WEBVTT - Amateur vs Professional 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.640 I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:04.240 in the basement. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.440 Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.119 I'm come to find out. This is like it exploded 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:12.120 into this huge thing. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.560 I knew, I just knew something was wrong. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.320 Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:17.919 shot dead. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.280 I kept calling his phone during the drive. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.800 Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter. 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.160 It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.880 His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:29.760 he was targeted. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.320 Eventually a police officer answered and told me to come 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:33.320 to the police station. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.760 Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:43.280 If you know something, heard something, please it's never too 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:43.760 late to. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:44.400 Do the right thing. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.080 So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.519 I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.400 spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.480 the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.120 animal abusers arrested. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.560 We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.600 We spent over a year and a half trying to 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.360 get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.880 that was killing cats online and he was threatening to 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.440 move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatdah. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.559 Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:19.600 Don't Fuck with Cats. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.360 That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.520 to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:35.120 This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.240 So the last week spoke, we were sending the DNA 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.720 forums to Shokia's parents for the FBI DNA database, and 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.040 we're waiting for the Forida based investigator Chris Salgado to 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.880 get back to us with information about Jared's ex wife 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.440 and her husband. And we were sending forensic analysts Joseph 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.240 Morgan our files and all the public information we have 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:55.880 collected about Jared's case in. 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.560 Florida, and Joseph has had some time to look it 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.840 over and is ready to talk after our brief conversation 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:01.360 the other day. 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.760 So let's talk to Joseph and see what he has 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.800 to say about the information we have collected about Jared's murder. 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.799 That sounds like a plan I mean, you know, we've 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.400 were working Jared, and you know, it's difficult because like 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.000 there's nothing because the cops are pretty tight lipped in 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.960 this case, and you know, hopefully with reason. Right, I 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.440 had some questions about like crime scene processing. I think 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.600 I don't really know what to call it. I've been 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:30.520 thinking a lot about what kind of evidence would a 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:35.120 criminal leave at this type of scene, right, And I 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.560 was thinking about if it was a car jacking. Let's 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.440 just say, I don't know, pretend if it was a carjacking, 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.079 maybe they touched the door and then saw the little 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.720 toddler in the back seat and got spooped and ran away. 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.880 Or maybe they turned him over so they could reach 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:53.880 in his back pocket and see if he had a wallet, 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:57.040 you know what I mean, like those kinds of touches, 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:01.079 you know, can that be processed? And then another thing 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:08.760 that I was really thinking about a lot was the shellcasings. Yeah, 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.840 it's my understanding that shellcasings are difficult in the past 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.880 to process because when the gun is fired, it like 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.079 burns up the DNA right to. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:23.280 A certain degree. There's a bit of a fallacy. Oh okay, okay, 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.960 it's been proven that you can still retrieve it, but 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:31.120 you had passed along an article that you know, I 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.640 concur with to a certain degree. When you begin to 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.720 think about DNA in any case you can't. People will 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.560 say they'll, you know, the two terms DNA and fingerprint 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.640 kind of in some some arenas have become kind of interchangeable. 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:50.880 And I think that for the laymen, they do follow 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.440 that line of logic and they think about how you 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.280 know it is something that is left behind and to 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.160 kind of frame it. And I always fall back to 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:03.560 a man named mom Lecarde, who's our person in forensics. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.800 It's kind of the godfather in forensics for us, and 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.680 over one hundred years ago he made a statement. It says, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.760 every contact leads a trace. There's something there and you know, 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.880 like you just imagine your thumb. Where an individual is 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:20.280 loading a magazine, they're pressing down very hard, particularly when 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.360 they're gay to the high end of the capacity of 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.760 the magazine. They're having to apply more pressure directly to 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:30.400 the surface of the months of the live round. But 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.760 get it into the magazine comes more and more tense, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.240 so more contacts you have there, the higher probability is 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.400 that you'll leave a latent print and there have been 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.360 latent prints that have been recovered off the shellcases. We 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.400 do things like super glue, fumine, those sorts of things. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.479 You can kind of capture it in that moment. But 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:51.400 the DNA DNA is so and the term molecular is 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:58.440 very accurate here because it's so timy, and it gets 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.839 into these places that I think the normal everyday person 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.200 you're thinking about, well where can I find evidence? Well, 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.640 evidence can be in the tightest of areas, the tiniest 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:12.680 little recesses. When it comes to DNA, it's just do 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.400 you have the knowledge and the ability to collect it? Well, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:19.440 if you use a semi automatic weapon, unless you've got 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.159 what's referred to as a brass catcher that catches the 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.480 ejected shell cases, you're leading evidence behind. You know, a pro, 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:31.720 a pro worth their salt, would use a revolver, and 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.760 you know there are many cases where you can use 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.880 like a twenty two magnum for instance, revolver, which is 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:41.120 you know, rather robust round to be so tiny and caliber, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:46.480 it's highly effective. And obviously in this case, they weren't 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.919 trying to mute sound because even the baby, you know, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:51.919 we have to think back, what did the baby say 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.560 you know, boom boom boom, daddy fell down, or you know, 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.200 I'm not doing it justice. But that was essentially the 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.680 jest of it. So they weren't trying to mask sound here. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.920 They weren't trying to suppress sound. So a pro would 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.400 have used a revolver. If you use a revolver, guess 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.360 what you do. You take that evidence with you because 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.479 the spent rounds in the cylinder are still there. You're 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.360 going to haul that off with you. Who this perpetrator 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.560 is as cold and callous as it was, and this 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.520 is this hits a level of brutality I think just 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.800 from a lack of just empathy on his part for 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.560 this baby that was at the scene. It wasn't very 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.560 bright because you know, you've got all these multiple points 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:42.320 of contact this this tire with a rim, there's points 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.479 of contact on that where you can leave you know, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.480 DNA evidence that can be harvested. You could leave a 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.480 fingerprint that say, if you're not wearing gloves, because if 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.360 you think about any tire, it's got that kind of 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.560 dust that's on the surface of it. You know, many 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.320 times it's break dust. You'll have grease that's on it 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.239 and if you have grease, if you touch that area, 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.800 that's what referred to as a plastic print. If you're 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.760 very careful when you look at that, you essentially if 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.360 if folks listening, we'll just think about think about when 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.480 we were kids and we'd use plato or we'd use 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.040 silly putty, you know, and you press your finger into it. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.120 You press your finger into it, you can actually pick 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:22.600 up ridge detail off off of that print that has 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.520 been left behind. Well, this is kind of a plastic 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.440 print if you touch that that kind of greasy or 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:33.000 dusty area. The trick is we're they careful to preserve 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.120 all of the surfaces of that tire. So I know, 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:38.840 going kind of far field. 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:40.240 No, no, no, this is great. 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.600 I think this is this case from a physical evidence standpoint, 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.520 it's going to come down to impressions. Those things that 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.320 are left behind, like the card, every contact lease trace. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:51.800 So you know, if you look at the list of 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:56.400 things here from potential harvesting of DNA off of spent 0:07:56.480 --> 0:08:00.240 shell casing because we obviously they not we but they 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.600 obviously don't have the weapon, at least we don't think 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.960 they do. You've got perhaps, as you rightly mentioned, if 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.760 this was in fact some failed carjacking attempt where you're 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.400 going to muscle somebody and they put their hand on 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.520 that door lash to force it open and have them 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:21.200 step out of the vehicle. Knowing Florida and the way 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:25.280 they process scenes down there, I would imagine that truck 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:29.160 was hauled off and taken to a forensic garage as 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.800 a crime lab, and the whole thing is being I 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.719 mean they have gone from stemmed the stern on this thing, 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.199 looking at every point of contact in there, that baby's 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.640 car seat, what is part of the scene. They're going 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.080 to be taking a look at that, any any point 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.880 of contact where people are placing their hands on a surface, 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.840 And it doesn't matter if it's a smooth, non poor 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:56.320 surface like glass or metal or even fabric, because if 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.439 you touch fabric, if you touch fabric, there's a high 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.880 probabilit right there that you could source DNA out of 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.640 that just through touch DNA that DNA that comes off 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.679 from slough skin cell. Yeah, then you think about the tire, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.280 you know, so you've got the tire and all the 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:16.480 components with that, You've got the truck with the Layton prints, 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.800 You've got these shell casings. And one of the things 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.760 I'm fascinated by is that when you look at the 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.040 aerial photography in this case of the area where this 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:30.679 went down, this is immediately adjacent to a very damp environment. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.240 As a matter of fact, there's kind of a little 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.680 canal that runs adjacent to the roadway out there. It's 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.880 got water. This water in dwelling in the space, and 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.720 so you know that it's a damp, humid environment. I 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.480 know a lot of people would say, well, that's Laura, 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.240 that's no big revelation. You're right, it's not. But if 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.120 that water is in that canal area because of the 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.040 recent rain, if this perpetrator set this tire out at 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:02.120 this choke point, wheel housing entire however we're going to 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.640 phrase it, they had to wait. Well, the question is 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.160 what did they do while they were waiting? 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:08.680 Yeah, I thought about that a lot. 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.600 If they're standing over in that and it's there's palmetta bushes, 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.719 which are kind of these bushy things that you get 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.400 them in tropical areas. There's all kinds of interesting vegetation 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.600 up there. Then you have kind of a canopy that 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.560 rises up about you know, two stories in the air 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.560 of trees, it's a great place to hide. But that 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:32.240 soil is very soft and very receptive. So if an 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:37.400 individual is wearing a particular type of shoe boot, that 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:42.240 soil would have been very receptive to holding on to 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:46.720 a pattern left behind by the shoes that the individuals wearing. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.880 You know, the thing about it is is that if 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.800 you get a group of cops that are, you know, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.280 kind of cowboying it up and they're just running around wild, 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.000 which I don't think that they did, you can stop 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.679 upon evidence and some of the stuff is very reprivual. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.600 I hope that it was very well secured if they 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:08.920 did find footprints, which I think there's a higher probability 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.720 that they did out that same because of solid the soil, 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.200 the texture of the soil, and you can document that 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:17.520 maybe cast those areas you're going to have again another 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.480 point of connectivity that could in fact leads you back 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:22.760 to portrayer in this cave. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.160 That's such a good point and I thought about that 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.280 a lot, like the person that did this had to 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.760 be working with somebody else, because you have to know 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.600 Jared's coming, there's nobody behind him. It's safe to do this, 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.360 you know, communicating right and they would have to have 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.960 been hiding in that wooded area. They would have to be. 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:44.080 But if it's a random attack like a carjacking or 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.200 a road rage incident, not that it was, but if 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.880 it was, then they wouldn't have found anything because the 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.040 person wouldn't have gone into the woods. Right, The person 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.880 likely wouldn't have gone into the woods. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:12:00.160 Yeah, and again this for me, this goes to you 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.120 know how I mentioned about you know, semi automatic weapon 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.520 versus revolver. Right, this is somebody that at least had 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.319 a base plan. I didn't think everything through. Because he 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.920 thought everything through, there were certain things that they would 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.960 not have done. I think chief among these as you 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.840 would have taken the time to pick up that tire room. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:21.760 And haul it off with you, right, and the showcasings 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:23.240 and shellcasing. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.360 We don't know what the distribution was of the shellcases 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.520 either were they in the grass or were they just 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.920 laying out on the surface of the road. And that's important. Yeah, 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:36.200 when one of these things ejects and it hits concrete 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:41.120 asphalt surface, it'll bounce, literally bounce. And because it's such 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.800 a you know, it's got it's cylindrical in shape and 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.800 it's got all these weird kind of edges on it. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.840 It'll hit that contact and surface and it'll just bounce 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.880 and there's no there's no predictability to it where it's 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.160 going to wind up. Now that the casings were in 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.040 the grass on the shoulder of the road, then again 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.280 this isn't a great predictor, but at least you would 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:07.000 kind of have them in a tighter area. But when 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.440 you get onto a hard surface and you again popping 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.600 off rounds, those cases can be distributed all over the place. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.280 So you can't look at the distribution patterns of spent 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.240 shell cases and say, Okay, this person was standing definitively 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.200 right here, because it's just. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:24.640 So random where they land. 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.360 Right it is. It's one of the most random things. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.960 And you know, and again one of the worst sounds 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.000 crime saying of us there can hear at night when 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.839 you're out on only seeing in a very poorly litle area, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.040 which I'd have to say this is again that the 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.400 person plan for this is that that metal tink that 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.720 you hear is you kick a shell spent shell case 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.960 and with your foot because you didn't see it. It 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.160 can just be that random and the thing goes rolling 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.400 across the ground. Well, now you've lost all your points 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.480 of reference, you know, with that where it was distributed, 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.480 and that does happen. I'm chief among centers, I've kicked them, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.319 I've stucked them, and had not didn't have an awareness 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.280 you know, that was going on. But if it's in 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:08.360 the grass, that's that's totally you know, that's a bit different. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.199 And this is just kind of one of those points 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.160 when you think about crime scene investigations, and one of 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.760 the reasons we really stress this is that you have 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.240 to have a gatekeeper out there. You do not want 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:25.680 a huge number of people inside the tape because you 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.880 increase the factor that something could go wrong exponentially with 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.680 every person that you put inside the tape. So the 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.080 fewer hands on deck, you would think, well, god, we 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.240 need somebody to help us manage this. Yeah, you do. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.360 They need to stand outside the tape, and you have 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.960 the technicians that are within the tape, particularly early on, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:45.400 so that you can kind of get a feel for 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:50.040 what's going on. And this case is very difficult. Why 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.520 people might ask why, you know, Morgan, why why is 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:57.200 this case more difficult than you know than another, Well, 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:02.160 it's outdoors, and anytime you have something outdoors, it's it's 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.520 not controlled. I've had wild animals walk across scenes at uh, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.800 you know, crime scenes. I've had dogs walk up and 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.240 start snipping out of blood and drinking blood at crime 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:18.080 scenes and you don't have any control over that, Whereas 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.280 if you're inside of a dwelling, it's a controlled environment. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:24.720 You know that that you find yourself in at that 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.240 moment time, and you can you know, shut the doors, 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.480 and it's very I'm not saying it's it's easy, but 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.000 it's it's more controllable. And then of course in Florida, 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.480 you never know when it's going to rain, and that's 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.520 one of the worst things that can happen is that's 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.920 crime scene investigati. When you hear the distant roll of thunder, 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.200 I'm that that happened. That happens quite frequently. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:48.600 I'm gonna look that up. I want to know what 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.480 the weather conditions were. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.560 I think that that's very important. Yeah, what phase was 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:58.920 the moon into? Because no, no, no, you want to 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.160 you want to know what the moon was in because 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:05.720 it's going to provide ambient lighting if it's a clear night, 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.200 and even if you've got say a half moon that's 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:12.680 out there, then the scene will be partially illuminated, you know, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.000 if it's overcast. Even if you've got full moon, it's 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.880 it's more difficult, you know. And in an area like this, 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.280 one of the things that happens and I don't know 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.520 that necessarily happened in this particular case. First off, crimesing units, 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.120 it's kind of standard now that they carry a generator 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.040 with horrible lighting. In the past, if it is so 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.000 bloody dark out of the scene, we would actually call 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.200 the fire department. And they have what's called a light 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:45.680 truck at bigger departments, and it's got these gigantic, gigantic 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.840 spotlights on the things that many people don't ever see these, 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.520 and it will just blast away all of the darkness. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.600 Set to call for other you know, for other assets 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.520 to come in so that you can work this thing, 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.920 you know, and you know, homicides don't occur at most 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.520 convenient time. You have to, you know, you have to 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.960 dance to the tune that's currently being played, and you 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.639 have to be prepared to bit at one show up. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.560 What's the danger in waiting for like the sunrise? Is 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:18.000 it that does the evidence degrade? If it's outside and maybe. 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.480 It starts raining, like yeah, yeah, yeah, there is a 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.560 danger you don't And look, there are certain cases where 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.480 we've held them overnight, but we have started processing cases, 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.520 you know, like I'll vie for instance, if you have 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:35.800 a clandestine grave, for instance, where you know where you 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.480 have a victim that's located, maybe you've outlined it out, 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.960 You've maybe have a grid that's placed over and the 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.720 sun goes down. You don't necessarily want to be doing 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.600 a body recovery in a non lighted environment, I mean 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:52.320 where it requires daylight to do it. In those cases, yeah, 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:56.000 you would hold off. But in a case that's kind 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.679 of dispersed and you really don't know what's going on, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.320 you can mind this occurred at night, you know, so 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.399 you're not going to know the full depth and breadth 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.760 of it, and you don't know what could be compromised 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.480 by you not attending to it, particularly when it comes 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.000 to blood evidence, and that's that's the big bugaboo here. 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.480 If you have any kind of blood evidence, whether it 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.480 be from the victim, which there would have been blood 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:28.840 evidence relative to Jared unfortunately, or if they got into 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:33.600 a scuffle or something and the perpetrator was bleeding, you 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.280 won't be able to appreciate those bits of blood and 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.000 it can be compromised. So you have to flood it 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.000 with as much light as you can and try to 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.280 process it at that moment in time, because it can 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:47.119 be literally washed away. I mean. And again, my friends 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.280 in Florida that I know that you know, do forensics 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.880 down there. That's and I work in South Louisiana, which 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.280 is not too much different than Florida and these hostile environments, 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.359 and Florida is a hostile And I don't mean this 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:02.280 about the people or the I'm talking about the atmosphere. 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:06.120 I'm talking about that world in which people live in, 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.680 you know, down there, and they're aware of it there. 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.120 You know, you're not breaking new news to them. They 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.280 know every time you walk out of the house, you're 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:18.720 dripping sweat many times, okay, And you're subject to the 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.080 environment that you're in, any any environment that we're in. 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.760 And then with biological evidence, in particular, the longer it 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.040 is left unattended or uncollected and documented and all the 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.280 sorts of things that we do, there's a higher probability 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.359 it's going to degrade. And you just you want to 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.760 avoid that at all costs, and some you know, look, 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.800 if the circumstances dictate many times, how we're going to 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.320 react and behave and all those sorts of things. And 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.440 you know, sometimes you get to a body and it's 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.600 it's hours and hours after the person has died. You 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.560 don't have any control over that, and so you kind 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.480 of have to jump in midstream and just process it 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.840 as best you can and just understand the world and 0:19:58.840 --> 0:19:59.560 what you're working. 0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:02.960 Let's stop here for a break. 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:17.440 We'll be back in a moment. Typically in the court case, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:21.040 there's two types of testimony. There's a witness testimony, somebody 0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.760 who physically saw it, I saw the shooter. The other 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:28.320 testimony is expert witness testimony, somebody like you, well, there 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.159 was a night witness Gyard's daughter two years old. But 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.080 can a child testify in a case like this as 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:35.280 a night with John. 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.040 I can't even begin to imagine that as they would 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:42.159 do that, the remembrances would be so clouded and a 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.800 child that young. Now, I think probably, and this is 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:49.800 going to enter into I don't really know. This is 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.199 kind of outside of my spuere, but I think maybe 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.840 the way that the prosecution might because listen, this is 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.920 powerful stuff, maybe the most powerful thing about this case. 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.520 In my estimation, at least, the child is an ear 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.639 witness to this event. Okay, they're going to try to 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.800 get that into, you know, into the case they're going 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:11.639 to when this thing goes to trial, or try to. 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.960 They want to get that statement, you know, that statement 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.200 that she made about our day. I could see them 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.359 getting the police officer that took that statement or spoke 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.639 with that child, or if it was a social worker 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:26.360 or whoever, get them on the stand and address that issue. 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:30.280 In addition to that, I could see them reaching out 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:35.080 to a side child psychologist or forensic psychologists and ask 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:37.840 them how much how much weight should we give to 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:41.200 this statement that was made, And then they'll go into 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.919 the you know, into destruction of the brain of a 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.840 child's age and talk about the cognitibility, their ability to communicate, 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:50.600 and they'll get them on the stand. And it's probably 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.119