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Speaker 1: on Talking Cowboys. And you know I would introduce Isaiahs
Speaker 1: introduction already because of oh Man pre show antics or
Speaker 1: something on this show that I will never ever ever
Speaker 1: revealed to the public. But that's okay. Heck Ma Harrison,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back, Glad you're with us here
Speaker 1: on this Wednesday. I hope you're having as much fun
Speaker 1: as we are. We're gonna break down the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers as well as the Dallas Cowboys coming
Speaker 1: up on Sunday. But guys, first off, glad you're with
Speaker 1: us and hope you're having a great day. But Rob
Speaker 1: kind of break down the fact that the Cowboys could
Speaker 1: get some reinforcements back as soon as today on the
Speaker 1: practice field, Mike McCarthy saying that secondary could see some
Speaker 1: guys get back and healthy. Yeah, just real quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta stop the jokes. I guess right before because
Speaker 1: Chris gets mad. Chris is yelling at us to stop
Speaker 1: giggling because we got stand by. Yeah, stop it, stop
Speaker 1: and stop it. Okay. Injury wise, yeah, it looks like
Speaker 1: Cheeta Wuzier should be back to practice, which means taking
Speaker 1: him off of reserve COVID list. McCarthy said Monday that
Speaker 1: he definitely should be ready Wednesday, so that's good, and
Speaker 1: some more help in the secondary. Potentially Trayvon Diggs who's
Speaker 1: still on IR and Donovan Wilson as well could practice
Speaker 1: as early as today. So for Diggs that would be
Speaker 1: starting that through that three week window to get him
Speaker 1: back with the fractured foot. So you know, hey, going
Speaker 1: up against the forty nine ers team Sunday, could have
Speaker 1: some healthy bodies back there in the secondary. That's good.
Speaker 1: How significant is that heckmanna get some some healthy bodies
Speaker 1: backing into the picture on that secondary side of things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to hear about Donovan Wilson coming back
Speaker 1: in his presence is solely missed on the defense. He has,
Speaker 1: you know, been a temple setter for our defense. As
Speaker 1: far as the physicality that he brings, I think Thompson,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to fill in for him and some
Speaker 1: of those sets that we have on defense where Donald
Speaker 1: comes up kind of in the linebacker will or sam
Speaker 1: Well will linebacker stands and he's so physical he's able
Speaker 1: to do it well. And so hearing that he's going
Speaker 1: to be back, and also Cheeto getting him back, it's
Speaker 1: going to be very important. Um. But as far as
Speaker 1: our rookie digs through the fractured foot, you know, just
Speaker 1: let him heal up. Man. It's just I know that
Speaker 1: we want to get more reps and see this guy
Speaker 1: and he may end up coming back, but just for me,
Speaker 1: caution is the best way to go for Diggs. Now,
Speaker 1: it's good to hear that some of these guys are
Speaker 1: coming back. I mean, you definitely, your your approach to
Speaker 1: the game is a little bit different, Your effort levels
Speaker 1: are a little bit different when you know that you
Speaker 1: have your guys out there, uh, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: doubling down on what Heck just said in terms of digs,
Speaker 1: I've had foot issues. I had to total as Frank,
Speaker 1: and you're the foot is nothing to play with. If
Speaker 1: he is, if he's not one, if he's like ninety,
Speaker 1: you know, eighty five, then just let him let him
Speaker 1: sit out the rest of the year. Um, you know that,
Speaker 1: you know that he's a cornerstone. I'm gonna call him
Speaker 1: a cornerstone to this defense going forward. Is somebody that
Speaker 1: you definitely going to be relying on and leaning on
Speaker 1: heavily going into next year and the years beyond that.
Speaker 1: So just make sure that he's one hundred percent healthy
Speaker 1: prior to coming back. But in terms of the other guys,
Speaker 1: you know, you did say Wilson, Wilson, we missed. We
Speaker 1: missed him last week even though we are guys did Um.
Speaker 1: They came in and the form reincarnated form of Wilson
Speaker 1: last week when they're coming out lading hitting guys. Um,
Speaker 1: that's what we thought we were going to miss last game.
Speaker 1: But those guys decided to bring it. So if those
Speaker 1: guys bring that same intensity and we have Wilson out
Speaker 1: there coming down here, I think it's a whole it's
Speaker 1: a completely different, completely different defense. Yeah, Isaiah, go for
Speaker 1: a rob No I was just thinking, you're throwing some
Speaker 1: elbow drops off the top rope for meet you get
Speaker 1: the hit man back in the lineup, and man, you
Speaker 1: got something cooking on Jim. It's a recipe for success. Now,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask a couple either or questions, and
Speaker 1: this first one has to deal with two of the
Speaker 1: guys that we just talked about with Donovan Wilson and
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs. Each young guys who saw quite a bit
Speaker 1: of progression as the twenty twenty season went along. But
Speaker 1: which one is more significant to return right now? Is
Speaker 1: it Treyvon Diggs? I Mean, we talked about being safe here,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to talk about in terms of growth
Speaker 1: and reps over the past the final three games of
Speaker 1: the season, is Wilson more important to return or Digs
Speaker 1: more important to return? Isaiah, if we were kind of
Speaker 1: coming back for this game, if all those guys are
Speaker 1: one hundred percent, um, I think Wilson's physical presence is
Speaker 1: something that's that's needed. Um. But again, if our defense
Speaker 1: plays physical as he did last week, then is not
Speaker 1: as needed as we would need Diggs? Right, we have
Speaker 1: Brandon I coming in this week, and um, he's he's
Speaker 1: a dude. He's a dude. He's he's a young cat.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's Torton Seemingly everybody that tries to guard him.
Speaker 1: So it would be nice to have somebody out there
Speaker 1: that could put some hands on it and kind of
Speaker 1: stick with him because he's been he's been running up
Speaker 1: the dog on a scoreboard and that's not somebody that
Speaker 1: we want to let loose this week. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: Isaiah Wilson would be the guy between those two simply
Speaker 1: because of the physic the physicality of this game that
Speaker 1: we're about to play. Mcnam think about it. We've been
Speaker 1: talking about the culture for a lot of organizations and
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan has done a really good job of implementing
Speaker 1: that culture him and Lynch, the general manager, Lynch, and
Speaker 1: so they have a culture that is physical. And every
Speaker 1: time you play the forty nine ers, win, lose, a draw,
Speaker 1: even all the injuries that they have, the one common
Speaker 1: denominator for this team is going to be that they're
Speaker 1: going to play physical football. And so our defense versus
Speaker 1: that offense, we're gonna have to have guys like that
Speaker 1: to shut down this run. And you talk about Brandon
Speaker 1: i u Ki is going to be a nightmare for
Speaker 1: our secondary. So having that push in the front seven
Speaker 1: and also supporting cast behind, it's going to be very
Speaker 1: important for this game. Yeah, I would agree. I'd say Wilson,
Speaker 1: especially to against against their running game. You know, having
Speaker 1: a box safety was physical. That's that's that's important for sure,
Speaker 1: just for the rest of the season. Again, like like
Speaker 1: you guys said, if Treyvon Diggs is one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't put him out there. I don't think I
Speaker 1: know they wouldn't, But you know, it's been I think
Speaker 1: it's been about five and a half weeks since the
Speaker 1: since the fracture he had. Um, you know, if he's
Speaker 1: if he's ready, I think that's valuable for him. You know,
Speaker 1: get him two or three games down the stretch here,
Speaker 1: finish out the season, and just get him reps because, yeah,
Speaker 1: he is a cornerstone. He's a guy that they expect
Speaker 1: to be a starter here for a long time. And
Speaker 1: as many snaps as a rookie can get, no matter
Speaker 1: the stakes of the game, I think is really good
Speaker 1: for him. So we'll see if he can do that.
Speaker 1: So my second either or question has to deal with
Speaker 1: kind of the same, same sort of deal. But is
Speaker 1: it more important that you get these guys back in
Speaker 1: the final three weeks of the season for wins or
Speaker 1: is it for growth? Which which one is more important
Speaker 1: for these guys right now whenever it comes to getting
Speaker 1: back into the pray, do you want them to come
Speaker 1: back and win or do you want to come back
Speaker 1: and see them grow? Heckma, the name of the game
Speaker 1: is winning, Kyle, So we want to we want to,
Speaker 1: we want to win. And you know the I think
Speaker 1: Diggs has shown you we're traveling with number one receivers
Speaker 1: his you know when he was in there that what
Speaker 1: you have in him, you you have a fair assessment
Speaker 1: of his abilities and so um, if he's not and
Speaker 1: I understand, and I'm with Rob, if he's not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, he's not gonna play. But again, you know,
Speaker 1: there's so much have been made about gaining momentum going
Speaker 1: into next season. If that means anything, right, if it's
Speaker 1: not lip service, then we have to get some wins
Speaker 1: at least for this defense to start to feel good
Speaker 1: about themselves going into the all season. They cleaned up
Speaker 1: a lot of it. They don't look like the keystone
Speaker 1: cops anymore moving around free snap. So I like that,
Speaker 1: and so hopefully they didn't against Cincinnati, and look, we're
Speaker 1: just all we can go off of is that last performance.
Speaker 1: And they did not look like Keystone cops there. And
Speaker 1: so this team, though, Kyle Shanahan does a lot of motions,
Speaker 1: and so we'll see if we're able to get set
Speaker 1: up in our alignments. Isaiah, what happens said? What Hecka said? Um,
Speaker 1: you know, especially as we're talking about the physicality, that's
Speaker 1: something that we'll touch on. You'll see on the film room.
Speaker 1: These guys there, they are physical. Um, they are physical.
Speaker 1: But as we talk about guys coming back for development
Speaker 1: or guys coming back for a win, I think you
Speaker 1: obviously you come back for a win, and you expect
Speaker 1: development in that process. So you just put development into
Speaker 1: underneath that umbrella. You know, if you're not playing, if
Speaker 1: you're not playing to win, get out the game. Get
Speaker 1: out the game. So you come back to play for
Speaker 1: the WS, I don't care whether you have a shot
Speaker 1: at the playoffs or not. You know, like as my
Speaker 1: old coach, Coach Belichick said, you're out there to do
Speaker 1: one thing, and if you're on offense, you're out there
Speaker 1: to score points. You're on defense, you out there to
Speaker 1: stop them, and you know, and altogether you come together.
Speaker 1: You can come out there to win games. And if
Speaker 1: you're not doing that, you're in the wrong business. Rob.
Speaker 1: I guess we lost Rob. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about growth, we're talking about wins,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it ends up being both. Whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to the younger players on the back end, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not playing to lose the game. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: talked about that already. You play to win the game,
Speaker 1: and you have that kind of competitive edge. But from
Speaker 1: a coaching staff standpoint, I think it's just as important
Speaker 1: to see the growth. I mean, if you lose two
Speaker 1: either of these next three to let's say you lose
Speaker 1: to San Francisco and you lose to Philadelphia, but you're
Speaker 1: able to shut down their offense, is to maybe under
Speaker 1: twenty points, you can't get your offense off the ground, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: There's so many different scenarios here where you can see
Speaker 1: some growth from these guys at cornerback that could potentially
Speaker 1: allow you to more evaluate or more accurately evaluate these
Speaker 1: guys going into twenty twenty one, which is pretty much
Speaker 1: what we're doing right now right. I mean, we're looking
Speaker 1: at who's going to be here in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to the Dallas Cowboys and that secondary
Speaker 1: and I believe Rob Phillips is back here with us, Rob,
Speaker 1: I wanted to hear your answer to that question, growth
Speaker 1: or wins whenever it comes to the Cowboys in the
Speaker 1: final three games of the year, asking fans or the
Speaker 1: team asking, Well, that's up to you. Actually, I would
Speaker 1: say asking the team, And I mean just for you, Kyle,
Speaker 1: I think we need to cut the h the Herm
Speaker 1: Edwards quote and just use it over and over again
Speaker 1: play to win the game. I mean, like, I know
Speaker 1: the draft thing is important, and I know the Draft
Speaker 1: show is going to be fun this offseason, but like,
Speaker 1: they're trying to win games. They're trying that's what the
Speaker 1: team has to do. So, um, you know, whether they
Speaker 1: do that or not, I don't know. The odds of
Speaker 1: them winning this division are really short. So they're probably
Speaker 1: gonna get a top ten pick regardless. Um, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna try to win games, there's no question about that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how many of you'll get.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think I think you can try
Speaker 1: to accomplish both. And I think it comes down to
Speaker 1: the number of injuries they have. If you if you
Speaker 1: look at their roster, it's been saved four, four or
Speaker 1: five young guys. Man, they're they're playing all of them.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I think Trayvon digs A
Speaker 1: is a guy that can can accomplish both. For you
Speaker 1: comes back, he stabilized your secondary and you get in
Speaker 1: valuable reps. So I think it's probably the best of
Speaker 1: both worlds for a guy like him. You know, I
Speaker 1: gotta say to this guy's and we've been talking a
Speaker 1: lot about you know, players, guys that are going to
Speaker 1: be free agents next year, and then the questions are
Speaker 1: starting to be asked in the media about our coaching staff.
Speaker 1: This game versus the San Francisco forty nine US is
Speaker 1: going to be very important for our coaching staff because
Speaker 1: if you love XS and os, this is going to
Speaker 1: be a game to look out to watch, right because
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan in the zone offense and the zone running
Speaker 1: game against Mike Nolan, how does he attack attack that?
Speaker 1: And also on the other side, for Kellen Moore, versus
Speaker 1: Robert Sanley. I believe it's how you pronounced his last name.
Speaker 1: A guy that's going to be a front runner for
Speaker 1: a lot of head coaching jobs, and he has a
Speaker 1: ton of exotic looks that he's going to bring into
Speaker 1: this game that's gonna be troublesome for already depleted offensive line.
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited about this matchup from a coaching standpoint.
Speaker 1: The exs and oos and how we're going to attack
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine is defense, but obviously for us,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be shutting down the run, and I believe
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to take the approach that we took
Speaker 1: in the Vikings game, where Donovan Wilson was a big
Speaker 1: part of that, and so that's why getting him back
Speaker 1: is going to be very important because of the physicality
Speaker 1: that he does bring from the box safety position. With
Speaker 1: that being said, or I was gonna go to Isaiah here,
Speaker 1: but I kind of want to back off of that.
Speaker 1: But I like the way you kind of transitioned into that. Heckmu,
Speaker 1: because there has been some rumors around this coaching staff lately,
Speaker 1: and you heard Jerry Jones kind of back up Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: Yesterday we went into those guys a little bit or
Speaker 1: a little bit early on in the week. I can't
Speaker 1: remember if it was Monday or Tuesday that we talked
Speaker 1: about it, but the Jones family, the front office backing
Speaker 1: up Mike McCarthy. But there has been those rumors from
Speaker 1: Ian Rapperport. There have been the rumors from NFL Network
Speaker 1: that are saying that there are changes coming on the
Speaker 1: defensive side of the football. Isaiah, do you believe that's
Speaker 1: there's there's something ground into those rumors and if that,
Speaker 1: if so, is there a way to change that the
Speaker 1: final three weeks of the season. I do believe that
Speaker 1: there's some merit to those um to those rumors. I
Speaker 1: do believe obviously we talked about that think yesterday. I
Speaker 1: think that the defensive coordinator would not be retained this
Speaker 1: year going into the next season. I think that's a
Speaker 1: done deal. I I do believe that if somehow, some way, he,
Speaker 1: you know, coach Nolan finds a way to make this
Speaker 1: defense dominant, not just not just okay, not just hey,
Speaker 1: that was a good game, but if these guys are
Speaker 1: dominant over these next three games, if you see them
Speaker 1: build momentum, if you see them really adhere to his
Speaker 1: schemes and um and his and you know, and what
Speaker 1: he does on that side of the ball, I think
Speaker 1: there's a chance that he can save his job. Let's
Speaker 1: just let's just go ahead, and let's let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and just say that, hey, right now, as right now,
Speaker 1: his job is done. Right, he's gone. If you show me, right,
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm Jerry Jones, and you showed me
Speaker 1: that that these guys are going, these guys buy into
Speaker 1: what you're saying, if they buy into your to your schemes,
Speaker 1: if you get out of this dog on three four
Speaker 1: and they started hearing to your four or three and
Speaker 1: you start blitzing and applying pressure and you're able to
Speaker 1: shut down some of these opposing offenses over these next
Speaker 1: three weeks. I might give you a chance because you
Speaker 1: have face some adversity, right, But but we talked about it.
Speaker 1: If it's one thing for adversity to hit you, and
Speaker 1: if you just take it all in the face, right,
Speaker 1: and there's and then there's another thing for you to
Speaker 1: be like all right, stop, all right, and now let
Speaker 1: me now, now, let me find a way to keep
Speaker 1: pushing forward. And that's what I think more than anybody,
Speaker 1: more than anything, that everybody's looking forward. It's like, say,
Speaker 1: can you keep pushing forward? We know that you face adversity,
Speaker 1: we know that you that you're your guys did not
Speaker 1: pan out, But can you still find a way and
Speaker 1: and all as you you show that perseverance and that determination,
Speaker 1: I think guys are willing to give you a chance.
Speaker 1: But when you show contentment um, that's when that's when
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, I can't stick with you. I
Speaker 1: just got an image of like just mosquitoes flying around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just just just knocking them all away. It gets
Speaker 1: them off. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: for sure that he's gone. I mean I don't think
Speaker 1: the team hasn't indicated that obviously. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: think earlier in the week, I mean, they're gonna have
Speaker 1: hard conversations about what what happened here. And to Isaiah's point,
Speaker 1: you know when they had that stretch with Minnesota and
Speaker 1: really before that, Philly, Washington, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, that the defense
Speaker 1: was showing progress. You know, it was round Thanksgiving where
Speaker 1: they took a step backward, and I wonder, I do
Speaker 1: wonder how much of like the Ravens loss where they
Speaker 1: give up almost three hundred rushing yards again where you
Speaker 1: look at it and say, this is just isn't working,
Speaker 1: you know. And look, they're gonna have those conversations, what scheme, personnel,
Speaker 1: all those things. We'll see. You know, Mike McCarthy, they
Speaker 1: have so much faith in him and his voice and
Speaker 1: his opinion matters. Mike Nolan's his guy in terms of
Speaker 1: someone he's worked with, someone he trusts, that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's got a factor too. What Mike McCarthy wants to do. Um,
Speaker 1: So that'll be part of the discussion. But obviously it's
Speaker 1: something to talk about because of the amount of you know,
Speaker 1: troubles they've had and then a little bit of progress
Speaker 1: and then kind of right back to square one. Cincinnati
Speaker 1: was a step forward, and yeah, there are three games
Speaker 1: left to see, you know, what they can do and
Speaker 1: if they're if they are dominant down the stretch, then
Speaker 1: maybe that's enough equity where they feel like, Okay, give
Speaker 1: us a full offseason, we'll figure this thing out. A yeah,
Speaker 1: and I worry also about our defense. We've had you know,
Speaker 1: this this this thing where after a win we come
Speaker 1: back and we've we've given up a hundred and was
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirteen points after a victory. That's not
Speaker 1: that's not good. That's an average of forty points. So
Speaker 1: hopefully we don't have itis going into the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers game. And you know it's gonna be it's both
Speaker 1: of these coordinators have their hands filled with implementing a
Speaker 1: system today, their game plan today. So I'm just excited
Speaker 1: to see what Mike Nolan is gonna do because his
Speaker 1: back is against the wall. He has the league's worst defense,
Speaker 1: and it's it's gonna be reflective of him and what
Speaker 1: he does over the next couple of games. So I
Speaker 1: look for him to be aggressive. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of times in the Cincinnati game, especially when the quarterback
Speaker 1: was hurt, we still sat back and coverage and did
Speaker 1: not attack. And I understand that maybe the mind state
Speaker 1: of the defensive coordinator is, look, we got you know,
Speaker 1: we're got a double ditch lead here, let's not blow it.
Speaker 1: And sometimes, you know, you gotta show your guys that
Speaker 1: you're willing to allow them to be aggressive all the
Speaker 1: way through. And that's what Mike Nolan has to do
Speaker 1: specifically in this game because he's gonna get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to see that zone run which we did not measure
Speaker 1: up in the key the time game. So it's just
Speaker 1: gonna be the situation. We gotta we gotta come after.
Speaker 1: We gotta come after this offense. Man, and if we're
Speaker 1: going to have some success, well, what does buying in
Speaker 1: look like from the defensive standpoint. We're going to answer
Speaker 1: that question. We're gonna preview the San Francisco offense and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense when we come up on the other
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Speaker 1: analyst Heck Maharrisons driving the bus. But yeah, you like that,
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Speaker 1: So Cowboys defense, San Francisco offense. This is a San
Speaker 1: Francisco offense that is extremely banged up, missing multiple pieces
Speaker 1: on their offensive line. No starting quarterback in Jimmy Garoppolo.
Speaker 1: Nick Mullins comes in ten touchdown passes this year, but
Speaker 1: he also has ten interceptions and the two touchdowns that
Speaker 1: Washington scored the only two touchdowns that Washington scored against
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers last week, we're on an interception
Speaker 1: return for a touchdown and a fumble recovery out of
Speaker 1: the hands of Nick Mullins. So he has had some
Speaker 1: trouble holding onto the football. The Cowboys, of course, forced
Speaker 1: three turnovers against Cincinnati on Sunday. When can this defense
Speaker 1: find some success forcing turnovers against they banged up and
Speaker 1: pretty loose offense whenever it comes to hold on to
Speaker 1: the football. Yeah, I mean, that's that's a plan. And
Speaker 1: you saw, you know, take Lawrence and him creating those fumbles,
Speaker 1: and so hopefully because of the way that they laid
Speaker 1: the ball on the ground, that's something that we can
Speaker 1: we can repeat that performance. But guys. I know a
Speaker 1: couple of y'all eighties babies, but do y'all remember this
Speaker 1: forty nine is Cowboy rivalry and what it used to
Speaker 1: mean in the nineties. This used to be musty TV,
Speaker 1: Joe Money, Roger Craig Raffman. No, this was the game
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys may have had four Super Bowl
Speaker 1: champions had it not been for Dion Sanders in the
Speaker 1: past interference against Michael Lervin. But anyway, I just you know,
Speaker 1: look on defense has got there. They got their hands
Speaker 1: a field with this offense. But you said it, man,
Speaker 1: they are missing Jimmy g and I wish he would
Speaker 1: have gotten an opportunity to play. This was a game
Speaker 1: I had circle because of Dak and the contract and
Speaker 1: all of that. Jimmy Gee, what three years ago was
Speaker 1: the highest fad quarterback in the league. And so I'm
Speaker 1: just looking for this defense to make some advancements. Although
Speaker 1: they don't have Kittle, they do have Jordan Reid, who
Speaker 1: was a tight end for the Washington football team. You
Speaker 1: don't remember, he's given us fits for a number of years.
Speaker 1: And so there are some matchups that I look for
Speaker 1: in this game that I think are going to be
Speaker 1: pivotal for this team. And the two that I have
Speaker 1: is Trent Williams and Aldon Smith and Jalen Smith versus
Speaker 1: the fullback Kyle you check. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that in this football game that you got to
Speaker 1: just kind of circle and look at and because those
Speaker 1: are gonna be pinpointed after this game how we won
Speaker 1: or lost. I say, what matchups are you looking for
Speaker 1: in this game overall? Is it something with the fact
Speaker 1: of maybe a Jeff Wilson versus these linebackers by the way,
Speaker 1: Jeff Wilson a former member of the Me and Green.
Speaker 1: And then we've also got also got guys like Brandon Aiyuk.
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned him earlier, the rookie out of
Speaker 1: Arizona State. He's been have been quite the rookie season
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I'm not even too concerned about the
Speaker 1: individual battles. I'm more sore concerned about their um, their
Speaker 1: approach as a team and as an organization. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: HECKM already alluded to it about how physical they are.
Speaker 1: We haven't done good against physical teams. We just we
Speaker 1: just haven't, especially teams that are relentless and um in
Speaker 1: their pursuit to establish the ground game. These guys are
Speaker 1: going to run the ball. They don't have Jimmy g back.
Speaker 1: They're throwing the thing around, as you ready alluded to. Um,
Speaker 1: they do have Brandon Ayouk, but guess what, he gets
Speaker 1: the ball awful lot of play action, right, he gets
Speaker 1: the ball off a ton of play actions. So these guys,
Speaker 1: I'm more concerned about our offensive offense, their offensive line
Speaker 1: being able to establish the ground game and then what
Speaker 1: comes off of that. Obviously they have the matches, you know, Brandon,
Speaker 1: hopefully we can get some digs back and you have
Speaker 1: somebody to stand, you know, a bit of guard Ayuk
Speaker 1: Man a man. Jordan Reed obviously concerned about him. Um,
Speaker 1: he's been a sleeping giant. But we know what he's
Speaker 1: capable of. So there's definitely there's definitely some a couple
Speaker 1: of matchup opportunities there that we have to be aware of.
Speaker 1: But overall, I'm more concerned about this office a line
Speaker 1: collectively dominating our front seven. Right. Absolutely, you took my
Speaker 1: thunder as a because I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about that Cleveland game where you know there were breakdowns
Speaker 1: as a unit in the front seven just trying to
Speaker 1: stop the run, and what Cleveland tries to do use
Speaker 1: play play action off of that. That's what the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers want to do. It's it's that wide zone
Speaker 1: scheme and they're gonna pound you and pound you. If
Speaker 1: it's working, they're gonna do it over and over again.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the NFC Championship game last year.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo through eight passes and they put up thirty
Speaker 1: seven points, like in what's a passing league. Now, that's
Speaker 1: just how good they can be. Now, they've had some
Speaker 1: problems with the health of their running backs this year,
Speaker 1: and then you lose your quarterback and the running game
Speaker 1: hasn't been the same. Actually, I think it's actually ranked
Speaker 1: just below the Cowboys this year, but they're still capable
Speaker 1: of being productive in that area against the Cowboys defense
Speaker 1: that has struggled there obviously, and Mike Nolan spoke to
Speaker 1: this couple days ago that run defense is about everybody
Speaker 1: winning their individual assignments and their responsibilities. And if you
Speaker 1: get beat more than more than half, you know, five
Speaker 1: six times out of eleven, you're you're probably in big trouble.
Speaker 1: So they've just got to be sound as a unit.
Speaker 1: Man's that's been the key all year long to stop
Speaker 1: in the run game. All right, So I just kind
Speaker 1: of want to call all three of you guys out
Speaker 1: of one time here for just a split second. So
Speaker 1: I'm the one that's been talking about draft and I'm
Speaker 1: the one that's been talking about potentially losing the next
Speaker 1: three games and on having the best feel here. But
Speaker 1: you guys are the one that are talking up in
Speaker 1: offense that's not very good right now, to the point of,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, they're gonna run all over us. There's physicality,
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of different zone schemes and things like that.
Speaker 1: I know Kyle Shanahan's a fantastic coach, but this is
Speaker 1: not the same team that was in the NFC Championship
Speaker 1: game last year. They don't have Garoppolo, where he mosted
Speaker 1: is questionable, if anything, doubtful for Week fifteen. Deebo Samuel's out.
Speaker 1: I mean Tom Compton, their offensive guard is out. Harris
Speaker 1: Grouse or however you say his last name. The starting
Speaker 1: center is out. I mean, there's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: on this team that are banged up, that are hurt,
Speaker 1: that are not going to be here, So how do
Speaker 1: we expect them to be as physical Isaiah as they
Speaker 1: have been in the past. So just just a piggyback
Speaker 1: off of your point, I'm glad you brought all those
Speaker 1: things up. Right. These guys are still who they are,
Speaker 1: we are, they are who we think they are. That
Speaker 1: is is in their DNA. They are relentless in their
Speaker 1: pursuit to run the ball. They have eight yards last week.
Speaker 1: It well, look who they're playing. The play they played Washington.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're playing Washington. I mean and they I
Speaker 1: mean they're playing Washington. Look look what we do against Washington. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, regardless, these guys, these guys are consistent. So
Speaker 1: and even to your point, Yeah, they've had a bunch
Speaker 1: of injuries they've had They probably had more injuries than
Speaker 1: we've had. Honestly, umah, yeah, I mean they've they've lost
Speaker 1: more primetime guys than then we've lost. Maybe, as I said,
Speaker 1: we're right about the same. But but yet they still
Speaker 1: are trying to do the same exact things that they
Speaker 1: do and nothing's changed. They're not They're not all of
Speaker 1: a sudden throwing the ball all over the place. They're
Speaker 1: not all of a sudden, you know, just trying to
Speaker 1: change up what they do. They're not bringing a bunch
Speaker 1: of reverses and and fake punts and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. They are who they are, um, and that's
Speaker 1: that's to me, that's more dangerous than a team that's
Speaker 1: just trying to figure stuff out, just Willie Nearly trying
Speaker 1: to pull stuff out the back of the playbook. These
Speaker 1: guys are consistent. They know who they are and again
Speaker 1: this is in their DNA. Kyle, I have a rebuttal
Speaker 1: to your rebuttal. Do it. Let's go rebuttal to the butt.
Speaker 1: I got a butt to. But who picked against the
Speaker 1: Dallas Oh? Last week? I totally did talk about what
Speaker 1: was the Bengals record? Oh to nine one? Okay? And
Speaker 1: why did you pick against the Cowboys? Because I was
Speaker 1: mad at the Cowboys? Because you don't because maybe you
Speaker 1: don't take the motion out of the Kyle, you don't
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna get from a week to week.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's true. Yeah, and so, and I think I
Speaker 1: think that's what we're talking about. Like, to me, it
Speaker 1: doesn't number one. They they have shown they can run
Speaker 1: the football better than anybody in the league when they're
Speaker 1: when they're right number two for the for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it doesn't this year. It hasn't mattered who they're playing.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I was saying earlier. In terms
Speaker 1: of defensive if they're not sound with what they're doing
Speaker 1: assignment wise defensively, they can get run on. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's happened a lot of games this year. So
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: I will I will say this. They they are they
Speaker 1: kind of mirror the Cowboys in terms of the injuries.
Speaker 1: They don't have their quarterback. They can't stop turning the
Speaker 1: ball over. I think they turn the ball over at
Speaker 1: least twice in seven straight games. So if they do that,
Speaker 1: and if the Cowboys are able to capitalize on that,
Speaker 1: then the forty nine ers aren't giving themselves a chance
Speaker 1: to win. So that that's key. But but in terms
Speaker 1: of stopping the run, it's about the Cowboys. To me,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not so much just about the opponent. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I agree because I want to have a rebuttal
Speaker 1: to your rebuttal to my rebuttal. But yeah, whatever it comes,
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the Cowboys worst rushing defense performances.
Speaker 1: Who was it against It was against Cleveland, it was
Speaker 1: against Baltimore. And then throw in one more in there.
Speaker 1: It's just one more bad game against the run this year, Washington. Cool.
Speaker 1: That's fine. Great. So there's three right there, all the
Speaker 1: same schemes. What did those three teams have that San
Speaker 1: Francisco does not have. They had their starters, They had
Speaker 1: starting guys run against you. You had Nick yeah, but no,
Speaker 1: there no hang on, there were there were backs wear Jackson,
Speaker 1: and then you had Antonia running went out in the
Speaker 1: first quarter, Willow. They had their starters at one point
Speaker 1: of time in a game. But the guys who killed
Speaker 1: us were not their starters. It was Antonio Gibson, and
Speaker 1: it was for Washington, Gus Edwards. I will give you, okay,
Speaker 1: what about Cleve About Cleveland, it was Nick Chubb, Ka Hunt.
Speaker 1: It was not Kareem Hunt has been to a Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1: It was their thirst ring running back the head out
Speaker 1: Hunters there yards get us the Okay, what's the same, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it starts with those guys. First.
Speaker 1: You don't have that front line of events. You have
Speaker 1: guys that are just there. I love I mean, Jeff
Speaker 1: Wilson's gonna be the number one rusher in this game. Hey,
Speaker 1: are you scared of Jeff Wilson. Mike rob just said
Speaker 1: when he quoted the rock, it doesn't matter who's in there.
Speaker 1: It's about the scheme. Man. I mean, I understand where
Speaker 1: you're coming from college, and you know it makes sense,
Speaker 1: I believe if you just think about it long enough.
Speaker 1: But oh man, we went up against the Baltimore squad
Speaker 1: that was was you know, had injuries up front as well,
Speaker 1: and they were managed to run the ball on it.
Speaker 1: So you know, when you have a defense is giving
Speaker 1: up what we have over the course of the thirteen
Speaker 1: games that we played. Man, it's it's you. You cannot
Speaker 1: hope put your hat on one thing to say, okay,
Speaker 1: we can stop this running game. Even with the damage
Speaker 1: offensive line, even with the the game that doesn't look
Speaker 1: like it did last year. We still have to keep
Speaker 1: in mind that this teaming is ten months removed from
Speaker 1: playing in a Super Bowl, and I would say a
Speaker 1: quarter and a half away from actually winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So a lot of those pieces are still there. The
Speaker 1: mentality is still there. That's what That's what I believe.
Speaker 1: That's what the guys are talking about the culture, the
Speaker 1: DNA and what they are going to they are going
Speaker 1: to promise you when you line up against them is
Speaker 1: the fact they're gonna run the ball and they're gonna
Speaker 1: stay committed to that inside zone and it's just gonna
Speaker 1: be a game of attrition for your defense that you
Speaker 1: know we're weakest inside and guys are getting blown off
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Those things are still coming up
Speaker 1: on tape. You know, Hamilton is doing his best po
Speaker 1: impersonation on certain plays. So we have got to get
Speaker 1: those things shored up. And again we talk about momentum
Speaker 1: going into next season. This is a game where you
Speaker 1: have an a fist that presents that challenge and if
Speaker 1: you don't match it, you could get ran off the field.
Speaker 1: Even against the forty nine ers. I think this is
Speaker 1: a huge game whenever it comes to building that momentum
Speaker 1: and finding out exactly what you have not only personnel wise,
Speaker 1: but coaching wise. And that's what we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: when we come back after the break, is how can
Speaker 1: this coaching staff win the coaching battle against Kyle Shanahan
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Speaker 1: put it here on Talk a Cowboys final segment. Oh man,
Speaker 1: glad you're so you're still with us. If you're still
Speaker 1: with us, God bless you. I hope you have a
Speaker 1: fantastic day. Rob Phillips, Isaiah's dam back in professional football
Speaker 1: analyst heck Ma Harrison with us. Kyleie Olman's driving the bus,
Speaker 1: trying not to drive it off the tracks. But okay,
Speaker 1: we talked. We talked about this last segment, the coaching
Speaker 1: staff and the DNA, and certainly the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: do have that DNA, and Isaiah completely agree with you
Speaker 1: on that. Whenever comes to Kyle Shanahan and what he's
Speaker 1: begun to build out on the West Coast, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's done a great job of kind of turning that
Speaker 1: football program around or finding a way to the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl last year, and there's really no doubt in my
Speaker 1: mind that they're going to be back to that glory
Speaker 1: once they get some of these guys back and these
Speaker 1: injuries are are kind of rectified. But kind of tell
Speaker 1: me how the Cowboys can exploit Kyle Shanahan and how
Speaker 1: this Mike McCarthy LEDs to can have some success against
Speaker 1: the coaching staff as talented as this one. I think
Speaker 1: you have to just be relentless man. That's why I
Speaker 1: think we all said that Donifan Wilson's such an important
Speaker 1: pertin person to be on this on this side of
Speaker 1: the ball. For us, we have to be able to
Speaker 1: establish a form of physicality. We have to be able
Speaker 1: to establish the line of scrimmage. And in order to
Speaker 1: do that, you have to play downhill. You can't you
Speaker 1: can't catch people. You can't catch grown men and think
Speaker 1: that you're gonna that you're gonna impose your will. You
Speaker 1: gotta bust somebody to dog our mouth, bust them in
Speaker 1: their chin, make sure they have a hard chance trap
Speaker 1: on because you need to come downhill. It at them
Speaker 1: every play, play in play out, and they have to
Speaker 1: know that you're there for the whole game. So they
Speaker 1: has to start from the first snap. Um. And like
Speaker 1: I said, we're gonna talk about it in the film room,
Speaker 1: but you know, when you turn on the film and
Speaker 1: you watch, you know, the forty nine ers first play
Speaker 1: against Washington last week, they Diligneman, one of their office
Speaker 1: of alignement, turns back and completely just just destroys one
Speaker 1: of their one of Washington's linebackers, and they let they
Speaker 1: let them know, Hey, y'all might be a better team
Speaker 1: than us right now. But guess what, we we're here.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, We're here. We're physical. Um So,
Speaker 1: I mean that's what you're gonna get out of these guys.
Speaker 1: And like you said, it's in their DNA, and you know,
Speaker 1: with their GM being who he is, I think that
Speaker 1: you just know that you're gonna play a physical team,
Speaker 1: so you might night I gotta have any softies on
Speaker 1: that side of the ball. Rob Yeah, No, I mean
Speaker 1: that what they did, even without Donovan Wilson, DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: setting the tone being physical guys rallying to the ball.
Speaker 1: We mentioned we mentioned Antoine Woods macho man moment where
Speaker 1: they had like seven guys tackle p Ryan. Yeah, coming
Speaker 1: in off the top rowe and and you know Rachard
Speaker 1: Robinson laying a big hit Like that's the kind of
Speaker 1: physical mindset culture you're talking about. Kyle offensively, Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: said it on a call on Monday, He's got to
Speaker 1: do a better job calling plays in the red zone
Speaker 1: and getting the Cowboys in the end zone and stop
Speaker 1: kicking field goals. You know, a better day for Greg's rline,
Speaker 1: but you don't want him kicking three field goals, you know,
Speaker 1: and going two for four in the red zone. It's
Speaker 1: not just the red zone, it's goal to goal, goal
Speaker 1: to go situations. And I think more than anything, they
Speaker 1: miss Zach Martin and their veteran offensive line getting a
Speaker 1: push up front because it's just harder down there to
Speaker 1: get space. But that's got to be a key to
Speaker 1: finish your drives. That's been a problem all year long. Hey, Rob,
Speaker 1: that that what you just mentioned by Kelly Moore. I
Speaker 1: don't want people to look past that, right. I don't
Speaker 1: want people to look past the fact that he admitted it,
Speaker 1: right He's That's that's called accountability. And players, as much
Speaker 1: as players don't listen to what's going on in the media,
Speaker 1: when their coaches speak, they're listening, right, They're listening because
Speaker 1: they want to know are they pushing this off on
Speaker 1: us or are they going to own up to it
Speaker 1: and self critique themselves. So that's huge. Yeah, yeah, accountability
Speaker 1: has been a huge problem at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 1: And again, you know, when you go back over the record,
Speaker 1: and you look at certain games where we got our
Speaker 1: lunch taken right, and it's one thing to lose, but
Speaker 1: it's another thing to get the breaks beat up for you.
Speaker 1: And we've seen those games where it was just hopeless
Speaker 1: and we had nothing. And I just believe that that
Speaker 1: demoralizing feeling that that Cowboys as a as an organization
Speaker 1: has filmed. They're done with that, and I hope they're
Speaker 1: done with that, and hopefully that's a nasty taste in
Speaker 1: their mouth that they feel like, look, we can lose
Speaker 1: the game, right, but we're not gonna lose the fight.
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring it all, right, And that's what this
Speaker 1: kind of matchup is indicative of. Man, you have got
Speaker 1: to bring it in a game where you know that
Speaker 1: this is the other team. Their m and their DNA
Speaker 1: is to be physical for four quarters. You talked about
Speaker 1: the Washington football team game. You're right, even though Washington, Man,
Speaker 1: if you watch that game, Washington's just defensively is as
Speaker 1: dumbinated as any team in the league. But the forty
Speaker 1: ninets were like, look, y'all, just not gonna run over us,
Speaker 1: although they kind of ran over them, but the still
Speaker 1: you know, but the fight's still there. We try so
Speaker 1: we gotta have some of that this Sunday when you
Speaker 1: say that we are not literal anymore, well, and I
Speaker 1: think that's a huge credit to this coach because if
Speaker 1: you go back to the first Washington game, you were embarrassed,
Speaker 1: and every game before that it seemed like there was
Speaker 1: no fight. It seemed like there was no energy, there
Speaker 1: was no rallying to the football, and even after that.
Speaker 1: Sure there have been losses all the way through since
Speaker 1: that first Washington game, but really you started to see
Speaker 1: against Philadelphia the energy. You saw it against Pittsburgh again,
Speaker 1: you saw it again on Thanksgiving at least for three quarters.
Speaker 1: Then maybe that fourth quarter got away from you a
Speaker 1: little bit, and then even against Baltimore, I just don't
Speaker 1: think you were the better team in that regard. I mean,
Speaker 1: the energy has been there, and that's a credit to
Speaker 1: coach McCarthy, to his entire staff, and even coach Nolan
Speaker 1: on the fact of getting these guys ready and mentally
Speaker 1: ready to play to the point where they're not embarrassed anymore.
Speaker 1: They're out there making hits. Like rob said, you got
Speaker 1: guys like Richard Robinson stepping over guys that's the kind
Speaker 1: of swagger that you've been waiting to see from this
Speaker 1: Cowboys defense. You finally have gotten to see it over
Speaker 1: the last few weeks, and I think it continues to
Speaker 1: compound the rest of the season. Hopefully that's something you
Speaker 1: can take into twenty twenty one. But that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it here for this edition of Talking Cowboys. So glad
Speaker 1: you've been with us here over the last forty five minutes,
Speaker 1: and man, it's been a ton of fun all week long.
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