WEBVTT - Drive Time: Chris Grier Presser and Dolphins 2024 Cornerback Draft Preview with Jon Ledyard 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:06.480 Do I remove Golan Deep speedways peasts from the Baptist 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.400 Health Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.720 This is Drive Time with Travis Wingfield. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:26.440 He's got my havn's in the playoffs. What is up Dolphins? 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.920 And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host, 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:32.360 Travis Wingfield. And on today's show, we have some fun 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.880 stuff coming your way. Chris Greer his annual pre draft 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.080 press conference to break down everything going on with your 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.960 Miami Dolphins ahead of next week's draft. Plus the great 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.960 John Ledyard joins me to break down this year's crop 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:47.640 of cornerbacks, talk about the Dolphins secondary, and a whole 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:49.800 heck of a lot more from the Baptist Health Studios 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:51.680 inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:53.559 This is the Draft Time Podcast. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.120 We're gonna kick this thing off today with Chris Grear's 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.880 Tuesday pre draft press conference and truth be Told. I 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:04.319 really thought this was a very productive press conference in 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.839 a number of ways. Number one, I thought Chris was great. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:10.440 Number two, I thought he got great questions not always 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.440 the case right. And number three, we just learned a 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.240 lot about draft strategy and focus and positional battles and 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.760 just how you kind of stack things from a GM's perspective, 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.520 but also some information on the Dolphins' current roster, like, 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.640 for instance, the defensive tackle group. And Barry Jackson, who 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.160 always asks the most thorough and best questions to get 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.840 you good detailed answers back in return, asked about the 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:33.399 thinking behind the defensive tackle position, adding that many players, 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.200 what was the focus with that many players? Are you 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.479 trying to get a defensive tackle with your first pick 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.920 in the draft? All kinds of questions, and Chris Greer 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.039 had a really good answer that kind of covered what 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.000 Anthony Weaver and Austin Clark are looking at. And I'll 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:47.960 give you some more feedback on it after the answer, 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:49.480 but let's go ahead and roll the audio here from 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:53.280 Chris Greer on basically, do you need a starting defensive 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:54.840 tackle alongside Zach Seeler. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.840 The exciting thing is working with Anthony Weavers his vision 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:02.840 and obviously his work and what he's done in the 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.520 league and as a player and coach, and Austin Clark 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.640 as well. So very excited about that group, you know, 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.080 having Zach back. Of course, after Zach coming off a 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.800 you know, historic year for a Dolphin d tackle as well, 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.960 very excited. But the group we have, we're targeted players 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:24.240 really like their potential and what they can be. So 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.520 we feel good about the group these guys, if we 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.560 were talking about them today, they've been in working hard 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.880 already and it's a really good group and trying to 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.200 starting to see that bond come together with that group, 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.560 and they're all competing hard, and so any of the roster, 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:42.480 it's it's not a priority, but it's obviously any player 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.040 that we can add that helps our roster is a 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.640 good impact player will take it doesn't matter what position. 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.240 So there was a few things there that I thought 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.000 todout number one, he talked about the potential of those guys, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.960 and that's kind of what you're looking at with some 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.560 of these signings Jonathan Harris, for instance, Nobel Gallimore. Guys 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.079 that have talent have played at a high level at 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.960 various points of their football careers, but it hasn't all 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.160 come together yet. And I think about Neville Gallimore, you 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.440 heard him talk about the potential of the guys, but 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:08.880 also how they all wanted to play for coach Weaver 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.520 and coach Clark. Now Gallimore and Clark go way back, 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:13.440 and so That's one of those things where if coach 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.799 Clark rubber stamps it and signs off like I'm all 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.000 the way good. That guy has gotten production out of Zach, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.520 out of Christian, out of Rake One, out of DeShawn Hand. 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:22.160 He just gets production out of all the guys that 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:22.640 he coaches. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:23.120 Up front. 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.680 I thought it was a very interesting comment that Chris 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:29.560 mentioned a historic year for Zach Seeler at defensive tackle. 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.800 I think the loss of Wilkins is in the forefront 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.120 of many Dolphins fans minds. But Zach Steeler might have 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.840 been a better player last year. If not, it was close, 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:40.720 and you still have that guy, so he's still here 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.040 and he makes a lot of plays happen for other 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:43.880 guys as well, So keep that in mind when you 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.800 assess the defensive tackle position. Let's go ahead and move 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:48.920 now to a question I posted to Chris Greer about 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.400 the versatility you have on the roster with guys that 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.360 can play inside, outside, post or box and the like. 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.440 Does that help your draft strategy come draft night. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.840 Here's Chris Grear on just that talking about players. Obviously 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.440 you've seen here the last couple of years with some 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.200 of the injuries we've had late in the season. The 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:10.280 versatility of players is key, So guys that can play 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.080 all along the offensive line and the secondary move around. 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.239 That's really important for depth and building teams. So it helps, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.240 you know, we're always looking for those players that can 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.680 and do more things because I think it just helps 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.239 your roster. So for us, it's you know, we'll always 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.720 keep looking for players that can do more. 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:30.840 And we're going to cover this on the podcast with 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.800 John today, with timon Clancy tomorrow, and even going deeper 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.039 into other position groups here on the Draft Time Draft Previews. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:38.760 But I just love the Dolphins off season. 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.480 For a number of reasons. Number One, that flexibility you 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.919 have in those position groups allows you to be flexible 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.440 and how you draft, because guys can be flexible and 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.800 move positions and you can just take the best football 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.280 players and try to match up your lineup with the 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.240 twenty two best guys you have available to use. I 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.120 think that approach is very sound and very smart, and 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:57.919 it goes back to something we've been harping on on 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.320 the podcast all off season. Miami's issue the last two 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.279 years was health, an attrition at key spots, and not 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.520 being going to sustain a really NFL level roster at 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.599 some key spots. I mean two years ago, look nothing personal. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.240 There was some like CFL level defensive backfields that started 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.280 on game days, right and last year you're outside pass rushers. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.359 Malik Campbell. Is that a guy that we're talking about. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:21.240 It might as well have been. 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.560 You might not know their name, but Justin Houston and 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.400 Jason Pierre Paul and Bruce Irving, like these are guys 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.640 that were playing starting reps for you in a playoff game. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.080 Not Malie Campbell, he doesn't exist. But that whole concept 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.240 of let's go ahead and we'll lose a couple of 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:39.599 key contributors from Wilkins and Robert Hunt and Andrew Van Ginkel, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.080 but we got like twelve more guys that can help 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.719 us sustain the attrition of an NFL season. So I 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.479 just love the approach there. I think it makes you 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.760 more flexible on Draft night, and as Chris Career said, 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.840 it's a big focus for this team going forward. I'm 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:52.599 not going to play the audio on this for you guys, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.400 but I thought it was worth telling you. He was 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.159 asked straight up, will you take a look at a 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.000 quarterback in the first round, and he pretty much just 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:02.000 said no, we will not say that you never close 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.800 the door on possibilities. But this is like one that 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.120 you can because we like to one where he's at 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.720 more onto a in just a second. Next question here 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.000 for Chris Greer. He was asked about the approach of 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:14.400 best player available, about filling team needs. When do you 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.640 fill team needs? This is a two part question and 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.599 answer from Chris Perkins, who actually had a great question 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.720 here for Chris Chris Greer. Chris Perkins, so you'll hear 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.800 his voice in the middle, but talking about when do 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.480 you prioritize your team needs versus getting the best player? Well, 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.640 never fill out team needs in the first couple rounds 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.440 of the draft, right should should be one on one, 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.240 But here's Chris Greer setting the record strait on that one. 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.760 You always stack your board and you work hard. So 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.160 but your board, obviously early in the draft will always 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.360 look kind of how you said it in terms of 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.320 the best player. But when you get into the day threes, 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.680 you know the boards, it's being picked apart fine all 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.159 over the place. So it's one of those and I 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:53.880 think sometimes when you get late in the draft, you 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.520 end up looking for depth or to filling holes in 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.360 your roster. But for the most part, I think most 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.200 teams would be early in the draft are always going 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.039 to take the best player available for the first couple 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.760 of rounds because that's where you probably have the most 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.520 control of how your board looks in terms of how 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:11.800 you've spent all the off season, ranking, in terms of 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.280 all your time with the coaching staff and scouts to build. 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.360 It feeling needs. 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.840 So that's mostly free agency. 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.080 Yeah, it's it's part of it. But it still goes 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:24.560 post draft too, you know, and there's still good players 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.880 that are available that are veterans that are on the 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.280 streets post draft too, So but yeah, you'll always get 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.440 into that end of the draft where people like, hey, 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.920 if there's a position where there maybe not a few players, 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.000 there's a light at that position, and you don't want 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.200 to compete, you go, we'll draft that. If we have, 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.440 you know, like the traits in that player, we'll draft 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.680 them and add them to that to the roster then. 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:49.200 But it is it's always interesting the end of the 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.480 draft process when you get to it because you're looking 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.640 at your boards and it's usually picked apart and no 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.640 one as players left, and then it's really just looking 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:58.960 at the depth there of where it is and where 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.640 you need to fill, and then you make your decisions there. 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.240 I just thought that was very informative in terms of 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.840 how the off season process plays out, where you kind 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.800 of attack free agency with good football players, you make 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.040 your bargain buys there, you go ahead and bring in 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.960 veterans for visits and see what might be available to you. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.040 After the draft, you have your draft, you have the 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.280 same approach where you get the best football players. You're 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.200 kind of carving this thing where you're just adding clay 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.200 to the mix, and that clay is hopefully good clay. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.440 That you're just getting the best fifty three possible pieces 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.080 of clay, if you will, and then you work on 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:29.880 kind of truing that thing down and shaping it to 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.600 the actual sculpture that you want as your final fifty 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.240 three man roster. And when you have an Odell Beckham 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.319 or a Carl Lawson and for a pre draft visit, 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.720 that puts them on the radar, It puts their medicals 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.920 in your system, puts their agent in touch with you. 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.120 So after the draft completes, you can say, hey, we 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:45.840 didn't get the receiver we were hoping to get. We 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:47.560 need Odell Beckham. Ou let's go ahead and get those 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.400 negotiations back open again. So I love the process of 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.000 kind of thinking two or three steps ahead and making 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.800 sure that come September tenth, whatever, the first game is, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.160 you have the best possible roster. And you did it 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:02.520 because you were very meticulous about each stone you turned 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.160 over in both the draft and freegency. Next question here 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.679 for Chris Career, are you more inclined to move back 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:09.760 in the draft without a third and fourth round draft pick? 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.040 Here is Chris Career on the Dolphins draft strategy, which 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.040 he's not going to tell you, but interesting answer. 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.760 Nonetheless, Yeah, I think we're open everything. But also that 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:19.480 also you don't want to pass on a good player 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.640 that if there's someone there that you know, we all 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.840 feel very strongly about that you know, can really impact 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:28.840 our roster, it's like how far can you drop down 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.400 and still possibly get them? So so you always weigh 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.320 those factors of you know, yeah, it's great to pick 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.360 up an extra third, but if that second round player 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.160 someone we really believe in, and it's you know, like 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.760 a Javon Holland or Jarvis Landry in the second round, 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.280 then you know you'll take the player. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.200 I feel like every year it's like trade down, trade down, 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:48.920 get more picks, more picks, more players, And I like 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.319 that process. I even remember the story I wrote back 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.040 in twenty nineteen for Lockdown Dolphins where I said, like, 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.920 the Dolphins have put themselves in position where they cannot 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.240 fail this draft because they have so many picks, and 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.080 if they just back thirty percent or three hundred, you 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.320 would have you know, four or five effective players out 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.240 of that draft, and that's a good draft class. But 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.040 when you look at it this way, it reminds me 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.240 of twenty twelve when you traded back and wind up 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.319 getting Jared Odrick and COAMSI, when you could have had 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.480 Earl Thomas, Like which one would you rather have? Sometimes 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:18.640 it's better to stick and pick if the best player 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.800 is there. And with that in mind, he did talk 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:22.800 about the twenty first pick, and I thought this answer 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:26.040 was very very interesting. Do you feel that you'll stay 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.000 at pick twenty one? Are there guys that you like? 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:29.959 How many players do you like at that spot? Here 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.120 is Chris Career on the idea of picking at twenty 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.240 one or possibly going back in a trade down situation. 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.840 We definitely feel there will be one or two players 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.200 that we really like there is where we are right now. 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.040 We feel that we can get an impact player there 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.000 that will help our team and roster, and we'd be 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.079 very excited to add. So we've we've gone through it 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.640 a few times. We'll keep going through it here, you know. 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.000 But we feel good about who would be there at 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.680 twenty one if if we were to pick there. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:57.800 Yeah, I feel like there's some gamesmanship going on there. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.000 If we were to pick there, there's one or two plays. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.280 Is like, if you're gonna trade up, you better give 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.360 us a nice offer because there's guys we want to 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:06.640 take right here. It's just kind of it's it's the 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:08.520 poker face of GMS this time of the year, right. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.160 But I thought it was a very interesting answer there, 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.719 And I think based upon the mock draft scenarios I've 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.400 gone down and just kind of taking a look at 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.480 what's what the general consensus is out there, which is 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:22.040 never one hundred percent accurate, It does feel like the 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.640 premium spots that you would be interested in taking at 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.000 that spot could have a name or two trickle down 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.080 to you. So I thought there was some gamesmanship and 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.320 some truth there, just some good, some good answers there 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.280 from Chris career. He talked talked about Javon Holland and 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.960 the interest in a extension for him, A big piece 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.400 of what we do here, he said, a big important 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.000 player in the Miami Dolphins defense, and without the fifth 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.439 year option, he is due for an extension next offseason. 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:45.320 He did say they'll be talking about that down the 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.720 road in the future. He also said the Dolphins will 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.200 will exercise the fifth year options on both the twenty 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:52.600 twenty one first round draft picks. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:53.600 Man, it's been that long already. 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:55.640 Jalen Waddle, Angel and Phillips look at their fifth year 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.679 options picked up, and then I'm sure we'll start talking 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.800 about extensions here in their future for both of those 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:02.760 guys as well. He also talked about the tackle class. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.160 He was asked about how many of the guys do 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:06.920 you like? Is it pick your flavor in terms of 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:08.520 the seven or eight guys that could go in the 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.440 first round, and he was very very upfront about, you 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:12.320 guys know what we like. 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:14.880 You see how we play. McDaniels talked about this himself. 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.439 Fire off the football, play fast, great athletic ability, and 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.680 that can basically right there trim down what you're looking 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:23.839 for at the twenty first pick at tackle, Like if 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.160 you're not a fleet foot mover, you're probably not in 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.079 our crosshairs. Also said nothing eminent on Odell Beckham. They've 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.240 had discussions back and forth that to me feels like 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.080 a post draft revisitation there. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.319 He was also asked about Tua. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.920 Hiring a private quarterback coach, and we're gonna go ahead 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:38.640 and have a two A segment here. Let's go ahead 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.560 and hear from Chris Career first on him attacking the offseason. 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.800 No, you got to give him all the credit. He 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.840 is just like last offseason when he attacked him, you know, 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.800 to stay healthy and doing the jiu jitsu or Judeau, 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:55.240 which I want to know, but he's just watching him 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.960 work and how he wants to be great and doing so. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.559 He took all this stuff on his own and told 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.679 us what he was going to do, So you got 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:04.240 to give him all the credit on that. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.120 I can sort of provide some extra analysis here for 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:08.679 you guys, and I can tell you that two has 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.120 been working on his straight line and linear speed, agility 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:13.520 and play extension. So there are a couple of things, 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.439 and I'm sure he brought to the Dolphins in terms 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.120 of things he wants to improve upon, not really breaking 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:18.840 news right, things that he struggled with a year ago 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.720 playing about fifteen pounds over what he's at right now 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.080 in terms of trying to add weight to make himself 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.960 more durable for the season, and in doing so, the 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.760 Dolphins or too, I should say, kind of realized that 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:32.120 the extra weight wasn't keeping him healthy. It was the 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.720 jiu jitsu in the falling the correct way, so down 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.440 weight faster with the injury protection. That's the kind of 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.560 ceiling I think you hope for in terms of twos game. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:40.960 In fact, we're going to hear from Chris Career on 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.240 this next answer about during down the weight and getting 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.719 to a certain weight they want him to be at, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.600 and he talked about how there's still more room for 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.360 two or to grow and that line should just make 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.840 you so excited about the future, because if two can 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:55.800 get better than what he already is, we're talking about 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.760 a top five quarterback in the National Football League. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.520 No, I think this again is credit like he's trying 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.160 to do everything he can to do what he can 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.840 to be great. And that's been from day one, when 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:13.320 you know Mike and him connected here and working through 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.400 the first season and then making the changes offseason, working 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:19.160 through last year, stand healthy, lead in the league in passing, 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.920 and now this is his next evolution. As Mike has 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.160 told you guys, we feel like there is a whole 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.280 nother step that he can take, and so we're excited 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:27.040 about his future. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.560 We will finish up here on the defensive side of 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.120 the football. And I wanted to play this answer for 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.680 you guys, because we are going to have John Ledyard 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.680 here in just a second talking about the cornerback class tomorrow. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.480 Simon Clancy had a really good podcast interview with me 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.400 talking about the safety position and the Dolphins off season 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:43.680 in general and just kind of what you look for 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.000 in Anthony Weaver's defense. And I want to play this 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.080 audio because Chris Wereer talks about we were being so 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.080 prepared with the visuals that he wants to display to 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.480 the coaching staff in the front office, as in, here's 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.680 what I'm looking for at these certain spots, and I 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:58.800 think that that's going to parlay nicely with the podcast 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:00.920 we have for you here in a second, and tomorrow 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.360 the discuss is what exactly that might look like under 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.160 Anthony Weaver, using Baltimore Raven's defenses as kind of the 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.320 jumping off point, and how he could tailor from there 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.480 to his own personal defensive structure. Here's Chris Career on 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.440 the value of having Anthony Weaver in the building. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.880 This offseason challenging at times, but again it's part of 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.360 the job in the business. I mean, well, you know, 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.880 I think the most important thing is getting trying to 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.240 get everyone on the same page as soon as possible 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.560 so you can adjust through that offseason, for the free 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.560 agency and through the draft. And I think having clear 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.880 communication and having some idea of what they've done in 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.400 the past helps. But I think a lot of it 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.080 goes to the coach, Like Anthony deserves a lot of 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:47.520 credit for coming in here, being so prepared and having 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.520 everything ready with visuals and everything for us to go through, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.640 so that he made that transition a lot easier for everyone. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:56.280 All Right, there we go, really fun stuff. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.600 Let's go ahead and take our first break rate there, 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.080 come back on the other side. This podcast up with 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.240 a two segment interview with John Ledyard talking about the 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.480 cornerbacks and the twenty twenty four NFL Draft and the 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:07.640 Dolphins defensive backfield. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:08.080 All of that. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.880 Next Draft Time Podcast your host Travis Winfield, brought to 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:15.600 you by autt Nation. We roll on previewing this year's 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.200 NFL twenty twenty four draft class with a friend of mine, 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.560 a great draft analyst. And I always tell you this, John, 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:22.200 and I don't know how you feel about it, but 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:23.080 I'm gonna go ahead. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.000 And say it again. One of the harsher graders I've 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:25.600 come across. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.080 And I always find that to be very beneficial to 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.160 the industry because a lot of times it's about here's 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.680 the twenty five thousand players I love. I don't have 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.280 any players I'm curious about in terms of their skill set. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.880 But John, you thread that needle very effectively. John, what's 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.240 going on man? John Ledyard my guest here on the 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:41.040 podcast today. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.320 Well, it's awesome to be back recording with you and 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.880 to be with somebody who appreciates the harshness of migrating style, 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:51.640 because a lot of people don't. And it's just honestly, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.040 Travis to be It's like, most of these players don't 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:56.560 work in the NFL, and I think pretending like they 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.560 do just deceives us like that's just like it's not 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.800 as helpful as we think it is. I think people 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.280 fall so in love with the draft process that they 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.080 forget that there is actual work to this, you know 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:08.520 what I mean, Like you have to be able to 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.200 be critical enough to figure out what players don't work, 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.800 otherwise you end up draft you end up missing on 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.520 the few that do. And so figuring out what's valuable 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.080 enough at each position to be able to prioritize it 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.920 is really essential. And I think the league has actually 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.840 moved in a better direction overall in this, Like I 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.440 think more players find roles on teams than they used 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.159 to before. It was like, if you're not exactly what 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.280 our expectations, where there's no usage for you, we run 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.080 out of options for you. And teams have become more 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.919 adaptable to players' skill sets and shortcomings and so on 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.080 and so forth. But I still think there are just 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.200 very few players. I mean to come into a draft 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.080 and say, oh, we have thirty some first round grades, 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.000 to come into a draft and say that, and then 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.720 look at how many players each year, draft after draft 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.400 after draft fit that criteria and the likelihood that you're 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.399 going to do that with the thirty some you've named 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.680 is just very very unlikely. So I think you're much 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.080 better off being more critical than less critical during a 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.919 process that sees as few positive results as the NFL Draft. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.240 Not to mention in year one of the impact players 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.639 having that rookie season, because I mean, we saw Austin 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.800 Jackson have a breakout in his fourth year last year. 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.480 Like it, progress is not lineary, These guys have different 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.879 maturity and breakout years and in terms of when they 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:15.280 hit their peak as players. And it's fascinating, man, And 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.200 talking about you know, the idea of I guess flexibility 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.880 or having options to move guys around this position group 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:22.199 we're going to talk about today is one of the 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:23.200 better ones for that. 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:24.359 And yeah, man, like I. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.560 Really find myself like there's times where the Dolphins have 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.720 had draft classes or free agent classes where I'm like, 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.399 I kind of like all those players, but I have 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.119 to temper my expectations because like, at best, it's probably 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.240 gonna be fifty to fifty, like at very best, right, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.359 So it's it's funny how it works out. Every team 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.960 has the exact same struggle. I guess if you will 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:42.520 to go through, but I want to get into this 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.200 now and talk about the cornerback class here, because we'll see. 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.520 I mean, it's one of those groups where you go 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.920 into the draft saying like, Miami's probably not going to 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:51.879 go in that route. But I always say, if you 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.600 make assumptions in this time of year, in this in 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.359 this for the draft, you're probably gonna be wrong. So 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.040 I do want to start with a question more so 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.399 to kind of link the Dolphins to this class on 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.800 the back end defensively. I know you say the entire 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.159 NFL and have some of a two part question here 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.640 for you. Number one is, I'm not sure if there 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.479 are more versatile cornerbacks in the game than Jalen Ramsey 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:14.640 and Kendall Fuller, and they're both here in Javon Holland 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:16.320 you can say the same thing about his game at 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.520 safety in terms of post and box and slot and 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.240 all that stuff that he does. I'm curious to first 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.320 how that's beneficial to a secondary and then second with 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.160 how you've watched the Ravens evolve over the years. And 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:30.400 Anthony and we were coming from Baltimore with Kyle Hamilton, 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.320 Gino Stone, Marcus Williams, Brandon Stevens, Arthur Mallette, Marlin Humphrey, 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.800 The list goes on and on. Am I accurate in 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.399 saying I see some similarities in the makeup of that 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.520 Baltimore secondary as you have here in Miami now. 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.639 I think that is accurate for sure. Interchangeability was definitely 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.160 a big part of especially with certain players, I would say, 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:51.880 but it was a big part of what they were 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.840 doing in Baltimore and McDonald when he was in Baltimore. 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.760 I think it helps for a number of reasons. One, 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:00.880 I think if you were going to be a team 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:02.800 that is more and it'll be fast. I'm not saying 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:04.520 Weaver will do this because he has a very different 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.679 group than what they had in Baltimore. He has actual 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.680 and we'll see what the health of these guys are. 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.840 But if they're healthy, when Miami's healthy, at least he's 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.560 got like some legit one v one pass rushers. And 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.520 so perhaps it's not setting up to be as scheme 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.400 oriented as a pressure package plan as what you saw 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.800 in Baltimore when they would move people around and they 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.760 would you know, everybody's a lot of scrimmage, who's coming, 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.399 who's going. It's all simulated pressures and things of that nature, 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:30.919 and then you're bailing guys and some guys getting a 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.880 free run. And that's kind of what you're relying on 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.240 defensively in order to have success more than just these 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.560 forty nine ers style defenses. Even Philly and the four 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.119 down and go, we've got better rushers than you do. 0:20:42.200 --> 0:20:44.080 We're gonna beat you one v one when it matters. 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.400 Our games are too tough for you to handle because 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:48.240 we've got four athletes on the front line and you 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.200 can't block us consistently throughout the game. And the money 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:55.120 downs and so on and so forth. So just different philosophies. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.720 They're both have been pretty successful, and so it'll be 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.399 very curious to see which one or if it different. 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:04.640 You know, hybrid of those schemes kind of is what 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:08.480 Anthony Weaver ends up coming with up with in Miami. 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.560 But I think, yeah, just secondary wise, the versatility of 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:13.760 players is important. I think because you have different ways 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:16.960 to match up. That's probably the number one thing. Different 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.520 ways to match up throughout the game you can call. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.280 You can be more multiple in your coverage schemes than 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:24.640 ask players to do certain more certain things. If you've 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.240 played a lot in the slot before, as Kenda Fuller 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.000 has Javon Holland obviously did in college a good bit. 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.560 Obviously cater Co who is is going to be the 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:35.720 slot heading into the year, You'd assume Kaylan Ramsey's played 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:38.560 in the slot before. You can follow number ones to 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:40.919 the slot, which lots of teams are trying to do that. 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.000 You can follow number one in the slot depending on 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.120 body type, with a lot of different players. If there's 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.720 two number ones and Ramsey matches up better with an 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.480 outside guy, you could trust that you have a bunch 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:52.919 of different guys to play in the slot against another 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.040 really quality receiver if you need to. So that versatility. 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:58.840 Offenses rely on it to be able to implement their 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:01.000 game plans, and the amount of different routes that you 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.200 can get to from the slot and defense is now 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:07.400 spe Specifically, Miami's will be able to also CounterPunch by 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.040 being able to match up with those with a lot 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.439 of their personnel. So I think already they're set up 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:14.119 honestly pretty well in the secondary. The additions of Fuller, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.600 I think it's just been an underrated solid player for 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.040 a long time now. I don't know what Poyer has 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.520 left in the tank, but if he's got anything left 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:23.840 in the tank. He is definitely a good helpful player. 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:26.600 With Holland, I don't think you'll need quite as much 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:29.359 from him. Of course, we don't know exactly what Anthony 0:22:29.359 --> 0:22:32.560 Weaver is going to do, but Holland's ability to play 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.080 single high free safety and do with a lot of 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.040 the hard stuff as needed is certainly a part of 0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:40.320 this factor and how Poyer is going to be used 0:22:40.359 --> 0:22:42.080 to and it may be time for him to transition 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:44.920 more to a down low roll and replace someone where 0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:47.680 Brandon Jones did for Miami. So I'm fascinated to see 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:49.760 how it goes. I'm very excited to see Anthony Weaver 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.120 as a defensive coordinator calling you shots, doing his own thing, 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:54.680 and I'm excited to see if we see an evolution 0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:59.040 and a continued move of more Mike McDonald's style defenses 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:01.359 coming across the or if he comes up with something 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:04.560 new entirely Allah, you know, an old Miami name, and 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.199 Brian Flores is doing his own complete thing. You know 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:09.720 that's outside the norm of everybody else and not the 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.800 first time he's done that. So it'll be fascinating to 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:12.760 watch Weaver this season. 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:14.480 Yea, that's why I wanted to ask you that, because 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.239 usually when I ask a question like that, I have 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.040 follow ups and things I say on the back end. 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:19.320 But John, you kind of hit the nail on the 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:20.840 head across to all of them there, So I don't 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:22.920 really have anything to ask further than that, but I 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.240 will we will have this. This episode will be paired 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:27.439 with the safety class as well as Simon Clancy from 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.000 the Three Arts per Carry podcast here on drive time, 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:31.159 so I'll talk to him a little bit about the 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:33.920 idea of potentially you know that because you mentioned a 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:35.480 bunch of guys that can play that slot position, but 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.879 so many safety is like a big nickel role, right Like, 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.320 I'm thinking about the Miami's potential to maybe go and 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:43.000 add a safety in this year's class that might complete 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:45.000 that entire backside of that room. So we'll talk about 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:46.240 that with Simon here in just one second. But I 0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:47.960 want to go back to the cornerback group here, because 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:50.960 I mean, you nailed John, like Jalen Ramsey is Jalen Ramsey. 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.400 I'm such a huge fan of Kendall Fuller's tape after 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.440 watching him this offseason. You mentioned Katerkohu, but we also 0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:58.920 have you know Cam Smith is a second round draft pick. 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.720 Lasher did you so, I'm sure you have an evaluation 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:03.399 on camps with why don't we go ahead and start there? Actually, 0:24:03.440 --> 0:24:06.080 what was your tape great on Camp Smith last year 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:07.880 and kind of your thoughts about a player that didn't 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:10.200 really get any playing time in year one and how 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:12.360 he could maybe make some more of his time here 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:13.560 in his second season with Miami. 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:16.359 Yeah, I didn't actually see him. I know he didn't 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:17.959 play a ton this past season, but I didn't really 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:19.399 get to see him this past season, which I kind 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:21.439 of wish. I'd probably tried to take a peek at 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.679 him before the season and see what I saw in 0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:26.399 his game. But I thought in the year before so 0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:29.440 it would have been twenty twenty the twenty twenty one 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:31.919 season it would have been. I guess he was really 0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:34.920 good and there was a little more explosiveness on his tape. 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.680 In the twenty twenty two I didn't see him play 0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:39.720 with the same level anticipation from off coverage that he 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:41.880 once did. I did think he was a pretty good 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:44.199 tackler overall. I had high marks on him for his 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:46.359 ball skills as well. Thought there was a chance for 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:47.879 him to be like, even if he was going to 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:49.800 give up some plays, to be like a playmaker type 0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:51.880 when they put him in press, which was not very 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:54.240 often that felt last year at South Carolina. I thought 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.080 there were some real tools there to work with, that 0:24:57.160 --> 0:24:59.639 he had the right tenacity and mindset there, but he 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:03.040 seemed like a player who didn't have quite the measurables 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:05.520 to be like an unbelievable elite player that I know. 0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:07.440 Some people talked about him as, Oh, he's first round 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:09.800 caliber corner you're gonna get later in the draft. I 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:11.880 never saw him quite that way, but I didn't see 0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:14.280 him as some I thought. I think he's somebody who 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:17.359 could be a contributor to your secondary. Obviously their their 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.840 position to be able to not need to rely on him, 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.120 I think right now. But if he blossomed, it would 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.520 be huge for that secondary, adding another piece in there, 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:28.000 especially because you consider how often if Weaver's gonna follow 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:30.119 the McDonald role, they like to play lots of defensive 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:31.600 backs on the field, and one of the keys is 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.080 going to be how well do they play the run? 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:34.720 How well do they tackle? And I thought he was 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:37.320 definitely solid in both of those regards when he was 0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.240 at South Carolina. So his development just in terms of 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.840 giving them depth in another playable option, even if he's not. 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:44.640 He doesn't have to be a lead shutdown guy, right. 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:46.760 He just just to look at Kansas City, right, they're 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.320 four or five deep a corner every year and making 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:52.000 these runs and they don't need They've had certainly some 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.200 really good corners, but they don't need like every single 0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.000 guy on their team to be like a star, especially 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:57.800 when you have a Ramsey. He needs to be able 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.160 to play like a Joshua Williams role jats, like those 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:03.440 guys with the Chiefs, and I think if he can 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:05.560 do that, they can give them that this season. They'll 0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:07.760 feel great. If they trust that, they may not even 0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:09.320 take a corner in those drafts if they trust that. 0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.359 It's just I'm not sure how much they're going to 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.160 trust that given out Small's role as last year. 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.080 Exactly what I was kind of getting at there was 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.359 the idea of if cam Smith is a guy that 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:19.199 they really believe in and think that he has the 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.840 future here, then I tend to think cornerback might be 0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:23.480 off the board at least early on in the draft 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:24.159 here for Miami. 0:26:24.240 --> 0:26:25.359 But we'll find out that. 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:27.000 The best thing that could happen though, is kind of 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:29.080 what you mentioned there, is we don't see camp Smith 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:30.879 this year because we've had so much attrition in the 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:32.919 cornerback room the last couple of years. I mean two 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.160 years ago exaving Howard missed a big chunk of games 0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:38.520 and without Byron Jones being available that year, and they 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.399 sign a cornerback in camp and he gets hurt the 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:42.560 first day. They were running out guys that were signed 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:44.199 to be a special teamers here that first year. Then 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:47.240 last season, Ramsey misses half the year, Howard misses some games. 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:49.000 It was just a lot, and so you need to 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:51.040 depth at that cornerback room, like you mentioned there. 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:52.000 And kind of going back to. 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:53.680 That first question I had for you, John, that great 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.560 answer you gave us there, I'm curious kind of turning 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:58.720 over the draft now at the twenty first pick, is 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.640 there a defensive beat corner or safety for you more 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:03.960 probably suited for the corner position, but a guy that 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.000 suits that idea best of versatility And you know, not 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:08.800 to spoil a potential answer here, but I look at 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:10.520 a potent a guy like you know, Cooper j. Jehan 0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.320 for instance in Gush that guy screams to me like 0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.159 long term perimeter option. But he can also play some 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:17.879 big nickel early on in his career, I believe. 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:21.040 Yeah. I mean there there are honestly a lot of 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:24.080 guys that could fit because Miami doesn't have like a 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:26.320 crying need for like a top guy or anything like that, 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.720 so the fit part is actually probably pretty easy. Weaver 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:31.680 is I mean, he probably wants players who I think 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.440 are going to be physical, are going to be able 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.760 to play son and man. That certainly fits most of 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.520 the top guys in this draft. So yeah, I mean, 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:43.399 Dejean is definitely one of those guys that think that 0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.719 could play in that role. There's also that possibility of 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.840 like him potentially being a safety, which could be something 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.119 that Miami ends up needing depending on what Poyter has 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:54.359 left in the tank or eventually needing anyway, if player's 0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:56.840 kind of getting near the end here and so that 0:27:56.880 --> 0:27:59.600 could be an option. Mitchell played QUINYA. Mitchell from Toledo 0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.600 played mostly in his own scheme in college, but showed 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:04.400 at the Senior Bowl that he can match up in man. 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:06.720 I think he's going to love a player like that. 0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:08.520 I don't know that they're going to take a corner 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.439 in the first round, But I just I think in 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.199 terms of just the appeal to what Miami's trying to 0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:16.080 be defensively, he certainly fits a lot of those criteria. 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:17.920 And I don't know that he'll be there because it 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.680 seems like the rumors are he'll be the first corner 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.479 off the board. But Terry and Arnold from Alabama played 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.720 inside and outside there definitely a little bit of a 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:27.879 late bloomer, but really came on this past year. I 0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.720 think he has wonderful press man skills. His off coverage 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.320 stuff is fine in terms of his ability to close 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:36.200 on the ball and all of that, he will get 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.200 turned around and off coverage he's a little aggressive, and 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.920 sometimes that can work against him, and that he gets 0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:44.200 caught on double moves and guys get behind him. And 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:47.280 he does not have that great makeup speed. So his 0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.480 high end plays have distracted people a little bit from 0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:52.480 what I think are some weaknesses he probably won't be 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:54.200 able to get away from in the NFL. But his 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:56.560 high end stuff is so good, like his ball skills, 0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:58.960 his ability to close on things in front of him. 0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.400 I missed the tackling the run defense. He's going to 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.080 emphatically check all those boxes. So I still think he 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.000 could be the best corner in this draft. I haven't 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.280 quite finished all my emails by the end of this week. 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.680 I hope to a corner, but he's definitely gonna be 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:13.720 very high for me. I just think you have to 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.120 be careful if you take him because there is some 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.680 stuff in off coverage that it's fixable. But I think 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.040 that if he doesn't fix it, he does not have 0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.360 that elite level speed because I think he's a four 0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.360 to five guy, which is fine if as long as 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.239 he's able to keep things in front of him and 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.200 not be too aggressive, because he's not going to be 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.600 able to save himself the way hed in college. At 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:35.840 times in the NFL, everybody's speed is just going to 0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:38.760 be too great, and quarterbacks can make those throws regularly. 0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.880 So there may be some bumps in the road early on, 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:43.440 more than people anticipate, but I think his high end 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:44.800 plays will eventually make up for it. 0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:47.320 How about at that fifty fifth pick, is there some 0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.720 names that you think might make it to that spot 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:51.640 in the second round where the Dolphins could be interested 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.120 in kind of poking their heads into. 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:56.400 I think so yeah. I mean Nnis Rakestraw junior from 0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.840 Missouri is one that played a lot of z own 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:03.440 coverage in college and probably doesn't have that elite level athleticism, 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.280 but makes a lot of players in the ball has size. 0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:08.480 Definitely would be a name that I could see on 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.600 their list. Kamari Lassiter from Georgia. I think he's gonna 0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:13.280 probably end up going later than this just because he 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.440 ran a four to six and those corners don't typically 0:30:15.480 --> 0:30:18.520 get drafted high. I don't know that. I think that 0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:20.360 could be his undoing in the NFL, to be honest 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.880 with you, But in terms of fit, I definitely think 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:26.240 there's a lot of there with him. His physicality as well. 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.880 He's somebody who will come downhill and absolutely hammer people. 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.760 So that part of his game I think will really 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:35.040 appeal to a lot of teams. But we just haven't 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.600 seen many corners that ran that slow workout in the NFL, 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:39.840 and so that will be a big question mark. He 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.000 does play fast moving forward, but when he has to 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:44.120 turn and run, I think there are some issues that 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.040 could be his undoing. And then I mean there's a 0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:49.840 lot honestly, this draft. Once you get past the first wave, 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:53.160 the depth at corner is pretty remarkable in terms of 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:55.200 guys who just like had pretty good college tape and 0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:57.239 their athleticism seems to check the box that they can 0:30:57.240 --> 0:30:59.600 at least play in the league. Now fit and coach, 0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.280 abillity and character, all that mentality that's probably going to 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.440 decide who out of like the Nax melt and Andrew Phillips, 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.520 Ronardo Green, Jerry Jones, Jarvis Brown. The people love Kayln 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.640 Carson's picking up steam, Connor Rodgers my boy. He loves 0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.360 Kamal Hayden, who I think from Tennessee who is probably 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:17.280 going to go later in the draft. There's some people 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.680 that love DJ James from Auburn. Like, there's just so 0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:23.440 many corners that are probably going to go in the 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:27.280 second to fourth round range that can actually play. Ronardo Green, 0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.160 I think is probably one of the most interesting from 0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:33.240 Florida State, just because when you're taking a corner later 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.200 in the draft, you want to know that they compete 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.280 and you want them to and you'd love to know 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:39.160 that they have the upside to maybe make a lot 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.640 of plays in the ball. He forced sixteen incompletions last year, 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:46.480 tied for sixth most in the country. He is not 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:50.160 the biggest in terms of just his overall like. He's 0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:52.880 fine height wise. I think he hit six foot, but 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:54.840 he's not like the thickest corner like. Strength could be 0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.200 an issue you could see at times, but just a 0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:59.680 guy that can has the instincts and the ball skills 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.200 to be I would have forced that many incompletions to 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.120 play as well as he played in man coverage this 0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.080 past season when he was in man coverage, sixty targets 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:10.120 a lot of just thirty one catches throughout his college career. 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.920 Has been a great competitor and all that time, I 0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:15.360 think he could be probably underdrafted because he may not 0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:18.560 be like, oh, it's unbelievable measurables testing guy or anything 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.080 like that. But when you look at the tape, there's 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:23.040 not been many corners in this class that have played 0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:25.479 better than him and gotten better for every single year 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:27.960 they've been in college too. So it's if the Dolphins 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:30.560 do want to draft a corner, there's absolutely no onus 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.240 to do that in the first round. This is a 0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.520 very very deep cornerback draft. I think that's getting lost 0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:37.760 on which we talk about wide receiver and tackle, the 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:41.480 cornerbacks buzz. But the corner draft and the interior defensive 0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:43.719 line after two position gerps are just like as I 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.160 watch them, there are just so many guys who can play. 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:48.240 I don't know if they're all going to be stars 0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:50.600 or anything, but there's just so many guys who can play. 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.360 And when you're Miami and you're probably looking for a 0:32:53.400 --> 0:32:55.160 corner that can play more than you are, like, we 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.280 need a top flight number one. We're rebuilding the whole thing. 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.360 We want a cornerstone piece to build around. They're probably 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.560 more in the camp of mid rounds. We're looking for 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.200 another guy and can play if we don't, you know, 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:07.600 trust camp Smith or you know, there's questions about some 0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:09.880 of the other guys in the roster with Fuller getting 0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.160 up there at age two, Like, if that's the route 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.040 they're going, I think there's gonna be tons of options. 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:15.840 They don't have to spend a high end resource to 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:16.160 do that. 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:18.720 You really picked my interest in the cornerback stuff. You've 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.160 even more so gotten my attention with the interior defensive 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:22.760 lineman because I think it's a good spot the Dolphins 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:24.880 could go with this year as well. My guest today, 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:28.200 John Ledyard on the draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:33.520 brought to you by Auto Nation. Picking it back up 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.959 here with my guest today, John Ledyard, talking about this 0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.880 year's cornerback class. Going back to the depth of this 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.120 class that you mentioned in the previous segment talking about 0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:43.320 rounds two and four and like, yeah, Miami has a 0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:45.120 pick at fifty five, but they don't pick again until 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:46.960 pick one fifty eight in that fifth round, and so 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:49.120 it kind of seems like when you mentioned that, the 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.640 first thing that comes to my mind is, well, typically 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:53.200 when you have a glut like that and a bunch 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.680 of guys that can play, somebody's gonna fall out the 0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:57.720 back end and wind up late in day three. So 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:00.200 my question for you is, who are some guys you 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.680 think could make it to pick one fifty eight. It 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.840 would be of interest to the Dolphins at the cornerback spot. 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.040 Also, just I don't know that I'd be too Like 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.120 if you want to move down from twenty one and 0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:13.960 pick up another pick like this is just the Miami's 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.600 in a position to do that. You know they don't 0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.239 have like these massive, massive knees. I don't think there 0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:22.239 are certainly position groups they could address after they move down. 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:25.640 They're in a year definitely where you know there's a 0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:28.279 great player there and you feel like somebody fits at 0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:30.360 a position that they feel like they need to address, 0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:32.880 then then go for it, you know. I mean. Tackles 0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:35.280 just an interesting discussion for them in general, just because 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:37.799 Armstead's health last couple of years and I know he's 0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.120 bringing it back for another year, but you got to 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:41.920 think they're getting to the point where they may want 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.480 to consider a future there and moving down from where 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.480 they are in the first round, if you can go 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:48.600 down from twenty one a couple of spots, there still 0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:51.120 should be probably tackles on the board that you could 0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.359 potentially develop there. So anyway you can pick up an 0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.000 extra pick, I do think in this draft you're going 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:57.919 to be able to do that. So that's just something 0:34:57.960 --> 0:34:59.359 to keep in mind. I'm sure you guys have talked 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.640 about that a lot on shows as well. But I say, 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.680 in the fifth round, it's always really difficult to tell 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.160 who's gonna be on the board at that point in time, 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.280 I think, just because it does fluctuate, so the player 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:11.920 I might be highest on like the league, ends up 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:14.000 being super highed and they end up taking them high 0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:16.520 but I think Kalen Carson has been one of the 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:20.680 more interesting players in this year's class, like because there 0:35:20.760 --> 0:35:23.080 there's been like basically no buzz about him. But he's 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:24.880 played outside corner and he played a little bit in 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.560 the slot this past season. I felt like, I mean, 0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:29.640 although there are plays where he does get beat, and 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:31.919 we're talking about remember fifth round, so we're just talking 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.160 about who can we find that might be available there 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:37.680 that can actually play. He's a guy that will play 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.319 the run defense. Absolutely, he will come downhill, he will 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.160 make tackles. He isn't gonna get his hands on a 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.440 ton of balls, but in general, you can play him. 0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.840 I think he's pretty scheme versatile. He's not gonna kill you. 0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:50.439 In terms of his size, there's measurable So you're looking 0:35:50.480 --> 0:35:52.520 at a guy who I think like he's not going 0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.280 to be the fastest. He's probably gonna have to play 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:57.719 in more of his zone system to a degree. But 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.520 he's done a good bit of stuff his career, and 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.200 he's played over two thousand snaps too, so he's a 0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:05.959 little more ready, and he's physical and at the very least, 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.239 right if you're getting nothing else out of him, you're 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.360 getting a special teams player, and I think that that's 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:12.640 really really important. So a lot of the things of 0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:16.080 Miami values I think will value in their corners corner 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.799 room he brings to the table. I don't know whether 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:20.480 we'll ever bring any of that stuff at a high 0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.520 enough level, just because nothing is elite about his game 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:27.400 early other than his physicality. But I think even if 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.239 he doesn't bring it a high enough level to be 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.799 a starter in the NFL, somebody that could become a 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.320 competent backup and could be a great special team or 0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:37.640 because of his physicality, I think that he would be 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:39.879 worth an investment somewhere in that range of the draft 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:41.200 if he's still there in the fifth round. 0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:44.240 I love those traits that translate to special teams because 0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:45.960 I think they get slept on way too much. Man, 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.160 if you get a Day three pick, it's a good 0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:50.840 special teamer for four years. That's a good value because 0:36:50.880 --> 0:36:53.360 those guys cost two three four million bucks on the 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.120 open market. Like you're getting that in a fraction of 0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:57.200 the cost when you hit on a rookie, who can 0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:58.560 give you that for the first four years of that 0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:00.920 rookie contract. So I would not sleep on that out 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:02.960 of wake Forest. By the way, they're Kaylyn Carson, I'm 0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:03.799 trying to do a better job. 0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:04.080 John. 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:05.879 I know that you probably have this problem as well, 0:37:05.920 --> 0:37:08.399 Like I always gloss over players' names and don't mention 0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.359 the school. I'm trying to do better about giving all 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.440 the schools out there because people listen to the podcast 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:14.279 don't know who the hell we're talking about. Make sure 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:15.400 we give them the school as well there. So I'm 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:17.280 just gonna throw it out there, Kayln Carson, wake Forest. 0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:20.000 My last question for you here, John, Slot cornerbacks, man, 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.760 I love this year's class. There's a guy from Washington 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.160 State who'm been a big fan of there, but I 0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:26.520 won't mention his name unless you want to. Who are 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.640 your favorite slot cornerbacks in this year's class? Loot get 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.520 you out of here. 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:32.640 There's a lot of guys actually that played outside that 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.319 I think might be able to play in the slot 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.400 at the next level. Ernardo Green's one of them. If 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:38.440 they wanted to go that route with him, I think 0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:42.080 that could be interesting. Earlier in the draft. Saint Rest 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.359 from Michigan. I might be messing up how you say 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.600 his last name, but he he's somebody that I think 0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:48.600 I mean, he's not big at all, and that could 0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:50.680 ultimately be his undoing. How his body holds up with 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:52.919 how physical he plays is going to be a real 0:37:53.000 --> 0:37:57.400 question mark because in the NFL, like he will just 0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:01.359 absolutely hammer people. I mean he did it several times 0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.719 last year, and I just don't know, like how his 0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.640 body type is gonna hold up, because I think he's 0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:07.560 he's very l liked. I don't know what his weight. 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:09.440 He tried to bulk up I think a little bit, 0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:11.840 but his weight I think could be an issue for 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.919 him at the next level. But yeah, he's definitely one 0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:19.080 that I think could play inside in the NFL and 0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:21.280 played there in Michigan. I'm trying to think of others 0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.960 that might be able to play at that spot. I 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:25.799 haven't seen Smith Wade, who was probably who you're an 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.440 alert a little. I have not seen him yet, so 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:31.320 he is on my list to watch. He's an inside 0:38:31.320 --> 0:38:32.239 guy that he can play there. 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:33.600 You think you can play a little bit of bath 0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:34.919 if Yeah, he did at the Senior Bowl a little 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.200 bit and had that that big near pick six. I 0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:38.640 think he was cut down like the one yard line. 0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:40.919 But yeah, he's he fitsed the correct year. You're talking 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.319 about in terms of like feistiness and like just wants 0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:44.480 to go stick his face in the fan. 0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:46.440 That's that's like how I describe his game. He's fun 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:46.839 to watch. 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:49.760 Well, that's the thing. So many of these guys didn't 0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:53.239 play in the slot in college, Like he barely played this, 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:55.080 but he will probably, but he could play there in 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:57.160 the nfls or you're telling me, So that's a lot 0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.640 of these guys may end up switching and moving. But 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:01.359 I don't think it's going to be because, I mean 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.760 we saw the testing like this corner grow tested pretty athletic, 0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:06.920 and the size across the board is pretty good with 0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.200 the group as well. So I mean Jerry and Jones 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:11.279 was a slot in college from Florida State, and so 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.840 perhaps he's another one that will play there in the 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:16.520 NFL that you can get in the middle rounds. Probably 0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:18.319 isn't on the board in the fifth and maybe two 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:19.640 early in the seconds, so he'd be one if you 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:22.759 pick up another pick, perhaps he's going to be the guy, 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:25.520 but you have good run defender. When they asked him 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.359 to play in man even as a slot guy, which 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.000 means I think he I mean, he didn't play outside 0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.839 in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty one. He's been 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.239 a good man coverage corner as well, but this past 0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:36.399 year playing in the slot, he kind of went from 0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.680 being off the radar a little bit to being very 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.040 on the radar for NFL teams. And so he'd be 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:45.200 another one that I think could be like the physical 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.960 and mental traits to play slot because slots of communication 0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.360 position right, like, you have to be able to tackle, 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:52.600 you have to be able to play lots of different 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.799 types of coverage. You don't have to be as great 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:57.000 in man coverage, you don't necessarily have to be as 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:59.120 great at press or things like that. You don't have 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:00.960 to be as fast, probably because you're not going to 0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:04.120 take his ready routes vertical from that position most of 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:06.040 the time. But you have to be able to tackle, 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:07.880 to be able to recognize things very quickly, to be 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:09.560 able to play a lot of different coverages, to be 0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:11.680 able to communicate to the rest of the defense, to 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:12.960 be able to set the edge of times in the 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:14.719 run game, things like that, and I think he can 0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:17.200 do all of those things. So Jarring Jones is probably 0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:18.879 another name to be able to keep in. 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:20.920 Mind at ledyard NFL Draft. 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:22.920 He does all twenty two breakdowns for the Chiefs and 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.160 Lions on Espanation Yin's No Ball of Steelers podcast. John, 0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.040 you do it all, Man, You made us all smarter 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.640 today and got us more education on this year's crop 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.840 of cornerbacks. Thank you so much for your time. Be 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:34.080 well and we'll talk to you soon. 0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.920 Man always oblaged to talk to you, Dravis and really 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:37.640 appreciate it. 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.120 And there he goes, and there we go for another 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:41.960 edition of the Draft Time podcast. We're going to have 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.800 another episode for you guys tomorrow with the great Simon Clancy. 0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:46.560 You do not want to miss that. We're kind of 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:48.239 ramping up here these next couple of weeks. We'll have 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:50.120 four podcasts for you guys this week. I think we're 0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:52.399 going to have five or six next week. 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