1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: It's very very complex, yet also in many ways very simple. 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: In protecting your children, it's not that your child is 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: good or bad. Think of it like this, When your 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: child is at the playground, do you leave them there 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: and go to them all and go shopping. No, because 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: something horrible could happen to them. Online is a new 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: prate playground, and predators are there lurking. I remember telling juries, 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: one jury after the next. Well, what do you believe? 9 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: You believe all the state's witnesses are lying and the 10 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: only person telling the truth is a defendant. Statistically, how 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: does that figure out? What in a trillion? No, it's 12 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: common sense. Everyone's not lying except the defendant. What I'm 13 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: saying now is all of the story as we are 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: brought to you today. Cross education lines, their multicultural lines, 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: they cause cross lines of wealth and privilege, race, gender, 16 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: Children all across the world are being targeted online by predators. 17 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're in a safe neighborhood. It 18 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you have your PhD. It doesn't matter. 19 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: All that matters is if your child is online and 20 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: mine are. And so help me God in heaven, I 21 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: will do what I've got to do to Keep Them Safe. 22 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace it is every parent's nightmare 23 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: your child attacked. And Tonight police say an underage girl 24 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: was kidnapped and raped by a man she met on Snapchat. 25 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: Good evening, I'm Cynthia say either we here's so much 26 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: about the dangers of social media, and for one girl, 27 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: an interaction online led to five days of horror. David 28 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: Gowens is Live and Azel Tonight. David, you talked to 29 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: employees at a KFC who actually helped that young girl. 30 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: Both of them told me quote, we didn't do anything special, 31 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: but Azel police and I'd say their quick actions and 32 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: accurate suspect description helped get that girl back to safety. 33 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: Shannon Kates and Lindsay Sadio said someone walked into their 34 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: Azel KFC store before they opened Monday. She was shaking 35 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: and could barely talk. She looked up and as seen 36 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: all the blood and it's just said help me, Please 37 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: help me. And then she kept looking and she to 38 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: please help me. He's gonna get me, he's gonna find me. 39 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: Please help me. Ran from next stoor. He's next door. 40 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: Azel police say twenty four year old Diamond Marquise Williams 41 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: met the teenager on Snapchat and then kidnapped her from 42 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: her fort Worth home, forcing the girl to tell her 43 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: parents she was okay and saying with friends, and then 44 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: held her for five days. So on Monday, when Williams 45 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,119 Speaker 1: went inside this pawn shop next door, the girl ran 46 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: to Lindsay and Shannon. They locked the door, called nine 47 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: one one and kept the girl closed. Diamond once is 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: charged with aggravated kidnapping an aggravated sexual assault of a child. Tonight, 49 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: the Azel police chief tells me their investigation into Williams 50 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: as far from over and that more charges are possible. 51 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: A parents' worst nightmare. A young girl meets the guy 52 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: on snapchat, is lured and held a hostage for five days, 53 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: being sex assaulted the entire time. And I'm looking at 54 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: Domid Marquis Williams. I'll tell you what if I saw 55 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: that in an alley, I would run the other way 56 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: much less let my children get lured in. But here's 57 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: the kicker. You don't know what's happening. It's all happening 58 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: on line. I mean, see, Grace, this is crime Stories. 59 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You were just hearing 60 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: our friends at WFAA and Azel Texas. That was Cynthia 61 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 1: Cigara and David Going. She lived thanks to Kentucky Fried 62 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: Chicken employees. They locked the doors and call nine one one. 63 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: But how many children, how many girls, how many twains 64 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: never make it home? As a matter of fact, take 65 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: a listen to this. Investigators say, this is Marillio hernandez Vaya. 66 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: Instead of being the teenager he said he was. He's 67 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: twenty seven years old and charged with raping an eleven 68 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: year old girl he met on Snapchat. Police say hernandez 69 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: Vaya went back and forth with a girl on Snapchat 70 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: for a couple of months than Detectives say he took 71 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: an uber from Tacoma to her house in c Tech, 72 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: where he sexually assaulted her, a devastating crime. Her mom 73 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: was willing to talk to us, but asked us not 74 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: to reveal her identity. And I think he knows how 75 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: to manipulate and say the right being, twist the stories 76 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: and lie repeatedly. And there's more kids that wouldn't fall 77 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: for it. And I wouldn't want that on anybody. Investigators 78 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: say the girl's mom came home from work on August 79 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: twenty eighth and found her Nande's Vaya hiding behind some 80 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: luggage in a bedroom. She held the door close, called 81 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: nine to one and waited for officers to arrest him. 82 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: I didn't want this man that take advantage of my 83 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: daughter to have an opportunity to do it again, or 84 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: hearn some other way, or make life harder than it 85 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: is already. Can you even imagine coming home and there's 86 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: a grown man hiding in your home who has allured 87 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: your eleven year old child on Snapchat, takes an uber 88 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: to the home and sex assaults the little girl. That 89 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: was our friend Alison Grande at k I R O 90 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: seven that was in c Tech, Washington. We've gone from 91 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: Texas now to Washington. Your backyard maybe the next spot again. 92 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace's Crime Stories. Thank you for being with me, 93 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: an all star panel here to fill you in on 94 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: what's happening right now in your home. Detective rich was Stocky, 95 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: child crime expert, President of be Sure Consulting and Detective 96 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: was Stocky has just launched cyber Parenting Dash one O 97 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: one dot com. Doctor free hes Pediatric emergency Medicine, child 98 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: safety expert, founder of pettymom dot com that is a 99 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: child safety website. Brian Basin, the CEO of Bark Bark. 100 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: You may not have heard of it, but I sure have. 101 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: He is a tech expert and joining me right now, 102 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: a colleague and a friend, the CMO chief Marketing Officer, 103 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: chief Parenting Officer. I like that name. I'm going to 104 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: give that name to myself. Titania, Jordan, Tatania, you and 105 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: I had a really long talk where I revealed to 106 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: you my love for Bark Bark as in woof, woof, 107 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 1: it's it's let me just say it in regular people talk. 108 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: I'm not a tech expert like you and Brian Basin. 109 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor like free Hess, a detective like 110 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: Rich Wistocky. What bark is? Um, it's a program. I 111 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: have it on my phone, my husband has it, and 112 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: it's connected to all my children's devices. And for instance, 113 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: the other day, I get an alert. I get alerts 114 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: all the time. I read them every time that there 115 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: is troubling, troubling incident on John David's phone and I 116 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: have to log in to see it and what it was. 117 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: John David had been playing soccer and had tried to 118 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: get a ball and went through the soccer net with 119 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: one arm and kind of under his armpit, between his 120 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: armpit and his elbow on the inside, he got a 121 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: big black bruise, and of course I don't know why 122 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: he did this. He took a picture of it and 123 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: sent it to some of his friends on a soccer team. 124 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: This is what happened today on the playground, and BARK 125 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: picked up that picture of a bruise and it came 126 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: back as quote self harming or violence. I think it was. 127 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: That is how sensitive the BARK program is. If they 128 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: even get a song that has damn in it or 129 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: shizzle or it picks it up. I spend a lot 130 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: of time reading everything BARK alerts me too. First of all, 131 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: how did you get involved in BARK? What is it 132 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: and what does it seek to prevent? Oh my gosh, Nancy, Well, 133 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm just so grateful for the opportunity to be here 134 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: with you and share the message of BARK with everyone listening. Um, 135 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: you asked how I got involved. I truly believe it's 136 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: by the grace of God. Thankfully I was in the 137 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: space and tech and you know, I'm glad you said that, Datonia. 138 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. In the media business, you 139 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: say something like God or Christ it's like you let 140 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: a stink bomb out in the room. Nobody wants to 141 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: hear that. Nobody wants to hear anything about religion or faith. 142 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm proud. I'm certainly no expert at it, 143 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: but I'm trying, right. So you think it was divine 144 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: intervention that you got connected to bark, Absolutely, And I 145 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: can talk more about that later. But you know the 146 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: fact that we are able to keep over four point 147 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: two million children safer across the nation because they're spending 148 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: upwards of eight hours a day online. Oh whoa, whoa 149 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: whoa Wait wait wait wait wait eight hours a day online? 150 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Doctor Free has helped me out there. 151 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: You are pediatric emergency mess eight hours a day on line. 152 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: I don't think the Petty Mom podcast would like that 153 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: very much. That is not only the truth, but you 154 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: have to keep in mind that that's the average, meaning 155 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of kids who are actually spending 156 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: even more time online. So that includes after school, even 157 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: in school a lot of times, and oftentimes these kids 158 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: are spending a good portion of their night instead of 159 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: sleeping online on their phones. So yeah, it's a really 160 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: really scary number. That really risks a lot of damage 161 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: to the kids in lots of different ways, even outside 162 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: of what we're talking about today. There's a lot of 163 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: repercussions to spending about much time in front of a 164 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: screen eight hours a day. Okay, Titania Jordan cmo at Bark, 165 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I interrupted you with that. That studying number, 166 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: eight hours a day. That's how purvs and predators are 167 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: getting them. They're on eight hours a day. For Pete 168 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: say go ahead, yeah no, And I'm so thankful for 169 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: doctor free hes put putting a pin in effect. That 170 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: that's the average. There are children they're actually online more. 171 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: And what's pretty staggering is the time that transpires for 172 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: online predators to groom shouldren. Now that used to be 173 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: when the Internet didn't exist, the relationship between pedophiles and 174 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: shoulder and it would take months sometimes to evolve into 175 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: one of danger. Now it's it's seconds, it's minutes. It 176 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: goes from a high from a man in a DM 177 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: that's a direct message to a new photo or video 178 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 1: in literally a matter of seconds. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, 179 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: how many of you allow your children to charge their 180 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: devices in their rooms at night? Also joining me, his 181 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: Detective Richard was stocky. I want you to hear what 182 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 1: he said in a Ted talk. The common denominator in 183 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: all my sextortion child exploitation cases is that when the 184 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: parent allows them, you to charge them to charge their 185 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: devices in their rooms at night you're sleeping, they shut 186 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: the doors so you can't hear them. It's not a 187 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: matter of talking. It's typing, reading and performing with apps 188 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: like the one book they get from school, going in again, 189 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: Google Hangouts, Oovu, omegal, Skype, House Party. These are video 190 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: chat sites that our kids are using and there are 191 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: two to six people in that chat room while they're 192 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: in their bedroom. Okay, rich Yes, ma'am, I've seen a lot, 193 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: but you're hitting a nerve right now with my children, 194 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: my twins. Go ahead, tell me what you're talking about. 195 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: In my career, I've arrested over three hundred predators in 196 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: my career. So when a parent allows their child to 197 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: charge their device in their rooms at night, the child 198 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: feels safe. The inhibitions are lowered, and they feel like 199 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: they can do and say anything and nobody's going to 200 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: touch them. Because when I teach my kids, they think 201 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: that the things that I'm talking to them about happen 202 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: somewhere else. Well, it doesn't. When we talk about Fortnite 203 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: roadblocks a minecrafts that they play. The average internet predator 204 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: has two hundred and fifty victims in their lifetime. They 205 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: have a device in their rooms. They know that numerous 206 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: kids are doing that, and they wait till late at night. 207 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: So their parents go to sleepe to talk to your child. 208 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: Let me give you. Let me set up the scenario 209 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: for children. Now, I hardly teach in high schools anymore. 210 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to elementary schools now. Now when I go 211 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: to fourth and fifth grade, how old are they? They're 212 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: like nine, ten eleven years old? Right, Most parents don't 213 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: know that you have to be thirteen in order to 214 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: have a social network. So when our child talks to 215 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: their parents, you know everybody's got it in school. Why 216 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: can't you let me have it? You let my older 217 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: bullar sisters have it? And parents give in. Well, when 218 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: they give in, this child says, oh great, I can 219 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: get a snatchat Well, that's put their dead birth in. 220 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: And let's face it, our kids are not the best 221 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: mathematicians because of court math and what happens is they 222 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: don't know what they have both to put in See 223 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: I was born in twenty twelve. I go, oh, do 224 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: I go down? Oh? Halkod. I was just round up 225 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: a two thousand. When they put a data birth of 226 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: two thousand. I asked kids that I teach all over 227 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: the country, how many of you put your data birth 228 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: in two thousand? Seventy five percent of them will raise 229 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: their hand. How old are they today? Nineteen? So now 230 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: I have nine ten eleven year olds posing against nineteen 231 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: year olds. Who do you think's going to come talk 232 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: to them? I don't wow. Okay, you know we are 233 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: talking about snapchat, we are talking about roadblocks, are talking 234 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: about TikTok. They all seem innocent. But I want you 235 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: to take a listen to people I spoke with their 236 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: little girl abducted. Listen. I had recognized some behavior my 237 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: daughter that was troubling to me. I saw some behavior 238 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: that I felt like was was off, and I felt 239 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: like she might need to talk to someone. I could 240 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: see signs she was dressing up in pigtails and using bottles, 241 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: and there were things that were I was I could 242 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: tell someone was leading her to different behavior that I 243 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: wasn't encouraging. And so I started to control. I mean, 244 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: we were already controlling her Internet access to some degree, 245 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: and we were in her phone was limited. Okay, wait 246 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Whoa wa 247 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: wa wa wait wait. Do you believe that this guy, 248 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: Michael Weisilovski was telling her what to do, to dress differently, 249 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: to act differently. Yes, he was absolutely Yeah, this little 250 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: girl was actually using a school computer, just like Detective 251 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: Richard Stalky was advising. She went into a weight lost 252 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: chat room, as I recall on Yahoo, and that is 253 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: where a stalker was waiting. He held her as a 254 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: sex slave for months on end. This is after meeting 255 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: online two Brian Basin joining us CEO of Bark Brian, 256 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: why do you believe that, for instance, Snapchat and TikTok 257 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: are serious dangers to children, especially twains I'm talking eleven, twelve, 258 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: thirteen years old. Well, all technology has the potential for misuse, 259 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: and you know, we've certainly seen, you know, the Internet 260 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: do amazing things, and technology is a wonderful, wonderful thing. 261 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: But as with most technology, there's unintended consequences, and you know, 262 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: certainly with the ability for predators in particular to contact children, 263 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: on social platforms and gaming platforms. There's a lot of 264 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: risks that parents are generally unaware of. And so you know, 265 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: at Bark we've escalated over four hundred predators to the FBI, 266 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: and so it's actually not nearly as uncommon as I 267 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: think most parents think. Two. Doctor Free has pediatric emergency 268 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: medicine specialist, child safety expert, founder of the Petty mom 269 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: Peed I M o M dot com, a child safety website. 270 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: Doctor free hass I'd like to hear your thoughts on 271 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: particularly Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok. So these particular platforms put these 272 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: children at huge risk for many reasons. Obviously, they have 273 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: tons of predators on there where they're seeking children out. 274 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: Knowing what I mean, they're very very good at their job. 275 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: They know children very well, they know where their weaknesses are. 276 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: And then on top of that, you have these children 277 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: who are being exposed to things that they are not 278 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: really prepared or capable of understanding or dealing with. I mean, 279 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of information showing us that kids, specially 280 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: preteens even into the teen years, they don't have a 281 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: fully developed brain, specifically the lateral prefunctal cortex. It is 282 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: not fully functioning at that point, and that is where 283 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: decision making, immature self regulation happens. So what happens is 284 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: if you have put somebody in certain a child in 285 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: certain situations where they don't have the ability to make 286 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: appropriate decision making skills and can't self regulate, they end 287 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: up relying more on the reward of the experience rather 288 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: than being able to calculate the risk before deciding whether 289 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: or not they want to accept or acknowledge that reward. 290 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: So that puts them in a unique position for these 291 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: predators that are on these sites to get to them. 292 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: I will add to that, I use these apps, all 293 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: of them as a child. Does I actually sign up 294 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: for all of these and I use them as a 295 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: child with a freak bake profile. And I see all 296 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: of this happening in real time, especially with the live 297 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: streaming apps and all of that. And back to mention 298 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: about letting your kids, not letting your kids charge their 299 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: phones in their rooms, that's when I see the most 300 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: activity between predators and children, some of which has prompted 301 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: me to make phone calls to my local police department 302 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: and to the National Center of the Staying Exploited Children. 303 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean this is this is happening so much because 304 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: we have so many children on these platforms and so 305 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: many pedophiles on these platforms, and they are able to 306 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: target their kids, just like Tatanya had said, quickly, super 307 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: super quickly. And then they end up knowing the weaknesses 308 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: of these kids and start what they would call quote 309 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: unquote a relationship and they gained their trust, which then, 310 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: because they're not able to make proper decisions based on 311 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: lack of brain development at the time, they end up 312 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: getting pulled into this to no fault of their own, 313 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: but they get pulled into it so even And this 314 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: is something that I want to remind parents all the time. 315 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: You know, you've talked to them, you've warned them about 316 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: the risks, but you know, my kids a good kid. 317 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to let them on these platforms anyway, because 318 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: my kid isn't the type of kid that would fall 319 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: for something like that. They absolutely are, I mean it 320 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: is it has nothing to do with the individual kids. 321 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace, Texas mother is on a 322 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: desperate search to find her teenage daughter and she believes 323 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: her daughter left with a man she met on snapchat. 324 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: You may remember this and may have seen the photos 325 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: here a fifteen year old Heaven Ray Cox on your 326 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 1: Facebook feat. She was last seen on Saturday in Orange, Texas. 327 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: The jeen's mother has since found out that Heaven was 328 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: talking to a man she met on Snapchat. She thinks 329 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: the teen could be going to California with him. It's 330 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: total shock, total shock. We did not see it coming. Mainly, 331 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: we don't have any answers at all. We have no name, 332 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: no face. Well, the Orange County Sheriff is now investigating 333 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: this as a runaway case and it's trying to figure 334 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 1: out who that man is. Dear Lord in Heaven, you 335 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: are listening to AB thirteen anchors Tom Koch and Samika Night. 336 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: So the little girl goes online. Next thing you know, 337 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: she's in a car on her way to California with 338 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: a predator. And it's not just Snapchat, it's not just Instagram. 339 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: Have any of you parents heard the name Minecraft? The 340 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: Fed say the two met online when the girl was 341 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: only twelve, and prosecutors say this sheriff deputy would manipulate 342 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: and threaten her all the way from Texas. A Texas 343 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: sheriff deputy accused of cyberstocking a Wooster County teenager through 344 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: the popular video game Minecraft. According to the thirteen page 345 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: indictment unsealed Wednesday, the twenty five year old deputy would 346 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: refer to himself as Geno and Daddy, and the miner 347 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: as baby Girl. Prosecutors say the two met online back 348 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, when the victim was twelve. Over the years, 349 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: authorities say the girls sent him hundreds of explicit photos 350 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: of herself. She's now seventeen and reported to police this 351 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: past spring. She believed the Texas deputy was tracking her 352 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: movements via social media, and he was allegedly threatening to 353 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,959 Speaker 1: publish her explicit photos or rape her sister if she 354 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: didn't continue to send him nude pictures. That's just the 355 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg. That's our friend at WHDH seven 356 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: news reporter Eric Kane, I want to go back to 357 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: Titania Jordan's CMO, Chief Marketing Officer, Chief parenting officer at BARK. 358 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: How do predators get in and mate your children on 359 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: for instance, Minecraft, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok? How does it work? 360 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: To Tanya Oh, Nancy, We would need hours, but I'll 361 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: try to make it as concise as possible. I'll start 362 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: with Snapchat. I don't know if parents know, but within 363 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: the Snapchat Act that lives on their children's phones, there's 364 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: something called a snap mat And if your child has 365 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: these setting enabled, which sometimes can be default public, you 366 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 1: zoom in and you see exactly where your child is 367 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: in the moment, so much so that as you zoom in, 368 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: you can see satellite imagery of what color the house is, 369 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: does the house of a pool in the background, what 370 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: familiar landmarks are nearby? It is that detailed on gaming platforms. 371 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: And you know this hits home because my son, who 372 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: is not even a teenager yet, has been contacted by 373 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: a predator on PS four while he was playing Fortnite, 374 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: So it is there. Wow wow wow wait wait wait 375 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: wait did you just just hear PS four? Did I 376 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: hear that? Ye? Well, okay, what happened when your son 377 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: was contacted by our predator? I want to know? Well, 378 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: thank god, I had had multiple ongoing, candid conversations with 379 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: him about what you do and don't share online, And 380 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: cut to the chase. You don't share much. We like 381 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: to call it PII, personally identifiable information. You don't share 382 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: your name, where you live, where you go to school, 383 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: even what your interests are, and so thankfully, and he 384 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: knew better. And he told me, said, Mom, someone came 385 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: to me and asked me for my name and where 386 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: I lived and where I went to school. And I 387 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: just told them my name was butt Head and I 388 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: lived on Mars, and you know, and I was just like, oh, 389 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: thank you, thank God that I had talked to him. 390 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: But so many children are lonely or don't know better, 391 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: or their parents have not been comfortable enough with having 392 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: those conversations with them to let them know that these 393 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: people who you might think are your friends, who might 394 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: think are your same age online are actually adults with 395 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: bad intentions. You know, when my son Lucy's not as 396 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: interested in games online as my son is, his rulist. 397 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: He can only play with people he knows. I go 398 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: in at the start of every game and I hear 399 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: I say, oh, who are you playing with? And they're 400 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: actually talking to each other. I can hear them and 401 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: I speak to them. When he has played with people 402 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't know, he's not allowed to speak, he can't 403 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: talk out loud. They can just play games and they 404 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: know not to give out identifying information. But still their children, yep, 405 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: they don't know. I hear Rich was talking jumping in 406 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: Jump in Detective. So when I teach my students, I 407 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: empower them not to be victims. And the first thing 408 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: that I tell them when we start and when I 409 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: give them all of these tools, how I'm not to 410 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: be victimized is that when someone tries to take you 411 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: off of your gaming platform or private chat, they are 412 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: not who they say they are, because they will take 413 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: them to kick they will take them to WhatsApp, they 414 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: will take them to Skype. And what happens is when 415 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: I give them that red flag because if they have 416 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 1: something to say, when not to say it on the game. Well, 417 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: here's the reason why predators take them off of the 418 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: game to go to private chat. The National CENTIM is 419 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: seeing expoiled children, and every gaming platform in the US, 420 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: every cloud service in the US, and everything and go. 421 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: Social network communions has a program that's running in the 422 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: background monitoring chat and images going back and forth to 423 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: minor accounts. When something is inappropriate and it's flagged by 424 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: this program, the security agent at the social networker gaming 425 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: platform will report it to the National Center of Missing 426 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: Exploited Children, where they will do a background investigation on it, 427 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: and awesome law enforcement will get there from the National 428 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: Center and they we will give something called a CYBERTIP. 429 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: Now they give us all the information. They give us 430 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: the ips, the emails, the telephone numbers of the suspect 431 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: or whoever made that account, and it's our job to 432 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: investigate on why this person is grooming or sexually exploiting 433 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: children on the game. Predators know this, so if they 434 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: can take the child off of the off of the 435 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: gaming platform to private chat. Kick was in Canada, these 436 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: other chat platforms that are out of the country where 437 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: that program is not running, they know they're not going 438 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: to get caught. And when you have parents things to 439 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: themselves like I would never behind my ten year old 440 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: to cell phone. She's too young, she only has an iPad. 441 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: It's the same same parents. So predators know that these 442 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: programs running into background. Predators know that they can get 443 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: to kid on an iPad or a PS four. Nobody's 444 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: watching that. In addition to that, a lot of the 445 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: platforms that they're trying to get the kids onto feature 446 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: end to end encryption and so therefore a kick the 447 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: kick servers actually don't persist the messages and so Therefore, 448 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: it's relatively safe for a predator to have those kinds 449 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: of communications with the child because there's no there's nothing 450 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: in the middle that can intercept that we at bar 451 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: to do monitor kick on the device and so therefore 452 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: we can pick it up after, you know, from the 453 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: child's device. But the kind of things that detectives Docing 454 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: was talking about don't exist on kind of into encrypted platforms, 455 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: which is why predators really favor those crime stories. With 456 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we are talking to Tatania Jordan. Brian Basin, 457 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: doctor Free has a detective Rich was stocky. Your children 458 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: are being targeted on TikTok, musical, Instagram, Snapchat, Fortnite Minecraft. 459 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: How does it happen? Explain to me to Tanya Jordan. 460 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: When my children are making TikTok's and what that is 461 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: for those of you that don't know, they make a 462 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: twenty a thirty second little video and they're singing or 463 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: they're doing a rap, their lip syncing. It's the big 464 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: rage right now. How does a predator reach your child, 465 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: Tatania through TikTok? Oh, my goodness, it really is all 466 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: the rage right now. It's a very entertaining app and 467 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: because of that. If predators know your children are there, 468 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: that's where they're going. And so to answer your question, 469 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: they'll engage with your child's account. They will follow your 470 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: child's account, they will comment on your child's video, praising them, 471 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: grooming them, giving them confidence and validation. And then they'll 472 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: ask to move the conversation to apps like the ones 473 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: Brian mentioned, Kick and Whatsappen, others where they can take 474 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: the conversation somewhere else. Predators go so far as to 475 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: reward children. They will offer them, you know, to venmo them, 476 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: or use bitcoin, even in exchange for performances. It's really, 477 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: really sick, and it's pervasive. Take a listen to our 478 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: friends at WSOCTV Alison Latos Lawrence reveal the level of 479 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: abuse Charlatein endured while being held captive in Georgia for 480 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: more than a year. The documents day that Michael Weislovsky 481 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: can find Haley Burns in an upstairs bedroom of his 482 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: Duluth home, telling her that she would be arrested if 483 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: she left. Wislovski reportedly controlled every aspect of his seventeen 484 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: year old captain's life, keeping a food journal detailing how 485 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: many calories she'd eaten each day, and withholding food from 486 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: Haley if he thought she'd eaten too many calories the 487 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: day before. Doctors at the Atlanta Hospital who examined Haley 488 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: after she was rescued, determined she was suffering from malnutrition, 489 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: According to Warrens. Her parents told Channel nine she lost 490 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty pounds. Haley Burns disappeared from her Valentine 491 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: home in May of twenty sixteen. This past weekend, the 492 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: FBI responded to a tip and tracked her to a 493 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: home in Georgia. Michael Wisulovsky is in jail under no 494 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: bond on a number of state charges. After speaking to 495 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: her parents, I learned that Haley was on one extreme 496 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: diet after the next. This little girl was manipulated by 497 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: this predator in a weight loss or anorexia chat room. 498 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: He then kidnapped her, this little girl, holding her a 499 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: sex slafe for months and months. She was saved. She 500 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: was extricated alive. But listen to this. An eleven year 501 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: old driver on a three hour trip pulls over randomly 502 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: into a restaurant parking lot early Monday morning. A police 503 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: cruiser is there and he needed help and officer Braun 504 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: was in the right place at the right time, and 505 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: that's possibly what saved this young man's life, says Charleston 506 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 1: Police Chief Luther Reynolds. Able to find out why he 507 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: was in Charleston, where he was from, where he was 508 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: supposed to be an officer on night duty, the eleven 509 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: year old pulls in within a minute, the officer gets 510 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: out to investigate. The boy shakes hands with the officer. 511 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: Within twenty three minutes from the initial meeting, the child 512 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: gets into the cruiser. The boy told police he was 513 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: from Simpsonville. He said he took his brother's car and 514 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: drove two hundred miles to meet a man from Snapchat. 515 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: He said he was going to live with him. Drove 516 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: two hundred miles and his family's car two hundred miles. 517 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: An eleven year old little boy, through the grace of God, 518 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: just randomly pulls into a restaurant parking a lot where 519 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: a nightshift caught happened to have just pulled over and 520 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: sees nobody behind the wheel of a driving car and 521 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: specs and finds an eleven year old little boy there 522 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: on his way to the home of a grown man 523 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: he meets on Snapchat. His life would have either been 524 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: lost or forever forever ruined if he had made it 525 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: to that home. It's stunning to me to rich with Stocky. 526 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: Here's my message. You think it'll never happen to you, right, 527 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: But the reason I'm playing all the story. Everyone's a 528 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: different story. These are families, our parents, just like us, 529 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: whose children are taken, and Lord, it is happening all 530 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: around us. Absolutely. For the past two months, I've been 531 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: teaching in three different states. I've messed the taught at 532 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: twelve to fifteen schools. Six of the schools that I 533 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: taught in. When I empower these kids on not to 534 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: be victims, I've had six kids come forward as victims. 535 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: And it's all due to sextortion. When these kids get sextorted, 536 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: they think they're talking to somebody that they know and 537 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: trusted because they played on their games, and then they 538 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: take them over to a private platform and then they 539 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: get they send pictures to them, and the common denominator 540 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: in every single sextortion case, you will see that the 541 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: predator types the kid. You owe me one pick when 542 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: after them, as they got it from someone else. But 543 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: once the child falls into that, you owe me one pick. 544 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: So I tell kids, if anybody types to you, you 545 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: owe me one pick. You're about to be a victim 546 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: of sixtortion. So we give them these rules and tools 547 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: because when we see a kid running out of my 548 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: presentation crying because of what I just explained is now 549 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: happening to them, it doesn't happen somewhere else. And parents 550 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: infuriate me that when something happens in school and the 551 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: school has us come and do the presentations, out of 552 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: a thousand kids going to that school, ten parents will 553 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: show up because my kid would never do that. So 554 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: it's so important to make parents get this education. But 555 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: it's you know, really, Detective was Stocky. It's not about 556 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: my kid wouldn't do that. It's about the predator. The 557 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: predator doesn't know if your child is an angel or 558 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: a little devil. They have no idea who they're talking to. 559 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: They just glean information online. But the parent is Yeah, 560 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: but the parent is responsible for their kids technology all 561 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: the way up until they're eighteen. The parent owns the phone. Well, 562 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is not that, that's not what I'm saying. 563 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying parents saying, oh, my child would never Well, 564 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: it's not the child really doing it. It's the predator. 565 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: They goes after the child, regardless of who or what 566 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: the child is. And it's not just predators online that 567 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: are targeting your children. Listen, it says, if someone took 568 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: a baseball bat and shattered their world. That's how Mallory's 569 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: mother describes their grief. In the last seven weeks since 570 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: their daughter's death, she faced bullying here at Copeland Middle 571 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: School from fellow classmates, but online on social media. Her 572 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: parents say it turned vile and now they're suing the 573 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: school district. Cheerful and charitable, that's how Seth and Diane 574 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: Grossman remember their daughter, Mallory. We're not at good days 575 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: and bad days, yet we're still at good moments and 576 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: bad moments. Mallory took her own life on June fourteenth. 577 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: For months, she was told she's a loser, she had 578 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: no friends, and finally she was even told why don't 579 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: you kill yourself. Her parents knew their bright twelve year 580 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: old was bothered by bullying. They say school officials did 581 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: too to be accountability so this doesn't happen again. And 582 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: right now it seems to be a laughter that everybody 583 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: wants to sweep it under the rug. They were told 584 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: they stuck their head in the sand, and they ignored 585 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: month after month of complaints. You are hearing NBC four 586 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: New York reporter John Candler and to Tanya Jordan at 587 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 1: BARK the bullying. This is one of mini child suicides 588 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: I've covered and reported on because they were bullied online. Nancy, 589 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 1: I want to share some hard hitting data with every 590 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: parent listening because they need to know that it absolutely 591 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: can and potentially will happen to their child. When I 592 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: talk about cyber bulling, mental health, sexual contents, and violence. 593 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: So cyber bulling per our data at BARK, We've analyzed 594 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: billions of messages across children's social media, text messages and 595 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: email on both their personal devices accounts and school issue 596 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,839 Speaker 1: an accounts. So this is our data that we have 597 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: firsthand data. Sixty two point two percent of tweens and 598 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: seventy point five percent of teams experienced cyberbulling, either it's 599 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: a fully victim or witness that wasn't. Twenty eighteen, We're 600 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: about to release our twenty nineteen numbers, and I think 601 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be even more staggering. From a sexual 602 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: content and sexting standpoint that really is eye opening the parents. 603 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: Fifty five point nine percent of tweens that's children under 604 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,800 Speaker 1: the age of thirteen and seventy two point one percent 605 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: of teams encountered nudity or content of a sexual nature. Parents. 606 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: If you don't know this, you should. Sexting is the 607 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: new first base. It just is. From a self harm 608 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: and su a side standpoint, twenty three point one percent 609 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: of tweens and thirty five point nine percent of teams 610 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: were involved with a self harm or suicidal situation. At BARK, 611 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: we have alerted parents in schools and law enforcement to 612 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: over twenty one thousand incidents of severe self harm and 613 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: this is in children. So please parents, if you do 614 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: not think that this is happening to your children, you 615 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: need to think again and you need to have those 616 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: incredibly difficult but important conversations with that to doctor Free 617 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: has way in Oh my gosh, she Tatanya is spot 618 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: on on all of those numbers, because even with respect 619 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: of cyber bullying, the Pew Research Center is saying that 620 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: it's approximately fifty nine percent of teens that are cyber bullied, 621 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: so that number is definitely spot on. And with respect 622 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: of self harm, and suicide. The numbers are mind bogglingly horrific. 623 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: So we now know that one in four teen girls 624 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: and one in ten teen boys are participating in some 625 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: form of self harm, whether that be cutting, burning, disordered eating, 626 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. A lot of this they're seeing online. 627 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: I'll back up just a little bit to say that 628 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: you put on the post about Diane Grossman and her 629 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: daughter Mallory. I personally know Diane growth and I speak 630 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: to her actually quite often because we do a lot 631 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: of things within the same circles, so I have a 632 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 1: lot of insight on the cyber bulling from her part. 633 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: And then I also speak to Molly Russell's father. Molly 634 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: Russell was a girl who died by suicide at the 635 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: age of twelve back in two thousand and seventeen, and 636 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 1: that was due to seeing all self harm and suicide 637 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 1: content on the internet. So I am getting personal stories 638 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 1: from people who have experienced it, and I'm also seeing 639 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: increased numbers of self harm and suicidal ideation in my 640 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,360 Speaker 1: pediatric emergency department, as are many of my colleagues across 641 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 1: the country. Just to give some staggering numbers on this, 642 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: there's a recent study that was done by Jamma Pediatrics, 643 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: which is a fantastic journal, and it showed that children 644 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: presenting to emergency departments with a diagnosis of suicidal ideation 645 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 1: or suicide attempt has increased from five hundred and eighty 646 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: thousand in twenty seventeen to one point one two million 647 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, and it's expected that has increased since 648 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen. We just don't have the numbers 649 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: yet to twofold increase in ten years of kids that 650 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: are thinking about suicide or trying to kill themselves, and 651 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,240 Speaker 1: to even keep that the numbers going, and the importance 652 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: of knowing this that these numbers are between ten and 653 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: eighteen years old, So we're looking at kids between ten 654 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: and eighteen years old, where they have the second leading 655 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: clause of death. But in this survey they actually looked 656 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 1: down to five years old, and forty three percent of 657 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 1: that one point one two million children who presented to 658 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,959 Speaker 1: the er for suicidal ideation or suicide attempts were under 659 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: eleven and as young as five. Forty three percent of 660 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: one point one two million children, and that's a twofold 661 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: increase in the last ten years. To Detective Rich was Stocky, 662 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,919 Speaker 1: child crime expert, the president of base. You're consulting Rich 663 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? So the issue is again that 664 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: you know, I've just handled a case where two ten 665 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: year olds, one thought it was funny to talk to 666 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: the other girl into committing suicide over snatch at ten 667 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: years old. So let's let's take this a step further. 668 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: How how are we going to combat this? We are 669 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: all experts in this field. How are we going to 670 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,720 Speaker 1: combat How are we going to help this situation? Well, 671 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: you need to train faculty, right when a kid discloses. 672 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: You've heard it in your clip that schools are being 673 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: blamed for this, Okay, because they went to them, but 674 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: if they don't have the tools on what to do, 675 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: what to collect. So when I when I talk to 676 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: my schools, they had to take screen captures of everything, 677 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: get the user ID, write out of written statement, put 678 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: everything in a flash drive, get the screen capture the profile. 679 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: Granted this evidence, but the secondary problem not only the 680 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: schools don't know what to do when we try to 681 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,879 Speaker 1: find out who the perpetrator is. A lot of law 682 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 1: enfortunateencies are not trained in social media investigations, so they 683 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: will actually victimize the victim twice and then they will 684 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 1: say sex storation, lady, that's not even a crime. Hey, 685 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: if you want me to take this report, I'm gonna 686 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: have to rest your daughter too. You still want to report. 687 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: And these are the things that law enforcement comes up 688 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,919 Speaker 1: with so they don't have to take a report. So 689 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: we try in the eye Cack And what I do 690 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: is that we try to train law enforcement that if 691 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: you're not taking these reports, you're adding to the predators 692 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,319 Speaker 1: success and more kids are going to be victimized. What 693 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: can parents at home do? Detective Rich was talking to 694 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: help for children, So first off, it starts with tysnology talk, 695 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: telling them that there's no system as privacy for children, 696 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: telling them that this is my phone that you're using, 697 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: having the technology talk with them and showing them, look, 698 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,160 Speaker 1: this is my phone that I'm allowing you to use, 699 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: and if your grades are going from ads to days, 700 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna check. And using systems like Bark is absolutely 701 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: fabulous them. But the parent must help child that they're monitoring, 702 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,320 Speaker 1: because if you don't tell a child, you're gonna break 703 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,280 Speaker 1: the trust between childs and parents. And Bark does a 704 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: fantastic job into introducing this. I created a platform called 705 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,399 Speaker 1: Cyberparenting dash one on one dot com where parents can 706 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 1: take an online class on how to be a cyber 707 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: safe parent. And it's so important for parents to know 708 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: how prectors can get to their kids through gaming platforms. 709 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,439 Speaker 1: We show them how to use bark, We show them 710 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: that what the technology conversations should be, the golden ticket 711 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: conversations should be that to most parents, how this is 712 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 1: how their parents and technology. If you get out the pictures, 713 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: if you do this, if you do that, you're going 714 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: to be grounded, you're going to be phone ticket, or 715 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: you're not going to be with your friends. If the 716 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: child going to come to the parent when they're threatened 717 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: in the compliance, absolutely not so when the parents have 718 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 1: to have the technology top that. If something somebody wants 719 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,360 Speaker 1: makes you feel bad about yourself or does make you 720 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 1: do something you don't want to do, you need to 721 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: come to us. If you come to us, we're going 722 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: to give you that golden ticket, and there's not going 723 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: to be any consequences because we have to find out 724 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: who's doing this to you. And if they're doing it 725 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,640 Speaker 1: to you, they're doing it pretend to any thirty other 726 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,239 Speaker 1: kids all over the world. So you have situations like 727 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: Amanda Todd where she committed to the night after she 728 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 1: was ex stored in and thank god for Emily Vasher. 729 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: It's at Facebook who who took that bull by the horns? 730 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: And we found out who the who the predator was 731 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: he was doing at the tense one the other kids 732 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: all the same time, who was doing it through amandatal. 733 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: So again, parents need to be vigilant. They need to 734 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: have the technology talk with their kids. They have to 735 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 1: use Bark, and they have to be able to see 736 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: that picture of yes, my kid is a good kid, 737 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 1: but it's not that my kid would do something. There's 738 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,520 Speaker 1: so many other predators out there that would make my 739 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: kids feel bad about themselves and we need to find 740 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 1: out who it is exactly exactly to Tanya Jordan's CMO Bark, 741 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: Brian bas And, CEO of Bark, a tech expert and 742 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: even when I asked you howes Bart work, I still 743 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: don't know what you said, but I do know this 744 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: it works. To doctor free Hess, pediatric emergency medicine specialist, 745 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: child safety expert, founder of pattymom dot com and the 746 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: Pettymom podcast. Detective Rich was Stocky child crime expert President, 747 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 1: be sure consulting. Thank you for being with us, and 748 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: if we reach even one parent, our time is well spent. 749 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off and as I go, 750 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,880 Speaker 1: I want to stop crime. I want to save children. 751 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: I don't want to just report on crimes that have 752 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: already occurred. There's nothing we can do about it. Help us, 753 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,320 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend