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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Thursday edition of Clay and Bucks starts now,

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Speaker 1: big news day, a lot going on, and honored as

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Speaker 1: always to be with all of you as we make

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Speaker 1: sense of it, or make sense of it to the

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Speaker 1: degree that that's possible given some of the things going

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Speaker 1: on in the world these days. First up, as you

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Speaker 1: may have seen, Donald Trump going to the border, Biden

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Speaker 1: going to the border, and some big changes in the

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Speaker 1: way Democrats talk about the situation of the US Mexico border.

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Speaker 1: So we will be joined later on the program third

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Speaker 1: hour by our friends and podcast colleague Carol Markowitz, who

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Speaker 1: was just down there. Clay and I are going to

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Speaker 1: get down there too, but now everyone's going down, so

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Speaker 1: we've got to have our friends who have already been

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Speaker 1: to the border on the air here and then we'll

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Speaker 1: go down, but she'll tell us what she saw firsthand.

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Speaker 1: And then Julie Kelly's second hour on the legal situation

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Speaker 1: for Trump, which there's big news on as well. So

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Speaker 1: the two headlines today, you've got Trump and Biden at

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Speaker 1: the border, and you've got a major move by the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I think we'll dive into this one now, Clay.

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Speaker 1: Whenever I get a text from Clay after hours about

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Speaker 1: a story, I'm like, all right, so I know we're

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Speaker 1: talking about this tomorrow. At the top, he's fired up

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Speaker 1: about this one. The Supreme Court has taken up the

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Speaker 1: immunity claim. And this is where, just by way of review,

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Speaker 1: you have the District Court by with Chutkin, has dismissed

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Speaker 1: the immmunity claim, went to the appeals court. The appeals

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Speaker 1: court was kicking it back down to the district court.

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Speaker 1: Jack Smith wanted to go around the possibility of a

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Speaker 1: Trump appeal to the appeals court and went right to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. And now the Supreme Court has said right,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm getting this right so far, now the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court has said, yes, Jacksmith, you can jump over

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Speaker 1: the appeals court knowing that you will win in the

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Speaker 1: DC appeals Court on the issue of presidential immunity. Now

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Speaker 1: they're saying that the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments

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Speaker 1: the third week of April on this yes, April twenty second,

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Speaker 1: so they'll hear about the Trump immunity claim. What this means, though,

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Speaker 1: is that the Appeals Court said, if you don't take

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Speaker 1: it to the Supreme Court. Chuckkin gets to run the

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Speaker 1: clock again and start the trial and set a new

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Speaker 1: trial date for the District court. Supreme Court now says,

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Speaker 1: not so fast. Everything comes to a halt on Trump

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Speaker 1: J six immunity and about the j sixth case and

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Speaker 1: April the Supreme Court will hear it, which means Clay

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Speaker 1: Court will probably decide in June at some point, right roughly,

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Speaker 1: probably June, which means that the fastest Well, now I'll

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Speaker 1: hand over the baton here. I think we've laid the groundwork.

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Speaker 1: It's now in the Supreme Court's hands. Chuckkin can't do

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Speaker 1: anything in DC. Appeals Court can't do anything in DC.

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Speaker 1: Everything turns on with the Supreme Court, how fast it

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Speaker 1: moves on and whether it agrees that Trump cannot be

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Speaker 1: prosecuted for official acts in office. I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: That is super complicated, and it's why I think the

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Speaker 2: average person out there just kind of hears these legal

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Speaker 2: proceedings and conceives of it as sort of a dull roar.

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Speaker 2: That's goal is to get Donald Trump. I don't think

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Speaker 2: buck the average person can distinguish between a civil trial

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Speaker 2: with Egene Carroll a business related investigation with Leticia James,

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Speaker 2: both of which are in New York City. Alvin Bragg's

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Speaker 2: misdemeanor that he's raising to the elevation of a felony

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Speaker 2: that is right now scheduled to start in March over

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Speaker 2: business keeping issues relating to how Stormy Daniels ended up

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Speaker 2: being compensated in effectively a hush money case back all

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Speaker 2: the way in twenty sixteen. All of that in New

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Speaker 2: York City is chaos. And I have long thought that

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Speaker 2: really what Democrats wanted was Jack Smith versus Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: in Washington, DC. So leave aside everything going on in

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Speaker 2: of just anti Trump dynamics that most people have already

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Speaker 2: baked in. No matter what happens there. This is a

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Speaker 2: big deal because the Supreme Court taking this case over

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Speaker 2: presidential immunity means they now have three different Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: rulings that they have to bring down at some point.

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Speaker 2: One remember what happened in Colorado where they took Trump

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Speaker 2: Oh By the way, this kind of got snowed under.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday in Cook County in Chicago, they took Trump off

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Speaker 2: Illinois decision totally got lost in all the chaos. They

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Speaker 2: DC case. South Florida is still up in air. There's

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Speaker 2: not really a scheduled date there. That's the other federal case.

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Speaker 2: Atlanta is a total done deal. I mean that thing

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Speaker 2: has collapsed faster than a house of cards.

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Speaker 1: And so Trump. Now, this is my big picture analysis, Buck.

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Speaker 2: I think it's possible that the Biden team and the

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Speaker 2: Democrat Party in general have collectively put together or the

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Speaker 2: greatest failure of an own goal used to coach soccer,

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Speaker 2: and own goal that they have scored on themselves, maybe

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Speaker 2: in the history of modern American politics, because they have

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Speaker 2: managed to unite a huge segment of the population behind

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Speaker 2: Trump based on these charges, and they're not going to

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Speaker 2: be able to actually get a conviction that I think

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Speaker 1: If we were to take a step back, this almost

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Speaker 1: turns into a metaphysical discussion. They have turned the law

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Speaker 1: upside down in the name of doing justice, and in

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Speaker 1: doing so have committed a tremendous injustice that can only

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Speaker 1: be set right by Donald Trump winning because of the

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Speaker 1: injustice that they did in the name of justice. Everybody

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Speaker 1: with me on this one. The only way that this

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Speaker 1: is trending right now. And when I say said right,

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Speaker 1: it's still wrong what they've done. But the only way

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Speaker 1: the Democrats seem to be catapulting Donald Trump into the

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Speaker 1: presidency for four more years. Look, you could even take

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Speaker 1: this back to the primary when Ron DeSantis was gaining

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Speaker 1: on Trump. That was just what the numbers, And we've

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Speaker 1: on Trump. The indictment happens, people say that's it enough

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Speaker 1: So we are in a very bizarre situation where the

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Speaker 1: very Democrat plan to do anything to stop Trump may

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Speaker 1: be the thing that actually makes him president. Yes, one

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Speaker 1: consideration I have about the and I'm not you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: we all have to know the Fat Lady has not sung.

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Speaker 1: We understand that this is still a long ways out.

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Speaker 1: But Clay, it seems to me that they're going to

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Speaker 1: would have to violate the deal. We've talked about this,

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Speaker 1: but just by way of review, DOJ policy is you

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Speaker 1: can't bring a trial during an election or you know,

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Speaker 1: in the within a period of election season. That's right,

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Speaker 1: you can't bring in the high the election season. But

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Speaker 1: it's guidance, it's not a law. And I think given

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Speaker 1: breaking that we have seen already, do you think Jack

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Speaker 1: Smith is going to respect that? You think Merrick Garland

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Speaker 1: and I think what's going to be forced to happen here?

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Speaker 1: And you're already seeing the whinding from the Libs is

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Speaker 1: they're going to try to bring this case anyway, even

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Speaker 1: though it's within the whatever three or six months, that

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Speaker 1: the DOJ says, come on, you can't do this, and

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Speaker 1: then the Trump campaign will be able to go to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court on an extremely expedited basis and say, guys,

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Speaker 1: come on, this is the most blatant election interference. This

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Speaker 1: is third world banana republic stuff. You've got to step

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Speaker 1: in and do something. I think that's where it's heading. Well.

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Speaker 2: I also think the Supreme Court has been really smart here,

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Speaker 2: and this is where I've been talking about the calendar

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Speaker 2: for people out there. I believe correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: Buck they are hearing this case now. April twenty second

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Speaker 2: is the last day that they have scheduled oral arguments

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Speaker 2: on cases. I believe I'm correct on that. Staff can

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Speaker 2: correct me if there is a date after that. I

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Speaker 1: Then.

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Speaker 2: I've been texting with people who are more experts on

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court timing. The last week of June is when

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Speaker 2: technically the Supreme Court's terms, all their opinions have to

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Speaker 2: are in a position where sometimes they take longer.

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Speaker 1: And so I think this decision.

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Speaker 2: So there's three cases, and I think it's important to understand,

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Speaker 2: and it's very complicated, and I understand if some of

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Speaker 2: because I understand that this is complex. It's a little

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Speaker 2: bit like a civil procedure course in law school. They

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Speaker 2: have three cases now before the Supreme Court. One, can

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Speaker 2: Trump be removed from the ballots? That's still a big

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Speaker 2: case that they've already argued that we haven't gotten the

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Speaker 2: sixth related charges that represent half of the charges brought

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Speaker 2: to all January sixth defendants? And that's half the jack

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Speaker 2: Smith basically interfering with an official proceeding? Can that be

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Speaker 2: basically as sort of a corporate law related hook that

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Speaker 2: which is all three of these are huge cases, and

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Speaker 2: so I think they may release all three of them

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Speaker 1: That's my prediction of how this goes. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: they're going to rule that he doesn't have total immunity,

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Speaker 1: so we can put that down on the record. I

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Speaker 1: think they're going to define what the scope of presidential

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Speaker 1: immunity is. I think it'll be somewhat similar to what

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Speaker 1: you have at a much lower level of if you're

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Speaker 1: acting in good faith within the official scope of your duties. Right,

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Speaker 1: So this is if you know, if a cop is

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Speaker 1: he's operated. Now, even that that's a standard, it's a

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Speaker 1: little like a reasonable man's standard, but it's something right now,

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Speaker 1: we got nothing right now, it's can the president do

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Speaker 1: absolutely anything?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He's the president. So and they're making this argument which

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Speaker 1: maybe we should address because I saw this, because I

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Speaker 1: did watch the MSNBC on this one because whatever, they

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Speaker 1: are losing their right now I'll get into why they're upset,

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Speaker 1: but they're saying, well, you know they had to pardon

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Speaker 1: Richard Nixon. You know, Ford had to pardon Nixon because

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Speaker 1: a little bit like the anchor baby thing, right. Supreme

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Speaker 1: You have no idea what's going on. The Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: Remember Jack Smith, to your point, wanted them to go

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Speaker 1: In the world is the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: Getting involved at all? Jack Smith actually tried to get

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Speaker 2: You want twelve people on a jury or nine people

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Speaker 1: You thought they would delay the decision. You don't think

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Speaker 1: That was the discussion we were having two weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: The thing I had in factored in Buck and We'll

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: You are now looking at these trial schedules and everything

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Speaker 1: It feels like the avalanche of problems for the Democrats

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Speaker 1: As you know, Biden is at the border, not going

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Speaker 1: Biden is going through the motions. And we know this

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Speaker 1: Well, if you remember, Trump came up with no one

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Speaker 1: Who could have known? This was back? This was back

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Speaker 1: Why not? Why is it? The White House? Just so

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm sure some of you have the

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Speaker 1: The problem is.

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Speaker 2: That his tenure has been a disaster, and when they

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Speaker 2: I think they are desperately scrambling on the border Buck.

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Speaker 2: gonna be blue. Uh with your with your good buddy evil, Uh,

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Speaker 2: well that's evil. Keanu Reeves's Gavin Newsom what's the uh

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Speaker 2: beto voice?

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Speaker 1: Who does betos sound like? He sounds like this, Yes,

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Speaker 1: like I was born to be a leader. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to marry some rich lady and then keep

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Speaker 1: losing elections.

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Speaker 2: So they've run Beto and they were gonna flip it,

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Speaker 2: and then now they're basically giving up on Texas.

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Speaker 1: Buck, I think there's.

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Speaker 2: A reason he didn't go to Arizona because if he

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Speaker 2: went to Arizona, I think he knows that he's in

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Speaker 2: trouble there. And obviously there's a Senate race with Kerry

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Speaker 2: Lake going up against Gayego, and that's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: major battleground to see who can win that race. But

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Speaker 2: he went to one of the only areas in Texas

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Speaker 2: where nobody is coming illegally across the border. And I

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Speaker 2: think they know they are checkmated here. And again the

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Speaker 2: only thing they can run is threats the democracy, and

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Speaker 2: threats the democracy as the boy who cried wolf, it's

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Speaker 2: not registering abortion. I thought Tutor was really interesting yesterday

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Speaker 2: talking about abortion in Michigan. Buck, they already ran that

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Speaker 2: game plan in twenty twenty two. If you live in

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Speaker 2: Michigan now, I don't think anybody's really threatened by any

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Speaker 2: sort of abortion related issues, and.

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Speaker 1: So what do they have left?

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Speaker 2: All they can hope to do is convince people that

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Speaker 2: Trump is a disaster, and that was their campaign in

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Speaker 2: twenty and they had COVID then, and.

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Speaker 1: Now what is it? What is that?

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Speaker 2: I really legitimately do not think that they have good

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Speaker 2: arguments to make.

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Speaker 1: I think they've used them all. They're just going to

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Speaker 1: have to lie because if anyone pays attention to what

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Speaker 1: the Democrats have done and what their party position has

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Speaker 1: been at every turn the last four years, they have

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Speaker 1: created this mess. And here's what I really see, Clay.

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Speaker 1: There's a recognition right now that Joe Biden will lose

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Speaker 1: and many other Democrats will lose in important races because

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Speaker 1: of immigration, unless they turn this around, unless the public

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Speaker 1: starts to believe the nonsense, unless they're able to flood

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Speaker 1: the zone with enough propaganda to fool people into thinking

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Speaker 1: that this is not all what we are seeing in

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Speaker 1: New York, in Chicago, in all these major cities the

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Speaker 1: direct result of Democrat decisions. They know that they are

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Speaker 1: heading in for a rude awakening in the midgrooms. I

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Speaker 1: think Democrats see that that's not just Oh, people on

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Speaker 1: the right think this is Democrats recognizing the truth of it.

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Speaker 1: And you've got things like this. You see this breaking

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Speaker 1: news just now on this up on CNN. Federal judge

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Speaker 1: has blocked the enforcement of the Texas immigration law. It's

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Speaker 1: a federal judge in Austin, Texas. He's ordered the state

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Speaker 1: government to suspend enforcement of a controversial law. Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: so controversial that would allow state law enforcement agents to

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Speaker 1: arrest and detain people they suspect of entering the country illegally.

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Speaker 1: The judge says, if allowed to proceed, Senate Bill four

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Speaker 1: could open the door to each state passing its own

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Speaker 1: version of immigration laws. So effectively, federal judge saying state

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Speaker 1: law enforcement can't do anything when it comes to immigration.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to help Biden.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, the reality is as we sit here

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Speaker 2: almost exactly eight months from actual election day, I don't

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Speaker 2: know about a lot of you, but I just can't

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Speaker 2: wait for election day to get here. I feel like

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Speaker 2: everything is trending very well in Trump's direction. I wish

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Speaker 2: we could go ahead and start voting right now, as

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Speaker 2: opposed to waiting to see because if we were talking

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Speaker 2: four years ago, on February twenty ninth, on the Leap Day,

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Speaker 2: COVID was just on the horizon, but Trump looked very

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Speaker 2: likely to win reelection, and then things went completely awry.

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Speaker 2: A part of me is just concerned that the hell

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Speaker 2: mary of the legal process has not worked. What is

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Speaker 2: there to in some way create I think they have

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Speaker 2: to go way earlier than in October surprise. I think

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Speaker 2: they need a major shift in this election buck to

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Speaker 2: happen between now and when the start of summer gets

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Speaker 2: here officially for many people on Memorial Day. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about that a little bit more. We'll also eventually get

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Speaker 2: you some audio with both Trump and Biden in Texas

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Speaker 2: at the border, with dueling events taking place today.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime.

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Speaker 2: Born from the tragedy of nine to eleven, the Tunnel

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Speaker 2: Never forget nine to eleven or the sacrifices our heroes

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Speaker 1: Let me give you a little bit of a heads up.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Julie Kelly will join us at one

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Speaker 2: point to talk about the criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: the timelines and more. She's been covering the jan six

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Speaker 2: cases better than almost anyone out there in the entire country.

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Speaker 2: She's been great with us. We'll talk with her also.

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Speaker 2: Carol Markowitz on the border at two today. By the way,

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Speaker 2: buck is a leap leake day, February twenty ninth. Last

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Speaker 2: one was in twenty twenty. For those of you out

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Speaker 2: there who remember right before COVID shut down everything at

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Speaker 2: the beginning of March. Question for you, buck. My wife Laura,

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Speaker 2: brilliant woman that she is, asked me this question. I'd

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Speaker 2: never thought about it before. Why do we give the worst,

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Speaker 2: one of the worst months in America an extra day

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Speaker 2: as opposing to give let's say, a June thirty first,

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Speaker 2: for instance, and give us a extra summer day as

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Speaker 2: opposed to an extra winter day? Is this a total

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Speaker 2: failure of the calendar decision makers that February twenty ninth

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Speaker 2: exists instead of June thirty first.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a history of leap Day that I

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Speaker 1: don't know, so I'll have to dive into this. I

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Speaker 1: bet there's a lot of listeners who are very familiar

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Speaker 1: with leap Day. Because, yes, my gut instinct is why

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Speaker 1: February For me, if you live in a place that

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Speaker 1: gets really cold in the winter here in America, February

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Speaker 1: is the roughest month because January the cold is kind

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Speaker 1: of new and maybe you get some snow and.

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Speaker 3: Years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, I have seasonal disaffective disorder it oh,

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Speaker 1: which means you get sad when it's dark and cold

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Speaker 1: outside all the time.

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Speaker 2: Which, yes, by the way, I wanted to get a call.

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Speaker 2: We said we would take some calls and you can

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Speaker 2: still weigh in if you have questions, because I do

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Speaker 2: think people are totally overwhelmed by all of the different

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Speaker 2: legal proceedings and understanding what different ruling means every day.

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Speaker 2: I was reading my print publication New York Times this morning,

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Speaker 2: like the old man that I am, and the number

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Speaker 2: of articles in the paper front section that had to

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Speaker 2: do with court proceedings has to be an all time

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Speaker 2: record for political related shenanigans. Maybe not an all time record,

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Speaker 2: probably back in the two thousand election in the Bush v.

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Speaker 2: Gore days there were more, but for a prolonged period

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Speaker 2: that was relatively fast moving into terms of the reaction there,

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Speaker 2: for a prolonged period, We've never seen anything like this.

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Speaker 2: Ray and Florida, we were talking about Tutor Dixon. You

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Speaker 2: wanted to react to what she said yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I just want to say that the Republicans

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Speaker 3: conservatives in general, really need to get out there and

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Speaker 3: articulate where we stand on abortion. We do we are

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Speaker 3: not against abortion. Okay. The Democrats used to say faith

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Speaker 3: rare and legal. That's what they used to say. Now

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Speaker 3: it's being used as a form of contraception. Even Ruth

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Speaker 3: Gater Ginsberg said she knew roeby Wade was bad law. Now,

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Speaker 3: when Ron DeSantis was running for governor here, Charlie Christ

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Speaker 3: had commercials constantly on the TV down here talking about

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Speaker 3: how conservatives and Republicans want to take away a woman's

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Speaker 3: right to choose. That was never what hap and with

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, all they did was take it and

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Speaker 3: push it back to the states. Now, Tutor Dixon at

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Speaker 3: least is getting out there and she is articulating we

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Speaker 3: need to get our Republicans and conservatives to grow a

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Speaker 3: spine and deal with this issue because females between eighteen

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Speaker 3: and thirty are single issue voters in many instances, and

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Speaker 3: they think, and they have been brainwashed that conservatives and

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Speaker 3: Republicans want to take away their right to choose. We're

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Speaker 3: trying to balance it with giving they're the right to

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Speaker 3: choose and have respect for the child that's in the

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Speaker 3: unborn room. And I do not know why every Republican

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Speaker 3: I see almost runs away from this. They run away

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Speaker 3: from this issue.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. Thank you look Trump, it

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Speaker 1: appears a lot of Republicans are trying to balance whatever

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Speaker 1: our caller is saying there. They just don't want people

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Speaker 1: to have abortions because I think it's killing a baby.

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Speaker 1: So that's actually the pro life position is not. We're

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Speaker 1: trying to find a balance between the right to choose

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Speaker 1: and now there's a political decision that's being made, which

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Speaker 1: is a difference, is what I was going to say.

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Speaker 2: The New York Times had a front page story saying

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Speaker 2: Trump is going to say sixteen weeks is where the

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Speaker 2: line should be, and that he's waiting until he officially

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Speaker 2: has locked up the Republican nomination to make that statement. Now,

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Speaker 2: to the caller's point, Ron DeSantis in the state of Florida,

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Speaker 2: six weeks is the line of demarcation now in the

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Speaker 2: state of Florida, right, I believe Buck, If I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 2: I think that was passed and I think that is.

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Speaker 1: The law in Florida. You would know better than me.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like that has created a huge ground

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Speaker 2: swell of anti DeSantis sentiment in the state of Florida itself,

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Speaker 2: and it I do think that the reaction to rov

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Speaker 2: Waye being overturned was Oh, my goodness, this is going

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Speaker 2: to change everything. I think actually the reality has been

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Speaker 2: most people's lives haven't really changed very much. If you

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Speaker 2: live in California, California now protects abortion more than they

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Speaker 2: ever did before. If you live in New York, and

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Speaker 2: if you live in a red state, they've restricted it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't feel like the overall dynamic has really

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Speaker 2: changed that many people's lives in that substantial of a way.

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Speaker 1: Well, there or there are red states that effectively outlaw

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Speaker 1: abortion now, but people that want to get abortions in

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Speaker 1: those states can go to other states. And then what

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Speaker 1: ends up happening is you have these outlier cases. Not

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Speaker 1: outlier means it happens, It just means it happens rarely

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Speaker 1: where you know, there was the one where very you know,

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Speaker 1: very young girl was sexually assaulted. She was pregnant from

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Speaker 1: that rape, and then she couldn't get the Remember we

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Speaker 1: had this was in the middle I can't remember if

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Speaker 1: it was. I think, yeah, yeah, And they say, oh,

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Speaker 1: well that's this is a very rare case. They're using

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Speaker 1: to pretend that somehow that's indicative of what's going on

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Speaker 1: in Texas or what's going on in California day in

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Speaker 1: and day out, And it's not. It's because they also

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Speaker 1: will say, well, abortions that happen at nine months are rare,

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Speaker 1: so we don't have to talk about them. Well, but

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Speaker 1: they happen, and they're legal in places like Colorado, for example,

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Speaker 1: where they explicitly made that legal. I mean, look, I

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Speaker 1: than it is in the past because of exactly what

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Speaker 1: you said, or much less is too strong. It'll be

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Speaker 1: less of an issue than it was in the last

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Speaker 1: election because if you live in a blue state, nothing

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Speaker 1: has changed. Live in a red state, maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit has changed, but there aren't that many people that

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Speaker 1: are going to make that much of a difference in

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Speaker 1: those places. So that's well, that's how I see it.

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Speaker 2: And that kind of ties in with what I was

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Speaker 2: saying earlier. Buck, you've got abortion, If you're Biden, you've

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Speaker 2: got jan six. Those are not really registering. And I

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Speaker 2: think that speaks to what we'll talk about here in

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Speaker 2: the next hour, some which is his desperation to go

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Speaker 2: to the border for only the second time of his

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Speaker 2: modern political career.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that more next