Speaker 1: They welcome to episode on the Bobby Cast. And and
Speaker 1: we've had Wheeler Walker Jr. In Before, but actually Wheeler
Speaker 1: Walker Jr. It's character Ben Hoffman, who is the first
Speaker 1: time because you know, I talked about this. It was like, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you it was your idea? Actually, well my
Speaker 1: thing is, um. I was we were talking about doing this,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's always weird for me to
Speaker 1: do it with people I know, and now that I
Speaker 1: know you, um And I'll talk about that in a
Speaker 1: second because it's interesting to me, but it's just weird
Speaker 1: for me to come over to your place, sit down
Speaker 1: and talk as a as a character, as a character,
Speaker 1: because it's the first time. We didn't really know each
Speaker 1: other that well. Yeah, I mean the first one was
Speaker 1: still I knew. I felt like I we'd met, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you know, I know, it's
Speaker 1: like the fun for me is and I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just not as I just at the beginning, it was
Speaker 1: just like, let's go full in. I'm just gonna do
Speaker 1: the character. And now that we're on the third record,
Speaker 1: which just came out, which by the way, is number
Speaker 1: one in the iTunes Country charts, to talk to you
Speaker 1: right now, so let's keep it up. Sorry, Dolly number two.
Speaker 1: She'll take me down any second now, probably by the
Speaker 1: time I get out of here, but she might actually
Speaker 1: have you killed, not just take you down on the chart. Well,
Speaker 1: yeah she could. I mean if she you know what
Speaker 1: if for someone who could? Who could? Um? Who? I
Speaker 1: wouldn't mind to see if that's the last person I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see. I love it. Oh, I forgotten to cuss
Speaker 1: on this, right, but let's say this first thing. If
Speaker 1: I don't curse at all, but if if you don't
Speaker 1: like bad words, you may want to turn this one off.
Speaker 1: Not that we're gonna go full blue, but part of
Speaker 1: Wheeler's characters, he's very blue. And that's all I enjoy
Speaker 1: Wheeler because he's so blue. So um, there will be
Speaker 1: curse words said. And if that's not your deal, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna say it for the sake of saying it.
Speaker 1: But I'm just getting everybody heads up because mostly people
Speaker 1: cards a little bit because there's no rules. Do you know.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the audience is like for for Bobby
Speaker 1: Cass the same pretty much the same as the radio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you uh? You're talking about like
Speaker 1: reach or no, no, no, no, I mean you can
Speaker 1: tell me the reach. I don't care. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: like the type of audience members more like people's six
Speaker 1: pretty five female between the ages of twenty two and
Speaker 1: forty eight. When I look at the data, I don't
Speaker 1: know my data, but I gotta believe it's way different,
Speaker 1: probably oppos I would think so two, which is why
Speaker 1: I think it's actually funny and cool that you're on
Speaker 1: this show and talking has been because I think people
Speaker 1: will be not only they'll see we learned most of
Speaker 1: them a go, well that's dumb, but because you're it's
Speaker 1: very dude centric. Yeah, and it's it's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a part of me. It's something I enjoyed and I've
Speaker 1: always loved music. I wanted to get into it, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of something I kind of you know, created
Speaker 1: and it felt like a good I was really I
Speaker 1: will say I was much angrier at the time when
Speaker 1: I first started doing it, but I've since again, like
Speaker 1: I said, sitting here is bend is not a big
Speaker 1: deal for me because I'm not as piste, piste off
Speaker 1: or angry to these older women. I'll use the word
Speaker 1: angry as I was when older, How old are you?
Speaker 1: You're like, you're exactly I should be there, like that
Speaker 1: should be you know, that's who Sho should be. That's exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm forty three. I'm not a kid. I can grow
Speaker 1: a full beard. Look on. Um and yeah, I just
Speaker 1: it just it feels different to me now and I
Speaker 1: feel like, um, I don't really like hiding bend is
Speaker 1: not important to me? What was it? And before I
Speaker 1: get to that, here's the funny thing to me is
Speaker 1: that when Wheeler first existed, because I didn't know you
Speaker 1: until I knew of Wheeler, and I think you had
Speaker 1: came out and you kept me online or something. I
Speaker 1: I came after you hard because my my thing was, Um,
Speaker 1: I'll tell a little people about my background. I'm from Kentucky.
Speaker 1: My mom is from nash I mean I literally passed
Speaker 1: the house from my mom grew up is right down
Speaker 1: I won't say the name of the street for the
Speaker 1: sick year crazy fans, but um, my mom grew up
Speaker 1: right down the street from here. I whentn't. I've been
Speaker 1: to your place before and I always enjoy stopping, you know,
Speaker 1: driving by. They since put an extra story on it,
Speaker 1: but you know, my family is from here, so I
Speaker 1: I just had decided that I was going to I
Speaker 1: had a show on Comedy Central and I did a
Speaker 1: kind of a a a country music show on Comedy Central,
Speaker 1: and I did a sketch where I because I always
Speaker 1: loved playing music, I wanted to I wanted to do
Speaker 1: a song and I sang like a country or song
Speaker 1: that was really dirty, and he got a great reaction.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I stoet a whole album with this, and
Speaker 1: I kind of I knew a lot of just from
Speaker 1: growing up here, I knew a lot of people and
Speaker 1: I a lot of people at that time were from
Speaker 1: my hometown, Kentucky were starting to get big, and they
Speaker 1: introduced me to Dave Cobb, the producer who did Stapleton
Speaker 1: and is Bell, Sturgel, lot, you know all the you know,
Speaker 1: he's got a hand of a closet full of Grammy's now,
Speaker 1: none of which are mine. But and we I talked.
Speaker 1: I sat down and talked to Dave and he was
Speaker 1: really into I just want to go. I wanted to
Speaker 1: make because what had happened is I had taken a
Speaker 1: break from kind of what I guess you would call
Speaker 1: commercial country for so long, like I literally turned off
Speaker 1: the radio in I don't know what year exactly, but
Speaker 1: it feels like I turned off the radio when it
Speaker 1: was Alan Jackson and Travis Tritt and turned it back
Speaker 1: on it was Florida Georgian line I did. I honestly
Speaker 1: didn't know what was happening, because you would Los Angeles
Speaker 1: and you weren't. I think it was that. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was that. I think I had also
Speaker 1: maybe just kind of I've never really been a radio guy.
Speaker 1: I always you know, I'm an album collector. I love
Speaker 1: listening to what I want to listen to, and I
Speaker 1: just I never really was, you know, I never needed
Speaker 1: the radio to tell me what to listen to. I
Speaker 1: was always reading about it, Like I used to go
Speaker 1: to the University of Kentucky library and and borrow Rolling
Speaker 1: Stone magazines like like the old old ones on microfiche
Speaker 1: and see like what they liked that week. Yeah, exactly
Speaker 1: have to put him in, I mean, which you don't
Speaker 1: need anymore because they have the Internet. But I would like,
Speaker 1: who's this guy lou read? I want to learn more
Speaker 1: about him? You just go buy the record. So I
Speaker 1: just never kept up with what was going on commercially.
Speaker 1: I was really blown away by the how pop it
Speaker 1: had become. And it's kind of and I thought that
Speaker 1: would be kind of a good and I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I don't love that stuff and you know that, you
Speaker 1: know that, But I just thought it was kind of
Speaker 1: a good metaphor. It was like it was a good
Speaker 1: um and still is. It's a good um like a
Speaker 1: superhero movie. It's a good villain, you know, Like I'm
Speaker 1: real country. You guys are fake country on the real thing.
Speaker 1: And that's what where the whole fun of it came
Speaker 1: to me was. And I've read a million reviews how
Speaker 1: Wheeler is the real thing and these guys suck and
Speaker 1: I'm and I get a chuckle, you know, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm made up, you know. So it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: just like I think what happened was I and I
Speaker 1: was honestly angry that, like how is this? Because like
Speaker 1: I had family members who are you know? And I
Speaker 1: would see back in when I would come to Nashville,
Speaker 1: which was pretty much every few weeks as a kid,
Speaker 1: and you know, you'd see you know, um, Crystal Gale
Speaker 1: walking down the street. It was just a small town
Speaker 1: with a few country stars around, and it felt like
Speaker 1: really organic, real music. And it feels like and it
Speaker 1: felt like almost a Hollywood had taken over in my
Speaker 1: back of my mind. I think living out in l A,
Speaker 1: it's like I can always go back to country music
Speaker 1: and listen to country radio and just remind me of
Speaker 1: the good old days, and it just it just disappeared again.
Speaker 1: You know, no personal offense, but um, it's just kind
Speaker 1: of and you've had your issues with the two um
Speaker 1: but um. And as you as almost the face of
Speaker 1: country radio at the time, I think I was. I
Speaker 1: singled you as an enemy, and then there was a
Speaker 1: few people who would, like, you know, I don't remember
Speaker 1: who it was, but a few different people were They're like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's a this, he's um. I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: the word they use. They always used the same. He
Speaker 1: likes he likes to um stir stir s up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's like, no, no, Bobby, Bobby is a UM.
Speaker 1: You know, Bobby's the guy likes this, you know, start ship.
Speaker 1: And I was like, um, huh, maybe I got him wrong.
Speaker 1: And then we met and we remember we came after
Speaker 1: me on Twitter and I was like, well, I've already
Speaker 1: been a fan of what the character supposedly stood for,
Speaker 1: and I knew it was a character too, So I
Speaker 1: enjoyed the hyperbole of Wheeler Walker, loved it. And you
Speaker 1: came after me, and I remember just going, O get
Speaker 1: this funny, And I think I replied back, like, you're right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're everything. You're things right about me, about me specifically. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you'd also i'd heard that, um you uh, um,
Speaker 1: what do you? What do you? What do you know?
Speaker 1: Shouldn't you shut the door? People are like cooking downstairs.
Speaker 1: You gotta you know what's in the house. Well, this
Speaker 1: is how you know you want dancing with the Star.
Speaker 1: You got a team of people cooking you food. We
Speaker 1: have a Christmas party at my house tonight. Okay, so
Speaker 1: like my whole show is coming over tonight. So the
Speaker 1: team of people actually a friend of mine who said
Speaker 1: I will come and cook the crystal. Well, I said,
Speaker 1: I've been there. I don't remember teams. There's no teams,
Speaker 1: just hanging out. Mike's the only team. So back back
Speaker 1: before the blender jumped into our conversation, uh, I remember
Speaker 1: just your messaging at me and making fun of me
Speaker 1: online like, well, I did that all the time, and
Speaker 1: I didn't. For the most I did it and I
Speaker 1: still do it. A lot of the people I have
Speaker 1: no idea who they are. I just know they're you know,
Speaker 1: I have my people, that's you know. There's plenty of
Speaker 1: people I've made fun of online since met And then
Speaker 1: as someone go, you know, you should actually listen to him,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, you know what, it's not
Speaker 1: that bad, you know, but but but it's usually insult
Speaker 1: first and ask questions later, which is probably probably gets
Speaker 1: me in trouble. Well, and you know, that's what you
Speaker 1: did to me, But again its with the character of it,
Speaker 1: and what's funny and hard for me because you're actually
Speaker 1: a really nice guy when you're not Wheeler like we
Speaker 1: learned been to me or there. The juxtaposition between you
Speaker 1: two is night and day because you're actually pretty soft
Speaker 1: spoken human. That's really funny. And Wheeler is this big,
Speaker 1: loud character and so's and used to come after me.
Speaker 1: But I see you come after my friends too, and
Speaker 1: they don't know Ben, they only see Wheeler and I
Speaker 1: laugh and just see how they react because again, how
Speaker 1: someone reacts to a character, well, the best way for
Speaker 1: what it's worth about like a band who i've since
Speaker 1: I think I want to say I met him. I
Speaker 1: don't remember, but I went hard after Old Dominion and
Speaker 1: they just came back with a joke, making like a
Speaker 1: really funny joke. I never made fun of him since
Speaker 1: it's just like if you go along with it and
Speaker 1: you just and I'll never touch Old Dominion again. It's
Speaker 1: just like you go out the DNA and I love
Speaker 1: those guys, but I just laugh. But they're but they're
Speaker 1: just they don't take it that well, and it just
Speaker 1: brings it's just fun. It's just fun to have that.
Speaker 1: And I'm not and not joking. My therapist thinks this
Speaker 1: whole thing. He's like, he thinks it's great for me.
Speaker 1: He's like, you've really improved. It's like, well, I'm getting
Speaker 1: um a um uh. Well, let me just give you
Speaker 1: a quick example. I had a a sketch on the
Speaker 1: On the Bench show where I just scream at this
Speaker 1: group of football players and it was the end of
Speaker 1: a long day. We've been shooting all day and I
Speaker 1: was screaming and yelling like, oh we didn't get that
Speaker 1: to you know, we gotta redo it. The lightning was
Speaker 1: off and I lost my voice screaming so hard and um,
Speaker 1: and I've always been insomniac. And I told my therapist,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have to take amby and do anything.
Speaker 1: That night. I just fell asleep. He's like, well, you
Speaker 1: got it all out. There's a lot of your system.
Speaker 1: I slept like a baby that night. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: actually I should just yell and screaming strangers every day,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's kind of what the character became,
Speaker 1: you know, um a little with more social media. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just it was just there's so much pent
Speaker 1: up and you see the soft nice guy, but inside
Speaker 1: it's just like it's raging. See I don't because you
Speaker 1: and I socially more than once, and it's a very
Speaker 1: soft nice guy. But also I know creatives are nuts,
Speaker 1: and to be a creative, there's some nutty part of
Speaker 1: you that is just sitting in there waiting to jump out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that that that it's nice to have a release
Speaker 1: for that nutty part, you know. And I didn't know
Speaker 1: how badly I needed it. Um. But I also do
Speaker 1: love country music and I love playing. I've really enjoyed,
Speaker 1: you know, every you've enjoyed every second of it. Um,
Speaker 1: you do love country music, that's the truth, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up with it. I don't think
Speaker 1: you can. I don't think you can do what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: And I sincerely love the music and know it really well.
Speaker 1: The first song that you put on the Bench show
Speaker 1: was called Eating p and Kicking a Yeah, and that guy.
Speaker 1: That one was so much fun because we brought in
Speaker 1: a group of um, you can still watch it online,
Speaker 1: and we brought in a group of Hollywood extras, mostly
Speaker 1: older folk who didn't there's just it was almost like
Speaker 1: a jackass type thing, and we shot their reactions just
Speaker 1: like you're you're just audience members at a country show,
Speaker 1: you know. And they just sat there and we just
Speaker 1: we went and I sang that song straight, and I
Speaker 1: mean a couple of people left and without getting their
Speaker 1: check just they were just so upset, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, I'd like to do this every day, you know.
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Speaker 1: All Right, so you want to praying Justin Bieber fans
Speaker 1: by by doing a Q and A with Justin Bieber
Speaker 1: except you just stole a picture off of Instagram. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I told that. I told that story on Conan. I
Speaker 1: um um, I took a somebody ted a picture of
Speaker 1: a biber on on a plane and and I said,
Speaker 1: as this is as Ben And I said, um, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to Biber and our planes stuck on
Speaker 1: the runway. And I'll ask him and he says, I'll
Speaker 1: do He collided any question because I was trying to
Speaker 1: promote the show. Go. He'll answer any question you guys want.
Speaker 1: He's really being really cool because we're gonna be here
Speaker 1: for like an hour. And I got fans from Bieber
Speaker 1: fans from all over the world. They're like, you know,
Speaker 1: can we ask him when he's coming to Australia and
Speaker 1: we're right back. I just asked him. He said he
Speaker 1: hates Australians ever coming, and he's like any and some girls,
Speaker 1: some poor little girl. May I feel bad for these kids? Now?
Speaker 1: This girl goes, um, you know, can you ask me
Speaker 1: if he likes girls with glasses? I mean like he
Speaker 1: says he just thinks that he thinks there they suck
Speaker 1: and you should get contacts, you know, and just like
Speaker 1: you know, just being rude and if they all believed it,
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I think it was maybe the
Speaker 1: early days a Twitter or something. And so that was
Speaker 1: been You did the Bench, which I thought the Ben
Speaker 1: show was so funny. I thought it was so funny.
Speaker 1: It was it was only it was tough show to do. Um,
Speaker 1: and we I talked about it with the right around
Speaker 1: the time of Key and Peel were Um, it was
Speaker 1: a sketch show, which is a really hard thing to
Speaker 1: do nowadays with like and even Key and Peel had
Speaker 1: this issue, which is, why would I watch a show
Speaker 1: a sketch on TV. I'll just wait for my friends
Speaker 1: to text me the you know, the best sketches, and
Speaker 1: it's just hard to keep them involved. So um, it
Speaker 1: was always my goal to kind of have my own
Speaker 1: sketch show. So I was happy that I had it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I didn't really. What's ironic is that if
Speaker 1: I if I've gotten those numbers today, I'd be the
Speaker 1: biggest thing on television, which at the time it just
Speaker 1: didn't work well enough. So when when you decided to
Speaker 1: Wheeler Walker, and you had to fully commit to being
Speaker 1: Wheeler because do you have the beard all the time.
Speaker 1: I've never known you without the beard. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 1: grew it up for I Like, when I meant to
Speaker 1: make the record, I was starting to grow I was
Speaker 1: like the first record, Yeah, while I was writing for
Speaker 1: James Gordon at the time. So I went, um, we
Speaker 1: had a chuiz a Thanksgiving break and I went back,
Speaker 1: I have Thanksgiving a national over years for my family is.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I told Dave Cobego, I got
Speaker 1: these and we'd record the whole record in four days
Speaker 1: and I um, I put the um. We record the
Speaker 1: whole album that fast, just like I would take breaks
Speaker 1: from Thanksgiving and run over the record and then um
Speaker 1: I UM. During that time, I was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: grow out the beard just to like take pictures because
Speaker 1: I'd already been asked. You know what if it takes
Speaker 1: off enough to tour, I'm like, I'm never fucking touring.
Speaker 1: So that was the thing. You didn't want to tour,
Speaker 1: huh never. It was just a comedy music correct my well,
Speaker 1: you know, my brother was in this band. Scissor Sisters
Speaker 1: were a huge band in the Europe especially. I mean
Speaker 1: he was he still selling out arenas sold I want
Speaker 1: to say he sold five or six million copies of
Speaker 1: his first record. At least it was huge, and I
Speaker 1: just saw it. I knew it moved for very similar
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And he just couldn't. He
Speaker 1: just didn't like life on the road. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: and my I mean mid late late thirties. Then you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to leave a good paying
Speaker 1: off his job at cord that that's that's good money
Speaker 1: to go sitting. I knew. I never thought people would
Speaker 1: show up to gigs. I don't want to sit in
Speaker 1: a in a in a sprinter van outside of some
Speaker 1: tiny club. That's not what I want. I wanted it.
Speaker 1: Maybe at twenty one, I just didn't. It's not something
Speaker 1: I wanted. So and I finished the album. I think
Speaker 1: I took the album cover shaved, just like that's the
Speaker 1: end that I know. And then of course they call
Speaker 1: so and so is gonna pay X amount to play Chicago.
Speaker 1: I'm like, but while you're on the way back, you
Speaker 1: can play this, this, this place. I was starting to
Speaker 1: get offers to give you offers and a route you
Speaker 1: other close by places. Yeah, I was starting to get
Speaker 1: enough offers that made me think about it. And this
Speaker 1: is after the first record, this after the first Yeah,
Speaker 1: the first record debuted at number nine on the Billboard
Speaker 1: Country Charts, and that was called it was called redneck
Speaker 1: S Work, redneck Ship. And when they called to tell
Speaker 1: me that it was I didn't have a manager, I
Speaker 1: didn't have anything. I had a I left Cops studio
Speaker 1: with them with a the album on a hard drive
Speaker 1: because I just made the ben choice head so I
Speaker 1: just paid him in cash for the album and I
Speaker 1: left with the album on a hard drive and I go,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a bummer that no one's going to
Speaker 1: hear it. Because we were both like, this, this is
Speaker 1: really actually a really interesting, great country record. It's too bad.
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be. It's gonna be something I play
Speaker 1: for my friends when they come over. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was trying to And then I we sent around
Speaker 1: and I actually talked to a couple of a couple
Speaker 1: of the big labels, and I can tell that they
Speaker 1: were just they thought, you know, it would be it
Speaker 1: would end up being in the closet. So where So
Speaker 1: I talked to thirty Tigers, the local distributor does a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, big stuff, and like, we think
Speaker 1: it can sell, so let's put it out and see
Speaker 1: what happens. And we did. I want to I don't
Speaker 1: know what, really, I don't know what made it take
Speaker 1: off like that. I think it was just something new
Speaker 1: in country and I think, yeah, well that was the
Speaker 1: thing too where I am like Dave Cobb would call
Speaker 1: me like, how do you know so and so go,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know who you're talking about.
Speaker 1: He's like, because he just came to me at dinner.
Speaker 1: So he loves the record. And this is when the
Speaker 1: record wasn't out. I was getting calls emails from people
Speaker 1: who've heard the record. I think it really was being
Speaker 1: handed around in Nashville, Ton, so I think a lot
Speaker 1: of kind of taste makers um And he was a
Speaker 1: really funny story which I can now tell is I
Speaker 1: was writing at Cordon and Dirk Spentley and Luke Bryan
Speaker 1: We're hosting. The was a c M, probably a c M,
Speaker 1: so they had to come in and do a bit
Speaker 1: on Cordon and they're like, Ben, you're a fucking redneck.
Speaker 1: Why don't you go deal with Luke and Dirk's and
Speaker 1: help him with this song? Was like all right, and
Speaker 1: we started working on it was the the bit was
Speaker 1: and I'm not being they were good, it just wasn't
Speaker 1: that funny a bit. It was a bit about how
Speaker 1: like there's never been a country hit out of England,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna write an English country hit for James.
Speaker 1: And we started hanging out and like working on this sketch.
Speaker 1: And then midway through I was like, oh, I know
Speaker 1: your agent Ja, and they're like and they both look
Speaker 1: at each other like you know j reps comedy writers,
Speaker 1: and I was like you, no, No, I do some
Speaker 1: country this My album has been out for a few
Speaker 1: weeks and I was like, no, I do some comedy.
Speaker 1: I do some country music on the side. That's like
Speaker 1: a side thing like oh, what's your what's the what's
Speaker 1: the side thing on called It's Wheeler Walker Jr. I
Speaker 1: saw their eyes light up and everyone was like your
Speaker 1: wheeler Wheeler Walker Jr. And I I didn't know it
Speaker 1: had reached to that, you know, the guys at the
Speaker 1: top of the church. I had no idea. And then
Speaker 1: I got a text from Jay who was talking about
Speaker 1: like Luke and Dirks can't believe that they're working with you.
Speaker 1: I'm like, We're who's who's telling people about this album
Speaker 1: we're to coming from. You know, I just had no idea,
Speaker 1: so I just kind of it just kind of word
Speaker 1: spreads to this day. I mean, that album we'll probably sell.
Speaker 1: I mean that's an independent album, just from word of mouth. Obviously,
Speaker 1: no radio playing, the videos, know nothing. It'll it'll it's
Speaker 1: getting near a couple of hundred thousand albums. That's how
Speaker 1: I heard about it was Eddie, my producer, comes in
Speaker 1: and goes, do you know this Wheeler guy? That was
Speaker 1: like I didn't at the time, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't. He goes, listen to this song. That's something
Speaker 1: that beating off beat off. Yeah, probably better off beating off.
Speaker 1: That's what I was. And he played it and I
Speaker 1: was like, that's what And we had put out, um
Speaker 1: like a raging idiot's record at the same time. I
Speaker 1: remember going after that and they you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was it was ahead of me on some
Speaker 1: kind of all. I was looking at the charts a bunch,
Speaker 1: because when you're a comedy writer, you're just like half
Speaker 1: your job is looking at the Internet. The other I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of it. The internet looking is if
Speaker 1: you're comedian, you're looking at yourself you know, how's my
Speaker 1: stand up? Because I did never have never were done
Speaker 1: stand up to this day. It was never interested in it.
Speaker 1: And people, you know, everyone's googling themselves, others, tickets song,
Speaker 1: so I would just be on iTunes or you know,
Speaker 1: googling Wheeler Walker Jr. Seeing what's going on. So I
Speaker 1: was just like checking it all. There was a story
Speaker 1: they did about both I remember now the Watchington posted
Speaker 1: a story about comedy country. Yeah, no, you know what
Speaker 1: this is? New York Times? Is that what it was?
Speaker 1: I remember that just like someone called me like like
Speaker 1: I said back to a publicist, like the New York
Speaker 1: Times wants to talk to you. I was like, what
Speaker 1: the hell heck is this about? And then we were
Speaker 1: in the same arm and then Edie goes, you hear
Speaker 1: this beating off song? And I listened when we started
Speaker 1: sitting in the studio playing your music, and the problem
Speaker 1: was when you're in the studio, if that accidentally goes
Speaker 1: over the airwaves. I've already been fined a million dollars
Speaker 1: by the FCC. I'm really yeah. When when you get
Speaker 1: those and I have to feel like I've asked you
Speaker 1: this before, When you get those fines, who do you
Speaker 1: actually have to pay it? So I didn't have to
Speaker 1: pay it because my company said we'll take the hit
Speaker 1: for you. I would have had to pay it if
Speaker 1: they would have wanted me to pay it. They can,
Speaker 1: they can force you to pay well, I mean I
Speaker 1: did it. So it was a whole thing too. But
Speaker 1: my company took took all of it, and I think
Speaker 1: in the end they split it up over a few years.
Speaker 1: But no, they came at me. Um, but it was
Speaker 1: it was so it was an accident. But I was
Speaker 1: already find a million bucks. And once that happened, I
Speaker 1: think there's only three of us have ever been find
Speaker 1: that much, Stern being another one. He's been finding multiple times. Um,
Speaker 1: So I got fined and we were playing this in
Speaker 1: the studio and what did you get fined? Do you
Speaker 1: remember one of the ones you're gonna find for I
Speaker 1: gotta find one time for one million dollars? What was
Speaker 1: that for? Playing? So here's the story is. I was
Speaker 1: on the air in Dallas, uh, doing my show from Dallas,
Speaker 1: and the World Series was happening, and in the DC
Speaker 1: market which my show is on, they cut in right
Speaker 1: at a home run and played the E A. S.
Speaker 1: Testing signal, so it's like three to pitch uh and
Speaker 1: then here down you didn't see the home run that
Speaker 1: actually changed the game the course of the game. And
Speaker 1: so it was like a thirty second deal where I
Speaker 1: was just kind of re enacting huge life moments and
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, here comes the head in the
Speaker 1: A S. Like you're having a baby, like big things
Speaker 1: in life. And instead of actually that moment happening, I
Speaker 1: puy the E. S tone um because it was a
Speaker 1: big part of the world series, actually one, the whole whole,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I think I know anything about it
Speaker 1: that the tone that we had taken from the Internet
Speaker 1: was the old presidential E A S tone somehow they
Speaker 1: put on the internet. And so when I played it,
Speaker 1: it triggered off E A S alerts in all these
Speaker 1: other cities like that, you know, the old world War
Speaker 1: of the world, so exactly what it was. And so
Speaker 1: it was like Atlanta shut down, Detroit shutdown, and not
Speaker 1: only that A T you were shut down the entire
Speaker 1: TV system. And so what happens when that thing goes off,
Speaker 1: It turns to like Channel five and it's like you're
Speaker 1: now on Channel five waiting for the whatever the either
Speaker 1: this is a test of the emergency broadcast system or
Speaker 1: everyone series. I remember being on a lot of TV
Speaker 1: shows where there's certain things you can't you know, you
Speaker 1: can't have a like a like an ambiance alarm too
Speaker 1: loud that makes that people think there's actually an ambulance
Speaker 1: or anything in that kind of so, but we that
Speaker 1: tone hadn't been updated supposedly in a lot of these systems.
Speaker 1: So what happens was they triggered because one triggers another,
Speaker 1: so they all go off and shut down multiple cities
Speaker 1: to shut down an entire television service accidentally, like there
Speaker 1: was nothing malicious. I didn't even know I did it. Well,
Speaker 1: if you knew, I mean, my guess is you probably
Speaker 1: got enough um publicity from it that it was probably
Speaker 1: not worth it. But you you know, I didn't really
Speaker 1: give I couldn't talk about it. It was so legal,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're in the middle of a court case.
Speaker 1: Did did it make news? Though it made news that
Speaker 1: I was the traditional country radio community and country community
Speaker 1: and talent. My first three or four years was a
Speaker 1: nightmare because they hated me because I stood for not
Speaker 1: I didn't even stand for things that just was me,
Speaker 1: and so anytime I would get in trouble, they would
Speaker 1: just really hyper focus on it. Did you take it
Speaker 1: over for nobody? Now? What happened was Jerry House was
Speaker 1: on in Nashville, he retired, they put on another show.
Speaker 1: The other show failed old move them off and they
Speaker 1: really weren't going to do a nationally. But Jerry House
Speaker 1: was the guy was on forever right, Yes, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the guy who when I mentioned I was doing this show,
Speaker 1: my uncle was like, oh, is that the same station?
Speaker 1: You know? Is that Jerry Alice? I'm like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to Jerry. Years before me, Jerry House was on.
Speaker 1: So but anyway, I got fine million bucks by the
Speaker 1: SEC because of what had happened with all those eyes
Speaker 1: alerts which can't can't do that? Is that was that Mike?
Speaker 1: Did you grab that sound? Did not know? Let's play
Speaker 1: it now what happens? Okay, so yeah that happened. Um
Speaker 1: My point was we couldn't play with the studio because
Speaker 1: if it was to go over the air through a
Speaker 1: microphone that happened to be on that's another fine exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean once you get the first one, I guess,
Speaker 1: but do everything about doing an edited record, so that
Speaker 1: could happen or was that against what Wheeler stood from? No,
Speaker 1: it was against what he what he and I stood for,
Speaker 1: which is my thing was always like, you want to
Speaker 1: play my songs, go edit them yourselves, because I just
Speaker 1: don't want to. It's kind of like I said, it's
Speaker 1: kind of how I felt at the time. I think
Speaker 1: I just, um, I just had a show canceled. I
Speaker 1: was kind of I was a Kentucky boy. He wasn't
Speaker 1: happy about being in Los Angeles period, and also being unemployed,
Speaker 1: and you know it's like, let's just be rowdy and
Speaker 1: and make everyone angry. You know, That's kind of how
Speaker 1: I felt. I really, I mean I really didn't care. Um,
Speaker 1: it's weird now doing Wheeler. That's why I made this
Speaker 1: the new records is he's married, as his son a kid,
Speaker 1: because I wanted to make a to see what a
Speaker 1: happy Wheeler would sound like. And he's still just as
Speaker 1: angry as he always was. But so it's what w
Speaker 1: W three Yeah, as in Weil Walking three, also World
Speaker 1: War three. Yeah, the name after after my son, Wheeler
Speaker 1: Walker the third. But you know, like I I thought
Speaker 1: w W three would be a good title, just because
Speaker 1: first of all, what World War three could be happening
Speaker 1: as we as we speak right now, but also putting
Speaker 1: out my albums as always, he is always tough. You know.
Speaker 1: Any guilt for going after some of these people, they're
Speaker 1: probably good people. Does Benfield guilt? Um? I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think who I have felt guilt for and if any
Speaker 1: of them come back and said please stop, like oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've had some big the big artists you know, come
Speaker 1: reach out through management agents whatever, Can you leave me alone?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, Well, it's just I was just
Speaker 1: always were a very shy person, as you know, like
Speaker 1: I would go down you know, um, and it just
Speaker 1: felt it was really liberating to just tell people to
Speaker 1: f off to their face. It's just really cool. And
Speaker 1: then I, um, I would probably feel, you know, I
Speaker 1: would get you know, so and so is you know,
Speaker 1: really really angry about what you said about I'm just
Speaker 1: like we'll tell them to like the character would get
Speaker 1: into Ben and I and I actually, you know, I
Speaker 1: would go to meetings in Hollywood and trying to you know,
Speaker 1: work on TV shows. I literally have agents, managers, you know,
Speaker 1: throw a little wheeler into this meeting, you know, let
Speaker 1: him know, you know, because I would go in so
Speaker 1: timid before, and it's kind of help, you know, turn
Speaker 1: up to like I would literally heard the phrase you
Speaker 1: maybe do a half wheeler at this Netflix meeting and
Speaker 1: see what you can get out of it, because when
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just too. La is a tough place for
Speaker 1: like a shy, you know, timid, small town kid, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's helped me in that respect too, I think.
Speaker 1: So with a new record, what's the you have a single? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's just the order you know what's I sell.
Speaker 1: It's not singles. It's just the order of things, the
Speaker 1: songs that we decided about, the songs out But what's
Speaker 1: the song? If there if comedy radio, if if satellite,
Speaker 1: it was like, we gotta play a song. Well the
Speaker 1: one people I think Outlaw Country has been playing. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: they've been play because that that album the first time
Speaker 1: especially was really good for Outlaw Outlaw Country station on Sirius.
Speaker 1: It was a song they loved, Um, they loved say
Speaker 1: some Titty Milk for Me, which is a song to
Speaker 1: my obviously wife and sons, Some Titty Milk for Me,
Speaker 1: which is actually I was talking to a buddy of mine, who,
Speaker 1: like I said, all this stuff comes from real stuff.
Speaker 1: He's like, have you ever tasted breast milk? And I'm
Speaker 1: like I'm like, of course not. He's like, you know, oh,
Speaker 1: here we go. See sounds like country mansb lap two
Speaker 1: years never just like I love you, but I'm just
Speaker 1: when you go into a right, okay, And you wrote
Speaker 1: with some really great writers, yeah I do. I do
Speaker 1: most of the majority still on my own. The first
Speaker 1: album was eleven so right, so I didn't know what
Speaker 1: co writing was. You know, I've never been in a
Speaker 1: writer's room. Uh, certainly. I mean I was used to,
Speaker 1: you know, comedy writers rooms are eleven people. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know they had co writers. I mean I knew
Speaker 1: Lennon McCartney and that kind of stuff. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that like especially countries, you know, co writes have like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a big thing, and uh you know,
Speaker 1: you know in Nashville, I didn't know you were allowed
Speaker 1: to do that. So I just wear every so on
Speaker 1: with myself. That's what you had to do. By the
Speaker 1: second album is when I started getting calls some of
Speaker 1: the big writers, you know, like I want to write
Speaker 1: a song if you like, it can only make it better.
Speaker 1: Why not try it? You know? Do you like that
Speaker 1: process of writing with songwriters? I do, but I also
Speaker 1: like doing it by my I mean I I've had
Speaker 1: some great experiences and I've had some you know, Um,
Speaker 1: I met a lot of cool people, you know, I
Speaker 1: think like a lot of them, guys won't put their
Speaker 1: names on the albums. And I'll tell you off the
Speaker 1: hear I just won't say it on the air, but
Speaker 1: there's a one song on my new album, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite songs. One of the co writers is a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, a huge guy who you play all the time,
Speaker 1: and he just you know, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: get him in trouble, but you know, those guys call
Speaker 1: and now I get called, and I've gotten calls you
Speaker 1: know to like you know, for guys on their albums.
Speaker 1: You know, we want that Wheeler sound, you know, can
Speaker 1: you come in and write with me? And that's that's
Speaker 1: the tough ones for me, which is like, you know,
Speaker 1: just like you know you just said, you know, you
Speaker 1: know grit, there's like I can I got good word
Speaker 1: to rhyme with that? You no, no, we can't use this,
Speaker 1: you know, you know this is for the radio, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, so I gotta kind of hold
Speaker 1: myself back. And it's just I have respect for those
Speaker 1: guys who can sit in that room and be that
Speaker 1: kind of vulnerable and kind of real with other people.
Speaker 1: Just seems weird to me. You know, the records out
Speaker 1: and there's nothing that's completely clean that you could play
Speaker 1: on that I could play no, And I thought about it,
Speaker 1: you know, um, not completely clean because a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of songs have cursing in them or references.
Speaker 1: But you know, Wheelers over the pretty over the top.
Speaker 1: It's over the top end Like I also too, there's
Speaker 1: I don't want. I didn't want to be on any
Speaker 1: like I don't like the things that I would get
Speaker 1: me for example, radio play and doing a radio to
Speaker 1: I have a lot of you know, I've made a
Speaker 1: lot of good friends in country music. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: that that's been the highlight for me. Um and spending
Speaker 1: a lot of time in Nashville, which is basically you know,
Speaker 1: home for me has been more of my favorite things.
Speaker 1: But the other like I don't want to go on
Speaker 1: the late night shows. I actually, I mean, I've had
Speaker 1: after the second an album, I had two big talk shows,
Speaker 1: say give us a clean song, and when you come
Speaker 1: on our show, I'm just and then the part of
Speaker 1: me that's just like I won't listen to and it's
Speaker 1: that's part of actually who I am. I don't know
Speaker 1: where I get that. I think you have a little
Speaker 1: bit of that too, which is like, whatever you tell
Speaker 1: me to do, I'm not gonna you know, if that's
Speaker 1: not I'm supposed to do, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: it exactly. It's like, oh, so a clean song will
Speaker 1: get me on you know, NBC at whatever time. I
Speaker 1: don't want it, even though deep inside I probably did,
Speaker 1: but it just my immediate reaction is I don't want that. So,
Speaker 1: you know, those opportunities are there, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to fly out to l A or to New York
Speaker 1: and do three minutes on a late night show. I
Speaker 1: also don't think it really helps. But I don't think
Speaker 1: now it helps near even as much as I did
Speaker 1: three years ago. I don't think it helps it. I
Speaker 1: mean those those because again I've worked in late night
Speaker 1: and those those ratings we got, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: we're so so. I mean, I I mainly do you know,
Speaker 1: podcasts out my my, my press tours, going to l
Speaker 1: A for five of days and do a bunch of
Speaker 1: podcasts and those things. I mean, you know, the numbers
Speaker 1: on these big podcasts, those are you know, millions and
Speaker 1: millions of people. I mean this one here does seven
Speaker 1: digits seven yeah, so and people underestimate how valuable a
Speaker 1: podcast is. Well that was a big thing too, because
Speaker 1: I knew Joe Rogan from going on his show. I
Speaker 1: knew him a little bit around town. I knew him
Speaker 1: from him from UM. I had gone on his show
Speaker 1: to promote the Ben Show, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: why don't I come in and promote my this record
Speaker 1: I put out? And then right before we went on,
Speaker 1: there was like, why don't you just do it as Wheeler?
Speaker 1: Be more fun? And even though he knew Ben, and
Speaker 1: then I get like, mam went back up the charts
Speaker 1: and I still remember, um, somebody tell me that Margot
Speaker 1: Price had done SNL that week and I sold more
Speaker 1: records from Rogan, Like Joe Rogans literally has bigger numbers
Speaker 1: on his podcast. On his podcast, and I'm starting to
Speaker 1: night live like a big night of SNL is low
Speaker 1: numbers for Joe Rogan, which is crazy to think that
Speaker 1: you could. You know, the way people consume media is
Speaker 1: just so much different. Again too, I don't know if
Speaker 1: my album will be in the running to be near
Speaker 1: the top of the charts this time, but the numbers,
Speaker 1: certainly slow weeks in country music, you could have a
Speaker 1: number one record with I don't know how many albums sold.
Speaker 1: Certainly ten to fifteen thousand wouldn't be crazy, no, And
Speaker 1: you know it's funny the slow week which is what
Speaker 1: where we targeted, and we had the number one comedy
Speaker 1: record and then we had the number four country record
Speaker 1: with the record we just goofed off. We were not
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say g gooped doped. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: what these guys do like. Their life is making a record. Um,
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Speaker 1: a live past this? I gotta see I have some
Speaker 1: awesome talks now of a possible. Um, a couple of
Speaker 1: possible concert specials, but I'm not sure. I have mixed
Speaker 1: feelings on them. We'll see where that goes. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know because we'll talk about a second.
Speaker 1: I've got some other stuff, bruins, so we've got to see. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I just don't. I love playing
Speaker 1: music too much. I don't know how it can be there.
Speaker 1: And I also don't want to do a bend album,
Speaker 1: you know. So so what about your face? Do you
Speaker 1: shave it? Or do you have to leave the full
Speaker 1: beard forever? Is it part of no? I think I shave.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna shave now. I gotta we'll talk.
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Speaker 1: just curious. What's life loss? So, for example, people have
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Speaker 1: I don't want people. I don't want people using my
Speaker 1: name too, because once it gets out there, people can
Speaker 1: try to jack all kinds of stuff, including your your name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, I don't want that, um, especially now thanks
Speaker 1: to you, people are gonna know my real name. Um people.
Speaker 1: And it was funny to be when people would not
Speaker 1: to completely change the stuff to here, but you would
Speaker 1: say something as we other people get pissed off and
Speaker 1: they'd be like, hey, listen, we know you're really been
Speaker 1: and it's like, of course it takes one google. That's
Speaker 1: what that's I would say, if everything that makes me
Speaker 1: angry about this whole thing, that's what makes me the
Speaker 1: most angries, Like, man, you tricked me, and that's what
Speaker 1: which just had nothing to do. Like they would go, listen,
Speaker 1: you're just some dude from New York who's trying to
Speaker 1: trick us. It's like, no, I'm from you know, I
Speaker 1: grew up in Kentucky. My family's all from Nashville. I
Speaker 1: was like, I grew up with this music. I love
Speaker 1: this music, and trying to trick people was the was
Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted to do. I didn't want
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. It's just I wanted to Honestly,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make music and I wanted to
Speaker 1: do it. I think the Ben Show was so because
Speaker 1: of the let me know if I'm going too off topic,
Speaker 1: but the Bench Show because of the lead reasons, had
Speaker 1: to be called the Ben Show with Ben Hoffman to separate,
Speaker 1: you know, like they do The Daily Show with John Stewart,
Speaker 1: We're not Trevor Noah, so they you know, the Daily
Speaker 1: Show name was I think taken, so they're like multiple take.
Speaker 1: Someone had copyrighted. So the Daily Show with John Stewart's
Speaker 1: not taken, so do that. So my show was the
Speaker 1: Ben Show with Ben Hoffman. All the billboards, posters, everything
Speaker 1: was my face going on Kimmel, going on con and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I just gotten really sick of of
Speaker 1: me and being banned. I was like, why don't just
Speaker 1: be someone else for a couple of years. See how
Speaker 1: it goes and like I said, it took off in
Speaker 1: a way I didn't expect. But um, that was kind
Speaker 1: of That was my reasoning for it. Had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with like, oh man, I'm gonna trick all these
Speaker 1: country fans. I mean, it's still good. I mean people
Speaker 1: still when people are at the shows, they're not sitting
Speaker 1: down laughing, They're they're up there and they're you know,
Speaker 1: they're loving the music. So when people really believe Wheeler
Speaker 1: is real and they message, you're like, oh, like this
Speaker 1: is the real deal, like you are the real there
Speaker 1: and they really mean it sincerely. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about that? Well? So, I mean, like, for example, while
Speaker 1: I was backstage, I was did I opened a tour
Speaker 1: for kid Rock and I was backstage and Guy Fieri
Speaker 1: wanted to make me real bad and I introduced myself
Speaker 1: as Bend. He's like, what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Don't I'm not really His real name is Guy Fiery,
Speaker 1: He's got he pronounced it Fieri or something like that.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and he said to me, it's like
Speaker 1: telling me saying I ain't real, and I'm like, and
Speaker 1: it made me think, like what, well, sorry, Guy Fiery.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, but I'm thinking my head, like, what's
Speaker 1: the different mean? Does the songs change, the music change?
Speaker 1: You know? Another thing too is you know these country stars,
Speaker 1: half of them aren't using their real name. This outlawing
Speaker 1: like a cowboy head is not a practical thing to
Speaker 1: wear on it's on a stage. These out you know,
Speaker 1: cowboy boots have no use while you're playing guitar. Like,
Speaker 1: it's all in that, it's all showbiz, it's all in act.
Speaker 1: So in that respect, I feel like I'm not really
Speaker 1: doing anything different. Certainly the content is different than what
Speaker 1: most people do, but it's something that makes me giggle
Speaker 1: or something that I get enjoyment from. But it has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with um, none of zero percent of
Speaker 1: what I was trying to do was like some kind
Speaker 1: of jackass style prank or something. So that really and
Speaker 1: then like you said, we know your name is really
Speaker 1: really Ben Hoffman, I'm like, oh really, sure, Lot Holmes,
Speaker 1: you got Google. You know, it's like because Wikipedia doesn't
Speaker 1: even have a because I've tried a multiple time to
Speaker 1: change give Wheeler his own Wikipedia page and they refused
Speaker 1: to do it. Wikipedia pages, Ben Hoffman, So it's not
Speaker 1: that I mean nothing could be easier to do, so
Speaker 1: talk about that Netflix that anyway. Yeah, so that's kind
Speaker 1: of why I think you were asking about what happened now,
Speaker 1: because I just I have a I gotta spend next
Speaker 1: year in Los Angeles. I sold an animated TV show
Speaker 1: which had been a passion of mine for a while,
Speaker 1: to um that I created about a high school basketball
Speaker 1: coach in Kentucky, and it's gonna I have to spend
Speaker 1: all of two thousand nineteen, it sounds like to me
Speaker 1: doing that show. So, um, it's a great I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, It's a great problem to have is to
Speaker 1: have to to have to take time off this to
Speaker 1: do it, to to run your own television show. It's
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a blast. And I mean, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna remember because I don't think because animation takes a
Speaker 1: long probably won't come out NTI that's my next year.
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a break for me, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at both both your books by well
Speaker 1: you have people still even you run and keep Wheeler
Speaker 1: alive a little bit at least. So well, that's that's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to figure out, is how much because
Speaker 1: I kind of liked the idea. I put out three
Speaker 1: albums pretty fast because I write pretty fast and do
Speaker 1: the records pretty fast. But I would like for people
Speaker 1: to forget not I mean, I feel like, I mean
Speaker 1: the old days, you know, Elbon would put out Elton
Speaker 1: John put on an album every year, and nowadays, like
Speaker 1: YouTube spent six years between records. And my thing was,
Speaker 1: if I'm doing this, I'm going on record a year,
Speaker 1: record a year. And I did three records and three years,
Speaker 1: and it took everything I had to make these records.
Speaker 1: And I'm really proud of him, but it's just I
Speaker 1: think people need I think what he kind of represents
Speaker 1: for people, I think people just need to break from
Speaker 1: right now, is my personal opinion. Yeah, that's true too.
Speaker 1: I can see now there's there's so much of that
Speaker 1: just aggression to where I can see what people will
Speaker 1: go it's adding to it. Yeah, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: on the on the wrong side of it. There's certainly
Speaker 1: issues and I'm not an aggressive person, and there's there's
Speaker 1: an aggression to it that just kind of naturally comes out.
Speaker 1: But I don't make the albums in an aggressive way,
Speaker 1: you know, like um, like you were like you were
Speaker 1: saying that one time before better Off beating off? That
Speaker 1: to me is just silly, silly, like why go out tonight,
Speaker 1: I'm not getting a girl anyway. Why not just stay
Speaker 1: home and beat off? Whereas people will other people see
Speaker 1: the songs like yeah, man, screw girls just beating off
Speaker 1: better Man, it's like it's like some kind of male
Speaker 1: empowerment song, which you know, but that happens with all
Speaker 1: comedy you do or any song anyway, you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know, okay from a Skokie. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: that's he was not like you know, that was not literal,
Speaker 1: as he explained how to explain years later. But you
Speaker 1: don't complain about the time when you got to hit
Speaker 1: with it, you know, yeah, when it's paying the bills.
Speaker 1: Did you make money if you make money off Wheeler? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like enough to survive and like yeah, I mean I had.
Speaker 1: I took a three year hiatus from Hollywood and been fine. Um,
Speaker 1: mainly because I would say the biggest reason is because
Speaker 1: I put out I have a distributor, but I put
Speaker 1: out my albums myself, and you know, I make all
Speaker 1: but a couple of bucks on every album sold, which
Speaker 1: now everyone's gonna think because I said I sold a
Speaker 1: few hundred thousand records and I have that much money.
Speaker 1: I don't have that much money. Still gotta pay for
Speaker 1: the records, as you know, going on tours, expand like
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Yeah, I mean it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta pay them, ever pay them and apparently they
Speaker 1: gotta eat and hotel. It's just like it's just too much,
Speaker 1: you know. That's what I was psyched about the show.
Speaker 1: It's just like they're telling me, like, you know, my
Speaker 1: people are negotiating the deal. It's like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: so this is just my money, Like how do I
Speaker 1: pay the band? It's like there's no band, there's no
Speaker 1: nothing anymore. It's like because usually I'll see a number
Speaker 1: in the band, the hotel, manager, agent, lawyer, everything, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I don't even know what numbers me anymore.
Speaker 1: Just like take a tenth of it. You know. I
Speaker 1: did a whole podcast, only do a whole podcast once
Speaker 1: where I broke down how much money, Like if I'm
Speaker 1: paid a dollar, I think I make thirty eight cents.
Speaker 1: That sounds that actually sounds pretty good. Yeah, and um yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's mostly so when you see these these numbers
Speaker 1: that are inflated, and I'll use a very inflated. I
Speaker 1: use a dollar because it's just simple to hear. But
Speaker 1: like Luke Bryan sixty five million dollars. Now listen, he's
Speaker 1: not going broke, but he's not really making six five
Speaker 1: million bucks, probably making not twenty Now listen, he's still
Speaker 1: got Luke Brian money. But you know all those numbers.
Speaker 1: It's like these guys, the Battery Boys or somebody who
Speaker 1: doesn't pay their taxes. Right. What happens is I talked
Speaker 1: about this on my show sometimes, So how do people
Speaker 1: not pay their taxes? Well, when you get paid as
Speaker 1: like an independent contract goes to something else about the
Speaker 1: backstree boys, imagine that Luke Bryan money were talking about
Speaker 1: divided by five to well and even that, Like I
Speaker 1: have a job, and I've had jobs that have taken
Speaker 1: my taxes out, but now I have jobs that don't
Speaker 1: and not only have to pay the taxes myself, to
Speaker 1: pay my manager, my agent. But what happens with some
Speaker 1: of these folks whenever they get in tax trouble is
Speaker 1: that you just get a paycheck and you have to
Speaker 1: figure it out like yourself, meaning who you pay taxes.
Speaker 1: That was my thing to I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: forge someone told me I need a business mansors like,
Speaker 1: I don't need a business manaors just pay the guys.
Speaker 1: So then they go, well, you know, when you play Indiana,
Speaker 1: you gotta pay the band and and pay Indiana tax
Speaker 1: And I'm like what I was like, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: know how to do that. That's where they get not
Speaker 1: that I'm not saying, you know, it's not a libel job,
Speaker 1: but it's just it's just like, of course that's you
Speaker 1: need a business, How would you ever know how to
Speaker 1: do that? You know, you're just gonna get, you know,
Speaker 1: So the amount of work it takes, I mean it takes.
Speaker 1: I mean that that would happen to me all the
Speaker 1: time with my writing checks. I'm just like, oh awesome.
Speaker 1: You know I'm seeing these big numbers. First of all,
Speaker 1: California taxes take out a third already, and then ten
Speaker 1: percent manager ten percent while you're alreadyking. Mean, I've never
Speaker 1: gotten more than half of paycheck in my life. Um,
Speaker 1: because it's it's been creative. You've done creating. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean when I was a farmhand, I got the
Speaker 1: whole check to myself. But but that six bucks an
Speaker 1: hour didn't really mean anything. But um, as I've been
Speaker 1: an adult and done creative stuff, they always mean they'll
Speaker 1: get you with you know, I guess what they're paying
Speaker 1: you per week on this TV show to right, like,
Speaker 1: oh no way, and they forget to tell you the
Speaker 1: part word and I forget to subtract you know, two
Speaker 1: thirds of it. How funny's Norm McDonald because you wrote
Speaker 1: for Norm McDonald, Um, I think he's the To me,
Speaker 1: he's the funniest person I've ever met and the funniest
Speaker 1: guy I've ever written for. And also to this day,
Speaker 1: the like the most and I think all comedians feel this,
Speaker 1: but the most anyone who's written form certainly is the
Speaker 1: most joy I get writing a joke that he says
Speaker 1: most A lot of shows all right for people. Um,
Speaker 1: and I still do write, like I wrote on the
Speaker 1: wrote on the Who's the Last Know? Bruce Willis roast
Speaker 1: was just recently I'm like, I can't do it. I'm
Speaker 1: in Nashville and they're just like, we'll just do it
Speaker 1: from so I wrote that was where life just gets
Speaker 1: a little too heckty and I can't do it all.
Speaker 1: You know, people don't know between tours or on a
Speaker 1: day off Wheelers, right, and you know for to me
Speaker 1: more on the Bruce Willis Rose. But but um, going
Speaker 1: back to Norm. But he's he's just kind of he's
Speaker 1: the like the ultimate comedians comedian. Everyone wants Norm's approval everyone,
Speaker 1: you know, there was so much competitiveness on that show.
Speaker 1: Everyone wanted you all, everyone wanted Norm to read their joke,
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of times the monologue. You know,
Speaker 1: you think about it if there's sometimes there's only ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen jokes a long monologue, you know, so that's
Speaker 1: you know, the percentages of how many, Like getting two
Speaker 1: jokes in a week is a huge accomplishment, that's huge. Um,
Speaker 1: but you're sitting around. He's also the smartest guy I
Speaker 1: ever met too. Did you want you watch the Netflix
Speaker 1: Netflix show? That was great? I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's coming back. I haven't talked to him a
Speaker 1: little while, but I'm a huge Norm fan. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: he I mean he is everything you want. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I that's what I love. My favorite performers
Speaker 1: for framers, famous like entertainers is you meet them, that's
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, like you meet Norm, he's funnier
Speaker 1: that he's just just you're the guy off the screen
Speaker 1: comes out and you're just hanging out with him. Um,
Speaker 1: maybe a bad segue, but the same thing guy Fieri.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to him. He grabs the food with his
Speaker 1: fingers like eats it like street like he like he's
Speaker 1: not doing a character. That's the guy Fiery. You know.
Speaker 1: I like those genuine guys the most, which is the
Speaker 1: opposite of what I do. So it's kind of weird.
Speaker 1: But have you met because I know you're on the
Speaker 1: wrap up show on Stern? Have you met Stern? I've
Speaker 1: not met Stern. No, Um, I met everyone kind of
Speaker 1: around him. But he's another one, you know on my
Speaker 1: top people i'd love to meet. I'm a massive Stern fan.
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't be able to do what I do
Speaker 1: without him doing what he did and does. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's the part of you. I didn't know was
Speaker 1: that I now understand you know what you love about
Speaker 1: sterning it. At the time, I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think radio DJs have a bad rap something for
Speaker 1: good reasons, just like it just thought of it was was like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, exactly. Yeah, and anyone who just kind
Speaker 1: of messes with the system at all, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm into you know, like those billboards you did that
Speaker 1: that was wild ago four years ago. Yeah, I put
Speaker 1: out billboards. If you're not knowing that, I bought billboards secretly,
Speaker 1: didn't tell anyone, didn't e tell my company, and they
Speaker 1: said go away, Bobby Bones, And it was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I hit it until I wrote my book. Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. That's what I mean, Like, that's the
Speaker 1: kind of stuff I like, you know, actually was gonna buy.
Speaker 1: We're in talks to buy a billboard across from the
Speaker 1: c M as you know on Bridgestone for my new record.
Speaker 1: And I hired all these people to figure out how
Speaker 1: you know, those like things you squint at and then
Speaker 1: you see an immage. I was a squint one where
Speaker 1: it would be an ad for my album. Then you
Speaker 1: squint it would be like fatlex, you know, like there'll
Speaker 1: be a giant penis across the street bridge bridge stone
Speaker 1: that no one would be able to see until they squinted.
Speaker 1: And then when they found out what I wanted was
Speaker 1: the c m AS footage to be a bunch of
Speaker 1: construction guys taking the the billboard down, but we couldn't
Speaker 1: get a guy to do it right. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: know there's a huge market for squinny billboard. But but
Speaker 1: my thing was I wanted to be up for a
Speaker 1: while and then I would spread the news and everyone
Speaker 1: in nashvillood knows, like look at that billboard and then
Speaker 1: squint there it is, you know. But it couldn't get right. Ah,
Speaker 1: So you did, Norm, you did. Uh. I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask about Stern. You haven't. You haven't met Stern, but
Speaker 1: you did the wrap up show. I'm a big fan. Um,
Speaker 1: you did the roast. The roast are interesting to me.
Speaker 1: We've talked about this and socially you and I were
Speaker 1: when you write the roast for some of those people,
Speaker 1: like you were just write a bunch of jokes and
Speaker 1: you just put them in like a binder. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: just used right. It's like, I mean I remember writing, um,
Speaker 1: the Roseanne roast and Um, I would spend I spent
Speaker 1: a little time with her, super nice woman. UM couldn't
Speaker 1: have been nicer. Um, and you just right, it is real.
Speaker 1: I mean I will say that, I mean I remember,
Speaker 1: I'll just tell some of us about this the other day,
Speaker 1: which is we did. We shot that one in the
Speaker 1: Hollywood Palladium, and I was in the back of the
Speaker 1: room watching rehearsal. And it is real. Whereas Roseanne can't
Speaker 1: hear the other jokes, performers can't hear their jokes, so
Speaker 1: they clear out the room to make sure Roseanne's not there.
Speaker 1: And I was in the back of the room during rehearsals.
Speaker 1: I think Schumer was on stage rehearsing, and I look
Speaker 1: in the back and I see a cell phone in
Speaker 1: the air, and I go back and I see and
Speaker 1: I had met Roseanne's husband through the process of thuring
Speaker 1: the roast, and he was holding up his cell phone.
Speaker 1: She was at in the hotel listening to the roast
Speaker 1: and I had to kick the guy tell the EP
Speaker 1: and of them kicked out. Um, but yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It is real. And it's also I call it the
Speaker 1: most cowardly job in Hollywood. So all you're doing is
Speaker 1: saying the meanest things you can say about somebody. Then
Speaker 1: hear you say it, you know, So you're writing the
Speaker 1: meanest things and giving it to someone else's day. I
Speaker 1: mean it's funny too, how fast those people become bit
Speaker 1: because I remember having the conversation with Roseanne, like and
Speaker 1: she wouldn't say these jokes about Amy Schumer. She's like,
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do making fun of this no
Speaker 1: name comedian. She's like, everyone's'm gonna just look like a
Speaker 1: bad person making fun of this. We know this woman's
Speaker 1: not gonna become famous, so why would I make fun
Speaker 1: of It's like, I go, I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: think she's she's doing pretty well right now. She's gonna
Speaker 1: be fine, She's getting good money for the roast. Just
Speaker 1: go for it, you know. And I remember them becoming
Speaker 1: friendly after that. But it's just a weird the ones
Speaker 1: I tend to like. I don't I love those old
Speaker 1: like Dan Martin roast, like I liked the rose An
Speaker 1: one because the Roseanne one was more than any of
Speaker 1: them that I've worked on, was the most her actual
Speaker 1: friends and Tom, even Tom Arnold came out. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw it, but um it felt like
Speaker 1: a bunch of friends rasing her, whereas a lot of
Speaker 1: nowadays are just whatever celebrity will show up, you know,
Speaker 1: like your buddy Nikkilazer wasn't was on the Bruce Willis Frost.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that was not like Bruce Willis was
Speaker 1: not like, you know, nothing against Nikki, but I don't
Speaker 1: think he was like you gotta get my old pal
Speaker 1: Nikki on the show. Is just like she's a funny comedian,
Speaker 1: can good at telling jokes, and you know they have
Speaker 1: so it's usually it's just usually just a bunch of
Speaker 1: you know, ringers, bunch of stand ups making fun of
Speaker 1: a random celebrity, which I don't like, but if it's
Speaker 1: their friends and stuff means a little. And I still
Speaker 1: were in my favorite story I nowhere. I just remember
Speaker 1: calling up. These are a cool part. So I remember
Speaker 1: calling up. I was going to write something for Carrie
Speaker 1: Fisher and she was never quite with it. If you
Speaker 1: don't remember, she was always her issues in a bit
Speaker 1: of a drug problem, to put it modelly. And I
Speaker 1: called her up talking to her about, you know, getting
Speaker 1: some background so I could write her to help write
Speaker 1: her roast and and at the and she kept said
Speaker 1: a few times she's like, I know, I know Roseanne
Speaker 1: rom somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it.
Speaker 1: What is it? And she kept asking me, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I've met her, I know I've done something
Speaker 1: with her. Then I have the phone. I am d
Speaker 1: beat her. She wrote two episodes of Roseanne. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I'm uh uh. Then I remember sometimes you have
Speaker 1: to write jokes in the hall. I remember I had
Speaker 1: write write a joke for not Seth Rogan, whose other Seth?
Speaker 1: Who has that robot chicken? Seth Green? Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: to write a joke for him at the last second.
Speaker 1: And no, it's a joke for Carrie Fisher that wrote
Speaker 1: like we needed. She doesn't have a joke about Seth Green,
Speaker 1: and it works just because she's out of it. I go,
Speaker 1: she goes, I am The joke I gave her was
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know this. I learned two things
Speaker 1: talking to Seth Green. Apparently he's a big Star Wars
Speaker 1: fan and also apparently I was in the film and
Speaker 1: then in a film called Star Wars. So it's just
Speaker 1: I like the fun, the pressure of just having to
Speaker 1: come up with something. Really, I'm not saying that's a
Speaker 1: brilliant joke, but just in the per second that I
Speaker 1: took to write it, it was pretty good. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I always love you know. Just there's a lot of
Speaker 1: similarities I think between comedy and joke writing and and songwriting.
Speaker 1: There's a lot, you know, I mean, what's the I
Speaker 1: mean there's exceptions, there's stairway and all that. There's long
Speaker 1: but the most part is like you gotta say everything
Speaker 1: you need just saying what three minutes three and a
Speaker 1: half sometimes, and I mean joke it's it's fun to
Speaker 1: figure out, you know. Then there's a rhythm to a
Speaker 1: joke too. It's like you've got one line, you know,
Speaker 1: and you gotta say something. I mean, even sitcoms are
Speaker 1: they're not with commercials and stuff. Um Actually, with my
Speaker 1: brother I scored a sitcom. Um, as my music career
Speaker 1: took on, I scored a sitcom and out on CBS
Speaker 1: last year called the Great Indoors was Joel mckel sitcom
Speaker 1: And this guy knew my music. It's like, why don't
Speaker 1: you do them? I kind of goes CBS to give
Speaker 1: me all least writers. But you know, I can't have
Speaker 1: you writing, but you can do the music for it
Speaker 1: if you want. I'm like, I can't, really, I'll bet
Speaker 1: I can't. On my own. I couldn't do it. So
Speaker 1: my brothers producer, I have him do it with me,
Speaker 1: and um, we sent them the theme song like we
Speaker 1: need it really sure the sname theme song for the
Speaker 1: show was we sent them a ten second theme song
Speaker 1: as like a sample what they like, and they actually
Speaker 1: loved the ten seconds we sent They go there are
Speaker 1: The only note is we need to seconds take it off.
Speaker 1: They needed the theme song because you and I remember
Speaker 1: probably you know cheers the song. But nowadays with commercials
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, they gotta get chopped the whole
Speaker 1: show down. So it's like it was an eight second
Speaker 1: theme song. That right the record out w W three
Speaker 1: Wheeler Walker your most wheel Walker is my father's name.
Speaker 1: I'm Weither Walker Jr. Bad And then weel a Walker.
Speaker 1: The third is now is he gonna have a music career?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna hire a kid? Have you thought about
Speaker 1: that yet? Well, there is a kid in my video.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do music, to do vulgar music? Well,
Speaker 1: i'm um, I don't think. I didn't want to take
Speaker 1: it that far. I got a lot of I went
Speaker 1: real hard after you want to put a penis on
Speaker 1: a billboard? But I went real but yeah, I went
Speaker 1: real hard after Yodel Kid and got a lot of
Speaker 1: blowback on that, And then I offered yodel Kid bucket
Speaker 1: load of money to do as for my new record,
Speaker 1: and they said no, because you know that's not the
Speaker 1: direction is career is going. Even though he's playing like fraternity,
Speaker 1: but it's getting really weird. I think the whole yottle
Speaker 1: kid thing, Um, he's not gonna be a Yoto kid anymore.
Speaker 1: Just eventually a yodel man. Yodel Man's gonna be is
Speaker 1: that's gonna be where they's gonna get interested. It's gonna be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be. Well, that's gonna be. Um, Danny Bonnet
Speaker 1: Duci territory. I think I saw you recently. Um, you
Speaker 1: and Cam Brown? Where are You're You're going to came
Speaker 1: Brown a little bit. Yeah, that's another one where like
Speaker 1: we went after each other little bit. Then I ran
Speaker 1: into him. It's something We started talking and he was
Speaker 1: a nice kid, and I just we just talked. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm not gonna lie and say
Speaker 1: I listen to his music or no could even name
Speaker 1: you a song, but like the conversation was cordial. On Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's just like actually I've talked to him before. It's
Speaker 1: like I know, I'm like there's a nice guy. I
Speaker 1: got nothing against the dude, and I think it anchors
Speaker 1: people to know that I that, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: hate some of these people. I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: they want to know. That's what I was saying about
Speaker 1: the The aggression of it is starting to bout. They
Speaker 1: they want me to hate these people. That that bad,
Speaker 1: and it's really it's it's bugging. It's bugging me and
Speaker 1: I just want to make great songs and make great
Speaker 1: music and give people a few laughs. And you know,
Speaker 1: a Wheeler holiday album next year, Well that I would
Speaker 1: say nothing. I've gotten more requests for is than a
Speaker 1: Wheeler Christmas album. But there's another touchy stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: do I want to have the biggest selling dirty Christmas
Speaker 1: album of all time? If that's even possibility to even
Speaker 1: want that, I don't know. I got thinking about it.
Speaker 1: There's only so many nasty things you could say about Christmas.
Speaker 1: That being said, I could, I'd be fine without ever
Speaker 1: hearing um where am I got run over by reindeer?
Speaker 1: Over in my life again? So there's gonna better songs
Speaker 1: than that. The money that song is made though, And
Speaker 1: that's what also upsets me too, is I mean, I
Speaker 1: go back and forth. I'm like, man, how much money
Speaker 1: would have made if it has been record selling days?
Speaker 1: But then I go, well, I would I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: had wouldn't be able to see here, do podcasts, advertise,
Speaker 1: YouTube and streaming all this stuff to what I do
Speaker 1: wouldn't be possible back then. So this will be up
Speaker 1: that we're doing this on December three. It will be
Speaker 1: up tonight. So I'm gonna rattle off a few dates
Speaker 1: to go see Wheeler December six, Cannery Ballroom in Nashville,
Speaker 1: December seven, Joe's Sports Bar in Chicago, and December eight
Speaker 1: the Rave two in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And uh, listen, I
Speaker 1: hope your record sells wonderfully to those who want to buy.
Speaker 1: At least people can check it out. I just got
Speaker 1: a number. I'm not going to read it, but I
Speaker 1: got someone sent me a number of what it's sold
Speaker 1: in the first two days on my text. Shall i'll
Speaker 1: tell you off the year. It's a hundred fifty million
Speaker 1: what I expect. Yeah, so we're gonna we'll probably do
Speaker 1: a billion sales the first week. And if if you're
Speaker 1: making all but two dollars, yeah, so yeah, I'll probably
Speaker 1: make That's what I'm saying. It's hard to lift because
Speaker 1: I'm only going to make a hunter million. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. You'll be all right, all right, Ben,
Speaker 1: Good to see Bud YouTube Man. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: I appreciate Wheelow Walker Jr. Or Ben Hoffman spend time
Speaker 1: with them? Both both interesting characters. Which one? Which one
Speaker 1: you like better? I mean, I appreciate Wheeler as much
Speaker 1: as you can appreciate, but I like I like people
Speaker 1: to like me and not appreciate me. I love the
Speaker 1: comedy of Wheeler and what it represents two people because
Speaker 1: I just enjoy comedy. But I'd rather hang out with Ben. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm with you on that. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: There is six I think to sleep number on Life
Speaker 1: Flock check down, Wheeler Walker Jr. And w W three.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. By m HM