1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode contains spoilers for episode five, season two 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: of the. 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: Last of Us, So watch that and then listen to 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 2: this or just listen to this. 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Jason, gets up to your own 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: heo on Wedsday Night and welcome back to x Ray 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Vision of the podcast Where We Dive. They your favorite shows, movies, 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: comics of pop culture coming to you from my podcast 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: Where We Are You three episodes week every Tuesday, Wednesday, 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: and Thursday. 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: Plus in today's episode, guys, can you almost believe it? 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: Only three episodes left of this season. 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: Of the Last of Us and we are at that 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 3: third episode to the end episode five, we are going 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: to be breaking it down. 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: What's going on in Seattle? 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 3: How does everywhere everyone get every were so fast? Is 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: this holding up to the game? 19 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: Is it too close to the game? Is it far 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: away from the game. We're all that and more so 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: let's talk about it. 22 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: But first the Last of Us Episode five. You know, 23 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: I think that they're going to stop before they get 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: to Abby. I think they're going to break this into 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. 26 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: Right they There's no way they can get to her 27 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: right now, I. 28 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: Don't think so. Okay, here we go. We'll talk about 29 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: that later, Okay. We open up in one of the 30 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: WLF buildings where apparently barricades have been put up for 31 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: reasons that we're about to discover. Hand Rahan alna Ubach, 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: the Wonderful a lot of you Bach usually a comedic actor, 33 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: but very which is you know, a wonderful thing, is 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: inspecting these and she is interviewing a wolf named Park, 35 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: who is a leader of like this section, it's interesting 36 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: because we get the idea through this that the Wolves 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: are kind of like a federation of various war lords 38 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: where it seems like there's like a block leader or 39 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: a regional leader who is in control of a certain area, 40 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: and while Hanrahan is kind of like a higher up leader, 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: everybody's kind of like independently running their own little fifes, 42 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: it seems. And apparently Park ordered or caused the deaths 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: of some of her people, and so Hanrahan is asking 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: about that. It's due to some kind of orders that 45 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: Hanrahan had given Park. And this is an issue because 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: the Wolves and the Seraphyites are apparently getting ready to 47 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: go to war if they're not currently at war. We 48 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: saw last episode, like that battle that was going on 49 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: in the distance, and they're going to need their full strength. 50 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: Park her people were ordered to clear the hospital, which 51 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: is obviously a necessary building for the WLF, and they 52 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: sent a squad down to like one of the sub levels, 53 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 1: including one of Park's best people, Leon, who we will 54 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 1: find out is Park's Sun, And there was cordy steps 55 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: down there. There's in the air, but no one was 56 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: infected above, So like everybody feels pretty good that it's 57 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: the cordy SEPs infection, the spores that are contained in 58 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: the sub level but haven't seeped up to the upper 59 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: levels yet. And Leon breathed some of this in and 60 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: that is apparently why Park had to have her people killed, 61 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: because Leon and some other people got infected. It's in 62 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: the air, the Park says, and that's why the barricades 63 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: have been put up to seal the infection down there, 64 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: and some of the Wolf soldiers were trapped down there. 65 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: Nothing else has gotten out thus far, no one else 66 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: has gotten sick. So we're feeling the w life is 67 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: feeling reasonably confident. 68 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: Reasonably confident, probably too confident. 69 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 4: Now. 70 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: Hanrahan is like, we're not gonna tell anybody about this 71 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna keep this quiet. We're gonna keep so people 72 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: don't panic. We need she's talking about how much they 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: need the hospital. Obviously that's an important building for them, 74 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: and so they're gonna keep using the hospital and not 75 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: tell anybody about this little incident. And also, I'm sorry 76 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: about your son, she says. It is Seattle day two 77 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: for Ellie and Dina. Dina is working up a plan 78 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:37,679 Speaker 1: using her maps and her apparently talent for triangulating paths. 79 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: She's been listening to the radio a lot, so she's 80 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: getting a lot of information from the wolves themselves. Ellie 81 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: goes down to the base. When she gets the lights on, 82 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: there's like a natural gas generator there. You get the 83 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 1: feeling like and now this is one of those first 84 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: things where it's like in the game, this makes sense 85 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: in the show. I'm like, what the wolves see this? Like, 86 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: won't this straw tend anyway? They get the rights on. 87 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: Ellie explores the performance hall where there's amps and guitars. 88 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: It seems like like a performance was about to take place. 89 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: It always maybe wonder like do the wolves use this area? 90 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: Because everything looked really fresh that was ready to. 91 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: Go overgrowth, the green overgrowth, like somebody was strumming that 92 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: guitar before, Ellie, But I get it. 93 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: They love the guitar. 94 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: Dina comes in and she has figured out the best 95 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: route to take toward the position where they know one 96 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: of Abby's people is at Nora. They know she's at 97 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: the hospital because they hear her on the radio, and 98 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: they have to cut through this like weird long building 99 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: that the patrols seem to avoid, and Ellie's like, well, 100 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: there must be infected in that building, because why else 101 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: are they avoiding, like why they would patrol that area. 102 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: If they get through, though, Dina says, they'll come up 103 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: right behind the wolf patrol, so this is kind of 104 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: like a perfect route. Nora should be on the first floor. 105 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: Dina knows this because again the radio, they're just saying 106 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: everything they're saying over the open air name. 107 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're doing it. It's very walking dead. 108 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: They're very comfortable in that situation. 109 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: At WLF, Dina thinks that she has a theory about 110 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: the Seraphytes who the Wolf called the Scars, and thinks 111 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: there must be like some sort of anti technology group 112 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: no radios, no tech, because why else would the WLF 113 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: be saying all this stuff over the open air and 114 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: they must be like kind of like the Amish were 115 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: in the before times. Ellie is like, great, so let's go. 116 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: Speaking of going, let's take a quick break and we'll 117 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: be right back after word from our sponsors. 118 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: Now we're back, We're back. 119 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: They talk about Ellie and Dina talk about the baby. 120 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: What's the plans for the baby? What are we going 121 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: to do about the baby? What are your plans for 122 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: the baby? How are you going to raise the baby? 123 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: All this stuff. As they are talking about this and 124 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: going along, you know, walking the route that Dina had 125 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: planned out, they come across some executed Serahphyts against the 126 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: wall with some Sarahphite graffiti and then some wolf graffiti 127 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: over it, and it is a it's a brutal scene. 128 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: Ellie immediately is like, I'm so sorry I brought you here. 129 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,559 Speaker 1: This is crazy. You're pregnant, Like, how are we doing? 130 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: First sensible Ellie moment we've had in a while, Like, 131 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 3: thank goodness, yes, this is correct. 132 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: Dina then says, well, I'm going to continue with you, 133 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: and here's why, Like, let me tell you about the 134 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: first person I killed because I didn't get to tell 135 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: you about that earlier, and she talks about a raider 136 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: who killed her family in front of her when she 137 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: was eight, and she had a gun at eight, but 138 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: she wasn't able to be quick enough with her because she. 139 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: Was she and she'd also left the house, which was 140 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: she left the She blames herself for that. 141 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of complex feelings there. 142 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And Dina thinks that for she knows, in other words, 143 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: what it's like to witness something as horrible as what 144 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: Ellie witnessed, and so she wants revenge for Ellie and 145 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: she wants to help her get it. And whatever Joel did, 146 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: she says he didn't deserve to die the way that 147 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: he was murdered, which is, you know, true, I think 148 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: in a larger sense. And also yeah, yeah, yeah, in 149 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: the in the in the granular sense of this world, 150 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: clearly not the way things work. 151 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, exactly, we love we love her world to forgiveness, 152 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: and you know, I love Joel so well. 153 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: I just think, you know, Dina and Ellie are going 154 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: about avenging a thing by doing the thing that't done. 155 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: Yes, not sensible, not going to solve any problems. 156 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: So Dina says, listen. Anything that happens to me, It's 157 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: not your fault if I die out here. If I 158 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: die and my baby dies out here, like, don't worry 159 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: about it. And so they go forward. There's some spotlights 160 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: as they come up to this the building that they 161 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: need to sneak into, and Dina cuts the fence. She 162 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: brought the bowl cutter. Dina thought of everything, where were Ellie. 163 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: B She might be in nowhere, Like, come on, Dina 164 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: is a legend. 165 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: She is killing it. She would have. I think Ellie 166 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: would have had to turn back like several days ago 167 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: for lack of food. 168 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: Oh, no question. 169 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: So they get inside this building and it's some kind 170 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: of factory and Ellie's like sensible Ellie moment, She's like, 171 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: let me go scout because I'm immute in hey, finally. 172 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: Good good job, good job probably. 173 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: So she goes to take a look, and Dina is 174 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: hopeful that you know that there'll be a few infected. 175 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: They think there'll be some infected in here, right, but 176 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: no hordes hopefully, And but like, let's do things quietly, 177 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: no shooting, she says to Ellie. And Ellie's like yeah, yeah, yeah, 178 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: And Adina's like, hey, hey, I mean zero, like, we're 179 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: not gonna shoo shooting, not a single shot please. And 180 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: if it's run or shoot, what do we do? 181 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 2: We run run, run, run run. 182 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: And also big moment here because Dina admits that she 183 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: loves Ellie even though she's like a crazy, violent killer. 184 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: It's very warm. 185 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 3: Yes, we get warm little moment here. I will say 186 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 3: I love both these actors. I think they're really brilliant. 187 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: I do think in this episode some of the more 188 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: intimate moments we're missing a bit of chemistry for me, 189 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: But I think it's also because the nature of their 190 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: journey here, being about the two of them choosing to go, 191 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: it makes it more of like a revenge hu raw 192 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: angry journey. 193 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 4: This. 194 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if I buy the. 195 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: Romance as much, but I like how casual Dina was 196 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: with it. It was very teenage, that kind of like, yeah, 197 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: I love you, so I'm not gonna let that happen 198 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: to you. 199 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: You know that. That felt very real. 200 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm starting, like we talked about this with 201 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: the last episode, I'm definitely starting to get pushed out 202 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: of the show's logic a little bit by how much 203 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 3: they're going back to the game after making some different 204 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: choices from the game, and now we're kind of having 205 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: to get back into the game for efficiency's sake, and 206 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: I think we are about to talk about one of 207 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: them right now. But there's a couple of things that 208 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 3: kind of I knocked up against this episode, because I. 209 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: Do think that there is a now, Listen, people who 210 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: love the game and were clamoring, have been clamoring through 211 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: season one and from now for it to be more 212 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: like the game are gonna love this. That's great, and 213 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: that's great. I do think that there is for me, 214 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: a little bit of a shalonness of emotional depiction here, 215 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: and but that's you know, your mileage may vary anyway. 216 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: They move through the factory, they see a body torn 217 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: in half, so they know that there must be infected 218 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: in here. And they start seeing them like their little 219 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: eyes glimmering in the darkness, very very creepily, and Ellie's like, fuck, 220 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: it's the smart ones shit, because they're making that weird, 221 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: almost human kind of sound and they're not immediately rushing it, 222 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: and they're like kind of like looking at them and 223 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: like hiding away, and and so Ellie's like, listen, here's 224 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: how it's gonna work. Did you play the Last of 225 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: Us two? Okay, because here here's how it's gonna work. 226 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: These ones aren't gonna run at us like the other ones. 227 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: They're gonna flank. 228 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: So like the messer raptives. Basically, it's very clever. 229 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: So let's flank the flankers. Okay, whoever senses the flank 230 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: coming the other one will come up and take that 231 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: one from. 232 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: The side press triangle to learn more. 233 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: Right, The only thing is, as soon as they come 234 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: up with this plan, they realize there's a lot of them. 235 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: It's not just like one or two. There's a lot 236 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: of them, and so we have to come up with 237 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: a new plan. Ellie sees like a cage, a kind 238 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: of cage that houses electrical equipment, and she's like, okay, 239 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: do you know lock yourself in that cage. I will 240 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: draw them away, And all of a sudden, there's you know, 241 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: this is happening. They're shooting, Ellie is running, Ellie is 242 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: getting bit a lot. She's trapped now under this under 243 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: this crush of the smart ones, and it seems like 244 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: it's a wrap. But then gunshots ring out and they 245 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: are saved by Jesse, who arrives just at the right 246 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: moment to preserve the plot. Armory yes, and felt and 247 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: I see this is one of those things where, yeah, 248 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: we had a sty for me. I felt like we'd 249 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: established a kind of reality last season where you really 250 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: felt like, oh my god, they could die at anymore. 251 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Anyone could die, anyone could die. It feels very dangerous 252 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: and less of course, you know you're suspending your disbelief 253 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: right because you understand that they're like who the main 254 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: characters are. At the same time, this felt, this is 255 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: this is a very fortunate disf Makina moment for Jesse 256 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: to arrive at the right place at the right time exactly. 257 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: And I do think this is a bit of the 258 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: issue that I'm coming from episode four, episode five now, 259 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: which is we made some big swings away from the 260 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: source material, which I think has worked throughout this series, 261 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 3: so I am pro But if you have it in 262 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: the game, it's you know, Tommy and Jesse they leave, 263 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 3: and then Allie and Dina follow them up, So there's 264 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: a reason to think that you might see either and 265 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 3: or of them when you. 266 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: Get to Seattle. 267 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: Here. 268 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do believe that Jesse would have followed them 269 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: specifically for Dina, and I do believe Tommy would go 270 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: because he doesn't want Ellie to be in that same role. 271 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: I love that, but this, yeh, a little bit too neat, 272 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: little bit too clean. 273 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: Was definitely feeling a little bit walking dead here, like 274 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: a little bit more of that you know, you get, yeah, 275 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: you kind of roll your eyes when somebody shows up, 276 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 3: And that I think is the moment here where for 277 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: me the show shifts gears or like a little bit 278 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 3: of quality for me, because there is rarely a choice. 279 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: That they make in this show that I question, and. 280 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: It's usually much more of a situation of oh wow, 281 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: I didn't expect him to go that route, or oh yeah, 282 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: that really works for me, or that adds this layer, 283 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: and now I feel like they're kind of struggling to 284 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: balance the two. And from this moment out, I definitely 285 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 3: was kind of outside of the emotional kind of world 286 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: they wanted me to be in, I think, and you 287 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 3: know what, I love to see Jesse. It's like, I 288 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: love Jesse, so I'm happy that he's here. I'm excited 289 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: to see this kind of journey continue. But there was 290 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: a true moment when when the infected appealing Yeah, the 291 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: the wiring away from Dina and Ellie is just being 292 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: absolutely yammed on. 293 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, are they gonna kill 294 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: one of them? And I don't love it. 295 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 3: I don't want them to kill a gay. I hate 296 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: to kill a gay. We know, it's like we always 297 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 3: burying our gaze, but that's that danger in fear that 298 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: the show can make you feel. And then when it 299 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: was just Jesse who showed up rather than say, like 300 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 3: WLF and then you have to escape from them too, 301 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: that was a little bit. It was a little bit 302 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: neat for me, and I think it's a rainy They 303 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: start trying to wrap stuff up a little quickly as 304 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: we head into these final two episodes after this. 305 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: Yes, so they flee this building now without time to 306 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: care about like the spotlights and stuff, and the wolves 307 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: are shooting at them. And again here's like the wolves 308 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: are missing from what I would have It's like an 309 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: easy shot for them. 310 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: They are doing Stormtrooper level misses at this. 311 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: Point, raying all over the place. 312 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: And I will say there was also a moment here 313 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 3: when they run through the spotlight where Jesse and Ellie 314 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 3: and Dina are kind of running through and the spotlight 315 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: just happens to fall on one of the kind of 316 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: fences covered with plants, and it's so clear that the 317 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: plants are plastic, and I was like. 318 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 2: Oh, I was like, no, not like this so expensive show. 319 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: I could see that it's. 320 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 3: Fake, which obviously, like, we know the show is fake, 321 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 3: but this was impacting me personally. Yeah, that was an 322 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 3: interesting and interesting moment that didn't necessarily assuage my my worries. 323 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: I will listen. I think the action is very well done, 324 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: but it is a different mode of show. There is 325 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: a different it was previously. So they they're running from 326 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: these gunshots and they end up hiding in the park 327 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: and the park is extremely overgrown after you know, decades 328 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: of the fall of civilization. The wolves, it's clear, will 329 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: not come in here, because they're saying, okay, just post 330 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: up a guard and if they come out, we'll get them. 331 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: But we don't go in there. And Jesse tells them 332 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: that I followed you by using the map which you 333 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: left at the theater. 334 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: By the way. 335 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: By the way, yes, I came with Tommy. We came 336 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: without counsel. Okay, so that's a big deal. Ellie is 337 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: trying to act like a fucking badass until Jesse is like, 338 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: didn't I just save your life? Like you were like, 339 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: how is it going? How is it going? You were 340 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: getting absolutely dunke dawn out there, and Dino was was 341 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: like I love that, waiting to get like what opened up. 342 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 3: Infected lunchables in a nice little packet. 343 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: And Jesse says, listen, let's just get the fuck out 344 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: of here, link up with Tommy and go fucking home. Correct, 345 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: what's going on? 346 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 2: Correct? Listen to this man? 347 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: But then we start hearing the whistles and we see 348 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: seraphits moving through the trees with the torches. 349 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: Now you're like one foot away from it. 350 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to. I don't want to listen. 351 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: People may love this, and that's fine. This if you 352 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: loved the game, if you wanted the game on screen, 353 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: you're getting it this season. 354 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 355 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, me. 356 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: It is a little bit like, yeah, they're fifty feet 357 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: into the park, and fifty feet into the park is 358 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: apparently like completely controlled by the services, so you can't 359 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: the Wolves have no ability with all their hardware to 360 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: clear out the park. 361 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, couldn't you just like shooting now 362 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 3: with the sniper rifle, but obviously not if you're as 363 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: missing as many shots as they missed. Jesse and Dry 364 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: some artillery in there and just like clear them out anyway. 365 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 3: So the surfights are in there, they've got to capture 366 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 3: a wolf in there, and we watch them, you know, 367 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: slice this guy's belly open, this ritual murder that is 368 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: very disgusting. And Ellie is very shocked by this, which 369 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: I thought was interesting because I feel like usually she's 370 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: she's a little hard and she's seen some gross stuff, 371 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 3: but this is this is pretty scary, and it's happening 372 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 3: right there, right next to her, and I guess for 373 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 3: the first time, this is really on her. 374 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 2: This is her quest. 375 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: Jack was looking pretty good Jack's I will say I did. 376 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 3: One thing I did love about this episode is I 377 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: do feel we get a lot of Dina and Ellie 378 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: moments of them being like, oh fuck, I should have 379 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 3: just stayed in Jackson, Like yeah, Dina, like why are 380 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: we not still there? Like eating our delicious food and 381 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: eating to prom or whatever. 382 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: Dina flat out is like what the fuck is happening 383 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: in Seattle? Like like what is wrong with these people? 384 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: So it's very gross and all of a sudden arrow 385 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: whistles through the darkness and it hits Dina right in 386 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: the leg. 387 00:20:58,359 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 2: And what do we do? 388 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 3: You know, I'd say Dina's a legend though, because she 389 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: does not like scream and let out the place. She 390 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: is like tough as nails. She's like tough, Can I 391 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: just say something wasted arrow? 392 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 4: Zip? 393 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: I discuise as well, you're just shooting those randomly and 394 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: like not going to pick them up. 395 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: I guess I thought about this. I think they must 396 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: be in the trees or something, because how could they 397 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: possibly have seen her? Anyway, Ellie is like, get Dina 398 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: out of here, I'll lead them away. So Jesse picks 399 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: up Dina and carries her away from there, and Ellie 400 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: goes running, you know, with the scars chasing her. She 401 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: hides inside of a tree to evade the seraphytes, and 402 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: when she pokes her head out, she sees like a path. 403 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: You know, this is formerly the municipal park, right, and 404 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: there's a path sign there and it says hospital this way. Wonderful, 405 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: So she sneaks over. 406 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like I'm also like, when was the 407 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: last time you're in a hospital, babe? 408 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 2: How did that go? 409 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: For? 410 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 2: You like, I. 411 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: Feel like I feel like just. 412 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 3: Like a little maybe not maybe not, but you know what, 413 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: maybe yes. And I guess you gotta do what you 414 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 3: got to do when the sarifies after you. 415 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: More game moments here. As Ellie sneaks over, it's heavily 416 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: guarded by w l F. She hides in the tall grass, 417 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: which is you know in the video game world that 418 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: you cannot be seen if you are in grass taller 419 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: than two feet. A dog is barking at her though 420 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: another video game moment, but she manages to escape the 421 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: wolf with the dog thinks that it must have been 422 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: some rat or some sort of critter or something. In 423 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: the hospital, Nora is tending to the wounded and sick, 424 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: and Ellie manages to locate her, and she's like, hey, bitch, 425 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: you remember me? 426 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 3: Also again, can we tell? I just want to say, like, 427 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. It's feeling a little bit easy 428 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: to me, Like it's definitely feeling like the universe just 429 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 3: keeps handing up. The wolf's on a plat, you know, 430 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: like the hospital is huge, and she manages to just 431 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: find Nora, but you know what she finds, Uh, we 432 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 3: get that and I do feel like in this moment, 433 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 3: you kind of you could read it as Ellie being 434 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: like so suddenly flung back into her trauma in that 435 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: moment that she immediately clicks back onto the revenge mission 436 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 3: though I feel like her and Dina with Jesse being there, 437 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 3: I feel like, emotionally I wouldn't expect this from her, 438 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: but we kind of click right back into that game 439 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: mode and it's like boom. 440 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: I will say, here's here's the I've seen a criticism 441 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: I should say that before this, like what unfolds here 442 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: is like beat for beat, the video so beat the 443 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: video game. Everything about Ellie killing Nor. I've seen some 444 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: criticism like people who are like game game game centric, 445 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: people who have hated the Gail character because they thought 446 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: it was like, how dumb do you think we are? 447 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: That we need the interior life of characters explained to us. 448 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: We know Ellie wants revenge because we played the game 449 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: and they hated this. I personally loved it. I think 450 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: you loved it as well. 451 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: I think I love Gail. I think it makes so 452 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: much more. 453 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: I think you need that balance of like here's the 454 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: alternate version of life through what it right and so 455 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: that to me, it was less about explaining like what 456 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: characters are doing are feeling internally and more about, hey, 457 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: here's another way of living. So that said, I am 458 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: with you in that I kind of need Ellie to 459 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: be more filled with rage all throughout this mission, for 460 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: this to like kind of going back and forth between 461 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: like now I love Dina and and the warmth of 462 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: that relationship and the vulnerability of that relationship and the 463 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: recognition of the danger she put Dina. Yes, yes, get yeah. 464 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: I almost feel like it to go this route. It 465 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: would have made more sense to me if Ellie was 466 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: just like a bloodthirsty like. 467 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 3: Drum do you not at risk multiple times throughout this 468 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 3: thoughtlessly senselessly like I need revenge anyway? 469 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: That would have But again, your mileage may vary. I 470 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: just feel like it feels inconsistent. 471 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: Anyways it does. 472 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 3: It feel like it feels like a little bit of 473 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: a shortcut when we do throw back into this this moment, 474 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: and also as well, I just need to for face 475 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: this the same way Jason did about this being all game. 476 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 3: I am like a Tatti Gabrielle, like Superstan. 477 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: If you haven't just watched her. 478 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 3: In the latest season of You, you bet if you 479 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 3: haven't just watched her in all of Chilling a Benches 480 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 3: of Sabrina, where she is incredible. So I think as well, 481 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 3: partially my feelings around nor that Nora's death hair and 482 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 3: the way it is is kind of brought to life 483 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: is also probably because I love this actress who plays Nora, 484 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 3: and I think she's incredibly talented. 485 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: So this is the beat for beat scene Ellie chases 486 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: Nora through the hospital. Security catches them, you know, sees 487 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,959 Speaker 1: them running by. It takes a couple of shots at 488 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: Ellie as normals like intruder, intruder, intruder. They end up 489 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: falling down into those sub levels where the Cordy Steps 490 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: were at you know, the spores are active, and Nora's 491 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: wolf backup is not going to go down there because 492 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: they know that it's very dangerous down there. Cordy Steps 493 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: is down there, but Ali doesn't care because she can 494 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: breathe a shit, right, and it's all mushrooms and stuff 495 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: already down there. Really there's there's people walled up like 496 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: alien alien style, like in the wall. 497 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 3: I thought this is a cool I couldn't immediately remember 498 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: my law from the game, so I thought this added 499 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: if you're a if you're a non video game player, 500 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 3: I like the kind of implication here that maybe the 501 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: smart ones are coming from the places where the people 502 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 3: are like still alive, you know, so like they have 503 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 3: so many smart ones because the people that they're breathing 504 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: through and breeding off of kind of still have some 505 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 3: brain capacity, which is really creepy. 506 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 507 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: I thought those moments were really viscerally horrible, really great 508 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: horror ship that we haven't gotten a lot of season 509 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 3: in the same way, it's been a lot more about 510 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: the human horror, like you know, the Walking Dead kind 511 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 3: of realized early on. But this is, yeah, very interesting 512 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 3: to see it go back there and I thought that 513 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 3: this and you could see Leon was one of the 514 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: people that was down there, her son at Park's son, 515 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: and I thought that was really horrible to see. And yeah, 516 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: that stuff worked the best for me out of this 517 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 3: sequence was kind of seeing how the quarter STPs spread 518 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 3: and remembering that that real horror that's at the center 519 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: of the Last of Us. 520 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, So they get down there and Ellie eventually corners Nora, 521 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: and again this is beat for beat the scene from 522 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: the game corners Nora against like a dead end down 523 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: there and Nora is coughing, and she sees that Ellie's 524 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: like unbothered by the air down there, like it's like, 525 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: oh my god, you're her, You're real. You were the 526 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: unit that they. 527 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: Were talking about. 528 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: And she says, like, don't you understand, like what Joel did. 529 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: They were going to save the world. They were going 530 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: to stop all of this, and Joel like shot doctors 531 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: in the head. Ellie is like flat out like I 532 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: don't care. 533 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 2: She and she. 534 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,239 Speaker 1: Knows and she knew, which is something we called and 535 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: she says. 536 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: She suspired, like did you know? And she's like I know, yea, yeah. 537 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: She knew. I That is a thing that is like 538 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: an emotional strand that I really loved from this from 539 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: the adaptation from season two, the fact that you could 540 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: tell in the performance that Ellie never really bought it 541 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: all the way that Joel just like, oh yeah, the 542 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: raiders came and then also they decided they were going 543 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,719 Speaker 1: to do the experiments anymore. And I got you out 544 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: of there, like, yeah, she didn't. She never bought it, 545 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: which I liked, And here she basically confirms it. It's like, no, 546 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: I knew, I knew what was going on. Nora uses 547 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: to give up Abby's information, so Ellie takes like a 548 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: pipe and just beats the shit out of Nora trying 549 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: to get that information, and we're left feeling like she 550 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: didn't give it up. 551 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, we are even that, and that would be a 552 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 3: small change from the game, but we don't really get 553 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 3: to see it. And then they do well, I think 554 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 3: they do very interestingly here. So I'm gonna I'm gonna 555 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 3: pose a question to you, Jason, because what we do 556 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,959 Speaker 3: is it it goes to black, cuts to black, and 557 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 3: then it goes to a sequence of Ellie waking up 558 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 3: in her bedroom and Joel being there and then being 559 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 3: on good terms. So do you think that episode six 560 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: is going to be a flashback like they did in 561 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 3: the game, where they kind of show that Ellie did 562 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 3: her own investigation into what happened at Salt Lake City 563 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 3: and was aware, or do you think we're just gonna 564 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 3: and that's kind of what we're seeing there is maybe 565 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 3: that's the last. 566 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: Time her and Joe were on good terms. 567 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: Or do you think we're gonna see it kind of 568 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 3: go to a different route because we know we still 569 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 3: need to find out about Eugene and Gail where do 570 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 3: we end. 571 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 2: This season with only two episodes left? 572 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I don't with seven episodes. I 573 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: think there's no way they finish the game. I think 574 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: that they don't get all the way there. There's no 575 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: it's impossible that they get all the way there. 576 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 3: Season two could basically just be like and again put 577 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 3: sore spoiler as on. But I do think like they 578 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: could basically have season to end with Abby leaving Seattle 579 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 3: and then have season three basically be Ellie and Dina 580 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: on the farm raising the kid, and then. 581 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: Kind of like looking doing more of an emotional. 582 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 4: Story about where that route goes and whether or not 583 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 4: she gets that revenge that she wants, because we know 584 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 4: season three has been approved now approved point, I do 585 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 4: think that we get that flashback here where we find 586 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 4: out that Ellie didn't. 587 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: Just suspect, she knows for a fact that what Joel 588 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: did and that was part of the tension between them 589 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: in Jackson. I think that we do get that, and 590 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and then come back and 591 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: discuss this episode and we're about okay, let's talk about here. 592 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: I think this is one of those things where you know, again, 593 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: like I think this is a very well made show, 594 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: and I like it. I do think that for me, 595 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: it's this there are right now on YouTube. Many like 596 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: you can watch The Last of Us two as a 597 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: movie with all the creeping around and player initiated stuff 598 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: cut out, so it's just the cutscenes and you can 599 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: watch that. And for me, if I wanted to watch that, 600 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: I would just watch that. I feel, at least these 601 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: last two episodes, it's so close to the territory that 602 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: the game expertly laid out for us that I find 603 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: myself being like, what else, Like where's the other stuff? 604 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean, we talked about like the fact that Dina 605 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: just kind of all of a sudden, it's like not 606 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: curious about Ellie's immunity, just after spending the entire ride 607 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: out to Seattle asking her every nook and like, you know, 608 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: like poking into every nook and cranny of her life 609 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: before she met her. And so you know, like, if 610 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: you love the game, you probably love this. 611 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 612 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 3: The immediate way that she just lies to Jesse too, 613 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 3: and she just like, I'm like, come on, I feel 614 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 3: like that's. 615 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 2: More complexity between the three of them. 616 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: I agree. I I the game, you're probably loving it, 617 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: and I love this, I just find myself wishing that 618 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: there was a little more depth. And I feel like, 619 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, in adapting for the screen, you're given that 620 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: opportunity to do more stuff that isn't just driven by 621 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: the need to put the player in the driver's seat 622 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: all the time. And it feels like we left a 623 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,479 Speaker 1: little bit of that emotional landscape that we saw in 624 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: season one and the different characters that came in in 625 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: these wonderful high point moments that like didn't didn't have 626 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: anything to do with a mission of revenge or being 627 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: so Elier Joel centric, and I guess I'm just like 628 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: missing that a little bit. And part of it is 629 00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: also that The Last of Us won came out. You know, 630 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: The Last Us two is a pretty recent game, what 631 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: is it three to four years now? 632 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 4: Five? 633 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 3: It came out in twenty at the beginning of twenty twenty, 634 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 3: I think. 635 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: And so and the Last of Us too is at 636 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: this point like a ten eleven year old game, and 637 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: so it felt newer and fresher to look at that 638 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: territory in that way, whereas this feels a little bit like, God, 639 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: I just did this, I kind of just did this. 640 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 3: Also I think you touched on something really smart there too, 641 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 3: because in that you know, there has also been a 642 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 3: lot of zombie stories and a lot of zombie storytelling. 643 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 3: There has also been lots of stories about a cranky 644 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 3: man actually sometimes played by Pedro Pascal as well. 645 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 2: I'm a sweet baby going on an adventure. 646 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 3: So I do think this is The last two episodes 647 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 3: were the first points where I was starting to feel 648 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 3: a little bit like we've seen this before. We've been 649 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 3: there before, not just as people who've played the game, 650 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 3: but also as people who watch zombie shows, who deal 651 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 3: with horror media. And I do think that there is 652 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 3: something inherently interesting about Ellie and about her journey here. 653 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if I feel it as much as 654 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,479 Speaker 3: I felt it when I first played the game. And also, 655 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 3: like you say, times have moved on. It's twenty twenty five. 656 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 3: Things are different to us now. The things that horrify 657 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 3: us are different, the things that we experience a different. 658 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm interested to see what the. 659 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: Last two episodes have to hold because it would be 660 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 3: really interesting if they could kind of pull out one 661 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 3: of those big emotional moments like the franken Bill episode 662 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 3: or kind of one of those quiet unexpected I was 663 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 3: really expecting the theater to be this huge thing for 664 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 3: me because for myself in real life, movie theaters have 665 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 3: always been that. For me, they've always been that kind 666 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 3: of space. Theaters have always been that kind of magical 667 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 3: liminal space, and in the game that worked really well 668 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 3: as a haven. I haven't had that same feeling yet, 669 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 3: but I would love to see, you know, with the 670 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 3: next two episodes kind of where we go, where we land, 671 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 3: and also how far we're going to get into it, 672 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 3: because I do feel like it feels like episode six. 673 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 3: I think everyone has kind of talked about that being 674 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 3: a bottle episode, so it feels unlikely that we're necessarily 675 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 3: gonna be able to deal with that and getting abby 676 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 3: in a way that feels kind of emotionally interesting. Also, 677 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 3: I will just say, WLF, you are flopping, Like the 678 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 3: amount of missed shots that you guys are getting this 679 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 3: is another thing, is like, is it this terrifying military 680 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 3: militia that we're supposed to be horrified when we see, 681 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 3: you know, one hundred people walking behind those tanks in 682 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 3: episode three or is it like a hot mess of 683 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 3: teenagers who when somebody's shouting intruder. None of them can 684 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 3: like get up fast enough to shoot a bullet. The 685 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 3: inconsistencies there are not working for me. And also we 686 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 3: kind of touched on this last episode. But I also think, 687 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 3: like this is not an issue with Isabella McCoy or 688 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 3: Tati Gabrielle or Bella Ramsey. I think the issue here 689 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 3: is that maybe the creative team behind the show is 690 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 3: better equipped to make Joel a really interesting, nuanced, in 691 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 3: depth kind of character we want to follow, and maybe 692 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily have the same ability to do that when 693 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 3: your main cast is kind of like three younger teenage girls. 694 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 3: Because I don't I feel like, you know, I was 695 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 3: thinking about, like you said, the duex marketer of Jesse. 696 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 2: I usually can react really well. I've watched Shadow and Boone. 697 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 3: I've watched all these shows where in the last moment 698 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 3: somebody reaches out and they save you, you know, the 699 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 3: Hunger Games moment, the Twilight moment, whatever you want to 700 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 3: call it. But to me, that didn't kind of translate 701 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 3: here in the same euphoric way that it can when 702 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 3: we're talking about YA shows. So I also wonder if 703 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 3: the transition to a different type of lead is part 704 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 3: of why it's not speaking to me as much. 705 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: It could be that that said just lightly push. I 706 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,280 Speaker 1: feel like this is a show where in season one 707 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: we would have done more work to humanize the scars 708 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: or to humanize the like the truth. Even the scene 709 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 1: with you know, with Isaac and Hanrahan, you know, Isaac 710 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: talking about his life before. It's affecting and horrendous, but 711 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: there was so much more work to like bring in 712 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: these human moments. 713 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 2: And everyone was fucked up in season one. 714 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: Yet the survices feel like video game opponents. Like they 715 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 1: feel like video game enemies. They disappear and they're there 716 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: and they're whistling, and that's how you know they're there. 717 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: And then like, yeah, and the WLF, for the most part, 718 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: feel kind of like video game opponents too, And and 719 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: there isn't I like, when Ellie kills the kid in 720 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: Oklahoma City, that's a horrible moment because you under stand 721 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: that while it was necessary, it was self defense, all 722 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: these things, that you were killing a person who was 723 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,479 Speaker 1: just a scat. However, they however they found themselves there. 724 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,959 Speaker 1: It's it's it was a tragedy. And while they gave 725 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: you this little moment with the Seraphytes on the trail 726 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: where they set up the conflict between the wolves and 727 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: the and the Seraphites. I don't feel them humanized in 728 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: the same way that. Yeah, that that that season one 729 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: took the you know, the time and the effort to 730 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: humanize the various characters who came across the screen, and 731 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: it's that, you know, I don't even mind. I don't 732 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,720 Speaker 1: even mind if you go beat for beat of plotting 733 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: out like a scene like the video game. And but 734 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: I want to feel like these aren't just like video 735 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: game opponents set up to be killed in dozens and 736 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: dozens because that's what the game is for, you know, 737 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: Like that, really, I think that's the kind of thing 738 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: that I'm missing, you know, take a big swing and 739 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: show me what what what it's why these people have 740 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: arranged themselves in this cult, why the wolves have arranged 741 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: themselves like this? What it is exactly that made Isaac? 742 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: I think the Isaac scene is another one where we 743 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: see him take his squad. Why did he sees control 744 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: of the wolf with with hand Rahan, Like, what was 745 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: it about the way that that it was being run 746 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,959 Speaker 1: previously that made them feel like we need to take 747 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: control Yeah, I just feel like that emotional depth is 748 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: kind of missing a little bit for me and and 749 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm really feeling the lack of it and it and 750 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: to me, it's less about it. May be that that, 751 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: you know, the creative team just doesn't have a great 752 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: feel for Ellian Dina, but to me, it's like across 753 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: the board when I look, we're not getting that emotional depth. 754 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: And listen again, your mileage may very people who love 755 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 1: the game are like, this is great, I love this, 756 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: I love that. 757 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't need to know why. 758 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: I don't need to know because I know, but I'd 759 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: be interested to know what show watchers only feel about this. 760 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: And maybe we should have somebody on who's game interesting. 761 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: We should definitely do that because also I'm even just thinking. 762 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 3: About what we learn about the Seraphyite and like where 763 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,760 Speaker 3: they were formed and their leader was in the game 764 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 3: is actually a lot more than we have learned so. 765 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 2: Far right now. 766 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 3: So even in that way, some of that space and 767 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 3: time that we do get from the narrative moments and 768 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 3: the cut scenes of the game, and also the you know, 769 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 3: the little secrets you can find around, like the tapes 770 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 3: and the kind of lockets and the fireflight name tags 771 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 3: and everything, which I think as well, like we did 772 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 3: get a little bit more of in season one. You 773 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 3: make a great point like, actually we're kind of lacking 774 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 3: even though the action of the game and some of 775 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 3: the narrative beats are there, some of the storytelling motifs 776 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 3: that may have gotten expanded on in season one, we're 777 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 3: actually kind of lacking some of that context. I'll be 778 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 3: very interested to see what they do with episode six, 779 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 3: because it could be a great tying together of loose 780 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 3: ends and maybe answering some of these questions, or we 781 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 3: could see it go in a different route. So yeah, 782 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 3: I'm definitely intrigued, and I think it would be great 783 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 3: to have somebody on who has only watched. 784 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be interesting, because again, I don't think 785 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: this is a I don't think the show is bad. 786 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: I just think that the mark that season one set 787 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: is not necessarily being reached by m hmm season two. 788 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: In the next few episodes of xtuy Vision, we're diving 789 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: into the last batch of our episodes in our end 790 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: our recap plus, of course, are Star Wars Jedi Roundtable 791 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: on Wednesday and Friday, respectively, and as always used on Saturday. 792 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,840 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. 793 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 2: Goodbye. 794 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepcion and Rosie 795 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 1: Night and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 796 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. 797 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar. 798 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 3: Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bai wag. 799 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 800 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 801 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,400 Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 802 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 3: Heidi our discord moderator.