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Speaker 3: Today's episode contained spoilers for all of Superman movies. Every

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Speaker 3: Superman movie ever made, that's right, starting from nineteen seventy

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Speaker 3: eight's Richard Donner Superman the Movie up through the Snyder

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Speaker 3: Verse to get us ready for the new Superman movie

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Speaker 3: by James Gunn. So be warned if you haven't seen

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Speaker 3: those movies, we're gonna spoiler.

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Speaker 4: Hello.

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Speaker 3: My name is Jason Conceptio and I'm Mersey Night, and

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Speaker 3: welcome back to the x ray vision of the podcast

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Speaker 3: will be dive. It's your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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Speaker 3: pop culture coming from our podcast or bring you episodes

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Speaker 3: every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Plus all summer long.

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Speaker 3: We're highlighting the summer's biggest movies every Friday with our

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Speaker 3: Popcorn pop Out series, plus news news on Saturday.

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Speaker 5: In today's episode, we are recapping Superman's major film appearances

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Speaker 5: Busted than the Speeding Bullet, every single movie from nineteen

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Speaker 5: seventy eight Superman.

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Speaker 6: To the Justice League to get us ready for the majestic,

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Speaker 6: hopeful hopefully blockbuster.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, James Gunns Superman.

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Speaker 1: Rosie, what are you?

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Speaker 3: What's your what are your thoughts on the Superman films

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Speaker 3: and what's your favorite one.

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Speaker 5: Well, Okay, I grew up watching these movies, as I'm

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Speaker 5: sure you did as well. They were constantly on TV.

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Speaker 5: I have lots of good memories of them. I think that.

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Speaker 7: I know them all really well.

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Speaker 5: And I would say objectively, I think Superman one is

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Speaker 5: probably the best one. But because I was a kid,

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Speaker 5: the one that I loved was Superman three. It came

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Speaker 5: out five years before I was born. It had Richard

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Speaker 3: It's the one that taught me about how to embezzle exactly.

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Speaker 7: It's a big embezzling story.

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Speaker 5: I just think that for some reason, there was something

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Speaker 5: about like the kind of weird computer genius, like evil Tech.

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Speaker 5: I think for me, it just really created a kind

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Speaker 3: Recently about the cinematic history of the Black Hacker, and

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Speaker 3: I think this is kind of the first one.

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Speaker 7: Definitely, this is up there.

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Speaker 5: And also that's another reason why I was very excited

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Speaker 5: for Ironheart. Shak A Lay continues that, but this is

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Speaker 5: definitely nineteen eighty three. I think this is the first

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Speaker 5: a brilliant zne abouts and uh, we kind of like,

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Speaker 5: do you include a programmer like the guy in Tomine?

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Speaker 5: But this is like a true hacka hacka hacka and

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Speaker 5: obviously it's Richard Prya, so it's Richard Priya hacka.

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Speaker 1: How fun. He's wonderful.

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Speaker 7: Okay, what about you, what's your favorite?

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Speaker 3: It's probably gonna be Superman too, because, like you, these

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Speaker 2: Billion million zillion times.

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Speaker 3: And for me, the the big superhero fights between.

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Speaker 3: Superman that occur like all throughout Metropolis with like trucks

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Speaker 3: I love Gene Hackman in these worlds like this. I

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Speaker 3: Let's start with Superman nineteen seventy. It's Superman, directed by

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Speaker 3: the film made Christopher Reeve wonderful as Clark Kenton Superman.

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Speaker 3: And we love, as everyone knows, practical effects. We talk

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Speaker 3: looks like it's taking place like in a jacuzzi.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this movie is like extremely disco coded, Yes, extremely

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Speaker 3: It's like there's lights under a jacuzzi and then somebody

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Speaker 3: And if you show this to any like Zoomer who

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Speaker 5: Absolute, Yes, it's not all. Not everything has aged well

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Speaker 5: as the fantastic performance of Christopher Eve and Margot Kidd

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Speaker 3: So Clerk goes in. He talks to an AI version

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Speaker 3: He puts on the suit. It just kind of like

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Speaker 3: The way he is able to like be Clark and

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Speaker 3: How much does he sleep? What does he even for breakfast?

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Lex Luthor, Evil real estate villain, Time Ahead of

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Speaker 3: But Superman gets in and he confronts Lex, and Lex

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Speaker 3: that he had He discovered kryptonite would affect Superman in

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Speaker 3: He takes her to the Fortress of Solitude, shows her

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Speaker 3: And so Richard Pryor is a computer genius, but he

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00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: is always getting fired and he's he's he's got that

442
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 3: problem where he's smarter than everybody else.

443
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: He works with.

444
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 2: He's smarter than his boss, and nobody likes that.

445
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: So he gets fired.

446
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 3: But then he stumbles into a job working for this

447
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: evil tech computer company. And this guy wants to basically

448
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 3: control the He wants to completely monopolize the world's supply

449
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: of coffee, which is okay, bro all right, yes Webster

450
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: like shure my guy. And by the way, this is

451
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: the film for the first time where I where they

452
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: use the exact bit that Richard Pryor uses in this

453
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 3: to take the pennies from every paycheck and put it

454
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,719
Speaker 3: into a secret account. This is exactly the This is

455
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: exactly uh the scheme from Office Space. Yes, and in

456
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: fact they call it out that they were doing the

457
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 3: exact thing from uh from Superman three.

458
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is how we learned to embezzel bangs.

459
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 3: So at the behest of this guy, Prior creates like

460
00:25:53,640 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 3: a synthetic Kryptonite tar, and the tar causes Superman to

461
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: become like a meana alcoholic dad.

462
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 6: I know.

463
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, I'm like is this I'm like, is

464
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 5: this where they got that?

465
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: Like?

466
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 7: Is this like concurrent with Black Suit Spider Man.

467
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 5: I'm feeling like there's a lot of Similaritiesier he.

468
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: Gets like stubble on his face and he's like a dick,

469
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: and he goes to bars and he's date he causing

470
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: problems like flicking peanuts. Also interesting caninical choice here because,

471
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: as you will discover from reading the comics and especially

472
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 3: in terms of what the Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow story

473
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: taught us, this was before the kind of established canon

474
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 3: of like Cryptonians can't really get drunk on a Yellow

475
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: Sun planet because they're constant, their body's constantly healing.

476
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 5: And reviving themselves. So this was pre that, So a

477
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 5: rare Superman getting drunk, though I guess the Kryptonite tar

478
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 5: is the reason. But yes, very hilarious and outrageous and

479
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 5: very like venom coded, very very.

480
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: Venom coded So Superman is goes around and he's doing

481
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: all this like really dick shit he's blowing. He blows

482
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: out the Olympic flame as like the guy is about

483
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: to light the flame during the Olympic ceremonies.

484
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: He straightens the leaning.

485
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that bit I always remember as a

486
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 3: kids like no Joe. So at the behest of the

487
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: evil CEO tech villain Richard Pryor creates a supercomputer that

488
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 3: he's gonna use for his grand like coffee scheme. And

489
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: this supercomputer, they lose control of it. It becomes like

490
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 3: kind of like alive that it becomes the ultimate computer.

491
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: And uh, it like turns a woman into a cyborg

492
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: by like it's a really bizarre fashion that is like

493
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: caused to brings to mind like Metropolis by exceptionally strange movie,

494
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: very very strange movie. It like swallows her up and

495
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 3: like this like computer tape like covers her and then

496
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 3: she turns into like this kind of cyborg woman.

497
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: Anyway, Superman saves the day.

498
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: By like dumping acid that he got from a chemical

499
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: plant on this computer, and he fixes all the things

500
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: that he did. Uh, and Gus gets a new life

501
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 3: in West Virginia. Because he wasn't really a bad guy.

502
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 3: He was just like kind of in bad circumstances and

503
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: everything's factly and.

504
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: We move on too.

505
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: Superman four The Quest for Peace. This is a dumb

506
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: movie and kind of the worst of them. Jpury directed, also.

507
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 5: Like very Orbits time and kind of like weirdly trying

508
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 5: to answer the question of like what would Superman really

509
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 5: try and do? But you probably think about that because

510
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,959
Speaker 5: he's Superman, babe, Like he's not, he doesn't exist.

511
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: Superman saves some Russians and then later he like decides,

512
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: because of a message Juicy's getting from various people, that

513
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: he should like try and make sure that like World

514
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: War three, a nuclear war never happens.

515
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: Kids are skeed of.

516
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 5: War, and a kid writes him letter and it's like,

517
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 5: nucleip war is bad, get rid of every nuke, which

518
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 5: you know, great kid instinct that but not realistic to

519
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 5: this the kind of cultural movement of the time.

520
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 3: Yes. So meanwhile, Lenny, the I believe nephew of Lex

521
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: Luthor breaks his uncle Lex out just kind of for kicks.

522
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: They go to Metropolis. Lex gets a hold of some

523
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: of Superman's hair and in an early scene of dna

524
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: use ye. He creates this super villain using radioactivity. And

525
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: this guy is Nuclear Man, who's basically you know, he's

526
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: this is what I love about this era. You know,

527
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: he's edgy and bad because he has a mullet.

528
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 8: He has a mullet, baby crazy, which is also hilarious

529
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 8: because that again very influential on the comics because then

530
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 8: later on you will get mullet Superman in his black

531
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 8: suit absolutely yeah, very interesting.

532
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 3: So he's got that black Shazam kind of suit and

533
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: he looks like a WWE wrestler, and he's got definitely

534
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: does kind of Palpatine powers.

535
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yellow Palpatine powers.

536
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: And he's very very strong, but he needs to stay

537
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: in the sun kind of like Superman. He draws his

538
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 3: power from the sun, but and his body is a

539
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: nuclear reactor. But like when he's out of direct sunlight,

540
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: unlike Superman, who like can store it like a battery.

541
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 3: When he's out of it, he like powers down. So

542
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: I'm an oymous weakness for Nuclear Man. Nuclear Man and

543
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: Superman get in a little fight and Nuclear Man scratches Superman,

544
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: which gives Clark like some kind of radiation disease, and

545
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: then he gets like very very weak and very very

546
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: weak and then old again, a kind of imagery that

547
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: we will see in the comics a lot of times

548
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: with Superman, like you know, getting wilted and shrunken and

549
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: like yeah, and so he gets very very old.

550
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: But then he heals himself.

551
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: He fights radiation Man on the moon and the daily

552
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 3: planet building, and like a bunch of other stuff happens,

553
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: and then finally Superman throws Nuclear Man into a nuclear

554
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: reactor and the day is saved. He gives a big

555
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: speech about hey, nuclear war, we can't let it happen,

556
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: and then he flies off, and.

557
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 5: I also like, guess what, Yeah, they literally call make

558
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 5: it happen because you threw all the nukes into space,

559
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 5: which I feel like is also going to have like

560
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 5: a terrible impact.

561
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean in its own way, like you

562
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: break it, you bought it.

563
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that wasn't good, but also like, let's

564
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 3: just keep an eye on what's going on. And it

565
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: must have been very very harrowing because when we come

566
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: back to Superman and Superman Returns directed by uh Oh

567
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: Bryan Singer uh Oh, starring Kevin Spacey and Brandon Rowld,

568
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: who's wonderful.

569
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 7: And lovely guy.

570
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: Perfect Superman casting. I'm so sorry it was in this movie,

571
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: but I love.

572
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 7: That he was able to literal monsters.

573
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 5: It was like, I am so glad he got to

574
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 5: come back in the Hour of Us and kind of

575
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 5: reclaim this kind of space.

576
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, just no, So whatever happened in Quest for

577
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: Peace and that the fallout from that must have been

578
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: extremely tiring, because we discovered that Superman just basically.

579
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: Retired after a while.

580
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 3: He's gone and has not been seen for five years

581
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: because I guess he's just running around dealing with the

582
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: fact that he destroyed everybody's nukes. Anyway, Lois now has

583
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: a kid and a fiance. Say she married to a

584
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: different guy, Lex.

585
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: K Lex Lewis that crazy costing?

586
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 3: We see Lex sadly Kevin Spacey. He steals crystals from

587
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: the Fortress of Solitude to do something with Clark is

588
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: back of the Daily Planet and he's looking kind of

589
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: heartbroken and sad but basically just being Clark now. And

590
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: he does become Superman again when Lex's experiments with the

591
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 3: Fortress of Solitude crystals cause a massive power outage, which

592
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: causes the plane which is carrying the Space Shuttle which

593
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: is carrying Lois Lane with a test flight to crash,

594
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 3: so Superman has to come back Shades of his first

595
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: rescue of Lois Lane from nineteen seventy eighth. Superman in

596
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 3: the helicopter, now in a plane which is Piggybaggy Space Shuttle,

597
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: he saves her. It's actually like a very The Superman

598
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: scenes in this are wonderful.

599
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I save like he's.

600
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 5: Sequence, everyone's happy, and then they kind of try and

601
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 5: set up like a potential sequel with introducing the fact

602
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 5: that like it's Lois and.

603
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 7: Clock Son appearing.

604
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: We discover along with Lex because when he pulls out

605
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: this kryptonite it seems like it's affecting this child. We

606
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: discover that supermana Lowess had a sun what what. So

607
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: one of Lex's the big plans to kill Superman this

608
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: time is he drops a mountain of kryptonite on him

609
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: of like lab grown, like lab diamond grown, but kryptonite grown.

610
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: Kryptonite on Superman. It's generally a mountain of.

611
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: Kryptonite and it crushes him and he drops into the sea,

612
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: but it has you know, gets pulls the kryptonite out

613
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: of his shoulder that had pierced him, and he like

614
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: gets some of his strengths back and then using like

615
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: mud and earth like as a buffer, which I don't

616
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 3: think this would be.

617
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't think this would whack.

618
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 5: I think this was an illfow out chrystonite planic.

619
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't think this is what it works.

620
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: Also, like it's Superman, you can just make up something cool, babe,

621
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: like ye, like he's just like covering out with mad.

622
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 3: He uses earth like a layer of earth is a buffer,

623
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: and he lifts the mountain of kryptonite up into space

624
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: once again, throwing his problems in the space.

625
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 7: The Superman stop it, it's bad.

626
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: He throws it out of the space, but the effort

627
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 3: almost kills him. When he wakes up in the hospital,

628
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: he finds that Lois is there with his son, and

629
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: we are to assume, because we don't know what happens,

630
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 3: that they.

631
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: Are back together again.

632
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: And it certainly seems like that from what happens with

633
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: the husband and all that stuff we don't know.

634
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: Fast forward too.

635
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: Twenty Thirteen's imperfect, but at times I think pretty entertaining

636
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: at least some of the action.

637
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: I really.

638
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 5: It look whatever, all the all the drama, all the

639
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 5: feelings that people have about this. It is a totally

640
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 5: different take on Superman. It's very much in the This

641
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 5: is a man who'd already made a Watchmen movie.

642
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: At this point.

643
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 5: We know that he loves scrimm and gritty, he loves stark,

644
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 5: and I do remember at the time there was a

645
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 5: I was very excited, and I remember there was a

646
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 5: great conversation kind of in the comic shop about like, Okay, well,

647
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 5: we are living in a like a post nine to

648
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 5: eleven world. We are living in a space where like

649
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 5: there is a growing hatred and fear of people that

650
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 5: are not deemed as being like from where you're from.

651
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: So it's interesting to see Superman basically like treated as

652
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: an alien. I remember that was like a big kind

653
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 3: of thing people were interested to see.

654
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: Obviously as well, Henry Carville.

655
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 5: Looks like Superman, but English Superman very controversial because Superman

656
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 5: is this Midwestern boy.

657
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: You know. I thought he was wonderful and so ripped,

658
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: and you know.

659
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: He looks like a little kids perfect drawing up some

660
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 3: absolutely and when you see him in the suit for

661
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: the first time, you're like, oh, yeah, so starring Henry

662
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: cavill Amy Adams as lois Michael Shrandon with a incredible

663
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: score by Hans wonderful, crazy score. Hans is really in

664
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: his bag when he's in the Night of Us. He

665
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: absolutely really funny, incredible, wild themes that are just so good.

666
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 3: We open on Krypton, and you know what's going on

667
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: on kryptonop It is fucked, folks. It is falling apart.

668
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: But Jorell rides like a dragonfly. Now, so that's really cool.

669
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Speaker 3: And he's been trying to tell everybody, like, we.

670
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: Got this problem. The Krypton is gonna fall apart.

671
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: Nobody understands it but him, And we also get more

672
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: of an idea of like political issues happen within Crypton. Yes,

673
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: General Zod is part of like this very very like

674
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: uh ultra conservative faction who wants to seize power in Krypton.

675
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: But of course Krypton's falling apart.

676
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Speaker 3: So Jorell, who I forgot to even mention Jorell keeping

677
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: the legacy of like incredible cameos is Russell.

678
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 7: Crowe is keeping that it's keeping it going.

679
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Speaker 3: So Jorell, uh, you know, sends his son to space

680
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 3: and kal El clarklands in Kansas. He's adopted by Jonathan

681
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 3: and Martha Kent. My mom's absolute favorite person in the world.

682
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Speaker 3: Kevin Costner.

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Speaker 7: Yes, mom loves Cabin cost.

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Speaker 3: Loves I don't know if I have how much I've

685
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 3: talked about this, but let me just tell people. My

686
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 3: mother has been involved in a very intense one way

687
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 3: crush with Kevin Costner since the eighties. She loves Kevin

688
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: Costner watches Yellowstone. I was gonna say, yeah, absolutely Yellowstone.

689
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: She told me about Yellowstone. I didn't know what it

690
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: was and was very shattered when he decided to leave

691
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: the show. Diane Lane, the Wonderful Diane Lane is Martha Kent.

692
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Speaker 3: This is a star studed affair. So you know, Clark

693
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: has his powers, but he's got to keep him secret.

694
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: It's that whole thing. And then he basically decides, you

695
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: know what, I'm just because these are it's gonna be

696
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 3: hard to stay in one place with these powers.

697
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: He just becomes.

698
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: Like like Bruce Banner in The Hulk television show, kind

699
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: of like a wandering strong guy doing heroic acts secretly,

700
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 3: like particularly in the North regions up in Canada and stuff,

701
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: saving men from oil dereks and all this kind of stuff.

702
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: Lois Lane is sent to investigate the emergence of apparent

703
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: aliens like on Earth. The Kryptonian Scoutship has entered Earth.

704
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: Clark enters the ship disguised as a worker and he

705
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 3: figures out, oh, this is where I'm from, and in fact,

706
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 3: and that's my dad he's talking to me, and now

707
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: i'm and that's a suit for me, and he puts

708
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 3: it on, and he figures out his powers and he

709
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: flies for the first time in a sequence that is

710
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 3: actually really great, Like I think if you were just

711
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Speaker 3: gonna pull superhero scenes, like best superhero scenes of the

712
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Speaker 3: last whatever thirty years, I think Henry Cavill flying for

713
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: the first time, Yeah, is pretty pretty pretty good. Unfortunately,

714
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: Zod and his people arrive also on Earth, and they

715
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: get the powers and they just start fucking wrecking shop.

716
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: They're beating up like Mike.

717
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: Just like so good too. He is just like the

718
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 3: weirdest choice. I mean totally commits and I love it.

719
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Speaker 1: I love it.

720
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: And he just starts like they just start wrecking shop

721
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: all of it. They're just destroying shit, killing like army

722
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: guys left and right, throwing tanks around, throwing helicopters around

723
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: the entire US military cannot stop them, and they have

724
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: this cannot stop to create to use this very very

725
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: powerful like terraforming device and their ship to turn Krypton

726
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: into turn Earth into new Krypton, which of course God

727
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 3: will rule.

728
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: This will of course destroy the Earth.

729
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: And they turn it on and it starts destroying lots

730
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Speaker 3: of stuff, and like Metropolis is falling apart, Superman flies

731
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: into action. There's a incredible fight that absolutely detonates.

732
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Speaker 1: A good portion of Metropolis.

733
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Speaker 3: Rosie estimated casualties in this unbelievable, Like you're talking about

734
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Speaker 3: like hundreds of thousands of people, and.

735
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 5: Certainly it must be at least in the thousands when

736
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Speaker 5: it comes to casualties.

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Speaker 1: And this is a question.

738
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Speaker 5: This is the I think, let's not say the problem,

739
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 5: but this is one of the prices you have to pay.

740
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Speaker 7: For doing a realistic, more grounded version.

741
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Speaker 3: Is when you're in a city that clearly looks like

742
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Speaker 3: a city that we recognize, that has real buildings and

743
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: we know has we've as people who've lived through real crisises,

744
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 3: you could you are thinking like, this is a lot

745
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: of people who are dying at this point.

746
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Speaker 7: So honestly, does.

747
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Speaker 5: The controversial ending which we're about to talk about really

748
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 5: matter if there's already been thousands of people killed as

749
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Speaker 5: collateral damage.

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Speaker 1: That's up to what you.

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Speaker 7: Think about Superman and how he would deal with his issues.

752
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Speaker 3: I think if you told me fifty thousand to eighty

753
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: thousand dead in Metropolis, I believe it would that would

754
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 3: make sense because multiple buildings pancake, there's a huge crater.

755
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: In the middle of the city, like the city is Detroit,

756
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: it's not gone.

757
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: Well, no, so Superman before he faces Zod, he manages

758
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 3: to get the rest of his army sent to the

759
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: Phantom Zone. He arrives, he fights Zod. They end up

760
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: in the train station where Zod is about to fry

761
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: like innocent people with his heat beams, and so Clark

762
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 3: snaps his neck.

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Speaker 1: And this was.

764
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Speaker 3: Very, very controversial. I agree that it's Also it's not

765
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Speaker 3: how Superman would actually do it. Yes, I'm like, surely

766
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 3: he could just send him to the Phantom Zone too. Yeah,

767
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 3: I don't think he would do it like this. I

768
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 3: also feel like real Superman would have taken Zod out

769
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Speaker 3: into space or the moon or something to fight him

770
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Speaker 3: there there.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 5: Actually also and in the comics, I believe he did

773
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Speaker 5: kill Zod on the moon at one point.

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Speaker 1: So pre crisis.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is one of those interesting things where

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00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 5: I just deeply love the fact that people have so

777
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 5: much faith and hope and like put so much of

778
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 5: themselves into Superman that this was like really striking for them.

779
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 5: But you know, it is like in comics, he definitely

780
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 5: was killing people in the Golden Age, throwing people off roofs.

781
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: He's killed Bizarro, he kills he kills three Kryptonians, yes,

782
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: at least.

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00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 5: One, and also like you know, he had to kill Doomsday,

784
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 5: you know, but so it's not that shocking. But I

785
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 5: think what is shocking is kind of seeing the moment

786
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 5: that he breaks his neck in this like very brutal,

787
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 5: very interpersonal way, and then he kind of has this

788
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 5: scream and it really did it.

789
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 7: It's a very phantom menace.

790
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean Revenge of the sif Like, no, yeah,

791
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 5: very interesting choice. And I think this is where you

792
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 5: start to see the split between like those who believe

793
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 5: Superman is this kind of hopeful symbol and those who

794
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 5: are trying to watch like a grounded what would it

795
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 5: really be like if he was here.

796
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: Yes, so, and Superman saves the day and goes to

797
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 3: work at the Daily Planet and as a war.

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Speaker 2: We go to Batman v. Superman Dawn of Justice.

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Speaker 1: David s.

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Speaker 3: Goyer back on the script, picking up the reins that

801
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Speaker 3: he had previously been holding for a Man of Steel.

802
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: He's joined by Chris Terrio.

803
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 3: Of course, Zack Snyder continues to be the director, and

804
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: now we enter the as Like.

805
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 7: Era but flock bats look so long.

806
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: Story short. Lex Luthor.

807
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: Manipulates Batman and Superman into hating each other and getting

808
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 3: in a big fight. Batman has to make a suit

809
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 3: in order to be able to deal because he's old.

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00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 7: He's like twenty years old. This is the very long

811
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Speaker 7: Night Ratuns.

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00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: He has to be able to deal with Superman. Also

813
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: Luthor again using Superman by Jesse Eisenbachi wonderfully played.

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00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: I think by Jesse Isabers.

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Speaker 7: I think he's channeling Gene Hackman. Yeah, Mark Zuckerbug, and

816
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 7: I like it.

817
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna like So he creates a genetic monster

818
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: from the body of Zod and also like his own

819
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: body to you know, create this like threat, and Superman

820
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: and Batman figure out that they've been pitted against each other,

821
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: and they fitted out and they and they kind of

822
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: bond over the fact that.

823
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Speaker 6: This.

824
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Speaker 5: I have to say, David Escoya, you've been on the podcast,

825
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 5: come back on the podcast, because this is actually, I

826
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 5: think one of the most genius connections agree nobody else. Like,

827
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Speaker 5: we literally talk about this stuff every single day. At

828
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Speaker 5: the time this movie came out, I was working at

829
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 5: the cinema and literally we were talking about these movies,

830
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 5: about comic books, everything, And somehow when Nay said Martha.

831
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Speaker 1: What did you say that name?

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Speaker 7: Some reason, I had never really clocked that both of

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00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 7: their mums were called Martha. So, David Eskoya, good for you.

834
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Speaker 3: Like, this is a hilarious, hilarious scene, but also like

835
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Speaker 3: an incredible little subtle thing that for some reason, we

836
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: never talked about. I did the same thing watching this movie.

837
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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is a bad movie. Whatever, I'm gonna

838
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 3: enjoy it. But when the Marsa thing happened, I was like, Oh,

839
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: that's good.

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Speaker 7: How is he that score?

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Speaker 1: See?

842
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 7: How did we never work that before? But it is hilarious.

843
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 7: Would you say that name?

844
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Speaker 5: Also, my other favorite bit in this movie, which comes

845
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Speaker 5: from the kind of DC, was very much trying to

846
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 5: make their own MCU. At this point, they're trying to

847
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 5: branch out. So one of my favorite moments is when

848
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 5: you know, Wonder Woman arrives and you get that great

849
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 5: junkie xel hans Zima score dinner. It's like she's like

850
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 5: a rock star something. But Batman like does the secret

851
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 5: mission and basically just like steals like a USB drive

852
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 5: that has YouTube videos on it, and he's like watching

853
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 5: YouTube videos.

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Speaker 7: He's like the Flash YouTube video, the da Coman YouTube video.

855
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 7: And I was like, what is going on?

856
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Speaker 1: But good for you, guys.

857
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 7: I love this.

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00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: This is crazy.

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00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: Oh god, and I should we should note that twenty

860
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Speaker 3: sixteen's Captain America Civil War kind of rips off the

861
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Speaker 3: Martha thing.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's actually a good point.

863
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: Controversial we've got let's just acknowledge it and listen.

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00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: The history of these.

865
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Speaker 3: Two franchises constantly, Yes, these ip generating machines, they're always

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Speaker 3: ripping each other of Oh.

867
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Speaker 7: Baby, it is kind of the same.

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Speaker 1: Plot turn for the Island of.

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Speaker 4: Cool.

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00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 7: But yes, Luther's plan is happening.

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00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 5: His plan was doomsday, which if you read the comics

872
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 5: you probably saw that coming.

873
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 3: Diana shows up, they fight, the Doomsday, they beat it

874
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 3: and Superman dies.

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00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: Oh no, how can it happen?

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00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 7: How could happen?

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00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 5: But don't worry, because there's a post credit s dun

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00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 5: dun dud d And you start to hear a little.

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00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 7: And you realize, actually, Superman's just chilling, and that coffin

880
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 7: he's just and yeah.

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00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: So here we go.

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Speaker 3: It's set Snyder's fucking Justice.

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Speaker 5: League twenty seventeen and twenty twenty one. There was four

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Speaker 5: years in between that we had to deal with all

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Speaker 5: of that, and it's happening. Directed Justice League twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 5: director by Jack Snyder and Joss Whedon.

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Speaker 3: Let's not forget. They put him in, they pour him in,

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Speaker 3: and the people didn't like it. Tout sprinkle some of

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Speaker 3: that magic mcu dust on our It didn't work on

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Speaker 3: our DC verse, it didn't quite work. Superman is dead,

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Speaker 3: Earth's vulnerable. Batman puts together the Justice League.

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Speaker 5: Incredible Jason Momoa sequence where he came out of the

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Speaker 5: water and Nim.

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Speaker 7: And Bruce are like bad Eye. Also, I just want

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Speaker 7: to say something.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I think we've talked about this before.

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Speaker 5: I don't think this is particularly controversial. Obviously, I'm not

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Speaker 5: a surprised twist here. I'm not talking about Corman. We

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Speaker 5: know how much I love about Corman. But actually, when

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Speaker 5: I go back and watch these movies, which I have

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Speaker 5: to do a lot with this kind of you know pudding,

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Speaker 5: I think Ben Affleck is actually really good at being Batman.

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Speaker 5: I like this old Batman, but I wish that it's

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Speaker 5: a different space. This is one of those movies where

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Speaker 5: Batman is killing so many people, Like, he is killing

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Speaker 5: so many people.

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Speaker 3: He's got guns on the Batman bile, He's shooting up

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Speaker 3: that's he's killing everyone. It seemed to me at the

909
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Speaker 3: time like heavily influenced by the Arkham interpretation interpret interpretation

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Speaker 3: of Batman, in which I mean Batman is absolutely breaking

911
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Speaker 3: people people, fracturing skulls and like driving people off buildings. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so like it's that level of of Batman. Anyway, So

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Speaker 3: Steppenwolf has a mother Box and that's really bad, and

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Speaker 3: so the the the Nascent Justice League, Diana Cyborg, Batman,

915
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Speaker 3: Barry Allen are like, well, there's we're good, but like

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Speaker 3: without Superman, what are we gonna do? So we got

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Speaker 3: to resurrect him. So they resurrect Clark, but he's like,

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Speaker 3: doesn't remember anything about what is He's basically just like

919
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Speaker 3: he's like a baby who's got Superman Palace, which is

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Speaker 3: very dangerous, very very dangerous. But listen, finally they all

921
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Speaker 3: get together. That's I mean basically that what happens is, uh,

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Speaker 3: they all get together, Clark remembers who he is, they

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Speaker 3: fight Steppenwolf, and they win. Let's eventually escapes, and that's

924
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Speaker 3: meant to set up the you know, the upcoming Justice

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Speaker 3: League movies, along with a little cameo in the Injustice League,

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Speaker 3: you know, trying to do that. But oh yes, as

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Speaker 3: the Jared Joker is in there somehow given job like

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Speaker 3: the stuff, they get a little Martian Manhunter a cameo.

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Speaker 2: But ultimately, uh, we've.

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Speaker 7: This twenty twenty one, it's done.

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Speaker 5: It exists, it's out there. You can watch that, you

932
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Speaker 5: can watch both versions of it. And now four years later,

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Speaker 5: we're entering into this new universe of gods and monsters with.

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Speaker 7: James Gunn Superman. Okay, Jason, let me ask you a question.

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Speaker 5: Is there something you want to see in a James

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Speaker 5: gun in James Gunn Superman movie that you have never.

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Speaker 7: Seen in any of these other movies.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, we're getting Crypto. That's what I was

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Speaker 3: gonna say. I want to see that side. I want

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Speaker 3: to see the cute side, the wild side, the crypt

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I love Crypto. I think that's a great call.

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Speaker 5: I want to see that love between Superman and his

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Speaker 5: family and the people he chooses to be in his family,

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Speaker 5: the dog and I agree.

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Speaker 1: And the comic version.

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Speaker 3: Listen, the Fortress of Solitude was always very in the

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Speaker 3: Donner movies. It's there's nothing in there. There's like no

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Speaker 3: furniti anything, there's.

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Speaker 1: No Hall of Trophy.

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Speaker 7: It's not cozy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's none of the stuff like in the comics.

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Speaker 3: You go in there and it's like a playland. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's Superman's back, It's Superman's batcave. Yeah, there's this shrunken

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Speaker 3: city in a bottle. There's all the trophies, there's like

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Speaker 3: you know, like all his uh androids and stuff. There's

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Speaker 3: so much stuff in there.

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Speaker 1: His lab is like research lab.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm really eager, and I know we're going

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Speaker 3: to go in there and see some of that, So

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Speaker 3: I'm really eager to see that.

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Speaker 1: I think that what about you do you have any

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Speaker 1: particularly like, you know, what I want to see.

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Speaker 5: I want to see uh Lois and Clark with that chemistry.

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Speaker 5: I feel like we haven't gone that for a long time,

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Speaker 5: where there's that real like here at two people, the

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Speaker 5: immovable Object and the unstoppable Force, you know, coming together.

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Speaker 7: I love that.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited to see Jimmy Olsen. I'm excited to see

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Speaker 5: more in the Daily Planet, which is something we haven't

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Speaker 5: really gotten a lot since the original Donna movies. We

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Speaker 5: did get a little bit of that, and I will

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Speaker 5: say something that they got right about Lois in the

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Speaker 5: Snyder stuff is like.

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Speaker 1: She's un him.

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Speaker 5: She's going to the craziest, most deadly places because she

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Speaker 5: knows Superman will show up. I just want to see

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Speaker 5: a loving, hopeful Superman. I want to be back in

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Speaker 5: that more positive world. I want to see these crazy

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Speaker 5: kind of characters and adventures. So I'm just really excited.

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Speaker 5: Four years is not a long time between Superman movies,

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Speaker 5: as you can see from like, you know, two thousand

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Speaker 5: and six is like almost you know, twenty years after

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Speaker 5: the last Donna movie, and then two thousand and six

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Speaker 5: to twenty thirteen. This is one of the shorter amounts

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Speaker 5: of time between these kind of new, different iterations. But

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Speaker 5: I feel like in that four years, so much happened,

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Speaker 5: the world change.

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Speaker 1: We're all still living through it.

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Speaker 5: So I'm excited to see this kind of new, hopefully

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Speaker 5: kind of positive Superman that we can hold on too.

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Speaker 5: I also, I just think that David quarant So it's

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Speaker 5: like such good Superman class thing.

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Speaker 1: He's giving me great, it's giving pure clock.

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Speaker 7: So I'm just excited to see.

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Speaker 5: I also want to know how James Gunn is going

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Speaker 5: to solve the glasses issue, because he said he's gonna

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Speaker 5: solve it.

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Speaker 7: He said it's gonna happen. What's he gonna pull from?

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Speaker 3: Is it gonna be controversial? Is it not the people

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Speaker 3: other than me even care. I don't know, but I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: And it's so close now. I mean, we're like three

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Speaker 3: days away from the end of June and then boom,

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Speaker 3: July eleventh, that's when we get Superman.

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Speaker 1: We will be of course covering Superman.

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Speaker 3: With our reactions and getting you ready to watch it,

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Speaker 3: and Rosie's gonna be having giving you some omnibi to

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Speaker 3: get us ready for that.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of Extra Vision, We're.

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Speaker 2: Diving into the finale, the Strong Finale.

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Speaker 7: The very Strong Finale.

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Speaker 1: Iron Heart. That's it for this episode. Next We'll.

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Speaker 3: Ii x ray Vision is hosted by Jason steps Young

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Speaker 3: and Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 3: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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