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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ. Bucky

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Speaker 1: back with you. Buck. It's uh. It's week two of

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Speaker 1: How you doing, man? No good man? Looking forward to

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Speaker 1: the weekend and actually would be in Thursday, like we

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to get to some fun

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Speaker 1: But this is broken down a little bit more so

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Speaker 1: of defensive linemens, defensive players otherwise like a bunch of

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Speaker 1: talented players. It dipped for a bit, and they don't

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Speaker 1: look the same as they looked back then, like they

431
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Speaker 1: looked like a pro team back then, like they were

432
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Speaker 1: built a certain way and those things. And so whoever

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Speaker 1: takes over um, that has to be a priority to

434
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Speaker 1: not only pick the right players, which is gonna make

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Speaker 1: sure that they're developed and they look a certain way

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Speaker 1: when they run into the field. Because one thing that

437
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Speaker 1: you and I know, particularly when we go to games

438
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Speaker 1: because we don't go to as many as we used

439
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Speaker 1: to when your body type in them their teams that

440
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Speaker 1: when you go the game is over. Once they come

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Speaker 1: out of the tunnel, you're like, well that's this one's over.

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Speaker 1: You wanna have a good looking squad, You want to

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Speaker 1: have a team that looks to part And there's a

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Speaker 1: difference when you see Alabama runout to Temina some of

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Speaker 1: these other teams. Alright, two other nuggets there. Uh, seven

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Speaker 1: of the thirty two starting quarterbacks hailed from the state

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Speaker 1: of Texas. UM twenty of the thirty two starting quarterbacks

448
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Speaker 1: Week one of the NFL season are in their twenties.

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Speaker 1: So we really do I mean Tom Brady still, he's

450
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Speaker 1: a defending champ in his mid forties. But the majority

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Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks here, we've got guys really really starting

452
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Speaker 1: to go into their prime here. Now they're going into

453
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Speaker 1: their prime in the league is changing right in front

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Speaker 1: of our eyes because the old guard Drew Brees, uh,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady still, Philip Rivers is gone, Eli mannings Goneli

456
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Speaker 1: Manning's gone, Ben Roethlisberg is nearing the end. Aaron Rodgers

457
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Speaker 1: might be nearing the end at his age, and so

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Speaker 1: we have met Ryan who is nearing the end. So

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Speaker 1: now we have these young hip uh, mostly athletic quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: that are man in the position, seeing different stuff. I mean,

461
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Speaker 1: we're just seeing a different a different game is being

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Speaker 1: played now than when we were scouting back in the

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Speaker 1: two thousands. No, it was interesting. Um alright, So tho's

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Speaker 1: some nuggets there from the the opening day rosters. One

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Speaker 1: other thing I want to get to um and we

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Speaker 1: don't need to go along here, Buck, I know, UM

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Speaker 1: this other things got to get accomplished today. But Derek

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Speaker 1: Stingley from L s U Corner, highly highly rated. He

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Speaker 1: had he got beat up a little bit against Davante Smith. Um,

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Speaker 1: He's had some issues against some Last year was not

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Speaker 1: a great year for me for him year before was better.

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Speaker 1: Um this year and watching and watching their tape against

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Speaker 1: U C. L A. Buck, he is not he is

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Speaker 1: not aggressive as a tackler. He is not want He

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Speaker 1: has not shown a lot of want to as a tackler.

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Speaker 1: And that to me, I want to get your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on it because back in the day, and Dion famously

478
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Speaker 1: said it, you know right, they pay me to cover um.

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Speaker 1: But Dion, I think his reputation was that he didn't tackle.

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Speaker 1: Dion would get guys on the ground. He might not

481
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Speaker 1: want trying and knock somebody's head off, but he got

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Speaker 1: him on the ground. Um, but for lack of want to,

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Speaker 1: I just I go back and um, what's the corner

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Speaker 1: with Jacksonville buck out of Florida? U. C. J. Henderson

485
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Speaker 1: wouldn't tackle anybody? And that was like I I see

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Speaker 1: the movement, and I see the ability and the talent.

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Speaker 1: But with the way the game's played right now, maybe

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Speaker 1: you can explain that to folks, But just how how

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Speaker 1: different the game is played now, which necessitates that your

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Speaker 1: corners be able to tackle. Your corners have to be

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Speaker 1: able to tackle. Like the days of the shutdown, lockdown

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Speaker 1: cover corner, Uh, those days going by the wayside. You

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Speaker 1: have to be able to tackle. Now. There's a difference

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Speaker 1: between being a tackler and being a hitter. A hitter

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Speaker 1: strikes with the kind of force that he's trying to

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Speaker 1: knock you out. A tackle just has to be able

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Speaker 1: to make clean tackle, sure tackles, get the guy to

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Speaker 1: the gun, and go play the next one. It's hard

499
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Speaker 1: to play a long time in the National Football League

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Speaker 1: when you're it because you're throwing yourself around in those things.

501
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Speaker 1: You can play a long time if you're attack it,

502
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Speaker 1: but you gotta know exactly how you tackling. You gotta

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Speaker 1: tackle low, you gotta tackle and get off the field.

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Speaker 1: What you cannot have on your defense at the NFL level,

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Speaker 1: you can't have cowards on the edges who will not

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Speaker 1: throw themselves into the mix to get guys down. Because

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Speaker 1: if you have someone who doesn't have the courage to

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Speaker 1: do it, it wrecks your defense. And know this from

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Speaker 1: an offensive standpoint. Why our receivers are being instructed to

510
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Speaker 1: leave the corners alone and go dig out the safeties.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna leave the corner unblocked. And that is the

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Speaker 1: running backs man. So if you can't tackle, the ball

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Speaker 1: will tend to find. Yeah, and think about, especially with

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Speaker 1: the Shanahan system, how much tight bunch that you get.

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Speaker 1: And so now you're bringing little guys into the box there,

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Speaker 1: and like you said, we're not blocking the little guys

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Speaker 1: that We'll let the running back deal with him. We

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Speaker 1: can use our receivers go in there and try and

519
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Speaker 1: do some dirty work and double up and peel off linebackers.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna leave that little corner there and see

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Speaker 1: if he wants to set the edge you got. I

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Speaker 1: mean again, you don't have to be you don't have

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Speaker 1: to beat what Jalen Ramsey is when he's torpedo and

524
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Speaker 1: everybody and collecting tackles for loss. But if you can

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Speaker 1: just we call him like the old school, like like

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Speaker 1: the fireman, tackle right, just slide down the pole, hold

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Speaker 1: on to the legs and get him to the grounds. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But DJ is a thing that you have to look at,

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Speaker 1: and it's a thing that needs to be talked about.

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Speaker 1: And I know that doing the run up to the draft,

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Speaker 1: people like, oh, you focused on all these things that

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Speaker 1: don't matter. But what happens when you ignored in the

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Speaker 1: pre draft process and then you get to the main

534
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Speaker 1: camps and training camps and all of a sudden, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't he doesn't didn't want it. You gotta you gotta

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Speaker 1: have and it makes it hard. Yeah, go ahead, I

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Speaker 1: will say this, not the kid, because you got to

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Speaker 1: interview him and then you got to know the temperament

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Speaker 1: of your room and the culture of your because um,

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Speaker 1: as someone who wasn't always the most physical, I ended

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Speaker 1: up being more aggressive and physical in Kansas City because

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Speaker 1: of the level of expectations that everyone knew when it

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Speaker 1: came to a physicality standpoint. Just like you know in Baltimore,

544
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Speaker 1: if you come to the Baltimore Ravens on defense, they

545
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Speaker 1: tolerating a whole lot of miss tackles and and uh,

546
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Speaker 1: non courageous plays. And so you have to know that,

547
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Speaker 1: and you have to make sure that either he has

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Speaker 1: the character and the mindset and the mentality to be

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Speaker 1: able to kind of up it a little bit, or

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Speaker 1: you can't bring him in because you're going to be

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Speaker 1: frustrated because he's gonna miss a critical tackle in a

552
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Speaker 1: game that costs you a playoffer. Yeah, I mean, you

553
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Speaker 1: just you can't really play with corners that won't tackle anymore.

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Speaker 1: You just can't. Like you just you can't survive out there.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna get exposed where it used to be. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, look, there's ten other guys to get the

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Speaker 1: guy in the ground I and go cover somebody that

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Speaker 1: This is not the way the game is anymore. Man,

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Speaker 1: It's just it's just not No, it's not. It's a

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00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: different thing. You'd better be able to tackle, all right,

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Speaker 1: and anything else you want to add here, Buck before

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Speaker 1: we jump out of here. Now, I love the discussion.

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Speaker 1: I love the discussion on attackling because it does come up,

564
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Speaker 1: and it's one of the things where when you're scouting

565
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Speaker 1: you can get seduced into watching the touch tape TBS

566
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Speaker 1: covering who catches balls or whatever, but you better watch

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Speaker 1: them in a full game to see how engaged they

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Speaker 1: are in the run defense process, because it's a huge

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Speaker 1: part of um building team. You've gotta be able to

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Speaker 1: stuff to run. You gotta have quins that can do it.

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Speaker 1: Do you tackle on practice as a high school coach? Now?

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Speaker 1: I know everything is different, but what do you do? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we we tackle, but we're more of the the Dartmouth

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Speaker 1: approach a little bit like it's a controlled tackling. But

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Speaker 1: we tackled every day. We tackle all summer, we tackle

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Speaker 1: in the spring. We tackle all the time. Bodies own

577
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Speaker 1: bodies because the technique, but we don't necessarily bang that

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Speaker 1: we used to do in yesteryear. But you have to tackle.

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Speaker 1: You want to be a good tackling team, you gotta tackle.

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Speaker 1: You tackle all the time. Yeah, that's interesting, man, I

581
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: know some um some high schools they just don't they

582
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: don't do it. You know, they's don't tackle anymore. So

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Speaker 1: it's funny. I'm really impacted a couple of different things.

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Speaker 1: One but e tevs and all the stuff that they

585
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Speaker 1: were doing at Dartmounth. I thought it was really smart

586
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: how they did it. But secondly, when we interviewed Joe

587
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: Montana on the podcast, Joe Montana talked about the number

588
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Speaker 1: one goal is to get people to gain a fresh

589
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: and ready to go, high energy, high tempo whatever. And

590
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Speaker 1: I remember being in Green Bay and coach Mike Mike

591
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Speaker 1: Home had a similar philosophy, and so I was like, hmm,

592
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Speaker 1: we will work hard, we will play hard. Yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I appreciate you guys hanging with us

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Speaker 1: today again. I hope this this episode in that topic

595
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: on the Bengals proves that if you reach out to

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Speaker 1: us and tell us, hey, we want to hear more

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00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: about this or that or the other, we're listening. We

598
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Speaker 1: got our ears open. So appreciate you guys hanging with

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Speaker 1: us again. The TV show next Monday, you can find

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Speaker 1: that that is three pm Eastern, twelve Pacific. You can

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Speaker 1: find the movie Sticks show with Bucking myself and Reet

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Speaker 1: Lewis um And the feedback was good week ones, everything

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Speaker 1: went well there. So appreciate you guys hanging with us,

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Speaker 1: we'll catch you next time. Right here on, move the

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