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Speaker 2: where I talk to artists, athletes, engineers, personal friends about

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Speaker 2: their failures, not their successes, because we all know. Everybody

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Speaker 3: All right, today we have to Ray Roberts.

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Speaker 2: Friends of the pod. Fun fact, I went to Raise

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Speaker 2: You've also seen on episodes of praise, as well as

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Speaker 2: He's also now co Senior Pastor of the Potter's House,

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Speaker 2: Ladies and Gentlemen, Pastor Torey. It's good to see your

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you you. I just got to kick it

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Speaker 1: I've been good.

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Speaker 1: And this is this is amazing. First of all, congratulations,

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Speaker 2: with my gift. And you know, you say things like

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Speaker 2: you can watch church online find stuff like that. But

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Speaker 2: I feel like pastors are sometimes you need the pastor

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Speaker 2: for that season in your life. Yes versus, this is

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Speaker 2: my pastor from when I was born, because our lives

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Speaker 2: lead very differently. That brings me to what I was

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Speaker 2: talking about, perfect theology for your life? How can people

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Speaker 2: have a theology for your life? I have one for

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Speaker 2: my life, Kurt has one for his life. Missy has

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Speaker 2: one for her life. Is it with one God? People

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Speaker 2: would argue that there should be the theology. This is

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Speaker 2: the word of God, this is what the Bible says.

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Speaker 2: We are all under this same thing. I have my

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Speaker 2: own thoughts, but I would to hear yours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So when I say the Holy Spirit is the

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Speaker 1: only one who has perfect theology for your life. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that everybody has a different theology. I think

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Speaker 1: that our foundation is the same. And for me, my

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Speaker 1: foundation is God loved us, is Christ, death, buried, resurrected,

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Speaker 1: The Holy Spirit leads us and guides us. When it's over,

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Speaker 1: will be absent from the body, present with the Lord.

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Speaker 1: Those those are the foundational fundamental believe you believe into

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Speaker 1: faith fundamentals. Now as it relates to my day to

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Speaker 1: day decision making and walk and what I do, that's

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Speaker 1: a completely different different story. Now. Another thing is the

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Speaker 1: scripture must be interpreted by the Holy Spirit. So if

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Speaker 1: you don't have the Holy Spirit, what you will do.

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Speaker 1: What we will do in our humanity is we will

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Speaker 1: twist it to fit our lens of what life should be.

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Speaker 1: And we see it all time, and of course we

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Speaker 1: can go back to slavery and everything else, you know.

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Speaker 1: So so I need the Holy Spirit to help me

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Speaker 1: even understand what's going on, you know, or to understand

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Speaker 1: that that's hidden that you you you don't have see

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Speaker 1: that's a problem. People think that they have to know

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Speaker 1: it all, you know. I've got a chapter in the

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Speaker 1: book called the Catalyst of ignorance. Ignorance is actually a

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Speaker 1: catalyst you think about science. Science doesn't fund the billions

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Speaker 1: of dollars that go into science every year, perhaps even

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Speaker 1: the trillions dollar goes into science. It doesn't go into

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Speaker 1: the known, goes into the research of the unknown. So

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Speaker 1: so ignorance. I don't have to know it all right,

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Speaker 1: but I can be grateful that I'm in relationship with

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Speaker 1: the one who does, and that he will give me,

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Speaker 1: step by step what I need. And the problem with

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Speaker 1: some religious people is they feel like, well, I've got

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Speaker 1: these sixty six books. Yes, you've got these sixty six

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Speaker 1: books books, but there is a gazillion interpretations. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: so it's about surrender. And anyway, I.

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Speaker 2: Love that I grew up paw, which, if you don't know,

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Speaker 2: Apostolic is a denomination Pentecostal.

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Speaker 3: Then you got Apostolic, then you got paw. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is like Pentecosta is blah blah blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah. Apostolic is the division of Pentecostal. Paw is

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Speaker 2: a division.

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Speaker 3: When I was.

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Speaker 2: Growing up, we were Acts two thirty eight. You are

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Speaker 2: not saved unless you baptized in the name of Jesus.

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Speaker 3: Only my grandma and my.

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Speaker 2: Church them Kojak people, they getting baptized the name of

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Speaker 2: the Father and Son of the Holy Ghost, and they

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Speaker 2: ain't saved at all.

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Speaker 3: They don't know them at all.

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Speaker 2: And I had Kojic friends at church, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell y'all, I'm not perfect. But outside

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Speaker 2: of this one thing, everything else is to say, the

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Speaker 2: person who getting baptized, they just want to repay for

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Speaker 2: their sins. Your daddy, Kojic father son, hooly, your dad,

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Speaker 2: if you're a w Jesus only, but this person. And

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Speaker 2: when I tell you my grandma, and then was like,

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Speaker 2: and Blake ain't say and Blake and let Noel Jones

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Speaker 2: ain't saved.

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Speaker 3: I think we all say. I think you just interpret

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Speaker 3: the scripture.

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Speaker 2: And really, when you do the research, all these denominations

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Speaker 2: came from your interpretation of this scripture this way, somebody

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Speaker 2: else is that way.

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Speaker 3: We can't. I'm gonna start my own church. And that's happened.

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Speaker 2: That's how you Lutheran and Apostolic and Baptists and Second

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Speaker 2: Day of ad Ventists or Seventh Day event Excuse me,

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Speaker 2: I mean say Second Baptist that I got the two

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Speaker 2: jumped up forty two now. But I think the posture

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Speaker 2: of the person who just wants Jesus. They might just

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Speaker 2: have been introduced to a person who was Baptist. I'm

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Speaker 2: with y'all. Well, my daddy was a Baptist peacher.

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Speaker 3: I'm with y'all. I just want to.

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Speaker 2: Say that because I've been getting murdered lately, and I

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Speaker 2: think it's so interesting that I think about God having

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Speaker 2: a billion children and I only have two, and I

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Speaker 2: can't is my two boys who have lived with me

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Speaker 2: both their entire lives, the same thing, doesn't motivate them.

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Speaker 2: You can't discipline them the same, They don't like the

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Speaker 2: same foods, they don't look alike.

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Speaker 3: And it's just two kids.

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Speaker 2: Imagine having billions over time and cultures change.

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Speaker 3: And you have one set of rule. It's impossible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we the further we get away from the

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Speaker 2: Bible times, I think, the less we understand about the

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Speaker 2: cultural culture of those times and those people and were

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Speaker 2: trying to apply principles today to things that didn't exist.

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Speaker 2: How you apply the internet.

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Speaker 3: To the Bible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ain't no TikTok, ain't no time. You know,

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Speaker 2: we're way off track. This is why I can't be

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Speaker 2: having pastors who have viron here because we get to

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Speaker 2: talk about stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's theeological Thursdays.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something I do want to respond

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Speaker 1: to something you said. There was there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: story in the scripture where Jesus' disciples are out and

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Speaker 1: they're doing their healing and they come across some other

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Speaker 1: disciples in the field and they're like, hey, y'all follow us,

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Speaker 1: and they're like, no, we're gonna keep doing what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: And they got mad and they went back to Jesus like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, hey, we shouldn't. We should probably

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Speaker 1: reprimand them. And Jesus is like, he who is not

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Speaker 1: against us is for us. And I think that that's

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Speaker 1: one of the problems. Listen, there are certain things that

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Speaker 1: we are not going to agree upon until the first

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Speaker 1: of all, all of us are wrong a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We all wrong a little bit. And what makes us

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Speaker 1: wrong err is our insistence upon our rightness. And we

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Speaker 1: have to focus on the main thing. It is the gospel.

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Speaker 1: Jesus had a very very consistent message. It was the

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Speaker 1: Gospel of the Kingdom. And so we are distracted by

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Speaker 1: arguing with things that are ancillary, they're not even foundational.

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Speaker 1: And I just think that there's probably a number of

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Speaker 1: reasons for it. But again, humility, humility, you know what

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Speaker 1: I don't. Okay, we may not agree, but you know what,

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Speaker 1: but I love this about you and I'm praying for you,

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Speaker 1: and if we all were the same, we wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: able to reach every.

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Speaker 3: I have said this for Batim. I have said we

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Speaker 3: talk about you know.

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Speaker 2: The people get mad at if you're a pastor that

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Speaker 2: does visual aids. Oh, he doing too much? When I

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Speaker 2: tell you you can never do too much for me? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love visual aids. I beat the most in tune.

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Speaker 2: Show me something, climb up on a ladder, get a

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Speaker 2: pool in here, you got money. I seen a pastor

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Speaker 2: with a roller coaster. I'm tapped in. I like that,

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Speaker 2: and I think for the people who like that, that's

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Speaker 2: your pastor.

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Speaker 3: You funny. Some people that love a funny pastor. Some

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Speaker 3: people ain't nothing funny about the line.

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Speaker 2: Okay, go to the need to make me pastor who

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Speaker 2: ain't everything and ain't laughed in thirteen years. I like

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Speaker 2: funny pastors because I like funny things. I'm my pastor

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Speaker 2: back home in Washington. He was a master at taking

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Speaker 2: things that happened in life he could take. He preached

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Speaker 2: the message on the Boston Red Sox curse being broken.

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Speaker 2: He could peach toy story. He was young, funny and cool,

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Speaker 2: and I needed that because I came up under.

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Speaker 1: God and fire and brimstone.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna be in church.

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Speaker 2: You just beating the poor pitt to dam Okay, we

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Speaker 2: got it.

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Speaker 3: It's all bad every time. Hell, hell, hell, and offering

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Speaker 3: nothing else in that box.

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Speaker 1: And gospel literally means good news and good.

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Speaker 3: Why y'all never smiled the news He never smiles supposed

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Speaker 3: to be good dude, literally.

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Speaker 1: And I think for some people, they're they're they're trapped,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're trapped in a framework of religion. For

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Speaker 1: some serializing, they're trapped in the front and and and

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Speaker 1: and they're angry and something. And that's why No, I'm I'm.

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Speaker 5: Dead, but that but but no, but but but that's

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Speaker 5: why you see all these these other lives pop out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know because and that's not the only reason why.

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Speaker 1: But but but if you are trying to live in

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Speaker 1: this framework that someone taught you, uh so you are

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Speaker 1: by by nature, see there is a denying your flesh,

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Speaker 1: and then there's a denying the truth that's within you,

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Speaker 1: denying your flesh as godly. Because you deny your flesh

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Speaker 1: that you can walk out in the spirit. But sometimes

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Speaker 1: there are things that God is trying to do in you,

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Speaker 1: and you shut it down because someone convinced you that

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Speaker 1: it's the devil. And so you're you're you're in conflict

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Speaker 1: with your own self. And let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: Hungry folk are gonna eat. You can pretend all day long,

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Speaker 1: I'm not hungry. I'm not hungry. I'm not hungry. I'm

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Speaker 1: not And you go too long, a little mouse will

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Speaker 1: run across the thing and next thing, you know, God,

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Speaker 1: you know so I think that I think that we

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Speaker 1: have to be real, lay it all out before the

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Speaker 1: Lord and let him decide, you know what, what's yours

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Speaker 1: and what's not.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Let's switch gears to your career. Many

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Speaker 2: people may not know this. I didn't know this.

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Speaker 3: You landed up it deal with ABC called the put Okay.

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Speaker 2: Right before Upfronts. The network decided not to take it

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Speaker 2: to series. Tell us what happened and explain the significance

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Speaker 2: of Upfronts and why it is so surprising to get

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Speaker 2: canceled before that if you were on that track.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, the pilot was unnamed, just so you know,

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Speaker 1: it was unnamed pilot put pilot is is uh is

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Speaker 1: an industry term that basically it's almost like a shoe

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Speaker 1: in Just so you know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know, but I thought it was called the put.

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Speaker 2: I said, that's an interesting name.

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Speaker 3: But I went with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's good you put what But okay.

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Speaker 1: But but it was.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: We're very excited about it. I mean we we taped

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Speaker 1: the pilot episode. Leslie Olden Jr. He brought it to me. Uh,

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Speaker 1: member of our member of one. Yeah, came up in

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Speaker 1: the church. Obviously he's doing great things.

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Speaker 3: Now that's Aaron. Y'all don't know from Hamilton. He's done

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Speaker 3: many million things. But he was in the room where

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Speaker 3: it happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was in a room and he comes to me.

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Speaker 1: He's like Peter. He was all nervous, is like pt I, man,

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Speaker 1: I have this idea for a sitcom about your life,

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Speaker 1: you know, and he was super nervans. You know, I

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Speaker 1: love him you we're friends, but you know he has

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Speaker 1: reverence or respect or whatever, and I was like, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about it, and so we talked about it. Carrie

655
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Speaker 1: Washington had just gotten a deal with ABC and uh

656
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: and so next thing, you know, within months, you know,

657
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: we're literally we're on the set of Seinfeld. We shot

658
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: this pilot CBS Ratford on the same sound stage as Seinfeld.

659
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: And it was incredible and it you know, scaled to

660
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: be me and the whole family, you know, and it

661
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: was funny and it was good. We had an incredible

662
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: writers and it was amazing. And they put a lot

663
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean just that alone. You know, they put a

664
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Speaker 1: lot of money you know, into that for sure, and

665
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: it was good. And the trades, well, all the trades

666
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: are talking about it. You can google it now. Everybody's like,

667
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: you know, it was like a shoe in. This was like,

668
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: this was happening and uh. And so we were waiting

669
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: to hear the official green light that they were going

670
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: to take it the series, you know, And I mean

671
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 1: it was a big that I had been I invited

672
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: all my friends out to the recording and you know,

673
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: folks flew in and you know, it was everything. But

674
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, because I have been sewing into artists for

675
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: so long, making their dreams come true. I wanted to

676
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: see my production company win a little bit too, you

677
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like and uh man, and we're

678
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: we're literally waiting for the call to go to New

679
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: York for upfronts, where obviously the network can present the

680
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: show in front of advertisers and potential sponsors and get

681
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: money and the called income and the called income and income.

682
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: And then Leslie hit me up and he was like,

683
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: they decided not to take it to series now, cav.

684
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: I tried to be like, okay, got called. Didn't work

685
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: together for the little ship. Rejection is just redirection.

686
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: You know, I had all I was trying to pull

687
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: all my stuff together. Oh oh, and I'm trying to

688
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: encourage Leslie and he was everybody you know, and and

689
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: uh but I was devastated. But I learned something though.

690
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: And and first of all, if you look at the

691
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: timing of it, we were't gonna be able to do

692
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: it anyway. The pandemic was right around the.

693
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: Corner, so that wouldn't have mattered.

694
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have mattered anyway, I mean literally.

695
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: And the writing strike stright after that.

696
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: Right after that, and the whole game changed, you know.

697
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: But I didn't know that.

698
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you heard about it when I heard, right, Yes,

699
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: and I I I didn't.

700
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that it happened to me. But

701
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: I lost my expectation a little bit. I kind of

702
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 1: I didn't see. I knew how to win. I didn't

703
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: know how lose. Yeah, And if you're going to do well,

704
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: if you're going to be great, you can't just know

705
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: how to win. Yes, you got to know how to lose.

706
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: I was watching this basketball coach say that when they

707
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: recruited athletes, they would go to games where they knew,

708
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: like a team was supposed to blow them out, and

709
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 2: the person they're looking at they know they can't beat

710
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: this team, and they would watch how they react to

711
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: losing and getting blown out.

712
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: It was like, it's easy when you're supposed to win.

713
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: I know everybody's great when you lose, But how do

714
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: you treat your teammates when you lose? How do you

715
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: act when you're down twenty or thirty you start cussing

716
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: and fussing out the coach and your teammates. How do

717
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: you respond to adversity and loss is a much more

718
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: visible indicator of your character than how you respond when

719
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: you win, absolutely, And they said they never got a

720
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: player wrong. If they took them and they were at

721
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: a bad attitude when they lost, they had a bad attitude.

722
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 3: When they were with them.

723
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: If they had a good as to when they lost,

724
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 2: good teammate throughout that they're a good player, good teammate throughout.

725
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: And I think that's so important because you will lose

726
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: in life, yes, especially in the creative industry, but even

727
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: outside of that, like something you want to happen will

728
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: not come to fruition the way you want, or will

729
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: not last as long as you want, and you still

730
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: got to figure out how to keep moving forward.

731
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: That's what I did. I didn't know how to lose

732
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: at all. At all I had I had won a lot,

733
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: I had won a lot in that season. I had

734
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: overcomes I've won, you know, and that, and I've like

735
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: this is done, you know, they put you know. And

736
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: but it taught me something. There's a difference between losing

737
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: and being a loser. And and if you don't process losing,

738
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: you will make it an identity and not an event.

739
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: It's just an event, you know, It's not an identity.

740
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: And and so what I learned was, you know, I've

741
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: got this this phrase the same never waste a perfectly

742
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: good failure. I love that best. Never never waste a

743
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: perfectly good failure. If you do, see, I believe in

744
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: doing autopsy, an autopsy on the failure. If you think

745
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: about an autopsy, we science learns more from debt things

746
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: than it does live things.

747
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: You you going for a trip double right now? You know,

748
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 2: gave us so many clips and little tidbits. I'm trying

749
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 2: not to interrupt you, but you make it hard.

750
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 1: It's true, like I can. So I can either make

751
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: that event where I lost or or whatever failed an

752
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: identity or a classroom. And if I make it a classroom,

753
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: I go, I do an autopsy. Okay, so what went wrong?

754
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: And be honest about it. Nobody, Yeah, don't be blaming nobody.

755
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: You know you're not first at least you know take

756
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: you know. I love this book called Extreme Ownership, Like, okay,

757
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: let me own this. Okay, what happened? What went wrong?

758
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: Could I have done better? Okay? What will I do better?

759
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: Because it's coming back around? That's the thing, like people.

760
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: Even in the book, I talk about the unfolding of

761
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: knowing life. Life unfolds like there is like it's gonna

762
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: come back around and this time, and my experience in

763
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: life is that it comes back around bigger and better.

764
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: And now because of what you've learned, you've got a

765
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: perception that you didn't have, You've got a grace that

766
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: you didn't have. You're gonna win. Well, you need a

767
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: bunch of failures.

768
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: You need a bunch of failures. It is how you

769
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: learn to succeed. Yes, I was a terrible businessman for

770
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: many years because I'm an artist.

771
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: Artist, I just want to do the work.

772
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: And there is nothing a lawyer loves more than somebody

773
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: who just wants to do the work.

774
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: They are licking their chops. And here's the thing.

775
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: I don't have to be a good lawyer. I just

776
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: need to know. I'm a terrible negotiator. Yeah, yeah, talk

777
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: to my attorney.

778
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 3: Yes, I would love to do it. You talk to me.

779
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: I'll be paying you to do it, right, How am

780
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: I paying you to do my comedy show? That's how

781
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 2: bad I want to do it. But it took me

782
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: getting beat and deal in different ways. Now, to my credit,

783
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna beat me twice the exact same way.

784
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: So their credit, they are creative yeah, you ain't got

785
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: a new it me. I said, okay, you got me good.

786
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: Now last time I said no to that. Now you

787
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: done came around the back end and stole that. But

788
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: I love that doing autopsy on a failure because you know,

789
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: in athletics, coaches say all the time they can't teach

790
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: them nobody nothing after a win because at the end,

791
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 2: if I won, it's like, well, yeah I did that,

792
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: but I won. But after a loss, people are like, okay,

793
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 2: so what do we do wrong? Same thing, the same motion,

794
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: same action is perceived differently if you end up winning

795
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: versus you end up losing.

796
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: That's why this show is so important because this is

797
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: where we learned. This is the truth is this is ministry. Yes, Like,

798
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I'm gonna start calling you minister keV.

799
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: Don't you do it because I'm an ordained minister. I

800
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: don't know if you know this. No, I'm an ordained minister.

801
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm not shocked. But I didn't know that.

802
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: I was a youth pastor for years. I used to

803
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: preach every second Sunday. I went through minister class training.

804
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: It's not a game.

805
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: I was studying to show myself approved. Wow, and I

806
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: just feel like my ministry is not in the pool

807
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: pit right. And people I told somebody was telling me

808
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: you should start a church. I said, why the devil

809
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: keep using you?

810
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: Right?

811
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: I think I would help less people the moment I said,

812
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: this is Kevi on stage's church.

813
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 3: They go on crucifi me. I need to minister in

814
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: my way.

815
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: God got pastors, y'all gonna do that stuff where you

816
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 2: can't have no fun, he said, KIV have the fun,

817
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna we're gonna take the same arrows. Though

818
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: now I'm realizing, yeah, yeah, no.

819
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: But it's again, people put you in their frame. Yeah,

820
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: and the frame is too small. It's like too small.

821
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: And your frame is only according to what you've seen

822
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: and what you've experienced. I know for a fact that

823
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: your reach in doing what you do making people lad.

824
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: But I see what you do, you sprinkle it in.

825
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: I already know it's the Lord is seasoned in everything

826
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: that you do and what I've seen. Yes, I mean

827
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: he's in there.

828
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: Is it to be good?

829
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean for real? But here's the thing. You know

830
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: why also though, because it can't help but to come out.

831
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: It's You's in your blood.

832
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: It's in my DNA. Yes, that's why I say, and

833
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that I'm okay with you. You really

834
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: got to know who you are and what God calls

835
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: you to do, because people will call you based on

836
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: what they think you are and who they want you

837
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: to be versus God and what he knows, what he

838
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: has for you, and.

839
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: Who he wants you to be.

840
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: And they didn't call you, and they didn't call him.

841
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: Got my name, they didn't. They just I pray for

842
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: a day as a relations to the church where we

843
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: would be more committed to true unity. And let me

844
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: tell you something. Unity is hard, yes, because you have

845
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: to Unity requires humility. That's the vibe I's Ephesians four,

846
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: like walk worthy of your calling, endeavoring to keep the unity,

847
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: to keep the unity of the spirit, to keep it

848
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: like our job. The spirit is already one, it's already united.

849
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: We have our issues and our theological binds or whatever,

850
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: but the Spirit is not divide. The Spirit is one.

851
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: So if we are one in Christ, then our job

852
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: is to endeavor to keep, not to make the spirit one,

853
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: to keep it, and it talks about it. He says,

854
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: you've got to be long suffering. You got to be lowly.

855
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: You got to be humble. You have to esteem others

856
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: more highly than yourselves. You can't get up here and

857
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: talk about it. I'm this. You know, there's this culture

858
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: now now. I'm on my soul boxing.

859
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 3: Get up there.

860
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: There's this culture now where, And I think social media

861
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: has something to do with it. Where wind gets behind

862
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: someone who says this is the right way to do

863
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: it and everybody else is doing it wrong. And I'm like,

864
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: and so the most popular people are not talking about Jesus.

865
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: They're talking about what's wrong with the church. You're taking

866
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: that that you could take that same energy and glorify

867
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: the Lord and lift him up and bless him and

868
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: pray for things that you don't like or pray for them.

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Speaker 1: But you're sowing division and you don't even know it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and people say amen, and yes, oh, tell them like

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And it's and it's it's it's it's damaging. It's damaging.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, taking a quick commercial break, we'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: I think about what you were saying about unity. I

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Speaker 2: think about the Montgomery bus boycod. When I first heard

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Speaker 2: about it, I thought, oh my gosh, that was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was on won accord for one goal. I did

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Speaker 2: more research, it found out everybody was on the same goal,

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Speaker 2: but they didn't think about it the same. There's people

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Speaker 2: who are frustrated, how am I gonna get to work?

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Speaker 2: And some people just said, you know what, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go with this plan, even though I don't agree, even

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Speaker 2: though I don't think it's gonna work, even though it's

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Speaker 2: gonna cost me something. And that unity didn't mean everybody

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Speaker 2: was on the same page. Everybody decided this is what's best,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go towards it. And I think that is

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Speaker 2: the difference because I assumed as a kid, like everybody

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Speaker 2: believed in that thing that was the only ones achieved.

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Speaker 2: Martin Luther King and Malcolm X had opposing views on

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Speaker 2: civil rights, and they both wanted the same goal. Very

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Speaker 2: professor I mean, obviously Professor X and Magneto the same idea.

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Speaker 2: But I think sometimes we think if you're Martin, Martin

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Speaker 2: people he's right and Malcolm is wrong, and Malcolm people

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Speaker 2: he's right and Martin's wrong. The truth is they both

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Speaker 2: have good points, yes, and just depends on who you

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Speaker 2: are and how you see the world. But you can

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Speaker 2: follow them for them, and you know one person for

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Speaker 2: this person for that. And I think to your point.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the things you said that was

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Speaker 2: so brilliant is like, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't have to know it all. No, I live my

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Speaker 3: life like that.

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Speaker 2: I accept I don't know it all about anything. I

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Speaker 2: don't even know everything about myself. I'm not even consistent

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Speaker 2: with me. So how can I hold you to a standard?

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Speaker 2: I can't hold out to a standard. So before we

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Speaker 2: let you go, I want you to to talk about

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Speaker 2: your book, why you wrote it, what you want people

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Speaker 2: to learn from it, what they'll gather from it, and

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Speaker 2: where they can get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm looking at the world right now, and

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Speaker 1: the world is becoming more and more uncertain. So when

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Speaker 1: I write a book, I don't write a book based

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Speaker 1: on the thoughts that are in my head. I write

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Speaker 1: a book to really have an impact on the world

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Speaker 1: that that book is going to be brought into. And

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Speaker 1: the mind was not wired for unpredictability. The mind craves predictability.

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Speaker 1: And when uncertainty hits your mind, does I go into

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Speaker 1: a creative mode. It goes into kind of a shutdown,

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Speaker 1: fight or flight type of mode. It disrupts, deregulates your

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Speaker 1: nervous system because it wants that predictability and uncertainty or

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Speaker 1: things that are confusing or shocking or that create this unknown.

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Speaker 1: It used to just be like a one off, you know,

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Speaker 1: a seasonal thing. Now every single day, things are happening

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Speaker 1: that disrupt our sense of predictability and it creates its uncertainty,

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Speaker 1: and it paralyzes us. Either it paralyzes us or it

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Speaker 1: makes us misfire because we're not at our best when

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Speaker 1: we are not emotionally regulated. So I recognize that that

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Speaker 1: was an issue, and and and so how do we

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Speaker 1: solve that? It's a felt need. Everybody is feeling like,

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Speaker 1: you know, should I should leave LA or should I?

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Speaker 1: Should I go should I? Should I? Should I learn AI?

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Speaker 1: Or should I Do you know? All these all these questions?

935
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Speaker 1: Should I sell my house? Or should I? All these things?

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Speaker 1: Because everything is so volidile, and you get decision fatigue

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Speaker 1: because all these other things are taking place. But I

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Speaker 1: wrote knowing because I felt like, even though I am

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Speaker 1: I'm subject to all that uncertainty, I don't move with

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Speaker 1: that same misaligned, misguided paralysis or misfire type of way

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Speaker 1: of living, and I don't because because I know some stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, And so it's for me. The book is

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Speaker 1: about getting back to our first sense. People think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, whether you call it intuition, holy spirit, you

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Speaker 1: know whatever. People think that that's their sick they called

946
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Speaker 1: their sixth sense. No, it's not just sick. It's actually

947
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Speaker 1: your first sense. It just gets clouded. And so I

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Speaker 1: wrote the book because I truly believe that even in

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Speaker 1: the midst of uncertainty, we can find a clarity that

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Speaker 1: not only ground us so that our our nervous system

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Speaker 1: can start acting right, but that we can find a

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Speaker 1: true compass in life. And and and you know, it's

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Speaker 1: I talk about us all having a knower, you know,

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Speaker 1: but you have to recognize it, identify it, train it,

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Speaker 1: and use it. So I just want people in this

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Speaker 1: this this season of the world to not fret, not

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Speaker 1: be fearful, to be grounded, to know how to how

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Speaker 1: to take information, eat the chicken, spit out the bones.

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Speaker 1: Because even though everything is crazy, God still got a

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Speaker 1: plan and you're a part of it. But you can't

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Speaker 1: be a part of it unless you're grounded in what

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Speaker 1: you will come to know.

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Speaker 2: So, ladies and gentlemen, get the book Amazon, indie booksellers,

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Speaker 2: wherever books are found, I imagine, don't go to Target

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Speaker 2: yet unclear, not not certain. Just gold in your local bookstore.

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Speaker 2: To raise a brilliant mind, great speaker, great writer. It

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Speaker 2: will impact your life. Click the link in his bio

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Speaker 2: it will be there, and follow him. He's a brilliant,

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Speaker 2: brilliant person, even better person than he is a speaker.

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Speaker 2: And thank you for attending Not My Best Moment with

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Speaker 2: Kemel Stage and pet Past Tory Roberts.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: This has been a Unanimous Media original. Not My Best

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Speaker 2: Moment was produced by iHeart Podcast and Unanimous Media. It

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Speaker 2: was hosted by me Kevin Frederick, Executive produced by Stephen Curry,

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Speaker 2: Maria Cutney. The executive producers of the iHeart Podcast are

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Speaker 2: Sean Titne and Jason English. This series was produced by

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