1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stupidity, home of the greatest media mind ever 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: to walk the planet. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 2: I tell you what, man, He's a literal titan across 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: the entire media landscape. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 3: Okay, sure, here's a deal. He's a true icon in 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 3: every sense of the word. 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: He's loved and feared more than any being to Grace's planet. 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: There's got a bed with a voice that sounds like 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: very white and be got to say, hey, let do it, baby, 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: God himself would pay thirty nine ninety nine for a cameo. 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: Fact of the matter is, you are about to embark 12 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: on a transcendent experience that can only be described as 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: psychological nudity. 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: This is stu Goox, and this is Stupotoy. 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: Here we go jump. 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: Holy So, Billy and mikey A have left me to 17 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: my own devices year on Stupotoity, which I both love 18 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: and hate. And I am very excited for our guest 19 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: who is coming up, because the one thing I've been 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: consistent about over the twenty years of doing this show 21 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: with LeBatard is that Master's Week is my favorite week 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: on the sports calendar, and we are just days away 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: from Master's Week, beginning starts on Monday, and we are 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 2: just about a week away from the opening round at Augusta, 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: and I could not be more excited. So I want 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: to bring a guest on. His name is us Norton. 27 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: He is a former agent. He is now an author. 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 2: He has a new book out. It's called rain Maker, Superagent, 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 2: Use Norton and the Money Grab Explosion of Golf From 30 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: Tiger to Live and Beyond. I wanted to have him 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: on because this is tiger Woods original agent. This is 32 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: the guy who saw something at Tiger. He was his 33 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: original agent. He helped build what we now see with 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: Tiger Woods, the marketing, all of it. And he has 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: some great stories. And again he has a new book out, 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: rain Maker, Superagent, Use Norton and the Money Grab Explode 37 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: of Golf from Tiger to Live and Beyond. I wanted 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: to have yous on because a he sounds like money. 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: Be He also has a name. He sounds like that's 40 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 2: an author's name. It's a writer's name, and I should 41 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: know because I'm an author. I'm a writer stugottsbook dot 42 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: com for my personal record book. But he sounds like money. 43 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: He sounds like a guy who would write a book. 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: And I love golf. But even more than that, I 45 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: love a good money grib. So with all that said, 46 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: the original agent, who has fantastic stories about how he 47 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: was able to get Tiger Woods to sign a deal 48 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: with them and how Tiger let him go. U's Norton 49 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: is going to join us as we head into augustaweek 50 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: to talk to us about Tiger Woods and the explosion 51 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: we have seen recently here in golf. Superagent and author 52 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: Used Norton is with us. He has a new book 53 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: out called Raymaker, available wherever you buy your books. I 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: use I got to tell you something. We were talking 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: right before we started this interview. Uh, you look fantastic, 56 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: Like seriously, mikey A. If you didn't know me, you 57 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: don't know us. But if you didn't know me, and 58 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: I said, who's older me or U's Norton, who would 59 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: you go with? 60 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 3: Come on, man, don't make me say it to you. 61 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: Don't make me say that to you. 62 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: I want you to looks fantastic. 63 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: Well, clearly, clearly you two aren't playing enough golf, because 64 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: that's the secret. 65 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: I just played yesterday and I'll play again today when 66 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: we're done. So Rainmaker, I use rain Maker I'm very 67 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: intrigued by this book. I love golf, I love playing golf, 68 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: I love watching golf. I love your story. Why'd you 69 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: write the book? 70 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: Well, basically, so much time went by, guys, from the 71 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: time I was fired by IMG gosh twenty five years 72 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: ago and for the first ten years out I had 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: a a severance agreement which had a non comp attached 74 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: to it, including talking about or writing anything about my 75 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: years at IMG. And I was happy to take the money, 76 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: thank you very much. And then how much time went by. 77 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: I thought, that's kind of old news. And I did 78 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: a podcast a couple of years ago. You guys will 79 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: know this person and this show because it's probably the 80 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: number one golf podcast. It's called No Laying Up. Chris 81 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: Solomon's the host, great guy, and a friend in town 82 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: here in Cleveland said, you know, you really ought to 83 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: go on a podcast and being the dinosaur I am, 84 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: I said, what's that? I don't know what that is. 85 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: That's that's how you young guys consume all your content now, right, 86 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: So I said, okay, went on the podcast, talked about 87 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: my years at IMG and representing all these different star players, 88 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: and that was the end of it. Didn't think much 89 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 3: about twenty five people over the next month or so 90 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 3: would see me on the street or at the club 91 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: and say, I really loved your podcast, and I thought, wow, 92 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: I guess maybe somebody listened to it. And then out 93 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: of the blue, an email came from the guy who 94 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 3: ended up being my collaborator on the book, George Pepper. 95 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: And he and I had known each other for years 96 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: because he was the golf he was the editor of 97 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: Golf magazine, you know, the two mags, Golf and Golf Digest, 98 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: and we had a lot of dealings with each other, 99 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: and we're friends and I hadn't heard from them in 100 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: ten years. And George sends me an email saying, heard 101 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: your podcast really cool? Is it finally time for us 102 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: to write that book? Quote unquote? And I thought, you 103 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 3: know what I'm getting up there, probably my last chance. 104 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: Let's take a crack at this so long story short. 105 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: We got a great literary agent, my first agent. I 106 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: was on the other side of the table for a change, 107 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 3: and she made a wonderful deal with Simon and Schuster 108 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: for us, and we spent the next twenty months pretty 109 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: much regurgitating all my years at IMG and me trying 110 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: to remember as much of it as I could. And 111 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: George is the greatest collaborator I could have had. You'll 112 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: see when you start the book, it's an easy read. 113 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: It flows, it's great. 114 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: When did you know you wanted to be an agent? Us? 115 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: Complete serendipity. I was at grad school in Boston, about 116 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: to go into a business career, and. 117 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: You could say, Harvard, it's okay. You don't have to 118 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: say boss. Did You could say Harvard you get flex 119 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: a little. 120 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: Bit, all right, Harvard Business schlow, okay? And after I mean, 121 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: I don't think I could get into either institution these days. 122 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 3: It's tough. But and we had a class the second 123 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: year of the two year program called Starting New Ventures. 124 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: It was about entrepreneurs and their companies and how they 125 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 3: got started and the mistakes they made and the success 126 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: they had and so on and so forth, and lo 127 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 3: and behold. Mark McCormick, the guy who founded Sports Management, 128 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 3: came to class and commented on our discussion and on 129 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 3: his company. And I'm reading this case the night before 130 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: and I'm saying, Holy Matt, you know sports you can 131 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: you can have a career in sports business. Remember those 132 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: were the nascent days I mean this is McCormick had 133 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 3: started a few years earlier with Arnold Palmer, Gary Player 134 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: and Jack Nicholas, but there weren't any sports agents. You know, 135 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 3: if the pendulum has swung totally the other way, which 136 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: a lot of us probably feel it has with the 137 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: agents running the asylum, you know, back then it was 138 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 3: just getting started and I'm reading this and I'm going, 139 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: oh my god, you can go to work in sports. 140 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: So I talked to him after class. One thing led 141 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: to another. He interviewed me the next oh, three or 142 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: four months later, and lo and behold, I got a 143 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: job working first as his assistant executive assistant in Cleveland, 144 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: doing not golf, but projects across the whole breadth of 145 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: our company, International Manaster Group. And a couple of months 146 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: after that, one of our main guys working the tour, 147 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: you know, signing players and representing our clients left the 148 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: company and Mark said, hey, Hughes, you played golf in college. 149 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: I know you like golf. How'd you like to do that? 150 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: I was on my way. 151 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: Wow, I is there's so many great Like with a 152 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: press release that came out with the book, there are 153 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: some some open ended questions here, so I'm just going 154 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: to take them like one by one because these are 155 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: details that I would like to know about, okay, and 156 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: so I think the audience would be interested as well. 157 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: To again, his new book, Rainmaker is at wherever you 158 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: buy your books. You were stabbed in the back by 159 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: a Hall of famer who was it? Tell us the story. 160 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 3: Got to be careful here, ste how many? How much? 161 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: You want? To much stuff I give away? 162 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: I won't to ask you all of them, okay, but 163 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: I'm just imparting you right now. Hoodwage No, sure, Mickleson 164 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: is something I'm asking you about? Okay? 165 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? That was Mark O'Meara, who, interestingly enough, was my 166 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: clients for years at IMG. When he first signed with us, 167 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: he didn't Another agent recruited and signed him, but he 168 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: wasn't with me. And a couple of years later, Mark said, look, 169 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: if I'm going to stay at IMG, I want to 170 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: be with the top guy. He's Norton and my plate 171 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 3: was already too full, but I took him on because 172 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 3: he's a really good guy. And he said, he's a 173 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: guy that's respected by all the other players on tour. 174 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: Then Tiger turns pro and he needed somebody I thought, 175 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 3: you know, he's a twenty year old kid, had never 176 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: been away from home before, basically, and we had moved 177 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: him to Florida to save tax and we put him 178 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: in the same community where Markomer lived. So I said, Mark, look, 179 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: I'm thirty years older than this kid. I said, you 180 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 3: can relate to him much better age wise and also 181 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: tour wise. You know, he's finding his way on the tour, 182 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: and you can give him the ins and outs and 183 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 3: the dews and don'ts and really help him. I said, 184 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: you don't have to do this, I said, but you 185 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: live three doors down. I would really appreciate it if 186 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: you would sort of be his big brother. And Mark 187 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: was flattered, said I'd love to became really Tiger's best friend, 188 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: and lo and behold. Two years later, basically left me, 189 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: as he stated IMG. But he left said I didn't 190 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: want an agent that that's aggressive and kind of go 191 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: for the juggler. And I'm thinking to myself, you know, 192 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: it's kind of kind of what you pay me for. 193 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: But I said, okay, you can have somebody else in 194 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: the company represent you. And unfortunately, those feelings toward me 195 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 3: being Tiger's best friend came across the Tiger, and in 196 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: the end, Tiger ended up firing me too after after 197 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: two years. I can't blame it all on Mark. I 198 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: think a lot of it, guys, was I was really 199 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: so much older than Tiger and spend a lot of 200 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: my time relating to his dad, Earl when he first 201 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 3: started that maybe Tiger wanted somebody more his own age, whatever. 202 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: But there was a definite betrayal there that that you know, 203 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: sort of stuck in my crop. 204 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: If you had to do that over again, would you 205 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: do it differently? 206 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I would not because it played out so 207 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: perfectly for Tiger and helped the kid when he needed it. Sure, 208 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: Mark is entitled to his opinion. You know, everybody isn't 209 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 3: going to like the guy that they're working with. In 210 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: sports management, you change all the time. You know your agent, 211 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 3: you might you might find a better broadcasting agent both 212 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: you guys next time around, you know, And it's fine, 213 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 3: we all we understand that those things happened, but it 214 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 3: was it was kind of a rude awakening given the circumstances. 215 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 2: Tell us about the first time you met Tiger. 216 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 3: I had as a good sort of agent, does I'd 217 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: been looking ahead and recruiting and keeping track of all 218 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 3: the junior golf stuff. And I'd heard about this kid. 219 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 3: You know, he's three years old. He's on the Mike 220 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: Douglas Show, hitting a golf ball on stage, and he 221 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,719 Speaker 3: makes his first hole in moment. He's six years old, 222 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: and he breaks eighty when he's eight. And I thought, 223 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: you know, given the fact that there's tons of prospects 224 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 3: that never make it, you guys know that from all 225 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: sports there's can't misses and guess what they miss. But 226 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: I thought, this kid's really worth checking out. So I 227 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 3: was on a business trip to LA and I literally 228 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: looked in the phone booth. You know, we didn't have 229 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 3: anything else the phone book, We didn't have any other 230 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 3: way to find numbers, and I looked up Earl Woods 231 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 3: i'd heard about instead, got his number and called and said, listen, 232 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: I'm going to be in La. Can I come down 233 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: to Cypress, California where they lived, and just say hi? Sure? 234 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: So September of nineteen eighty nine, I'm in the car 235 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 3: with some other iems you guys, they dropped me off, 236 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 3: and as they did so in front of Earl and 237 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 3: Tiger's house, these other agents said Okay, are we going 238 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: to do miniature golf today with this twelve year old kid? 239 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 3: Here's what's the deal? Are you going to play legos 240 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: with him? I mean, we don't normally signed golf clients 241 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 3: till they're two years in college, right, And Tennis wasn't 242 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: that way. Tennis was chasing twelve and thirteen year olds 243 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 3: all the time. In fact, I note in the book 244 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 3: Carlos Alcarez the current number one. I think he's slipped 245 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 3: the number two now signed with an agent when he 246 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: was thirteen. That's the tennis world. But for us, it 247 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: was unheard of. And I just got needled all the 248 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: way out of the car, right until I got to 249 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: the Woods's front door. Said Hi. Met Earl and his 250 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 3: wife Tita, sat and talked about IMG a little. But 251 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, you know, this is the most 252 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: advanced recruiting trip I've ever done. This kid will not 253 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: probably turn pro for at least eight years. But got 254 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: to do your homework right. And Tiger came in kind 255 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: of toward the end of our our discussion. He was 256 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: five to five and about one hundred and ten pounds, 257 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: if you can imagine, and said, Hi, nice kid, took 258 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 3: me back in his room, showed me all the unlike 259 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: you know, the typical twelve or thirteen year old with 260 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: the penned ups maybe on the wall and favorite other sports. 261 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 3: He had Jack Nicholas and Arnold Palmer and Greg Norman. 262 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: And it's a great conversation because it lasted so such 263 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 3: a short time. But I said, Tiger, where you've won 264 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: all these junior tournaments, you went over one hundred tournaments. 265 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: Where are the trophies? He said, oh, my mom threw 266 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: those away. I'm thinking really and he said, yeah, I 267 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 3: didn't care. And right then it flashed through my mind, 268 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 3: this kid, what twelve year old wild throw all that? 269 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: Let us mom throw all the trophies. 270 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 2: He's different. 271 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't care. He was already on to the 272 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 3: next achievement, to the next level. And on his wall 273 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 3: he had a little check mark. The article about Nicholas 274 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 3: from Golf Digest that was on his wall had a 275 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: timeline of when Jack won the Junior US Sammeater and 276 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: when he won the US Amateur when he first turned pro, 277 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: and they were all there with little check marks, like 278 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: Tiger was already tracking where he wanted to be. So 279 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: it was crazy crazy first encounter. 280 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: Did you walk away from that encounter thinking to yourself, 281 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: this kid's going to change golf forever. 282 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: I won't go that far. Earl was already preaching it 283 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: in those days. You know, he's the chosen one. Earl 284 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: told me room that day, and this kid's going to 285 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: change the world. Then, you know, you filter all that out. 286 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 3: You hear different stuff from parents, but there was definitely 287 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: something different. I mean, the trophy thing stuck with me 288 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: for a long time, and that's crazy. Yes, oh yeah, 289 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 3: you know mom threw him away, No big deal. 290 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: Crazy for a year old, it's crazy. Yeah. What was 291 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: the most difficult part of being Tiger's agent? 292 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: Shielding him from the mailstream? You know this Gaale force 293 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: of celebrity guys that hit when he turned pro. I'm 294 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: old enough to remember when Elvis Presley came along in 295 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: the mid to late nineteen fifties and that was absolutely nuts. 296 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 3: But the Tiger tsunami when he turned pro was crazy. 297 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,119 Speaker 3: Every very win, you know, people lined up for autographs, 298 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 3: people wanting his time. The first six months after he 299 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: turned pro, we tracked it in the office. We had 300 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: one thy, five hundred and thirty two requests from media 301 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 3: for interviews like this, you know, newspapers, magazines, you name it. 302 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: And so we were quickly in the business of pissing 303 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 3: everyone off because we basically said no, which was our job. 304 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: You know, the kid has to play golf, he has 305 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: to have time to practice and so on and so forth. 306 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: But trying to act as a buffer in a way 307 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: that you know, it's a really tough line to straddle 308 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 3: because the media is very important to helping him advance 309 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: in his career and helping us do the job we 310 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: were hired to do. But at the same time, he's 311 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 3: he'd go out at six in the morning to play 312 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 3: practice rounds thinking I could beat the crowds. There were 313 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: dozens and dozens of people waiting for him in the dark. 314 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: I mean, this is absolutely crazy. 315 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: Used Norton is with us. His new book, Rainmaker is 316 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: available wherever you buy your books. From a financial standpoint, use, 317 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: can you explain to me to the audience what Tiger 318 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: did for the game of golf? 319 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: Wow? He did. He did a couple of things pretty quickly. 320 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: One of the first he did. Prior to Tiger, there 321 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: really wasn't much physical fitness involved with the sport of golf. 322 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: The tour had a small little trailer on site for 323 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: anybody that wanted to go in and get stretched, and 324 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: they had a few weights around and stuff. I mean, 325 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 3: within a year after he turned pro, Tiger had put 326 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: on twenty five pounds. I mean, he looked like an 327 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 3: NFL cornerback and the strength to him was a definite factor. 328 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 3: And other players started taking note on tour, and amateurs 329 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: started taking note, and this whole fitness for golf, which 330 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: was long overdue, I might add phenomenon, started developing. The 331 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 3: other thing he did initially, and sadly it's never played out, 332 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: is he gave hope to a lot of African American 333 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: kids or the African American community that this could be 334 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: a sport they play. Remember it was for decades, you 335 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: guys know, country club, lily white, affluent, top demographic sport. 336 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with that, but it should be broader. And 337 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 3: Tiger came along. And to give you some perspective, they 338 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 3: were probably two other black golfers. Charlie Sifford was a 339 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 3: famous one, but he was all by himself on tour 340 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 3: for years. And there was a guy named Jim Dent 341 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 3: who didn't achieve much success but had his PGA Tour card. 342 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: Now Tiger comes along and wow, and I said, sadly 343 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: didn't play out because this whole media sort of perception 344 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 3: of all of a sudden, we're going to have all 345 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 3: these black kids get a chance to play golf. Major problem. 346 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 3: You live in the inner city. You can go down 347 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 3: a block and there's a basketball hoop and you can 348 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: find a few guys to play with golf. You've got 349 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: to go twenty five thirty miles out of town. You 350 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 3: have to have access will the local country club let 351 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: these kids come on and learn how to play golf. 352 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: It's unbelievably expensive clubs, shoes, golf balls, golf bag. So 353 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: all of these factors were lined up against what we 354 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 3: thought might develop, and the PGA Tour, to its credit, 355 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 3: developed something called the First Team, which was an attempt 356 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: to okay, let's find half an acre in the city 357 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: where kids can at least swing and hit balls into 358 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: a net. And they've developed they've developed a lot of 359 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 3: those First te franchises, if you will, around the country. 360 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: But today, twenty five years later, there's one other guy 361 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: black player on the PGA Tour and his name is 362 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 3: Harold Varner and guess what. He just went to live 363 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 3: to the Saudi Tour. So Tiger sort of in semi 364 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 3: retirement because of his injuries. Today is the only African 365 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 3: American on the PGA Tour. And that's pathetic. 366 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, It really is, and it makes Tiger's 367 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: story even more remarkable from this standpoint. He did it 368 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 2: before there was a Tiger to open the door for him. 369 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: So he did. 370 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely crazy. What do you remember, We'll get 371 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 2: you out of here just a second. Here the day 372 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: he fired you, What do you remember about that use? 373 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: I had known how he dealt with people that he 374 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 3: eliminated from his life, going back to girlfriends, his first 375 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: swing coach, his sports psychologist, and his lawyer, the guy 376 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: I negotiated his representation agreement with, and it was probably 377 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 3: stemming from Earl. See you later done. And he called 378 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 3: me September of nineteen ninety eight. He said, I want 379 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: to make a change. I said, with the ink hardly 380 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: dry on his Nike and Titleist contracts guaranteeing him sixty 381 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: million dollars before he hit a golf balls, negotiated yeah, 382 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 3: which I was fortunate enough to be in position to do. 383 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 3: I said, wait, what And he said, yeah, we're done. 384 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 3: I said, Tiger, hold on, I said we got to 385 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: sit down and talk about this. He said, oh, it's done. 386 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 3: I said, Tiger, I'll be on the next plane to Orlando. 387 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 3: Don't come down here. I said, what are you talking about? Grudgingly, 388 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 3: he let me fly down there, sleepless night for me, 389 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 3: as you can imagine, fly down, he says, meet me 390 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 3: at the front door of Aylworth, which is the community 391 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: that we had put him in down the street from 392 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 3: Omera two years before. He said, okay, I'm thinking he 393 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: doesn't want to do it at his condo. We'll go 394 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 3: in and find a room inside the club. And he 395 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 3: just walked up. Eyes were zombie like, like he'd never 396 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: known me before. That's it. I told you were finished. 397 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 3: You shouldn't have come down here. It's a waste of time. 398 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: I said, Tiger, let's go sit down and talk about this. Nope, 399 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 3: it's over. Turned on his heel, walked away and has 400 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 3: never said a word to me or I have not 401 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: heard from him in twenty six years. We're going on 402 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 3: now at all? 403 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 2: Like have you seen them? 404 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 3: Bizarre? I mean unique? 405 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 2: I think, well, what do you imagine happened there, like, 406 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: what do you think happened? Do you have a theory? 407 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: Have you looked at it? 408 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: I think there are a number of factors. We talk 409 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 3: about this in the book. First, the omeara influence did 410 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: not certainly help. Mark had just gone away from me, 411 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: gotten another agent, an IMG, and had explained it to Tiger. 412 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: I'm sure, as you know, he's just too cutthroat. He's 413 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 3: too he's too I wanted somebody more professional. So Tiger 414 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 3: maybe thinking to himself, which he had no right to do, 415 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 3: he should be thinking, wait a minute, I don't care 416 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 3: if this guy's cutthroat. He just set me up in 417 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 3: my family with generational wealth. But he's too young maybe 418 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: to think that way. I think the other thing, guys, 419 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: is that he for the first time, being away from 420 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: his parents all the way across the country there in California. 421 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: He's in Florida, he was just starting to make his 422 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 3: own decisions for the first time, and I think he felt, 423 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk to mom and dad about this. 424 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 3: This is something I feel I want to do, you know, 425 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 3: and so still inexplicable, and as was the case when 426 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 3: I got fired a couple of months later, by Martin McCormick. 427 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: The guy had worked for thirty years. No explanation there either. 428 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: We talk about both in the book. So it was 429 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 3: a real tough time for me. And one of the 430 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: reasons I wrote the book really is it was very 431 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 3: cutthartic as I got some of this stuff out to 432 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: get it out, especially with it, especially with the negative 433 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 3: endings with Mark and Tiger. But it's good stuff. 434 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: It is. It seems it's fascinating stuff. Rainmaker. Look at 435 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: him holding it up right there with a big smile 436 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: on his face selling his book, Rainmaker, it's at. 437 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: Wherever shameless shameless promotion. 438 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: You're not shame. I just wrote a book. No one's 439 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: going to be more shameless about it than I am. 440 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: So don't worry about it. But us, I am wondering 441 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: if you were still Tiger's agent and Live Tour came around, 442 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 2: they offered whatever they offered Tiger, you would have you 443 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: would have advised him to do. 444 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 3: What I would advise him to stay put. Dude's there's nobody. 445 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: There's no question. You know when you're established, and Rory 446 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 3: McIlory the same way. First of all, you've solved the 447 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 3: money issue in Tiger's case it he's worth hundreds and 448 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of millions already. I don't care if 449 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 3: they put a B in front of the offer, which 450 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 3: they supposedly were willing to do, it's meaningless. And Tiger 451 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 3: and and guys like him in that age bracket, any 452 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: younger Rory's I would include in that they have. They 453 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: have legacy, they believe in winning the championships that have 454 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 3: been won by all the greats over the years. And 455 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 3: this Saudi thing is a total jump into left field 456 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: with none of that, no legacy, no history, kind of 457 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: a goofy format hasn't caught on not many fans. You know, 458 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 3: what does Tiger need that? For? Money? Is certainly not 459 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: one of his concerns. 460 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: Right. Check out the book rain Maker used. Norton is 461 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 2: the author of the book. Use I left some stuff 462 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: on the table, okay if I don't know if you 463 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: noticed it, But that's how we sell your book. Okay. 464 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 2: I didn't ask you about, you know, being hoodwinked by 465 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: Phil Mickelson. I didn't ask you about being stiff by 466 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: John Daly. I want those stories desperately. But I will 467 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 2: read the book. Okay, I will read the book. 468 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 3: Thanks guys. I want to see your book too. When 469 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 3: it comes out. We'll flip flip roles here. 470 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: Okay, stick Gott's personal record book. Yes, have me on 471 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: your podcast please, there's some platform. Okay, I appreciate it. 472 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 3: Thank you. I joyed it. Guys. 473 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: Good luck with the book man. Sounds great, sounds fascinating. 474 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: Thanks so much. 475 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: Thanks you