1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Caf I am six forty. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 3: I'm here for a couple of days doing the work 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 3: of two people getting paid for one, and that just 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: doesn't seem right to me. But that's the deal I 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: agree to. So here, we are lots to talk about today. 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 3: We'll give you a chance to win some money later on, 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: as we always do, later on this hour. What if 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: we had an election and nobody voter? Remember that? What 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 3: if they had a war and nobody fought. Well, what 12 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: if we had an election nobody voted. While LA is 13 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 3: in the process of doing exactly that. Got an update 14 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: on the LAPD email homeless scandal. Steve Gregory will be 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: with us. But a big, big story in the news 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 3: has broken. Actually, before I get to that real quick, 17 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 3: because this is breaking as we speak. A jury has 18 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 3: acquitted that deputy down in Florida who failed to confront 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: the Parkland gunman. His name is also Scott Peterson, not 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 3: the manure salesman, the fertilizer salesman from years ago up 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 3: in the Bay Area. This is the Broward County Sharf's 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 3: deputy who did not go into Park and when all 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: those poor kids were gunned down. And I'm sure the 24 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 3: fact that he was acquitted is good news for all 25 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 3: the avaldi of police officers who did exactly the same, 26 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: maybe even worse. So we'll follow up on that. Of course, 27 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 3: the news department is on that story. But what broke 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 3: earlier today is a landmark, an extraordinarily important Supreme Court decision. 29 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: The Supreme Court went negative on affirmative action, and to 30 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 3: talk to us about the who, what, when, where, why 31 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 3: and how of this is the best in the business. 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 3: Legal alist, Royal Oaks, Royal, How are you? 33 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 4: I'm doing great, Dougan. Before we talk firmative action, I 34 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 4: got to say, if you're serious about this business, you 35 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 4: know you should be paid for two people. I could 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 4: represent you in a lawsuit and we can make it 37 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 4: a class action because you're a classy guy. 38 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: Oh look at you. That's good. 39 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: That's why you're the best in the business. You start 40 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: come right out of the box, kissing up, kissing ass 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 3: of the host. 42 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: That's very smart policy. 43 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 4: This affirmative action decision, doug was. I think it was 44 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 4: pretty much expected because during the oral argument of months ago, 45 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 4: while Chief Justice Roberts and several of the other conservatives 46 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 4: just blasted away at the advocates for affirmative action, and 47 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 4: this opinion is consistent with that. Basically, it says it 48 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 4: is illegal under the fourteenth Amendment, which says you got 49 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 4: to have equal protection of the law, and racial discrimination 50 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 4: is a violation of that. And for years, yeah, the 51 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: courts have looked the other way and said, well, no quotas. 52 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 4: But as long as it's just one factor, diversity is 53 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 4: really important. This court is saying, no, diversity is not 54 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 4: important enough to justify racial discrimination. 55 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: Now, this suit originated because of Harvard University and UNC 56 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: North Carolina, and it was brought by some Asian American students, 57 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: and the Supreme Court actually refused to hear a case 58 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 3: not that long ago when it was brought by a 59 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: white student. 60 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 4: But the. 61 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: Premise seems to be that the Asian students were making 62 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: an argument that they are being discriminated against because the 63 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: colleges and universities are creating paths for particularly African American 64 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: and Hispanic students at the expense of qualified Asian students. 65 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 4: Exactly right, And there were some dramatic examples of the 66 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 4: reduction in Asian student body members in various schools, especially 67 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 4: elite schools. And you know they student organization, as you say, 68 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: was allowed to sue. And they make an analogy. They said, 69 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: back in the twenties, when the law firms and schools 70 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 4: didn't want Jews, they said, well, we're not just going 71 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: to look at grades, We're going to look at you know, 72 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 4: the whole character angle. And that was criticized then and 73 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 4: now the same rational is used to criticize this. But man, Doug, 74 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: this was an emotional decision that came out, as you 75 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: know from seeing the wire reports here, two of the 76 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 4: justices actually read their opinions aloud, or at least summaries 77 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 4: Clarence Thomas and Sonya Soda My and Soda Mayor. She 78 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 4: said that, yeah, the opinion says that maybe it'll be 79 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: okay to consider an applicant's discussion of how race affected 80 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 4: the applicant's life. But then she labeled that like putting 81 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 4: lipstick on a pig. So this is the high emotion 82 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 4: there on the High Court. 83 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 3: We're talking with Leil Alis Royal, Oaks Royal. The fact 84 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: that Soe Mayor and Alana Kagan and Clarence Thomas in particular, 85 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: I mean they went to the same They both went 86 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: to gael University around the same time, and they had 87 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: very very different responses to affirmative action programs. And Clarence 88 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: Thomas actually wrote about this in his memoir that came 89 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: out about ten twelve years ago, and makes no secret 90 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: of the fact that he's always been hostile to this. 91 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 3: He thinks it hurts minorities, specifically African Americans, that people 92 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: look askance at people get into medical schools with affirmative 93 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: action programs. So there was no way in the world 94 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: that this case was ever going to be anything but 95 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 3: honestly emotional. And of course we're seeing it and it 96 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 3: brings up the issue of settled law in America. We 97 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: saw this with the Roe v. Wade decision being overturned 98 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 3: by the same conservative court, that what we have called 99 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: settled law is only settled until another court unsettles it. 100 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, And you know, it goes way back 101 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 4: to the Brown versus Board of Education decision, as you suggest, 102 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 4: for centuries, the idea of overturning a big important decision, 103 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 4: it's a real hill to climb. But you know, just 104 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 4: as plus E versus Ferguson in the eighteen hundred said, well, 105 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: separate but equal is okay. Brown versus Board of Education 106 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 4: said forget that, we're totally tossing that president, and they 107 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 4: ended school the segregation. In last few decades, that wall 108 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: has been coming down. So now we see Roe versus 109 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 4: way gone. And in this case, for example, Doug, there 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 4: wasn't much discussion about how it's really really hard to 111 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 4: overturn past approval of affirmative action in schools. Instead, the 112 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 4: court just came out and said, you know, we've looked 113 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 4: at it, and we just don't think it's right. It's 114 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 4: chief just Roberts for years has been saying the way 115 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 4: to solve racial discrimination is not to racially discriminate, and 116 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 4: he assigned the opinion to himself, and so he was 117 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 4: speaking for the sixth member of majority. 118 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: Real quick, Royle, how does this impact historically black colleges 119 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: like Grambling or Howard University, etc. 120 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 4: Well, there shouldn't be any impact in the sense that 121 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 4: they still will be allowed to make decisions based on 122 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 4: how race affected an applicant's life. And similarly, people are wondering, 123 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 4: ge is this going to mean no diversity rules in hiring? 124 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 4: Not for now, in the future, the same court might 125 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 4: take it up, but as for now, the EEOC and 126 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: other federal agencies say, yeah, we don't like racial discrimination, 127 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: but diversity is so important in hiring. It's okay, it's 128 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: not illegal to do that. 129 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: All right, Royle, We'll have much more to say on this. 130 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: Thanks for being with us. Always appreciate it. 131 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: Folks. 132 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: Stay with us. We're going to talk about what this 133 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: means for America, including the political repercussions coming up. Will 134 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: also give you a chance to win some money later 135 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: on the lap the emails, and don't forget you can 136 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 3: always listen to KFI six ' forty live everywhere on 137 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,239 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app on McIntyre in for John and Ken. 138 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: This is KFI more Stimulating talk radio. 139 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 140 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 141 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: All right, let's get back. We talked with Royal Oaks 142 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: with sort of the who, what, one, where, why and 143 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: how of the Supreme Court decision going negative on affirmative action. 144 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: Affirmative action has been the law of the land for 145 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: about forty years, and it has always been criticized by 146 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: its opponents as the sort of racial justice equivalent of 147 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: a famous phrase from the Vietnam War era. There was 148 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: apocryphal story. I don't know that it actually anybody actually 149 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 3: said this, but allegedly, purportedly, there was a soldier after 150 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: a Vietnamese village had been had been torched, burned to 151 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: the ground, allegedly said, in order to save the village, 152 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: we had to destroy the village. And opponents of affirmative 153 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: action have always argued that in order to end racial discrimination, 154 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: we are practicing racial discrimination, because you know, when you 155 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 3: get to the bottom line, if you are saying that 156 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: we're going to give preferential treatment to one special class 157 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: of people because of previous discrimination, because there's a limited 158 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: number of seats in colleges and universities, inevitably what happens 159 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: is those seats now get filled are not filled by 160 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 3: somebody who would have qualified under different circumstances. And this 161 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: suit was brought by a group of Asian student Asian 162 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: American students whose grades were higher, et cetera, et cetera, 163 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: that made the case that they did not get into 164 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: colleges and universities because of the policies that were discriminatory 165 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: under the Fourteenth Amendment, the Equal Protection Clause and the 166 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 3: conservative majority on the Court agreed, and this isn't much 167 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: of a surprise. It was a sixty three decision, by 168 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: the way, and this is not much of a surprise. 169 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 3: John Roberts has basically been advocating for this for years. 170 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 3: Clarence Thomas has written about it. There's been no secret 171 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 3: which way the Court was headed on this. Now it's 172 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: an enormously emotional decision. It goes right to the original 173 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 3: sin of America. There's two original sins that this great 174 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 3: country was founded on. One was chattel slavery, and the 175 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: other was the removal of the indigenous people, the first nations, 176 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: the Native Americans. Those two are festering wounds and there's 177 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 3: no way to ever undo them. 178 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: They're part of the American story. 179 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 3: Affirmative action was intended to try to redress some of 180 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: the wrongs that historically Blacks as Jews previously had been 181 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: essentially barred from prestigious universities, and they created many of 182 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: their own Brandeis University, et cetera, et cetera. Well, African 183 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: Americans ultimately did the same thing with Grambling, with Howard 184 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: University and other predominantly black universities because they weren't allowed 185 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: into white universities. But you'd have to be really naive 186 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: not to understand that if you can get into Harvard, 187 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 3: you can get into the really top schools. There's a 188 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: whole world that opens up to you of opportunity just 189 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 3: by being in that social orbit, by having that brand 190 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 3: attached to your resume when you go into the marketplace. 191 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 3: And that was denied for most of our history to 192 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 3: people of color. So affirmative action may have been practicing 193 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: racism in a literal sense, but it was for a 194 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: higher purpose to address and historic wrong. The question has 195 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3: been is it time to end it? Have we reached 196 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: a point of a quality where people are judged on 197 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: the quality of the content of their character, not the 198 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 3: color of their skin. To quote Martin Luther King, You 199 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 3: know the way symphony orchestras frequently will audition musicians behind 200 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: a screen so that you're in silhouette, like the Witness 201 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: Protection program. One of those people with the gobbel voice 202 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: that they put on sixty minutes so they don't get 203 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: whacked by potent or somebody else, And they would audition 204 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: as violinister, an oboel player would audition behind a screen, 205 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: and that way you didn't know male, female, You didn't 206 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: know what race. You just heard the notes. Well, if 207 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: only we were that color blind and that open minded 208 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: to just base people on the what they bring to 209 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 3: the table. But colleges, as everybody know, anybody's been to 210 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 3: college knows that there's legacy picks. If dad's name is 211 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: on a building, there's a pretty good chance they're gonna 212 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 3: let you in. If the check is big enough, they're 213 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 3: gonna let you in. So there's all kinds of wild 214 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: cards that can go into why somebody gets picked and 215 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: why somebody doesn't get picked as a member of a 216 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: freshman class going into a prestigious university or a law school, 217 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: medical school. So now the question is what does this 218 00:11:55,080 --> 00:12:00,119 Speaker 3: mean going forward? It's hard to imagine, given how how 219 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: liberal leaning, woke, if you will, modern American colleges and 220 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: universities are, it's hard to imagine that they're going to 221 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, become exclusive of people 222 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: of color. Now, are there safeguards? The affirmative action programs 223 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 3: codified by law made sure that if a person of 224 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: color from it predominantly or historically discriminated against group did 225 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: not enter a university with qualifications. Then there was redress 226 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 3: because the law said that they created a path for 227 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: people to have this opportunity. With that removed now it 228 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: probably opens up a whole new spectrum of legal challenges 229 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 3: over who gets in and who doesn't get in. I mean, 230 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: we saw when we went through, you know, the whole 231 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: USC cheating scandal with you know, kids the mom and 232 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,119 Speaker 3: dad buy their way into USC with phony athletic scholarships, 233 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. We've seen all kinds of backroom 234 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 3: methods of people getting their kids, including unqualified kids, into 235 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 3: prominent universities. And you know, going to college has become 236 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 3: something of a particularly a middle class fetish, where you 237 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 3: see parents put so much pressure on their kids that 238 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 3: if they don't get into the right school, somehow their 239 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: life is ruined. And I'd like to point out it's 240 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: not because there's plenty of fools we have gone to college. 241 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 3: College is a wonderful thing. University is a wonderful thing 242 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: for people coming from poor communities, historically discriminated against communities. 243 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: College is a path out that can lift an entire 244 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: family for many, many people in modern America, people have 245 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 3: been going to college in great numbers since the sixties. 246 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: Essentially since the nineteen sixties, so for forty fifty years now. 247 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: A lot of families have second even third generation college students. 248 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 3: My brother and I and my we were the first 249 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: in our family to go to college. But we're older, 250 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 3: so that explains that. But younger people, it's not uncommon 251 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: for them to go to colleges. Whether they start in 252 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: community colleges to save some dough and then move on 253 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: and transferred to more prestigious or more prominent four year schools, etc. 254 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 3: Is neither here nor there. But for millions and millions 255 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 3: of Americans, this was unthinkable. So affirmative action was a 256 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 3: way of redressing that. A case can be made and 257 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 3: was made that in doing so, we are now discriminating 258 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: against other groups of people who are qualified to be 259 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: in school. So the Supreme Court has made the decision. 260 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: The fallout is going to be political. We saw the 261 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: fallout in the midterm elections over Roe v. Way when 262 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court undid that settled law with elections having consequences. 263 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: With a very conservative Supreme Court majority, it cost the 264 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: Republicans in the midterm elections. We will see shortly in 265 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. How this decision impacts the presidential election. 266 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: Joe Biden. Of course, President Biden came down condemned it, 267 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: Republicans are praising it, and it's ultimately going to get 268 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: settled at the ballot box in the next election cycle. 269 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: It's one twenty seven. Let's get some news. McEntire Infant 270 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: John and Ken. This is KFI Live everywhere on the 271 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: IHARP radio app. 272 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 273 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 274 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: Next hour, we're going to get into this latest LAPD scandal, 275 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: these emails that were found over these homeless encampments. Steve 276 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: Gregory will also be in here to talk to us 277 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 3: about that, and we got lots of stuff to talk about, 278 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: including dumb debts. So there's lots of things to talk 279 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 3: about this morning, and the first thing we want to 280 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: talk about is this email scandal going on. So there 281 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 3: was a homeless encampment that was supposed to be busted up, 282 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: and it was supposed to be taken out in Shadow 283 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: Ranch Park. It was supposed to be taken out Thursday, 284 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 3: as in today, and that went sideways because this email 285 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: from an LAPD officer was found out by a critic 286 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: of the LAPD at film the Police La Twitter account, 287 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: and it said everyone will be arrested and their belongings 288 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 3: will be taken away by sanitation. According to the email, 289 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: as always, do not approach these individuals experiencing homelessness. The 290 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: email from the senior lead officer said, I want to 291 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: make sure all are there at the encampment on the 292 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: twenty nine so I can arrest them. This is a 293 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: hush hush task force. Well then, of course everybody started 294 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: clutching their pearls when this one public. LAPD Chief Michael 295 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: Morre said it's highly appropriate. LA Mayor Karen Bess says, 296 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: I was horrified by the email to talk to us 297 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 3: about this and get into all the nitty gritty. Let's 298 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: welcome aboard kfi's Steve Gregory, Steve Doug. 299 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: Great to see you, man. It's been a long time. 300 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 3: It has but I feel like I was trapped in 301 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: a tomb or something like that and then suddenly came 302 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 3: back from the dead because I'm reading all these people 303 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: I worked with, Ray Lopez and all these people I 304 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 3: worked with the years ago in radio, and somehow they're 305 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: still employed and I'm not. 306 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, not the way. It's kind of like 307 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: a wildfire. 308 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: The house next to you will burn to the ground 309 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: and yours completely goes unscathed. 310 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: Same kind of thing. 311 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 3: So what about this? You know, here's the takeaway. Obviously, 312 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 3: anytime you're an LAPD officer and you're sending out secret 313 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 3: emails and saying, hey, this is hush shash, you know 314 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: that you're not supposed to be doing that. But all 315 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: of us have wrestled with this homeless issue for how 316 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 3: many years now, it just gets worse and worse and worse, 317 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: and it really does seem like society is paralyzed to 318 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 3: actually do anything about the problem. 319 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: You know, first of all, I don't know that it 320 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: was a secret email, and it's been characterized as a 321 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: secret email. The email went to members of the public 322 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: and business owners in the Tapanga Division area. And these 323 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: business owners whom some are now nicknaming them, you know, 324 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: people experiencing homelessness is that's what the LPED refers to, 325 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 2: the homeless, and some people are talking about business owners 326 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: experiencing frustration the beefs. So you've got these business owners 327 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: and these members of the public that are frustrated. This 328 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 2: Brittany Gutietez is a brand new senior lead officer. She's 329 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: only been an SLO or a slow for short, a 330 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: very short time over in that division. And the email 331 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: she sent out was in response to the feedback she 332 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: was getting from the business owners and the residents, mostly residents, 333 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: of their frustration of these encampments and they continue to 334 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: stay there. I think the issue is here in talking 335 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: to people in the department. So much wasn't that the 336 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: email went out. It was the tenor of the language. 337 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it was really, you know, the style of 338 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 2: the language and and you know, I'm going to arrest 339 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: them if everything in that email that was posted online. 340 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 2: Let's be very clear here has not verified that what 341 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: you see on social media was indeed what she wrote. 342 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: We're not getting the actual email from anybody yet. It's 343 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: only been posted on one social media account that I 344 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: can tell, and. 345 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: That's a social media account that's highly critical of the LAPD. 346 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 3: Now and one of the provocative phrases is this is 347 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: a hush hush task force. 348 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: Right, And there's no such thing as a hush hush 349 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 2: task force in the LAPD when it comes to the 350 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: homeless issues. It's the cleanup operations have been going on 351 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: for a long time, and the LAPD does not clean 352 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: up homeless camps. 353 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: That's not their job. 354 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: Their job is to stand by and offer security for 355 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: the LA Department of Sanitation who does the cleanup effort, 356 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: and also provide security for the homeless outreach groups that 357 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: show up, whether they're the NGOs or whether they're part 358 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: of the LAPD's MEU, whatever the case is, the LAPD 359 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: does not execute cleanup. 360 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: Now, well, this may we may be getting into language 361 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: again here because the term cleanup could not be taken 362 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: is not necessarily literal in the sense that they're out 363 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 3: there with brooms and hoses, but cleaning up meaning we're 364 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 3: removing the people. 365 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: The tents, the you know, the debris, the tents, the 366 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: build up, the you know, all of the hoarding. 367 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 1: That is a big part of it, because it's also 368 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: a health issue. 369 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of times where you've got 370 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: outbreaks of different disease and animals and vermin and all 371 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: that are gathering in these spots because a lot of 372 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 2: food is there, you know, the heat and all that too. 373 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 2: And then on top of that, you've got the care 374 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 2: and well being of the homeless individual. So their charge 375 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: is to go in and say, listen, we've got to 376 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 2: find you alternate space because this isn't working out well. 377 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: This has always been the problem. And to talk about 378 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: Steve Gregory, of course KFI is Steve Gregory. And going 379 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 3: back to when jam Perry was on the La City 380 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 3: Council and she pushed a bill through the city Council 381 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: that essentially it was probably a resolution that decriminalized sleeping 382 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 3: on the sidewalks, right with the famous aphorism that it's 383 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 3: not a crime to be poor, and it's not, but 384 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 3: it is a crime to be pooping on the streets. 385 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: It is a crime to be setting fires and doorways, 386 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: it is a crime to be squatting in to using 387 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 3: public streets as a toilet and creating a public health hazard. 388 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: And this has always been the problem that we've had. 389 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 3: On the one hand, you have a legitimate concern for 390 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 3: the well being of people who are broken, broken souls, 391 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: who either because of family connections, are broken or drug 392 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 3: or alcohol abuse or mental issues that have literally ended 393 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 3: up on the sidewalks of one of America's largest cities 394 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 3: in great numbers. And we're going to get later on today, 395 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 3: We're going to get the new census on homeless numbers, 396 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 3: and we'll go over that in the third hour, But 397 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 3: so that you get that issue, which is a legitimate issue, 398 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: and many people are very concerned about that and struggle 399 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: with dealing with those intractable problems. And then you have 400 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 3: the legitimate concerns of residents and neighbors and pedestrians and 401 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: business owners who have to navigate and try to deal 402 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 3: with all the pressures of modern society while running a 403 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 3: sort of you know, really a field of zombie like despair. 404 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 3: And it's embarrassing. I mean, you drive around the city 405 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: of Los Angeles and many are cities. This isn't just 406 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 3: an LA problem, obviously, but this is what we're trying 407 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: to somehow negotiate. And the cops find themselves as the 408 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 3: point people almost all the time. 409 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: Right, and they're expected to be part counselor part psychiatrists, 410 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 2: part medical doctor, part cop. They're expected now the pressures 411 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: that are on law enforcement now are just unbelievable. But 412 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: to this email, if indeed the language in there is 413 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: verbatim what this woman wrote, then you know that I 414 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: can understand why people would take issue with that, because 415 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: it's a it's a very aggressively written email, and for 416 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: her to say, don't say anything because I want to 417 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: be able to arrest all of them, it's I don't 418 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: know if that was her attempt at showing action. That's 419 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: the way we kind of characterized to me because she 420 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: is fairly new in that role, fairly new promoted into 421 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: that role of senior lead officer. And for those that 422 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: don't understand what a slow does, that is the liaison 423 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: between the department and a specific community. So that senior 424 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: lead officer will go out along with other officers and 425 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: they will make contact with businesses and community leaders, the 426 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: neighborhood council, and they will become the liaison between LAPD 427 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: and the community. And it's their job to hear grievances, 428 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 2: it's their job to take action and make things happen 429 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: on behalf of the community. And this the way it 430 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 2: was characterized to me again, is this officer Gutietis was 431 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 2: trying to basically assure them that she was taking action. 432 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 3: So if the language was a little rougher than modern 433 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 3: society and the City of Los Angeles would prefer, it 434 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 3: may have been as a sop to the community who 435 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 3: was asking, begging for relief from a real problem, and 436 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 3: you know the issue. It also brings up the idea 437 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 3: that we're going to arrest our way out of the 438 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: problem is also a fact to me that's as big 439 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 3: a fallacy as we're going to build our way out 440 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 3: of the problem, because we have no place to put people. 441 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 4: You know. 442 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: And I don't want to go two off base here, 443 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 2: but I'm working a story right now where the VA. 444 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: I just got a call from a law firm that's 445 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 2: suing the VA after the numbers came out today, the 446 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: homeless numbers, because there's a twelve percent increase in the 447 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: number of homeless veterans in Los Angeles. And the reason 448 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 2: they're upset is because there was a settlement agreed to 449 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen between this law firm and the VA 450 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: to to produce housing on the massive campus over there 451 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: in Westwood, and they were supposed to do that starting 452 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen. They were supposed to make seven hundred beds, 453 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 2: you know, housing for seven hundred beds for homeless veterans 454 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty eight acres over there, and there's 455 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 2: not been one bed installed over there since twenty fifteen. 456 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: And so now they've got us after the numbers came 457 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 2: out today and said this is this is enough. You've 458 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: seen what a ten percent in increase overall the homeless 459 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: in general, but now there's a twelve percent increase in 460 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: veterans just based on the numbers that came out today. 461 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 3: Well, it's you know, every time we discussed this issue, 462 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 3: we've been talking about for decades now it's accelerated. The 463 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: problem of accelerated. And you get back to something that's 464 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 3: really at the heart of it. Every human being who 465 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: ends up on the street got there through a different path, 466 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: and everybody who gets off the street comes off in 467 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: a different path. And I think the social service agencies 468 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 3: say that it takes seven an average seventeen points of 469 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 3: contact from social workers, from police, from somebody before they 470 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: can get somebody to even get into a shelter. And 471 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: then you've got to unpeel the onion of all of 472 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 3: the layers of abuse and damage that has happened in 473 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: order to rehabilitate an individual. It's extraordinarily labor intensive, and 474 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 3: there's a lot of tools that are missing from the 475 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 3: legal toolbox. 476 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: You can't just take people off the street. 477 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: And that's provided that that consenting adult wants help. That's right, 478 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 2: and that's provided if that consenting adult will get, you know, 479 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: get in the car with you and go to a 480 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: shelter and give up their alcohol, their drugs, their pet 481 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: and all of their all of their belongings. Right and 482 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 2: if not, it's a cycle, vicious cycle. Well, the beat 483 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 2: goes on. Steve Gregory, thanks so much for being able 484 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: to appreciate it. As always, when we come back, we're 485 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 2: going to talk about the city council race where nobody votes, 486 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 2: and much more right here on kf I AM six 487 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: forty Live Everywhere and on the iHeartRadio app. 488 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 489 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 490 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 3: Coming up next hour, We're going to get into a 491 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: couple of other stories. Of course, we'll keep our eye 492 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: and get back to the affirmative action case because that's 493 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 3: a huge one. It's an historic case. We're going to 494 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 3: talk about that homeless census that Steve Gregory mentioned. We've 495 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: got new numbers on that give a chance to win 496 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 3: some money. And fourth of July travel Hell. I just 497 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 3: got back on Tuesday night from I flew back from Newark, 498 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 3: New Jersey, I'm going to talk about that trip and 499 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 3: what that's like. 500 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 5: Hey. 501 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 3: Also, by the way, in shameless self promotion, I've got 502 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: a book coming out. It's called Frank's Shadow. I'm very 503 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: proud of it. It's available for pre order now. But 504 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: on July eighteenth, I will be at the Barnes and 505 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 3: Noble at the Grove right there with the farmers Market 506 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: from seven to nine. Please come out. We'll do a reading, 507 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 3: in a signing and get to meet in person. July 508 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: twenty second at Gatsby's in Long Beach at noon. On 509 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: the twenty sixth, they'll be at Pages, a bookstore in 510 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 3: Manhattan Beach at six point thirty. August second, Barnes and 511 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 3: Noble at the Irvine Spectrum, and August ninth at Roman's 512 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: in Pasadena with my lovely bride, Penny Peyser with her 513 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: book Sonnets from Suburbia. Okay, so all of that promotion 514 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 3: out of the way. What if we had an election 515 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 3: and no one voted. We're getting pretty close to that here, 516 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 3: not just in southern California. I saw in New York 517 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: they had a primary election on Tuesday, and they estimate 518 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: that five percent of the registered voters showed up to 519 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: vote five percent. You know, back in the Vietnam War era, 520 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 3: there was a phrase that went about the war, what 521 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: if there were you know, felt banners that very very 522 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: you know, connected and sensitive people would put up in 523 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 3: their apartments near their bean bag chairs and their bonds, 524 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: and they would say, what if there was a war 525 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 3: and no one fought? Well, what if there was an 526 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 3: election and no one voted? Right now, Mlda Padilla is 527 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 3: in the pole position to win that seat formerly held 528 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: by Nori Martinez, who, of course resigned in October after 529 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 3: she was caught on tape behaving like an LA City 530 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: council person, backstabbing all of her colleagues, including their children, 531 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 3: with racial overtones, and sitting at the La County Federation 532 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 3: of Labor offices and carving up councilmanic districts to perpetuate 533 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 3: her own power. So in the special election, Padia is 534 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 3: ahead of alcara Is with six six hundred and eighty 535 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: four votes, which is fifty six point seven percent to 536 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 3: Alcira's five ninety six votes or forty three point three percent. 537 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: And this represents about thirteen percent of registered voters now 538 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 3: compared to New York's five percent. That's like wow, wow, 539 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 3: that's like, you know, Trump versus Biden in twenty twenty 540 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: four or twenty twenty Excuse me, So why is the 541 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: voter turnout so low? And it is really microscopic. And 542 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 3: LA City Council district has a population approximately the same 543 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: size as Cincinnati, Ohio. Cincinnati, Ohio has a Major League 544 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: Baseball tape each LA City Council. There's only fifteen of them, 545 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: four of them, by the way, I've been arrested. There's 546 00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: only fifteen of them. And they represent enormous pop basis, 547 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,239 Speaker 3: representing huge swaths of the city, and yet when it 548 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 3: comes to actually voting for them, almost nobody does. Now 549 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 3: I know part of the reason, and this particular election 550 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 3: is we're on the eve of the fourth of July. 551 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: It's getting hot, it's a special election, it's a one 552 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 3: off in this one district. Nobody knows who the hell 553 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 3: these people are. And we keep having these special elections 554 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 3: because our city councilors keep getting arrested and having to 555 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: resign for some kind of criminality or inappropriate behavior, and 556 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 3: then the taxpayers are stock picking up the tab for 557 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 3: another election. I would so like to see a law 558 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: pass that says if you get kicked off of the 559 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 3: city council or any elected office, any elected office, I 560 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: don't care if you're a state assembly, mis state senator, 561 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 3: or a United States senator. If you resign to run 562 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: for a higher office because you have ambitions and you 563 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 3: leave your post early, resulting in a special election, or 564 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: you get kicked off because you've been arrested and convicted 565 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 3: of some crime and now we have to have another 566 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: election to replace you. You have to pay for the election. 567 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 3: You got to pick up all the costs because it's 568 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: not cheap. It's really not. So people are burned out, 569 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 3: they're electioned out. It seems like we're either constantly getting 570 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 3: ready for an election cycle or recovering from the previous 571 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: election cycle. You know, two seconds after the midterms, people 572 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 3: start talking about the presidential election, and then as soon 573 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 3: as that one's over, they start talking about the midterms. 574 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 3: That it never ends in the twenty four hour news cycle. 575 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 3: But it's tragic that we don't pay more attention to 576 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 3: these local elections. And it doesn't matter whether you live 577 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 3: in Orange County or Riverside, wherever you live. The local 578 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 3: politicians live largely in anonymity. There's a couple of gadflies 579 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: and community activists who are plugged into everything that they do, 580 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 3: but the vast majority of people are just so busy 581 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 3: leading their lives and going about their business that the 582 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: local government largely operates in a vacuum. We're in total darkness, 583 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 3: and the only thing that grows in darkness are mushrooms 584 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 3: and corruption. And that's where we're at in the city 585 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 3: of Los Angeles. It's a national embarrassment. It should be anyway, 586 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 3: if anyone will pay attention to it. When Eric Arcetti's 587 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 3: nomination to be the ambassador to India was being held 588 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 3: up by Chuck Grassley of Iowa over what he did 589 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 3: or didn't know about this creepy guy who was a 590 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 3: bundler for him with sexual harassment allegations, no one raised 591 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 3: the real reason his nomination should have been rejected. He 592 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 3: was a city council president and the mayor of a 593 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 3: city with the city councils being hauled away in airport 594 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 3: shuttle vans. There's so many of them getting arrested, and 595 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 3: they're all Sergeant Shultz, Herb West and the former city 596 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: council president. I know nothing. I didn't see anything. Well, 597 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 3: you're running the show. You mean to tell me you 598 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 3: didn't know this was going on, please, Jose Wezar can't 599 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 3: fire without Herb West and knowing what was going on. 600 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 3: So I mean, it's just, you know, they all pretend like, yeah, 601 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 3: you know. There's a great Laurel and Hardy movie, a 602 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: classic silent comedy called The Fight of the Century. We're 603 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 3: standing and Ali start a pie fight and it spreads 604 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 3: through an entire city, and the last scene is Stanin 605 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: Ali tiptoeing out of town and behind them is a 606 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 3: massive pie fight, people throwing pies up at buildings, down 607 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 3: from buildings, onto the street, throwing pies into horses faces, 608 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 3: and Stanin Ali tiptoe away as if they had nothing 609 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 3: to do with it. And that's what Garcetti and Herb 610 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: West and all these people do. They know what's going 611 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 3: on here. Pay to play is the court a first 612 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 3: resort in the city of Los Angeles, But no one's 613 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 3: paying any attention to it. And part of the reason 614 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: is is that we have failed utterly to teach people 615 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 3: how the process works, you know, civics, And I know 616 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 3: I sound like a dinosaur even bringing up the sea 617 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,719 Speaker 3: words civics, But civics used to be taught in school. 618 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 3: And I know that when I'm watching television and I 619 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 3: get the channel eight hundred and his English rules football, 620 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: and there's you know, rugby tournaments, and there's curling from 621 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 3: Canada where people are out on ice with no skates 622 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 3: in a broom and they throw a rock down the 623 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 3: ice and they know hard. I have no idea what 624 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 3: that is. I fly right past it because I'm not 625 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 3: gonna watch a sport if I don't know how it's played. 626 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: I don't know what the rules of the game are, 627 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 3: so I can't spend any time getting invested in it. Well, 628 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 3: guess what. That's what's happened with politics. Millions and millions 629 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 3: and millions of people across America have no actual working 630 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: knowledge of how any of this works. They just hear 631 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 3: all the yacking. They hear guys like me blothering into 632 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 3: microphones and screaming our heads and pulling our hair out 633 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 3: about something, or they occasionally see something on a social 634 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 3: media thread. But they know that Ryan Seacrest has taking 635 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 3: over a Wheel of Fortune. They know that netflx and 636 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 3: Costco gonna start cracking down on people sharing their membership cards, 637 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 3: and by the way, I'm not knocking that those are 638 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 3: real things in people's lives. They bring joy to your life. 639 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 3: So or you know, if that get you get robbed 640 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 3: of that simple pleasure, you have every right to care 641 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 3: about it. But it should matter who's running the city 642 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: that you live in. It should it should matter who's 643 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 3: running the schools that your kids go to. These people 644 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 3: spend your money, and yet thirteen percent could vote in 645 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 3: this district to replace Nori Martinez five percent in New 646 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 3: York And it really has come down to a situation 647 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 3: where what if we had an election and no one 648 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 3: boughs to vote, and we're getting perilously close to that 649 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 3: one fifty seven right here on talk radio KFI AM 650 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 3: six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 651 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 5: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 652 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 2: You can always hear us live on KFI AM six 653 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 654 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.