1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: This series is inspired by true events. The stories you're 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: about to hear are fictional, and so are the characters 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:12,599 Speaker 1: who are played by actors. 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you, there are certain murders I'm 5 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 2: scared to discuss. It's just all too ugly, and I'm 6 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: scared what will happen to me if I do speak out. 7 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 3: I'm not sure why you're digging up all this old 8 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: stuff again, but I'd be careful. Don't say I didn't 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: warn you. 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: Nancy, I'm Nancy Clark. I was born and raised in 11 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: the small Midwest town of Meine. It was a great 12 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: place to grow up, lovely, picturesque, like right out of 13 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: a movie. Still looks pretty much the same. Main street 14 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: is lined with little brick storefronts built in the nineteen twenties. 15 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: A teeny limestone post office sits at the end of 16 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: the oak Tree Line block. The smell of fresh bread 17 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: from the bakery is always in the air. But even 18 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: as a young girl, I was very aware that a 19 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: lot of strange stuff seemed to happen here. I always 20 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: wanted I needed to know more. At night, i'd sneak 21 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: the newspaper under the covers with my dad's flashlight and 22 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: read about the latest tragedy to hit our town, and 23 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: I wondered, why did so many bad things keep happening? 24 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: And it seemed to only get worse. When I was 25 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: in high school in the mid eighties, we were losing 26 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: people at an alarming rate. Horrible, violent deaths, unthinkable murders. 27 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: There were so many deaths that I believed our town 28 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: had to be cursed. It felt like we were being 29 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: made to pay some awful price for something we'd done. 30 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 4: But what. 31 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: Then? 32 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: The year after my friends and I graduated, the death 33 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: seemed to just stop. I could breathe again, I could 34 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: stop worrying. I went away to college, studied communications, and 35 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: spent the next couple of decades writing for various publications. 36 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: But life took a turn recently when I had to 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: move back home to take care of my mom, who 38 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: was sick. She passed away earlier this year. As I 39 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: was packing up my childhood home, I ran across some 40 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: old newspaper articles that brought back the all two vivid 41 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: and tragic memories of my high school years, and later 42 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: that night, on the ten o'clock news. 43 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 3: This is just in A woman's body has been found 44 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: in the woods behind Mount Pine Community College. 45 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 5: A gruesome discovery in a north side home. 46 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: Again, after thirty years of peace, Mount Pine was rocked 47 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: with another murder. I tried to process this shocking news, 48 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: and I couldn't help. But wonder could this be the 49 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: beginning of another crime spree. As I slowly cleaned out 50 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: the house, I decided to revisit the murders that happened 51 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: when I was in high school. Luckily I kept detailed 52 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: diaries back then. I wanted to see if there was 53 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: anything that could really help me make sense of what 54 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: was going on in Mount Pine today. So I decided, 55 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to the people who were at 56 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: the center of these stories, police teachers, even some of 57 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: my high school friends, who may remember some really important 58 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: details from those years, details I either forgot or never 59 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: even knew in the first place. The stories I'm about 60 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: to tell you are inspired by real people and real events. 61 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: For everyone's safety, we're going to change a lot of 62 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: the details and all of the names, including my own, 63 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: and we're changing the name of our town. It's not 64 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: really called Mount Pine. I truly hope I find some answers. 65 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: At the very least it might give us all some 66 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: much needed closure. This is The Murder Years, Episode one. 67 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 6: Lisa nine, what's your emergency? 68 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: Hi? 69 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, I went back behind my born too, and I think, yeah, 70 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 7: there's a. 71 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 6: Girl there, a young girl out there. 72 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: She's dead. 73 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: It all starts on May nineteenth, nineteen eighty four, hours 74 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: before that horrific nine to one one call comes in. 75 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: Teen life in Mount Pine is all that matters? 76 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I remember it like it was yesterday. 77 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: That's Melanie Porter in nineteen eighty four. We are both 78 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: fourteen years old and freshman at Mount Pine High School. 79 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: Melanie's my best friend. 80 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 5: May nineteen, it was a Saturday. I looked it up 81 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 5: in my journal, and that day I had just gotten 82 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 5: done with being grounded for spending too much money on 83 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 5: a blouse. 84 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: Today, Melanie's fifty two and owns a party planning business 85 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: in Mount Pine. 86 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 5: I got all my homework done, finished my chores, and 87 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 5: was super excited because that night I was going to 88 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 5: a party at Tammy's house. Her parents were going to 89 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 5: be out of town at some Amway convention or something. 90 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: I didn't go to that party, and I can't remember 91 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: why exactly. But Melanie, she remembers a lot about how 92 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: excited she was to go. 93 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 5: I remember picking out what I was gonna wear took 94 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 5: me like forever, seriously. Around seven point thirty, I heard 95 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 5: a honk outside, so I grabbed my purse, kissed my 96 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 5: parents good night, then I headed out to Scott, who 97 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 5: was sitting in his dad's light blue Ford Thunderbird also 98 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 5: known as the Blue Ballmer. Scott was two years older. 99 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 5: He was sixteen and just got his driver's license. 100 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: On the way to the party, Melanie says, she and 101 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: Scott go through Danny's drive through. Scott has a fake 102 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: ID which he uses to buy Melanie some peach snaps 103 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: in a case of Old Milwaukee for himself. Yeah, you 104 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: could buy alcohol from the comfort of your own car 105 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: back then and then drive. 106 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 5: So then we drove down County Road H twenty nine 107 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 5: on our way to the party. 108 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty four. Mount Pine has a population of 109 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: around twelve thousand people, so pretty small, very rural, lots 110 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: of farms and tons of lakes in town. We have 111 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: one pizza joint, one bank, one supermarket, and one high school. 112 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: Our school is small and unassuming, a one story brick 113 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: box with narrow slit windows. It looks more like a 114 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: prison than a high school. 115 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 5: When we got to the party, Tammy's house was packed. 116 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 5: There must have been like one hundred kids there. I 117 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 5: remember some kids were playing pool downstairs. Some kids were 118 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 5: drinking ever clear at the kitchen table. Some kids were 119 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 5: smoking pot outside. 120 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: Melanie says, just before midnight, the kids with curfews leave, 121 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: kids like her and Scott, They're gone, I hear through 122 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: the grapevine. Others stay later. The last ones leave around 123 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: three am. What happens next? No one sees coming. 124 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 6: Nine. What's your emergency? 125 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 7: I yeah, I went back behind my barn too, and 126 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 7: I think, oh my god, she's so young. She looks 127 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 7: really really bad. There's a lot of blood and her 128 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 7: head is all smashed in. Please come quick. 129 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 6: Officers are on their way. 130 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: Police are dispatched to a location about three miles away 131 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: from Tammy's party. 132 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 8: Up until that and I we really didn't have murders 133 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 8: in Mount Pine. 134 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: I tracked down the first officer who arrived on the 135 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: scene that day, Officer Pat Shepherd. Back then he has 136 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: two months on the job and has never been two 137 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: or worked a murder scene. 138 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 8: I mean, they've only been like four in the previous 139 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 8: twenty five years. 140 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: Today, Pat Shepherd is a sergeant with Mount Pine PD. 141 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: He said he doesn't even need to check his files 142 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: on the case because he remembers it so clearly. 143 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 8: Since this was my first one, I was nervous, I remember, 144 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 8: I felt sick to my stomach. So I arrived that 145 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 8: day around seven am found the body of a teenage 146 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 8: girl behind a barn. The nine one one caller had 147 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 8: no idea who she was or how she got there. 148 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 8: She had been severely beaten. 149 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: In the head and face. 150 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 8: Her jeans and pink tank top were soaked blood. We 151 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 8: didn't know with what though, because there was no weapon nearby. 152 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 8: It appeared she'd been killed somewhere else and dumped there, 153 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 8: and it seemed like she hadt met dead for more 154 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 8: than a few hours. Then more officers arrived and searched 155 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 8: the surrounding area. About two hundred yards from the body, 156 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 8: in the woods behind the barn, an officer found a 157 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 8: white purse in it, where a set of keys on 158 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 8: a Duran Duran keychain, bublgum, flared lipsmackers, a wallet with 159 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 8: six dollars and a driver's license. That's when we were 160 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 8: able to identify. 161 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: Our victim, Seventeen year old Lisa Anderson, was a senior 162 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: at Mount Pine High School. She ran track and worked 163 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: at Buddy's, the local ice cream shop. She was nice 164 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: to everyone. Back in nineteen eighty four, Detective Tom Wallace 165 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: is the lead investigator on the case. Today, he's in 166 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: his seventies and retired. Wallace agrees to talk with me 167 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: about the case. 168 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: This one, this one was hard. I knew the family. 169 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: They were a good family, and they'd already been through 170 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: so much. 171 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: Detective Wallace is talking about what happened to Lisa's younger 172 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: brother only a year before, he dove headfirst into Owl Lake, 173 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: breaking his neck. He became paralyzed and eventually moved into 174 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: a home where to this day he's still getting round 175 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: the clock care. Their mom, Mary is now in her 176 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: mid seventies. I asked if she'd be willing to speak 177 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: with me, and she says yes, even though it's still painful. 178 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: She feels like she doesn't get the chance to talk 179 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: about her daughter, Lisa enough. 180 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 9: So I remember that day unfortunately, like it was yesterday. 181 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 9: I was cooking scramble that haggs with graft singles and 182 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 9: oh and sausage links and then there was someone at 183 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 9: the front door knocking. I was thinking, why was someone 184 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 9: at the front door this early on a weekend? So 185 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 9: I put the Spachela down and walked towards the front door. 186 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 9: But before I even got there, I saw Tom Wallace, well, 187 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 9: detective Tom Wallace through the beveled glass. You see, we 188 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 9: went to Mount Pine High School together. But but I 189 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 9: couldn't imagine why he was at the house. We sat 190 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 9: down in the living room. His corduroy jacket stunk from cigarettes. Well, 191 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 9: then Wallace said the word's eye I will never forget. 192 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 9: He said, I'm so sorry, but we found Lisa today, 193 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:37,599 Speaker 9: and she said. 194 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 4: So. 195 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 9: Wallace kept talking, but I couldn't hear him. He was talking, 196 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 9: but my eyes were scanning our living room instead. 197 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 5: I was fixating on the things. 198 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 9: In the living room that were Lisa's, like, like there 199 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 9: was a pair of Lisa's white kids by the front door, 200 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 9: in her blue jean booked bag with buttons all over it, 201 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 9: that was right next to the TV trade where she 202 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 9: always did her homework. Then Wallace asked me when I 203 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 9: saw Lisa last, and I told him it was around 204 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 9: eight o'clock the night before. She said she was going 205 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 9: to a party with a best friend, Tiffany, and then 206 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 9: she was going to spend the night at Tiffany's. 207 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: Detective Wallace learns the party was at the house of 208 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: some girl, naw Tammy. 209 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: I remember I hugged Mary goodbye, and as it walked 210 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 3: to my car, I could hear her wailing. It was 211 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: pretty brutal. 212 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: Detective Wallace tells me that next he goes to talk 213 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: with the host of the party, Tammy, who happens to 214 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: be in big trouble with her parents for having the 215 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: blowout while they were away. Tammy tells Wallace she saw 216 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: Lisa at the party, but all seem fine with her. 217 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: Tammy agrees to write down the names of everyone at 218 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: our house with her parents' permission. Detective Wallace looks around 219 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: the home and property. A few red plastic cups still 220 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: litter the floor, but much of the party has been 221 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: cleaned up. He doesn't see anything suspicious. Within a couple 222 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: of hours, the lobby at the police station is packed 223 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: with really shaking up teens. 224 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: These kids looked nervous. I reassured them they wouldn't get 225 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: in trouble for drinking or smoking pot. We just wanted 226 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: to ask some questions, try to find out what they 227 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: saw or heard and if they knew what may have 228 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 3: happened to Lisa. We audio taped these interviews. 229 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: After a lot of digging, Detective Wallace is able to 230 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: track down some of those recordings. 231 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 10: I don't want to get in trouble, okay, but Lisa 232 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 10: gave me one of her one of her California coolers, 233 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 10: and she seemed like she was in a good mood. 234 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 5: She kept asking me what time it was I saw 235 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 5: her outside. She let me use her lipsmackers. We talked 236 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 5: about chemistry class and how mister Kober gave me attention 237 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 5: for talking too much. 238 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: A few hours later, it's fifteen year old Bobby McCabe's turn, 239 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: a tall and lanky kid with jet black hair. 240 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 4: I saw Lisa plainpool with a guy had never seen before. 241 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 4: They were like, they're having fun. 242 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:57,359 Speaker 2: With Then. 243 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 4: I heard him assports go upstairs. 244 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 8: With him and. 245 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 4: That's why all the kids were making out, were having 246 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 4: sex or whatever, and she said no, I have a boyfriend, 247 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 4: and the guy got. 248 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 5: Mad, like really mad. 249 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: I mean he threw down his pool stick and said, 250 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 4: you're a fucking Copti's and a fucking bitch. 251 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: I'm listening to the mount Pine Peades interviews with the 252 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: kids who were at the party the night before where 253 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: Lisa Anderson was last seen alive, and investigators may have 254 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: gotten their first real lead from fifteen year old Bobby McCabe. 255 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: He just told detectives he saw some guy get really 256 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: angry at Lisa when she turned him down for sex, 257 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: and there's more. 258 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 4: On his way out. I heard him say he was 259 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 4: going to get hurt back for this. She will pay 260 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 4: for this. 261 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: So Bobby described the guy as late teen's tall, brown, 262 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 3: shaggy hair, and he was wearing a concert t shirt, 263 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: but he couldn't remember which one. The interviews with the 264 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 3: partygoers lasted into the early morning hours, but none of 265 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: the other kids reported seeing anything strange or any of 266 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 3: that exchange between Lisa and the angry guy. In fact, 267 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: none of them even knew who that guy. 268 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: Could be, including my friend Melanie, who calls me completely 269 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: freaked out after being interviewed by police. 270 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 5: I couldn't believe any of it. I was in shock. 271 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 5: I went back to my journal to see what I 272 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 5: wrote about about my interview with the police. This is 273 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 5: what I wrote. I told the detective I saw Lisa 274 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 5: at the party, and at one point she was behind 275 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 5: me in line waiting for the bathroom. I told her 276 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 5: I liked her charm bracelet, and she pointed out her 277 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 5: face charm, which was a running shoe, which made sense. 278 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 5: Lisa ran cross country in track. But yeah, I told 279 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 5: the detective there was nothing weird about her or anything 280 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 5: else that night. 281 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: Good morning, students, it's Monday, May twenty first tickets to 282 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: the spring dance go on sale today. 283 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 10: You could purchase them in the cafeteria during a lunch period. 284 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: Less than twenty four hours after being interviewed by police, 285 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: the kids are back in school. News of Lisa Anderson's 286 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: murder fills the halls. It's the only thing anyone's talking about, 287 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: especially one of my friends, Tatiana Campbell. She's a freshman 288 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: like me. 289 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. I knew Lisa. I mean, you know, 290 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 2: not well because she was older than us, but still, 291 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: oh god, I remember this so clearly. When the bell rang, 292 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 2: I ran to meet my friends at my locker. 293 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: In the three minutes we have between classes. Tatiana, Melanie 294 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: and I are trying to truly process what happened to Lisa. 295 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: Here's Melanie. 296 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 5: I was telling them about the party since neither of 297 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 5: them were there, and I told them what I told 298 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 5: the police that Lisa seemed, I don't know normal. I 299 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 5: told them about seeing her while waiting for the bathroom 300 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 5: and us talking about her charm bracelet and stuff. That 301 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 5: was the last time I saw her. Ever. 302 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: Detective Wallace tells me that when the autopsy results come in, 303 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: they confirm her cause of death is blunt force trauma. 304 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: There was a lot of pressure to say of this 305 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: horrible crime. I wondered, was it a crime of passion 306 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 3: at the hands of a boyfriend or was it completely random? 307 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 3: Could the kids be covering up for one of their 308 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 3: own and then just like that we got a break. 309 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: Someone called in a tip about the guy who got 310 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: maddedly said the party when she turned him down for sex. 311 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: His name is Nick Kerr, an eighteen year old kid 312 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: from Northgate, the next town over. 313 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 3: When he came in for questioning, he looked really stressed 314 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: out and wouldn't make eye contact with me. I asked him, 315 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 3: since he was from Northgate, who did he know at 316 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 3: the party. He said he didn't know anyone there. He 317 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 3: and his friend had hurt there was going to be 318 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 3: a big party at this house in Mount Pine. Then 319 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 3: I asked him about Lisa. He said that he'd been 320 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 3: playing pool with some other guy when she came up 321 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 3: and asked if she could play. The winner, which turned 322 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 3: out to be him, played a few games and he 323 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: thought she was flirting with him, so when he suggested 324 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 3: they go upstairs and she said she had a boyfriend, 325 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: he felt dumb and embarrassed and that's why he got angry. 326 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: He also admitted he was drinking, but said he would 327 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 3: never do anything to hurt her. It was all talk. 328 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: I then asked him where he went after the party, 329 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 3: and he said he went back to his house and 330 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 3: his dad was still up so he could verify his whereabouts. 331 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: Police asked Nick to take a polygraph. He does and 332 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: he passes, although Nick's dad will still need to verify 333 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: his son was at home at the time of the murder. 334 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: It seems like Nick's not their guy. 335 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 3: So he were thinking if Nick Kerr didn't murder Lisa, 336 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: and who did. Lisa told Kerr well, allegedly told him 337 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: she had a boyfriend. Her mom didn't know of any boyfriend, 338 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: we thought, but the person who know best would be 339 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: her best friend. Tiffany Mack. 340 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: Seventeen year old Tiffany Mack is a senior at Mount 341 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: Pine High School. I didn't really know her, but she 342 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: was one of the popular girls. She had a reputation 343 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: for dating a lot of boys. Anyway, Detective Wallace says 344 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: he contacts Tiffany's parents and asks them to bring her 345 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: in for an interview. Late Monday, Tiffany and her parents 346 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: go down to the station together. 347 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 3: When Tiffany and her parents arrived, she looked very upset. 348 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 3: She went on to tell me how on Saturday night, 349 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: Lisa walked over to her house and then Tiffany drove 350 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 3: them to get pizza, then they went to the party. 351 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 3: The plan was that Lisa was going to sleep over 352 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 3: at Tiffany's house that night, but the sleepover never happened. 353 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 3: I wanted to note why not. Tiffany looked at her 354 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 3: mom and started to cry again. Then she said, Lisa 355 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 3: just started seeing someone secretly, someone her parents would not 356 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: want her to be with because he's not a good guy. 357 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,120 Speaker 3: I asked if he was at the party that night. 358 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: Tiffany said she'd never met him, so she didn't know 359 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: what he looked like, but Lisa told her she was 360 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: going outside to meet him, and this was around one am. 361 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 3: Then I asked if she knew his name, and she 362 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: said she only knows him by his last name, Zimmer. 363 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: Seventeen year old Tiffany Mack is at the Mount Pine 364 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: Police station with her parents. She's just revealed the name 365 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: of her best friend, Lisa's secret boyfriend, Zimmer. Although she's 366 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: never met him, she thinks he's white and in his twenties. 367 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: So the interview room and entered the name Zimmer into 368 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: the system. There was only one guy who seemed to 369 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 3: fit the description of Lisa's secret boyfriend, and that was 370 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: Tom Zimmer. He was white and twenty five years old 371 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 3: and from Tucker's City, a town about six miles away. 372 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 3: He had a lot of priors. But then I saw 373 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 3: something that stopped me cold. He was currently in prison 374 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 3: for breaking into a woman's home and killing her over 375 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 3: her silver coin collection. So it couldn't have been that Zimmer. 376 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 3: If Lisa didn't leave with Tom Zimmer that night, I 377 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: was thinking, who the hell did she leave with. 378 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: It's now been seven day since Lisa Anderson was found 379 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: brutally murdered. Her funeral is held at first Presbyterian church 380 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: and it's packed. Almost the whole town turned out to 381 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: pay the respects. We're all there. 382 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 5: It was my first funeral and it was so sad. God, 383 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 5: poor Lisa's mother Mary. You could tell how much she 384 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 5: was hurting. 385 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 9: It was just the most devastating day. I just couldn't believe. 386 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 5: What Lisa, What was it good? 387 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: After the funeral? Most go home, some go for pizza, 388 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: That's what we did, and others they choose to drown 389 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: their sorrows at the quarter Horse Saloon. What happens there? 390 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: Change everything? 391 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 6: Nine one? What's your emergency? 392 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 4: I don't know. 393 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 10: I probably shouldn't be calling, but I'm the bartender at 394 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 10: the Quarterhouse, and I just overheard something about that Lisa 395 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 10: Anderson murder. I think there are two guys in here 396 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 10: who know something about it. Can you send someone over 397 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 10: here like soon? 398 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: Detective Wallace says he gets the call and heads right 399 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: over with backup just in case pulls up without lights 400 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: or sirens. He doesn't want to give anyone the chance 401 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: or time to run. 402 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 3: Once we got inside, the bartender subtly waved us over 403 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 3: to the end of the bar. She said, these two 404 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: guys walked in she'd never seen them before. They ordered beers, 405 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: She carded them, and then they went to playpool, and 406 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 3: that's when the bartender indicated with her eyes the two 407 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 3: guys were still there, back behind her and to the right. 408 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 3: She said. When they sat down at the bar, there 409 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 3: was a program from Lisa Anderson's memorial service nearby. She 410 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 3: heard one of the guys say, what a fucking night 411 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 3: that was. She barely put up a fight. Then they 412 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 3: both laughed. She said her gun told her she had 413 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: to call nine to one one and report it. These 414 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 3: guys looked rough. One had a long scar under his 415 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: left eye. I noticed specks of dark brown and the 416 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: one guy's iron Maiden T shirt. My gut was telling 417 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: me it was blood. So I identified myself and asked 418 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: him his name. He said, my name is Joe Zimmer. 419 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 3: Joe Zimmer. I asked them if he and his friend, 420 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 3: who'd ideed himself as Mark Tolman, would be willing to 421 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: come to the station with me and answer some questions. 422 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: So we were at the station and I asked Zimmer 423 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 3: some basic questions about himself. He said he came from 424 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: a broken family. His dad basically was never around. He 425 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: dropped out of Tucker City High School a few years 426 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: before to work construction. Oh when he said his brother 427 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: Tom Zimmer was in prison for the murder of some lady, 428 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 3: but he didn't do it. Then I asked him about 429 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: the stains on his shirt and shoes, and he stopped 430 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 3: and said it was blood, his blood. He said it 431 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 3: happened on the job. I then asked him if he 432 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: knew Lisa Anderson, and to my surprise, he said yes. 433 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: He said he and Lisa started hanging out a couple 434 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 3: of weeks ago and they were having fun. It wasn't 435 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 3: anything serious. I asked him if he heard about Lisa 436 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: Anderson's murder, and again he said yes. Zimmer said he 437 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 3: even saw her that night. He said he picked Lisa 438 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: up from the party and they went to his house. 439 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 3: They were fooling around and he wanted to do more 440 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 3: than she did, so they stopped and he drove her 441 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 3: to Tiffany's. I drove off. He said, he pulled away 442 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: before she got inside, so someone probably abducted her from 443 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: Tiffany's front steps and then killed her. 444 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: Disgusted and not buying one ounce of Zimmer's story, Detective 445 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: Wallace says he goes into Interrogation Room three to see 446 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: what Zimmer's friend Mark Tolman may know. 447 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 3: I came right out and asked him what happened to 448 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: Lisa Anderson. I was fully expecting him to say he 449 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 3: didn't know, but that was not what happened. Tolman asked 450 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 3: if he could get some sort of plea deal if 451 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 3: he talked, and I told him, just talk and sort 452 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 3: that stuff out later, he said. Late Saturday night, Zimmer 453 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: met Lisa outside the party and drove her to his 454 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: house for They drank some beer and pooled around he sat. 455 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: Around four am. Lisa asked Zimber to take her to 456 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 3: Tiffany's house, but he didn't want her to leave. Zimer 457 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 3: talked her into going for a romantic walk with him 458 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: in the woods behind his house before he'd take her 459 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 3: to Tiffany's, and when she wasn't looking, he picked up 460 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 3: a brick and hit her in the head from behind. 461 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: She fell down, and then he smashed her head and 462 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 3: face in with the bricks several times until she stopped moving. 463 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 3: Zimmer then called him to come over. When he got 464 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 3: to Zimmer's house, Zimmer confessed Tolman asked him why he 465 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 3: did it, and Zimmer said because he wanted to see 466 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 3: what it was like to watch someone die. Then Zimmer 467 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 3: made Tolman help him clean up. They wrapped Lisa's body 468 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 3: in a tar and drove her to where they jumped her, 469 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,719 Speaker 3: not far from the party. 470 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: So if Tolman's account is to be believed, it seems 471 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: like it was a senseless thrill kill. But Detective Wallace 472 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: knows they'll need more. They will need physical evidence to 473 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: tie Joe Zimmer to Lisa's murder. They get it when 474 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: they search Zimmer's car and find blood in the trunk 475 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: that will come back to match Lisa Anderson's blood type. 476 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: Joe Zimmer is arrested in charge with first degree murder. 477 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: His friend, Mark Tolman is charged with being an accessory 478 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: after the fact. He accepts to reduce sentence in exchange 479 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: for his testimony. The trial begins on December third, nineteen 480 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: eighty four. Joe Zimmer never takes the stand. On the 481 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: sixth day, the case goes to the jury. They come 482 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: back in one hour in seventeen minutes with a verdict guilty. 483 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: Joe Zimmer is sentenced to life without parole. You could 484 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: almost hear the collective sigh of relief reverberate from the 485 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: ice cream shop to the public library. 486 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 5: We felt like maybe we didn't have to be so 487 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 5: on edge anymore now that he was going away. But 488 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 5: still her poor mom. 489 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 9: Sure he was going to be locked up forever, but 490 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 9: that wasn't going to bring my baby back. 491 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 5: Ever, that can never bring my baby back. 492 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: It's true, Lisa Anderson is gone, and her murder, that 493 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: first murder in May of nineteen eighty four, changes us. 494 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 5: So why did it happen? 495 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: I mean, the Zimmer family produced two brothers who both 496 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: became killers. It be chalked up to one messed up family. 497 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: But if that was the case, those brothers were behind bars. 498 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: So why did the murders still keep coming? 499 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 5: Coming up? 500 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: This season? On The Murder Years. 501 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 6: Nine one one, What's your emergency? 502 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 4: There are lots of gunshots, but I think I just 503 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 4: oh my god. 504 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 505 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 11: I mean, it was like how many more of us 506 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 11: were going to die? 507 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 5: And who would be next? I was scared. I mean 508 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 5: I just kept feeling it and saying it. I don't know, 509 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 5: I'm sure I was a broken record, but I was 510 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 5: really scared. 511 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 11: They knew we had been through so much shit, so 512 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 11: much death those last couple of years, and so many 513 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 11: of us were really screwed up in the head trying 514 00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 11: to process it all. 515 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 3: I was starting to come around to thinking maybe Mount 516 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: Pyne was cursed. 517 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 12: Somehow we managed to survive the Murder Years. Not everyone 518 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 12: was as lucky. 519 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,320 Speaker 1: The Murder Years is a production of AYR Media and iHeartMedia. 520 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: Executive producer Elisa Rosen for AYR Media, co executive producer 521 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: Paulina Williams. Written by Leah Rothman, directed by Michael Selditch. 522 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: Original concept developed in partnership with Anne, Margaret Johns and 523 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: Greg Spring. Casting by Eisenberg Beans Casting Senior Associate producer 524 00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: Eric Newman, Associate producer Jill Pushesnik. Editing in sound as 525 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: by Tristan Bankston, mastering by Cameron Taggie, Audio engineering by 526 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: Matt Jacobson, Studio engineering by Jay Brannan. Legal counsel for 527 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 1: a y R Media, Gianni Douglas, Executive producer for iHeartMedia, 528 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: Maya Howard. Performances for this episode by Gabrielle Carteris as 529 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: Nancy Clark, Kelly Deadman as Tatiana, Orla Cassidy as Melanie 530 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: Maricilda Garcia as Carla beau Kine as Officer Shephard. Annie 531 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: Abbott is Mary Anderson, Carolyn Jania as nine one one caller, 532 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: Carolyn Jania as voicemail caller number two. Charles Carroll as 533 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: Prosecutor Blythe Desiree Rodriguez is nine one one operator H. 534 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: Richard Greene as Detective Wallace, James B. Kennedy as Young 535 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: Principal Palumbo, Joe Pachico as nine one caller Number one, 536 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: John Ralston Craig as Reporter Number one. John Ralston Craig 537 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: as voicemail caller Number one. Sarah Alasco as girl in 538 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: police Interview Number one. Sarah Alasco as girl in Police 539 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: Interview Number two, you Donna Daniels as Reporter number two. 540 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 1: Zakma is Bobby McCabe Zakma as boy in police Interview. 541 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 1: Additional voices by Alex Salem.