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Speaker 1: Native Lamb Pod is the production of iHeartRadio in partnership

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, well, come.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome home, you guys.

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Speaker 1: This is episode eighty seven of Native Lamb Pod. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe it is eighty seven already. We are here

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Speaker 1: to give you the breakdown of all things politics and

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Speaker 1: culture where we give it to you straight, no chaser.

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Speaker 1: If you like what you're hear on today's show, please

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Speaker 1: tell everybody so we can keep growing our lovely audience.

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Speaker 1: You who we try to include in all of our

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Speaker 1: all of our topics. All right, speaking of topics, what

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Speaker 1: we got today?

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Speaker 3: What y'all got?

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Speaker 4: What's up? What's up Angela? What you got for him?

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Speaker 5: Well, we have a guest I'm excited about Elizabeth A. Booker.

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Speaker 5: Now he's about to mess it up. Elizabeth Booker Houston.

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Speaker 5: Booker squared is what she goes by on Instagram and

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Speaker 5: on TikTok, and y'all have known her for her legendary

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Speaker 5: takedowns and breakdowns of all things politics. I'm thrilled to

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Speaker 5: be shared space with her today.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to hear from her. I don't know her

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Speaker 1: You and Angela, you and Elizabeth work together a lot closely,

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Speaker 1: so I'm excited to hear what she has to say.

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Speaker 3: I google stalked her a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I know her work, but I did google stock her

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Speaker 1: a little bit, So I'm excited to hear from her

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Speaker 1: and connect with her.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, what you got?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I want to talk about really an all

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Speaker 4: two silent crisis right now affecting so many people across

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Speaker 4: the country, and that's the affordability of housing. And really

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Speaker 4: this will be a preview to the topic because I

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Speaker 4: think we'll do a follow up, hopefully involving more of

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Speaker 4: our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, Okay, I have something on that. I have

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Speaker 1: a lot to say on that. Well, for me, what

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Speaker 1: I got is the viewers. I yield my time this

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Speaker 1: week because I wanted to hear from the viewers, which

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Speaker 1: I think is most important. And we want to remind

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Speaker 1: you guys, if you have a comment question, even when

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Speaker 1: you disagree with us, we welcome it. This is not

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Speaker 1: a conversation at you, but a conversation with you, So

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Speaker 1: please keep sending us your videos questions. We like to

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Speaker 1: see your lovely faces. And like I said, we welcome

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Speaker 1: disagreement here as well. All right, let's get into it.

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Speaker 6: What's up Native landis is Craig and Brooklyn. I just

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Speaker 6: wanted to say happy summer, and I wanted to chime

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Speaker 6: in on your discussion about books. I'm so glad you

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Speaker 6: talk about books. Someone told me once that the way

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Speaker 6: that I make meaning is through words. Many of us

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Speaker 6: love words, whether we are hearing them or reading them,

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Speaker 6: or you know, our grandmothers are speaking to us.

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Speaker 7: So I mean just the importance of the word.

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Speaker 6: So with that being said, I want to recommend the

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Speaker 6: book by Clint Smith called How the Word Is Passed.

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Speaker 6: Brilliant book. His brother takes a tour through all of

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Speaker 6: the plantation sites in the American South, increased this beautiful

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Speaker 6: narrative about how those sites contribute to our history today.

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Speaker 6: And the funny thing is I read that book right

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Speaker 6: after I read sixteen nineteen. The two together was a

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Speaker 5: So I would recommend that as well.

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Speaker 6: Welcome home, y'all, Angela Fifth Andrew love you guys as always.

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Speaker 1: I love that sounds of the city, you know, And

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Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you, guys, I felt bad because

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Speaker 1: I was telling y'all, I don't think that listening to

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Speaker 1: books is really reading, and Andrew You're like, yeah, if

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Speaker 1: you're not an auditory learner. And then I felt bad

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Speaker 1: your kids might be, you know, auditory learners, like just

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Speaker 1: because I read and process things a different way. So

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Speaker 1: it was it just changed my perspective. But I do

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Speaker 1: appreciate this caller. First of all, Craig was kind of cute.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Craig.

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Speaker 4: Craig, I heard my friend visits New York every now

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Speaker 5: I knew that he was gonna because he had his

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Speaker 5: for the bait. Tiff said, what's what your phone number is, Craig,

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Speaker 5: and what's the last name, because we're gonna vet you.

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Speaker 5: Tiff might not vet you, but we're gonna We're gonna

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Speaker 5: We're not gonna google stock, but we're definitely gonna do

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Speaker 3: Antel Is craggs now girlfriend about to be.

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Speaker 8: My name is like, I just want you to know

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Speaker 8: native welcome, you not welcome to my home.

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Speaker 1: Okay, or these natively listeners, these ladies might see Craig

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Speaker 1: Crags dms might might be lit up. But thank you

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Speaker 1: black man for walking down the street looking beautiful.

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Speaker 5: To send another question next week.

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Speaker 3: This time he's gonna be topless running.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wanted to say, anyway, thank you Craigs

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Speaker 4: In speaking of guys, the.

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Speaker 3: Clint Smith, we should have them on. Sorry, and should

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Speaker 4: What you said of how many guys ask question she's

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Speaker 4: Like we get a good balance between really adversity of

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Speaker 4: So that's cool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, should you have one white person is sending questions

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Speaker 4: No, we've had no, we had two, one from Washington State.

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Speaker 4: We got the brother in Georgia. Uh, white white guy

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Speaker 5: South Carolina. Yeah, okay, true, true, definitely rob so.

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Speaker 4: True true true. Okay, another question now period in the statement.

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Speaker 5: Well everybody white friend, we have boyfriends.

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Speaker 4: We got you know.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll continue to send in your questions and comments.

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Speaker 1: And I just finished dream Count by the way, by

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Speaker 1: Tim and Monday id e t I pronounce her name,

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Speaker 1: But I'm going on next to a side of Shaqueur

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Speaker 1: and angela ry recommendation that is next on my list,

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Speaker 1: So thank you for that.

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Speaker 5: All right? If you never read the autobiography of aid

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Speaker 5: No when you when you said it on the O,

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Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, I haven't read that.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to read that next love. I already know.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna come back next week with an Afro Andrew.

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Speaker 1: You don't know if it's a good idea for me

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Speaker 1: to read it as militant as I feel these days,

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Speaker 1: but I'm glad to I'm gonna read it.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna want to go, You're gonna want to go

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Speaker 5: find her in Cuba, and you definitely gonna want to

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Speaker 5: get her off. The FBI's most one of this. Now

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Speaker 5: good luck in this environment, but you're gonna.

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Speaker 4: Hey, it might be a friend of your environment than

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Speaker 5: Nah, not for her, not for her, not for sis this.

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Speaker 5: These people are they trying to put us on there?

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, but you know we're present day threats.

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Speaker 1: Well, before we get to the present day threats, of

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Speaker 1: which there are many, we have another viewer question.

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Speaker 3: Let's roll at.

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Speaker 9: Native's Land podcast. Let me make sure I get the

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Speaker 9: name right so Angela does not chew me up again.

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Speaker 9: And also number two, she chewed me up last time

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Speaker 9: because I have a baby in the background, you know,

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Speaker 9: running around in the van while I needed to get

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Speaker 9: this video out. But my name is Tiana, and I'm

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Speaker 9: from Pittsburgh, and I love that Tiffany and Andrew mentions

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Speaker 9: Game of Thrones. I'm a huge Game of Thrones fan

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Speaker 9: and that makes me wonder too sometimes while I'm watching it.

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Speaker 9: It's the current administration under Queen Circe or King Jeoffrey.

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Speaker 9: I know for sure though they're Lanisters. Those are Lanisters

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Speaker 9: in the office.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 5: I just want to know.

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Speaker 9: Your thoughts on it.

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Speaker 3: Lighting it up a little bit, peace and have a wonderful.

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Speaker 5: Day, y'all.

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Speaker 9: I love.

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Speaker 5: Did I really yell at her about having.

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Speaker 4: Her in the driver seat? It looked like, you know,

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Speaker 4: but can I can?

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Speaker 1: I just say, I want to make this very clear,

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Speaker 1: none of us are ever like chewing anybody out for

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Speaker 1: real real, It's all love. It's like when you go

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Speaker 3: Feel okay, all right, I'm still mad.

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Speaker 5: At the guy from saying Angela miss crossed. Do you

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Speaker 5: know people were doing that to me?

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Speaker 1: At essence, I just thought, I really did think he

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Speaker 8: With people thought it was funny, and they sided with me.

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Speaker 5: They were like, hey, where's miss crossing? They thought it

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Speaker 4: I took it as he felt close enough to you.

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Speaker 4: Uh to use your first name. What people use your

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Speaker 5: I had a saying that either we are on the

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Speaker 5: how I feel about it. I'm never chewing out. I'm

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Speaker 5: never chewing anybody out about kids. I'm saying this part

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Speaker 5: because I don't know nothing about Game of Thrones, so

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Speaker 5: let me take my moment on this. I'm never chowing

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Speaker 5: anybody else about your children. We welcome the kids. You

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Speaker 5: Andrew does not love the cats, but he loves you know.

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Speaker 5: If you don't know what that's about, go back some episodes.

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Speaker 1: Go back and watch the awkward moment episode, especially for.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't watch this is not one for the kids.

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Speaker 1: Do we remember the name of that episode. I don't

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Speaker 3: Oh it was Community Peen. I know that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, tis only only fans.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Angela said that on the show. She said, I

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Speaker 1: know we were about to hear some to be porn. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: y'all can go back and find that episode.

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Speaker 3: AnyWho.

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Speaker 1: Okay, because angel doesn't watch Game of Thrones, I we

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Speaker 1: will make this brief. I so I disagree Tiana with

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Speaker 1: the choices that she gave. I think they are not

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Speaker 1: Lantis because you know, you remember that each show you thought,

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Speaker 1: man like, these are the worst.

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Speaker 4: People were always the worst.

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Speaker 1: Though, well, hear me out. Thirsey Lanister was awful. She

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Speaker 1: birth king Jeoffrey. Jeoffrey Lanister was awful, and you just thought,

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Speaker 1: you know, how could I hate these people more? And

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Speaker 1: then we met Ramsey Bolton. So I'm gonna say the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration is Ramsey Bolton on steroids. They were methodical,

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Speaker 1: and how they broke down theon gray Joy and I

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Speaker 1: Trump administration due to our society right now, Like they

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Speaker 1: like the Trump administration is doing to our society. I

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Speaker 4: Bad, right, And by the way, should leaders look for

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Speaker 4: With them thrones.

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Speaker 1: Them thrones was the best thing that ever happened to

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Speaker 1: Jakaris setting fire to this discussion. Audience, do you all

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna clown you so hard.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, this show is like ten years old now,

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Speaker 3: You will not reguise.

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Speaker 5: But here's the thing. If you could tell me which

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 4: It was that you took this g O t this

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Speaker 3: Well, there are so many parallels in the series.

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Speaker 4: But we're moving on.

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Speaker 1: When when, if, and when Angela beingjwack is we can

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Speaker 5: Hear the thoughts from you. Okay, okay, just feel like

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Speaker 4: Okay, well let's get domestic and if I.

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Speaker 5: Okay, everybody. We'll be right back after we pay some bills.

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Speaker 4: And I know that we're gonna try to revisit this.

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Speaker 1: thousand and seven, and ten years later I found myself

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Speaker 1: underwater in my mortgage. I was living far out, and

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Speaker 1: so I used to live far out. I was in

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Speaker 1: like way out Silver Spring, not downtown Silver Spring, but

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Speaker 1: way out Silver Spring. But I remember when you had

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Speaker 1: your house out that like townhouse. I remember head to

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Speaker 1: get thirtieth birthday party there. And but my point is

446
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Speaker 1: none of us were living in the city, you know,

447
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Speaker 1: the the hot area, and I just hated being out there.

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Speaker 1: My whole life was in the city, and I had

449
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Speaker 1: this incredibly tortuous commute. I was spending three hours each day,

450
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Speaker 1: an hour and a half in traffic going back and forth.

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Speaker 1: And one day I blew up my entire life and

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Speaker 1: I just came home and said, I don't live here anymore.

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Speaker 1: And I called my realtor and explained to her, and

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Speaker 1: she said, well, someone's feelings is going to get hurt

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Speaker 1: in this.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be yours or it's going to be

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Speaker 3: the banks.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I said, the bank so fast,

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Speaker 1: I don't give it, Damn the bank. I'm standing out

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Speaker 1: here miserable for these three little numbers, and now ten

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Speaker 1: years have coming gone, and I think about what people

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Speaker 1: have gone through, what the housing crisis did to black

463
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Speaker 1: wealth in this country, and we never really corrected for it.

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Speaker 1: And this was on top of decades of redlining and

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Speaker 1: housing policy that just you know, decimated our chance at

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Speaker 1: this American dream. So I'm not an expert here. I

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Speaker 1: really hoped of viewers take you up on that, Andrew,

468
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Speaker 1: and send in your stories, because our friend Latasha Angela

469
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Speaker 1: went through similar things looking for a house in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: People here in New York are offering, you know, two

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand over the asking price just to be able

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Speaker 1: to afford a place. I didn't even know what was

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Speaker 1: going on in Seattle. So this seems to be something

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Speaker 1: that's happened that's affect impacting all regions of the country.

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Speaker 1: So I'll have more questions for you guys about it

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Speaker 1: than I do answers. But I wanted to get a

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Speaker 1: little testimony just so y'all can be encouraged. Don't be

478
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Speaker 1: embarrassed by your problems, because I'm telling y'all, I did

479
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Speaker 1: a short sale on my home and walked away from

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Speaker 1: it in service to my peace, and I haven't regretted

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Speaker 1: since at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I I you know, it's funny tip because you

483
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Speaker 5: brought up my thirtieth birthday party. I lived in Boui Bouie, Maryland,

484
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Speaker 5: and was so excited to buy my first house and

485
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Speaker 5: I wanted to do it also by the time I

486
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Speaker 5: was thirty, So how I celebrated my birthday was with

487
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Speaker 5: that house. And what is so crazy is, you know,

488
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Speaker 5: people talk often about financial literacy being something that we

489
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Speaker 5: really need, but one of the things we learned on

490
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Speaker 5: the tour is that even when you're financially literate and

491
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Speaker 5: you do have all the tools, if you still don't

492
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Speaker 5: have the resources, your literacy means nothing because you don't

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Speaker 5: have the capability or the capacity to do the things

494
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Speaker 5: that you need to do. I, however, was both financially

495
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Speaker 5: ignorant and didn't have all the capacity because I was

496
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Speaker 5: working on the hill. I had a lot of tools

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Speaker 5: that a lot of folks didn't have, Like you know,

498
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Speaker 5: the Congressional Federal credit Union.

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Speaker 3: I had.

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Speaker 5: Ways that I could borrow against my retirement, which is

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Speaker 5: part of the reason why what happened with Maryland was

502
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Speaker 5: so inflammatory to me. But I did those things and

503
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Speaker 5: then still now found myself kind of house poor because

504
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Speaker 5: I wasn't making enough money to pay for the mortgage,

505
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Speaker 5: didn't realize all the HOA fees. There was some other

506
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Speaker 5: like random ass water feed five thousand dollars that they

507
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Speaker 5: would pop up every now and then, and I got

508
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Speaker 5: to the point where I was also really frustrated living

509
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Speaker 5: in the house. I got a loan modification because on

510
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Speaker 5: the hill you get exposed to these things because banks

511
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Speaker 5: wanted to release you know, members and their staff and like,

512
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Speaker 5: even though it was supposed to be further constituents. I

513
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Speaker 5: was like, let me tell you something real quick, I

514
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Speaker 5: actually need one of these too, And so I got

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Speaker 5: my loan modified, and I felt myself really resenting my

516
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Speaker 5: realtor and the person who structured my bank loan, because

517
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Speaker 5: there were a lot of things they did that weren't helpful.

518
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Speaker 5: The realtor and the lender were married, and so they

519
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Speaker 5: did what was necessary, yeah, to help each other, but

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Speaker 5: not necessarily to help me. So again this is where

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Speaker 5: literacy meets lack of resource. I'm trusting who's right there

522
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Speaker 5: because I'm like, well, I just know I need to

523
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Speaker 5: hurry up and close on this house. Saying all that

524
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Speaker 5: to say, I wish that somebody would have told me

525
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Speaker 5: that the only way that there's more than one way

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Speaker 5: to reach the American dream. And some of that is

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Speaker 5: by eliminating debt, not creating new debt. Some of that

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Speaker 5: might be investing in different things in your furro one

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Speaker 5: k and putting more money in there. Like what I've

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Speaker 5: learned over the last couple of years. You know, my

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Speaker 5: furro one k has almost tripled its value having the

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Speaker 5: right broker, the right financial advisor. So there are all

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Speaker 5: these things that I've learned from trial and error. All

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Speaker 5: I would ask, just like Tiff just did, is please

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Speaker 5: learn from the words of my testimony, so you do

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Speaker 5: not dare repeat these things at home. And if you

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Speaker 5: find yourself I'm in a situation where desperation has come in,

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00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 5: or where your hard hit, or where you don't know

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Speaker 5: how you're gonna make ends meet, please don't be afraid

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Speaker 5: to speak up, because you will be astonished by the

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Speaker 5: number of people who are in the exact same situation

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Speaker 5: and trying to figure out how to pay rent or

543
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Speaker 5: how to try to figure out how to pay the

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Speaker 5: mortgage and that h o a fee, trying to figure

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Speaker 5: out what we'll suffer trying to pay tax that on

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Speaker 5: top of that, you got to lean on your house.

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Speaker 5: I had that too, right, So there are all of

548
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 5: these things that come up and we don't know how

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Speaker 5: to get out of it because we haven't learned the

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Speaker 5: different tools to use to apply them in the process.

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Speaker 5: That's it, rent is too damn high and then fix it.

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Speaker 4: Across the country and.

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Speaker 1: A protections and it's interesting guests coming up. Has also

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Speaker 1: dealt with housing uh insecurity and actually impacted her health

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Speaker 1: living in substandard housing when she was growing up to

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Speaker 1: get asthma.

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Speaker 3: And yes I did learn this by Google stalking her.

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Speaker 5: Call it stocking.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, guys, because on the other side of

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Speaker 1: this break, we're going to bring in an amazing guest,

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Booker Houston.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to miss this, y'all.

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Speaker 7: Think my husband will buy me when they get Brother

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Speaker 7: of the thirteenth.

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Speaker 5: Of Okay, everybody, we are thrilled to be joined by

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Speaker 5: the good sister Elizabeth Booker Houston. She is a stand

567
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Speaker 5: up comedian. She is an attorney. She is a mama,

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Speaker 5: she is a wife. She is Trump's arc enemy, and

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Speaker 5: she also works for her man steal in the administration.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how she keeps her day job, but

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Speaker 5: she keeps her day job. I'm gonna remind him every day.

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Speaker 5: She's the biggest forget bone thugs in harmony. We got

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Speaker 5: Elizabeth Booker Houston thugs in harmony, and she is making

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Speaker 5: it happen every single day on social telling us what

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Speaker 5: it is, debunking misinformation, and she does it with the smile,

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Speaker 5: with brilliant and with zest. Y'all can't even stand this. Elizabeth,

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Speaker 5: thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 7: Well, thanks y'all, thank you for having me. It's nice

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Speaker 7: to see you again. Andrew and Angela and Tiffany. We

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Speaker 7: did not get to meet last time, but I know

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Speaker 7: I'm excited to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: She missed a flight.

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Speaker 5: She was Tiffany, remember Andrew, she was Tiffany.

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Speaker 4: And Jael got canceled. I know I was saying Tiffany

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Speaker 4: got canceled, so I hate that I haven't.

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Speaker 1: But I will tell you I am familiar with your work, Elizabeth,

587
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Speaker 1: and I.

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Speaker 3: Love what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: I say this on the show Alis, so angel has

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Speaker 1: heard this before. But I just I have a level

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Speaker 1: set respect for people who went to law school because

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Speaker 1: I think everyone I know anyway who went to law

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Speaker 1: school has a different way of thinking.

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Speaker 3: It seems to be more linear.

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Speaker 1: It's also more concise, like you know, bullet pointed for me,

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Speaker 1: and I always tell young people like, yeah, go to

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Speaker 1: law school because you don't have to be a trial attorney.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to you know, practice law at a firm.

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Speaker 1: There are so many careers. You can be a policy

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Speaker 1: person and you can also be a stand up comedian.

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Speaker 1: But I will say the whole right now, the whole

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Speaker 1: idea and concept of being in law school in America

603
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Speaker 1: to learn a constitution that we are understanding is pretty

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Speaker 1: much meaningless going forward.

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Speaker 3: Has I think put some question marks on a lot

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Speaker 3: of us.

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Speaker 1: So you and Angela both went to law school. I'm

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Speaker 1: just I don't even know if I have a question.

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Speaker 1: I'm just not what that even means these things.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to tell you. It's a struggle because I'm

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Speaker 7: also a law professor, so having to teach my students,

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Speaker 7: you know, I just I told my two l's and

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Speaker 7: three l's this past semester. I was just like, I'm

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Speaker 7: so sorry the y'all are still in these unprecedented times,

615
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Speaker 7: because it just seemed like every week whatever I had

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Speaker 7: to teach them did not apply. There's this Supreme Court

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Speaker 7: case called Chevron, because I focus on administrative law and

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Speaker 7: food and drug law. Like you said, there's a lot

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Speaker 7: of different ways to be a lawyer. I don't practice.

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Speaker 7: I did a hot minute in court and I did well,

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Speaker 7: but I was crying all the time. So I was like,

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Speaker 7: this is not for me. So I came to DC

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Speaker 7: as a regulatory council in the FDA as a fellow

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Speaker 7: under that man in the White House back in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 7: and I teach a lot of administrative law and Chevron

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Speaker 7: was like the big case for forty years. Yeah, and

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Speaker 7: it got overturned last summer. So I didn't know what

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Speaker 7: to do with my whole first two lessons for the

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Speaker 7: semester because I'm like, I don't know what I have

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Speaker 7: for y'all. So it's just been really very much trying

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Speaker 7: to keep up with what's going on and flying by

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Speaker 7: the seat of my pants. A lot of times.

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Speaker 1: Well, because you brought up the Chevron case, can you

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Speaker 1: just give us a quick breakdown of that. This was

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Speaker 1: a huge blow to environmentalists. I remember our friend Van Newkirk,

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Speaker 1: a writer with The Atlantic, was covering this case. I

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Speaker 1: could attempt to give a breakdown, but you'd probably do

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Speaker 1: it a lot better.

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Speaker 7: I can try, so. Chevron deference basically said that administrative

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Speaker 7: agencies that's the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, all of

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Speaker 7: these federal agencies that are under the executive branch, but

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Speaker 7: they're given their authority from Congress.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: They said that if they are interpreting an ambiguous statue,

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Speaker 7: so the Food and Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, that's

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Speaker 7: what gives the FDA its power. That's the statue that

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Speaker 7: created the FDA. That's the authority that the FDA works under.

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Speaker 7: If there is something ambiguous in there that has to

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Speaker 7: do with, say, regulating tobacco, because that's one of the

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Speaker 7: things that FDA has regulatory power over. They have said

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Speaker 7: that Chevron difference means that the agency's interpretation gets difference,

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Speaker 7: meaning that the court's got to listen to them. And

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Speaker 7: it made good sense because the whole reason these agencies

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Speaker 7: exist is these are the experts, the scientists, the doctors,

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Speaker 7: all the people that Congress is definitely not and so

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Speaker 7: that's the whole reason these agencies exist because you know,

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Speaker 7: Congress can't pass or the least they shouldn't be passing

658
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Speaker 7: laws and regulations about things they don't understand. Well, the

659
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Speaker 7: Supreme Court overturned that, and it was a big slash

660
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Speaker 7: to agency authority. And that was just step one of everything,

661
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Speaker 7: because now we see that this administration is completely completely

662
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Speaker 7: dismantling all of the federal agencies, but the layoffs, the

663
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Speaker 7: mass terminations, all of that. So they're trying to get

664
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Speaker 7: these experts out of So when you talk about environmental

665
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 7: activists being very concerned, this was a big blow, say

666
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Speaker 7: to the EPA, for example, because it didn't give them

667
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Speaker 7: the dame.

668
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Speaker 1: Upheld the Reagan era if he had the Reagan era

669
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Speaker 1: have the eighties that conservatives celebrated, and it upheld the

670
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Speaker 1: Reagan era interpretation of the Clean Air Act. And as

671
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Speaker 1: you probably will explain, communities of color, Black communities in

672
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Speaker 1: particular are disproportionately adversely impacted by that.

673
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Speaker 7: Yes, we are seeing that with my hometown. I've made

674
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Speaker 7: some videos about it and talked about it. But with

675
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Speaker 7: XAI down in Memphis, Tennessee, where we are seeing violations

676
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Speaker 7: of what would have been I guess at that point

677
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Speaker 7: you would have called it maybe Biden era Clean Air Act,

678
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Speaker 7: because there were regulations passed under his administration. It would

679
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Speaker 7: violate that. And they purposely put this Elon Musk supercomputer

680
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Speaker 7: monstrosity in the middle of the poorest, blackest neighborhood in Memphis, Tennessee,

681
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Speaker 7: and they are violating how we would interpret the Clean

682
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Speaker 7: Air Act under the Biden Harris administration. But as you said,

683
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Speaker 7: we're going back to Reagan era interpretations, and so it's

684
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 7: a little bit squishy as to whether they will succeed

685
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 7: in court and fighting against this big, huge machine that

686
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Speaker 7: is polluting the air, in the water in the area.

687
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Speaker 5: Can you talk a little bit about that too, Elizabeth.

688
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Speaker 5: I think it's been fascinating just to see I don't

689
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Speaker 5: have as many ties to Memphis as you do, but

690
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Speaker 5: it's certainly become a place that has touched my heart,

691
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 5: has become near and dear to me. There's a group

692
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Speaker 5: of activists there called the Squad. Shout out to Tammy Keidrin,

693
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Speaker 5: Earle Andre and others who have always had the conscience

694
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Speaker 5: of the community at heart, and it's been as amazing

695
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Speaker 5: to me. We finally got this white Dixiecraft mayor out.

696
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 5: There's a black mayor who has sided with Elon Musk

697
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Speaker 5: on this supercomputer on XAI, despite the fact that it

698
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 5: is very clear that there the emissions being let out

699
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 5: from this this entity are causing great harm to the

700
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Speaker 5: surrounding communities. How is he justifying that and how should

701
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Speaker 5: the community hold him accountable and responsible for that? And

702
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 5: what's the point if we got black elected divisions, if

703
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 5: they're not gonna do right by black people, don't even

704
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 5: get me.

705
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Speaker 7: Start out, Mayorpleso, that's it.

706
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Speaker 5: Start start, start, start, how he start?

707
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Speaker 7: That's the one. Mayor Paul Young, Lord Jesus, you know,

708
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Speaker 7: I don't like him. I don't like him. I don't

709
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Speaker 7: think he actually cares about those black communities. I don't

710
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 7: really think he cares that much about Memphis. I think

711
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 7: he cares about power. I think he cares about having attention.

712
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 7: I think he likes having the position of mayor. But

713
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Speaker 7: if he actually cared about these communities, he would definitely

714
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Speaker 7: not be signing with Elon Musk. I think he's trying

715
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Speaker 7: to justify it because of the whole economic advantages to

716
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Speaker 7: the city, which, mind you, this supercomputer only takes about

717
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 7: thirty people working in that facility to make it go.

718
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Speaker 7: They are not creating jobs. Because people want to make

719
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Speaker 7: comparisons to FedEx, because yes, we have FedEx and Memphis. Yes,

720
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Speaker 7: FedEx has pollution, you know, at similar levels. FedEx also

721
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Speaker 7: employs most of the city. FedEx is also providing services.

722
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Speaker 7: It's not perfect. We want to address the environmental impact

723
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Speaker 7: issues of Vetex. But just because there's this one company

724
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 7: there which is employing a lot of people in the

725
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Speaker 7: city and they have some environmental issues to work on,

726
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Speaker 7: doesn't mean we should just give away our city to

727
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Speaker 7: other big factories. So he's basically trying to say, oh,

728
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Speaker 7: if they build XAI here, then they're going to build

729
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Speaker 7: a whole bunch of other industries here Memphis, which, by

730
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Speaker 7: the way, we don't want that. I grew up in

731
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Speaker 7: South Memphis. That's where I was originally from when I

732
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Speaker 7: was born, and I have a ton of health issues

733
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Speaker 7: to this day because of growing up in that part

734
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Speaker 7: of the city. I actually got to meet Mayor Brandon

735
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Speaker 7: Scott at essence best Mayor of Baltimore, and I looked

736
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Speaker 7: at him and I said, can you can you go talk?

737
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Speaker 5: Uh?

738
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Speaker 7: Oh, y'all, can you go maybe to Memphis and maybe

739
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Speaker 7: talk to him about how to be a mayor of

740
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 7: a black city because he's missing the mark. So I

741
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 7: don't know, maybe I was petty, but.

742
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Speaker 4: No, we talked, you know, we talked earlier about I'm

743
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: actually really glad that we're spending a little bit of

744
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 4: time on some of these issues that show up for

745
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: people every day in there, and they're local communities. As

746
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 4: a former mayor myself, you know, even when I visit places,

747
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 4: I'm looking at medians and how they're maintained. I'm looking,

748
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 4: you know, paying attention to the roads and how they're

749
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Speaker 4: being treated, and obviously the things like water and water quality.

750
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Speaker 4: But housing topic we address a little bit earlier in

751
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: the show is probably one of the greatest undersung, under

752
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: voiced issues confronting Americans. The majority, I've got to say,

753
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: the majority of us. If you're not in a rural

754
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: place that may be experiencing some depopulation issues, maybe you're

755
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: in you know, just a regular city town in anywhere

756
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 4: America where even there, if you're an aging person you're

757
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 4: not able to find independent living that is at your

758
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 4: price point, and you certainly aren't able to get into

759
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: assistant living facilities without the help of your Medicare and

760
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 4: probably other supplemental insurance to be able to afford that right.

761
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Speaker 4: If you are young person who believes that the American

762
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Speaker 4: dream is one day being able to own a home,

763
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Speaker 4: if you are like the three of us hosts before

764
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Speaker 4: the age of thirty, you know that dream is extinguished

765
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Speaker 4: for many people. I'm curious, just based off your policy experience,

766
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Speaker 4: obviously your care and love for the city that you're from,

767
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Speaker 4: but for cities, for localities, how did we get to frankly,

768
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: World War two, post World War two levels of housing unaffordability,

769
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Speaker 4: and of course the World War two crisis driven by

770
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Speaker 4: the fact that we had soldiers returning who you know,

771
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: had unpresident in numbers who just didn't have housing. How

772
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Speaker 4: do we go from that to here today? No real

773
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Speaker 4: explainable reason. How it is that housing is so unaccessible

774
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Speaker 4: for people.

775
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Speaker 7: Well, instead of looking at it as a human right,

776
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 7: we treated it as a commodity. I mean, that's what

777
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 7: it comes down to, is about making money. And you're

778
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 7: talking to the right person because when I said I

779
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 7: spent a hot minute in court, I took some lords

780
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Speaker 7: to court. That's actually what I used to do. I

781
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 7: worked in the Medical Legal Partnership Clinic in Labonnar Children's Hospital, Memphis, Tennessee.

782
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 7: And how that worked is the doctors, the nurses, everybody

783
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 7: would be treating these children coming in with issues after

784
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 7: issue after issue, but we would find that they're not

785
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 7: going to get healthier. They're taking the medicine as they should,

786
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 7: they're going to the doctors they should, but there's a

787
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 7: legal need and underlying legal need that the doctors cannot handle.

788
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 7: And so that's when we would come in and provide

789
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Speaker 7: promono legal services. And oftentimes that was me taking slum

790
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 7: lords to court so they could get out of these

791
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 7: leases and get into some safe, you know, actual good housing,

792
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 7: or to force the slumblards to clean up the vice

793
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 7: because it was just keeping these kids sick, and we

794
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 7: just we treat housing as another product rather than understanding

795
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 7: that it is the place that's supposed to be where

796
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 7: children and families and individuals are safe, where they could

797
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 7: be healthy, or they could be sheltered from the weather,

798
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 7: where they can make sure they have somewhere to go

799
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 7: lay their heads at night and not worry about, you know,

800
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 7: the elements outside or elements coming inside. And that shift

801
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 7: in thinking about property, I mean, we see it all

802
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 7: the time. There's Netflix shows about real estate moguls, you know,

803
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 7: and about how many millions of dollars they can get

804
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 7: in all their commissions for selling houses. That's how we've

805
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 7: looked at this. We're looking at it as if this

806
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 7: is a want and not a need for every single individual.

807
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Speaker 7: And that shift in thinking, this idea that not everybody

808
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 7: deserves a home, but a home is something you're supposed to,

809
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 7: I don't know, basically kill yourself trying to get that,

810
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 7: I think has been the biggest attack. I'm making sure

811
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Speaker 7: that people have affordable housing. And y'all were all talking

812
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 7: about buying your first home. And I remember I was

813
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 7: not under thirty, but I was thirty one when I

814
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Speaker 7: bought my first home, and my husband was a stay

815
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 7: at home dad at the time, so even though I

816
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 7: was married, I bought the home completely in my name,

817
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 7: so the mortgage was just in my name, even as

818
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Speaker 7: a married woman. And that was such a big deal

819
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Speaker 7: because my dad didn't buy his first house until he

820
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Speaker 7: was almost in his fifties, and so he was really

821
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 7: proud that I was able to do that, but there

822
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 7: were so many barriers to get there. I was going

823
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Speaker 7: through a first time home buyer's program, and it became

824
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 7: apparent to me after the fact that they were being

825
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 7: very discriminatory against me when I was buying the song,

826
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Speaker 7: because days before closing, they told me, oh, we can't

827
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Speaker 7: move forward unless you have an entire year's mortgage payments

828
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 7: and arrears after the down payment, after the closing, cause

829
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 7: you need to have twelve months of your mortgage payment.

830
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Speaker 7: And I happened to be a little savior at the time,

831
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 7: and I was very fortunate to be able to save

832
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Speaker 7: the money, and I said, okay, no problem, and the

833
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 7: way the finance person on the phone went oh oh oh.

834
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, I can send you bank sayments. Sure,

835
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 7: I have another account with that money in there, and

836
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 7: it was like they were shocked. So there's the discriminatory

837
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 7: aspect to it too. So when we talked about the

838
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 7: housing situation, we're talking about redlining, we're talking about discriminatory practices.

839
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 7: I remember looking at the application for my financing and

840
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 7: they marked the races black and it said, how did

841
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 7: you find this information? And it says social media? Because

842
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 7: I had never seen these people in person. I had

843
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 7: only talked on the phone and gone over email. I

844
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 7: thought that was crazy because this was still in that

845
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 7: kind of COVID times. I had a little baby, like,

846
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 7: you know, so I wasn't out there meeting up with

847
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 7: people in person or anything. It was just on the

848
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 7: phone and over email. And they treated me very funny,

849
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 7: especially being a black woman who is married to and

850
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 7: I'm married to a white man, but a black woman

851
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 7: who was buying the house completely in her name. It

852
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 7: was like it bothered them for some reason.

853
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 4: Bet. Yeah, but it's funny. What's interesting in that story

854
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: is both you and Angela mentioned the trust around the

855
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 4: banking piece. You know that they you know, these instruments

856
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: that they tell you about and the stuff that they

857
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 4: you know, very conveniently omit these conditions that again get

858
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: added by the bank to add comfortability to their lending,

859
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 4: so to speak. But these are also the same people

860
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 4: who took families who lived in homes for thirty forty years,

861
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 4: who never missed a mortgage payment whatsoever, who went to

862
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 4: those same black families presenting a better option for them

863
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 4: repackaging their loans and turn their situation completely upside down.

864
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: A lot of the untold story I feel about the

865
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: housing crisis is the one that we've been fed, is

866
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 4: that there were a lot of people who were unqualified

867
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 4: getting access to houses that they shouldn't have ever had

868
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: and could never have afforded. Not true. Overwhelmingly, the crisis

869
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 4: in the housing industry was bought on by greedy banks,

870
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: with greedy incentivized negatively or positively for them, but negatively

871
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 4: for the rest of us. Incentivized to package these things

872
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 4: repackage was what were otherwise stable loans and to now

873
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 4: unstable loans that looked good for a couple of years,

874
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 4: and then the bottom falls out and put a whole

875
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 4: generation of folks into a tail spin and eliminated untold

876
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: wealth in this country overnight. But it wasn't individuals who

877
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 4: were uneducated or didn't know enough about what they were doing.

878
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 4: Y'all knew what we knew what we needed to know

879
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 4: at the time to accomplish the goal that yet set

880
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 4: for ourselves. We didn't expect, however, on the other side,

881
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 4: to meet an untrusting partner who was only interested and

882
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: their incentivized bottom line, the bonuses that they could get

883
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 4: by basically duping us into situations that were untenable. And

884
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 4: they all knew it, yet they were complicit. In fact,

885
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 4: they created it and were complicit with the whole ruse.

886
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: And now we're sitting in a situation where people can't

887
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 4: afford rents where they live. There's zero protection in most places.

888
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 4: A lot of people hear about protections for folks in

889
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 4: rental units in New York City, but New York City

890
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 4: is a complete and total exception, and even their rules

891
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 4: are not perfect. And most communities there's no protection for

892
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 4: folks who are renting housing, which is the condition that

893
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: a lot of our people find themselves in. And so

894
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: I'm wondering, given your years, Angela, even your years in DC,

895
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 4: what does it take for the kind of regulation that's

896
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 4: necessary in this country to come forth. Because this is

897
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 4: a bipartisan issue, it's a non part of an issue.

898
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 4: Republicans and Democrats are suffering the saying, how do we

899
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 4: get the lawmakers? What? What is what has got them

900
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 4: gripped so much so that they can't unleash themselves to

901
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 4: be our advocates on housing.

902
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 5: They can afford need at all.

903
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: And also, Elizabeth, your your expertise isn't focused on housing

904
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: but public health.

905
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 4: And regulationships you focus regulation.

906
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: You're the intersection of how housing impacts public house.

907
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 7: It's very strong. I actually used to work with an

908
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 7: organization in Memphis called the Healthy Homes Partnership, and so

909
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 7: we worked on trying to make sure that the homes

910
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 7: were safe, were healthy. We don't have enough focus on that,

911
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 7: and we talk about pricing people out. The worst thing

912
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 7: about this is we are pricing people out of having safe,

913
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 7: habitable homes. Like you don't deserve anything but a hovele

914
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 7: unless you make you know, X amount of money. That

915
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 7: doesn't make any kind of sense. And we're starting to

916
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 7: see some shifts. So I'm a Montgomery County, Maryland resident.

917
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 7: Now I've lived here fram a state year, and I've

918
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 7: noticed that there have been some shifts to try to

919
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 7: do things like cap increases in rent. I know Tacoma Park, Maryland,

920
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 7: is particularly good about this, but Tacoma Park is still

921
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 7: an expensive place to live. We're still not seeing the

922
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 7: equity that we need. I would say that being in

923
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 7: Maryland compared to Tennessee over the last few years, I

924
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 7: see a higher level of equity than I've seen back home.

925
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 7: But as you pointed out, Andrew, it's still not to

926
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 7: the level that we need it to be. It's still

927
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 7: not where we need it to be. There are still

928
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 7: homeless people sleeping by the Metro. There's no reason in

929
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 7: this country why anybody should be homeless. It makes no

930
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 7: sense to me why anybody is unhoused anywhere in this country.

931
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 7: We have too much money, we have empty homes, we

932
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 7: have empty apartments. There's no reason except again to treat

933
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 7: this as a commodity and try to use it as

934
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 7: a form of conspicuous consumption. And a lot of it

935
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 7: comes down to that conspicuous consumption. I got to look

936
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 7: like I have something, And not only do I have

937
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 7: to look like I have something, but I have to

938
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 7: make sure that you don't have something so I can

939
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 7: feel good about myself. And that's what we've been doing.

940
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 7: And I've also been on a ti rate about multigenerational housing.

941
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 7: I purchased a multiti generational home in December. My husband

942
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 7: and I we're very happy to do this. It has

943
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 7: multiple little living situations going on. And my aunt, who

944
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 7: is seventy, she is retired. She is living in the

945
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 7: guest house of the home, and it has a walk

946
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 7: out basement apartment, so when the time comes to my

947
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 7: parents can live in the home. And right now my

948
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 7: best friend is there. It was my child's godmother, and

949
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 7: she's helping out with things like childcare. White supremacy has

950
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 7: done such a number on taking this concept of multigenerational

951
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 7: living and intergenerational living and treating it as a failure

952
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 7: and that you have to follow this rugged individualism and

953
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 7: have a nuclear family and one home for your family,

954
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 7: and if you don't have that, you are a failure,

955
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 7: rather than understanding that you bring your family together and

956
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 7: you pull resources to be safe, live together and help

957
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 7: each other out. And again, I know that's really a

958
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 7: policy point, but I feel like we need a shift

959
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 7: in that cultural thinking of understanding that this kind of

960
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 7: living does not actually work, especially someone who has birthed

961
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 7: and is now raising a child. We should not be

962
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 7: alone postpartum raising these.

963
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 4: Kids, none of us.

964
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 3: It's very American.

965
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to ask, and I'm switching gears

966
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 5: quite a bit, but I know that you've experienced this

967
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 5: for all of us as show hosts, as content creators.

968
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 5: In many ways, podcast hosts. Tiff is of course a

969
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 5: former TV host and I know that will change again

970
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 5: soon and she'll be back on air. But I want

971
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 5: to ask you what drove you into the content creation

972
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 5: space and what gaps were you feeling? Right? Like normally

973
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 5: when we go in to do these things, there's a

974
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 5: passion that is leading us. I remember I think it

975
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 5: was gerald Dee Mariba who wasn't seeing in and was

976
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 5: recently overprogramming a degree almost like have you heard of her?

977
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh my god, I love her

978
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 5: because you could dress people down quickly but still very clear.

979
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 5: You know, you can understand you, but your mouth is

980
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 5: going quick, and you could break it all down in

981
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 5: ways that I think you know a lot of people

982
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 5: respect and for all the people that was mad enough

983
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 5: to cut you, was doing it all for them, you guys,

984
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 5: I will tell y'all know I'm a snitch. So I

985
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 5: saw Elizabeth's daddy and Jackson. I said, how do you

986
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 5: feel when she cuts? Because my dad went off on

987
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 5: me a vodcast. He's like, I don't like it, but

988
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 5: it's okay. So Elizabeth, I would do want to come

989
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 5: to you on you know, why do you do it?

990
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 5: And when you're talking to young people about where their

991
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 5: space is and how to find their lane if they

992
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 5: are to do content creation, what do you what do

993
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 5: you advise them?

994
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 7: Definitely find that space that feels right. And I, you know,

995
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 7: I go against every single rule when it comes to

996
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 7: any kind of content cration. I don't post on the schedule.

997
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,919
Speaker 7: I don't stick to one kind of thing. My niche

998
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 7: is basically politics, but that's so varied and wide. And

999
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 7: then sometimes I'm just cracking jokes, supposed to stand up videos,

1000
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 7: and you know, I feel like that. I know it's

1001
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 7: like running on vibes, you know, the whole generational thing.

1002
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 7: But that's really what it is. Is what feels right,

1003
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 7: What feels right in my spirit. That is what drives

1004
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 7: everything that I do. That's what drove me going to

1005
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 7: law school. That's what drove me getting my master's and

1006
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 7: being a scientist. At one point I had started my

1007
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 7: law career, so I don't want to go back to

1008
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 7: being a scientist because it felt right in the moment,

1009
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 7: and that's what I did. And I know that was

1010
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 7: such a shift, but it was the thing to do.

1011
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 7: And when it came to content creation, what happened is

1012
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 7: there was a global pandemic. I was home with a baby,

1013
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 7: I was on a maternity leave, and I had just

1014
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 7: so happened to be the first JDMPH grad from the

1015
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 7: University of Memphis, and I was trained at the CDC's

1016
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 7: Public Health Law program in epidemics, pandemics, quarantine, isolation law,

1017
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 7: all this stuff. And I told myself, this doesn't feel

1018
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 7: super relevant, and so I had shifted into privacy law.

1019
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 7: And then a whole pandemic happened, and I realized, oh,

1020
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 7: I'm sitting on a whole bunch of knowledge that not

1021
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 7: a lot of people have at this intersection. Because I

1022
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 7: started having people who were my mentors, who had been

1023
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 7: ten twenty thirty years in the law calling me and saying,

1024
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 7: we know that you are one grad from Memphis who

1025
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 7: understands this. Can you break down this information for us

1026
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 7: and how this works? And so I realized this might

1027
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 7: be useful on a wider scale. And so it started

1028
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 7: off getting on TikTok, just kind of cracking jokes. I

1029
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 7: lost my brother back in twenty seventeen to gun violence,

1030
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 7: and so I've made I do a lot of dark

1031
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 7: humor jokes. I made this little trend we were raiding

1032
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 7: our siblings. I raided it all, all four of my siblings.

1033
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 7: When it got to my brother, I gave before out

1034
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 7: of ten because I said he up and died. And

1035
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 7: you know, that had people laughing because they were like,

1036
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 7: not you rating him low because he died. I said, hey,

1037
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 7: it is what it is, and you know, kind of

1038
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 7: built up a little bit of a following there. But

1039
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 7: I realized, oh, I can actually give people some information too,

1040
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 7: So I started talking about emergency use authorizations on vaccines,

1041
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 7: how the vaccine approval process works, all of this stuff,

1042
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 7: and doing it in a way that was, you know,

1043
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 7: entertaining for people. And so I think people started to

1044
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 7: appreciate it, and so I just kept doing it. And

1045
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 7: as long as people find what I do useful, I'll

1046
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 7: keep doing it. And when it's not useful anymore, I'll

1047
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 7: go do something else.

1048
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: Well, we love it, and we're grateful to you.

1049
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: We are running out of time, but I want to

1050
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: close with you actually work at the FDA, the Angeli

1051
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: pointed out under the Trump administration, the FDA has been

1052
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: the focus of a lot of challenges with the lack

1053
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: of regulation around food safety. Of course, vaccine means so

1054
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: you're under rfk's agency. Is there anything that we should know?

1055
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: We don't want you know. We we need somebody in

1056
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: this administration with some sense, So we don't want to

1057
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: put you in a bad situation. But what are the

1058
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: things that we should be most concerned about given what's happening.

1059
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 7: Well, you can't put me in a bad situation, because

1060
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 7: they send them around the forum the other day asking

1061
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 7: us to snitch about de I, and I submitted and

1062
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 7: said that the whole administration is a bunch of mediocre

1063
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 7: white men. So and caullify the fact that I'm not

1064
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 7: fired every day is insane.

1065
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 5: But anyway, Yeah, I got you there.

1066
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: On the side, and we we haven't met in person, Elizabeth,

1067
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: but I love that I will.

1068
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: Protest for you, but I will protest.

1069
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 8: For you for you take the strip.

1070
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 7: I don't know what they're doing, but I will say this, measles.

1071
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 7: We need to be very, very concerned about measles. We

1072
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 7: have the highest rate of musles in the United States

1073
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 7: that we have had in the past two decades, and

1074
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 7: we need to be very careful and watch very closely

1075
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 7: about what they're doing with dismantling this vaccine board, with

1076
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 7: trying to dismantle vaccine approvals within the FDA. Because the

1077
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 7: FDA handles approvals, it's through our biologics, the Center for Biologics,

1078
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 7: that's SBIRD and FDA, and pay close attention to that

1079
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 7: because I feel like it's not getting the coverage it should.

1080
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 7: And we've already seen what happened with COVID having a

1081
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 7: resurgence of diseases that we can prevent preventable communicable illnesses

1082
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 7: come back up, especially when the school year is going

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Speaker 7: to start back up next month. Yes, we got to

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00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 7: be careful. We have to make sure and I know

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Speaker 7: in our community especially there's a lot of vaccine hesitancy.

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Speaker 7: People have misconceptions about the syphilist childs at Tuskegee. But

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Speaker 7: vaccines are safe, they are effective. We need to make

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Speaker 7: sure our babies have their MMR vaccines. We need to

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Speaker 7: get our teaters and make sure that we are up

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Speaker 7: on our MMR vaccines, that our levels are good, to

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Speaker 7: make sure we don't need a booster. That would be

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Speaker 7: my number one thing that I would say to really

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Speaker 7: really watch out for. That is the thing that scares

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Speaker 7: me the most.

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Speaker 4: Can I ask you on the piece. I know we're running.

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Speaker 4: But this is this year on the out, which is

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Speaker 4: if you need if you've already been inoculated or vaccinated

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00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 4: as a younger person against measles, is it the case

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Speaker 4: that the strand is of a different nature that we're

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Speaker 4: experiencing in this cycle, and therefore people previously inoculated not

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Speaker 4: need to do something yet.

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Speaker 7: But that's the risk. That's the risk, is the spreading

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Speaker 7: enough that it mut takes, just like it kept doing

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Speaker 7: with COVID. And so that's why I say, also, if

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Speaker 7: you've been inoculated before, you need to go get it's

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00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 7: called a teeter t I tr e. Go get your

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00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 7: teeters checked at the doctor's office to make sure that

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00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 7: you still have the right back you know, basically the

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00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 7: levels you need in your body to prevent infection. And

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Speaker 7: if those levels are not where they need to be,

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00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 7: they'll let you know if you need to get another shot.

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Speaker 7: And again I always tell people I'm very open about it.

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Speaker 7: I have an autistic son. He has five years old.

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Speaker 7: He's beautiful, he's amazing, he's fantastic. Vaccines do not cause autism.

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Speaker 7: It is genetic. It is also could be hereditary. They

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Speaker 7: do not cause autism. And I'm gonna tell you right now,

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Speaker 7: I'd rather have my living, beautiful, happy, healthy baby boy

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Speaker 7: than a child who has died from a preventable illness.

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Speaker 7: I will tell you that every day.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, Well, thank you so much, Elizabeth Booker Houston.

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Speaker 1: You'll have to come back because I feel like we

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00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: don't even get into the FDA stuff, so we should

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Speaker 1: have you back really soon. But thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us today. And don't go anywhere at home,

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Speaker 1: because we're going to get into CTA's On the other side.

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Speaker 1: I love that we had Elizabeth Booker Houston on. I

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00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: thought that conversation was so helpful, and hopefully the audience

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Speaker 1: did too. But it is that time to get to

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Speaker 1: calls to action, so let's fire them off.

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Speaker 4: You know what. Just in the theme of us talking

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Speaker 4: about this issue around housing, I would just encourage, encourage,

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00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 4: encourage people to look local and figure out what are

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Speaker 4: some of the reasons why it is that housing seems

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Speaker 4: to be so scarce, whether it's rental or affordable. You'll

1135
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 4: learn that many of the culprits on this issue can

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Speaker 4: be addressed right where you live.

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Speaker 5: And sticking in the financial lane, something that I'm working

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Speaker 5: on right now. Because things have changed so much for

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00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 5: us in this environment. We used to be raking in

1140
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 5: speaking engagement money, it's harder. People are trying to ask

1141
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 5: you to come speak for less. Dealing with stuff with

1142
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 5: my mom and helping to manage her care, resources are

1143
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 5: stretched a lot more thin. So I would encourage people

1144
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 5: to one keep me honest to this, but also try

1145
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 5: to keep yourselves honest in this. It's a good time

1146
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 5: to start relooking and re examining your budget. How are

1147
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 5: you spending your money? How much are you spending on food,

1148
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 5: on clothes, on gas, on carb notes. Check to see

1149
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 5: where you can trim the fat, and keep asking yourself

1150
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 5: what do I need? And if it's not something that's needed,

1151
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 5: think about how you can have a treat less. Often

1152
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 5: I need to have a lot less street so I

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00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 5: can fit my clothes. By the way, but we'll talk

1154
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 5: about them treats next time.

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Speaker 4: I love it all right.

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00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: I got three quick ones. One please send the video,

1157
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: like Andrew Ass. If you're going through challenges with real

1158
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: estate housing, we really want to hear from you, and

1159
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: hearing your voices helps add some texture and meet to

1160
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: the show. So I'd love to hear your testimony, especially

1161
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: since we put our business out there, we would love

1162
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: to have somebody all's business.

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00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: Please. And two I just lost my train of thought.

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00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 3: It's going to come to me. Oh survey. Yes, we

1165
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 3: have a survey, and we would love for you all.

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00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: To participate in the survey because that's going to help

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00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: determine the future of NP and we want to make

1168
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: sure that we're incorporating your thoughts as well. And if

1169
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: you complete it, there are some prizes for you and

1170
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 1: for the person who completes it the fastest, you will

1171
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: get Angela Ri's personal cell phone number, which I will

1172
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: deliver to you myself. Okay, misinformation, I won't do that,

1173
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: but please just please complete a survey. Be on the

1174
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: lookout for it. We'll let you guys know when that drop.

1175
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: So I just want to give you all a hits up.

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00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: And then my last CTA is just my own complaint,

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Speaker 1: but I keep saying it and I don't think enough

1178
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: people have heard it. Nobody wants to hear your goddamn conversations.

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00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: Please use your ear but at air in public spaces

1180
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: because when you when you don't do it, I'm gonna

1181
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: just start joining in the conversation.

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00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 4: Conversations.

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00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just start jumping in. I'm gonna just say, wait, girl,

1184
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: what happened? And if you don't want if you don't

1185
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: want me to hear anything, get off. Oh I hate it.

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00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: I hate it.

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Speaker 3: It's just.

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Speaker 4: Stistic.

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00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it is like only get everyone that.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, if I'm walking down like the hallway.

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Speaker 3: I hate that. I hate that. It's like, yeah, it's

1192
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Speaker 3: consider it.

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00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 5: I'm trying not to keep the phone to my ear.

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00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 5: I'm not thinking that they use it. I want to

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00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 5: ask somebody. But if I can't, like I sometimes now

1196
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 5: I move with just my little you know this tip.

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00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 5: I'm moving with just this and I don't even have

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Speaker 5: my airplane.

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Speaker 3: What got me this first?

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Speaker 4: So I love it again. Just the people who consider themselves.

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00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: That's how I that's how I experience it. It drives me crazy.

1202
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: And if I'm on a flyer, this one man said, no.

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00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 5: I don't watch a movie.

1204
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's to me, all of it is.

1205
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: But when we don't correct the first social grace, it

1206
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: keeps escalating. And so now I ask people like can

1207
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: you please use your earbuds? And this man was like

1208
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: he was about to watch a movie. He's like, it's

1209
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: on low. I'm like, it doesn't matter. And he kept

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00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: doing it, and I was like, Sarah, I'm asking you

1211
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Speaker 1: to do it, but I can ask them to ask

1212
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: you to do it if that's better. And he wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: And I'm definitely that person. Excuse me, flight attendant, this

1214
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Speaker 1: man right here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you got a problem.

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Speaker 1: Please, I think in any space when I'm walking down

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00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: the street, like, get off your it's just I don't

1218
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: like they're.

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00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: Walking the street.

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Speaker 5: Yes, use your earbuds in your privacy of your own home.

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Speaker 3: That's it, privacy of Yes, yes.

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Speaker 4: It's really please, it's really really insane to me that

1223
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: this is not an obvious thing.

1224
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Speaker 5: But it is not like to be on a public

1225
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 5: street and I'm walking past I can't be on speaker.

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00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 4: That's to me that all of it is offensive. But

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Speaker 4: but please, we are in this cordant space and for

1228
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 4: some reason you have determined in your mind's eye that

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01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 4: the whole plane that everybody knows.

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Speaker 8: I said that everybody's about the street there.

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 4: I'm talking about everybody in the store line. Everybody store too.

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Speaker 3: I agree with the store, I say, the street.

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01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 5: Do you think you're outside or like in a mall.

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Speaker 1: Like never right, it's just if you guys blah blah

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01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 1: blah and what y'all think about blah blah blah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't want no videos about this.

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01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 5: I definitely want videos on this. You guys, send in

1238
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 5: all the comments. I want to hear that.

1239
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 3: Sending a video, y'all.

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01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 5: Don't wait a minute. Here's the thing, So Tiff can

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Speaker 5: have eighty six C t A can't walk down the street.

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01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 4: No, but y'all appropriated time for her to have five one.

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01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 5: We have a call to action, but you.

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01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 4: And your conversation with everybody under the sign and while.

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01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 5: Walking we're okay.

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01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: Well, my CTA was really part of y'all CTA. I'm

1247
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: giving Angela CTA. Send in your comments about what y'all

1248
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: think about being on speakerphone, Andrew ct A sending your

1249
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: videos and my c in the group ct A for

1250
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: complete the surveys.

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Speaker 5: Y'all.

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01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 1: Well, as always, we do want to remind you guys,

1253
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: if you like this conversation, please not only participate in it,

1254
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: but like, subscribe, share, spread the word. We really want

1255
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: to keep expanding the folks who are a part of

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01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: this conversation, so we encourage you all to help us

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01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: to do that and check out our girl, Jamel Hill,

1258
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: who I just love get to be friends with people

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan of, and I just I coseplay Jamail

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01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: when I'm out in these streets. I'll be trying to

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01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: talk sports to these people, and I know I don't

1262
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, but I just think she's

1263
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: one of the coolest people.

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Speaker 3: The first submission, I'd like to edit that out of

1265
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Speaker 3: the show.

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01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 4: Talking about I'm gonna.

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01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 1: Tell somebody on speaker, but I say things I like.

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01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes I repeat what I hear Jamel say.

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Speaker 3: You know the show what the hell about?

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Speaker 1: Well, anyway, my point is check out the shows on

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: Reasent Choice Media.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Jammel Hills on r c M with her show's politics.

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01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: S Cup also has a show Off the Cup, not

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Speaker 1: Off the Cuff, but Off the Cups c PP. I

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Speaker 1: see what y'all did there, So please sure to check

1277
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Speaker 1: out those two shows, and don't forget to follow us

1278
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: on social media and subscribe to our text or email

1279
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: on Native lamppod dot com. We are Tiffany Cross, Angela Right,

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Speaker 1: and Andrew Gillham.

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Speaker 3: Y'all there, are.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know why we bother to say this,

1283
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: but there are four hundred and eighty one days until

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01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: mid term elections. If they back, I'm happy, So maybe

1285
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: we should do the mini pod this week on that

1286
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: do y'all wanted to ask?

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01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 3: Okay, check out the mini pot.

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01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna get into mid term elections for now, four

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01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty one days until these midterm elections, if

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Speaker 1: they happen to happen.

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Speaker 4: Welcome home, Welcome home, We'm home morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining the natives attentional with the info

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01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: and all of the latest re regulum and cross connective

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01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: to the statements that you leave on our socials. Thank

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Speaker 2: you sincerely for the patients reason for your choice is cleared,

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Speaker 2: so grateful it took to execute roads. Thank you for serve,

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Speaker 2: defend and protect the truth human in pace. We'll walk

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Speaker 2: a home to all of the natives. We thank you.

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