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Speaker 1: They welcome to episode on the Bobby Cast. And and

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Speaker 1: we've had Wheeler Walker Jr. In Before, but actually Wheeler

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Speaker 1: Walker Jr. It's character Ben Hoffman, who is the first

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Speaker 1: time because you know, I talked about this. It was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: why don't you it was your idea? Actually, well my

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Speaker 1: thing is, um. I was we were talking about doing this,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, it's always weird for me to

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Speaker 1: do it with people I know, and now that I

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Speaker 1: know you, um And I'll talk about that in a

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Speaker 1: second because it's interesting to me, but it's just weird

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Speaker 1: for me to come over to your place, sit down

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Speaker 1: and talk as a as a character, as a character,

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Speaker 1: because it's the first time. We didn't really know each

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Speaker 1: other that well. Yeah, I mean the first one was

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Speaker 1: still I knew. I felt like I we'd met, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, you know, I know, it's

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Speaker 1: like the fun for me is and I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: just not as I just at the beginning, it was

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Speaker 1: just like, let's go full in. I'm just gonna do

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Speaker 1: the character. And now that we're on the third record,

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Speaker 1: which just came out, which by the way, is number

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Speaker 1: one in the iTunes Country charts, to talk to you

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Speaker 1: right now, so let's keep it up. Sorry, Dolly number two.

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Speaker 1: She'll take me down any second now, probably by the

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Speaker 1: time I get out of here, but she might actually

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Speaker 1: have you killed, not just take you down on the chart. Well,

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Speaker 1: yeah she could. I mean if she you know what

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Speaker 1: if for someone who could? Who could? Um? Who? I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't mind to see if that's the last person I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna see. I love it. Oh, I forgotten to cuss

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Speaker 1: on this, right, but let's say this first thing. If

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Speaker 1: I don't curse at all, but if if you don't

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Speaker 1: like bad words, you may want to turn this one off.

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Speaker 1: Not that we're gonna go full blue, but part of

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Speaker 1: Wheeler's characters, he's very blue. And that's all I enjoy

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Speaker 1: Wheeler because he's so blue. So um, there will be

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Speaker 1: curse words said. And if that's not your deal, we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna say it for the sake of saying it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just getting everybody heads up because mostly people

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Speaker 1: cards a little bit because there's no rules. Do you know.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what the audience is like for for Bobby

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Speaker 1: Cass the same pretty much the same as the radio. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you uh? You're talking about like

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Speaker 1: reach or no, no, no, no, I mean you can

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Speaker 1: tell me the reach. I don't care. I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: like the type of audience members more like people's six

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Speaker 1: forty eight. When I look at the data, I don't

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Speaker 1: know my data, but I gotta believe it's way different,

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Speaker 1: probably oppos I would think so two, which is why

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually funny and cool that you're on

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Speaker 1: this show and talking has been because I think people

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Speaker 1: will be not only they'll see we learned most of

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Speaker 1: them a go, well that's dumb, but because you're it's

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Speaker 1: very dude centric. Yeah, and it's it's I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: a part of me. It's something I enjoyed and I've

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Speaker 1: always loved music. I wanted to get into it, and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of something I kind of you know, created

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Speaker 1: will say I was much angrier at the time when

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Speaker 1: I first started doing it, but I've since again, like

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Speaker 1: I said, sitting here is bend is not a big

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Speaker 1: deal for me because I'm not as piste, piste off

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Speaker 1: or angry to these older women. I'll use the word

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Speaker 1: angry as I was when older, How old are you?

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Speaker 1: You're like, you're exactly I should be there, like that

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Speaker 1: should be you know, that's who Sho should be. That's exactly.

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Speaker 1: I'm forty three. I'm not a kid. I can grow

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Speaker 1: a full beard. Look on. Um and yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: it just it feels different to me now and I

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Speaker 1: not important to me? What was it? And before I

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Speaker 1: get to that, here's the funny thing to me is

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Speaker 1: that when Wheeler first existed, because I didn't know you

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Speaker 1: I came after you hard because my my thing was, Um,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell a little people about my background. I'm from Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: My mom is from nash I mean I literally passed

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Speaker 1: I just had decided that I was going to I

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Speaker 1: and I did a sketch where I because I always

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Speaker 1: that was really dirty, and he got a great reaction.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I stoet a whole album with this, and

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Speaker 1: I kind of I knew a lot of just from

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Speaker 1: my hometown, Kentucky were starting to get big, and they

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Speaker 1: introduced me to Dave Cobb, the producer who did Stapleton

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Speaker 1: and is Bell, Sturgel, lot, you know all the you know,

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Speaker 1: he's got a hand of a closet full of Grammy's now,

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Speaker 1: none of which are mine. But and we I talked.

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Speaker 1: make because what had happened is I had taken a

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Speaker 1: commercial country for so long, like I literally turned off

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Speaker 1: on it was Florida Georgian line I did. I honestly

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Speaker 1: didn't know what was happening, because you would Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: I always you know, I'm an album collector. I love

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Speaker 1: Stone magazines like like the old old ones on microfiche

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Speaker 1: and see like what they liked that week. Yeah, exactly

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Speaker 1: have to put him in, I mean, which you don't

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Speaker 1: need anymore because they have the Internet. But I would like,

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Speaker 1: know that, But I just thought it was kind of

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Speaker 1: a good metaphor. It was like it was a good

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Speaker 1: real country. You guys are fake country on the real thing.

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Speaker 1: And that's what where the whole fun of it came

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Speaker 1: to me was. And I've read a million reviews how

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Speaker 1: I'm and I get a chuckle, you know, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I had family members who are you know? And I

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Speaker 1: the good old days, and it just it just disappeared again.

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Speaker 1: You know, no personal offense, but um, it's just kind

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Speaker 1: singled you as an enemy, and then there was a

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Speaker 1: who it was, but a few different people were They're like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: but he's like, no, no, Bobby, Bobby is a UM.

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the hyperbole of Wheeler Walker, loved it. And you

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Speaker 1: this funny, And I think I replied back, like, you're right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't you shut the door? People are like cooking downstairs.

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Speaker 1: You gotta you know what's in the house. Well, this

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Speaker 1: I've been there. I don't remember teams. There's no teams,

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Speaker 1: just hanging out. Mike's the only team. So back back

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Speaker 1: before the blender jumped into our conversation, uh, I remember

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Speaker 1: just your messaging at me and making fun of me

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Speaker 1: online like, well, I did that all the time, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't. For the most I did it and I

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Speaker 1: still do it. A lot of the people I have

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Speaker 1: I have my people, that's you know. There's plenty of

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Speaker 1: first and ask questions later, which is probably probably gets

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Speaker 1: me in trouble. Well, and you know, that's what you

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Speaker 1: and what's funny and hard for me because you're actually

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Speaker 1: But I see you come after my friends too, and

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Speaker 1: help him with this song? Was like all right, and

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00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 1: we started working on it was the the bit was

428
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,120
Speaker 1: and I'm not being they were good, it just wasn't

429
00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,760
Speaker 1: that funny a bit. It was a bit about how

430
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,359
Speaker 1: like there's never been a country hit out of England,

431
00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,119
Speaker 1: so they're gonna write an English country hit for James.

432
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,200
Speaker 1: And we started hanging out and like working on this sketch.

433
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 1: And then midway through I was like, oh, I know

434
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:25,719
Speaker 1: your agent Ja, and they're like and they both look

435
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,000
Speaker 1: at each other like you know j reps comedy writers,

436
00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,520
Speaker 1: and I was like you, no, No, I do some

437
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 1: country this My album has been out for a few

438
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,080
Speaker 1: weeks and I was like, no, I do some comedy.

439
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 1: I do some country music on the side. That's like

440
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,360
Speaker 1: a side thing like oh, what's your what's the what's

441
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,159
Speaker 1: the side thing on called It's Wheeler Walker Jr. I

442
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 1: saw their eyes light up and everyone was like your

443
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,639
Speaker 1: wheeler Wheeler Walker Jr. And I I didn't know it

444
00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,919
Speaker 1: had reached to that, you know, the guys at the

445
00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,040
Speaker 1: top of the church. I had no idea. And then

446
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,200
Speaker 1: I got a text from Jay who was talking about

447
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,159
Speaker 1: like Luke and Dirks can't believe that they're working with you.

448
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, We're who's who's telling people about this album

449
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,399
Speaker 1: we're to coming from. You know, I just had no idea,

450
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,639
Speaker 1: so I just kind of it just kind of word

451
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 1: spreads to this day. I mean, that album we'll probably sell.

452
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean that's an independent album, just from word of mouth. Obviously,

453
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 1: no radio playing, the videos, know nothing. It'll it'll it's

454
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 1: getting near a couple of hundred thousand albums. That's how

455
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 1: I heard about it was Eddie, my producer, comes in

456
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 1: and goes, do you know this Wheeler guy? That was

457
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 1: like I didn't at the time, and I was like,

458
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't. He goes, listen to this song. That's something

459
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 1: that beating off beat off. Yeah, probably better off beating off.

460
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,479
Speaker 1: That's what I was. And he played it and I

461
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: was like, that's what And we had put out, um

462
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 1: like a raging idiot's record at the same time. I

463
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,360
Speaker 1: remember going after that and they you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

464
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: because it was it was ahead of me on some

465
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: kind of all. I was looking at the charts a bunch,

466
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: because when you're a comedy writer, you're just like half

467
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: your job is looking at the Internet. The other I

468
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: mean a lot of it. The internet looking is if

469
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: you're comedian, you're looking at yourself you know, how's my

470
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 1: stand up? Because I did never have never were done

471
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,880
Speaker 1: stand up to this day. It was never interested in it.

472
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: And people, you know, everyone's googling themselves, others, tickets song,

473
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: so I would just be on iTunes or you know,

474
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: googling Wheeler Walker Jr. Seeing what's going on. So I

475
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 1: was just like checking it all. There was a story

476
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 1: they did about both I remember now the Watchington posted

477
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: a story about comedy country. Yeah, no, you know what

478
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 1: this is? New York Times? Is that what it was?

479
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: I remember that just like someone called me like like

480
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 1: I said back to a publicist, like the New York

481
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 1: Times wants to talk to you. I was like, what

482
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: the hell heck is this about? And then we were

483
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: in the same arm and then Edie goes, you hear

484
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: this beating off song? And I listened when we started

485
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 1: sitting in the studio playing your music, and the problem

486
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 1: was when you're in the studio, if that accidentally goes

487
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: over the airwaves. I've already been fined a million dollars

488
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 1: by the FCC. I'm really yeah. When when you get

489
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: those and I have to feel like I've asked you

490
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: this before, When you get those fines, who do you

491
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: actually have to pay it? So I didn't have to

492
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 1: pay it because my company said we'll take the hit

493
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 1: for you. I would have had to pay it if

494
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 1: they would have wanted me to pay it. They can,

495
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: they can force you to pay well, I mean I

496
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: did it. So it was a whole thing too. But

497
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: my company took took all of it, and I think

498
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: in the end they split it up over a few years.

499
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: But no, they came at me. Um, but it was

500
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: it was so it was an accident. But I was

501
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: already find a million bucks. And once that happened, I

502
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: think there's only three of us have ever been find

503
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: that much, Stern being another one. He's been finding multiple times. Um,

504
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 1: So I got fined and we were playing this in

505
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: the studio and what did you get fined? Do you

506
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: remember one of the ones you're gonna find for I

507
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 1: gotta find one time for one million dollars? What was

508
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: that for? Playing? So here's the story is. I was

509
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: on the air in Dallas, uh, doing my show from Dallas,

510
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: and the World Series was happening, and in the DC

511
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: market which my show is on, they cut in right

512
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: at a home run and played the E A. S.

513
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: Testing signal, so it's like three to pitch uh and

514
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: then here down you didn't see the home run that

515
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 1: actually changed the game the course of the game. And

516
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: so it was like a thirty second deal where I

517
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: was just kind of re enacting huge life moments and

518
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, here comes the head in the

519
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: A S. Like you're having a baby, like big things

520
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: in life. And instead of actually that moment happening, I

521
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: puy the E. S tone um because it was a

522
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: big part of the world series, actually one, the whole whole,

523
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,640
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I think I know anything about it

524
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: that the tone that we had taken from the Internet

525
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 1: was the old presidential E A S tone somehow they

526
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: put on the internet. And so when I played it,

527
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: it triggered off E A S alerts in all these

528
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: other cities like that, you know, the old world War

529
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: of the world, so exactly what it was. And so

530
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: it was like Atlanta shut down, Detroit shutdown, and not

531
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: only that A T you were shut down the entire

532
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: TV system. And so what happens when that thing goes off,

533
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: It turns to like Channel five and it's like you're

534
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 1: now on Channel five waiting for the whatever the either

535
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: this is a test of the emergency broadcast system or

536
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: everyone series. I remember being on a lot of TV

537
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: shows where there's certain things you can't you know, you

538
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: can't have a like a like an ambiance alarm too

539
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: loud that makes that people think there's actually an ambulance

540
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: or anything in that kind of so, but we that

541
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: tone hadn't been updated supposedly in a lot of these systems.

542
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: So what happens was they triggered because one triggers another,

543
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: so they all go off and shut down multiple cities

544
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 1: to shut down an entire television service accidentally, like there

545
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,239
Speaker 1: was nothing malicious. I didn't even know I did it. Well,

546
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 1: if you knew, I mean, my guess is you probably

547
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: got enough um publicity from it that it was probably

548
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: not worth it. But you you know, I didn't really

549
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: give I couldn't talk about it. It was so legal,

550
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, when you're in the middle of a court case.

551
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 1: Did did it make news? Though it made news that

552
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: I was the traditional country radio community and country community

553
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: and talent. My first three or four years was a

554
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: nightmare because they hated me because I stood for not

555
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: I didn't even stand for things that just was me,

556
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: and so anytime I would get in trouble, they would

557
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: just really hyper focus on it. Did you take it

558
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: over for nobody? Now? What happened was Jerry House was

559
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: on in Nashville, he retired, they put on another show.

560
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: The other show failed old move them off and they

561
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: really weren't going to do a nationally. But Jerry House

562
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: was the guy was on forever right, Yes, yeah, that's

563
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: the guy who when I mentioned I was doing this show,

564
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: my uncle was like, oh, is that the same station?

565
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: You know? Is that Jerry Alice? I'm like, no, I'm

566
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: not going to Jerry. Years before me, Jerry House was on.

567
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: So but anyway, I got fine million bucks by the

568
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: SEC because of what had happened with all those eyes

569
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: alerts which can't can't do that? Is that was that Mike?

570
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: Did you grab that sound? Did not know? Let's play

571
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: it now what happens? Okay, so yeah that happened. Um

572
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: My point was we couldn't play with the studio because

573
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: if it was to go over the air through a

574
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: microphone that happened to be on that's another fine exactly. Yeah,

575
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: I mean once you get the first one, I guess,

576
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: but do everything about doing an edited record, so that

577
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: could happen or was that against what Wheeler stood from? No,

578
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: it was against what he what he and I stood for,

579
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: which is my thing was always like, you want to

580
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: play my songs, go edit them yourselves, because I just

581
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: don't want to. It's kind of like I said, it's

582
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: kind of how I felt at the time. I think

583
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: I just, um, I just had a show canceled. I

584
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: was kind of I was a Kentucky boy. He wasn't

585
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: happy about being in Los Angeles period, and also being unemployed,

586
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: and you know it's like, let's just be rowdy and

587
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: and make everyone angry. You know, That's kind of how

588
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: I felt. I really, I mean I really didn't care. Um,

589
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: it's weird now doing Wheeler. That's why I made this

590
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: the new records is he's married, as his son a kid,

591
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: because I wanted to make a to see what a

592
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: happy Wheeler would sound like. And he's still just as

593
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: angry as he always was. But so it's what w

594
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: W three Yeah, as in Weil Walking three, also World

595
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: War three. Yeah, the name after after my son, Wheeler

596
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: Walker the third. But you know, like I I thought

597
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: w W three would be a good title, just because

598
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: first of all, what World War three could be happening

599
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: as we as we speak right now, but also putting

600
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: out my albums as always, he is always tough. You know.

601
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: Any guilt for going after some of these people, they're

602
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: probably good people. Does Benfield guilt? Um? I'm trying to

603
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: think who I have felt guilt for and if any

604
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: of them come back and said please stop, like oh yeah, yeah,

605
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: I've had some big the big artists you know, come

606
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: reach out through management agents whatever, Can you leave me alone?

607
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, Well, it's just I was just

608
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: always were a very shy person, as you know, like

609
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: I would go down you know, um, and it just

610
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: felt it was really liberating to just tell people to

611
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: f off to their face. It's just really cool. And

612
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: then I, um, I would probably feel, you know, I

613
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: would get you know, so and so is you know,

614
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: really really angry about what you said about I'm just

615
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: like we'll tell them to like the character would get

616
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: into Ben and I and I actually, you know, I

617
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: would go to meetings in Hollywood and trying to you know,

618
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: work on TV shows. I literally have agents, managers, you know,

619
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: throw a little wheeler into this meeting, you know, let

620
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: him know, you know, because I would go in so

621
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: timid before, and it's kind of help, you know, turn

622
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: up to like I would literally heard the phrase you

623
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: maybe do a half wheeler at this Netflix meeting and

624
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: see what you can get out of it, because when

625
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just too. La is a tough place for

626
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: like a shy, you know, timid, small town kid, you know.

627
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: So it's helped me in that respect too, I think.

628
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: So with a new record, what's the you have a single? Yeah,

629
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: it's not. It's just the order you know what's I sell.

630
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: It's not singles. It's just the order of things, the

631
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: songs that we decided about, the songs out But what's

632
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: the song? If there if comedy radio, if if satellite,

633
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: it was like, we gotta play a song. Well the

634
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: one people I think Outlaw Country has been playing. Um yeah,

635
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: they've been play because that that album the first time

636
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: especially was really good for Outlaw Outlaw Country station on Sirius.

637
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: It was a song they loved, Um, they loved say

638
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: some Titty Milk for Me, which is a song to

639
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: my obviously wife and sons, Some Titty Milk for Me,

640
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: which is actually I was talking to a buddy of mine, who,

641
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: like I said, all this stuff comes from real stuff.

642
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: He's like, have you ever tasted breast milk? And I'm

643
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: like I'm like, of course not. He's like, you know, oh,

644
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: here we go. See sounds like country mansb lap two

645
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: years never just like I love you, but I'm just

646
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: when you go into a right, okay, And you wrote

647
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: with some really great writers, yeah I do. I do

648
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: most of the majority still on my own. The first

649
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: album was eleven so right, so I didn't know what

650
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: co writing was. You know, I've never been in a

651
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: writer's room. Uh, certainly. I mean I was used to,

652
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, comedy writers rooms are eleven people. I didn't

653
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: even know they had co writers. I mean I knew

654
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: Lennon McCartney and that kind of stuff. I didn't know

655
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: that like especially countries, you know, co writes have like, um,

656
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's a big thing, and uh you know,

657
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: you know in Nashville, I didn't know you were allowed

658
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: to do that. So I just wear every so on

659
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: with myself. That's what you had to do. By the

660
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: second album is when I started getting calls some of

661
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: the big writers, you know, like I want to write

662
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: a song if you like, it can only make it better.

663
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: Why not try it? You know? Do you like that

664
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: process of writing with songwriters? I do, but I also

665
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 1: like doing it by my I mean I I've had

666
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: some great experiences and I've had some you know, Um,

667
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: I met a lot of cool people, you know, I

668
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 1: think like a lot of them, guys won't put their

669
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: names on the albums. And I'll tell you off the

670
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: hear I just won't say it on the air, but

671
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: there's a one song on my new album, one of

672
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: my favorite songs. One of the co writers is a guy,

673
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: you know, a huge guy who you play all the time,

674
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: and he just you know, and I don't want to

675
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: get him in trouble, but you know, those guys call

676
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: and now I get called, and I've gotten calls you

677
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: know to like you know, for guys on their albums.

678
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: You know, we want that Wheeler sound, you know, can

679
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: you come in and write with me? And that's that's

680
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: the tough ones for me, which is like, you know,

681
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: just like you know you just said, you know, you

682
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: know grit, there's like I can I got good word

683
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: to rhyme with that? You no, no, we can't use this,

684
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, you know this is for the radio, and

685
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, so I gotta kind of hold

686
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: myself back. And it's just I have respect for those

687
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: guys who can sit in that room and be that

688
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: kind of vulnerable and kind of real with other people.

689
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: Just seems weird to me. You know, the records out

690
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: and there's nothing that's completely clean that you could play

691
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: on that I could play no, And I thought about it,

692
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, um, not completely clean because a lot of

693
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: a lot of songs have cursing in them or references.

694
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: But you know, Wheelers over the pretty over the top.

695
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: It's over the top end Like I also too, there's

696
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't want. I didn't want to be on any

697
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: like I don't like the things that I would get

698
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: me for example, radio play and doing a radio to

699
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: I have a lot of you know, I've made a

700
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: lot of good friends in country music. I'll tell you

701
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: that that's been the highlight for me. Um and spending

702
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: a lot of time in Nashville, which is basically you know,

703
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: home for me has been more of my favorite things.

704
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: But the other like I don't want to go on

705
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: the late night shows. I actually, I mean, I've had

706
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: after the second an album, I had two big talk shows,

707
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: say give us a clean song, and when you come

708
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: on our show, I'm just and then the part of

709
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: me that's just like I won't listen to and it's

710
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: that's part of actually who I am. I don't know

711
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: where I get that. I think you have a little

712
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: bit of that too, which is like, whatever you tell

713
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: me to do, I'm not gonna you know, if that's

714
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: not I'm supposed to do, I don't want to do

715
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: it exactly. It's like, oh, so a clean song will

716
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: get me on you know, NBC at whatever time. I

717
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: don't want it, even though deep inside I probably did,

718
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: but it just my immediate reaction is I don't want that. So,

719
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, those opportunities are there, and I don't want

720
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: to fly out to l A or to New York

721
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: and do three minutes on a late night show. I

722
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: also don't think it really helps. But I don't think

723
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: now it helps near even as much as I did

724
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: three years ago. I don't think it helps it. I

725
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: mean those those because again I've worked in late night

726
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: and those those ratings we got, it's just you know,

727
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: we're so so. I mean, I I mainly do you know,

728
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: podcasts out my my, my press tours, going to l

729
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: A for five of days and do a bunch of

730
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: podcasts and those things. I mean, you know, the numbers

731
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: on these big podcasts, those are you know, millions and

732
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: millions of people. I mean this one here does seven

733
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: digits seven yeah, so and people underestimate how valuable a

734
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: podcast is. Well that was a big thing too, because

735
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: I knew Joe Rogan from going on his show. I

736
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: knew him a little bit around town. I knew him

737
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: from him from UM. I had gone on his show

738
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: to promote the Ben Show, and then I was like,

739
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: why don't I come in and promote my this record

740
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: I put out? And then right before we went on,

741
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: there was like, why don't you just do it as Wheeler?

742
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: Be more fun? And even though he knew Ben, and

743
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: then I get like, mam went back up the charts

744
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: and I still remember, um, somebody tell me that Margot

745
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: Price had done SNL that week and I sold more

746
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: records from Rogan, Like Joe Rogans literally has bigger numbers

747
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: on his podcast. On his podcast, and I'm starting to

748
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: night live like a big night of SNL is low

749
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: numbers for Joe Rogan, which is crazy to think that

750
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: you could. You know, the way people consume media is

751
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: just so much different. Again too, I don't know if

752
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: my album will be in the running to be near

753
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: the top of the charts this time, but the numbers,

754
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: certainly slow weeks in country music, you could have a

755
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: number one record with I don't know how many albums sold.

756
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: Certainly ten to fifteen thousand wouldn't be crazy, no, And

757
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: you know it's funny the slow week which is what

758
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: where we targeted, and we had the number one comedy

759
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: record and then we had the number four country record

760
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: with the record we just goofed off. We were not

761
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say g gooped doped. You know, it's not

762
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: what these guys do like. Their life is making a record. Um,

763
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,319
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Speaker 1: we have the third record out is what does weed

789
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: a live past this? I gotta see I have some

790
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: awesome talks now of a possible. Um, a couple of

791
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: possible concert specials, but I'm not sure. I have mixed

792
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: feelings on them. We'll see where that goes. But yeah,

793
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know because we'll talk about a second.

794
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: I've got some other stuff, bruins, so we've got to see. Um,

795
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I just don't. I love playing

796
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: music too much. I don't know how it can be there.

797
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: And I also don't want to do a bend album,

798
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,120
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799
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: shave it? Or do you have to leave the full

800
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,359
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801
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,759
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00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,880
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00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,040
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804
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,160
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805
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Speaker 1: They did the whole commercial. You aren't even listening. Oh

806
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807
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,000
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808
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809
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: just curious. What's life loss? So, for example, people have

810
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: tried to open up bank accounts of my name or

811
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,000
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812
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814
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Speaker 1: partnership with them. Yeah, no, I'm I'll look into that. Yeah,

815
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't want people. I don't want people using my

816
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: name too, because once it gets out there, people can

817
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: try to jack all kinds of stuff, including your your name. Yeah,

818
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: well yeah, I don't want that, um, especially now thanks

819
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: to you, people are gonna know my real name. Um people.

820
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: And it was funny to be when people would not

821
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: to completely change the stuff to here, but you would

822
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: say something as we other people get pissed off and

823
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: they'd be like, hey, listen, we know you're really been

824
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: and it's like, of course it takes one google. That's

825
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: what that's I would say, if everything that makes me

826
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: angry about this whole thing, that's what makes me the

827
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: most angries, Like, man, you tricked me, and that's what

828
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: which just had nothing to do. Like they would go, listen,

829
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: you're just some dude from New York who's trying to

830
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: trick us. It's like, no, I'm from you know, I

831
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: grew up in Kentucky. My family's all from Nashville. I

832
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: was like, I grew up with this music. I love

833
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: this music, and trying to trick people was the was

834
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted to do. I didn't want

835
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: nothing to do with it. It's just I wanted to Honestly,

836
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make music and I wanted to

837
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: do it. I think the Ben Show was so because

838
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: of the let me know if I'm going too off topic,

839
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: but the Bench Show because of the lead reasons, had

840
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: to be called the Ben Show with Ben Hoffman to separate,

841
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, like they do The Daily Show with John Stewart,

842
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: We're not Trevor Noah, so they you know, the Daily

843
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: Show name was I think taken, so they're like multiple take.

844
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Someone had copyrighted. So the Daily Show with John Stewart's

845
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: not taken, so do that. So my show was the

846
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: Ben Show with Ben Hoffman. All the billboards, posters, everything

847
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: was my face going on Kimmel, going on con and

848
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I just gotten really sick of of

849
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: me and being banned. I was like, why don't just

850
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: be someone else for a couple of years. See how

851
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: it goes and like I said, it took off in

852
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: a way I didn't expect. But um, that was kind

853
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: of That was my reasoning for it. Had nothing to

854
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: do with like, oh man, I'm gonna trick all these

855
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: country fans. I mean, it's still good. I mean people

856
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: still when people are at the shows, they're not sitting

857
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: down laughing, They're they're up there and they're you know,

858
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: they're loving the music. So when people really believe Wheeler

859
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: is real and they message, you're like, oh, like this

860
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: is the real deal, like you are the real there

861
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 1: and they really mean it sincerely. How do you feel

862
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: about that? Well? So, I mean, like, for example, while

863
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: I was backstage, I was did I opened a tour

864
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: for kid Rock and I was backstage and Guy Fieri

865
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: wanted to make me real bad and I introduced myself

866
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: as Bend. He's like, what the hell are you talking about?

867
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: Don't I'm not really His real name is Guy Fiery,

868
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: He's got he pronounced it Fieri or something like that.

869
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, and he said to me, it's like

870
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: telling me saying I ain't real, and I'm like, and

871
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: it made me think, like what, well, sorry, Guy Fiery.

872
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: But I'm like, but I'm thinking my head, like, what's

873
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: the different mean? Does the songs change, the music change?

874
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: You know? Another thing too is you know these country stars,

875
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: half of them aren't using their real name. This outlawing

876
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: like a cowboy head is not a practical thing to

877
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: wear on it's on a stage. These out you know,

878
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: cowboy boots have no use while you're playing guitar. Like,

879
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: it's all in that, it's all showbiz, it's all in act.

880
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: So in that respect, I feel like I'm not really

881
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: doing anything different. Certainly the content is different than what

882
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: most people do, but it's something that makes me giggle

883
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: or something that I get enjoyment from. But it has

884
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: nothing to do with um, none of zero percent of

885
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: what I was trying to do was like some kind

886
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: of jackass style prank or something. So that really and

887
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: then like you said, we know your name is really

888
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: really Ben Hoffman, I'm like, oh really, sure, Lot Holmes,

889
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: you got Google. You know, it's like because Wikipedia doesn't

890
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: even have a because I've tried a multiple time to

891
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: change give Wheeler his own Wikipedia page and they refused

892
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: to do it. Wikipedia pages, Ben Hoffman, So it's not

893
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: that I mean nothing could be easier to do, so

894
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: talk about that Netflix that anyway. Yeah, so that's kind

895
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: of why I think you were asking about what happened now,

896
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: because I just I have a I gotta spend next

897
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: year in Los Angeles. I sold an animated TV show

898
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: which had been a passion of mine for a while,

899
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: to um that I created about a high school basketball

900
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: coach in Kentucky, and it's gonna I have to spend

901
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: all of two thousand nineteen, it sounds like to me

902
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: doing that show. So, um, it's a great I'll tell

903
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: you what, It's a great problem to have is to

904
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: have to to have to take time off this to

905
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: do it, to to run your own television show. It's

906
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a blast. And I mean, no one's

907
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: gonna remember because I don't think because animation takes a

908
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: long probably won't come out NTI that's my next year.

909
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a break for me, you know. Um.

910
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at both both your books by well

911
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: you have people still even you run and keep Wheeler

912
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: alive a little bit at least. So well, that's that's

913
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to figure out, is how much because

914
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: I kind of liked the idea. I put out three

915
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: albums pretty fast because I write pretty fast and do

916
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: the records pretty fast. But I would like for people

917
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: to forget not I mean, I feel like, I mean

918
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: the old days, you know, Elbon would put out Elton

919
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: John put on an album every year, and nowadays, like

920
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: YouTube spent six years between records. And my thing was,

921
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: if I'm doing this, I'm going on record a year,

922
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: record a year. And I did three records and three years,

923
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: and it took everything I had to make these records.

924
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: And I'm really proud of him, but it's just I

925
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: think people need I think what he kind of represents

926
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: for people, I think people just need to break from

927
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: right now, is my personal opinion. Yeah, that's true too.

928
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: I can see now there's there's so much of that

929
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: just aggression to where I can see what people will

930
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: go it's adding to it. Yeah, I feel like I'm

931
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: on the on the wrong side of it. There's certainly

932
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: issues and I'm not an aggressive person, and there's there's

933
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: an aggression to it that just kind of naturally comes out.

934
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: But I don't make the albums in an aggressive way,

935
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, like um, like you were like you were

936
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: saying that one time before better Off beating off? That

937
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: to me is just silly, silly, like why go out tonight,

938
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm not getting a girl anyway. Why not just stay

939
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: home and beat off? Whereas people will other people see

940
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: the songs like yeah, man, screw girls just beating off

941
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: better Man, it's like it's like some kind of male

942
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: empowerment song, which you know, but that happens with all

943
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: comedy you do or any song anyway, you know, um,

944
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, okay from a Skokie. You know, it's not

945
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: that's he was not like you know, that was not literal,

946
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: as he explained how to explain years later. But you

947
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: don't complain about the time when you got to hit

948
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: with it, you know, yeah, when it's paying the bills.

949
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: Did you make money if you make money off Wheeler? Yeah, yeah,

950
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: like enough to survive and like yeah, I mean I had.

951
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: I took a three year hiatus from Hollywood and been fine. Um,

952
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: mainly because I would say the biggest reason is because

953
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: I put out I have a distributor, but I put

954
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: out my albums myself, and you know, I make all

955
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: but a couple of bucks on every album sold, which

956
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: now everyone's gonna think because I said I sold a

957
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: few hundred thousand records and I have that much money.

958
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: I don't have that much money. Still gotta pay for

959
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: the records, as you know, going on tours, expand like

960
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Yeah, I mean it's just like, yeah,

961
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: you gotta pay them, ever pay them and apparently they

962
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: gotta eat and hotel. It's just like it's just too much,

963
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: you know. That's what I was psyched about the show.

964
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: It's just like they're telling me, like, you know, my

965
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: people are negotiating the deal. It's like, wait a second,

966
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: so this is just my money, Like how do I

967
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: pay the band? It's like there's no band, there's no

968
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: nothing anymore. It's like because usually I'll see a number

969
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: in the band, the hotel, manager, agent, lawyer, everything, you know,

970
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: it's like I don't even know what numbers me anymore.

971
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: Just like take a tenth of it. You know. I

972
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: did a whole podcast, only do a whole podcast once

973
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: where I broke down how much money, Like if I'm

974
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: paid a dollar, I think I make thirty eight cents.

975
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: That sounds that actually sounds pretty good. Yeah, and um yeah,

976
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: And that's mostly so when you see these these numbers

977
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: that are inflated, and I'll use a very inflated. I

978
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: use a dollar because it's just simple to hear. But

979
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: like Luke Bryan sixty five million dollars. Now listen, he's

980
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: not going broke, but he's not really making six five

981
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: million bucks, probably making not twenty Now listen, he's still

982
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: got Luke Brian money. But you know all those numbers.

983
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: It's like these guys, the Battery Boys or somebody who

984
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: doesn't pay their taxes. Right. What happens is I talked

985
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: about this on my show sometimes, So how do people

986
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: not pay their taxes? Well, when you get paid as

987
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: like an independent contract goes to something else about the

988
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: backstree boys, imagine that Luke Bryan money were talking about

989
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: divided by five to well and even that, Like I

990
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: have a job, and I've had jobs that have taken

991
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: my taxes out, but now I have jobs that don't

992
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: and not only have to pay the taxes myself, to

993
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: pay my manager, my agent. But what happens with some

994
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: of these folks whenever they get in tax trouble is

995
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: that you just get a paycheck and you have to

996
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: figure it out like yourself, meaning who you pay taxes.

997
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: That was my thing to I was like, I don't

998
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: forge someone told me I need a business mansors like,

999
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: I don't need a business manaors just pay the guys.

1000
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: So then they go, well, you know, when you play Indiana,

1001
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: you gotta pay the band and and pay Indiana tax

1002
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like what I was like, I wouldn't even

1003
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: know how to do that. That's where they get not

1004
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 1: that I'm not saying, you know, it's not a libel job,

1005
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: but it's just it's just like, of course that's you

1006
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: need a business, How would you ever know how to

1007
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: do that? You know, you're just gonna get, you know,

1008
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: So the amount of work it takes, I mean it takes.

1009
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: I mean that that would happen to me all the

1010
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: time with my writing checks. I'm just like, oh awesome.

1011
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: You know I'm seeing these big numbers. First of all,

1012
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: California taxes take out a third already, and then ten

1013
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: percent manager ten percent while you're alreadyking. Mean, I've never

1014
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: gotten more than half of paycheck in my life. Um,

1015
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: because it's it's been creative. You've done creating. Yeah, well,

1016
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean when I was a farmhand, I got the

1017
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: whole check to myself. But but that six bucks an

1018
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: hour didn't really mean anything. But um, as I've been

1019
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: an adult and done creative stuff, they always mean they'll

1020
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: get you with you know, I guess what they're paying

1021
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: you per week on this TV show to right, like,

1022
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: oh no way, and they forget to tell you the

1023
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: part word and I forget to subtract you know, two

1024
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: thirds of it. How funny's Norm McDonald because you wrote

1025
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: for Norm McDonald, Um, I think he's the To me,

1026
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: he's the funniest person I've ever met and the funniest

1027
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: guy I've ever written for. And also to this day,

1028
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: the like the most and I think all comedians feel this,

1029
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: but the most anyone who's written form certainly is the

1030
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: most joy I get writing a joke that he says

1031
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: most A lot of shows all right for people. Um,

1032
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: and I still do write, like I wrote on the

1033
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: wrote on the Who's the Last Know? Bruce Willis roast

1034
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: was just recently I'm like, I can't do it. I'm

1035
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: in Nashville and they're just like, we'll just do it

1036
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: from so I wrote that was where life just gets

1037
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: a little too heckty and I can't do it all.

1038
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: You know, people don't know between tours or on a

1039
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: day off Wheelers, right, and you know for to me

1040
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: more on the Bruce Willis Rose. But but um, going

1041
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: back to Norm. But he's he's just kind of he's

1042
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: the like the ultimate comedians comedian. Everyone wants Norm's approval everyone,

1043
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, there was so much competitiveness on that show.

1044
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: Everyone wanted you all, everyone wanted Norm to read their joke,

1045
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of times the monologue. You know,

1046
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: you think about it if there's sometimes there's only ten

1047
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: or fifteen jokes a long monologue, you know, so that's

1048
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: you know, the percentages of how many, Like getting two

1049
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: jokes in a week is a huge accomplishment, that's huge. Um,

1050
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: but you're sitting around. He's also the smartest guy I

1051
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: ever met too. Did you want you watch the Netflix

1052
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: Netflix show? That was great? I don't. I don't know

1053
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: if it's coming back. I haven't talked to him a

1054
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: little while, but I'm a huge Norm fan. Yeah. Well

1055
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: he I mean he is everything you want. I mean,

1056
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: that's what I that's what I love. My favorite performers

1057
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: for framers, famous like entertainers is you meet them, that's

1058
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, like you meet Norm, he's funnier

1059
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: that he's just just you're the guy off the screen

1060
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: comes out and you're just hanging out with him. Um,

1061
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: maybe a bad segue, but the same thing guy Fieri.

1062
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking to him. He grabs the food with his

1063
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: fingers like eats it like street like he like he's

1064
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: not doing a character. That's the guy Fiery. You know.

1065
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: I like those genuine guys the most, which is the

1066
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 1: opposite of what I do. So it's kind of weird.

1067
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: But have you met because I know you're on the

1068
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: wrap up show on Stern? Have you met Stern? I've

1069
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: not met Stern. No, Um, I met everyone kind of

1070
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: around him. But he's another one, you know on my

1071
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: top people i'd love to meet. I'm a massive Stern fan.

1072
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't be able to do what I do

1073
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: without him doing what he did and does. Yeah, I

1074
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: think that's the part of you. I didn't know was

1075
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: that I now understand you know what you love about

1076
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: sterning it. At the time, I was just like, you know,

1077
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: I think radio DJs have a bad rap something for

1078
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: good reasons, just like it just thought of it was was like,

1079
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, exactly. Yeah, and anyone who just kind

1080
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: of messes with the system at all, and you know,

1081
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm into you know, like those billboards you did that

1082
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: that was wild ago four years ago. Yeah, I put

1083
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: out billboards. If you're not knowing that, I bought billboards secretly,

1084
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: didn't tell anyone, didn't e tell my company, and they

1085
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: said go away, Bobby Bones, And it was the whole thing.

1086
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: I hit it until I wrote my book. Yeah, I didn't.

1087
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know. That's what I mean, Like, that's the

1088
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: kind of stuff I like, you know, actually was gonna buy.

1089
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: We're in talks to buy a billboard across from the

1090
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,760
Speaker 1: c M as you know on Bridgestone for my new record.

1091
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: And I hired all these people to figure out how

1092
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, those like things you squint at and then

1093
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: you see an immage. I was a squint one where

1094
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: it would be an ad for my album. Then you

1095
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: squint it would be like fatlex, you know, like there'll

1096
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: be a giant penis across the street bridge bridge stone

1097
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: that no one would be able to see until they squinted.

1098
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: And then when they found out what I wanted was

1099
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: the c m AS footage to be a bunch of

1100
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: construction guys taking the the billboard down, but we couldn't

1101
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: get a guy to do it right. Yeah. I don't

1102
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: know there's a huge market for squinny billboard. But but

1103
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: my thing was I wanted to be up for a

1104
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: while and then I would spread the news and everyone

1105
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: in nashvillood knows, like look at that billboard and then

1106
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: squint there it is, you know. But it couldn't get right. Ah,

1107
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: So you did, Norm, you did. Uh. I was gonna

1108
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: ask about Stern. You haven't. You haven't met Stern, but

1109
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: you did the wrap up show. I'm a big fan. Um,

1110
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: you did the roast. The roast are interesting to me.

1111
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: We've talked about this and socially you and I were

1112
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 1: when you write the roast for some of those people,

1113
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: like you were just write a bunch of jokes and

1114
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: you just put them in like a binder. Yeah, we

1115
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: just used right. It's like, I mean I remember writing, um,

1116
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: the Roseanne roast and Um, I would spend I spent

1117
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: a little time with her, super nice woman. UM couldn't

1118
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: have been nicer. Um, and you just right, it is real.

1119
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: I mean I will say that, I mean I remember,

1120
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: I'll just tell some of us about this the other day,

1121
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: which is we did. We shot that one in the

1122
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: Hollywood Palladium, and I was in the back of the

1123
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: room watching rehearsal. And it is real. Whereas Roseanne can't

1124
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: hear the other jokes, performers can't hear their jokes, so

1125
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: they clear out the room to make sure Roseanne's not there.

1126
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: And I was in the back of the room during rehearsals.

1127
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: I think Schumer was on stage rehearsing, and I look

1128
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: in the back and I see a cell phone in

1129
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: the air, and I go back and I see and

1130
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: I had met Roseanne's husband through the process of thuring

1131
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: the roast, and he was holding up his cell phone.

1132
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: She was at in the hotel listening to the roast

1133
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: and I had to kick the guy tell the EP

1134
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: and of them kicked out. Um, but yeah, it is.

1135
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: It is real. And it's also I call it the

1136
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: most cowardly job in Hollywood. So all you're doing is

1137
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: saying the meanest things you can say about somebody. Then

1138
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: hear you say it, you know, So you're writing the

1139
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: meanest things and giving it to someone else's day. I

1140
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: mean it's funny too, how fast those people become bit

1141
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: because I remember having the conversation with Roseanne, like and

1142
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: she wouldn't say these jokes about Amy Schumer. She's like,

1143
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do making fun of this no

1144
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: name comedian. She's like, everyone's'm gonna just look like a

1145
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: bad person making fun of this. We know this woman's

1146
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: not gonna become famous, so why would I make fun

1147
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: of It's like, I go, I think, you know, I

1148
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: think she's she's doing pretty well right now. She's gonna

1149
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: be fine, She's getting good money for the roast. Just

1150
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: go for it, you know. And I remember them becoming

1151
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: friendly after that. But it's just a weird the ones

1152
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: I tend to like. I don't I love those old

1153
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: like Dan Martin roast, like I liked the rose An

1154
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: one because the Roseanne one was more than any of

1155
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: them that I've worked on, was the most her actual

1156
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: friends and Tom, even Tom Arnold came out. I don't

1157
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: know if you saw it, but um it felt like

1158
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of friends rasing her, whereas a lot of

1159
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: nowadays are just whatever celebrity will show up, you know,

1160
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: like your buddy Nikkilazer wasn't was on the Bruce Willis Frost.

1161
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that was not like Bruce Willis was

1162
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: not like, you know, nothing against Nikki, but I don't

1163
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: think he was like you gotta get my old pal

1164
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: Nikki on the show. Is just like she's a funny comedian,

1165
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: can good at telling jokes, and you know they have

1166
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: so it's usually it's just usually just a bunch of

1167
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: you know, ringers, bunch of stand ups making fun of

1168
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: a random celebrity, which I don't like, but if it's

1169
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 1: their friends and stuff means a little. And I still

1170
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 1: were in my favorite story I nowhere. I just remember

1171
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: calling up. These are a cool part. So I remember

1172
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: calling up. I was going to write something for Carrie

1173
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: Fisher and she was never quite with it. If you

1174
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: don't remember, she was always her issues in a bit

1175
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: of a drug problem, to put it modelly. And I

1176
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: called her up talking to her about, you know, getting

1177
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: some background so I could write her to help write

1178
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: her roast and and at the and she kept said

1179
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: a few times she's like, I know, I know Roseanne

1180
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: rom somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it.

1181
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: What is it? And she kept asking me, I know,

1182
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: I know, I've met her, I know I've done something

1183
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: with her. Then I have the phone. I am d

1184
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: beat her. She wrote two episodes of Roseanne. Yeah, and

1185
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: then I'm uh uh. Then I remember sometimes you have

1186
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: to write jokes in the hall. I remember I had

1187
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: write write a joke for not Seth Rogan, whose other Seth?

1188
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: Who has that robot chicken? Seth Green? Yeah, I had

1189
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: to write a joke for him at the last second.

1190
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: And no, it's a joke for Carrie Fisher that wrote

1191
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: like we needed. She doesn't have a joke about Seth Green,

1192
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: and it works just because she's out of it. I go,

1193
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: she goes, I am The joke I gave her was

1194
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know this. I learned two things

1195
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: talking to Seth Green. Apparently he's a big Star Wars

1196
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: fan and also apparently I was in the film and

1197
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: then in a film called Star Wars. So it's just

1198
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: I like the fun, the pressure of just having to

1199
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: come up with something. Really, I'm not saying that's a

1200
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: brilliant joke, but just in the per second that I

1201
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: took to write it, it was pretty good. Um. But yeah,

1202
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: I always love you know. Just there's a lot of

1203
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: similarities I think between comedy and joke writing and and songwriting.

1204
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot, you know, I mean, what's the I

1205
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: mean there's exceptions, there's stairway and all that. There's long

1206
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: but the most part is like you gotta say everything

1207
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: you need just saying what three minutes three and a

1208
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: half sometimes, and I mean joke it's it's fun to

1209
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: figure out, you know. Then there's a rhythm to a

1210
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: joke too. It's like you've got one line, you know,

1211
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: and you gotta say something. I mean, even sitcoms are

1212
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: they're not with commercials and stuff. Um Actually, with my

1213
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: brother I scored a sitcom. Um, as my music career

1214
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: took on, I scored a sitcom and out on CBS

1215
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: last year called the Great Indoors was Joel mckel sitcom

1216
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: And this guy knew my music. It's like, why don't

1217
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: you do them? I kind of goes CBS to give

1218
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: me all least writers. But you know, I can't have

1219
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: you writing, but you can do the music for it

1220
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: if you want. I'm like, I can't, really, I'll bet

1221
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: I can't. On my own. I couldn't do it. So

1222
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: my brothers producer, I have him do it with me,

1223
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: and um, we sent them the theme song like we

1224
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: need it really sure the sname theme song for the

1225
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: show was we sent them a ten second theme song

1226
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: as like a sample what they like, and they actually

1227
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: loved the ten seconds we sent They go there are

1228
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: The only note is we need to seconds take it off.

1229
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: They needed the theme song because you and I remember

1230
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: probably you know cheers the song. But nowadays with commercials

1231
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, they gotta get chopped the whole

1232
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: show down. So it's like it was an eight second

1233
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: theme song. That right the record out w W three

1234
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: Wheeler Walker your most wheel Walker is my father's name.

1235
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: I'm Weither Walker Jr. Bad And then weel a Walker.

1236
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: The third is now is he gonna have a music career?

1237
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 1: Are you gonna hire a kid? Have you thought about

1238
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: that yet? Well, there is a kid in my video.

1239
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to do music, to do vulgar music? Well,

1240
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: i'm um, I don't think. I didn't want to take

1241
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 1: it that far. I got a lot of I went

1242
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: real hard after you want to put a penis on

1243
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: a billboard? But I went real but yeah, I went

1244
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: real hard after Yodel Kid and got a lot of

1245
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: blowback on that, And then I offered yodel Kid bucket

1246
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,240
Speaker 1: load of money to do as for my new record,

1247
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: and they said no, because you know that's not the

1248
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: direction is career is going. Even though he's playing like fraternity,

1249
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: but it's getting really weird. I think the whole yottle

1250
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: kid thing, Um, he's not gonna be a Yoto kid anymore.

1251
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: Just eventually a yodel man. Yodel Man's gonna be is

1252
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: that's gonna be where they's gonna get interested. It's gonna be. Yeah,

1253
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna be. Well, that's gonna be. Um, Danny Bonnet

1254
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: Duci territory. I think I saw you recently. Um, you

1255
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: and Cam Brown? Where are You're You're going to came

1256
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: Brown a little bit. Yeah, that's another one where like

1257
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: we went after each other little bit. Then I ran

1258
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: into him. It's something We started talking and he was

1259
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: a nice kid, and I just we just talked. I

1260
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm not gonna lie and say

1261
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: I listen to his music or no could even name

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Speaker 1: you a song, but like the conversation was cordial. On Twitter.

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Speaker 1: It's just like actually I've talked to him before. It's

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Speaker 1: like I know, I'm like there's a nice guy. I

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Speaker 1: got nothing against the dude, and I think it anchors

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Speaker 1: people to know that I that, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: hate some of these people. I don't know why, but

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Speaker 1: they want to know. That's what I was saying about

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Speaker 1: the The aggression of it is starting to bout. They

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Speaker 1: they want me to hate these people. That that bad,

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Speaker 1: and it's really it's it's bugging. It's bugging me and

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Speaker 1: I just want to make great songs and make great

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Speaker 1: music and give people a few laughs. And you know,

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Speaker 1: a Wheeler holiday album next year, Well that I would

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Speaker 1: say nothing. I've gotten more requests for is than a

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Speaker 1: Wheeler Christmas album. But there's another touchy stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do I want to have the biggest selling dirty Christmas

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Speaker 1: album of all time? If that's even possibility to even

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Speaker 1: want that, I don't know. I got thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: There's only so many nasty things you could say about Christmas.

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Speaker 1: That being said, I could, I'd be fine without ever

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Speaker 1: hearing um where am I got run over by reindeer?

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Speaker 1: Over in my life again? So there's gonna better songs

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Speaker 1: than that. The money that song is made though, And

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Speaker 1: that's what also upsets me too, is I mean, I

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Speaker 1: go back and forth. I'm like, man, how much money

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Speaker 1: would have made if it has been record selling days?

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Speaker 1: But then I go, well, I would I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: had wouldn't be able to see here, do podcasts, advertise,

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Speaker 1: YouTube and streaming all this stuff to what I do

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be possible back then. So this will be up

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Speaker 1: that we're doing this on December three. It will be

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Speaker 1: up tonight. So I'm gonna rattle off a few dates

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Speaker 1: to go see Wheeler December six, Cannery Ballroom in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: December seven, Joe's Sports Bar in Chicago, and December eight

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Speaker 1: the Rave two in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And uh, listen, I

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Speaker 1: hope your record sells wonderfully to those who want to buy.

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Speaker 1: At least people can check it out. I just got

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Speaker 1: a number. I'm not going to read it, but I

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Speaker 1: got someone sent me a number of what it's sold

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Speaker 1: in the first two days on my text. Shall i'll

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Speaker 1: tell you off the year. It's a hundred fifty million

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Speaker 1: what I expect. Yeah, so we're gonna we'll probably do

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Speaker 1: a billion sales the first week. And if if you're

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Speaker 1: making all but two dollars, yeah, so yeah, I'll probably

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Speaker 1: make That's what I'm saying. It's hard to lift because

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Speaker 1: I'm only going to make a hunter million. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. You'll be all right, all right, Ben,

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Speaker 1: Good to see Bud YouTube Man. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate Wheelow Walker Jr. Or Ben Hoffman spend time

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Speaker 1: with them? Both both interesting characters. Which one? Which one

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Speaker 1: you like better? I mean, I appreciate Wheeler as much

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Speaker 1: as you can appreciate, but I like I like people

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Speaker 1: to like me and not appreciate me. I love the

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Speaker 1: comedy of Wheeler and what it represents two people because

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Speaker 1: I just enjoy comedy. But I'd rather hang out with Ben. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm with you on that. Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 1: There is six I think to sleep number on Life

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Speaker 1: Flock check down, Wheeler Walker Jr. And w W three.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. By m HM