WEBVTT - Selects: How Historic Districts Work 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:04.840 Hey everybody, and welcome to the Saturday Selects. I'm Charles W. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.040 Chuck Bryant, co host of Stuff You Should Know, and 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:09.600 this week we're going to dive into the archives to 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.280 talk about an episode that I quite enjoyed. Actually it's 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.320 about historic districts. I don't live in a historic district. 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.040 I kind of wish I did. I live in an 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.280 old house from the ninet thirties and there's a lot 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:23.440 of old houses around me, but it ain't a historic district. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:25.560 And the reason I know is because I did this 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.080 podcast on them, and just having old houses around doesn't 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.240 make it a historic district. If you want to find 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.720 out what that really means, well then just open up 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.840 your ears and continue to listen and you'll be done. 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:41.360 So please to enjoy our Saturday Selector this week all 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:49.440 about historic districts. Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:58.440 production of I Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:03.120 I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles W. Chuck Bryan, There's Jerry 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.200 over there, and that makes this Stuff you Should Know. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:12.319 Say the clock tower, that's good? Like that it's good? 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.959 Just popped into my head. Oh for real? Yeah, I 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.399 wasn't reading this article and doing this research thinking back 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.120 to the future, back to the future. I'm surprised it 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:24.800 just popped into my head. I actually hadn't thought about 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:26.560 back to the future at all. But but that's a 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.120 really that's very appropriate, Chuck. But that is not a 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:33.199 historic district. That is just a landmark building. I think 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:39.800 that could still it could still qualify for a registry 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.240 on the National Register of Historic Places. It just wouldn't 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.200 be a historic district, which is what we're talking about today. 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.600 Maybe this should just be the end of the podcast, 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.720 the end, Chuck. Have you ever gone into a neighborhood, 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:54.760 just been walking around town, and all of a sudden 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.880 you realize that you're in the most charming, adorable place 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.600 you've ever been in your life. Sure, well, then you've 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:06.880 probably been in a historic district. Yeah, this is pretty cool. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.640 I feel like this. We haven't done one like this 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.799 in a while. You like this when I was fully 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.880 expecting you to say like this so much. I love 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:20.560 historic places, I know, but sometimes Yeah, I don't know 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.520 why I thought that, but I'm glad that you I'm 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.000 glad that it panned out. I actually selected it because 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.600 I knew you were gonna hate it, so, you know, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.880 eggs on my face. This is I don't know. It 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.880 kind of harkened back to some of our episodes we 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.920 used to do, like row houses and shotgun houses. Uh, yeah, 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:39.840 that's that stuff. Saw houses, Yeah, yeah, shotgun houses. We 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.600 did do a full episode on shotgun houses. Yeah, and 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.880 their architectural importance. I thought that was a pretty good episode, agreed. 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.799 I think we released it as a select recently too, 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.400 didn't we m I don't think I did. But that 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.240 might have been one of your picks. I don't think 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.840 I did. It was Jerry ghost producer. We need to 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.800 let Jerry select him some from time to time. Jerry 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.639 did time for that stuff. That's fine. She needs nothing 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.880 else on her plate besides me, so that's true. And 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.600 overseeing the largest podcast program in the world. Yeah, it's 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:15.959 pretty impressive. Years Jerry said, thank you. Yes she does. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.600 She's aid thank your holding me so super in her mouth. So, um, 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.079 I think I've already kind of gotten the intro out 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:24.520 of the way where I asked if you've been in 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:26.520 a charming area and said you've probably been in a 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.160 historic district. Well, I mean, there's a good chance that 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.320 you have if you've been in the United States, because 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.720 there are more than of them. Yeah, that's a lot. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.680 I mean there's all over the place. And you might 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.320 say like, okay, well that's great. Who this is an 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.640 area that has been designated to have some sort of 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.440 historic significance. Um, can I please go to sleep now? 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.800 It will say no, no, please don't go to sleep yet, 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.920 because there's a lot more to it. And in one 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:55.160 of the more surprising twists you're ever going to have 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:59.720 in your entire life, it's actually controversial historic districts can 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:04.080 be Oh yeah, yeah, did you not read that one article? Yeah? 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.840 I was just being coy. Okay, my stomach just bottomed 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:13.320 out in terror. So should we talk about Charleston, South Carolina? Yes, 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:17.320 a place where I well I didn't go there. I 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.920 went to the beach near there. Oh, the Isle of Palms, yeah, 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.240 just a few weeks ago. Oh yeah, but we were 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:27.279 within uh spitting distance of Charleston, South Carolina. Why would 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.920 you spit on Charleston, I wouldn't. I love it. Bill 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.039 Murray lives there, for God's sakes, Yeah he does. Apparently 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:34.760 he's a man about town there and I think his 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:37.120 family lives there too. Yeah, that's why he lives there. 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:43.200 Oh gotcha. Yeah. So, uh, they formed the very first 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:47.760 historic district in the United States. Yeah, they established the 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:52.159 Board of Architectural Review And this quote here is pretty great. Uh. 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.440 This is the official quote from that Architectural Review board. 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.040 Can you please read it in the mid Atlantic accent? 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.400 Mid Atlantic? Why that? Because that's the that's the one, 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.920 the old timey one. Okay that you're probably going to use. 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:08.000 I was going to do an old Southern thing. Oh 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.120 that's okay, yeah, no, that's way more, way better. The 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:14.760 preservation and protection of the old historic and architecturally worthy 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:19.360 structures and quaint neighborhoods, which in pought distinct aspect of 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.880 the city of Charleston. That is, that was beautiful. They 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:29.120 actually have quaint neighborhoods in their charge. Yeah right, So, 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.280 I mean, like, from what I've read too, Charleston like 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:39.160 actually is legitimately interested in its architecture and preserving its architecture. Yeah, although, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.360 as we'll see later, there are some people that think 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.480 Charleston didn't do it right. Oh is that right? Yeah, 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.560 that's in the article at okay, so, or that they're 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.000 overdoing it. That's how I took it. Yeah, sure, okay, 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.400 cool cool. So but Charleston was the first one to 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.960 basically say, this is historically significant architecture. This is a 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:01.200 historically a significant area you and we want to make 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.080 sure that it stays that way. So we're going to 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.440 add a layer of protection, legal protection over this area 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.480 that the rest of the city doesn't have. And within 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.160 five years the word had spread to New Orleans and 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.719 they said, that's a pretty good idea. Chief, We're going 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.440 to do that for the French Quarter. Is my New 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:29.159 Orleans accent? That uh yeah, and that you know, what 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.240 they're basically saying is is that it can be either one. 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.320 It can and it all depends on your local jurisdictions, 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:39.720 which we'll get to. But historically or aesthetically, these buildings 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.400 in this area, they're linked together, right, And so the 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.280 Charleston thing basically provided the Charleston and then the New 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.440 Orleans when basically provided the groundwork, which was this area 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.080 is protected, and we're going to form a board who 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.400 is charged with making sure that it stays this way 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.440 as much as possible. We're going to vest some legal 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.400 authority into them, and these people are you have to 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:05.640 go through if you want to do anything significantly um uh, 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.160 altering to the exterior of your place if you live 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.440 in this area or have a business there, right, or 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:14.640 maybe not even significantly depending on where you are. So 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.840 kind of like you know, plotted along this idea. It 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.560 was around for a couple of decades, and then this 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.520 whole process of urban renewal that was kicked off after 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.560 the highways started being built. Um in part because of 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.760 the highways, because people were saying, wait, you're gonna you're 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.360 gonna blow right through you know, the Lower East Side 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.720 in Chinatown with this highway in in Manhattan. We don't 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.040 want you to do that. This is worth protecting, so 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:45.080 build your highway elsewhere. And then also as the highways 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:50.280 were built and traffic started being rerouted away from other towns, um, 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.240 these other towns that used to be thriving started to 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.840 fall into disrepair. Some people are saying like, hey, let's 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.880 knock down these old buildings and build new ones and 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.800 maybe business will come back. Um It in initiated this 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.480 idea that no, no, we've got some historic stuff here 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.239 and we need to protect it. And it really started 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.600 to kick off in Earnest in the in the fifties, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:11.560 and by nineteen fifties six, the federalites had gotten involved 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.200 and through the National Park Service established the National Historic 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.640 Preservation Act that said, you, MPs, you're in charge of 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.560 designating what's his an historic site and what's not. That's right, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.360 and uh in nineteen sixty six they created the National 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.680 Register of Historic Places run by the National Parks are 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.679 or not run but I guess just sort of maintained. Sorry, yes, 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.120 I said nineteen fifty six. I'm in nineteen sixty six. Okay, 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:43.440 I got everything else right, Yeah, that's right. So, um, 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.840 here's a deal. You can be listed on the National Register. 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.680 And that's really like that doesn't I mean, it means 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:51.920 something I don't want to say. It doesn't mean a 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:55.320 whole lot. But if you really want to protect something, 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.000 you have to go with your local historic district. You 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:03.680 have to create and protect it locally. That's a very 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:07.080 big deal. But we're gonna go over both national and state, 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.520 which is sort of like national, and then local, which 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.880 is pretty different. It actually is, but it's really it's 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.560 impressive that the local level is the one that has 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.240 the real teeth as far as historic districts are concerned. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.640 As it should be so, but most people want to 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.080 start out with the national district at the very least, 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.240 because there's a certain amount of cache to it to 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:32.640 having your place designated as a National Historic um either structure, district, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.920 or area. But there's there's multiple things that can fall 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:41.680 under or be um logged onto the Register of Historic Places. 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:46.840 Apparently in other countries they have similar registers, but they'll 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:53.680 include things like events, um people, just not necessarily things 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.440 or objects. But in the United States there's a real 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:01.640 emphasis on place and situation and buildings in particular. And 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.439 so if you're on the National Register of Historic Places, 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.080 you are two things. You're an object and you're inanimate, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.440 and you probably are in situated in a specific area. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.920 You're like where you are, what you are is kind 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.680 of tied to the area you're around. That's the real 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.320 focus of the United States National Register of Historic Places. 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.400 That's right. So there are five overall categories. Buildings, it's 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:32.280 pretty obvious. Structures also kind of obvious, but that could 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:33.920 be it says in here that could even be an 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.240 aircraft as a structure. Yeah, I saw that there's a 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.760 grain elevator in the Fox, Illinois that's protected because it's 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.520 an example of the transition between one story and two 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:48.400 story grain elevators. Amazing, It is amazing, And I don't 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.480 want to yuck anybody's this thing about this like to me, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.240 like if you can see, chuck, I'm bleeding a little 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:55.800 bit out of the corner of my eye from being 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.840 bored and even saying that since but I'm sure there 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:03.280 are people out there appreciate the different architecture of grain elevators. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.920 And that's the point. It means that if it's on 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.080 the National um Register of His Story Places, it is 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.679 important to some group of people. And so don't you there, yum, 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.600 even if you find it's boring, agreed, because they might 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.840 find what you find interesting and boring. Number Three, it 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.160 can be an object. Number four. It can be a 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.520 site and this is a big one, uh in the 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.000 United States because like Civil War battle fields, um, stuff 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:33.600 like that Applach and trail. Yeah, the MLK Historic Site. Sure, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.439 it's like a bunch of well we'll tell you, we'll 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:38.880 talk about that later. Or it can be a district, 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.360 which is basically some kind of combination of those first four. 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.480 Um or just let me group like you know, the 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:51.680 street has has ten houses. Ten ten beautiful Victorian houses 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.040 are all built by the same architect and so this is, well, 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:57.640 we're going to consider this a district, right, So like 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.720 maybe in each of those instances, of one of those 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:05.439 houses was in a neighborhood, it might qualify for designation 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.360 as a historic building. But if you put them together, 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:12.400 because they're together, they form this district, which is, you know, 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.040 the some of these parts form something larger and that 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:21.120 connects them. And um, there's a couple of qualifications that 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.240 they have to meet to to be part or listed 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.920 on the National Register. Um. Almost without exception, they have 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:32.599 to be fifty years old. I think the law is that, um, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.040 it has to be exceptionally important to be younger than 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.679 fifty years old and still be designated on the Historic 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.880 Places Register. That's right. Uh. The other thing it has 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:46.359 to be is significant, which sounds kind of broad, but um, 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.680 and I guess it kind of is. Because significance is 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:52.080 in the eye of the beholder. But that's why we 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.199 have boards and things like that to determine whether or 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.839 not they think it's significant to behold things for us. 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.880 And then finally it's got to be evaluated that's significant 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:05.200 and historic context, which kind of speaks for itself, like 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.760 it did any great history happen there? Um, well, you 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.040 know it was this Bob Dylan's house in Minnesota when 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.240 he was a child. Although I don't know if that's 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.080 on the list. I just threw that out there. It 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.400 could be. I mean, it could be that's that's a 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.600 that's a home run. But say, like let's say you said, um, 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:26.240 well this this building used to house soda shop, a 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:30.360 soda shop that made pretty good chocolate malts, um, and 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.400 so it's representative of that time. Well, if you were 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.839 on the board looking at this application, you would look 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.360 around and try to put it in context, like, yes, 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.840 people liked chocolate malts at soda shops at one period 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.480 in American history, But was this the place where chocolate 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.439 malts were invented or is this the place where everyone 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.760 widely agreed made the best chocolate malted. It's like no, 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:56.199 Like it has a history, but not necessarily significant history 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.080 in context of the larger era that it's a part of, 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.240 so it would probably get passed over. Yeah, like the 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.679 four sort of historic context that you you have, it's 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.000 not shoeing necessarily, but you have a good chance if 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.280 if something important historically happened there, like this is the 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.480 place where so and so was shot and killed or 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.880 born perhaps who on a more up note, okay, uh, 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:27.120 did someone live here that was significant? George Washington slept here? 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.640 Sure or associated with them? Didn't have to live there necessarily? Um? 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:34.320 Is it related to a certain architectural period or method 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.640 of construction? Like that's a that's a big one for 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.960 the Park Service, sure, like this is the um, this 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:44.400 is the last house to be used that used plaster 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.400 and laugh for their walls. Or there's a there's a 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:50.920 college in Florida called Florida Southern College that is like 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:54.640 the entire campus was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. So 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:58.200 that is clearly going to be accepted on the National Register. 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.880 Or finally, was their information at this place that is 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:07.600 historically important? Yeah? Or might there be because they can 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.000 afford protection to say, like an archaeological site that's a 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.400 known archaeological site that they haven't really dug yet, Like 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.720 we'll find it right there, saying there's a pretty good 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.800 potential that some information or history or historical significance will 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.040 be yielded from investigation of the site. But we want 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.240 to protect it now before developers come in. That's right. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.560 Here's the thing though, if you want to be a 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.000 historic district, um, that doesn't like if you if you 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.400 want to say like these three square blocks or historic district, 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.680 that doesn't mean that every single property in there is 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:42.440 what's called a contributing property to that district. Yeah, they're 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.480 non contributing properties are allowed. Sure, Like if you have 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.080 those fifteen Victorian houses on a block and then there's 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:54.680 the one, you know, the one modern mcmanchin, right, that 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:57.080 that's non contributing. I think we can all agree. But 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.600 it doesn't disqualify the rest of the area in as necessarily. 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.440 It just it depends on um. From what I've seen, 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.920 it's very much a subjective measure. How much that mcmanchin 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:13.760 detracts from the field or the um authenticity of the 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.200 rest of the site what they call um integrity. Yeah, 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.440 that's really kind of interesting, I think, because all this 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:25.160 stuff is subjective. But the integrity there is how that 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:30.000 the physical characteristics of that property reflect, like on this day, 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.160 reflect that significance historically. Right, So like if you have 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.720 that row of Victorian homes, but every single one of 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:39.160 them was altered in the sixties or the seventies or 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.080 the eighties, and the people inside made some really weird 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:46.920 decisions and so altered the interior the exterior of these homes. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.320 That yes, they were all part of this Victorian era, 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.960 and they were once pretty good examples of it. They 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.120 aren't any longer. Even though it qualifies for all these 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.040 other things, it would not be consider ordered UM a 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.760 site with integrity, and it might get passed over unless 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.680 everyone agreed to restore the houses back to that Victorian era. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.800 That's the status letter to get I think is I'm 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.480 sorry you've been denied because your property has no integrity 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.320 pretty pretty much, you know, and you, sir, do not either. 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:21.480 That's how they finish every letter like that. Should we 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.280 take a break and talk about how you might create 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.440 a historic district? There is one other thing before we do, Chuck, 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:29.320 I think it's a fine idea. I'm not shooting down 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.200 your idea, but I do want to point out that 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:38.320 UM areas have to be unified, not necessarily physically, visually geographically, 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.360 but somehow they have to be linked to be considered 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:51.200 a district. That's all right, now, you wanna take a break, yes, okay, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.679 if you want to know, then you're in luck just 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:08.040 to ex Alright, So if you're a person and you live, 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.720 let's just take us for instance, Like let's say I 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.560 wanted to get my house in my neighborhood and in 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.000 Atlanta recognize as it or my block as a historic 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:23.639 National Historic District. Okay uh. And the real reason I 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:27.560 want to do this is because of the street near 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.280 my house. They're going to expand and it's a real 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:34.080 bummer because they're gonna have to tear down, um a 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.320 few of the houses that are really what I think 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.600 are significant, and they might take possession of that little 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:44.719 strip of land that you've been exercising squatting on. More importantly, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.359 they will take my little strip of land, right, Okay, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.600 So what would you do? Like, what what are you 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.520 gonna do? And um, as step one took to protect 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.400 your home, well to place it on the National Register. 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.520 I would start at the state, uh, the Historic Preservation Officer. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.200 And this is a person every state has one. You 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.840 can go to the NPS website to find out who 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.880 yours is and get in touch and they're basically gonna 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.720 help you out with I mean, you're gonna you're gonna 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.159 plead your case, of course, but they're gonna help you 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:21.800 fill out this form um explaining why. I mean. They 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:24.399 may say listen, don't even bother, But what they're supposed 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.600 to do is help assess whether or not it might 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.359 be eligible and help you fill out all your national 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.800 forms to send in. Right, they might say like how 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.640 old your house? And if you're like, oh, it's Bill 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.560 in the nineties, it's still pretty nice, they'll be like, 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:39.320 don't don't bother, that's right. But um, you're since you 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.080 have never done this before, your dinghis at it, and 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.280 they're there to help you figure this out and how 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.239 to do it right. They're not the ones who are 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.359 going to judge this. A board will, and typically a 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:55.040 state board um for a state historic preservation board. Their 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.479 review board is made up of people who know what 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:02.840 they're talking about. Architects, his story us, archaeologists, anthropologists, people 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.240 who have been trained in this stuff, who can say, yeah, 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.280 this actually isn't that great. There's a much better example 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.159 of it. You know, a couple of blocks over. As 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:13.439 a matter of fact, why don't we go to the 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.879 other place and make that a historic district? And then 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:22.040 you're like, no, snobs, but um, the the officer that 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.480 you are contacting, it's their job to help you get there, 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.600 your application in in state your case, and then get 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:30.840 it in front of the review board who will then 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.879 take it from there and say this is a great idea, 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.320 there's a terrible idea, or I don't care either way, 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.360 and it's time for lunch. Approved. That's right. And this 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.399 is again going for that National Register. And one reason 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.600 you might want to do this is because here's the thing. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.560 It's it's sort of a badge of honor um, like 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.560 we said before, and we'll we'll uh, we'll talk about 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.280 again later about the local one. That's one you really want. 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.160 But if you are on the National Register, it does 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:04.280 provide you with some legal protections federally, so if that 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:08.560 road is a is a federal highway project, then it 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.720 could protect your house, or even better, even if it's 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.679 a local or a state project, if it's getting any 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:19.000 federal funding whatsoever, same thing applies sure where they have 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.720 to say what's going to be the impact on any 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.639 historic district of this project? And if the impact is 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.160 deemed too great, the project won't go forward. So there 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.760 is there are some protections for it but for the 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:34.280 most part it's kind of symbolic and there's a little 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:36.199 bit of cache, and you know, you can put it 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.119 on your zealo page that your house is part of 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.840 a national historic district, right, but you can't. They can't say, 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:43.600 I mean you can. You can live in a historic 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.840 a national historic home, and you can let it fall 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.240 into disrepair and look like garbage. And they can't come 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:52.359 in and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're you're on the 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:54.960 National Register. You can't let your house fall into disrepair 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.240 like this, right, Yeah, clean yourself up. You gotta stain 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:01.040 on your shirt, get a shape, what's your problem. They 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.119 don't say that, as those are individual property rights, and 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.520 it's only up to local governments to infringe on individual 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.480 property rights, not the state or federal government. So while 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.359 the state or federal government will have laws restricting its 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:17.280 own activities in regards to historic districts, like expanding a 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.679 road or something like that. Yeah, if you get on 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:24.200 the National Register of Historic Places, your whole neighborhood gets 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.560 on there. Your neighbor can do whatever they want with 0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:28.600 their house. Still, So if that was your whole employ 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.640 all along chuck to really keep your neighbor from doing 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:34.520 something like, say, I don't know, putting a second story 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:38.199 on their house. Um, you're going to find that you 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:42.480 have been frustrated. That's right. Um, you can go to 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:46.280 the state, But the state is basically like federal um 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.000 as far as protections and stuff like that go. Where 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:52.359 where the real teeth come in is with the local 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:56.560 historic districts, and it is very different. They don't have 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.520 to meet the same guidelines a lot of times very similar, 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:01.600 but they don't have to have the same exact guidelines 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:06.399