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Speaker 1: You were tuned to live coverage up to twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: twee NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. Good afternoon, everyone,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Indiana Convention Center, site of the

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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine twenty twenty three. Jerry Dulak of the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Post Gazette and the Steeler Radio Network with you

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Speaker 1: for the next two hours and joined by my friend

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Speaker 1: Dale Lawley of Steelers dot Com and of course your

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Speaker 1: host here on Steeler Nation Radio SNR. Max Stark's the

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Speaker 1: sideline reporter for the Steelers. Former offensive tackle joins us

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Speaker 1: for these two hours as well. And Dale, I've lost

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Speaker 1: count how many I've been at. It's not that it's many, many, many,

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Speaker 1: but I think it's been every year since year two

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how many it is for you,

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Speaker 1: but you and I have been doing this radio. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, we're getting up there. Yes we are,

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Speaker 1: Yes we are, and uh A lot has changed from

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Speaker 1: the Steeler standpoint. Uh no more. Kevin Colbert as GM

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Speaker 1: Omar Kahn, as everyone knows, is the GM. He was

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Speaker 1: first time as Steelers GM. Of course, he has been

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Speaker 1: to the combine many many times as mainly as their

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Speaker 1: armed with a new um array of assistance and personnel people,

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Speaker 1: and much has changed internally with the organization hoping to change, uh,

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Speaker 1: the what happened last year this past season with missing

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Speaker 1: to do win a few more games. Yeah, swore more points,

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Speaker 1: win some games. You know, all that stuff goes hand

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Speaker 1: in hand. Uh. But I thought overall he was pretty

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Speaker 1: if you look at it, you won seven of your

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Speaker 1: your final nine games last year. You were breaking in

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Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback. You know, you went seven and five

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Speaker 1: as the season went. So, you know, I think anytime

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Speaker 1: Max can can tell you, it doesn't always go smoothly

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Speaker 1: like it did for you guys in two thousand and four. No,

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Speaker 1: And you know, Kenney didn't have that same kind of

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Speaker 1: they think. Uh Omar was asked earlier today about you know,

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Speaker 1: Omar One of the things that I was very intrigued by.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Indiana Convention Center, Jerry du lac

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Speaker 1: Dale Lawley, and Max Stark. Steeler fans all this week

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Speaker 1: you can compete in the special NFL Scouting Combine edition

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Speaker 1: of Yin's Chat, the Steeler's official mobile pick'em game, download

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Speaker 1: of Steeler's official mobile mobile app now and answer questions

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Speaker 1: old line drills, some of the d line drills, like

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Speaker 1: you can nuance those things, do I think? I think

428
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: the bench press is probably one of the worst things here,

429
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,719
Speaker 1: just because football is not played from a horizontal position

430
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,440
Speaker 1: on your back, you know. I feel like if you're

431
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: gonna use it, some type of incline press, some type

432
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 1: of squatting, because that's the strength that you need in

433
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: those positions. So I think some things can be changed,

434
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 1: and I think can be accentuated and changed. But the

435
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: medical I think, I absolutely agree this is the place

436
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: and they've been doing it for so long. It's a

437
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,959
Speaker 1: system when you go into the Indiana Health system, like

438
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: you say, hey, follow the purple forward plant. Yeah, follow

439
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 1: the purple line. Hey, I got my A, you have

440
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: your files. Follow the purple line. Then get on the

441
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: orange line. Get on the orange line. They don't have

442
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: that everywhere, So I think if you're trying to regionalize

443
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: that aspect of it, that's where it fails miserably. But

444
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 1: the medical eval is still the crucial cornerstone of this

445
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: and that's what guys are here for. And it's the

446
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: stress test, right, It's the uncertainty as being put on

447
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: the spot. Everybody can interview here, everybody gets the equal

448
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: amount of time, and I think that's the most important part.

449
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: But the field stuff we could we could regional line.

450
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Speaker 1: I agree with regionalizing that part of it, But the

451
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: medical is most important here. Yeah. The funny thing too

452
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: about the combine two max is it can it can

453
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: harm the better players, but it can really help the

454
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: lesser known guys. And so that's the delicate balance that

455
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 1: you're trying to find. Yeah, and it's also something that's

456
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: don't work well under pressure. Yeah, you know, some guys

457
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: will fumble through an interview, right, I mean we hear

458
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: that that's something you might want to know. Yeah, you

459
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: want going to have pressure in your NFL career exactly.

460
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: And yet they're prepped for those interviews too. You're prepped,

461
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 1: and guys still fail out. I mean, I trust me.

462
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: I have to go through this process every year, getting

463
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Speaker 1: our guys ready for the interview process. And the one

464
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: thing I try and tell them listen, guys first and

465
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: foremost honesty and transparency. I was like, every question you're

466
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: being asked, they already have the answer. They just want

467
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 1: to hear you say, yeah exactly, already know you were

468
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: out last night and what you did. Say, Hey, how

469
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: is your report card? I already have the report card,

470
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: said to me, but I want to hear you tell

471
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: me what's all your report card? And so that that's

472
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: one of the biggest And then it's the confidence also

473
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: because you think about some of these media marks. Are

474
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: you going to New York, Chicago media markets, the LA

475
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: media market. Now, like you have to be able to

476
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: stand in front of, you know, a pit of vipers.

477
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: So sitting in a room with the team personnel and

478
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: answering questions should not harm you. But if you are

479
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: that type of guy, that's something you want to know

480
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: before you make that mosch. I would think too, for

481
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: a guy who has had a misstep in his past, Yeah,

482
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: this gives you an opportunity to they maybe not explain

483
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: it away, but at least alleviate those concerns. Yeah you know,

484
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: you do. You have an operative, Yeah, you know, an

485
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: opportunity to change the narrative a little bit. Yeah, I

486
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: screwed up, but since then, I've done this, this and this. Yes,

487
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: gives you a chance to account for yourself. It's the

488
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: accountability aspect that this brings into play. And yes, it's

489
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: under suboptimal conditions, but guess what, the season is going

490
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: to be suboptimal for a majority of it. Like you're

491
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: not going to feel the same way week one opening

492
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: day that you are a week fourteen and too, you

493
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: know a two and two and twelve season, you know

494
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So so you have to be able

495
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: to see how these guys respond under those stressors because

496
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: you're also counting on these guys, especially if you think

497
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: about day one guys, you're leaders of men and as

498
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: grown men, and can you as a twenty two year

499
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: old for most intends of purpose. Obviously, Ken, he's a

500
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: little older. But can you come in as a twenty

501
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: two year old and fit in with a twenty eight

502
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: thirty thirty two year old cam thirty five? Right? Can

503
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: you fit in with these guys? And can you become

504
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: a leader amongst men? And to me, that's one of

505
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: the things when you're looking at the drills, the drill worker,

506
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: who's who's kind of taking the lead in this stuff?

507
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: Who's who's the alpha dog in that pack? Yeah? Who who?

508
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: Because you get a bunch of dogs out there, yeah,

509
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: And who's the alpha of the outfit right right? Trying

510
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: to find the pinnacle guy and those guys that set

511
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: the pace for the rest of the crew, because here

512
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: you're getting the top three hundred right right, Whereas if

513
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: we do regionalize it, right, it's gonna be multiples. You

514
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 1: get the small school guys now coming into it, so

515
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: you kind of water down that part of the process.

516
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: But here it's no, you're the creme de la creme,

517
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 1: And who's gonna who's gonna show that they're they're the guy?

518
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: That's some guys, you know, some guys are gonna go

519
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: out there and compete. I mean every you're all competing. Yeah,

520
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: you know. So Okay, I see that guy make that throw,

521
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna beat death row. Or that guy

522
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: makes that catch, I'm gonna I'm gonna top that catch.

523
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: You know, whatever it may be. I'm sure for the

524
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. You guys are watching the who did the

525
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: bench press? I gotta beat that, you know. Yeah. And

526
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: also even on some of the side to side drills. Okay,

527
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: he slipped there, I'm not I can slip them when

528
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: I when I go through my side to side drill.

529
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: You know, Oh he hit the bag that, I'm gonna

530
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: hit it harder. Yeah, And it just it continues to

531
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: compound upon itself. And I think that's what the other

532
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: thing is that, you know, you get that hidden gym

533
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: because there's a guy like a like a Coltner who

534
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: comes out there and wants to be a leader. Or

535
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: the kid what was the kid from Whitewater Um, the

536
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: one that had like the crazy like workout videos during

537
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: Oh he's now with the Broncos. Yeah, you know Quinn

538
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: Miners Quinn. Yeah, I mean, you know that's where you

539
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: find those guys out and and then how they answer

540
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: on the other side of this curtain, I'm pointing, but

541
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: we're on radio, that is where you I do that

542
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: all the time. I start explaining with my hands, the

543
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: broadcast interview side of it. How do you handle yourself

544
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: or if you're on NFL network, if you're on PFT Live,

545
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: or you're in front of a podium, there's fifty microphones

546
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: in your face. If you came from a smaller school

547
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: that does ever had to do it, never had to

548
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: do this type of thing, how do you respond under

549
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: that pressure? Do you stumble or do you just continually

550
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: be calm and keep your presence. All of that is

551
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: that pressure cooker that is the combine this week, Max.

552
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: Do you think that they'll ever regionalize it? And I

553
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: say that because it just it makes more work if

554
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: you will travel everything else for the teams, and the

555
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: teams if they're going to have it, they like, that's

556
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: all in one place at one time, and that's it. Yeah,

557
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: I mean listen, I mean you know how hard it is.

558
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: Imagine imagine trying to herd you know over what five

559
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: hundred cats essentially is probably what you're trying to do

560
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: into one place. If we know the litter boxes here.

561
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: You got to come here at some point, right, you know,

562
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: saying everybody's gonna come come here. But if you regionalize

563
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: it now, you don't get all thirty two gms like

564
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: you're getting it now. Granted this year we're not getting

565
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: all thirty two head coaches because which is crazy. I

566
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: don't know why, charm they wouldn't come out here. But

567
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: but did that last year, didn't he? Yeah? Right? Yeah,

568
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: so but this is the most the highest concentration you

569
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: can get because it's the same date every year, it's

570
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: the same location. You can plan accordingly, and if you

571
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: regionalize it now, you know, because here's here's the thing

572
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: about the NFL, right, it's always about profit margin. How

573
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: can we make this bigger better? How can we get

574
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: more AD dollars and to and televise this. If you

575
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: do that, you don't get everybody. Right, you might get

576
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: a sixteen head coaches that go to the Southern region

577
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: and it's usually probably most of the guys in that

578
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: region and that division. Then you get a couple of

579
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: guys who's going to the Pacific Northwest. If you're not Seattle, right,

580
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have to move into somewhere else,

581
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: and then it's like, well, if I went to the

582
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: western region, why do I need to go to this

583
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: Midwest one m guys are you're gonna see a lot

584
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: of teams start to separate. I think it waters down

585
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: what the intent is in the concentration level. So I

586
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: see it possibly happening, but I don't like the fact

587
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: that it will happen because I think you don't get

588
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: the same quality here. Yeah, you don't get the same bang,

589
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: there's no question. And I don't know that the owners

590
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: would go along with it. Um. It's um. And you

591
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: know this used to be the case not that long ago.

592
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: And I don't want to speak for him, but to

593
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Combine is the NFL network's highest rated programming all year

594
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: because they're all right here, and you know, with Fantasy

595
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: Football and everything else, it just grows. And because people

596
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: watch these drills, they want to know. They think they're

597
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: kind of quasi de facto gms and or coaches. Yeah,

598
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: but that's people watch. It's it's astonishing to me, but

599
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: they watch, and I think watering that down to a

600
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: degree takes away from that. That's why I don't think

601
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: it will happen. Well, and or the owners will want

602
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: it to happen. Yeah, the owners wouldn't want it to happen.

603
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: But where else don you have thirty two gms in

604
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: one place that are guaranteed to speak? Yeah, you know,

605
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: like it was funny and walking over here this morning,

606
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm walking next to George Payton the Brock Coast GM.

607
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: Right if if I'm doing if I'm down in the

608
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: Southern region doing this, do you think George Payton's probably

609
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: gonna be down there? And for Omar Omar is he

610
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna make all four regional things his schedule. He's got

611
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: to worry about free agency. And now you're talking pimeline.

612
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: It's just it doesn't make sense. And the owners definitely,

613
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't, I know, don't want that because hey, listen,

614
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: especially for the Steelers fly over here, and who else

615
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: is gonna have a better steakhouse to Saint almost you

616
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Nobody, nobody, And that's really what it's.

617
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Try and get a reservation in there this week exact

618
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: now it's walking only at the bar. I learned my

619
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: lesson last year. No, No, I did get one, and

620
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: I get one every year. It just I usually try

621
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Speaker 1: and get it on Monday before they all get here. Yeah. Um,

622
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: but I've left that open though the last couple of

623
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: years because you know, the Steelers usually have a little

624
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: get together. So yeah, um uh. The best I had

625
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: this year was Harry at Izzy's, which is where we're

626
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: going tonight. But getting into Saint Almos. Still got to

627
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: get the cock I mean, the cocktail is the same.

628
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: So that's right, that's all. That's always all good. We're

629
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Speaker 1: here for out. Yeah, we're gonna take a break. We're

630
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Speaker 1: gonna come back with more of our coverage from the

631
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine all week long. Hey, you can listen

632
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: to live coverage from the Combine on Steelers Nation Radio.

633
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: We'll be live on Radio Row from nine am to

634
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: four pm all week. If you can't catch us live,

635
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,120
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636
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: including programs in their entirety and interview carve outs on

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Speaker 1: That's all week long. SNR that the NFL Scouting Combine

639
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Speaker 1: will be back after this. You were tuned to live

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Speaker 1: coverage of the twenty twenty three NFL Combine on Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio. Hey, Steeler fans. The Steeler media platforms are

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645
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646
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Speaker 1: highlights on current Steelers for you to check out. That's

648
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Speaker 1: all this week on the Steelers media platforms. You know

649
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Speaker 1: when Omar Khan who joined us earlier in this segment, uh,

650
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Speaker 1: you know, he walks in to this his first combine

651
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Speaker 1: in this role, you know, with in pretty good shape, yes, Dale, Yes,

652
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: three draft picks in the top forty nine, one, thirty

653
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Speaker 1: two and forty nine basically two number one picks, and

654
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Speaker 1: he has what he calls comfortable salary cap space. So

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Speaker 1: he's walking in armed with a you know, pretty good

656
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: array right now. Yeah, I know, you know when when

657
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: the cap got set and everybody went scrambled and looked

658
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: at you know the places where they have this spot

659
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Speaker 1: track or you know over the cap in places like yeah,

660
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: they look at how are the Steelers they have zero

661
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: cap space? Well, there's easy ways for him to create

662
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: cap space. Um, you know, if you release William Jackson,

663
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: it's twelve million dollars. Yeah, you know, if you do

664
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: simple restructure on guys like Banker or TJ or things

665
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: like that, you can I've I've done the number, run

666
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: the number on it. I could get to forty nine

667
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space pretty quickly and painlessly. You know,

668
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: it's not that hard to do. And so this isn't

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Speaker 1: a situation such as say two thousand twelve when they

670
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: had to release James Harrison to get under the cap

671
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: and things of that nature, when when the cap stayed

672
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: set stagnant, and the beauty of it this year, I know,

673
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, Omar was asked about, you know, the restructures,

674
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: how it kicks some money down the road. I think

675
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Speaker 1: two years from now, you're you're talking about a salary

676
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: cap it's gonna be over two hundred and fifty million

677
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: dollars with the gambling money that's coming into the league

678
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: and things of that nature, and how the league is

679
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: is maximizing some of these potentials, some of the new

680
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: TV deals that are kicking in, Like it's it's going

681
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: to just continue to go up and up and up.

682
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Speaker 1: You're not going to be a situation like you had

683
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Speaker 1: from two thousand and eleven to two thousand and twelve

684
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Speaker 1: where it just it stayed flat or what you saw

685
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Speaker 1: during COVID where it actually went down a little bit

686
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: in those years. And that's where you run into teams

687
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: run into salary cap problems. Yeah, and those bumpers um

688
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: Or put in place, and eleven twelve coming off of

689
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: the lockout, trust me, that a part of and that

690
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: was that was a rough pill to swallow. Um. But

691
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: you're right, it's grown so exponentially and with the blow

692
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: up of draft Kings and everybody else in daily wages.

693
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: He hell, we got we got an arena that's the

694
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Speaker 1: sponsored by you know, a gambling site. So you know,

695
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: you look at it. The NFL's come so far in

696
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: that I think that ability to create revenue structure now

697
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: gives teams that can that gets kicked down. The road

698
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: gets smaller and smaller because you know, it's shooting up

699
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: and the new television deals are gonna kick in are

700
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: gonna be astronomical um for these clubs. So they're like, okay,

701
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: we can go do this. But you're right, it's a

702
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: good problem to have when you come in at zero, right,

703
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: because everything else, it's not like a lot of teams

704
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: that were thirty forty million dollars over to the cap.

705
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: The Saints, right, yeah, you know, they're like fifty million

706
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: over the cap. You're like, how are we going to

707
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: get there? No no quarterbacks on no quarterbacks on their roster,

708
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: and then you look at our quarterback room. Right, this

709
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: is friendly, a rookie deal in a very friendly and

710
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: a manageable mitchter Bisy. Let's just say what people talk about, Well,

711
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: they have to release Mitch Trubisky. They don't have to

712
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: release Mitchell. No, they don't have to know the quarterback

713
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Speaker 1: room is still gonna be less than fifteen million dollars

714
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: no matter what. Oh easily easily yeah yeah, So, I

715
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: mean that's a bargain. In today's NFL. You got guys

716
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: making you know, up at Cleveland, he's making fifty plus

717
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed. And look what Lamar Jackson wants by himself.

718
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: He's gonna take forty percent of the cap if the

719
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: Ravens keep him, and then what's Joe Burrow gonna cost? Right,

720
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, so they're gonna get him done. This yew

721
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: in this small, take full advantage. That means you can

722
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Speaker 1: now bolster everything around Kenny Pickt in that process. And

723
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Speaker 1: that's where you know, I like the questions you ask,

724
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: how aggressive we're gonna be in free agency right to

725
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: continue to bring in veterans to help bolster and help

726
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: his process. You have the ability here next year to

727
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: do whatever you want, do whatever you want and really

728
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: get get set him up for success moving forward. Max.

729
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: When we talked to Omar Khan earlier, not on the radio,

730
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Speaker 1: but when he met with members of the Pittsburgh Medium,

731
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Speaker 1: He's said he would like Mitch Trubisky, he'd love to

732
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Speaker 1: have him back. He said he'd actually like to have

733
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Speaker 1: him here for a long time. Mitch Drubisky's under contract

734
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Speaker 1: just one more year. He will cost them eight million

735
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: in salary ten point six against the cap. His eight

736
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: million in salary will make him, as of right now,

737
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: the highest paid backup in the NFL. But you look

738
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Speaker 1: at what Kenny Pickett's going to cost three and a

739
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: half million. Now you get rid of Mason Rudolph's four

740
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: million dollars, they bring in someone else for a third guy,

741
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: he'll probably be two million tops. So the quarterback room

742
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: is very friendly. It's just a question do they want

743
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: to pay Mitch Trubisky eight million dollars is the highest

744
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: paid backup. I think they will, and because of what

745
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: they saw, not only the way he handled everything, because

746
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't really happy the way it was handled earlier,

747
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: but when he came off the bench, it was the

748
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: best quarterback play they pad all year. Okay, I know

749
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: the three interceptions against Baltimore, I get it, but up

750
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: and down the field, the whole game, the whole game,

751
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: and then of course, um Tampa Bay and what was

752
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: that in Carolina? Right, lights out, lightside? I mean watching

753
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: that game. I was excited watching that game. I was like, oh,

754
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: this ball never hit the ground. Yeah. I was like,

755
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: this is this is the guy that was supposed to

756
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Speaker 1: be here week two. You know, in week one, but

757
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: you saw almost like you saw a weightlifted off of

758
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: mister Biscuits coming off the bench. And I think when

759
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: you see that and he's under thirty, that's the other thing.

760
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: You have a guy who can be with Kenny for

761
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: a long time and then grow together. Think Ben Roethlisberger

762
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: Charlie Batch, right, you think about having a duo together.

763
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: That feels comfortable. You trust somebody coming to the sideline

764
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Speaker 1: as a quarterback because remember your OCSPP up top of

765
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: the crow's nest, Matt Canada. So having eyes on the

766
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Speaker 1: ground that can communicate with you right there on the

767
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: bench is huge. And over seventy quarterbacks played this year, Yeah,

768
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Speaker 1: she started at some point sixty eight I think it

769
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: was sixty eight starters over the course of the Yeah. So,

770
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: and do we want to be in a San Francisco situation?

771
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: Nobody wants. So I think having him and having that

772
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: he showed that good will that hey, I can go

773
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: pay eight million for you because you've earned that good

774
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: will and we know that we're in a game. If

775
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: you're in the game, we're not worried about, oh my god,

776
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: are we're gonna lose this because this guy has to

777
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: take a snap. You know, you have confidence and he's

778
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: a guy who's actually started and has has a winning

779
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: record as as a starter. Still, you know, even though

780
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: it's razor thing, but that's what you want. You want

781
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: that comfortability, So agree with It's not a luxury to

782
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: have a solid starting backup quarterback in today's NFL, especially

783
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: with as you heard Roger Goodell talk about it at

784
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, how the league is now looking at

785
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: the concussion protocol where if a guy takes a hit,

786
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: he ain't coming back, and it doesn't matter what position

787
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: it is and what your situation is on the for

788
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: the team. If your quarterback takes a hit and he

789
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: bangs his head, he's coming out of the game. And

790
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: even if he doesn't have concussion symptoms, he could still

791
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: be told you're not playing to a Tonga Voloa man. Well,

792
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: we saw already go down with that problem. You know,

793
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: the Steelers have always embraced the idea more so than

794
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: most of the NFL, of having three quality quarterbacks. I mean,

795
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: look back Charlie Batchen and Byron Left buttch I mean

796
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: that was always the case for the most part. So

797
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: they're not ye yes, and they're not going to have

798
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: that with Mason Rudolph gone. Now, Omar said earlier when

799
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: he met with Pittsburgh media, he has not closed the

800
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: door on bringing back Mason Rudolph. I don't think that's

801
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Mason doesn't have any interest in coming back

802
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: and being the number three guy. Um. The other thing

803
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: with Mitch two, you talk about the sixty eight quarterbacks

804
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: who played what percentage? What number? Those quarterbacks aren't very good,

805
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: aren't good at all. And I know Mitch believes, and

806
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: I think the Steelers know that Mitch Drubisky could probably

807
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: go to three or four teams with the right coordinator

808
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: and be an effective starting quarterback. Based on what you saw.

809
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: That's why I think he has only at best one

810
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: more year here. But you never know. You never know.

811
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: And just think about this. If we're ranking all sixty

812
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: eight of those quarterbacks, right, and people do that and

813
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: people them, where do you think Mitch falls. I would

814
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: put Minch in the top. I would say top forty.

815
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Speaker 1: I think that, yeah, easily. NFL dot Com did that.

816
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: They ranked every one of the guys you started it

817
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: started a game this year, just the guys who started.

818
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Speaker 1: I think Mitch was in the thirties. That's where I

819
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: would put him. I would put them closer to thirty

820
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Speaker 1: than forty. Yeah, because I look at some of those

821
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Speaker 1: other starters, Marcus Mariodin some of them. I mean, he

822
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: is a better quarterback. Now, I was gonna say thirty five.

823
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: I give him thirty five. So that's why I said

824
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Speaker 1: top forty, making it nice and so it's like being

825
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: a golfer. I mean, you could be the top thirty

826
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Speaker 1: five golfer in the world. Does mean you're not going

827
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: to win on Sundays. No, that's right, that's right. But

828
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Speaker 1: that's a great reality. That's a great look. Could be

829
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: a top hundred golfer in the world and be really

830
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you're one of the top guys, one hundred

831
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: guys in the world. It's you, it's your profession. But

832
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: you don't make the cut every week yea. Or just

833
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: go to the live and just take a lot of money.

834
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Speaker 1: That's money play three days instead of four. Yeah, guaranteed

835
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: money contracts um. So it's you know, so we know

836
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: what the quarterback room. If they bring back Mitch dr Biscuit,

837
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: which I mean that's what their intention is. I don't

838
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: see that not happening because of their salary cap space. Dale.

839
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: When you look at the you know where they are offensively,

840
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: there's a lot of young talent on offense. But the

841
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: question is going to be do they would you, I

842
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: don't want to say, rebuild, restock, or would you go

843
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: find a stud on the offensive line? Would you go

844
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: find Max? Excuse me, Marquis pons, Max Starks, would you

845
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: go find David de Castro? To me, that's what Cam's

846
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: getting old. But that's what each line the scrimmage needs

847
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: a new stud. Yeah, they need a new stud. I

848
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: think the stud this year needs to be defensive line,

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Speaker 1: just because of age. And you're still with you there

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Speaker 1: and you're still chasing stuff onto it. This is you are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, And remember year thirty. You know people people

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Speaker 1: want to talk about all they let go at Jason Hargrave. Look,

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Speaker 1: you can't keep everybody. They had to it. They gave

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Speaker 1: him a nice deal and you had Cam. You can't

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Speaker 1: keep thirteen million dollars a year. Yeah, they weren't going

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Speaker 1: to have fifty million dollars tied up in your three

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Speaker 1: your three defensive behind three four defense, a three four

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Speaker 1: defense that you know you're gonna have to rotate one

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Speaker 1: of them out on third down, you know what saying.

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Speaker 1: So you're not gonna sit it on the bench. But

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Speaker 1: I think you do need to go find that guy

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Speaker 1: um for it. And then and then I think you

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Speaker 1: can still find a stud offensive interior guy. You're not

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Speaker 1: gonna find Marquis Spouncy this year, but I think if

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Speaker 1: you can go find a guy like I'll say this

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Speaker 1: a better version of Ramon Foster. Yeah, a guy who

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Speaker 1: can be a lynchpin and can start on either side

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Speaker 1: of the center for years to come, for a decade plus.

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Speaker 1: Find a guy like a John Michael Schmitz who could

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Speaker 1: play different spots. I think he'll be gone before well yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you go kid from Wisconsin or you know, yeah, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent. The kid from Wisconsin. I

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Speaker 1: really like him. I think he'll be round day two.

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Speaker 1: But that that I digress. But you could play a

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Speaker 1: guy like that Tipman garter center and again that's what

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Speaker 1: Romani Dawson did his first year. Yeah you know, he

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Speaker 1: played garden then moved to center absolutely um less than

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Speaker 1: two minutes. If you had to draft on the first

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Speaker 1: pick on the offensive line, not the player position position

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Speaker 1: you want to tell me a player, fine, but where

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Speaker 1: we YEA, Well, I was John Michael Smith would be

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Speaker 1: the guy ever one. I mean that that that that's

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Speaker 1: the guy that's going to be a center, senting center

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Speaker 1: starting for the next twelve fifteen years. Like he's that,

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Speaker 1: he's that, he's that good. He's Creed Humphrey, who I

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Speaker 1: really liked a couple of years ago that people just

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Speaker 1: scoffed at, and I'm like, no, Creed is the guy,

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Speaker 1: and look at him now. I mean he started, he

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Speaker 1: started for Patrick Mahomes left hand in my butt, he

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Speaker 1: switched the right hand and as a pro bowler, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that stuff a little overrated, just left hand. Well, because

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Speaker 1: most quarterbacks are are in shotgun. It doesn't like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: the spiral comes in a reverse catch. It still gotta

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Speaker 1: catch the ball and still coming at you with a spiral.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's that's a