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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noaul.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: you to know, featuring the most important part of this show.

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Speaker 3: You specifically you, if you are Samurai, ancient astronaut, Chick

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Speaker 3: and Kelly or some other people, we may have some

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Speaker 3: has contacted us via social media, through a wija board,

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Speaker 3: get correspondents from some of the absolute smartest people we know.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have a lot of follow ups in

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Speaker 3: this week's listener mail segment. We're going to learn about

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Speaker 3: drug policy, excited to hear about stuff hotels don't want

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Speaker 3: you to know. And before we do any of that,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking we kick off with a piece of

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Speaker 3: correspondence that will prompt an interesting discussion. I believe it's

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Speaker 3: from our long time recurring correspondent, none other than Samurai.

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Speaker 3: You guys remember Samurai, right? How could I forget? How

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Speaker 3: could I forget? Samurai writes a pretty in depth response

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Speaker 3: to our recent Strange News segment, and I'll read parts

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Speaker 3: specifically spoke to him in that segment, says Samurai, here,

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Speaker 3: this last Strange News segment had to be one of

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Speaker 3: your best. Though, I would suggest Matt not go into

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Speaker 3: career in sex ad for any school district. I think

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Speaker 3: he's kidding, Matt.

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Speaker 2: I know lots about sex Samurai so much.

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Speaker 3: Yes, our kids at Fairfax would eat him alive for

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Speaker 3: the way he presented his treatise on procreations. So that's

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Speaker 3: just by the way, we know Samurai well enough that

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Speaker 3: he can always, you know, give us a little ah

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Speaker 3: So so Samurai talks to us about some of the

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Speaker 3: dangers of drugs, which we may save for a future exploration.

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Speaker 3: That wanted to highlight what Samurai is saying in response

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Speaker 3: to three Parent News. You'll recall recently, folks that we

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Speaker 3: we talked about a beautiful, slash terrifying breakthrough in the

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Speaker 3: Uniting Kingdom whereby you can hack a child, basically hack

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Speaker 3: sniping in just a little bit of DNA from a

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Speaker 3: and miss with this. I see the benefits, but I

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Speaker 3: also have to think that nature knows how to do

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Speaker 3: please do. I'm going to co sign Samurai. It's great

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Speaker 3: if you're a fan of science fiction. There are a

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Speaker 3: warning three two one. Here we go. The character James

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Speaker 3: Holden is from a genetic collective in Montana that has

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Speaker 3: that when a child is conceived, there is a shard,

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Speaker 3: There's a wonderful letter, really like the way Samurai writes,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're still not there yet, and I think

435
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Speaker 4: we're miles light years away.

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Speaker 3: From anything like that in the United States.

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Speaker 4: So there are some places that I believe are you know,

438
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Speaker 4: maybe inching towards more or more of this kind of thinking,

439
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 4: like you know Portland for example.

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Speaker 3: Oh did you see Malaysia. This will interest Kelly as well,

441
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Speaker 3: Kelly Matt everybody Malaysia is aiming to introduce the law

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Speaker 3: to decriminalize the possession and use of small quantities of drugs.

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Speaker 3: And the reason they're doing it is because they have

444
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Speaker 3: to reduce prison overcrowding because so many people have been arrested.

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00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 3: And as you know, the Southeast Asian theater there is

446
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Speaker 3: incredibly strict us on every drug but alcohol and tobacco.

447
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: That's right.

448
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Speaker 4: Have even heard of certain cases where folks are in

449
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Speaker 4: danger of being executed?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right. Several countries for a while had,

451
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Speaker 3: like Malaysia, had a death penalty on the books for

452
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Speaker 3: selling drugs. You can check out any number of lists

453
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: like Iran, Thailand, and Thailand recently decriminalized cannabis. I believe Dubai,

454
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia essentially check. We're not going to judge you, folks,

455
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Speaker 3: but whenever you travel somewhere, check in advance to see

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Speaker 3: what their policy is towards these substances. And keep in

457
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 3: mind that in some cases people can and have been

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Speaker 3: arrested for possession because they failed a drug test and

459
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Speaker 3: having a trace of something like cannabis or insert whatever

460
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: thing here in your system. Authorities counted that as possessing it.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty gnarly in my opinion.

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Speaker 4: Sure, I mean, look at the case of Brittany Griner,

463
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Speaker 4: you know, the w NBA player who was detained in

464
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Speaker 4: Russia for having thc vape cartridges.

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Speaker 3: Obviously there was a lot of political theater involved.

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Speaker 4: In that entertainment, you know, because we don't play super

467
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Speaker 4: nice with Russia, and they wanted to make a big

468
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Speaker 4: you know, big to do of it and a big

469
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Speaker 4: splash of it and sort of flex on us. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's scary stuff. If you're in a country you're unfamiliar

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Speaker 4: with and you get caught with something like that, you

472
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: could be thrown in jail and subject to their laws.

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Speaker 3: It's terrifying thought. And we'll have to be politically convenient

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Speaker 3: and expedient for your home government to make enough of

475
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Speaker 3: a stink to get you back.

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00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 4: Right, you could just be left to rot and unless

477
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: you know enough people raise a fuss. Like you said, Ben,

478
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: that's just that's all she wrote. You know, it absolutely

479
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: could go that way. We teased a podcast recommendation Kelly

480
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 4: goes on, want to learn about the real situation from

481
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: people who have been on the ground and lived through

482
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 4: the past two medical crises. Crack Down podcast is the

483
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: recommendation that Kelly can't recommend enough.

484
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: Ps. You should also look into Edison.

485
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: Motors, who's developing a production semi truck that is a

486
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: play again hybrid. They're doing phenomenal work here in British

487
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: Columbia as well. I don't know it's all in there.

488
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 4: I think we kind of had the conversation as we went. Honestly,

489
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Speaker 4: Kelly d thank you for this from the ground insight.

490
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: I think we're all on the same page at the

491
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: very least that drug addiction should be treated as that,

492
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 4: you know, addiction as a mental health crisis and not

493
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: a punitive litigation based crisis. You know, and we also

494
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: know from our conversations with Jason Flahm and the Lava

495
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: for Good folks in that panel that we're looking forward

496
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 4: to releasing soon that a lot of the laws in

497
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Speaker 4: the United States that do exercise such draconian influence over

498
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: people's lives are racist inherently and designed to make people

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Speaker 4: powerless and basically capitalize on their mental health crises and

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Speaker 4: throw them into a system that they will be hard

501
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Speaker 4: pressed to ever.

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Speaker 3: Find their way out of.

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Speaker 4: For the purposes of free labor headshaking, going with them

504
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 4: with it, Matt, I mean, it sucks. It's like, we've

505
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 4: all known people that have struggled with addiction, and we've

506
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: all seen how it can have a horrible impact on

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00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: families and on you know, people's jobs and livelihoods and

508
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: people's health. But at the end of the day, these

509
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 4: are people who are struggling and suffering and often given

510
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: the options and the opportunity, would want to get past that.

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Speaker 4: I think, I don't know. I don't want to speak

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00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 4: for y'all. I just I think that's been my observation.

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00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: Well, as soon as it becomes I mean, look at

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00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: the cannabis legislation, as soon as it becomes more profitable

515
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 3: to have a different drug policy, that will occur. However,

516
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: we have to remember that powerful forces, oftentimes the same

517
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: people making the laws, make money and do profit based

518
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 3: on the criminalization. It's kind of like the tobacco industry.

519
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: If you are dedicated to if you have ensconced yourself

520
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: in a system, and you're making money off of this,

521
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: no matter how much human misery it creates, then there

522
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 3: has to be a very powerful opposite force, or very

523
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: powerful enticing argument to get you to change, you know

524
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 3: what I mean, like you, you're a predator. Those forces

525
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: are predators in the human ecosystem, that's what they are

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Speaker 3: in many cases. And that's again there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of people who are doing excellent work with decriminalization. There

528
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: are a ton of people in law enforcement. They don't

529
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Speaker 3: want to jam somebody up and ruin their lives because

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Speaker 3: they were in possession of some small amount of an

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Speaker 3: ill advised drug. But if the laws force them to

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00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: do it, then they have to do it. That's right.

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Speaker 4: And we also of course know that the opioid crisis,

534
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 4: or at least you know one of them of several

535
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: here in the United States were caused by corporations, caused

536
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: by the Sackler family, you know, and the permissive prescribing

537
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: a very very powerful opiates that then became street drugs themselves,

538
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: you know, from people selling their supply they're legally obtained supply.

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00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 4: So we know there's a lot of callousness and kind

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00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: of money changing hands when it comes to gambling with

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Speaker 4: people's mental health and when it comes to these kinds

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Speaker 4: of addictions. Certain people could take a drug and take

543
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: it or leave it, walk away from it.

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00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: Never have an issue.

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Speaker 4: But there are people, whether it be genetic or whatever

546
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 4: it might be, that are predisposed to really getting that

547
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 4: monkey on your back real quick and having a very

548
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Speaker 4: difficult time turning back.

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Speaker 2: Well, guys, I've got one more crackpot idea that goes

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00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: against everything Kelly is saying. And I apologize what I've

551
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: just got to say it because if I was hold it,

552
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: then I feel bad.

553
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: It's Matt's crackpot corner.

554
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: Let's go, all right, Matt's crackpot corner. Let's massively inflate

555
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: the value of human blood, like somehow make it to

556
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: the point where human blood is crazy expensive to get,

557
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: which means donating it, like a normal amount that you

558
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: would maybe donate in a year's time equates to a

559
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: yearly salary. But it's got to be untainted by any

560
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: kind of substances. But you could just give blood and

561
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: that's all you gotta do and you just live.

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00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: All right. How are you gonna do that? Man? How

563
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: we gonna do that? I don't know. I love it

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00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: all right that this has been Matt's crackpot corner.

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Speaker 4: That's the That's the thing, though, Matt, I mean, there

566
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 4: are no simple answer there are no simple solutions. As

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00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 4: Kelly pointed out, incentivizing non drug use is very difficult

568
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: because of the medical nature of how drugs affect the brain.

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Speaker 4: You can get to a point in an addiction where

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00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 4: no amount of money is going to make you want

571
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 4: to stop doing the drug. You have to be tied down,

572
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: you know, and and and sweat it out there.

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Speaker 3: You know.

574
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 4: You this enslaves your brain and then slaves you mind.

575
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: And that's real.

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00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 3: And we're talking about the drugs that if you have anybody.

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00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: Watched the Opioid Crisis movie or series rather which is.

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Speaker 3: What is it called dope sic I think is what

579
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Speaker 3: it was called.

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Speaker 4: I mean you see astraumatized obviously, but like a character

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Speaker 4: who's prescribed oxy contin for a legitimate back injury that

582
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 4: she sustained working in like minds, you know, in very

583
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 4: difficult situation, and then just was one of those people

584
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Speaker 4: that just got a taste for it turned her into

585
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 4: a totally different person because they were fast and loose

586
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: with the types of doses they were prescribing to folks

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Speaker 4: like that without any thought into how it might affect

588
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 4: them psychologically in the long term, because it's all about profits. Sorry,

589
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 4: to soap box. This is just difficult stuff and there

590
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 4: is no easy answer. But anyway, thanks again Kelly D

591
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 4: for the insight. We're gonna take quick break and then

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Speaker 4: come back with one more piece of listener mail.

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Speaker 2: We're back and we're going to ancient astronaut Chick for

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Speaker 2: a message about a hotel or lots of hotels. Ancient

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Speaker 2: astronaut Chick says, good evening, longtime listener here, and it

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Speaker 2: is not my first time writing to y'all. Anyways, I

597
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: was listening to the latest strange news and as a Knoxville,

598
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: Tennessee native and longtime Hilton employee. Hilton, that's the hotel

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00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: we were talking about just last week. I believe I

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Speaker 2: was horrified to hear what this guest experienced at the

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Speaker 2: Hilton downtown Nashville. That's the toesucker. Guys. Since you guys

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00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: said you wanted an episode on stuff hotels don't want

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00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: you to know, I thought I would.

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Speaker 3: Share a few things awesome. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I've been employed by the Hilton franchise since twenty sixteen.

606
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: I have always been front desk and I am currently

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Speaker 2: running a front desk department in Denver. The first point

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00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: I would like to share is that it is no

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00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 2: surprise this night manager was able to access this room

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00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: because at most properties, the front desk controls all master

611
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 2: keys and can generally access these at any time. If

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00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: he was a manager, he probably even had his own

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00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: master key. Really, a hotel employee can enter your room

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00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: anytime without warning if there is not a dn D

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00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 2: on the door. That's the do not disturb sign or

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00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: light or switch or whatever you might find at your hotel.

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00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: If you have a dn D on, a staff member

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00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: must call your room prior to entering. Guys, just to

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Speaker 2: stop here really quickly. I didn't know that it actually

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00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: prevented any kind of action with host, with the hotel staff.

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Speaker 2: In my mind, even if you put that thing on

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Speaker 2: your door, let's say housekeeping or anybody else could still

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Speaker 2: walk up to your room and just knock and be like, hey,

624
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 2: what's going on in there at all.

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00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was a surprise to me as well, Matt,

626
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Speaker 3: because I mean to the point where I thought, and

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Speaker 3: maybe you can correct this on this AAC, but I

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Speaker 3: I thought it might be a Hilton specific policy. I

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Speaker 3: think it must be because we know that in cases

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Speaker 3: of emergency, law enforcement totally doesn't doesn't have to respect

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Speaker 3: the D and D sign.

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Speaker 2: Oh totally. Well, let's continue here, building off this. Unless

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00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: you have the dead bolt on your room can be

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00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: unlocked by staff, any staff really. That being said, we

635
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 2: do have a tool to unlock a dead bolt door,

636
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: as we need this for when guests accidentally latch it

637
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: and lock themselves out. My question here, guys, do you

638
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: think that includes what's that special hotel lock, like the

639
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: one that folds over on itself.

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00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: With Oh, is there a name for that? I want

641
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: to know.

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00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: It's got the little ball, a little flipping boy. Yeah,

643
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: the flippy boy.

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Speaker 3: I know.

645
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: There's some other ones.

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Speaker 3: That are a swing bar. You're called the swing bar

647
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Speaker 3: swing bar.

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00:38:53,719 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: But then there's other ones that are flatter, different flippy boys, Shane, Well.

649
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: All of which can be opened by cell staff. Yeah.

650
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: Just something that's really thin that can fit through that

651
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Speaker 2: door and push it open.

652
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Speaker 3: Swift kick.

653
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I guess that would work.

654
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: I know it can happen because I was. You might

655
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: enjoy this saying as I check. I was. I one

656
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 3: time got locked on a balcony, locked out on a

657
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: balcony of a hotel. God and the the effect I

658
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: can't remember I think this was in the US, but

659
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: the front desk people I ended up having to thankfully

660
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: at a cell phone. So I called the front desk

661
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: from the cell phone and then got someone to. A

662
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 3: very nice guy came up and broke in right, opened

663
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: those locks and then opened the balcony door such that

664
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 3: I could I could get in. It was too far

665
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 3: up for me to jump down. And uh, and I still, dude,

666
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: if you're listening, I still think you were lying to

667
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: be nice. I don't think that happens all the time.

668
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: But I really appreciate you, and I think you're a

669
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: good person. And so in this case, maybe that confirms

670
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: what AAC is telling us, because in that case we

671
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: did have someone haul in advance and grant permission to enter.

672
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: Was it at a Hilton?

673
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: I don't believe so.

674
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: Well, then we have no way to confirm.

675
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 3: We have to start hauling all of the other hotels

676
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 3: in your world all.

677
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: The four seasons? Which four seasons did Ben get locked

678
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 2: on a balcon.

679
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 4: It's perfect, exclusively and his rider the only says of

680
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 4: the four seasons, I.

681
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: Only get locked out at the four seasons.

682
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, redroof, totally fine.

683
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 4: I prefer to stay in the third season myself, that

684
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 4: was a bad hotel joke. But well, Red Roof, what's

685
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: the one where they keep the light on for you

686
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: Motel six, Tom, I'm Tom Bodett with it. Yeah, with

687
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 4: Motel six, we will keep the light on for you.

688
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: Really do those anymore? But they sure used to. Tumbledead

689
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: is now an NPR guy.

690
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: Even that, I mean, it was always like, yeah, he's

691
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 4: always on those panel shows.

692
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: I'm excited about this stuff. Hotels don't want you to

693
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: know episode I've been diving into some research here and

694
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: just I know we're continuing with your letter AAC just

695
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 3: to say thank you. It's it's tremendously helpful.

696
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely thank you. Oh guys, I just want

697
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: to know about towels, like how clean are those towels? Really?

698
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: I want to talk about comforters, do Vey covers, right,

699
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: I want to talk.

700
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 3: About also the yeah, the UV light thing. Some people

701
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: who are germophobes are quite particular, have a really difficult

702
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: time with hotels basically tried taking their own decontamination kits.

703
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 4: And was it you that pointed out that the top

704
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 4: sheet is your worst enemy or the duvet that definitely

705
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 4: never lay on that top because they don't clean it

706
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 4: as much or something like that.

707
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 3: Maybe it was you, I can't recall, maybe so, but

708
00:41:59,440 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: you know.

709
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 4: The the underparts they definitely launder fully every time, but

710
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: apparently the cover always get rid of that.

711
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and keeping books in the like I have left

712
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: copies of the stuff they don't want, you know, book

713
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: in hotels, like the Guinea Bible. You just replace that, right,

714
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: it's the Gideon Bible or the Book of Mormon. And

715
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think that's a crime. Yeah, I'm

716
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: pretty sure it's not.

717
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 4: I don't think leaving people free stuff in a drawers

718
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 4: ever a crime unless what it is, Yeah, or like

719
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 4: a virus or something.

720
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 3: That's right, if you've got in a post it note

721
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: that says go nuts, then you're probably culpable in any

722
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: any untoward situation that would occur.

723
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, yeah, let's get back to the email.

724
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: And then there's just one or two other things I

725
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: want to talk about just on that in that vein

726
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: at the end. Guys, Uh, let's get back to the email.

727
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 2: The second point is going further into what you said

728
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 2: about Hilton not taking ownership of this issue because it

729
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 2: was a franchised property. Most hotels have three parties involved

730
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: with the establishment, one the building owner to the management company,

731
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: and three the parent franchise company at any given time.

732
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: If a property dips below quote brand standards for too long. Again,

733
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 2: these are Hilton brand standards we're talking about, it can

734
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: be stripped of its franchise name. Ooh, that would be

735
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: a mark on the hotel's character. As an employee of Hilton,

736
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: I'm actually not employed by them, but by the management

737
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 2: company that runs my property. So whoever hired this toe

738
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: sucking man is actually the management company that runs that property,

739
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: and Hilton would not have any say in it at all.

740
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: This can get tricky as some hotels are Hilton owned

741
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: and managed, But to get more confusing, Hilton owns their

742
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: own management company, which is what runs those properties managed

743
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: by Hilton Latrushka dolls.

744
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 4: As you'd say, Ben, I mean it gives there's like

745
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 4: a firewall of of culpability, right, keeps the higher ups

746
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 4: insulated from any kind of faults.

747
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: Oh.

748
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think that's exactly what we're dealing with, guys.

749
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: And it takes me to just another thing that I

750
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: want to talk about in that stuff. Hotels don't want

751
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 2: you to know episode potential clandestine surveillance in places that

752
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: have a lot of diplomats maybe, or you know, places

753
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: right like especially the higher end hotels that are specifically

754
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: aimed at that kind of clientele. I always wonder about that.

755
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 3: See, it's a real thing. Yeah, I mean really especially

756
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: during especially during the Cold War, but even now afterwards.

757
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: Of course, like there's standing orders in a lot of countries.

758
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 3: If you're traveling in the US. The private industry guys

759
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: get it too that you should just assume you are

760
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: being recorded in your hotel room, even in your bathroom.

761
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.

762
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 4: How they got a honeytrap you if they're not running

763
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: twenty four to seven surveill.

764
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Oh it's creepy to think about.

765
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was in a place in beautiful

766
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: place in Diplomatic or Tokyo. I think you we all

767
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 3: talked about this we're hanging out off air, and I

768
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: realized that this guy who worked at the restaurant easily

769
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: spoke six languages and was pretending to not be super

770
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: great at them, and could clearly clock what other people

771
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: who were working for embassies what they were talking about.

772
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 3: And it was creepy to see him just like flawlessly

773
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 3: slide into Dutch.

774
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just listening and you've got a tiny little

775
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 2: notepad and he's like.

776
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: That.

777
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 4: I can't help but think of a of a of

778
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 4: a story or I believe like it was a Pastebin

779
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: thing you found with another insider bit of information from

780
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 4: I believe JP Morgan Chase about insane levels of surveillance

781
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 4: happening to employees of that company, which I believe we're

782
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 4: going to roll into an episode that's coming, but.

783
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: It's wild stuff, Like I was blown away by that.

784
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 4: I mean, like borderline like retinal tracking, you know what

785
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 4: I mean, like like really micro level invasive surveillance, well

786
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 4: beyond the scope of what is appropriate for an employer

787
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 4: to be able to say, oh, it's all about productivity.

788
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: Now, the good folks at the Hilton are not doing anything.

789
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: They're not. Our minds tend to go to the nth degree. Yeah,

790
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: you know, and it'd be very easy to it would

791
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: be very easy to put in uh, some small surveillance devices.

792
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: It's just a possibility. The real question is is it

793
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: worth going to that trouble? That's the question people are

794
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: going to answer, you know.

795
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 2: Is it worth it. That sounds like a TV show.

796
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: Let's start. Let's make that TV show. It'll just be

797
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: really messed up things that companies and other organizations do.

798
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: That's guys, all right, just a few more things from

799
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: our email we need to cover. Here we go. The

800
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: third point is that most guests think they're getting back

801
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: at the hotel when they quote call corporate. But this

802
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: call actually just generates a case which comes right back

803
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: to the property management of which the guest was complaining about.

804
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: But I am yeah, exactly so the guy said when

805
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: he went took the toe out of his mouth. All right, sorry,

806
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: all right, thus giving the property full control of compensation

807
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 2: or no compensation of the complaint. If these cases are

808
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: not closed within twenty four hours by the management HRCC,

809
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: I guess that's Hilton Corporate does get the final say

810
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,959
Speaker 2: of compensation and whether or not the hotel must pay.

811
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: Here are a couple more random facts. We can lock

812
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: anyone out of their room. We will not let police

813
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: in your room without warrants. That's helpful, Thank you very

814
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: much for that.

815
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: I really appreciate that.

816
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 2: We should never tell anyone you stayed with us unless

817
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: their name is on your room as well as you

818
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: or if you give permission specifically.

819
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 4: So you're saying those scenes where someone just casually sunders

820
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 4: into the hotel and say, you got a.

821
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: Guest so and so and so and so. Is that

822
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: what's their number?

823
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 4: Like well, you know a tall woman, like are they

824
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 4: allowed if you if you have their full name, they

825
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 4: will call up to the room. But they're not supposed

826
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 4: to tell you the room number, right, or like give

827
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 4: you any inform.

828
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: I mean again, this is a Hilton policies, right, They're

829
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 3: not supposed to though. I think you could get around

830
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: it with a little bit of tricky social engineering, which

831
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 3: is always going to be a vulnerability or a vector.

832
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: But it feels very reasonable. It feels like a security concern.

833
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: And then also a question for you, AAC, please write

834
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: and again have so many questions. Can you use a pseudonym?

835
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: How easy is it? Like, I know you probably have

836
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 3: to have your government name on a card that people

837
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: have to hold for incidentals or whatever, but can you

838
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: say I'm I'm still recently as you know bombazine Berry.

839
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 4: I thought this came up maybe it was an out

840
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 4: of skout of podcast conversation, but like you you are

841
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 4: you pretty much are allowed to do that. Car From

842
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 4: my understanding, you just have to give obviously, give them

843
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 4: an ID and a card for incidentals and just let

844
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: them know that you're a real person. But but for

845
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 4: the intense and purposes of people interacting with them from

846
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 4: the outside world.

847
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 3: They Yeah, I assumed name I think is legit.

848
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: Do hotels take your ID or do they just take

849
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: a card like any card, just give me something I can.

850
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 3: Typically, really, I think they take the ID in case

851
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: you're doing credit card theft.

852
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 4: That's true usually, I mean, you know, hell, my local

853
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: record store of choice asks for your ID. If you're

854
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 4: using a debit card, you know what I mean. So

855
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 4: it's it's just different practices.

856
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: If you're booking online, then there's not really a way

857
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 3: that they ask you for ID. Yeah, I've usually it

858
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 3: asked for ID.

859
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 4: Now that I'm thinking about it, it's a good safeguard.

860
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: It makes sense because I could have literally stolen somebody's

861
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: ID or sold somebody's credit card and then exactly, you know,

862
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 4: but if.

863
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: They don't ask for ID. Sleep with one eye open, man,

864
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 3: I kind of tend to agree.

865
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 2: Ben, sleep with both eyes open, or just don't sleep

866
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: at all. Sleep is the cousin of death.

867
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: And what do we say to death today?

868
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: We say with death.

869
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 3: Just this is such a terrible name for water. I

870
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 3: love it. People are crazy for the stuff. I guess

871
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 3: it's just like everybody should drink water. It just reminds

872
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: me of like the things where adults try to dress

873
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: up vegetables so you won't know they're eating vegetables. Yea

874
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: dangerous water calling celery death stalks.

875
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: Now, let do it, got my armless palmer, and let's

876
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: go back to the email for one second.

877
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, armless palmer. Is that the flavor of liquid death?

878
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I don't know, it's tea.

879
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 3: And yeah it's called.

880
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: All I know is that it's delicious. Okay, last couple

881
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: of points here. Yes, we do take your lost and

882
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: found items that are never claimed, of course you do.

883
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 2: We get hotel rooms under an employee rate starting at

884
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: forty five dollars a night, what even in Milan.

885
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 3: Congratulations especially, and you know what you earned.

886
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 2: It, that's right.

887
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: That's that's no different than like airline employees though that's

888
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 4: pretty standard. You know, they either get a really good

889
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 4: rate or they get to fly standby for free. I mean,

890
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 4: you know, I get that that's a cool fringe benefit.

891
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: That's awesome. I think it's great. Oh, here's the last

892
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: little point here. We can't charge you a smoking fee

893
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: unless we find physical evidence that you in the room.

894
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 2: So destroy the evidence everybody, or just.

895
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: I saw that too, man, That one pinged for me.

896
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: I remember I remember being in Hawaii for the first time,

897
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: and they had one warning about not smoking tobacco, and

898
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,959
Speaker 3: then they had another much larger warning that essentially equated to, Hey,

899
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 3: we know you're probably on vacation, please don't smoke weed

900
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: in here, okay. And I clearly could tell that multiple

901
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 3: people at this resort around me were very, very high

902
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 3: most of the time, and this is a nice place,

903
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 3: so I knew they weren't going to rock the boat.

904
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: They would just give them that fee at the end.

905
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: And my question to you, AAC is does physical evidence

906
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 3: count as like the lingering smell? I think that counts, right,

907
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: that is a physical remnant of the offense.

908
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 4: Well, you got a wonder too, Is there a tool

909
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 4: that can detect, you know, the recent presence of tobacco smoke,

910
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 4: you know, and like say things like curtains.

911
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called camera, mom's nose.

912
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 4: It's called your mom's nose when you're a teenager.

913
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 3: That's what it is.

914
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and is tobacco smoke the same as marijuana smoke?

915
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 2: Is it the exact same Does it interact with the

916
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 2: hotel in the same way?

917
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 4: Does that have the same Well, I mean, marijuana smoke,

918
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 4: you know, typically is thought to not linger in the

919
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 4: same way. You know, it'll smell while you're actually smoking it,

920
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 4: so I've heard. But tobacco smoke, it stays. It just

921
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 4: has a way of sticking.

922
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: Vaping it probably like uh, that disperses the cigarette or

923
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 3: a vabing thing that that would disperse pretty quickly. I

924
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: don't know. These are just interesting questions. I think we're

925
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: all very excited about the stuff hotels don't want you

926
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 3: to know, and we'd love we'd love additional answers to

927
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 3: these questions. War stories, you know, even the basic stuff

928
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: like if you work in the industry, you might be

929
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 3: surprised by how much stuff people outside of the industry

930
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 3: don't know, Like how does tipping work in the US?

931
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: What's the appropriate tip if you you know you're tipping

932
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: the house cleaner or so on?

933
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: According to the little thing that make me sign, it's

934
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: like thirty percent.

935
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 3: Now, what do you mean? What do you sign?

936
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: Most of the places. I don't know if you guys

937
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: have gone out to eat anytime soon, but at most restaurants,

938
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: at this point they start, they hand it to you

939
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: and it's well, it starts at twenty is like the

940
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: lowest you can possibly give, and then it goes up

941
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 2: to twenty. I mean on most of them that I've

942
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: been to, and these aren't crazy high end restaurants.

943
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 4: Right, And that's the thing too, is like, uh, if

944
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 4: you eat at a crazy high end restaurant but it

945
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: really doesn't take that much effort to serve you, but

946
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 4: your bill is like three hundred dollars. Are you really

947
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 4: supposed to tip thirty percent on three hundred dollars for

948
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,479
Speaker 4: the person that literally brought your food out one time

949
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 4: and refilled your water.

950
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: I don't think that's right personally, I don't know. Maybe

951
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: it's also it's compounded. That's another thing we could do,

952
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 3: maybe stuff the restaurant industry doesn't want you to know.

953
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 3: I say, we franchise this out and make it a

954
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: cereal because there's there's another issue that's happening across the

955
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: board in the United States, and I suspect in much

956
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 3: of the rest of the world as well. In the US,

957
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 3: in particular, folks, basic prices for food are skyrocketing, demands

958
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 3: for tips are also skyrocketing. We know the tip economy

959
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 3: can be divisive. We've got a lot of friends who

960
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: are in the industry, and the reality is that the

961
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: prevalence of tipping in the US is entirely happening because

962
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 3: large corporations are pushing the burden of a decent wage

963
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: onto the consumer. I have one last question.

964
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 4: If there is evidence of illicit activity left behind reading

965
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 4: smoke in the room, but let's say they find like

966
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 4: a bunch of you know, white powder and razor blades,

967
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 4: like on a countertop or something. Are they required to

968
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 4: report that to LA enforcement questions.

969
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: Company by company. It's a good question. We need the

970
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 3: answer because.

971
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 4: You know, certain hotel franchise, especially higher end ones, they

972
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 4: want to have a reputation for discretion.

973
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, as long as you're a white lotus, they're

974
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: not gonna stitch.

975
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 4: On you, right, I mean, as long as you're not

976
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 4: throwing TVs through windows and like, you know, leaving dead

977
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 4: bodies behind. I would argue it would not be in

978
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 4: their best interest to because then you won't stay there again.

979
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really all about whether it exposes the

980
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: owners to liability or disrupts the affairs of other guests.

981
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: So I bet there's a lot. There's a lot that

982
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 3: you can sneak by if you're quiet and you're not

983
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: violating those things. This is not us saying do it, no,

984
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: just saying people probably do get a win.

985
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, though, you know, again,

986
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 4: tip your service folks. You know the you know that

987
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 4: are cleaning the room. There are certain hotel situations they're

988
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 4: walking into basically like a crime scene.

989
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 3: You know.

990
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: Thanks Ancient Astronaut Chick for giving us this insight. This

991
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 2: person has offered to answer our questions. Further, So, why,

992
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: like ancient astronaut Chick, if you have insight to this stuff,

993
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: why not let us know.

994
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 3: Yes, thanks to you, AAC, I feel like we're familiar

995
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: enough to use cool nicknames with each other now, thanks

996
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: of course to everybody else who wrote in. We got Kelly,

997
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: we got Samurai, and hopefully we have you on the

998
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: way join us on the show. We can't wait to

999
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 3: have you. We try to be easy to find online, boy, Julie.

1000
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 4: Ever, you can find us online at the handle Conspiracy Stuff,

1001
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 4: where we exist on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube, Conspiracy Stuff

1002
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 4: Show on Instagram and TikTok, and.

1003
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 2: Hey, make sure you are following us on those social media,

1004
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 2: especially the ones that have video. Ben. I don't mean

1005
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: to call you out here, but I just got to

1006
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: see a version of the mre videos that you've been shooting.

1007
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 3: All praise the west all praise to our buddy west

1008
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 3: Over at Station sixteen.

1009
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's really cool to watch one of those things

1010
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: get opened to understand what's inside of it, in the

1011
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: heating element that you have to put inside that bag.

1012
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: I've never seen that before in my life.

1013
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 3: That's anything about that.

1014
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 4: I was not privy to the shoot, So I'm looking

1015
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 4: forward to seeing it for the first time myself, as

1016
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 4: should you, fair listener, be looking forward to seeing it

1017
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 4: for the first time yourself. In addition to other various

1018
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 4: and sundry social media videos we've been cooking up lately

1019
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 4: that are genuinely a lot of fun if a little

1020
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 4: dad on you know, TikTok kind of vibe.

1021
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 3: But you know what, we own it and we live

1022
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 3: for it, and we will not be shamed by you.

1023
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: That's right.

1024
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 3: And if you don't sip the social needs, you can

1025
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 3: always shout into the void and know that sometimes the

1026
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 3: void answers back. In this case, void shouting will be

1027
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: the following numbers. Say it with us one, eight, three, three,

1028
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 3: sd d WYTK. I tried to do an echo on

1029
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 3: that number a while back, and Matt, I don't know

1030
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: why it didn't hit me, But echoing on the K

1031
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: just sounds like we're saying KKK. So wh're trying to

1032
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: do an echo for stuff you don't want you to know.

1033
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 3: No no, So you call the number, you will hear

1034
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 3: a familiar voice, will hear a beeplake, so beep. That

1035
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 3: gives you three minutes? Three minutes? Are yours? Go nuts?

1036
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: Get weird, tell us what's on your mind, give yourself

1037
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: that cool acronym, that moniker you always wanted. Let us

1038
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 3: know if we can use your name and or voice

1039
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,479
Speaker 3: on air, and most importantly, don't censor yourself. The best

1040
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: way to get a lot of information over to us.

1041
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: If you got pictures, you got links, you want to

1042
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 3: take us to the edge of the rabbit hole, send

1043
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: us an email. We read every single one we get

1044
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 3: where we.

1045
00:59:42,840 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: Are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. Stuff they don't want

1046
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,920
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1047
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,840
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