WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Defensive Identity? 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.680 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:19.040 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.479 screening live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:34.080 Star in Frisco. And now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:42.080 My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeoman's it's a Wensday 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.000 edition of Talking Cowboys here from the s WBC Mortgage 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:50.360 Studios virtually again as always, Glad you're with us here 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:56.800 on Talking Cowboys. And you know I would introduce Isaiahs 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:01.400 introduction already because of oh Man pre show antics or 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.200 something on this show that I will never ever ever 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.680 revealed to the public. But that's okay. Heck Ma Harrison, 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:10.520 Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back, Glad you're with us here 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.559 on this Wednesday. I hope you're having as much fun 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.720 as we are. We're gonna break down the San Francisco 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.440 forty nine ers as well as the Dallas Cowboys coming 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:23.680 up on Sunday. But guys, first off, glad you're with 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.280 us and hope you're having a great day. But Rob 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.800 kind of break down the fact that the Cowboys could 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:32.200 get some reinforcements back as soon as today on the 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.160 practice field, Mike McCarthy saying that secondary could see some 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.800 guys get back and healthy. Yeah, just real quick. Yeah, 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:41.080 we gotta stop the jokes. I guess right before because 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:45.160 Chris gets mad. Chris is yelling at us to stop 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.720 giggling because we got stand by. Yeah, stop it, stop 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.680 and stop it. Okay. Injury wise, yeah, it looks like 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.080 Cheeta Wuzier should be back to practice, which means taking 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:01.160 him off of reserve COVID list. McCarthy said Monday that 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:05.040 he definitely should be ready Wednesday, so that's good, and 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.840 some more help in the secondary. Potentially Trayvon Diggs who's 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:14.760 still on IR and Donovan Wilson as well could practice 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.560 as early as today. So for Diggs that would be 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.919 starting that through that three week window to get him 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.040 back with the fractured foot. So you know, hey, going 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.560 up against the forty nine ers team Sunday, could have 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.880 some healthy bodies back there in the secondary. That's good. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.160 How significant is that heckmanna get some some healthy bodies 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.480 backing into the picture on that secondary side of things. Yeah, 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.200 I'm really excited to hear about Donovan Wilson coming back 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.160 in his presence is solely missed on the defense. He has, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.480 you know, been a temple setter for our defense. As 0:02:48.520 --> 0:02:51.280 far as the physicality that he brings, I think Thompson, 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.400 you know, trying to fill in for him and some 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:56.880 of those sets that we have on defense where Donald 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.920 comes up kind of in the linebacker will or sam 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.800 Well will linebacker stands and he's so physical he's able 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.760 to do it well. And so hearing that he's going 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.640 to be back, and also Cheeto getting him back, it's 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.240 going to be very important. Um. But as far as 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.600 our rookie digs through the fractured foot, you know, just 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.880 let him heal up. Man. It's just I know that 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.160 we want to get more reps and see this guy 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.560 and he may end up coming back, but just for me, 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:28.440 caution is the best way to go for Diggs. Now, 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:29.800 it's good to hear that some of these guys are 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.760 coming back. I mean, you definitely, your your approach to 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.639 the game is a little bit different, Your effort levels 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.240 are a little bit different when you know that you 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.880 have your guys out there, uh, you know, kind of 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.920 doubling down on what Heck just said in terms of digs, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.800 I've had foot issues. I had to total as Frank, 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.240 and you're the foot is nothing to play with. If 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.720 he is, if he's not one, if he's like ninety, 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.480 you know, eighty five, then just let him let him 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.400 sit out the rest of the year. Um, you know that, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.680 you know that he's a cornerstone. I'm gonna call him 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.960 a cornerstone to this defense going forward. Is somebody that 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:02.920 you definitely going to be relying on and leaning on 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:05.240 heavily going into next year and the years beyond that. 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.320 So just make sure that he's one hundred percent healthy 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.440 prior to coming back. But in terms of the other guys, 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.000 you know, you did say Wilson, Wilson, we missed. We 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.560 missed him last week even though we are guys did Um. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.160 They came in and the form reincarnated form of Wilson 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.880 last week when they're coming out lading hitting guys. Um, 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:22.880 that's what we thought we were going to miss last game. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.880 But those guys decided to bring it. So if those 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:27.080 guys bring that same intensity and we have Wilson out 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.160 there coming down here, I think it's a whole it's 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.560 a completely different, completely different defense. Yeah, Isaiah, go for 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.960 a rob No I was just thinking, you're throwing some 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.080 elbow drops off the top rope for meet you get 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:40.600 the hit man back in the lineup, and man, you 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.839 got something cooking on Jim. It's a recipe for success. Now, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:47.359 I wanted to ask a couple either or questions, and 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:48.960 this first one has to deal with two of the 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.479 guys that we just talked about with Donovan Wilson and 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.560 Treyvon Diggs. Each young guys who saw quite a bit 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.440 of progression as the twenty twenty season went along. But 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.920 which one is more significant to return right now? Is 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.720 it Treyvon Diggs? I Mean, we talked about being safe here, 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.520 but I wanted to talk about in terms of growth 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.680 and reps over the past the final three games of 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:12.479 the season, is Wilson more important to return or Digs 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.400 more important to return? Isaiah, if we were kind of 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.200 coming back for this game, if all those guys are 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:21.800 one hundred percent, um, I think Wilson's physical presence is 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:25.160 something that's that's needed. Um. But again, if our defense 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.440 plays physical as he did last week, then is not 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.200 as needed as we would need Diggs? Right, we have 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.920 Brandon I coming in this week, and um, he's he's 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.360 a dude. He's a dude. He's he's a young cat. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.680 That's that's that's Torton Seemingly everybody that tries to guard him. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.400 So it would be nice to have somebody out there 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:42.720 that could put some hands on it and kind of 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.960 stick with him because he's been he's been running up 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.760 the dog on a scoreboard and that's not somebody that 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:52.120 we want to let loose this week. Yeah, I agree, 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.240 Isaiah Wilson would be the guy between those two simply 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.680 because of the physic the physicality of this game that 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.200 we're about to play. Mcnam think about it. We've been 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:05.560 talking about the culture for a lot of organizations and 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.000 Kyle Shanahan has done a really good job of implementing 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:13.120 that culture him and Lynch, the general manager, Lynch, and 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.320 so they have a culture that is physical. And every 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.479 time you play the forty nine ers, win, lose, a draw, 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.680 even all the injuries that they have, the one common 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.000 denominator for this team is going to be that they're 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.640 going to play physical football. And so our defense versus 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.000 that offense, we're gonna have to have guys like that 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.559 to shut down this run. And you talk about Brandon 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:34.240 i u Ki is going to be a nightmare for 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.120 our secondary. So having that push in the front seven 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:39.720 and also supporting cast behind, it's going to be very 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.839 important for this game. Yeah, I would agree. I'd say Wilson, 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.880 especially to against against their running game. You know, having 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.320 a box safety was physical. That's that's that's important for sure, 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.480 just for the rest of the season. Again, like like 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.400 you guys said, if Treyvon Diggs is one hundred percent, 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.680 they wouldn't put him out there. I don't think I 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.600 know they wouldn't, But you know, it's been I think 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.240 it's been about five and a half weeks since the 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:08.080 since the fracture he had. Um, you know, if he's 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.640 if he's ready, I think that's valuable for him. You know, 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.800 get him two or three games down the stretch here, 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.440 finish out the season, and just get him reps because, yeah, 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:18.640 he is a cornerstone. He's a guy that they expect 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.560 to be a starter here for a long time. And 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.360 as many snaps as a rookie can get, no matter 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.280 the stakes of the game, I think is really good 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:27.560 for him. So we'll see if he can do that. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.880 So my second either or question has to deal with 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.200 kind of the same, same sort of deal. But is 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.640 it more important that you get these guys back in 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:40.080 the final three weeks of the season for wins or 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.520 is it for growth? Which which one is more important 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.080 for these guys right now whenever it comes to getting 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.840 back into the pray, do you want them to come 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.200 back and win or do you want to come back 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:52.560 and see them grow? Heckma, the name of the game 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.520 is winning, Kyle, So we want to we want to, 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.240 we want to win. And you know the I think 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:02.280 Diggs has shown you we're traveling with number one receivers 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.000 his you know when he was in there that what 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.640 you have in him, you you have a fair assessment 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.760 of his abilities and so um, if he's not and 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.800 I understand, and I'm with Rob, if he's not one 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.880 hundred percent, he's not gonna play. But again, you know, 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:19.520 there's so much have been made about gaining momentum going 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:23.080 into next season. If that means anything, right, if it's 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.920 not lip service, then we have to get some wins 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.480 at least for this defense to start to feel good 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.240 about themselves going into the all season. They cleaned up 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.640 a lot of it. They don't look like the keystone 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:36.960 cops anymore moving around free snap. So I like that, 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.800 and so hopefully they didn't against Cincinnati, and look, we're 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.840 just all we can go off of is that last performance. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.440 And they did not look like Keystone cops there. And 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.760 so this team, though, Kyle Shanahan does a lot of motions, 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.880 and so we'll see if we're able to get set 0:08:53.960 --> 0:09:04.360 up in our alignments. Isaiah, what happens said? What Hecka said? Um, 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.920 you know, especially as we're talking about the physicality, that's 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.280 something that we'll touch on. You'll see on the film room. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.280 These guys there, they are physical. Um, they are physical. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.760 But as we talk about guys coming back for development 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.400 or guys coming back for a win, I think you 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:20.560 obviously you come back for a win, and you expect 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.559 development in that process. So you just put development into 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.880 underneath that umbrella. You know, if you're not playing, if 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.040 you're not playing to win, get out the game. Get 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.120 out the game. So you come back to play for 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:32.600 the WS, I don't care whether you have a shot 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.160 at the playoffs or not. You know, like as my 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.320 old coach, Coach Belichick said, you're out there to do 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:39.200 one thing, and if you're on offense, you're out there 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:40.679 to score points. You're on defense, you out there to 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.960 stop them, and you know, and altogether you come together. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.320 You can come out there to win games. And if 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:48.920 you're not doing that, you're in the wrong business. Rob. 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:55.200 I guess we lost Rob. So with that being said, 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.440 I mean we're talking about growth, we're talking about wins, 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.080 and sometimes it ends up being both. Whenever it comes 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.720 to the younger players on the back end, I mean, 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.440 they're not playing to lose the game. I mean, we've 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.400 talked about that already. You play to win the game, 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.400 and you have that kind of competitive edge. But from 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.000 a coaching staff standpoint, I think it's just as important 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:15.560 to see the growth. I mean, if you lose two 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.600 either of these next three to let's say you lose 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.000 to San Francisco and you lose to Philadelphia, but you're 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.200 able to shut down their offense, is to maybe under 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:28.120 twenty points, you can't get your offense off the ground, YadA, YadA. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.880 There's so many different scenarios here where you can see 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:34.720 some growth from these guys at cornerback that could potentially 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.960 allow you to more evaluate or more accurately evaluate these 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.960 guys going into twenty twenty one, which is pretty much 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.840 what we're doing right now right. I mean, we're looking 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.360 at who's going to be here in twenty twenty one. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.240 Whenever it comes to the Dallas Cowboys and that secondary 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.000 and I believe Rob Phillips is back here with us, Rob, 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.600 I wanted to hear your answer to that question, growth 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.160 or wins whenever it comes to the Cowboys in the 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:01.000 final three games of the year, asking fans or the 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:05.040 team asking, Well, that's up to you. Actually, I would 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.120 say asking the team, And I mean just for you, Kyle, 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.920 I think we need to cut the h the Herm 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.520 Edwards quote and just use it over and over again 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:17.120 play to win the game. I mean, like, I know 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.200 the draft thing is important, and I know the Draft 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.200 show is going to be fun this offseason, but like, 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.920 they're trying to win games. They're trying that's what the 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.400 team has to do. So, um, you know, whether they 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.480 do that or not, I don't know. The odds of 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.520 them winning this division are really short. So they're probably 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:35.200 gonna get a top ten pick regardless. Um, but they're 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.240 gonna try to win games, there's no question about that. 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:39.400 I don't know. I don't know how many of you'll get. 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:41.640 But you know, I think I think you can try 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:43.760 to accomplish both. And I think it comes down to 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.800 the number of injuries they have. If you if you 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:50.600 look at their roster, it's been saved four, four or 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:53.440 five young guys. Man, they're they're playing all of them. 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.760 So I think, you know, I think Trayvon digs A 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:58.760 is a guy that can can accomplish both. For you 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.559 comes back, he stabilized your secondary and you get in 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.640 valuable reps. So I think it's probably the best of 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.640 both worlds for a guy like him. You know, I 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:08.480 gotta say to this guy's and we've been talking a 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:10.719 lot about you know, players, guys that are going to 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.000 be free agents next year, and then the questions are 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.280 starting to be asked in the media about our coaching staff. 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.280 This game versus the San Francisco forty nine US is 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.840 going to be very important for our coaching staff because 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.720 if you love XS and os, this is going to 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.560 be a game to look out to watch, right because 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.440 Kyle Shanahan in the zone offense and the zone running 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:35.160 game against Mike Nolan, how does he attack attack that? 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.920 And also on the other side, for Kellen Moore, versus 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.679 Robert Sanley. I believe it's how you pronounced his last name. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.360 A guy that's going to be a front runner for 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.320 a lot of head coaching jobs, and he has a 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.360 ton of exotic looks that he's going to bring into 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:53.160 this game that's gonna be troublesome for already depleted offensive line. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.600 So I'm really excited about this matchup from a coaching standpoint. 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.320 The exs and oos and how we're going to attack 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.440 San Francisco forty nine is defense, but obviously for us, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.120 it's gonna be shutting down the run, and I believe 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.240 we're gonna have to take the approach that we took 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:12.400 in the Vikings game, where Donovan Wilson was a big 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.720 part of that, and so that's why getting him back 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.079 is going to be very important because of the physicality 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:23.040 that he does bring from the box safety position. With 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.719 that being said, or I was gonna go to Isaiah here, 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.120 but I kind of want to back off of that. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.840 But I like the way you kind of transitioned into that. Heckmu, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.160 because there has been some rumors around this coaching staff lately, 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.880 and you heard Jerry Jones kind of back up Mike McCarthy. 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:39.600 Yesterday we went into those guys a little bit or 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.600 a little bit early on in the week. I can't 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.600 remember if it was Monday or Tuesday that we talked 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.600 about it, but the Jones family, the front office backing 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.320 up Mike McCarthy. But there has been those rumors from 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.240 Ian Rapperport. There have been the rumors from NFL Network 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.680 that are saying that there are changes coming on the 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:59.160 defensive side of the football. Isaiah, do you believe that's 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.600 there's there's something ground into those rumors and if that, 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.080 if so, is there a way to change that the 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.800 final three weeks of the season. I do believe that 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.480 there's some merit to those um to those rumors. I 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.840 do believe obviously we talked about that think yesterday. I 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.040 think that the defensive coordinator would not be retained this 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.720 year going into the next season. I think that's a 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:28.000 done deal. I I do believe that if somehow, some way, he, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.960 you know, coach Nolan finds a way to make this 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:34.960 defense dominant, not just not just okay, not just hey, 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:36.720 that was a good game, but if these guys are 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.600 dominant over these next three games, if you see them 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.720 build momentum, if you see them really adhere to his 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.280 schemes and um and his and you know, and what 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.200 he does on that side of the ball, I think 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.760 there's a chance that he can save his job. Let's 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.320 just let's just go ahead, and let's let's go ahead 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.640 and just say that, hey, right now, as right now, 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.680 his job is done. Right, he's gone. If you show me, right, 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.320 if I'm if I'm Jerry Jones, and you showed me 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.480 that that these guys are going, these guys buy into 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.320 what you're saying, if they buy into your to your schemes, 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.000 if you get out of this dog on three four 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.200 and they started hearing to your four or three and 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.520 you start blitzing and applying pressure and you're able to 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.080 shut down some of these opposing offenses over these next 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:16.240 three weeks. I might give you a chance because you 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.200 have face some adversity, right, But but we talked about it. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.160 If it's one thing for adversity to hit you, and 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.120 if you just take it all in the face, right, 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:26.360 and there's and then there's another thing for you to 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.320 be like all right, stop, all right, and now let 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.360 me now, now, let me find a way to keep 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.560 pushing forward. And that's what I think more than anybody, 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:35.640 more than anything, that everybody's looking forward. It's like, say, 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.200 can you keep pushing forward? We know that you face adversity, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.160 we know that you that you're your guys did not 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.360 pan out, But can you still find a way and 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.080 and all as you you show that perseverance and that determination, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:48.800 I think guys are willing to give you a chance. 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.640 But when you show contentment um, that's when that's when 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.600 it's kind of like, I can't stick with you. I 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.480 just got an image of like just mosquitoes flying around. Yeah, 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:03.160 just just just just knocking them all away. It gets 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:09.240 them off. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I wouldn't say 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.600 for sure that he's gone. I mean I don't think 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.440 the team hasn't indicated that obviously. Like I said, I 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.480 think earlier in the week, I mean, they're gonna have 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.240 hard conversations about what what happened here. And to Isaiah's point, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:25.440 you know when they had that stretch with Minnesota and 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:30.760 really before that, Philly, Washington, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, that the defense 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.520 was showing progress. You know, it was round Thanksgiving where 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.560 they took a step backward, and I wonder, I do 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.560 wonder how much of like the Ravens loss where they 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.920 give up almost three hundred rushing yards again where you 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.840 look at it and say, this is just isn't working, 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:46.280 you know. And look, they're gonna have those conversations, what scheme, personnel, 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:50.400 all those things. We'll see. You know, Mike McCarthy, they 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.760 have so much faith in him and his voice and 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:56.160 his opinion matters. Mike Nolan's his guy in terms of 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.440 someone he's worked with, someone he trusts, that's you know, 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.600 that's got a factor too. What Mike McCarthy wants to do. Um, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.320 So that'll be part of the discussion. But obviously it's 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.959 something to talk about because of the amount of you know, 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.640 troubles they've had and then a little bit of progress 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:15.120 and then kind of right back to square one. Cincinnati 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.440 was a step forward, and yeah, there are three games 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.480 left to see, you know, what they can do and 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.639 if they're if they are dominant down the stretch, then 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.520 maybe that's enough equity where they feel like, Okay, give 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:30.920 us a full offseason, we'll figure this thing out. A yeah, 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:35.119 and I worry also about our defense. We've had you know, 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.400 this this this thing where after a win we come 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.879 back and we've we've given up a hundred and was 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.560 one hundred and thirteen points after a victory. That's not 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.320 that's not good. That's an average of forty points. So 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:53.480 hopefully we don't have itis going into the forty nine 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.320 ers game. And you know it's gonna be it's both 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.480 of these coordinators have their hands filled with implementing a 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:03.760 system today, their game plan today. So I'm just excited 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.159 to see what Mike Nolan is gonna do because his 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.080 back is against the wall. He has the league's worst defense, 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.640 and it's it's gonna be reflective of him and what 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.399 he does over the next couple of games. So I 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:17.239 look for him to be aggressive. There was a lot 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.320 of times in the Cincinnati game, especially when the quarterback 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.640 was hurt, we still sat back and coverage and did 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.280 not attack. And I understand that maybe the mind state 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.679 of the defensive coordinator is, look, we got you know, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.239 we're got a double ditch lead here, let's not blow it. 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.240 And sometimes, you know, you gotta show your guys that 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.879 you're willing to allow them to be aggressive all the 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.399 way through. And that's what Mike Nolan has to do 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.119 specifically in this game because he's gonna get an opportunity 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.760 to see that zone run which we did not measure 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:53.800 up in the key the time game. So it's just 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:58.040 gonna be the situation. We gotta we gotta come after. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.320 We gotta come after this offense. 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