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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the white tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking to Adam Moore about

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Speaker 2: scouting down South. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Wired to

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Speaker 2: Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.

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Speaker 2: You probably know why.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is not the mustachioed madman Mark Kenyon. He's

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Speaker 2: actually off with our good friend Spencer making a kung

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Speaker 2: fu movie. That's honestly all the details I have on

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Speaker 2: this situation, but I'm sure he'll be a blockbuster, and

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Speaker 2: not just those two weirdos fake punching and kicking each

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Speaker 2: other in their pajamas while yelling hyah to one another. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I have a special treat for all you whitetail hunters

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Speaker 2: who say akorn Clay Newcombe style versus acorn, which is

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Speaker 2: the proper pronunciation. Today I'm speaking with Adam Moore, who

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Speaker 2: lives way down in the bottom of the country in Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: Adam is an accomplished outdoor writer who spends a lot

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Speaker 2: of time both bow and rifle hunting the swamp dwelling

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Speaker 2: whitetails the South. I had a blast talking with him

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Speaker 2: and hearing about his scouting strategies and how he deals

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Speaker 2: with the challenges of being a Southern whitetail hunter, and

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna love listening to his vice. Adam,

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Buddy.

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Speaker 3: Good, Great to be here, Tony. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Are you? Are you still a little sad that old

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Speaker 2: Cormack McCarthy finally finally bit the dust on us after

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Speaker 2: eighty nine years and his crazy journey as a writer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually wasn't sure like how to feel about

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Speaker 3: it at the time when I heard. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 3: it was like a blow, but like I don't know

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Speaker 3: him personally, But at the same time, like this is

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Speaker 3: also the guy who, like, it's probably the reason I

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Speaker 3: ended up, you know, studying English in college and even

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Speaker 2: All is your favorite author?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. Y.

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Speaker 3: I just finished his The Passenger actually a couple of

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Speaker 3: weeks ago, and was just thinking about that and then

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Speaker 3: another book i'd read of his suchery that I read

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Speaker 3: this summer too, and yeah, it was pretty cool because

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Speaker 3: you know he's writing about places that that are like

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Speaker 3: an hour away from me here in Mississippi. Uh. He

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Speaker 3: you know what, that's pretty cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He uh, he can really dial in a location, man.

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Speaker 2: I mean that guy. And if anybody anybody listened to this,

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Speaker 2: who's like, who the hell are you guys talking talking about?

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Speaker 2: This is this is the author of No Country for

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Speaker 2: Old Men. This is the author of the Road. You know,

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Speaker 2: those are the most famous works, probably because they're just

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Speaker 2: known as the you know, they turned into movies. But

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Speaker 2: he has written some amazing, amazing books in kind of

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Speaker 2: unlikely locations, a lot of American Southwest and like Adam

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Speaker 2: you know, the latest latest one down in New Orleans.

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Speaker 2: Just such a such a badass writer. And what I

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Speaker 2: didn't realize about it. You know, when I found out

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Speaker 2: and you know, I started started looking around. He didn't

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Speaker 2: so he was eighty nine when he passed away. He

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Speaker 2: didn't even really start getting any recognition as a writer

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean, and I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, Blood Meridians is the one really that put

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Speaker 3: lot of those Appalachian books. Man, they're just as like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he he has a gift or had a gift, man,

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Speaker 2: And it's I uh, I think it's I think it's

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Speaker 3: I have like thirty years sound good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you do you think I know we're going

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Speaker 2: think Blood Meridians ever going to actually get made into

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think just the fact that he was

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Speaker 3: that is it's gonna I'm not optimistic about it if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I kind of want to see

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Speaker 2: like the book was better, you know, of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think No Country was

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Speaker 2: The imagery so badass. Some of that stuff in Blood

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Speaker 2: to expose yourself to so many different voices. And you know,

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Speaker 2: me a lot is we don't talk to Southern deer

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Speaker 2: hunters enough. And I fully like, you're right, I hear you.

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Speaker 2: It happens where you kind of see the white tail

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Speaker 2: I know when you do, you learn stuff. And that's

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Speaker 2: why I'm so excited to have you on because anybody

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Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, where where where are you living at?

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Speaker 3: it doesn't. As far as cold tempts go, it's gonna

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Speaker 2: So, well, what what is a cold day for you guys?

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, so an average cold day, you know,

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Speaker 2: So during your during just like an average let's just

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Speaker 3: That eighties the month of October? If we get an

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Speaker 3: it when it comes to the early season, it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's only so much you can do in

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Speaker 2: that department. What what does it mean for you? Well,

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Speaker 2: I know what I was going to ask you before

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Speaker 2: we get into it. What what's the hunt hunting culture?

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Speaker 2: Like I've hunted with a few dudes from Mississippi. They

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Speaker 2: were all pretty damn good, and it it feels I don't,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to describe it. Where I live,

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Speaker 2: your uncles and your you know, your cousins and who

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Speaker 2: have And that's kind of like the traditional deer hunt here.

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Speaker 2: It's a short window, but it feels like there's a

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Speaker 2: different way of life in a lot of places down

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's you know, multiple facets of that too,

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Speaker 3: like you know, we call them usually hunting clubs or

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Speaker 3: dog hunting is a big thing here. Really, it's pretty

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Speaker 2: Well, we got a feel ourselves the hound hunting thing

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Speaker 2: Sure was it was that. Uh did you do that

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Speaker 3: Know, right, Yeah, I know, and it's yeah, it's definitely

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Speaker 3: There are ways to do it wrong, for sure. Fortunately,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So obviously everyone's you know, spaced out in a

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And a lot of times you have I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's it's actually pretty cool. I'll like kind

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Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting. I suppose you know, we should probably

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Speaker 2: Because you're primarily hunting public land, right, Yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I have. My dad owns about one hundred and forty acres,

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Speaker 2: Do you do you find because I was wondering about this.

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Speaker 2: you look at like a fresh trail here in February,

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00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: it doesn't doesn't translate well to next bo season, you know.

432
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 2: But I wonder about you, like in your situation and

433
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: down south, in a lot of places, you don't have

434
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: a big seasonal seasonal shift quite like we do. Like

435
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: they're not worried about freezing to death in Mississippi. So

436
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: do you see like a tighter correspondence to that spring scouting,

437
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: like every sign, every trail track you find, like, is

438
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 2: it pretty tight to what you'd find in the season

439
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 2: or there's still some pretty big differences.

440
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say there's some still some pretty big differences

441
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 3: because and again, you know, everything is relative. So when

442
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 3: it I told us some moth, you know, it's January,

443
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: and so what the deer, what that looks like basically

444
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 3: is the deer shifting cover and they're also shifting you know,

445
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: food patterns. So uh, and I've noticed, you know, this

446
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: changes even for dough like dough bedding areas. You know,

447
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 3: whatever that was in October probably isn't going to be

448
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: at least some you know, if you're hunting primarily like

449
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: public land and you're you're hunting hard and soft mass

450
00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 3: and brows, national browse, like that's going to change, and

451
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: that's probably gonna change their betting area from October, uh

452
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: to the end of the season. You know. And at

453
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: the end of January this past year, I was sort

454
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: of focused on a dough group that was pointing the

455
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 3: key in on the rut because I knew there was

456
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 3: a buck in the area. And so in October, you know,

457
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 3: these dough group, this dough group was better in one

458
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 3: area because they were their betting area was right next

459
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: to any of white oaks wheny of red oaks bat

460
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 3: some of that hard mass that they're hitting as soon

461
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 3: as they're dropping in October and then throughout November. But

462
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 3: then the same dough group eventually, you know, so the

463
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: end of December, end of January ended up and I

464
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: saw them consistently, you know, coming out, I know, four

465
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 3: or five nights from another betting area, and it was

466
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: eight hundred yards away from that, and that was because

467
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 3: they shifted the betting area. They shifted to at this

468
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: really soft edge along it was the cutover with pines

469
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: that are probably twelve fifteen feet tall, and then there

470
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: was a ton of brows, ton of like green brier

471
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: that they've been munching on. And then there were also

472
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 3: a lot of water oaks, which are kind of like

473
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: the least desirable out of the you know, the white

474
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: white oaks and red oaks. I found that water oaks

475
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 3: are really kind of the last ones that they're going

476
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 3: to eat as the season progresses, and so yeah, it

477
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: was just cool to see like how that shifted based

478
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: on what their food source was at that time of

479
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: year and what food was available to.

480
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: Those water oaks. Is is that a tannin thing as well?

481
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: Like the difference between the white and the reds. Yeah, yeah,

482
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: so you actually have three options to play there, you know,

483
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: the whites first, then the reds, and then the water oaks.

484
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 3: Yeah. And we also have a swamp chestnut oak, which

485
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: is those are awesome too. If you found one of

486
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: those that those can be really hot. Yeah, food autumn

487
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,239
Speaker 3: for them too. There's a giant acren just like a

488
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: wide oak.

489
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: Clay would be so proud of you for saying that acren.

490
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: So are you primarily I'm not getting a big destination

491
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: food source viab out of you, So you're you're primarily

492
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: scouting hard mass, soft mass and browse to keion and

493
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: then narrow it maybe down to dough group betting based

494
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: around food sources and then play the buck game around that.

495
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean for the bug betting too. So

496
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: the thing about the South, like our growing season is

497
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: exponentially longer than the rest of the country, and so

498
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: that so there's a ton of betting area, Like you know,

499
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: that's one thing you talk about. You know, Southern hunting

500
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: doesn't get deer hunting doesn't get a ton of coverage.

501
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 3: And that's one thing you know, I've noticed throughout the years,

502
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 3: like with the betting that you know, a lot of

503
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: Midwestern guys key in on or it just really wasn't

504
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: applicable to the South because there's so much betting. Just

505
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: because it's so thick and everything's so green for so long,

506
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 3: deer can bed and feed in the same place and

507
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: really not have to move that far all day.

508
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: Do you find because of that that there there's just

509
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: looser patterns too.

510
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it seems like they're looser patterns. I think

511
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: it's just that when there's ample amount of coverage and

512
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: big bucks don't have to leave cover or they don't

513
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 3: have to travel far to find the food, it's it

514
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 3: seems like the deer aren't moving. But you know, we know,

515
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 3: like you know MSU deer lab right up the road

516
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: is down studies where it's like, no, these these bucks

517
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 3: are moving, just like they move in the Midwest. It's

518
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 3: like they move in the Northeast like they're just in

519
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: cover or you're just not in the right place.

520
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing how just just levels of visibility, color

521
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: our entire experience around that, right, Like, and it was

522
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: bad when we didn't have trail cameras and you had

523
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: to actually lay eyes on them somehow, and now with

524
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 2: trail cameras it's gotten like exponentially worse, where it's like

525
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: we just draw these conclusions based off these tiny, little

526
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: anecdotal pieces of evidence, like well they're all nocturnal or

527
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: they don't move through here. And then you know, when

528
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: you keep talking about this, all I keep thinking in

529
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: my head is Big Woods hunting, Like it just it

530
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: reminds me of that where it's like you're not going

531
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: to pinpoint like a specific you know, bench on a

532
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: on a bluff side and be like he's gonna bed there.

533
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: There's a billion places for it. And then if there

534
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 2: isn't that dreamy cornfield or soybean field, then you're like,

535
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: now the pattern doesn't seem A to B because I

536
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 2: can't watch it and there's not the consistency to it.

537
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: So it's a totally different game than a lot of

538
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: way tail hunting.

539
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's it's very much like the Big Woods

540
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: because we have so many betting areas, you know, and

541
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of mistakes. I see guys

542
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: making is like they do. They get a nice buck

543
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: on camera and they're like, oh, well he's betting here.

544
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: I know he's betting here because I have them on

545
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: camera and all I need to do is like play

546
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: the wind and set up here. The reality is like, okay,

547
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: he was better there that day. But there's also great

548
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: betting four hundred yards away over here, or there's you

549
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: know to the south, there's like two hundred yards away,

550
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: there's even more betting, and it's like all that buck

551
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: has to do is like travel through that and browse

552
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: through that and or being one different location than when

553
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: you expect them to be here, and it's like, oh,

554
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: well somebody killed him. He's gone nocturnal. So yeah, it

555
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: is a lot like Big Wood's hunting without, but on

556
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: a much smaller scale.

557
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: Well, and it's pretty flat too, right, Yeah.

558
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: That's another thing that can be frustrating. Right, it's really

559
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: flat in a lot of places. So you know, looking

560
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 3: for those you know, awesome topographical features like oh, like

561
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: here's a saddle, I know it's gonna be here, or

562
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: here's a ridge system. Not to say we don't have those,

563
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: we definitely have those. The way deer traveling or utilizing

564
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: those can be a lot different because of the betting.

565
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: It's like they're not going to bet on the end

566
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: of a bald ridge when you know there's a pine

567
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: thicket three hundred yards away from that and they can

568
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: get to the food source and still have the wind

569
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: at their back and feel comfortable with it.

570
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, And just as just generally speaking, the

571
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: thicker it gets, the ladder it gets, the harder it gets.

572
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: Like you talk about play and win and patterning deer.

573
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: I mean I I never really realized this until I

574
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: started hunting a lot of big wood stuff because I

575
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: grew up hunting bluff country, you know, like, and I

576
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: didn't I didn't understand the advantage you have in figuring

577
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: out deer movement when there's a lot of turn like

578
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: up and down terrain, and then when it starts to

579
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: get flatter. It's like a whole not even just like betting,

580
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: not just travel like that. There's a whole different ballgame

581
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: you have to play where they don't have to go

582
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: through here from point A to B, and they can

583
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: easily get down wind to you, and if they figure

584
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: out that you might be there, they will get down

585
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: wind to you, and it's it changes the entire game

586
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: by a lot.

587
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. And I think that's what makes you know,

588
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: a lot of the you know, a lot of advice

589
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: you hear from the industry. You know, it's almost like

590
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: this blanket statement for deer hunting, like, oh, just find

591
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 3: the the funnel. And it's like, okay, well what if

592
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: your funnel is like this wide. Yeah, and obviously, and

593
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: that's the that's the key though, like you can still

594
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: find those places. It's just king in on sign. It

595
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: is king in on you know, if there is slight

596
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: topographical features that might not you know, pop up on

597
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: on X or something like. It's it's getting in there,

598
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: getting boots on the ground and finding, you know, those

599
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 3: things that aren't going to show up on the map.

600
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: Like this past year, I was kind of just speed

601
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 3: scouting a place in the middle of the season. I

602
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: was still hunting. The wind was was kind of squirrely

603
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: this day, so I was like, well, I'm gonna kind

604
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 3: of play a conservative, just use this as a scouting day.

605
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: There's an area that I'd been wanting to check out.

606
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 3: It's kind of downwind of some bedding between and there's

607
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: a there's a little strip of timber between it and

608
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 3: the creek, and so I just want to get in

609
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: there and check it out. So I was still hunting

610
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: through there during gun season and didn't show up on

611
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: the map at all, but there was just this I'm

612
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you would call it. It was

613
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: like maybe four feet tall. It was like a mini

614
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 3: ridge just jutting out from this cutover. And I was like,

615
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go check that out. I bet there's a

616
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: scrape on it. And I went and checked it out,

617
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: and there's just this massive community scrape on it. And

618
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: this was, you know, during our rut this so this

619
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: was in near the end of December, fresh Fresh scrape

620
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: community scrape. But buck had worked it that morning. The

621
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: branch was broken, there was dirt in the leaves. I

622
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: was like, okay, this is hot sign. I'm just gonna

623
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: kind of set up down wind of this and see

624
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: what happens. And sure enough, like a buck who we

625
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: so we have antler restriction here, And I couldn't tell

626
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 3: if this buck was you know, he was a borderline,

627
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: but sure enough he came down winded that and I

628
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: just kind of watched him check out that scrape and

629
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: then move on.

630
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it isn't it wild? How even? I mean,

631
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: the rules do apply, it's just not it's just different.

632
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: You know when you when you talk about like a

633
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: four foot rise, there's so many places where that wouldn't

634
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 2: even like, it wouldn't even register. And then when once

635
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 2: you get into flat country, it's a whole different thing,

636
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 2: and they're still using terrain features that way. I wanted

637
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: to ask you so while you're while you're out there scouting,

638
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: because I've found that too, where the traditional advice on

639
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: like get that get on that terrain trap, that that

640
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: pinch point, that funnel, whatever. When it the flatter it gets,

641
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: the harder it is to find. Usually that corresponds with

642
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: a lot of swamps and a lot of water, and

643
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 2: you're talking about getting rain every day. And the one

644
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: thing that I started to find when I started hunting

645
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 2: more that was, yeah, I don't have like just this

646
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: badass like saddle that's got you know, like you know,

647
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 2: a bluff side saddle or something that's going to force movement.

648
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: But I started to find a little higher ground going

649
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: between swamp to swamp or you know, you know, hardwood

650
00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: to hardwood, something like something just to work with, and

651
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: it was usually tied to a water feature, like they're

652
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: going to go through here because it's easier than swimming

653
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: or going through the mud straight across. Do you do

654
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: you find that? Yeah?

655
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely so in relation of water. So I was hunting

656
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: this one area last year, new area, and basically it

657
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: is where the creek was making a almost a complete

658
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: u and so a lot of those places right the

659
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: creek when it does get high, it's kind of washing

660
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: out those sides or exposing some of it and just

661
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: kind of forms a natural creek crossing. So I will

662
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 3: look for those and then really a lot of it.

663
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: A lot of success I've had has been like just

664
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: getting boots on the ground because a lot of those

665
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: things don't show up. And one in particular I found

666
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: last year and it didn't even show up, Like was

667
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 3: this steep embankment. So we're where the creek hauld basically

668
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 3: wash this bank out and it was probably a twenty

669
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 3: foot drop there, but there's creek crossing at the base

670
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: of it. There was two really nice rubs, rubs that

671
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: I was excited about on both sides of that creek crossing.

672
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 3: And then there was also one on top of that

673
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 3: little little bluff, so it kind of made this sea

674
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: shape down around the creek down to that crossing, if

675
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: this is making sense, and you could almost see like

676
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 3: you can almost see all the rubs leading around from

677
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: that from the top of that embankment down to where

678
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: that creek crossing was at, and of course there was

679
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: you know, tons of tracks you're signed them just traveling

680
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 3: through there. So finding those little little places where you know,

681
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: maybe the creek isn't as deep, yeah, I think those

682
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: are key to when when you're dealing with such a wide,

683
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 3: flat area, like looking for those those crossings that are

684
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 3: really easy for them to get through so they don't

685
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: have to wait or they don't have to make a

686
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 3: huge job of a bank.

687
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: Do you find when you're doing that, you know, let's

688
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: say you're out there in February March and you're looking

689
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: around for something like that. Do you find a lot

690
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: of consistent spots or do you find something where you're like, man,

691
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: the signs here from you know, this past season they

692
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: just wrapped up. I'm gonna give it a shot. But

693
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: you because what I'm going with this is like when

694
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 2: I hunt public land a lot and I scouted a lot.

695
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes I stumble onto something that's really good,

696
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: like that a spot, But a lot of times I

697
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: feel like I'm just getting clued into a pattern, you know,

698
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: kind of like when you're a bass mentioned where you're like, oh,

699
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: they're just doing this, Like I just need to do

700
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: this now because I know, you know, people might come in,

701
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: they might run their dogs through there, like things are

702
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: gonna change there. But the more you expose yourself to,

703
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: you know, looking at this type of spot in person,

704
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: you go, Okay, they use this here, even though this

705
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: isn't gonna maybe last for years and years because things

706
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: are going to change. It's I'm better off knowing it

707
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: because I can see this again and again in different spots.

708
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 3: Yeah. So one thing, edges I think are a big

709
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: thing that people overlook, even in the South, like so

710
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 3: hard or soft edges, especially those soft edges that are

711
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: really subtle. So last year I was hunting this buck

712
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: and I was basically I'd found his rubs and I

713
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: was pretty sure I knew where they were leading to

714
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: this general betting area, and I was trying to narrow

715
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: down exactly where how he was accessing it or kind

716
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 3: of where he was betting at because it's oh, I

717
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: don't know, like five hundred acres of a bit of

718
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: potential betting and he's probably not betting out in the

719
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: middle of it, like it's just too thick. That also

720
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 3: just doesn't really give him a super advantage as far

721
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: as like if he needs to get out of.

722
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, he doesn't need to put in that work

723
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: when you can get the advantage closer to the edge,

724
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: right right.

725
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: And I think that's another thing too that people would

726
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: just assume, like, oh, there's a giant block of you know,

727
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: young pines like that deer, there's gonna there's gotta be

728
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: a massive buck in there, and that's just you know,

729
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: unfortunately not the case. He's not diving off in the

730
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: middle of there. But so anyway, I was hunting this

731
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 3: area I found as rubs. I was trying to you know,

732
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: backtrack it back to the bedding. What I found was

733
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: a lot of these rubs were in this bedding area too.

734
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 3: Went up slightly, so I wouldn't even call it a hill. Really,

735
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: it might have went up ten twenty feet, not a

736
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 3: significant change. But what I did notice is that his

737
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: rubs were long. This transition right, which is was pretty

738
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 3: you know universal. You know, you find that buck travel route,

739
00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: you find that sign along these transitions, and eventually I

740
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: ended up seeing this buck during the rut the same area,

741
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: and the doe that by this point it kind of

742
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: shifted to this area as well, just because the natural brows,

743
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 3: so they had shipped closer to where the buck was betting.

744
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: But but but I have found that like those soft edges,

745
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: even though they get overlooked, there's bucks on there and

746
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: if they're leading, you know, that's leading to bedding. There's

747
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: a lot of good natural brows there. Like there's a

748
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: lot of greenbrier that have been nipped off, so there's

749
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: food there. You know, when he's staging before he's going

750
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: out into the the woods, you know, the big open woods,

751
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 3: he's not he's not going to be there in shooting light.

752
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: But that browse area, Yeah, that's that's kind of where

753
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: I saw him at.

754
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's talk about that a little bit. Because

755
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: the soft edges don't get a lot of love, and

756
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: like you just you kind of just laid out there

757
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: is a you know, they connect something to sell thing typically,

758
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: so there's they're kind of a natural travel route with

759
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: some cover keep you hidden. They almost always offer some

760
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: kind of brows that you might not find in that

761
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: nice big open woods or that woods you'd want a

762
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: turkey hunt through or whatever. And it's not so thick

763
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: that it kind of sucks to be there. So it

764
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 2: has all these different advantages and they're just not something

765
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: that a lot of people are going to focus on. So,

766
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: so give me an example when you're down there, whether

767
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: you're winter scouting or you're sneaking through you know, bow hunting,

768
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: rifle hunting, whatever, what Like, what's a scenario where you'd

769
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: find a soft edge? Like what creates it for you

770
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 2: down there?

771
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? So usually when so we have a lot of

772
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: pine and hardwood bigs and a lot of these places,

773
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: especially if you're hunting National forest or you know WMAs,

774
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 3: then those are like they're not logging those, especially if

775
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: they're you know, mature woods like so where those come

776
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: together typically even if they're you know, older pines. A

777
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: lot of the way the WMA is managed is sort

778
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: of dictated by pine growth as well, because right they

779
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: can regenerate, they provide a lot of bedding cover for deer.

780
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 3: So anywhere that's been logged, right, so you think about

781
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 3: logging cuts, you know, which is obviously applicable to the

782
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: big woods if you're thinking about the northeast or even

783
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: big woods anywhere else. So where there's been disturbance there,

784
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 3: whether it's been five to ten years, a lot of

785
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 3: those transitions from from there to big open hardwoods, right

786
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: because the deer are going to want to be there

787
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: in the early season, and there's still going to be

788
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: plenty of brows in those transitions later on in the

789
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 3: season as well.

790
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's you know, you kind of mentioned earlier

791
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: that a lot of the traditional white tail advice doesn't

792
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: really apply to you and or you know, to southern

793
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: hunting in general. And I think it's important to know

794
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: because you would think, like it's really easy for me

795
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: to write an article about the scouting and how to

796
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: find a soft edge in my world, right, like you

797
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: could you can see it depending if you know what

798
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: to look for, you can find those and the timber

799
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: production like you're talking about is the easiest way to

800
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: find it. But there's you know, there's old homesteads in

801
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: the woods, there's old fence lines, there's old meta like

802
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: there's stuff that you can find and you'd think, okay,

803
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: well I get into the big woods down south, and

804
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: you know, maybe on X or something isn't quite as valuable.

805
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: But you just have to learn how to read it differently.

806
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: And and I would say probably have to get your

807
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 2: ass in there and walk around a little bit more

808
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: to actually see how it goes versus just calling your

809
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: shots from staring at your phone screen.

810
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: Oh that's been yeah, that that's probably been the biggest help.

811
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 3: It's just like obviously, like you know, narrowing down a

812
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 3: place is super helpful and be like, okay, I can

813
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: tell obviously here's a here's some potential bedding, right, this

814
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 3: has been cut in the last whatever five years. I

815
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: know this is gonna be some. This is gonna be

816
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: great betting. Now need to get in there and see, like, okay,

817
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: well what's going to keep them around there? What? Because

818
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 3: we have a lot of sweet gums too, And now

819
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 3: I've known, you know a lot of guys look at

820
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: a map or and think like, oh this is this

821
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: should be great, and it's like, no, it looks like

822
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: a bunch of great hardwoods, but that's the whole block

823
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: of sweet gums. And they don't have any reason to

824
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 3: be to be in there trying to know where we're

825
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: going with.

826
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: Well, just just talking about the difference in kind of

827
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: learning what to read on on X and stuff and

828
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: just you know, like again kind of the same rules

829
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: kind of, but it's a different playing field.

830
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and especially long you know, if you're

831
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 3: hunting along creek or river systems, that's another thing, like

832
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 3: there's probably gonna be some cane breaks around there where

833
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: deer can bed, and they're probably not gonna bet in

834
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 3: those super consistently, depending on the size of these cane breaks,

835
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 3: but a lot of times, especially you know, if a place,

836
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: depending on how wet it stays and how deep the

837
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 3: water is, deer will bed and super thick stuff like

838
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: that on the edge of cane breaks. Actually jumped up

839
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: a buck last year in a cane break that might

840
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 3: have been ten feet by ten feet. It was in

841
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: the middle of big woods, but it was closer. It

842
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: was one of those subtle soft edges, right, So there

843
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: was a couple patches of cane that he was kind

844
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 3: of the one that he was in, and then it

845
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: steadily got thicker and thicker into what you know, he

846
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: probably would assume was betting, but he was just betting

847
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: in you know, this patch of cane, and you know

848
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: that doesn't really look like a soft edge, but it is.

849
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 3: And it was just really subtle, and you're not going

850
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: to know that until you bump a deer out of it.

851
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: I think I think under standing edge habitat as a

852
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: as an outdoorsman in general is like way important. I mean,

853
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 2: we this is gonna sound way off topic, but I'll

854
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: bring it home. Like we pheasant hunt a lot up here,

855
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: and we hunt a lot of cattail sleughs. And you

856
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: stand and look into a cattail slough that's a couple

857
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: of hundred acres, and it looks like mono habitat, like

858
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: you know, it looks like a cornfield right like you're like,

859
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: it looks all the same. You might see a little

860
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: patch of willows or something out there. You might see

861
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: some like differentiation somewhere, But once you get into there,

862
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: you start jumping roosters where there's an edge of some sort,

863
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: like it's where those cattails meet some other kind of

864
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: brush or a little higher ground, or you know, a

865
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: little waterway through there or something, and those are also

866
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: the same place as you jump deer. And then when

867
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: you start doing what you're talking about, and you get

868
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: into the woods and you scout a lot and pay attention,

869
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: you realize there are concentrations of deer around these things

870
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: that you just wouldn't know until you were there.

871
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you you know, it's easy when you're looking

872
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: at an app right, it looks like everything is nice

873
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: and divided, right, and everything looks like a hard edge.

874
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: Or even even the way we think about, you know,

875
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 3: deer movement or deer bedding is like, oh, the deer

876
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: bed here, I hunt here, and it's gonna happen here.

877
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 3: And that's hardly the case, right, yep. They just don't

878
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 3: move from We like to think of the deer movement

879
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 3: as being linear, but and it may seem like that,

880
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: but I think that's far from far from the case.

881
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: It's even in places where it should be, at least

882
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: in my experience. You know, when I've hunted out west

883
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 2: and I'm hunting like a river bottom where I can

884
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: see them, you know what I mean, I see them

885
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: moving early and there they should be going from this

886
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 2: patch of cover to that field. You wash how they

887
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 2: do it, and so often it is not that linear. Movement.

888
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: You will see that right at last slight and right

889
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: at first light sometimes where it's like they just put

890
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: their nose down and they go. But most of the

891
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: time where they're killable isn't where they're they're taking that road.

892
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: That's a that's a during dark type of thing a

893
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: lot of times.

894
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you know, I'll hunt my dad. My

895
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 3: dad and I we plant food pots at his place,

896
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: and you know, will hunt those. And but when all

897
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: you see is deer coming into the food pot, you think, oh, well,

898
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: deer just came from bedding here, And it's like, yeah,

899
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 3: you didn't see that deer across the you know, come

900
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: up to the creek feat along the edge of it,

901
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 3: you know, clip some of this green brier, and then

902
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: dip down. Maybe maybe they like made a movement back

903
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: up this way to get the wind where they came

904
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: out at the food pot. You don't see that.

905
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: No, because you're not You're just literally not witnessing it.

906
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: So I want to I want to switch gears a

907
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: second here. Uh do you do any i'mer scouting down there?

908
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do not a ton. I do a couple,

909
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: especially if I want to check out new places. Just

910
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: to kind of get boots on the ground and see

911
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: see what's there. Because if it looks like you know,

912
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: if it's got one bedding, it's got good access. I

913
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 3: can get in there and I know there's you know,

914
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: I can see a ton of white oaks around. If

915
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 3: I can see that there's good brows, then you know,

916
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: I kind of make a note, whether mentally or in

917
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 3: on on X and uh, you know, make that, just

918
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: make that note, you know, like hey, I should come

919
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 3: back here and check this out, or am I getting there?

920
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: Like last year I went, I wanted to check this

921
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 3: place out because access to it was very limited as

922
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: far as like other hunters would go or what they

923
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: would be willing to do. And I was like, oh,

924
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 3: this should be a great place, you know, and got

925
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: in there and it just wasn't the case. So so

926
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: I'll use for summer scouting. That's kind of my approach

927
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 3: to it. It's like, hey, is this going to be

928
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: a good option that I need to check out again?

929
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: So it's not really an in depth and it's also

930
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: just so thick. We have a ton of snakes down

931
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: here and it's just you know, screaming hot, So it's

932
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 3: not it's cool, but it gets the old point too.

933
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: So you kind of use your January February time window

934
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 2: to scout places that you're like, I hunt here, like

935
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: this is one of my go to properties. And then

936
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: in the summer you're looking at on X or whatever

937
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: and you're like, hey, I you know, I don't really

938
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: know that WMA or that part of the national forest.

939
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 2: So then you'll go in and kind of turn and

940
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 2: burn and just see if it's worth some more of

941
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 2: your time. Right do you do you run trail cameras

942
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: down there at all?

943
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: Now I'm a public land. Will we do some my

944
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: dad's place that we hunt? It just doesn't really. I

945
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 3: found that the hot sign is just way more useful

946
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 3: than trying to fumble with cameras.

947
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 2: Because you feel like you're sort of working on old

948
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: information all the time.

949
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: That and I do a lot of still hunting anyway,

950
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 3: so I'm you know, I'm trying to I'm on the move,

951
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 3: and especially when the rut kicks in, like I feel

952
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: like that is where a lot of people get, you know,

953
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: fall into a trap. It's like, oh, here's my this

954
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 3: is the dad I've got from the camera. Well that's cool.

955
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: If you saw this buck here two days ago, but

956
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: he might not be here. He could be fire for

957
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 3: me yards away. You know, he could be half a

958
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: mile away. And I've just found that, you know, if

959
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: you're hunting public land, it's just a lot easier if

960
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: you do the work yourself.

961
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I love trail cameras on private land.

962
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 2: I don't use them on public like almost never, because

963
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: I just feel like it's it's not the right tool

964
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 2: for the job for what I'm doing. Anyway, what's the

965
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 2: gun season down there? Because I know in a lot

966
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: of places, you know, we talk about gun season up here,

967
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: it might be a couple of weeks or a month,

968
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 2: depending on where you live. But I know in a

969
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: lot of Southern states there's like a pretty prolonged, you know,

970
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: rifle season in a lot of places that you know,

971
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 2: overlaps with the BOST season. What are you dealing with

972
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 2: down there?

973
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: So our gun season thing kicks off? It's like November eighteen?

974
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: When does your BOST season start?

975
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 3: October? First?

976
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: We did.

977
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: We did get a three day velvet season last year

978
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: in starts in September. I think it's like maybe the

979
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: second or third week of September, but it's three days.

980
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 2: So then your traditional bost season opens October one, and

981
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: then your your gun season opens in like third week

982
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 2: of November something like that.

983
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: Okay, then, so depending on where your hunting gap, whether

984
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 3: it's National forest or wm A. You know, there are

985
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 3: primitive weapons seasons in there as well. But if you're

986
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 3: hunting private land at least here in Mississippi, uh, you

987
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: can use weapon of choice once gun season opens, So yeah,

988
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: you can use whatever rifle you want. Basically from that

989
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 3: third weekend November to the end of end of January.

990
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 2: Are there any Is there any people out there still

991
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: bowl hunting by like the end of December.

992
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: Honestly, there's not a ton of people. Uh, not a

993
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: ton of people bow hunting in October? Like can like

994
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: bow hunting, I feel like isn't as big in Southern

995
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 3: culture as it is in the Midwest, right because there's

996
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 3: a lot of states you can't You're limited to straight

997
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: wall cartridges or shotguns. You know, I grew up, I didn't.

998
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 3: I didn't start bow hunt until I was in college

999
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 3: because nobody in my in my family bow hunted. It

1000
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: was like, why why are you gonna hunt? Not October,

1001
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 3: it's hot, there's a ton of mosquitoes. Hunting is not

1002
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 3: going to get good until that first we get gun

1003
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: season anyway, And so they're like, I'm telling you, the

1004
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: amount of boat owners I ran into hunting public land

1005
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: is right now, it is very little, huh.

1006
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 2: And I mean that's largely well, it's a function of

1007
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: the conditions, but it's also a function of having just

1008
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: a long available gun season.

1009
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that's the idea. Like a lot

1010
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: of people are like, well, why would I, you know,

1011
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: miss a chance at shooting a bug if I can

1012
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: take my rifle, which, you know, if that's what you

1013
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: want to do, that's fine. But yeah, we and because

1014
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 3: you know, I know a lot of a lot of

1015
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: Midwesterners talk about the the October loll right, which is

1016
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: is or isn't this thing?

1017
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: That's Kenyon's bullshit. That's not.

1018
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know, in the South, we have the October

1019
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: November role, so we open at the same time. It's

1020
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: just the no, the deer's still moving, got to find.

1021
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 2: But how does that affect your scouting? Knowing knowing there's

1022
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: going to be you know, four months of pressure on

1023
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: those year and two and a half months or whatever

1024
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 2: that is is going to be rifle hunters, and probably

1025
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: a lot of them kind of doing what you're doing,

1026
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: where they're still hunting because of the terrain and maybe

1027
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 2: not not setting up and waiting on them as much

1028
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 2: as they would in other places. Does it affect your

1029
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: scouting at all? I mean, is that why you're so

1030
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: tuned into like the mass thing because you can follow

1031
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 2: it by you know, timeframe of the season.

1032
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it does a little bit. I mean mainly

1033
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 3: with that effects is the places I'm going to spend time,

1034
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 3: so you know, if it's depending on depending on where

1035
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 3: it's at and so so part of that scouting too

1036
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 3: is I'm looking for hunter activity as well, Like is

1037
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: there been a lot of hunters here? Do I see

1038
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 3: a lot of trucks parked there as well? And in

1039
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: the past, I've had the privilege of like to be

1040
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: able to hunt during a week a lot, which I've

1041
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: had a great, great success with, Like as far as

1042
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 3: running into other hunters just for whatever reasons, you know,

1043
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 3: on Saturdays, it's a different story. But during the week,

1044
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 3: so that's one thing I try to shoot for. But

1045
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 3: as far as like places I'm gonna to target to hunt.

1046
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 3: You know, I'm thinking, all right, my access, how far

1047
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: away is it from the nearest parking lot? Is this

1048
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 3: a heavily pressure wm A. If it's not, then I'm

1049
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: pretty I can just about bed. I'm not going to

1050
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 3: run into anybody. It's kind of crazy, like like I

1051
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 3: think that especially. I just think the South is like overlooked.

1052
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 3: I don't know why. I mean, we like Mississippi, like

1053
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: this state produces good bucks. Like you know, on public

1054
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 3: land and private you can shoot a Like I'm not

1055
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 3: gonna say you should hold out for a one hundred

1056
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: and fifty class year on public land, but the reality

1057
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 3: of you, you know, getting a shot at a nice

1058
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 3: book is I mean, it's reality. There's just not a

1059
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 3: lot of pressure that I've found.

1060
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: Now.

1061
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 3: There are places right like I'd like the Delta, which is,

1062
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 3: you know, known for producing big bucks in the state,

1063
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 3: it gets pressured a lot. But also the public land

1064
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: you're dealing with out there is more. It's a lot smaller,

1065
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 3: it's a lot more concentrated. Your access to places are

1066
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: also a lot easier, whereas you're if you're dealing with

1067
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of national forest here in like

1068
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: the central or even the northern and southern parts of

1069
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 3: the state. Like you know, you might walk, you know,

1070
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: a mile or even half a mile and not even

1071
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 3: not worry about seeing a hunter. It's it's cool and

1072
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 3: pretty wild to think about.

1073
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: At the same time, what I'm getting from you are

1074
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: a couple things that are like, there are lessons that

1075
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: everybody who's listening to this should pay attention to. You

1076
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: kind of alluded to this earlier and I want to

1077
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: touch on it, and I kind of forgot, but when

1078
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: you mentioned there's betting everywhere, Like that lesson is look

1079
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: at where you hunt. What does the land have everywhere

1080
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: for the deer, because that's not that important. So if

1081
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: you're just as an example, like if you if you

1082
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 2: went and hunted someplace in Iowa, food would be everywhere,

1083
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: you know, And I'm not saying don't focus on food.

1084
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying the betting would be more important there.

1085
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 2: Now you talk about hunting down there, and it's like, man,

1086
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: we've got betting everywhere, So you better brush up on browse,

1087
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: you better brush up on these little subtle elevation changes

1088
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: where they might throw that community scrape because it's it's

1089
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: there's an advantageous position there, something like what isn't like

1090
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: overly common there? You've got water everywhere down there, You're

1091
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 2: not going to play that pattern, right like if you're

1092
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: you know, if you're in South Dakota in some places,

1093
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: that might be a huge deal because there could be

1094
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: limited water, like think about that. And then the other

1095
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: thing is we tend to focus so much on all

1096
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: the disadvantages we have. So you mentioned a couple things

1097
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: about how thick it is, you know, how snakes, the mosquitos,

1098
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: the general weather. But also even though you have this

1099
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: super long gun season that keeps a bunch of bow

1100
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: hunters out, so you have an advantage there is a

1101
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: bow hunter in a major way. And this is this

1102
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: goes for anyone wherever you're living. There's bad parts about

1103
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: where you hunt, but you probably have some advantages that

1104
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: maybe you're not giving full credit to that could work,

1105
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: like you could work them. And I love hearing that.

1106
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: And it's not to say that any of that's easy.

1107
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 2: It's not like it's going to you know, I know,

1108
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: Adam's sitting here telling you just come down there and

1109
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: shoot a couple one thirties and you'll be good. It's

1110
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: not so simple. But you do have advantages, and I

1111
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: think that's so cool about wherever you hunt.

1112
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think one thing too, you know,

1113
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: me and a buddy, we're joking this past year, you know,

1114
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 3: just all the people we were listening to or talking

1115
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 3: on social media. You know, it's like, you know, mid

1116
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 3: December and it's like, well, deer season's over. That's it

1117
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: for this year. I guess we're gonna start time flies

1118
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 3: or whatever now, and it's like like, man, we haven't

1119
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 3: even hit the rut yet, Like like we have a

1120
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 3: month and a half of good, great deer hunting that's

1121
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: about to hit. And it really is. It's cool, like

1122
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 3: we don't have to deal with snow. You know, I

1123
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 3: don't have to tie flies to pass the time. You know,

1124
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 3: when winter gets here, it's like, no, this is like

1125
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 3: a great time to be in the woods, our rut.

1126
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 3: Depending on where you're at in the state, you know,

1127
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 3: it could be the first week of December, it could

1128
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 3: be the first week of January, which is great. Like

1129
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: I think that's why I set out to do English,

1130
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 3: or or I was thinking I was gonna do education

1131
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 3: because a freshman year of college, I had this month

1132
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 3: off and I had pre rut, the rut, the post

1133
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 3: rut to hunt, and I was like, man, this is great.

1134
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go into education and teach college so I

1135
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 3: can just like hunt and this is gonna be great.

1136
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: Dur in the South, I mean, I think my freshman

1137
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 3: year of college, so we have like a pretty liberal

1138
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 3: bag limit here, so you know, you can take three

1139
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 3: bucks and you can take I think it's four dos.

1140
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: I think it was five. But my freshman year at college,

1141
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 3: I filled three bug tags and a dough and was like, man,

1142
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 3: this is this is awesome, you know, and I think

1143
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 3: that is drastically different from obviously from you know, typical

1144
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: you know hunting industry.

1145
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 2: So well for sure. I mean, one of my biggest

1146
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: complaints about living in Minnesota is it's a one buck state.

1147
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: Generally we have some CWD stuff where you can shoot

1148
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: more now, but it's like, man, if you go out

1149
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 2: and you kill one on opening day, you're like, well, like,

1150
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to be that trout dork that you talk about.

1151
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: It's tie and flies, like all those all those guys

1152
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 2: we work with out in Bozeman who are going to

1153
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:01,959
Speaker 2: be mad at you for saying that they're not gonna

1154
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: let you in their drift boats. Uh, you mentioned everybody

1155
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 2: wants to hear this. I don't really care about snakes.

1156
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: They don't bother me very much. I've been around them

1157
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: a lot, and I don't have that like gene deep

1158
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: fear of them, But a lot of people do, and

1159
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 2: they always want to hear about it. What are you

1160
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 2: watching out for snake wise? Down there?

1161
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 3: So we got a lot of cotton mouths, and then

1162
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 3: you know down especially down south here around this National Fourth,

1163
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 3: we've got a lot of timber rattlers, copper heads two.

1164
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 3: But I found that cotton mouths really the biggest thing,

1165
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 3: especially you know it's wet if you're hunting a creek

1166
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: system or river bottom of cotton mouths now. And I've

1167
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 3: seen I have seen them out all year. I've seen snakes,

1168
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 3: you know, in February. But as far as like when

1169
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 3: I'm when I'm deer hunting, like, I'm not worried about them. Yeah,

1170
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 3: you know, if it's the if it's the early early

1171
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 3: both season, yeah, Turkey season. Yeah. But as far as

1172
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 3: far as the middle of der season, have.

1173
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: You ever been struck?

1174
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 3: No? I came close last year. I was summer scouting

1175
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 3: and I was just gonna drop jump across this little

1176
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 3: little creek, and I guess I just forgot to look

1177
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 3: this time and jumped across. And as soon as I

1178
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 3: jumped and I landed, I looked, and then I just

1179
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 3: saw this white mouth open and then one one leave.

1180
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 3: I just went right back across, and I was like, Nope,

1181
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 3: it's not that important. I can check it out later.

1182
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: Are cotton it's pretty aggressive?

1183
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 3: No, I mean no, unless you're trying to mess with them,

1184
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 3: you'll walk right by.

1185
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of contact of running into them

1186
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: in the places you're scouting deer a lot of times.

1187
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you even even if you step on them

1188
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 3: that they're they're really not that aggressive.

1189
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 2: What's your spider situation like, because that's what I do

1190
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: not like.

1191
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would rather have snakes than spiders. H

1192
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 3: Man post season, especially in their early early part, it's

1193
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 3: full of them. It's part of it.

1194
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: Like what what what kind?

1195
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 3: Oh? I mean they're all harmless. They're like, uh, I

1196
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 3: don't know what you would call a lot. We used

1197
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 3: to call banana spiders. They're kind of black and yellow

1198
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 3: and they make these they can they can get really big,

1199
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 3: but they're you know, they're not boisonous, and it's just

1200
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 3: kind of aicky thing.

1201
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're disgusting.

1202
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't want tom crawling. I would literally

1203
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 3: I would rather have a snake than a spider any day.

1204
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: Me too. I I hunted the first time I hunted

1205
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: down in Oklahoma. I uh, I don't set up a

1206
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: spot whatever. Went to go back in there the next morning.

1207
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: And this was this was on October one. They're opener

1208
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 2: down there that I think it still is, but that's

1209
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: what it was at that time. And I had my

1210
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: head lamp on and I just remember like walking along

1211
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 2: and there were spiders hanging like it was like they

1212
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: were almost out in the open air because their webs

1213
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: were so big and they were so big, and I

1214
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: just like, you know, you'd look up the trail and

1215
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: they're all the way up there, and you're like, I

1216
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: have to go up there, and I'm like, I think,

1217
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: I just want to go back and get my truck

1218
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 2: and go home. And I should have on that trip,

1219
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: because that was the one where I almost lost my

1220
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: nuts on a fence post. But I just do not

1221
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: like spiders so here in that because you almost had

1222
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: me talked into making that trip down there at some

1223
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: point and then you start talking about this, I'm like, man,

1224
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't mind having these winners where

1225
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 2: all of our spiders are these little loser, tiny spiders

1226
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 2: that we don't have to worry about.

1227
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 3: Oh they're not now once you get past the first

1228
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,919
Speaker 3: first part of the season, they're not issue at all.

1229
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 2: What do you worry about down there that could actually

1230
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: besides the snakes, that could actually mess you up a

1231
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: little bit.

1232
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: Other hunters?

1233
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's really we have coyoties, but you know,

1234
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: I mean, but like what could bite you? Like you

1235
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 2: got any scorpions or fire ants or any of that stuff.

1236
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 3: No, I know Alabama has some scorpions, yeah, fire ants,

1237
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 3: but I'm not you know, unless you're hunting a field

1238
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 3: edge or something, you know, or you walk through one

1239
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 3: or you're standing in want. No, not really nothing really

1240
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 3: else to be worried about. Well, we have sorry, we

1241
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 3: have black bears, but they're really uncommon to see.

1242
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: You can't hunt them, can you?

1243
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 3: No? No?

1244
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 2: And you so you said that, you know you you

1245
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 2: like to still hunt down there. You got a lot

1246
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 2: of land to roam, and you're kind of hunting cover

1247
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,959
Speaker 2: that's somewhat conducive to that to moving around and find

1248
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: a fresh sign and slowing down. Do you do any

1249
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 2: I mean, are you setting any stands? Are you doing

1250
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: any saddle hunting any of that stuff?

1251
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I've got saddle and so I mean I

1252
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 3: do I think equally amount of both. It just depends

1253
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,959
Speaker 3: on the day. Like, man, if we get a rain

1254
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 3: that passes through that morning, like I'd rather be moving

1255
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 3: rather be still hunting, especially if I'm on a you know,

1256
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: if I'm going to check out somewhere that's new, you know,

1257
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 3: it doesn't really behoove me to just go pick a

1258
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 3: spot and sit. So I love still hunting for that reason,

1259
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 3: but I'd say i'd split the time. It just depends

1260
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 3: on on the on the weather, on the conditions and

1261
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 3: stuff like that.

1262
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 2: Do you find that that's you know, still hunting, A

1263
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 2: you're actively hunting, but B you're also actively scouting while

1264
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 2: you're actively hunting, and so does your season kind of

1265
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 2: break down to you know, if you find that you know,

1266
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: just banging you know, white acorn drop or something like that,

1267
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: and you're like, I have to be here now and

1268
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: post up for a while, and that situation dies or

1269
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: you blow it out and you're like, all right, it's

1270
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: time to go back to still hunt and just figure

1271
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: out where they are. Is that kind of how you operate?

1272
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one. I think it just like helps

1273
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 3: you from getting burned out. You know, early season, when

1274
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 3: deer pretty much on a especially October or November, you know,

1275
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 3: you know they're hitting those white oaks. They're pretty patternable

1276
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 3: at that stage. I really love to do a lot

1277
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 3: of still hunting during the rut. Like I know, a

1278
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 3: lot of people will say, Okay, you just need to

1279
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 3: sit over this funnel. Eventually it's gonna happen. It's like, okay, well,

1280
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 3: if you have limited time, you know, and you're sitting

1281
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 3: in this point, you're pushing on your chips in on

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01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 3: one or two places, It's like, okay, well what if

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 3: the action's not there? You know. And I think a

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01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 3: lot of people, you know, especially here right when you're trying,

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01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 3: you're thinking about a lot of bedding cover, but also

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01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, food too as far as

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 3: like you know, white oaks go whatever. You know, a

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01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 3: lot of people are like, okay, well I got a

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01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 3: trail pick here, or I'm just gonna set up here.

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01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 3: This looks like a place where you know a buck

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01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 3: would travel through. Well, I don't know, I just don't

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01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:53,679
Speaker 3: want to. I feel more productive if i'm I'm going

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01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 3: where where the action is, you know. And so if

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 3: you can still hunt your way through you know one

1295
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 3: of those edges, you know where you know deer moving through.

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,759
Speaker 3: I did that last year. I was still hunting and

1297
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 3: didn't get a shot, but I heard something and I

1298
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 3: looked and there these doughs running towards me. And this

1299
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 3: was like one of the days I wanted to be

1300
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 3: in the woods for the rut, so I posted up

1301
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 3: and I could see antlers run it through the woods,

1302
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 3: and anyway, he ended up pushing those doughs literally like

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01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 3: ten yards. They busted me. He didn't really know what

1304
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 3: was going on and and ran off. But it's like,

1305
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't have known at that point, like, oh,

1306
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 3: this is where the action is ended up, you know,

1307
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 3: seeing a lot of action. Uh there a couple of

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01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 3: days later, but I wouldn't have known that if I

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01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 3: hadn't been still hunting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's this is so cliched, but it

1311
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 2: is a lost art, you know. I mean, when when

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 2: I was growing up and I first started deer hunting,

1313
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: I still hunted a lot. I mean, it was just

1314
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 2: it was more fun to me than sitting in a

1315
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: tree stand. And it's you know, part of it. If

1316
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 2: you don't have the land to room, it doesn't do

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01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 2: any good, you know. So if you're if you're hunting

1318
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 2: thirty acres, like you're gonna post up like you just are.

1319
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 2: But if you have the land of room, man, you

1320
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 2: get an educator. I mean, not only is it just fun,

1321
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 2: because it's just not it's just not sitting and waiting,

1322
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 2: you know, but you also get an education on how

1323
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 2: to read terrain and like where to stop and when

1324
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: to move and man, your spidy senses get real sharp

1325
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 2: when you do that, like you start to figure out

1326
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: like and I think you kind of plug into a

1327
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 2: rhythm and nature that you're It's not so passive as

1328
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: just like you know, when's out of the west, I

1329
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: sit in this tree, like you're out there and now

1330
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 2: you gotta gotta peek down into this thing and like, oh,

1331
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of sun blazing through here, so I'm

1332
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 2: gonna work around it. And it's it's a kind of

1333
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 2: an immersive different experience and it can be so much fun.

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01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, and I mean, I mean I think that,

1335
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 3: like I said, it it stops you from getting burned out.

1336
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 3: You actually see where the hot sign is, You see

1337
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 3: what where the movement is, where it's going on. It

1338
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 3: also just spells all those myths, like you know, if

1339
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 3: you go somewhere and sit you don't see deer where, well,

1340
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, well that's not happening. Maybe it's not

1341
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 3: going on right now. Maybe the deer aren't here. It's like, well,

1342
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 3: if you'd been still hunting, you know, and you would walk,

1343
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 3: you know, three hundred more yards, it's like, oh, there's

1344
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 3: where the action's happening. So, you know, I think a

1345
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 3: lot of times too, you know, people will say, oh,

1346
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 3: they're locked down right now, like I promise there's some

1347
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 3: deer moving somewhere, but they got to move.

1348
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Those those blanket statements drive me crazy too, like

1349
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,520
Speaker 2: the lull or the lockdown, or like oh they're all nocturnal,

1350
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 2: like all of them are.

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01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a lot. That's why a lot of

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01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: people you know I talk to who live here, their

1353
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 3: whole lives probably only how to maybe they've hunted. Public

1354
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 3: plan maybe they haven't, but it always gets trash. I'm like,

1355
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 3: we can trash it if you want. But I see

1356
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 3: plenty of deer moving, plenty of daylight on public land

1357
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 3: and they're there.

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01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 2: Yep. What are the antler board restrictions? What's the restriction

1359
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 2: down there?

1360
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 3: So? I think it's four on one side with in

1361
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 3: some places it's a ten inch inside spread, some places

1362
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 3: it's fifteen.

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01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 2: Just depends where you're at.

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01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think the delta, obviously they have a

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01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 3: little bit. I think it as of a I can't

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01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 3: remember the main inch main beam mean, but yeah, so

1367
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 3: I mean kind of Mississippi. You can you know you're

1368
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 3: gonna get a shot if you're gonna shoot a buck

1369
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 3: like it's going to be, you know, a decent book.

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01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out what the smallest deer

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01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 2: I could shoot if I came down there would be. Yeah, uh,

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01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 2: I can handle that.

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01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe maybe maybe it's twelve inch main beam, ten

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01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 3: inch inside spread.

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01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. Adam, we're out of time, man,

1376
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 2: you're out there writing for a bunch of places. You're

1377
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,599
Speaker 2: gonna have some stuff coming up here for Meat Eater

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01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 2: and outdoor Life and who else.

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Speaker 3: Do you some Brian M Gear Junkie, I've got a

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01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 3: piece come out Game and Fish mag think later this fall.

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01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: It's awesome, awesome, I appreciate it, buddy. This has been

1382
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.

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01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 3: Man hey YouTube, Thanks Tony.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this week, folks, be sure to tune

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Speaker 2: in next week for more whitetail goodness. This has been

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Speaker 2: the Wire to Hunt podcast and I'm your guest host,

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01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. As always, thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: And if you're looking for some more white tail content,

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1390
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 2: and you'll see episodes of the buck Truck that those

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01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,400
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Speaker 2: good information there, So head on over there if you

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Speaker 2: want more whitetail content.