WEBVTT - #146 - Ben Hoffman: The Man Behind Wheeler Walker Jr. 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:05.440 They welcome to episode on the Bobby Cast. And and 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:08.280 we've had Wheeler Walker Jr. In Before, but actually Wheeler 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:10.920 Walker Jr. It's character Ben Hoffman, who is the first 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:12.639 time because you know, I talked about this. It was like, hey, 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.320 why don't you it was your idea? Actually, well my 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:18.480 thing is, um. I was we were talking about doing this, 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:21.119 and I was like, it's always weird for me to 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:22.639 do it with people I know, and now that I 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.360 know you, um And I'll talk about that in a 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.280 second because it's interesting to me, but it's just weird 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.040 for me to come over to your place, sit down 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.600 and talk as a as a character, as a character, 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:34.360 because it's the first time. We didn't really know each 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:36.080 other that well. Yeah, I mean the first one was 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.519 still I knew. I felt like I we'd met, and 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:40.720 I was like, you know, you know, I know, it's 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:45.800 like the fun for me is and I'm just I'm 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:47.920 just not as I just at the beginning, it was 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.199 just like, let's go full in. I'm just gonna do 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.040 the character. And now that we're on the third record, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.600 which just came out, which by the way, is number 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:56.920 one in the iTunes Country charts, to talk to you 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:02.200 right now, so let's keep it up. Sorry, Dolly number two. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.320 She'll take me down any second now, probably by the 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.080 time I get out of here, but she might actually 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.280 have you killed, not just take you down on the chart. Well, 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.160 yeah she could. I mean if she you know what 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.000 if for someone who could? Who could? Um? Who? I 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.240 wouldn't mind to see if that's the last person I'm 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.240 gonna see. I love it. Oh, I forgotten to cuss 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.320 on this, right, but let's say this first thing. If 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.480 I don't curse at all, but if if you don't 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.920 like bad words, you may want to turn this one off. 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:29.400 Not that we're gonna go full blue, but part of 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.520 Wheeler's characters, he's very blue. And that's all I enjoy 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:37.040 Wheeler because he's so blue. So um, there will be 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.000 curse words said. And if that's not your deal, we're 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:41.200 not gonna say it for the sake of saying it. 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:43.199 But I'm just getting everybody heads up because mostly people 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.520 cards a little bit because there's no rules. Do you know. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:47.400 I wonder what the audience is like for for Bobby 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.880 Cass the same pretty much the same as the radio. Yeah, 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.080 I mean, what do you uh? You're talking about like 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.920 reach or no, no, no, no, I mean you can 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.400 tell me the reach. I don't care. I'm just saying, 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.000 like the type of audience members more like people's six 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.800 pretty five female between the ages of twenty two and 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.800 forty eight. When I look at the data, I don't 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.040 know my data, but I gotta believe it's way different, 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:10.680 probably oppos I would think so two, which is why 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.920 I think it's actually funny and cool that you're on 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.240 this show and talking has been because I think people 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.120 will be not only they'll see we learned most of 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:20.799 them a go, well that's dumb, but because you're it's 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.320 very dude centric. Yeah, and it's it's I mean, it's 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.440 a part of me. It's something I enjoyed and I've 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:28.000 always loved music. I wanted to get into it, and 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.880 it's kind of something I kind of you know, created 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.240 and it felt like a good I was really I 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.440 will say I was much angrier at the time when 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.000 I first started doing it, but I've since again, like 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:40.639 I said, sitting here is bend is not a big 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.600 deal for me because I'm not as piste, piste off 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.720 or angry to these older women. I'll use the word 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:49.160 angry as I was when older, How old are you? 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.480 You're like, you're exactly I should be there, like that 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.480 should be you know, that's who Sho should be. That's exactly. 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.919 I'm forty three. I'm not a kid. I can grow 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.760 a full beard. Look on. Um and yeah, I just 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.480 it just it feels different to me now and I 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.760 feel like, um, I don't really like hiding bend is 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.320 not important to me? What was it? And before I 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:10.760 get to that, here's the funny thing to me is 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.560 that when Wheeler first existed, because I didn't know you 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.639 until I knew of Wheeler, and I think you had 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.320 came out and you kept me online or something. I 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.480 I came after you hard because my my thing was, Um, 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.240 I'll tell a little people about my background. I'm from Kentucky. 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:30.400 My mom is from nash I mean I literally passed 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.120 the house from my mom grew up is right down 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:33.760 I won't say the name of the street for the 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:38.240 sick year crazy fans, but um, my mom grew up 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:39.840 right down the street from here. I whentn't. I've been 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:42.760 to your place before and I always enjoy stopping, you know, 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.760 driving by. They since put an extra story on it, 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.680 but you know, my family is from here, so I 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.480 I just had decided that I was going to I 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:53.000 had a show on Comedy Central and I did a 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:59.640 kind of a a a country music show on Comedy Central, 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.040 and I did a sketch where I because I always 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.760 loved playing music, I wanted to I wanted to do 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.360 a song and I sang like a country or song 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.920 that was really dirty, and he got a great reaction. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.600 I'm like, I stoet a whole album with this, and 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.280 I kind of I knew a lot of just from 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:13.720 growing up here, I knew a lot of people and 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.120 I a lot of people at that time were from 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.400 my hometown, Kentucky were starting to get big, and they 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.640 introduced me to Dave Cobb, the producer who did Stapleton 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.320 and is Bell, Sturgel, lot, you know all the you know, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:28.760 he's got a hand of a closet full of Grammy's now, 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.800 none of which are mine. But and we I talked. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.120 I sat down and talked to Dave and he was 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:34.479 really into I just want to go. I wanted to 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.320 make because what had happened is I had taken a 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.919 break from kind of what I guess you would call 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.000 commercial country for so long, like I literally turned off 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.560 the radio in I don't know what year exactly, but 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.000 it feels like I turned off the radio when it 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.640 was Alan Jackson and Travis Tritt and turned it back 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.800 on it was Florida Georgian line I did. I honestly 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.680 didn't know what was happening, because you would Los Angeles 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.800 and you weren't. I think it was that. I think, yeah, 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:01.279 I think it was that. I think I had also 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.720 maybe just kind of I've never really been a radio guy. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:07.880 I always you know, I'm an album collector. I love 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.279 listening to what I want to listen to, and I 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:13.479 just I never really was, you know, I never needed 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:14.880 the radio to tell me what to listen to. I 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:16.600 was always reading about it, Like I used to go 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:23.080 to the University of Kentucky library and and borrow Rolling 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.920 Stone magazines like like the old old ones on microfiche 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.400 and see like what they liked that week. Yeah, exactly 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.000 have to put him in, I mean, which you don't 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.440 need anymore because they have the Internet. But I would like, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:35.839 who's this guy lou read? I want to learn more 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.240 about him? You just go buy the record. So I 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.080 just never kept up with what was going on commercially. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.520 I was really blown away by the how pop it 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:46.560 had become. And it's kind of and I thought that 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.920 would be kind of a good and I'm not gonna lie. 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:50.919 I don't love that stuff and you know that, you 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:52.680 know that, But I just thought it was kind of 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.320 a good metaphor. It was like it was a good 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:59.039 um and still is. It's a good um like a 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.520 superhero movie. It's a good villain, you know, Like I'm 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.320 real country. You guys are fake country on the real thing. 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.320 And that's what where the whole fun of it came 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.000 to me was. And I've read a million reviews how 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.880 Wheeler is the real thing and these guys suck and 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:14.479 I'm and I get a chuckle, you know, I'm like, 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.880 I'm made up, you know. So it's just, you know, 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.400 just like I think what happened was I and I 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:26.640 was honestly angry that, like how is this? Because like 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:28.640 I had family members who are you know? And I 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.719 would see back in when I would come to Nashville, 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.760 which was pretty much every few weeks as a kid, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.839 and you know, you'd see you know, um, Crystal Gale 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.520 walking down the street. It was just a small town 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.080 with a few country stars around, and it felt like 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.560 really organic, real music. And it feels like and it 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.680 felt like almost a Hollywood had taken over in my 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.240 back of my mind. I think living out in l A, 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.640 it's like I can always go back to country music 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.320 and listen to country radio and just remind me of 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.559 the good old days, and it just it just disappeared again. 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.400 You know, no personal offense, but um, it's just kind 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.440 of and you've had your issues with the two um 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.160 but um. And as you as almost the face of 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.520 country radio at the time, I think I was. I 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.080 singled you as an enemy, and then there was a 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:15.640 few people who would, like, you know, I don't remember 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.560 who it was, but a few different people were They're like, no, no, no, 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.120 he's a this, he's um. I'm trying to think of 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.120 the word they use. They always used the same. He 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:31.520 likes he likes to um stir stir s up. Yeah, 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:34.000 but he's like, no, no, Bobby, Bobby is a UM. 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.200 You know, Bobby's the guy likes this, you know, start ship. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.880 And I was like, um, huh, maybe I got him wrong. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.360 And then we met and we remember we came after 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:44.880 me on Twitter and I was like, well, I've already 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.680 been a fan of what the character supposedly stood for, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.640 and I knew it was a character too, So I 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:54.440 enjoyed the hyperbole of Wheeler Walker, loved it. And you 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:55.960 came after me, and I remember just going, O get 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:59.240 this funny, And I think I replied back, like, you're right, yeah, 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.200 you're everything. You're things right about me, about me specifically. Yeah, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.360 but you'd also i'd heard that, um you uh, um, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:08.320 what do you? What do you? What do you know? 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.880 Shouldn't you shut the door? People are like cooking downstairs. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.000 You gotta you know what's in the house. Well, this 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.520 is how you know you want dancing with the Star. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.520 You got a team of people cooking you food. We 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.880 have a Christmas party at my house tonight. Okay, so 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.320 like my whole show is coming over tonight. So the 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:22.960 team of people actually a friend of mine who said 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.160 I will come and cook the crystal. Well, I said, 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.560 I've been there. I don't remember teams. There's no teams, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:32.480 just hanging out. Mike's the only team. So back back 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:37.120 before the blender jumped into our conversation, uh, I remember 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.360 just your messaging at me and making fun of me 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.280 online like, well, I did that all the time, and 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.920 I didn't. For the most I did it and I 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.560 still do it. A lot of the people I have 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.920 no idea who they are. I just know they're you know, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.920 I have my people, that's you know. There's plenty of 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.440 people I've made fun of online since met And then 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.719 as someone go, you know, you should actually listen to him, 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.360 you know, and it's like, you know what, it's not 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.400 that bad, you know, but but but it's usually insult 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.880 first and ask questions later, which is probably probably gets 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:08.760 me in trouble. Well, and you know, that's what you 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.320 did to me, But again its with the character of it, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.120 and what's funny and hard for me because you're actually 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.680 a really nice guy when you're not Wheeler like we 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.520 learned been to me or there. The juxtaposition between you 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.320 two is night and day because you're actually pretty soft 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:25.319 spoken human. That's really funny. And Wheeler is this big, 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:27.360 loud character and so's and used to come after me. 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.280 But I see you come after my friends too, and 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.360 they don't know Ben, they only see Wheeler and I 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.800 laugh and just see how they react because again, how 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.720 someone reacts to a character, well, the best way for 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.600 what it's worth about like a band who i've since 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.000 I think I want to say I met him. I 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:45.520 don't remember, but I went hard after Old Dominion and 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.480 they just came back with a joke, making like a 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.320 really funny joke. I never made fun of him since 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:51.920 it's just like if you go along with it and 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.480 you just and I'll never touch Old Dominion again. It's 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.440 just like you go out the DNA and I love 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.480 those guys, but I just laugh. But they're but they're 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.080 just they don't take it that well, and it just 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.440 brings it's just fun. It's just fun to have that. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.960 And I'm not and not joking. My therapist thinks this 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.160 whole thing. He's like, he thinks it's great for me. 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.880 He's like, you've really improved. It's like, well, I'm getting 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:18.240 um a um uh. Well, let me just give you 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.320 a quick example. I had a a sketch on the 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.280 On the Bench show where I just scream at this 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.440 group of football players and it was the end of 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.440 a long day. We've been shooting all day and I 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.440 was screaming and yelling like, oh we didn't get that 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.080 to you know, we gotta redo it. The lightning was 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:37.160 off and I lost my voice screaming so hard and um, 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.680 and I've always been insomniac. And I told my therapist, 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.400 you know, I didn't have to take amby and do anything. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.560 That night. I just fell asleep. He's like, well, you 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.439 got it all out. There's a lot of your system. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.959 I slept like a baby that night. I was like, well, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.240 actually I should just yell and screaming strangers every day, 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.280 you know. And that's kind of what the character became, 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.280 you know, um a little with more social media. Yeah, 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.080 I was just it was just there's so much pent 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.920 up and you see the soft nice guy, but inside 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:07.800 it's just like it's raging. See I don't because you 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.719 and I socially more than once, and it's a very 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.480 soft nice guy. But also I know creatives are nuts, 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.440 and to be a creative, there's some nutty part of 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.440 you that is just sitting in there waiting to jump out. Yeah, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:21.840 and that that that it's nice to have a release 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.720 for that nutty part, you know. And I didn't know 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.400 how badly I needed it. Um. But I also do 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.199 love country music and I love playing. I've really enjoyed, 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.200 you know, every you've enjoyed every second of it. Um, 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.880 you do love country music, that's the truth, of course. Yeah. 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:37.080 I mean I grew up with it. I don't think 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.320 you can. I don't think you can do what I'm doing. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.880 And I sincerely love the music and know it really well. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.040 The first song that you put on the Bench show 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.120 was called Eating p and Kicking a Yeah, and that guy. 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.440 That one was so much fun because we brought in 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.640 a group of um, you can still watch it online, 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.040 and we brought in a group of Hollywood extras, mostly 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.959 older folk who didn't there's just it was almost like 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.240 a jackass type thing, and we shot their reactions just 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.760 like you're you're just audience members at a country show, 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.400 you know. And they just sat there and we just 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.520 we went and I sang that song straight, and I 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.440 mean a couple of people left and without getting their 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.000 check just they were just so upset, and I was 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:17.880 just like, I'd like to do this every day, you know. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.480 I want to talk about sleep Number for one second, 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.040 so as you know, I do this show from my 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:25.720 house and uh the studios upstairs, but downstairs, actually right 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.720 below where I am now is my bedroom and I 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:32.040 do have a sleep Number bed and right now the 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.120 new Sleep Number three sixties smart bed It's all about 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.600 quality sleep. My sleep number setting is thirty and it 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:40.720 has been for a long time. 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And I'll ask him and he says, I'll 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:50.640 do He collided any question because I was trying to 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.160 promote the show. Go. He'll answer any question you guys want. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:55.760 He's really being really cool because we're gonna be here 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.360 for like an hour. And I got fans from Bieber 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.120 fans from all over the world. They're like, you know, 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.200 can we ask him when he's coming to Australia and 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.160 we're right back. I just asked him. He said he 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.439 hates Australians ever coming, and he's like any and some girls, 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.040 some poor little girl. May I feel bad for these kids? Now? 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.520 This girl goes, um, you know, can you ask me 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.320 if he likes girls with glasses? I mean like he 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:18.760 says he just thinks that he thinks there they suck 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:20.440 and you should get contacts, you know, and just like 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.680 you know, just being rude and if they all believed it, 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.480 I don't know why. I think it was maybe the 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.520 early days a Twitter or something. And so that was 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.480 been You did the Bench, which I thought the Ben 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.840 show was so funny. I thought it was so funny. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.560 It was it was only it was tough show to do. Um, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.800 and we I talked about it with the right around 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:40.960 the time of Key and Peel were Um, it was 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.880 a sketch show, which is a really hard thing to 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.800 do nowadays with like and even Key and Peel had 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.200 this issue, which is, why would I watch a show 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.800 a sketch on TV. I'll just wait for my friends 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:56.640 to text me the you know, the best sketches, and 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.840 it's just hard to keep them involved. So um, it 0:14:59.880 --> 0:15:01.720 was always my goal to kind of have my own 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.360 sketch show. So I was happy that I had it, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.120 but yeah, I didn't really. What's ironic is that if 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.200 I if I've gotten those numbers today, I'd be the 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.200 biggest thing on television, which at the time it just 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.560 didn't work well enough. So when when you decided to 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.760 Wheeler Walker, and you had to fully commit to being 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.360 Wheeler because do you have the beard all the time. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.640 I've never known you without the beard. Yeah, No, I 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.680 grew it up for I Like, when I meant to 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.280 make the record, I was starting to grow I was 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.560 like the first record, Yeah, while I was writing for 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.320 James Gordon at the time. So I went, um, we 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.480 had a chuiz a Thanksgiving break and I went back, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.840 I have Thanksgiving a national over years for my family is. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.760 So I was like, I told Dave Cobego, I got 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.080 these and we'd record the whole record in four days 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:46.920 and I um, I put the um. We record the 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.720 whole album that fast, just like I would take breaks 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.800 from Thanksgiving and run over the record and then um 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.560 I UM. During that time, I was like, I'm gonna 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:57.520 grow out the beard just to like take pictures because 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.560 I'd already been asked. You know what if it takes 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.000 off enough to tour, I'm like, I'm never fucking touring. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.280 So that was the thing. You didn't want to tour, 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:08.280 huh never. It was just a comedy music correct my well, 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:10.920 you know, my brother was in this band. Scissor Sisters 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.160 were a huge band in the Europe especially. I mean 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.280 he was he still selling out arenas sold I want 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.440 to say he sold five or six million copies of 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.960 his first record. At least it was huge, and I 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.560 just saw it. I knew it moved for very similar 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.640 in a lot of ways. And he just couldn't. He 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:28.360 just didn't like life on the road. And I'm like, well, 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.640 and my I mean mid late late thirties. Then you know, 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:34.000 I'm like, I don't want to leave a good paying 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.080 off his job at cord that that's that's good money 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.760 to go sitting. I knew. I never thought people would 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.040 show up to gigs. I don't want to sit in 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:43.800 a in a in a sprinter van outside of some 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:46.920 tiny club. That's not what I want. I wanted it. 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.840 Maybe at twenty one, I just didn't. It's not something 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.760 I wanted. So and I finished the album. I think 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.440 I took the album cover shaved, just like that's the 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.160 end that I know. And then of course they call 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.920 so and so is gonna pay X amount to play Chicago. 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.320 I'm like, but while you're on the way back, you 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.240 can play this, this, this place. I was starting to 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:07.240 get offers to give you offers and a route you 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.439 other close by places. Yeah, I was starting to get 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.080 enough offers that made me think about it. And this 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.600 is after the first record, this after the first Yeah, 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.920 the first record debuted at number nine on the Billboard 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.440 Country Charts, and that was called it was called redneck 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:24.720 S Work, redneck Ship. And when they called to tell 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:26.679 me that it was I didn't have a manager, I 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.880 didn't have anything. I had a I left Cops studio 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.560 with them with a the album on a hard drive 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.639 because I just made the ben choice head so I 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.679 just paid him in cash for the album and I 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:38.639 left with the album on a hard drive and I go, 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:40.399 you know, it's a bummer that no one's going to 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:42.560 hear it. Because we were both like, this, this is 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.760 really actually a really interesting, great country record. It's too bad. 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:48.520 It's just gonna be. It's gonna be something I play 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.600 for my friends when they come over. I was like, 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.720 I was trying to And then I we sent around 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.000 and I actually talked to a couple of a couple 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:56.480