WEBVTT - The Murder Years: Ep. 1 - Lisa 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.160 This series is inspired by true events. The stories you're 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:07.160 about to hear are fictional, and so are the characters 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.599 who are played by actors. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.480 I'll be honest with you, there are certain murders I'm 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:32.720 scared to discuss. It's just all too ugly, and I'm 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:35.440 scared what will happen to me if I do speak out. 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:39.720 I'm not sure why you're digging up all this old 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.120 stuff again, but I'd be careful. Don't say I didn't 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:43.400 warn you. 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:58.320 Nancy, I'm Nancy Clark. I was born and raised in 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:02.320 the small Midwest town of Meine. It was a great 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.240 place to grow up, lovely, picturesque, like right out of 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:10.840 a movie. Still looks pretty much the same. Main street 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.080 is lined with little brick storefronts built in the nineteen twenties. 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.480 A teeny limestone post office sits at the end of 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.120 the oak Tree Line block. The smell of fresh bread 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:26.040 from the bakery is always in the air. But even 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.920 as a young girl, I was very aware that a 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:34.880 lot of strange stuff seemed to happen here. I always 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:39.600 wanted I needed to know more. At night, i'd sneak 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:42.360 the newspaper under the covers with my dad's flashlight and 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.080 read about the latest tragedy to hit our town, and 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:50.160 I wondered, why did so many bad things keep happening? 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.720 And it seemed to only get worse. When I was 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.280 in high school in the mid eighties, we were losing 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:02.360 people at an alarming rate. Horrible, violent deaths, unthinkable murders. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.200 There were so many deaths that I believed our town 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.080 had to be cursed. It felt like we were being 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.120 made to pay some awful price for something we'd done. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:12.960 But what. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:14.919 Then? 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.919 The year after my friends and I graduated, the death 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:22.800 seemed to just stop. I could breathe again, I could 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:27.440 stop worrying. I went away to college, studied communications, and 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.280 spent the next couple of decades writing for various publications. 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.920 But life took a turn recently when I had to 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.399 move back home to take care of my mom, who 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:43.400 was sick. She passed away earlier this year. As I 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.720 was packing up my childhood home, I ran across some 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.280 old newspaper articles that brought back the all two vivid 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.960 and tragic memories of my high school years, and later 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.919 that night, on the ten o'clock news. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.600 This is just in A woman's body has been found 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.040 in the woods behind Mount Pine Community College. 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.440 A gruesome discovery in a north side home. 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:13.520 Again, after thirty years of peace, Mount Pine was rocked 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:17.520 with another murder. I tried to process this shocking news, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.680 and I couldn't help. But wonder could this be the 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:25.960 beginning of another crime spree. As I slowly cleaned out 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.639 the house, I decided to revisit the murders that happened 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.359 when I was in high school. Luckily I kept detailed 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.360 diaries back then. I wanted to see if there was 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.120 anything that could really help me make sense of what 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:44.760 was going on in Mount Pine today. So I decided, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.480 I'm going to talk to the people who were at 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:50.480 the center of these stories, police teachers, even some of 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.800 my high school friends, who may remember some really important 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:58.000 details from those years, details I either forgot or never 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.280 even knew in the first place. The stories I'm about 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.440 to tell you are inspired by real people and real events. 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:07.320 For everyone's safety, we're going to change a lot of 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.240 the details and all of the names, including my own, 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.360 and we're changing the name of our town. It's not 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:19.279 really called Mount Pine. I truly hope I find some answers. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.080 At the very least it might give us all some 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:33.279 much needed closure. This is The Murder Years, Episode one. 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:44.839 Lisa nine, what's your emergency? 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:45.040 Hi? 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:51.760 Yeah, I went back behind my born too, and I think, yeah, 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:52.280 there's a. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.000 Girl there, a young girl out there. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:57.200 She's dead. 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:08.200 It all starts on May nineteenth, nineteen eighty four, hours 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.560 before that horrific nine to one one call comes in. 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:15.760 Teen life in Mount Pine is all that matters? 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.880 Oh my gosh, I remember it like it was yesterday. 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.320 That's Melanie Porter in nineteen eighty four. We are both 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.480 fourteen years old and freshman at Mount Pine High School. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:29.560 Melanie's my best friend. 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.320 May nineteen, it was a Saturday. I looked it up 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.000 in my journal, and that day I had just gotten 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.039 done with being grounded for spending too much money on 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:40.680 a blouse. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.080 Today, Melanie's fifty two and owns a party planning business 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:45.880 in Mount Pine. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.599 I got all my homework done, finished my chores, and 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:54.080 was super excited because that night I was going to 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.200 a party at Tammy's house. Her parents were going to 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.960 be out of town at some Amway convention or something. 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.359 I didn't go to that party, and I can't remember 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.680 why exactly. But Melanie, she remembers a lot about how 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:08.920 excited she was to go. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.840 I remember picking out what I was gonna wear took 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:18.960 me like forever, seriously. Around seven point thirty, I heard 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.520 a honk outside, so I grabbed my purse, kissed my 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.960 parents good night, then I headed out to Scott, who 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:29.279 was sitting in his dad's light blue Ford Thunderbird also 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.680 known as the Blue Ballmer. Scott was two years older. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.600 He was sixteen and just got his driver's license. 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.600 On the way to the party, Melanie says, she and 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.840 Scott go through Danny's drive through. Scott has a fake 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.560 ID which he uses to buy Melanie some peach snaps 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.599 in a case of Old Milwaukee for himself. Yeah, you 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:51.960 could buy alcohol from the comfort of your own car 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:53.800 back then and then drive. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.560 So then we drove down County Road H twenty nine 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:58.920 on our way to the party. 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.200 In nineteen eighty four. Mount Pine has a population of 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.919 around twelve thousand people, so pretty small, very rural, lots 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.760 of farms and tons of lakes in town. We have 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:17.040 one pizza joint, one bank, one supermarket, and one high school. 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.640 Our school is small and unassuming, a one story brick 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:25.000 box with narrow slit windows. It looks more like a 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:26.320 prison than a high school. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.880 When we got to the party, Tammy's house was packed. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:36.320 There must have been like one hundred kids there. I 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.800 remember some kids were playing pool downstairs. Some kids were 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:43.880 drinking ever clear at the kitchen table. Some kids were 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:45.320 smoking pot outside. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:49.680 Melanie says, just before midnight, the kids with curfews leave, 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.440 kids like her and Scott, They're gone, I hear through 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.520 the grapevine. Others stay later. The last ones leave around 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:02.200 three am. What happens next? No one sees coming. 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:08.800 Nine. What's your emergency? 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:13.600 I yeah, I went back behind my barn too, and 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:18.400 I think, oh my god, she's so young. She looks 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.480 really really bad. There's a lot of blood and her 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.280 head is all smashed in. Please come quick. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:25.880 Officers are on their way. 0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:29.720 Police are dispatched to a location about three miles away 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:30.760 from Tammy's party. 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.280 Up until that and I we really didn't have murders 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:38.160 in Mount Pine. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.480 I tracked down the first officer who arrived on the 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:46.360 scene that day, Officer Pat Shepherd. Back then he has 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.600 two months on the job and has never been two 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.280 or worked a murder scene. 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.760 I mean, they've only been like four in the previous 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.040 twenty five years. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.760 Today, Pat Shepherd is a sergeant with Mount Pine PD. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:00.600 He said he doesn't even need to check his files 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:03.079 on the case because he remembers it so clearly. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.640 Since this was my first one, I was nervous, I remember, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:13.520 I felt sick to my stomach. So I arrived that 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.520 day around seven am found the body of a teenage 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.480 girl behind a barn. The nine one one caller had 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:21.920 no idea who she was or how she got there. 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.080 She had been severely beaten. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:25.640 In the head and face. 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:30.280 Her jeans and pink tank top were soaked blood. We 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.040 didn't know with what though, because there was no weapon nearby. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.760 It appeared she'd been killed somewhere else and dumped there, 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.080 and it seemed like she hadt met dead for more 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:47.400 than a few hours. Then more officers arrived and searched 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.920 the surrounding area. About two hundred yards from the body, 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.760 in the woods behind the barn, an officer found a 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.800 white purse in it, where a set of keys on 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:01.800 a Duran Duran keychain, bublgum, flared lipsmackers, a wallet with 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:06.240 six dollars and a driver's license. That's when we were 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:07.520 able to identify. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:12.080 Our victim, Seventeen year old Lisa Anderson, was a senior 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:15.120 at Mount Pine High School. She ran track and worked 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.120 at Buddy's, the local ice cream shop. She was nice 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:23.080 to everyone. Back in nineteen eighty four, Detective Tom Wallace 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.720 is the lead investigator on the case. Today, he's in 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.680 his seventies and retired. Wallace agrees to talk with me 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:31.520 about the case. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:38.240 This one, this one was hard. I knew the family. 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.880 They were a good family, and they'd already been through 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:42.480 so much. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.600 Detective Wallace is talking about what happened to Lisa's younger 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:52.120 brother only a year before, he dove headfirst into Owl Lake, 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:56.160 breaking his neck. He became paralyzed and eventually moved into 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.079 a home where to this day he's still getting round 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:03.400 the clock care. Their mom, Mary is now in her 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.600 mid seventies. I asked if she'd be willing to speak 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:10.560 with me, and she says yes, even though it's still painful. 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.080 She feels like she doesn't get the chance to talk 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:14.600 about her daughter, Lisa enough. 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:26.200 So I remember that day unfortunately, like it was yesterday. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.280 I was cooking scramble that haggs with graft singles and 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:38.360 oh and sausage links and then there was someone at 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:43.199 the front door knocking. I was thinking, why was someone 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.600 at the front door this early on a weekend? So 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:51.440 I put the Spachela down and walked towards the front door. 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:59.200 But before I even got there, I saw Tom Wallace, well, 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:03.200 detective Tom Wallace through the beveled glass. You see, we 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.480 went to Mount Pine High School together. But but I 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:11.960 couldn't imagine why he was at the house. We sat 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:21.000 down in the living room. His corduroy jacket stunk from cigarettes. Well, 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.640 then Wallace said the word's eye I will never forget. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:36.000 He said, I'm so sorry, but we found Lisa today, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:37.599 and she said. 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:42.800 So. 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:51.200 Wallace kept talking, but I couldn't hear him. He was talking, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:58.160 but my eyes were scanning our living room instead. 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.000 I was fixating on the things. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:11.600 In the living room that were Lisa's, like, like there 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:15.840 was a pair of Lisa's white kids by the front door, 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.440 in her blue jean booked bag with buttons all over it, 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:27.400 that was right next to the TV trade where she 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:34.120 always did her homework. Then Wallace asked me when I 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.880 saw Lisa last, and I told him it was around 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:43.520 eight o'clock the night before. She said she was going 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.960 to a party with a best friend, Tiffany, and then 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.360 she was going to spend the night at Tiffany's. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.360 Detective Wallace learns the party was at the house of 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:00.600 some girl, naw Tammy. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.880 I remember I hugged Mary goodbye, and as it walked 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:09.560 to my car, I could hear her wailing. It was 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:11.360 pretty brutal. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.920 Detective Wallace tells me that next he goes to talk 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.800 with the host of the party, Tammy, who happens to 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:20.720 be in big trouble with her parents for having the 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:25.120 blowout while they were away. Tammy tells Wallace she saw 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.800 Lisa at the party, but all seem fine with her. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.440 Tammy agrees to write down the names of everyone at 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.840 our house with her parents' permission. Detective Wallace looks around 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.520 the home and property. A few red plastic cups still 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.440 litter the floor, but much of the party has been 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:46.680 cleaned up. He doesn't see anything suspicious. Within a couple 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.560 of hours, the lobby at the police station is packed 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.400 with really shaking up teens. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.800 These kids looked nervous. I reassured them they wouldn't get 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:59.080 in trouble for drinking or smoking pot. We just wanted 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.720 to ask some questions, try to find out what they 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.280 saw or heard and if they knew what may have 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.400 happened to Lisa. We audio taped these interviews. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.680 After a lot of digging, Detective Wallace is able to 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.360 track down some of those recordings. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.000 I don't want to get in trouble, okay, but Lisa 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.400 gave me one of her one of her California coolers, 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.480 and she seemed like she was in a good mood. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.160 She kept asking me what time it was I saw 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:32.000 her outside. She let me use her lipsmackers. We talked 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.720 about chemistry class and how mister Kober gave me attention 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:35.880 for talking too much. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.480 A few hours later, it's fifteen year old Bobby McCabe's turn, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.360 a tall and lanky kid with jet black hair. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.800 I saw Lisa plainpool with a guy had never seen before. 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.640 They were like, they're having fun. 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:57.359 With Then. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.000 I heard him assports go upstairs. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:02.440 With him and. 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.720 That's why all the kids were making out, were having 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:10.920 sex or whatever, and she said no, I have a boyfriend, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:13.760 and the guy got. 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.840 Mad, like really mad. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.880 I mean he threw down his pool stick and said, 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.480 you're a fucking Copti's and a fucking bitch. 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.400 I'm listening to the mount Pine Peades interviews with the 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.000 kids who were at the party the night before where 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:40.760 Lisa Anderson was last seen alive, and investigators may have 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.480 gotten their first real lead from fifteen year old Bobby McCabe. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.000 He just told detectives he saw some guy get really 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.360 angry at Lisa when she turned him down for sex, 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:51.680 and there's more. 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.920 On his way out. I heard him say he was 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:03.000 going to get hurt back for this. She will pay 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:03.440 for this. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:09.600 So Bobby described the guy as late teen's tall, brown, 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.159 shaggy hair, and he was wearing a concert t shirt, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.720 but he couldn't remember which one. The interviews with the 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:21.240 partygoers lasted into the early morning hours, but none of 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.760 the other kids reported seeing anything strange or any of 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.680 that exchange between Lisa and the angry guy. In fact, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.560 none of them even knew who that guy. 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.720 Could be, including my friend Melanie, who calls me completely 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:35.920 freaked out after being interviewed by police. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.800 I couldn't believe any of it. I was in shock. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:42.919 I went back to my journal to see what I 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:47.199 wrote about about my interview with the police. This is 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.359 what I wrote. I told the detective I saw Lisa 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.280 at the party, and at one point she was behind 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.400 me in line waiting for the bathroom. I told her 0:17:57.440 --> 0:17:59.800 I liked her charm bracelet, and she pointed out her 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:04.280 face charm, which was a running shoe, which made sense. 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:09.000 Lisa ran cross country in track. But yeah, I told 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.479 the detective there was nothing weird about her or anything 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.560 else that night. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:23.080 Good morning, students, it's Monday, May twenty first tickets to 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.720 the spring dance go on sale today. 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.119 You could purchase them in the cafeteria during a lunch period. 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:34.200 Less than twenty four hours after being interviewed by police, 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:38.000 the kids are back in school. News of Lisa Anderson's 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:42.440 murder fills the halls. It's the only thing anyone's talking about, 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.720 especially one of my friends, Tatiana Campbell. She's a freshman 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:47.000 like me. 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.919 I couldn't believe it. I knew Lisa. I mean, you know, 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.120 not well because she was older than us, but still, 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:02.160 oh god, I remember this so clearly. When the bell rang, 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.440 I ran to meet my friends at my locker. 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.720 In the three minutes we have between classes. Tatiana, Melanie 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.240 and I are trying to truly process what happened to Lisa. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:14.800 Here's Melanie. 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.000 I was telling them about the party since neither of 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:21.480 them were there, and I told them what I told 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:27.720 the police that Lisa seemed, I don't know normal. I 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:29.920 told them about seeing her while waiting for the bathroom 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.800 and us talking about her charm bracelet and stuff. That 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.119 was the last time I saw her. Ever. 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.520 Detective Wallace tells me that when the autopsy results come in, 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:57.560 they confirm her cause of death is blunt force trauma. 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.359 There was a lot of pressure to say of this 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:04.840 horrible crime. I wondered, was it a crime of passion 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.640 at the hands of a boyfriend or was it completely random? 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.160 Could the kids be covering up for one of their 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:16.000 own and then just like that we got a break. 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.520 Someone called in a tip about the guy who got 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.320 maddedly said the party when she turned him down for sex. 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.520 His name is Nick Kerr, an eighteen year old kid 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.560 from Northgate, the next town over. 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.600 When he came in for questioning, he looked really stressed 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.960 out and wouldn't make eye contact with me. I asked him, 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.159 since he was from Northgate, who did he know at 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:43.119 the party. He said he didn't know anyone there. He 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:44.879 and his friend had hurt there was going to be 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:48.640 a big party at this house in Mount Pine. Then 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:52.120 I asked him about Lisa. He said that he'd been 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.480 playing pool with some other guy when she came up 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.200 and asked if she could play. The winner, which turned 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:01.919 out to be him, played a few games and he 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:06.040 thought she was flirting with him, so when he suggested 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.280 they go upstairs and she said she had a boyfriend, 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:13.320 he felt dumb and embarrassed and that's why he got angry. 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.520 He also admitted he was drinking, but said he would 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.040 never do anything to hurt her. It was all talk. 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.880 I then asked him where he went after the party, 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.719 and he said he went back to his house and 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:29.200 his dad was still up so he could verify his whereabouts. 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:35.080 Police asked Nick to take a polygraph. He does and 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:39.160 he passes, although Nick's dad will still need to verify 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.400 his son was at home at the time of the murder. 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:43.520 It seems like Nick's not their guy. 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:50.040 So he were thinking if Nick Kerr didn't murder Lisa, 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:55.200 and who did. Lisa told Kerr well, allegedly told him 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:59.000 she had a boyfriend. Her mom didn't know of any boyfriend, 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.560 we thought, but the person who know best would be 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:04.600 her best friend. Tiffany Mack. 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.400 Seventeen year old Tiffany Mack is a senior at Mount 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.720 Pine High School. I didn't really know her, but she 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.959 was one of the popular girls. She had a reputation 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:20.640 for dating a lot of boys. Anyway, Detective Wallace says 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.680 he contacts Tiffany's parents and asks them to bring her 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.560 in for an interview. Late Monday, Tiffany and her parents 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.080 go down to the station together. 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:34.200 When Tiffany and her parents arrived, she looked very upset. 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.120 She went on to tell me how on Saturday night, 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:41.520 Lisa walked over to her house and then Tiffany drove 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.400 them to get pizza, then they went to the party. 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.280 The plan was that Lisa was going to sleep over 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:53.080 at Tiffany's house that night, but the sleepover never happened. 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.439 I wanted to note why not. Tiffany looked at her 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:03.199 mom and started to cry again. Then she said, Lisa 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:07.000 just started seeing someone secretly, someone her parents would not 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.760 want her to be with because he's not a good guy. 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.120 I asked if he was at the party that night. 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.680 Tiffany said she'd never met him, so she didn't know 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:20.480 what he looked like, but Lisa told her she was 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:25.240 going outside to meet him, and this was around one am. 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.879 Then I asked if she knew his name, and she 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:33.040 said she only knows him by his last name, Zimmer. 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:44.920 Seventeen year old Tiffany Mack is at the Mount Pine 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:49.040 Police station with her parents. She's just revealed the name 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:54.080 of her best friend, Lisa's secret boyfriend, Zimmer. Although she's 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:57.040 never met him, she thinks he's white and in his twenties. 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.600 So the interview room and entered the name Zimmer into 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:06.600 the system. There was only one guy who seemed to 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:10.719 fit the description of Lisa's secret boyfriend, and that was 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.440 Tom Zimmer. He was white and twenty five years old 0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:18.879 and from Tucker's City, a town about six miles away. 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:24.080 He had a lot of priors. But then I saw 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:29.120 something that stopped me cold. He was currently in prison 0:24:29.440 --> 0:24:31.920 for breaking into a woman's home and killing her over 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:37.719 her silver coin collection. So it couldn't have been that Zimmer. 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:42.399 If Lisa didn't leave with Tom Zimmer that night, I 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.520 was thinking, who the hell did she leave with. 0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:01.640 It's now been seven day since Lisa Anderson was found 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:05.760 brutally murdered. Her funeral is held at first Presbyterian church 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:09.080 and it's packed. Almost the whole town turned out to 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.359 pay the respects. We're all there. 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:19.320 It was my first funeral and it was so sad. God, 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:23.240 poor Lisa's mother Mary. You could tell how much she 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:23.879 was hurting. 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:35.200 It was just the most devastating day. I just couldn't believe. 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:37.960 What Lisa, What was it good? 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.640 After the funeral? Most go home, some go for pizza, 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:55.160 That's what we did, and others they choose to drown 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:59.000 their sorrows at the quarter Horse Saloon. What happens there? 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:00.760 Change everything? 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:03.200 Nine one? What's your emergency? 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:04.679 I don't know. 0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:08.399 I probably shouldn't be calling, but I'm the bartender at 0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.800 the Quarterhouse, and I just overheard something about that Lisa 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.760 Anderson murder. I think there are two guys in here 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:18.080 who know something about it. Can you send someone over 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:19.160 here like soon? 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.440 Detective Wallace says he gets the call and heads right 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:27.840 over with backup just in case pulls up without lights 0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.800 or sirens. He doesn't want to give anyone the chance 0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:31.800