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Speaker 3: Today's episode contained spoilers for all of Superman movies. Every
Speaker 3: Superman movie ever made, that's right, starting from nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: eight's Richard Donner Superman the Movie up through the Snyder
Speaker 3: Verse to get us ready for the new Superman movie
Speaker 3: by James Gunn. So be warned if you haven't seen
Speaker 3: those movies, we're gonna spoiler.
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Speaker 5: In today's episode, we are recapping Superman's major film appearances
Speaker 5: Busted than the Speeding Bullet, every single movie from nineteen
Speaker 5: seventy eight Superman.
Speaker 6: To the Justice League to get us ready for the majestic,
Speaker 6: hopeful hopefully blockbuster.
Speaker 7: Yeah, James Gunns Superman.
Speaker 1: Rosie, what are you?
Speaker 3: What's your what are your thoughts on the Superman films
Speaker 3: and what's your favorite one.
Speaker 5: Well, Okay, I grew up watching these movies, as I'm
Speaker 5: sure you did as well. They were constantly on TV.
Speaker 5: I have lots of good memories of them. I think that.
Speaker 7: I know them all really well.
Speaker 5: And I would say objectively, I think Superman one is
Speaker 5: probably the best one. But because I was a kid,
Speaker 5: the one that I loved was Superman three. It came
Speaker 5: out five years before I was born. It had Richard
Speaker 5: Pryor in it.
Speaker 3: It's the one that taught me about how to embezzle exactly.
Speaker 7: It's a big embezzling story.
Speaker 5: I just think that for some reason, there was something
Speaker 5: about like the kind of weird computer genius, like evil Tech.
Speaker 5: I think for me, it just really created a kind
Speaker 5: of it seemed fun. It was fun in a way
Speaker 5: that I think we've spoken.
Speaker 3: Recently about the cinematic history of the Black Hacker, and
Speaker 3: I think this is kind of the first one.
Speaker 7: Definitely, this is up there.
Speaker 5: And also that's another reason why I was very excited
Speaker 5: for Ironheart. Shak A Lay continues that, but this is
Speaker 5: definitely nineteen eighty three. I think this is the first
Speaker 5: one because my incredible friend James F. Wright actually has
Speaker 5: a brilliant zne abouts and uh, we kind of like,
Speaker 5: do you include a programmer like the guy in Tomine?
Speaker 7: Do you include?
Speaker 5: But this is like a true hacka hacka hacka and
Speaker 5: obviously it's Richard Prya, so it's Richard Priya hacka.
Speaker 1: How fun. He's wonderful.
Speaker 7: Okay, what about you, what's your favorite?
Speaker 3: It's probably gonna be Superman too, because, like you, these
Speaker 3: were always on I've probably seen them a.
Speaker 2: Billion million zillion times.
Speaker 3: And for me, the the big superhero fights between.
Speaker 1: Zod and the Versa and Non and.
Speaker 3: Superman that occur like all throughout Metropolis with like trucks
Speaker 3: getting thrown into buildings, it just seemed like the.
Speaker 1: Most incredible thing I'd ever seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's some wonderful twists and turns, and
Speaker 3: I love Gene Hackman in these worlds like this. I
Speaker 3: think this is kind of like my first introduction to
Speaker 3: Gene Hackman that makes Superman movies. So, uh, I just
Speaker 3: think he does He's like he's he does a character
Speaker 3: unlike any he's ever done four or since, and it's
Speaker 3: really fun and wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that let's go, let's still into it.
Speaker 3: Let's start with Superman nineteen seventy. It's Superman, directed by
Speaker 3: Richard Donner, is a film that nobody thought would be
Speaker 3: particularly anything, but Gene Hackman signed on and that got
Speaker 3: the film made Christopher Reeve wonderful as Clark Kenton Superman.
Speaker 3: Marlon Brando in a crazy in a from the neck
Speaker 3: up only basically boom.
Speaker 7: He said, he for me where I needed. Don't be
Speaker 7: bothered about it's pre zoom zoom.
Speaker 3: He's like probably filming in his underpads, you know, like
Speaker 3: we are worrying Covid.
Speaker 4: And Marvel Kidder.
Speaker 7: She's the lowest laying baby.
Speaker 1: That's like the good stuff.
Speaker 3: So we open on Krypton. It is a crystal world
Speaker 3: and it is falling apart. It's where we're right here.
Speaker 3: At the very very very end of Krypton, Jo l
Speaker 3: Marlon Brando and beautiful like disco armor, discuts his baby
Speaker 3: in a glowing bascinet, puts it on a space ship,
Speaker 3: shoots him out into space.
Speaker 2: The baby lands in.
Speaker 3: A smallville out in the middle of the country, and
Speaker 3: he is discovered in his little flying saucer by Mom
Speaker 3: pock Kent and They're like, this kid is special because
Speaker 3: he just lifted our truck like very easily, and so
Speaker 3: they immediately adopt the boy Clark. As he grows, he
Speaker 3: grapples with the fact that he's so different. He's got
Speaker 3: these powers, he's got to keep them hidden. He like
Speaker 3: secret leads them by like running faster than a speeding locomotive,
Speaker 3: and then pack Kent dies, making Clark very very sad.
Speaker 3: He discovers the glowing green crypton on crystal, which was
Speaker 3: like hidden in the barn, and he follows.
Speaker 1: The crystal to north, far far north. He takes a
Speaker 1: bus I know, like I like sure.
Speaker 3: I love that. That's the kind of public transport. I
Speaker 3: dream all this, like can I take public transport to
Speaker 3: and talk to He like all thea into the pole
Speaker 3: and walks walks, walks, walks, walks like up a glacier.
Speaker 3: And then when he gets to a certain spot, he
Speaker 3: throws this glow stick like out and it melts into
Speaker 3: the water underneath underneath the ice, and it builds the
Speaker 3: Fortress of solitude. And as it's building it, Clark has
Speaker 3: like zero. It's so funny. They cut back a different actor,
Speaker 3: like a younger actor than Christopher Reeve.
Speaker 1: They cut back to him and.
Speaker 3: He has like no reaction to this incredible thing he's watching.
Speaker 1: He's like, what's going on?
Speaker 3: It just bubbles up out of the ocean. And then
Speaker 3: here's where I'll pause and say this.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, let's stop, let's stop creepy. Listen.
Speaker 1: I love this movie, and I think.
Speaker 2: Formative movie.
Speaker 3: And we love, as everyone knows, practical effects. We talk
Speaker 3: about how great practical love them and and it's it's
Speaker 3: so wonderful when you see them balanced with good modern effects.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 3: But this is a film that will make you appreciate
Speaker 3: CG and what it's done for us. Because the Fortress
Speaker 3: of Solitude building scene looks like complete fucking ship. It
Speaker 3: looks like it's taking place like in a jacuzzi.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this movie is like extremely disco coded, Yes, extremely
Speaker 5: disco code.
Speaker 3: It's like there's lights under a jacuzzi and then somebody
Speaker 3: underneath is like pushing these plastic like crystal things up out.
Speaker 1: Of the water so that they look like they build
Speaker 1: a fortress of solitude.
Speaker 3: And if you show this to any like Zoomer who
Speaker 3: is not who is like raised on the Mandalorian, Yeah, kids,
Speaker 3: who was shocked when they rewatched twenty eight Days late
Speaker 3: recently and we're like, well, it looks like shit, why
Speaker 3: did they film it on this DV camera raised on
Speaker 3: the Mandalorian And like the Infinity saga, they will watch
Speaker 3: this scene in particular and be like, what are you
Speaker 3: guys serious? Like will you peasant? Like, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: what you watched. What is this poverty film that you
Speaker 3: were showing me at the time?
Speaker 7: I look very very informative.
Speaker 5: Absolute, Yes, it's not all. Not everything has aged well
Speaker 5: as the fantastic performance of Christopher Eve and Margot Kidd
Speaker 5: in these roles.
Speaker 3: So Clerk goes in. He talks to an AI version
Speaker 3: of his dad, Marlon Brando, who is like, what do
Speaker 3: you want to know? And then Marlon tells him everything
Speaker 3: Krypton and the powers and why he picked Earth and
Speaker 3: the Yellow Sun and all YadA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: He puts on the suit. It just kind of like
Speaker 3: he just kind of has it on and then flies
Speaker 3: for the first time and he becomes Superman. He goes
Speaker 3: to Metropolis where he gets a job at the Daily
Speaker 3: Planet as a cub reporter, and he immediately falls in
Speaker 3: love with Ace reporter Lois Lane an Ark and this
Speaker 3: is where you're like Man Christopher Reeve.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: The way he is able to like be Clark and
Speaker 3: be Superman and make that two distinctive characters just with
Speaker 3: his the way he kind of hunches or straightens his
Speaker 3: body is incredible. Yea, he is very bumbling, you know,
Speaker 3: in the presence of Lois. But then when she has
Speaker 3: a helicopter accident up on the roof of the planet,
Speaker 3: he springs into action saves her life with the iconic line.
Speaker 1: Delivered by Margot Kidder.
Speaker 3: After Superman says I got you catch catches her she's falling.
Speaker 1: She goes, oh no. He says, I've got you.
Speaker 3: Don't worry, I've got you, and she says, who's got you?
Speaker 3: And so he becomes an immediate sensation, starts doing like,
Speaker 3: you know, saving dogs and trees and doing things around
Speaker 3: Intropolis and Daily Planet.
Speaker 1: At her, Perry White is like, I want, I want
Speaker 1: everything you could give me a Superman. Does he sleep?
Speaker 3: How much does he sleep? What does he even for breakfast?
Speaker 3: Who does he love?
Speaker 7: How often does he go to the bathroom?
Speaker 1: You know, like he just wants everything.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Lex Luthor, Evil real estate villain, Time Ahead of
Speaker 3: its time living in a beautiful, palatial subterranean layer. He
Speaker 3: has an evil plan to nuke California off the map
Speaker 3: so that his land in Nevada becomes high priced beachfront property.
Speaker 3: Now it's incredible, ridiculous plane. I don't it's a great
Speaker 3: plan that's not a Superman kind of foils an early
Speaker 3: part of the plan, causing Lex to be like, I
Speaker 3: gotta get this guy out of the way. So he
Speaker 3: uses like a high frequency tone to draw Superman to
Speaker 3: his subterranean layer, where in deleted scenes that actually should
Speaker 3: have been in the movie, we watched his Lex like
Speaker 3: fires machine guns at.
Speaker 7: Him, and you see all the things that don't that.
Speaker 1: Don't work, flamethrowers.
Speaker 3: I can't believe they cut that scene out of the movie.
Speaker 3: But Superman gets in and he confronts Lex, and Lex
Speaker 3: is like, well, I look at this stand on this
Speaker 3: map of California, and I'm going to show you this
Speaker 3: whole plan that I'm doing, and guess what, you can't
Speaker 3: stop me because of this, and he pulls out kryptonite
Speaker 3: that he had He discovered kryptonite would affect Superman in
Speaker 3: this way, and he had he'd found a chunk of
Speaker 3: it and he put it on a necklace, and he
Speaker 3: pulls it out and puts it around super Kryptonite necklace
Speaker 3: and Superman gets very very weak, and then he pushed
Speaker 3: Superman into his underground swimming pool and Superman begins to
Speaker 3: sink to the bottom of the pool and drop. But
Speaker 3: because while this is going on, lexis hijacked to other missiles.
Speaker 3: They're being launched and one of them is headed to Hackensack,
Speaker 3: New Jersey, where miss Hesmacher, Lexi's assistant. Yes, very important
Speaker 3: character who is in the new James Gun movie and
Speaker 3: has been throughout the history of Lutha has been his
Speaker 3: girlfriend slash assistant, but who always seems to land on
Speaker 3: the side of good, and that is established ya. She's
Speaker 3: got a soft spot for Superman, who is very handsome.
Speaker 3: So when she finds out that one of the missiles
Speaker 3: is going to New Jersey and the other one, of course,
Speaker 3: is going to the San Andrea's Fault, she surprisingly dives
Speaker 3: into the pool, pulls the necklace off Superman and saves him,
Speaker 3: and while he's very very weak, kisses him a little.
Speaker 2: It's on the line. It's it's on the line.
Speaker 3: I mean he's adults like he's not in a good stake,
Speaker 3: but like he let die.
Speaker 1: But you know what, she's excited.
Speaker 3: She's very excited area and she says, just promise me,
Speaker 3: you'll save my mom first. So Superman flies off. He
Speaker 3: saves uh the New Jersey missile. First, he throws it
Speaker 3: into space. It blows up.
Speaker 5: It's fine, He's always throwing something into space. He's gonna
Speaker 5: be more thoughtful about that. Space is not just like
Speaker 5: a different ecosystem that's never gonna interact with, like not
Speaker 5: just your dumping grab eel musk.
Speaker 1: I mean, Superman, come on.
Speaker 3: He then flies to the San Andreas target and missile,
Speaker 3: but he can't get it.
Speaker 1: He can't get there in.
Speaker 3: Time, and it triggered. It blows up, it starts triggering
Speaker 3: the Lex earthquake, and the earthquake is like killing lots
Speaker 3: of people, and Lois is falling into a crevice that
Speaker 3: was created by the earthquake and she's gonna die. And Superman,
Speaker 3: seeing all this, and what's he gonna do, he decides
Speaker 3: to fly in the reverse direction of the Earth's orbit,
Speaker 3: thus causing the Earth to spin backwards for a little while,
Speaker 3: turning back time to give himself enough time to throw
Speaker 3: the missile out into space and everyone is saved, including
Speaker 3: Lois Lane. Now before we move on to Superman too,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of questions about this. Yes, is does
Speaker 3: is time only reversed around Earth or is it that
Speaker 3: why around the entire Solar system?
Speaker 5: Also how the people are, Like how did that affect
Speaker 5: people on Earth?
Speaker 7: Because I feel like physically, if.
Speaker 5: You're going so fast that you time back time, you're
Speaker 5: probably also going to like impact some living humans. But
Speaker 5: it's a classic moment, yeah, and also an establishing moment
Speaker 5: of how powerful Superman.
Speaker 3: Is if if he's doing it by spinning the Earth
Speaker 3: back the other way, wouldn't there be a moment as
Speaker 3: the Earth is kind of slowing in, you know, in
Speaker 3: its forward direction, and about it we all just.
Speaker 7: Like, yeah that we all.
Speaker 1: Just sty.
Speaker 3: Also, I want to say something that this movie establishes,
Speaker 3: aside from the fantastic eve Teshmey, who is actually created
Speaker 3: for this movie and then went on to be in
Speaker 3: the comics and in the continuing like Araverse and in
Speaker 3: James Gun's upcoming Superman, but also this establishes one of
Speaker 3: my favorite things about these movies that I think the
Speaker 3: modern movies have not continued, and I would like to
Speaker 3: see James Gun movie continue.
Speaker 1: Lois Lane, played.
Speaker 5: By Margot Kidder, is absolutely unhinged, like she will throw
Speaker 5: herself off a building just to get Superman to come
Speaker 5: and you know, get her and then like hold her to.
Speaker 1: Get the get the story, to get the story.
Speaker 3: So like I just want to say, I love unhinged
Speaker 3: Lewis Lane, who will.
Speaker 1: Like throw herself off a building.
Speaker 5: But yes, Superman too, Let's get to it, because I
Speaker 5: always remember the opening of this movie and just thinking
Speaker 5: it was so cool.
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing about the performance. But Margot
Speaker 3: Kidder of Lois Lane, who again wonderful. She's opened up
Speaker 3: about I think her her as many in the late
Speaker 3: seventies were doing dabbling into the substances, and so you
Speaker 3: get the feeling that she was, oh baby, she was
Speaker 3: really really excited during these films.
Speaker 7: Definitely she's loving our life.
Speaker 3: Next up Superman two Richard Donner and Richard Lester starring
Speaker 3: because the Gene Hackman turned stamp who Zod and of
Speaker 3: course Margot Kidder.
Speaker 1: Previously of course, we you know, we open like.
Speaker 3: In the in the immediate almost wake of cerment.
Speaker 1: During this missile into space.
Speaker 3: That missile which went out into space blows up, and
Speaker 3: it just so it's like the universe is.
Speaker 1: A huge place, huge, galaxy is huge.
Speaker 3: But by chance the blast wave shatters this space prison
Speaker 3: created on Krypton to house vicious Kryptonian war criminal General
Speaker 3: Zod and his two compatriots, the nonfable non and Ursa,
Speaker 3: his right hand lieutenant. Back on Earth, Clark is in
Speaker 3: Niagara Falls on assignment with Lois, and there's this very
Speaker 3: funny thing where they have to stay at this like
Speaker 3: Niagara Falls, like wedding overnightantic kind of hotel with a
Speaker 3: big heartbed and a big like and a jacuzzi and
Speaker 3: a fire pit and the in the room and all
Speaker 3: this stuff, and Clark is like saving Lois during different
Speaker 3: things during the day. And then but back at the
Speaker 3: hotel room, he falls into the fire pit and and
Speaker 3: Lois is like, oh my god, are you okay, and
Speaker 3: he's likely don't look at it, don't look. And then
Speaker 3: when he turns and she gets a look at him,
Speaker 3: she realizes, wait a second, you're fine. Hold on a second.
Speaker 3: He must be superman. And he's like, he takes off
Speaker 3: his glasses. Incredible, he takes off the glasses, stands up
Speaker 3: and you're like.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, he is, so he admits it.
Speaker 3: He takes her to the Fortress of Solitude, shows her
Speaker 3: all the stuff, all the crystals.
Speaker 1: Tells you about.
Speaker 7: Superman is like such a trusting guy.
Speaker 5: Like the moment he tells Lewis Lane, He's like, come
Speaker 5: to my secret portress, Come to my secret Antarctic fortress
Speaker 5: that was made of a disco jacuzzi, and see all
Speaker 5: my alien history. I'm gonna tell you everything. I'm like,
Speaker 5: come on, Beb, come on, Beb. She's not gonna betray you,
Speaker 5: but like off jump immediately She's tell everything exactly.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: She's kind of like the biggest The conversations around journalism
Speaker 3: and Superman are so interesting. So he shows her all
Speaker 3: the stuff and then he says, you know what for
Speaker 3: us to be together, basically like I've got.
Speaker 1: To be a human like you.
Speaker 3: So the for watch this, and he steps into this
Speaker 3: crystal phone booth and there's lights and there's sound and
Speaker 3: happening inside the phone booth, and when he steps out,
Speaker 3: he's just a guy, no powers anymore. They make beautiful,
Speaker 3: satisfying love in a white bed. I feel like if
Speaker 3: I'm Lewis Lane and I'm like falling, I'm like keep
Speaker 3: the super powers for the first time at least, like
Speaker 3: I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to die.
Speaker 7: Let's not like just let's just jump into it, like yeah, like.
Speaker 1: The don't just like become a human like guse by.
Speaker 3: The way, like we have to kind of get married now,
Speaker 3: and I'm not like I'm not getting married now.
Speaker 7: And I just get married to like some brat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, guys.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Zod lands on Earth and immediately he and his
Speaker 3: fellows realize that they're incredibly powerful because they with their
Speaker 3: heat eyes and they're just like, you know, cars are
Speaker 3: crashing into them and nothing's so they're like, you know what,
Speaker 3: why don't we just take over there? Everybody's so weak here?
Speaker 5: What do you just like take over the entire because
Speaker 5: it was like it's meant to be because hey, power
Speaker 5: us who.
Speaker 3: Runs this place? And they're like the president, they're great.
Speaker 1: They fly to watching the DC.
Speaker 3: Get into the White House, beat up everybody, the president.
Speaker 3: They're like smacking the president around a live TV. And
Speaker 3: then Zoon is like put the cameras on me, and
Speaker 3: he put the cameras on him and He's like, hey,
Speaker 3: I run this place. I am General Zoon. I run
Speaker 3: this place. Now, you will all kneel before. Kneel before.
Speaker 3: And Clark sees this on television in a diner where
Speaker 3: he just got beat up by like a regular guy.
Speaker 3: It's the random dude who was harassing Lois and Clark
Speaker 3: was like, hey, you don't do that, and the guy
Speaker 3: was like, oh yeah, watch this, and he beats the
Speaker 3: ship out of Clark and Clark realizes, fuck, I mean
Speaker 3: I fu becomes like Lois is like wiping the blood
Speaker 3: off his face with a navy He's like, damn, I
Speaker 3: was hasty. One thing I appreciate about these movies and
Speaker 3: movies of this era, man that was quick. There's not
Speaker 3: like he just tides to lose his powers. But you
Speaker 3: know what, immediately you get the scene in which he
Speaker 3: realizes that was mistaken, goes back.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's I need like two movies to explain.
Speaker 7: It's just that we don't need his number it.
Speaker 3: This doesn't need to be an entire act. You could
Speaker 3: just like make him go back and and I really
Speaker 3: appreciated that about this movie. So he goes back and
Speaker 3: goes back to the fortress of Solitude and kind of
Speaker 3: off camera becomes Supermanigan. Meanwhile, Lex loves what he's seeing
Speaker 3: from this Zod guy, so he breaks out of jail
Speaker 3: infiltrates the fortress, learns all about Superman, then goes to
Speaker 3: see Zod and was like, hey, Zod is by the
Speaker 3: way with his feed up like in the Oval office,
Speaker 3: like hang out just like love, you know, running things.
Speaker 3: And he's like, hey, Lex Luthor here and I've got
Speaker 3: some incredible information for you about a guy named Superman.
Speaker 3: He is from I believe the same planet as you,
Speaker 3: and you might know him. And they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I know that, I know his dad.
Speaker 1: We hate that guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so they yeah, So they fly to Metropolis
Speaker 3: to like take this guy out there and they're destroying
Speaker 3: the city and then Superman shows up. He's like hey,
Speaker 3: it's me, I'm here. Superman fights all three of them.
Speaker 3: It's an incredible fight, but it's becoming too destructive and
Speaker 3: Superman flies away and Zod is like, aha, the coward
Speaker 3: flees and they follow him back to the Fortress of Solitude,
Speaker 3: where Superman tricks everybody. He's like, okay, I will give
Speaker 3: if you will spare Earth like I will give up
Speaker 3: my powers. So he steps back into the crystal phone
Speaker 3: booth and then there's the lights, and then there's the sound.
Speaker 3: But crucially, the lights and the sound are happening outside,
Speaker 3: not inside the phone. And when he steps out, guess what,
Speaker 3: Zod and his buddies are depowered and like easily kills.
Speaker 1: I think he kills them in is he not? I
Speaker 1: think he.
Speaker 3: Throws them into like a bottomless smoke pit, and they
Speaker 3: they don't have anything.
Speaker 7: They never come back.
Speaker 3: They never come back, so they're just kind of dead.
Speaker 3: And so I think, listen, we're gonna go to break.
Speaker 3: But let's just think about that. Do we need to
Speaker 3: give Zack Snyder and Man of Steel a little grace?
Speaker 3: Considering in the previous Richard Donner led Superman to film
Speaker 3: a great sequel, Superman Kills Three.
Speaker 7: I will say I I nobody said a thing.
Speaker 5: I understand why people were upset, but I do agree.
Speaker 5: I am an I've written many articles about whether or
Speaker 5: not Batman kills and the truth is in the comics
Speaker 5: he does kill people. In the movies, he's definitely killing.
Speaker 5: And I think the reality is someone like Superman, even
Speaker 5: with the festive intentions, is sometimes gonna kill.
Speaker 4: Someone a cigarette break, and we're back with.
Speaker 3: Rosie's favorite, my childhood favorite, Superman three. Richard Lelier takes
Speaker 3: the rein starring Christopher Reeve, Richard.
Speaker 1: Prior on Jackie Cooper of.
Speaker 3: Course is Perrie White.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And so Richard Pryor is a computer genius, but he
Speaker 3: is always getting fired and he's he's he's got that
Speaker 3: problem where he's smarter than everybody else.
Speaker 1: He works with.
Speaker 2: He's smarter than his boss, and nobody likes that.
Speaker 1: So he gets fired.
Speaker 3: But then he stumbles into a job working for this
Speaker 3: evil tech computer company. And this guy wants to basically
Speaker 3: control the He wants to completely monopolize the world's supply
Speaker 3: of coffee, which is okay, bro all right, yes Webster
Speaker 3: like shure my guy. And by the way, this is
Speaker 3: the film for the first time where I where they
Speaker 3: use the exact bit that Richard Pryor uses in this
Speaker 3: to take the pennies from every paycheck and put it
Speaker 3: into a secret account. This is exactly the This is
Speaker 3: exactly uh the scheme from Office Space. Yes, and in
Speaker 3: fact they call it out that they were doing the
Speaker 3: exact thing from uh from Superman three.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is how we learned to embezzel bangs.
Speaker 3: So at the behest of this guy, Prior creates like
Speaker 3: a synthetic Kryptonite tar, and the tar causes Superman to
Speaker 3: become like a meana alcoholic dad.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, I'm like is this I'm like, is
Speaker 5: this where they got that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 7: Is this like concurrent with Black Suit Spider Man.
Speaker 5: I'm feeling like there's a lot of Similaritiesier he.
Speaker 3: Gets like stubble on his face and he's like a dick,
Speaker 3: and he goes to bars and he's date he causing
Speaker 3: problems like flicking peanuts. Also interesting caninical choice here because,
Speaker 3: as you will discover from reading the comics and especially
Speaker 3: in terms of what the Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow story
Speaker 3: taught us, this was before the kind of established canon
Speaker 3: of like Cryptonians can't really get drunk on a Yellow
Speaker 3: Sun planet because they're constant, their body's constantly healing.
Speaker 5: And reviving themselves. So this was pre that, So a
Speaker 5: rare Superman getting drunk, though I guess the Kryptonite tar
Speaker 5: is the reason. But yes, very hilarious and outrageous and
Speaker 5: very like venom coded, very very.
Speaker 3: Venom coded So Superman is goes around and he's doing
Speaker 3: all this like really dick shit he's blowing. He blows
Speaker 3: out the Olympic flame as like the guy is about
Speaker 3: to light the flame during the Olympic ceremonies.
Speaker 1: He straightens the leaning.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that bit I always remember as a
Speaker 3: kids like no Joe. So at the behest of the
Speaker 3: evil CEO tech villain Richard Pryor creates a supercomputer that
Speaker 3: he's gonna use for his grand like coffee scheme. And
Speaker 3: this supercomputer, they lose control of it. It becomes like
Speaker 3: kind of like alive that it becomes the ultimate computer.
Speaker 3: And uh, it like turns a woman into a cyborg
Speaker 3: by like it's a really bizarre fashion that is like
Speaker 3: caused to brings to mind like Metropolis by exceptionally strange movie,
Speaker 3: very very strange movie. It like swallows her up and
Speaker 3: like this like computer tape like covers her and then
Speaker 3: she turns into like this kind of cyborg woman.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Superman saves the day.
Speaker 3: By like dumping acid that he got from a chemical
Speaker 3: plant on this computer, and he fixes all the things
Speaker 3: that he did. Uh, and Gus gets a new life
Speaker 3: in West Virginia. Because he wasn't really a bad guy.
Speaker 3: He was just like kind of in bad circumstances and
Speaker 3: everything's factly and.
Speaker 1: We move on too.
Speaker 3: Superman four The Quest for Peace. This is a dumb
Speaker 3: movie and kind of the worst of them. Jpury directed, also.
Speaker 5: Like very Orbits time and kind of like weirdly trying
Speaker 5: to answer the question of like what would Superman really
Speaker 5: try and do? But you probably think about that because
Speaker 5: he's Superman, babe, Like he's not, he doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: Superman saves some Russians and then later he like decides,
Speaker 3: because of a message Juicy's getting from various people, that
Speaker 3: he should like try and make sure that like World
Speaker 3: War three, a nuclear war never happens.
Speaker 1: Kids are skeed of.
Speaker 5: War, and a kid writes him letter and it's like,
Speaker 5: nucleip war is bad, get rid of every nuke, which
Speaker 5: you know, great kid instinct that but not realistic to
Speaker 5: this the kind of cultural movement of the time.
Speaker 3: Yes. So meanwhile, Lenny, the I believe nephew of Lex
Speaker 3: Luthor breaks his uncle Lex out just kind of for kicks.
Speaker 3: They go to Metropolis. Lex gets a hold of some
Speaker 3: of Superman's hair and in an early scene of dna
Speaker 3: use ye. He creates this super villain using radioactivity. And
Speaker 3: this guy is Nuclear Man, who's basically you know, he's
Speaker 3: this is what I love about this era. You know,
Speaker 3: he's edgy and bad because he has a mullet.
Speaker 8: He has a mullet, baby crazy, which is also hilarious
Speaker 8: because that again very influential on the comics because then
Speaker 8: later on you will get mullet Superman in his black
Speaker 8: suit absolutely yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 3: So he's got that black Shazam kind of suit and
Speaker 3: he looks like a WWE wrestler, and he's got definitely
Speaker 3: does kind of Palpatine powers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yellow Palpatine powers.
Speaker 3: And he's very very strong, but he needs to stay
Speaker 3: in the sun kind of like Superman. He draws his
Speaker 3: power from the sun, but and his body is a
Speaker 3: nuclear reactor. But like when he's out of direct sunlight,
Speaker 3: unlike Superman, who like can store it like a battery.
Speaker 3: When he's out of it, he like powers down. So
Speaker 3: I'm an oymous weakness for Nuclear Man. Nuclear Man and
Speaker 3: Superman get in a little fight and Nuclear Man scratches Superman,
Speaker 3: which gives Clark like some kind of radiation disease, and
Speaker 3: then he gets like very very weak and very very
Speaker 3: weak and then old again, a kind of imagery that
Speaker 3: we will see in the comics a lot of times
Speaker 3: with Superman, like you know, getting wilted and shrunken and
Speaker 3: like yeah, and so he gets very very old.
Speaker 1: But then he heals himself.
Speaker 3: He fights radiation Man on the moon and the daily
Speaker 3: planet building, and like a bunch of other stuff happens,
Speaker 3: and then finally Superman throws Nuclear Man into a nuclear
Speaker 3: reactor and the day is saved. He gives a big
Speaker 3: speech about hey, nuclear war, we can't let it happen,
Speaker 3: and then he flies off, and.
Speaker 5: I also like, guess what, Yeah, they literally call make
Speaker 5: it happen because you threw all the nukes into space,
Speaker 5: which I feel like is also going to have like
Speaker 5: a terrible impact.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean in its own way, like you
Speaker 1: break it, you bought it.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that wasn't good, but also like, let's
Speaker 3: just keep an eye on what's going on. And it
Speaker 3: must have been very very harrowing because when we come
Speaker 3: back to Superman and Superman Returns directed by uh Oh
Speaker 3: Bryan Singer uh Oh, starring Kevin Spacey and Brandon Rowld,
Speaker 3: who's wonderful.
Speaker 7: And lovely guy.
Speaker 3: Perfect Superman casting. I'm so sorry it was in this movie,
Speaker 3: but I love.
Speaker 7: That he was able to literal monsters.
Speaker 5: It was like, I am so glad he got to
Speaker 5: come back in the Hour of Us and kind of
Speaker 5: reclaim this kind of space.
Speaker 3: But yeah, just no, So whatever happened in Quest for
Speaker 3: Peace and that the fallout from that must have been
Speaker 3: extremely tiring, because we discovered that Superman just basically.
Speaker 1: Retired after a while.
Speaker 3: He's gone and has not been seen for five years
Speaker 3: because I guess he's just running around dealing with the
Speaker 3: fact that he destroyed everybody's nukes. Anyway, Lois now has
Speaker 3: a kid and a fiance. Say she married to a
Speaker 3: different guy, Lex.
Speaker 1: K Lex Lewis that crazy costing?
Speaker 3: We see Lex sadly Kevin Spacey. He steals crystals from
Speaker 3: the Fortress of Solitude to do something with Clark is
Speaker 3: back of the Daily Planet and he's looking kind of
Speaker 3: heartbroken and sad but basically just being Clark now. And
Speaker 3: he does become Superman again when Lex's experiments with the
Speaker 3: Fortress of Solitude crystals cause a massive power outage, which
Speaker 3: causes the plane which is carrying the Space Shuttle which
Speaker 3: is carrying Lois Lane with a test flight to crash,
Speaker 3: so Superman has to come back Shades of his first
Speaker 3: rescue of Lois Lane from nineteen seventy eighth. Superman in
Speaker 3: the helicopter, now in a plane which is Piggybaggy Space Shuttle,
Speaker 3: he saves her. It's actually like a very The Superman
Speaker 3: scenes in this are wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I save like he's.
Speaker 5: Sequence, everyone's happy, and then they kind of try and
Speaker 5: set up like a potential sequel with introducing the fact
Speaker 5: that like it's Lois and.
Speaker 7: Clock Son appearing.
Speaker 3: We discover along with Lex because when he pulls out
Speaker 3: this kryptonite it seems like it's affecting this child. We
Speaker 3: discover that supermana Lowess had a sun what what. So
Speaker 3: one of Lex's the big plans to kill Superman this
Speaker 3: time is he drops a mountain of kryptonite on him
Speaker 3: of like lab grown, like lab diamond grown, but kryptonite grown.
Speaker 1: Kryptonite on Superman. It's generally a mountain of.
Speaker 3: Kryptonite and it crushes him and he drops into the sea,
Speaker 3: but it has you know, gets pulls the kryptonite out
Speaker 3: of his shoulder that had pierced him, and he like
Speaker 3: gets some of his strengths back and then using like
Speaker 3: mud and earth like as a buffer, which I don't
Speaker 3: think this would be.
Speaker 1: I don't think this would whack.
Speaker 5: I think this was an illfow out chrystonite planic.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is what it works.
Speaker 3: Also, like it's Superman, you can just make up something cool, babe,
Speaker 3: like ye, like he's just like covering out with mad.
Speaker 3: He uses earth like a layer of earth is a buffer,
Speaker 3: and he lifts the mountain of kryptonite up into space
Speaker 3: once again, throwing his problems in the space.
Speaker 7: The Superman stop it, it's bad.
Speaker 3: He throws it out of the space, but the effort
Speaker 3: almost kills him. When he wakes up in the hospital,
Speaker 3: he finds that Lois is there with his son, and
Speaker 3: we are to assume, because we don't know what happens,
Speaker 3: that they.
Speaker 1: Are back together again.
Speaker 3: And it certainly seems like that from what happens with
Speaker 3: the husband and all that stuff we don't know.
Speaker 1: Fast forward too.
Speaker 3: Twenty Thirteen's imperfect, but at times I think pretty entertaining
Speaker 3: at least some of the action.
Speaker 1: I really.
Speaker 5: It look whatever, all the all the drama, all the
Speaker 5: feelings that people have about this. It is a totally
Speaker 5: different take on Superman. It's very much in the This
Speaker 5: is a man who'd already made a Watchmen movie.
Speaker 1: At this point.
Speaker 5: We know that he loves scrimm and gritty, he loves stark,
Speaker 5: and I do remember at the time there was a
Speaker 5: I was very excited, and I remember there was a
Speaker 5: great conversation kind of in the comic shop about like, Okay, well,
Speaker 5: we are living in a like a post nine to
Speaker 5: eleven world. We are living in a space where like
Speaker 5: there is a growing hatred and fear of people that
Speaker 5: are not deemed as being like from where you're from.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting to see Superman basically like treated as
Speaker 3: an alien. I remember that was like a big kind
Speaker 3: of thing people were interested to see.
Speaker 1: Obviously as well, Henry Carville.
Speaker 5: Looks like Superman, but English Superman very controversial because Superman
Speaker 5: is this Midwestern boy.
Speaker 1: You know. I thought he was wonderful and so ripped,
Speaker 1: and you know.
Speaker 3: He looks like a little kids perfect drawing up some
Speaker 3: absolutely and when you see him in the suit for
Speaker 3: the first time, you're like, oh, yeah, so starring Henry
Speaker 3: cavill Amy Adams as lois Michael Shrandon with a incredible
Speaker 3: score by Hans wonderful, crazy score. Hans is really in
Speaker 3: his bag when he's in the Night of Us. He
Speaker 3: absolutely really funny, incredible, wild themes that are just so good.
Speaker 3: We open on Krypton, and you know what's going on
Speaker 3: on kryptonop It is fucked, folks. It is falling apart.
Speaker 3: But Jorell rides like a dragonfly. Now, so that's really cool.
Speaker 3: And he's been trying to tell everybody, like, we.
Speaker 1: Got this problem. The Krypton is gonna fall apart.
Speaker 3: Nobody understands it but him, And we also get more
Speaker 3: of an idea of like political issues happen within Crypton. Yes,
Speaker 3: General Zod is part of like this very very like
Speaker 3: uh ultra conservative faction who wants to seize power in Krypton.
Speaker 1: But of course Krypton's falling apart.
Speaker 3: So Jorell, who I forgot to even mention Jorell keeping
Speaker 3: the legacy of like incredible cameos is Russell.
Speaker 7: Crowe is keeping that it's keeping it going.
Speaker 3: So Jorell, uh, you know, sends his son to space
Speaker 3: and kal El clarklands in Kansas. He's adopted by Jonathan
Speaker 3: and Martha Kent. My mom's absolute favorite person in the world.
Speaker 3: Kevin Costner.
Speaker 7: Yes, mom loves Cabin cost.
Speaker 3: Loves I don't know if I have how much I've
Speaker 3: talked about this, but let me just tell people. My
Speaker 3: mother has been involved in a very intense one way
Speaker 3: crush with Kevin Costner since the eighties. She loves Kevin
Speaker 3: Costner watches Yellowstone. I was gonna say, yeah, absolutely Yellowstone.
Speaker 3: She told me about Yellowstone. I didn't know what it
Speaker 3: was and was very shattered when he decided to leave
Speaker 3: the show. Diane Lane, the Wonderful Diane Lane is Martha Kent.
Speaker 3: This is a star studed affair. So you know, Clark
Speaker 3: has his powers, but he's got to keep him secret.
Speaker 3: It's that whole thing. And then he basically decides, you
Speaker 3: know what, I'm just because these are it's gonna be
Speaker 3: hard to stay in one place with these powers.
Speaker 1: He just becomes.
Speaker 3: Like like Bruce Banner in The Hulk television show, kind
Speaker 3: of like a wandering strong guy doing heroic acts secretly,
Speaker 3: like particularly in the North regions up in Canada and stuff,
Speaker 3: saving men from oil dereks and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Lois Lane is sent to investigate the emergence of apparent
Speaker 3: aliens like on Earth. The Kryptonian Scoutship has entered Earth.
Speaker 3: Clark enters the ship disguised as a worker and he
Speaker 3: figures out, oh, this is where I'm from, and in fact,
Speaker 3: and that's my dad he's talking to me, and now
Speaker 3: i'm and that's a suit for me, and he puts
Speaker 3: it on, and he figures out his powers and he
Speaker 3: flies for the first time in a sequence that is
Speaker 3: actually really great, Like I think if you were just
Speaker 3: gonna pull superhero scenes, like best superhero scenes of the
Speaker 3: last whatever thirty years, I think Henry Cavill flying for
Speaker 3: the first time, Yeah, is pretty pretty pretty good. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: Zod and his people arrive also on Earth, and they
Speaker 3: get the powers and they just start fucking wrecking shop.
Speaker 1: They're beating up like Mike.
Speaker 3: Just like so good too. He is just like the
Speaker 3: weirdest choice. I mean totally commits and I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: And he just starts like they just start wrecking shop
Speaker 3: all of it. They're just destroying shit, killing like army
Speaker 3: guys left and right, throwing tanks around, throwing helicopters around
Speaker 3: the entire US military cannot stop them, and they have
Speaker 3: this cannot stop to create to use this very very
Speaker 3: powerful like terraforming device and their ship to turn Krypton
Speaker 3: into turn Earth into new Krypton, which of course God
Speaker 3: will rule.
Speaker 1: This will of course destroy the Earth.
Speaker 3: And they turn it on and it starts destroying lots
Speaker 3: of stuff, and like Metropolis is falling apart, Superman flies
Speaker 3: into action. There's a incredible fight that absolutely detonates.
Speaker 1: A good portion of Metropolis.
Speaker 3: Rosie estimated casualties in this unbelievable, Like you're talking about
Speaker 3: like hundreds of thousands of people, and.
Speaker 5: Certainly it must be at least in the thousands when
Speaker 5: it comes to casualties.
Speaker 1: And this is a question.
Speaker 5: This is the I think, let's not say the problem,
Speaker 5: but this is one of the prices you have to pay.
Speaker 7: For doing a realistic, more grounded version.
Speaker 3: Is when you're in a city that clearly looks like
Speaker 3: a city that we recognize, that has real buildings and
Speaker 3: we know has we've as people who've lived through real crisises,
Speaker 3: you could you are thinking like, this is a lot
Speaker 3: of people who are dying at this point.
Speaker 7: So honestly, does.
Speaker 5: The controversial ending which we're about to talk about really
Speaker 5: matter if there's already been thousands of people killed as
Speaker 5: collateral damage.
Speaker 1: That's up to what you.
Speaker 7: Think about Superman and how he would deal with his issues.
Speaker 3: I think if you told me fifty thousand to eighty
Speaker 3: thousand dead in Metropolis, I believe it would that would
Speaker 3: make sense because multiple buildings pancake, there's a huge crater.
Speaker 1: In the middle of the city, like the city is Detroit,
Speaker 1: it's not gone.
Speaker 3: Well, no, so Superman before he faces Zod, he manages
Speaker 3: to get the rest of his army sent to the
Speaker 3: Phantom Zone. He arrives, he fights Zod. They end up
Speaker 3: in the train station where Zod is about to fry
Speaker 3: like innocent people with his heat beams, and so Clark
Speaker 3: snaps his neck.
Speaker 1: And this was.
Speaker 3: Very, very controversial. I agree that it's Also it's not
Speaker 3: how Superman would actually do it. Yes, I'm like, surely
Speaker 3: he could just send him to the Phantom Zone too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't think he would do it like this. I
Speaker 3: also feel like real Superman would have taken Zod out
Speaker 3: into space or the moon or something to fight him
Speaker 3: there there.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 5: Actually also and in the comics, I believe he did
Speaker 5: kill Zod on the moon at one point.
Speaker 1: So pre crisis.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is one of those interesting things where
Speaker 5: I just deeply love the fact that people have so
Speaker 5: much faith and hope and like put so much of
Speaker 5: themselves into Superman that this was like really striking for them.
Speaker 5: But you know, it is like in comics, he definitely
Speaker 5: was killing people in the Golden Age, throwing people off roofs.
Speaker 3: He's killed Bizarro, he kills he kills three Kryptonians, yes,
Speaker 3: at least.
Speaker 5: One, and also like you know, he had to kill Doomsday,
Speaker 5: you know, but so it's not that shocking. But I
Speaker 5: think what is shocking is kind of seeing the moment
Speaker 5: that he breaks his neck in this like very brutal,
Speaker 5: very interpersonal way, and then he kind of has this
Speaker 5: scream and it really did it.
Speaker 7: It's a very phantom menace.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean Revenge of the sif Like, no, yeah,
Speaker 5: very interesting choice. And I think this is where you
Speaker 5: start to see the split between like those who believe
Speaker 5: Superman is this kind of hopeful symbol and those who
Speaker 5: are trying to watch like a grounded what would it
Speaker 5: really be like if he was here.
Speaker 3: Yes, so, and Superman saves the day and goes to
Speaker 3: work at the Daily Planet and as a war.
Speaker 2: We go to Batman v. Superman Dawn of Justice.
Speaker 1: David s.
Speaker 3: Goyer back on the script, picking up the reins that
Speaker 3: he had previously been holding for a Man of Steel.
Speaker 1: He's joined by Chris Terrio.
Speaker 3: Of course, Zack Snyder continues to be the director, and
Speaker 3: now we enter the as Like.
Speaker 7: Era but flock bats look so long.
Speaker 1: Story short. Lex Luthor.
Speaker 3: Manipulates Batman and Superman into hating each other and getting
Speaker 3: in a big fight. Batman has to make a suit
Speaker 3: in order to be able to deal because he's old.
Speaker 7: He's like twenty years old. This is the very long
Speaker 7: Night Ratuns.
Speaker 3: He has to be able to deal with Superman. Also
Speaker 3: Luthor again using Superman by Jesse Eisenbachi wonderfully played.
Speaker 1: I think by Jesse Isabers.
Speaker 7: I think he's channeling Gene Hackman. Yeah, Mark Zuckerbug, and
Speaker 7: I like it.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna like So he creates a genetic monster
Speaker 3: from the body of Zod and also like his own
Speaker 3: body to you know, create this like threat, and Superman
Speaker 3: and Batman figure out that they've been pitted against each other,
Speaker 3: and they fitted out and they and they kind of
Speaker 3: bond over the fact that.
Speaker 6: This.
Speaker 5: I have to say, David Escoya, you've been on the podcast,
Speaker 5: come back on the podcast, because this is actually, I
Speaker 5: think one of the most genius connections agree nobody else. Like,
Speaker 5: we literally talk about this stuff every single day. At
Speaker 5: the time this movie came out, I was working at
Speaker 5: the cinema and literally we were talking about these movies,
Speaker 5: about comic books, everything, And somehow when Nay said Martha.
Speaker 1: What did you say that name?
Speaker 7: Some reason, I had never really clocked that both of
Speaker 7: their mums were called Martha. So, David Eskoya, good for you.
Speaker 3: Like, this is a hilarious, hilarious scene, but also like
Speaker 3: an incredible little subtle thing that for some reason, we
Speaker 3: never talked about. I did the same thing watching this movie.
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is a bad movie. Whatever, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: enjoy it. But when the Marsa thing happened, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: that's good.
Speaker 7: How is he that score?
Speaker 1: See?
Speaker 7: How did we never work that before? But it is hilarious.
Speaker 7: Would you say that name?
Speaker 5: Also, my other favorite bit in this movie, which comes
Speaker 5: from the kind of DC, was very much trying to
Speaker 5: make their own MCU. At this point, they're trying to
Speaker 5: branch out. So one of my favorite moments is when
Speaker 5: you know, Wonder Woman arrives and you get that great
Speaker 5: junkie xel hans Zima score dinner. It's like she's like
Speaker 5: a rock star something. But Batman like does the secret
Speaker 5: mission and basically just like steals like a USB drive
Speaker 5: that has YouTube videos on it, and he's like watching
Speaker 5: YouTube videos.
Speaker 7: He's like the Flash YouTube video, the da Coman YouTube video.
Speaker 7: And I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: But good for you, guys.
Speaker 7: I love this.
Speaker 1: This is crazy.
Speaker 3: Oh god, and I should we should note that twenty
Speaker 3: sixteen's Captain America Civil War kind of rips off the
Speaker 3: Martha thing.
Speaker 1: Oh that's actually a good point.
Speaker 3: Controversial we've got let's just acknowledge it and listen.
Speaker 1: The history of these.
Speaker 3: Two franchises constantly, Yes, these ip generating machines, they're always
Speaker 3: ripping each other of Oh.
Speaker 7: Baby, it is kind of the same.
Speaker 1: Plot turn for the Island of.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 7: But yes, Luther's plan is happening.
Speaker 5: His plan was doomsday, which if you read the comics
Speaker 5: you probably saw that coming.
Speaker 3: Diana shows up, they fight, the Doomsday, they beat it
Speaker 3: and Superman dies.
Speaker 1: Oh no, how can it happen?
Speaker 7: How could happen?
Speaker 5: But don't worry, because there's a post credit s dun
Speaker 5: dun dud d And you start to hear a little.
Speaker 7: And you realize, actually, Superman's just chilling, and that coffin
Speaker 7: he's just and yeah.
Speaker 1: So here we go.
Speaker 3: It's set Snyder's fucking Justice.
Speaker 5: League twenty seventeen and twenty twenty one. There was four
Speaker 5: years in between that we had to deal with all
Speaker 5: of that, and it's happening. Directed Justice League twenty seventeen,
Speaker 5: director by Jack Snyder and Joss Whedon.
Speaker 3: Let's not forget. They put him in, they pour him in,
Speaker 3: and the people didn't like it. Tout sprinkle some of
Speaker 3: that magic mcu dust on our It didn't work on
Speaker 3: our DC verse, it didn't quite work. Superman is dead,
Speaker 3: Earth's vulnerable. Batman puts together the Justice League.
Speaker 5: Incredible Jason Momoa sequence where he came out of the
Speaker 5: water and Nim.
Speaker 7: And Bruce are like bad Eye. Also, I just want
Speaker 7: to say something.
Speaker 5: I don't think I think we've talked about this before.
Speaker 5: I don't think this is particularly controversial. Obviously, I'm not
Speaker 5: a surprised twist here. I'm not talking about Corman. We
Speaker 5: know how much I love about Corman. But actually, when
Speaker 5: I go back and watch these movies, which I have
Speaker 5: to do a lot with this kind of you know pudding,
Speaker 5: I think Ben Affleck is actually really good at being Batman.
Speaker 5: I like this old Batman, but I wish that it's
Speaker 5: a different space. This is one of those movies where
Speaker 5: Batman is killing so many people, Like, he is killing
Speaker 5: so many people.
Speaker 3: He's got guns on the Batman bile, He's shooting up
Speaker 3: that's he's killing everyone. It seemed to me at the
Speaker 3: time like heavily influenced by the Arkham interpretation interpret interpretation
Speaker 3: of Batman, in which I mean Batman is absolutely breaking
Speaker 3: people people, fracturing skulls and like driving people off buildings. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so like it's that level of of Batman. Anyway, So
Speaker 3: Steppenwolf has a mother Box and that's really bad, and
Speaker 3: so the the the Nascent Justice League, Diana Cyborg, Batman,
Speaker 3: Barry Allen are like, well, there's we're good, but like
Speaker 3: without Superman, what are we gonna do? So we got
Speaker 3: to resurrect him. So they resurrect Clark, but he's like,
Speaker 3: doesn't remember anything about what is He's basically just like
Speaker 3: he's like a baby who's got Superman Palace, which is
Speaker 3: very dangerous, very very dangerous. But listen, finally they all
Speaker 3: get together. That's I mean basically that what happens is, uh,
Speaker 3: they all get together, Clark remembers who he is, they
Speaker 3: fight Steppenwolf, and they win. Let's eventually escapes, and that's
Speaker 3: meant to set up the you know, the upcoming Justice
Speaker 3: League movies, along with a little cameo in the Injustice League,
Speaker 3: you know, trying to do that. But oh yes, as
Speaker 3: the Jared Joker is in there somehow given job like
Speaker 3: the stuff, they get a little Martian Manhunter a cameo.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, uh, we've.
Speaker 7: This twenty twenty one, it's done.
Speaker 5: It exists, it's out there. You can watch that, you
Speaker 5: can watch both versions of it. And now four years later,
Speaker 5: we're entering into this new universe of gods and monsters with.
Speaker 7: James Gunn Superman. Okay, Jason, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 5: Is there something you want to see in a James
Speaker 5: gun in James Gunn Superman movie that you have never.
Speaker 7: Seen in any of these other movies.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, we're getting Crypto. That's what I was
Speaker 3: gonna say. I want to see that side. I want
Speaker 3: to see the cute side, the wild side, the crypt
Speaker 3: And yeah, I love Crypto. I think that's a great call.
Speaker 5: I want to see that love between Superman and his
Speaker 5: family and the people he chooses to be in his family,
Speaker 5: the dog and I agree.
Speaker 1: And the comic version.
Speaker 3: Listen, the Fortress of Solitude was always very in the
Speaker 3: Donner movies. It's there's nothing in there. There's like no
Speaker 3: furniti anything, there's.
Speaker 1: No Hall of Trophy.
Speaker 7: It's not cozy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's none of the stuff like in the comics.
Speaker 3: You go in there and it's like a playland. You know,
Speaker 3: it's Superman's back, It's Superman's batcave. Yeah, there's this shrunken
Speaker 3: city in a bottle. There's all the trophies, there's like
Speaker 3: you know, like all his uh androids and stuff. There's
Speaker 3: so much stuff in there.
Speaker 1: His lab is like research lab.
Speaker 3: And so I'm really eager, and I know we're going
Speaker 3: to go in there and see some of that, So
Speaker 3: I'm really eager to see that.
Speaker 1: I think that what about you do you have any
Speaker 1: particularly like, you know, what I want to see.
Speaker 5: I want to see uh Lois and Clark with that chemistry.
Speaker 5: I feel like we haven't gone that for a long time,
Speaker 5: where there's that real like here at two people, the
Speaker 5: immovable Object and the unstoppable Force, you know, coming together.
Speaker 7: I love that.
Speaker 5: I'm excited to see Jimmy Olsen. I'm excited to see
Speaker 5: more in the Daily Planet, which is something we haven't
Speaker 5: really gotten a lot since the original Donna movies. We
Speaker 5: did get a little bit of that, and I will
Speaker 5: say something that they got right about Lois in the
Speaker 5: Snyder stuff is like.
Speaker 1: She's un him.
Speaker 5: She's going to the craziest, most deadly places because she
Speaker 5: knows Superman will show up. I just want to see
Speaker 5: a loving, hopeful Superman. I want to be back in
Speaker 5: that more positive world. I want to see these crazy
Speaker 5: kind of characters and adventures. So I'm just really excited.
Speaker 5: Four years is not a long time between Superman movies,
Speaker 5: as you can see from like, you know, two thousand
Speaker 5: and six is like almost you know, twenty years after
Speaker 5: the last Donna movie, and then two thousand and six
Speaker 5: to twenty thirteen. This is one of the shorter amounts
Speaker 5: of time between these kind of new, different iterations. But
Speaker 5: I feel like in that four years, so much happened,
Speaker 5: the world change.
Speaker 1: We're all still living through it.
Speaker 5: So I'm excited to see this kind of new, hopefully
Speaker 5: kind of positive Superman that we can hold on too.
Speaker 5: I also, I just think that David quarant So it's
Speaker 5: like such good Superman class thing.
Speaker 1: He's giving me great, it's giving pure clock.
Speaker 7: So I'm just excited to see.
Speaker 5: I also want to know how James Gunn is going
Speaker 5: to solve the glasses issue, because he said he's gonna
Speaker 5: solve it.
Speaker 7: He said it's gonna happen. What's he gonna pull from?
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be controversial? Is it not the people
Speaker 3: other than me even care. I don't know, but I'm excited.
Speaker 3: And it's so close now. I mean, we're like three
Speaker 3: days away from the end of June and then boom,
Speaker 3: July eleventh, that's when we get Superman.
Speaker 1: We will be of course covering Superman.
Speaker 3: With our reactions and getting you ready to watch it,
Speaker 3: and Rosie's gonna be having giving you some omnibi to
Speaker 3: get us ready for that.
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