WEBVTT - The Devil Wears Prada with Amy Lam 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:04.920 On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:08.960 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:14.120 or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef invest start 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:18.079 changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello and welcome to 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.480 the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante, my name 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.320 is Jamie loft It, and we host a podcast about 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:28.480 how the representation of women in movies is usually not 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.560 very good. We've been hosting Ken doing it. Hell yeah. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:36.600 So we use the Bechdel Test as a jumping off 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.280 point for the discussion of how women are portrayed in 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.760 a certain movie. Bechdel Test for all you roubes, of course, 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.879 being the media metric invented by cartoonist Alison Bechdel that 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:52.159 requires that, for our purposes, that two female identifying characters 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.560 with names talk about something other than a man in 0:00:55.640 --> 0:01:00.880 conversation for just two lines of diala. Should we i'monstrate this? 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:06.440 We haven't done this. We haven't done that in a while. Okay, um, hey, Jamie, 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:14.640 what is your favorite? Oh my god, I forget how 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:20.199 to not talk about man? Okay, what, No, I'm gonna 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:27.160 keep going. Okay, what's your favorite Meryl Street movie. How 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.440 do you have to think about this? Oh? Is this 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:36.280 a transition? No question? No, But how are you not 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.680 remembering not only your favorite Meryl Street movie but your 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:44.959 favorite Oh my god, Doubt Dog is my favorite? Oh 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:49.720 my god, having a melt. Oh my god, Doubt is 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:54.360 my favorite movie. I can't. I don't know. I'm very sick. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:59.920 I was like Julia and Julia that can't be Sorry, 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.200 we all have a lapse in our memories. I just 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.320 lost sight of who I am. Remember. I think it 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.520 was the pulp fiction episode that I kept accidentally calling 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:18.160 her Meryl Street. Yes, that was a fun slippy, I believe. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:23.800 Forgot doubt. Jesus Christ. That's embarrassing. Okay, I forgive you. 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:28.360 I gotta be vulnerable on those airwaves. People need people 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.079 need it. So anyway that you know, we're talking about 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:36.000 Meryl Streep and her movies, so that passes to back 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.480 to me. We're taking another cruise down Meryl Street today 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:45.040 with another street fade. ALLU street heads out there, people 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:51.239 pounding Meryl Street, pounding the payment of the pornographic of 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.560 Meryl Street. Today we're talking about the devil Wares product. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.800 That's right, two thousand six. Joint to join us in 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:03.880 our discussion. Is our guest today as a writer, editor 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.760 and co host of back Talk podcast on Bitch Media. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:12.160 It's Amy Lamb. Hi, guys, welcome, thanks for being here. 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.959 I am very, very very excited to talk about this movie. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.160 What is your history, your relationship? Why did you pick 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.320 this movie? So I had read the book, and I 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.600 don't even remember how I got the book. I was 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:29.720 living and teaching in China, and um, it was like 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.360 a week where there was no school. So I just 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:36.320 took this like um spontaneous trip with some other teachers, 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.520 and somehow I got the book. And I really don't 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.120 remember how I got the book. So I was like, 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:45.800 sometimes that book just appears inns. I'm wondering if it 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.080 was like at the guesthouse you were staying. I I 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.840 just have a terrible memory. But so I was reading 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:52.680 the book because I was also trying to avoid the 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.640 people I was traveling with. So it was one of 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.320 those thing stories. So I read it and the book 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:02.240 isn't that good, but it I studied um journalism as 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:03.800 my undergrad so I was like one of those people 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.720 where I'm like, maybe one day I want to be 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:07.520 in this media world, so I need to read it. 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:10.640 Like like I had known that like the woman who 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:15.080 wrote it, I'm forgetting her name, Laurenby. She had worked 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:17.440 at Bogan. This supposed to be based off of an 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.359 I Win tour. So I was just like, let me 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.320 read about this like boss lady or whatever. And also 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.360 because I my very first job out of school. I 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.159 don't know how much to say, but I had worked 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.800 for somebody who had these vibes and it was at 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.400 a media place, like she had these types of vibes 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.279 where like one example is um, everybody came to the 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:37.880 office at like ten or nine thirty, but I had 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.560 to come in half an hour early, just me so 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.960 that I could turn on her computer. Like this is 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:46.560 back in the day where like like like so that 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.640 I had to go into her office and like pushed 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:51.320 the power button and when I did it, she would 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.120 holler at me because I wasn't in her office. I 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.800 was like in the hall. She would be like, hey, man, 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:57.880 I knew I was like funk, I forgot to turn 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.480 on her computer. So like so I had experience, and 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.039 then so I wanted to read this book about another 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.120 like weird boss woman and I read the book and 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.040 I was just like, this is like a really fun read, 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.720 even though the writing wasn't like amazing. And I think 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:11.479 I read it an anticipation cause I knew the movie 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:12.800 was out because I wanted to watch the movie. And 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.400 this is one of those cases where the movie is 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.119 way better than the book. I haven't read the books. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.800 The movie is just like so much more fun and 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.120 like lush and interesting look at, especially if you kind 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.279 of enjoy fashion in some way. So I was living 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:28.560 in China, so I had bought the bootleg version of 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.240 it like for like a dollar or something, and I 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:33.800 would watch it on repeat, like because I lived in 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.159 this like very cold department where like there's nothing to 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:38.920 do over the winter time. It was like always four 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:41.559 dy degrees and I was just like have a space heater, 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.320 like frying my legs. Why I would watch watch it 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:46.960 over and over again on my laptop, so I would. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:48.800 I watched it repeat forever, and then I didn't watch 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.719 it for a long long time because it was like 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.279 like two thousand and seven, and recently I just started 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.840 watching it again and again and it titiuation of doing 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.160 this podcast, but also just it's just so fun. But 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.159 I think watching it now with like a fresh pair 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.120 of ice, just like, wow, this movie would be so 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.440 different than it was mad now and like the media 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.800 landscape or whatever. Yeah, that's why. I mean, it's only 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.640 twelve years old. But watching it back, you're just like, whoa, 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.320 there is a lot of stuff that this movie. Watching 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.280 it this time around was like a very interesting mixed 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.240 bag because and I am very attached to it. I 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.120 saw this movie when it came out in two thousands six, 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.760 I would have been in middle school, and it was 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.080 the perfect movie to see in middle school. I'd also 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.120 read the book where I would like go to and 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:32.560 I was in middle school, had to go to the 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.159 public library and then go to like the ladies fiction section, 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.400 so it's like hitting Meg Cabin books, but the ones 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.599 for adults, not the Princess Diaries. And then I read 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:49.240 all the Sophie Kinsella Shopoholic books, which were trash garbage, 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.320 as were the movies, but this was I read this 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.000 book too, and I totally agree with the amy. I 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.479 think that the movie is so much the book is 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.800 like so much fun to read and you can like 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.400 iTap through it because it's so that if and I've 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.480 read it in literally middle school, but even then I 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.359 was like, well, this is very like catty and pointed 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.720 and it's just sort of this like veiled hate letter 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:16.160 to Anna Wintour, which is fun to read. But the 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.880 movie definitely so I think, removes itself from the direct 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:25.320 like nature of the book. And yeah, so I saw 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:29.400 it with my mom and some friends in middle school. 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.600 We all loved it. Revisit it. It's like a comfort 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.280 food movie. I could have it on in the bat. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.880 I think I've had it on the background of doing 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:43.080 other stuff multiple times since then. It is I find 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:44.920 that a lot of movies that I either have to 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.760 revisit or watch for the first time for this podcast 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.360 feel like a chore to get through, and I didn't 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:51.960 really feel like that for this movie. I was like 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.040 actually enjoying myself when I was watching it. And that's 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.280 not to say it's not without its problems, but I 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.720 was like, Okay, this is fun. I saw it for 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.000 the first time. I think it was around the time 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.400 that I was working in a similar professional scenario where 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:11.840 I had a veiled description, but I was living in 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.880 New York City ever heard of it. I was working 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.640 as an assistant at a literary management company. I didn't 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.320 know you did that. Uh. Yeah, that was like my 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.400 first real job out of college, which of course I 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.280 did go to and then I did go to uh 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.720 grad school for a master's degree screen running from Boston University. Um. 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.320 So I was working at this job and I was 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:37.760 an assistant to this guy who was very emotionally abusive 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:42.560 to his employees. He was racist, he was homophobic, he 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:47.240 was sexist. He constantly undermined my work and my value. 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.000 He he would make mistakes and then blame me for 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.760 them and then yell at me for them and stuff 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.000 like that. So like, this is like such a horrible 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.079 toxic work environment and watching this movie kind of like 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:02.080 triggered some mild pts that I have about that job. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.240 Um but I still enjoyed the movie all the same. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.800 But yeah, I I think I watched this movie around 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:09.120 the same time, So that would have been in like 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.160 two thousand nine ish that I saw the movie for 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:13.920 the first time when I was working at this job, 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:17.520 and I was like, yeah, this used to be my life, 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.360 but yeah, so that's my history. Was it I only 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.120 saw at the one time and then until rewatching it 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:28.520 for this episode. Shall I do the recap? Yeah, I've 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:34.359 I didn't. I'm so interested to hear everyone's repressed assistant memories. 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:39.440 This is fascinating. I was wondering if I was going 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:44.000 to have any Playboy flashbacks when I was walking, because 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.800 I've also worked at a print magazine, but no one. Uh. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.720 If you're working at a magazine that is failing and 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:55.080 it no longer culturally relevant, the pressure is lower. It's 0:09:55.120 --> 0:10:00.640 just kind of sad. It's just alcohol everywhere. So no 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:07.319 PTSD ties from me. Unfortunately. Alright, let's recount. Great, so 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.440 we're all, we're all part of this. We meet Andy Sachs. 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.600 That's Anne Hathaway's character. She interviews for a job to 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.920 be the second assistant of Miranda Priestley. She's a recent 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:28.160 brown grade. She's an aspiring journalist. She's gotten sorry, Lauren 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:32.600 Weisberger was a recent There's so many details of this 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.280 story where Lauren Weisberger changes one thing and she's like, 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.040 it's not me. Andy has a middle part, so we 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:46.120 know she is not a fashion icr um coated anne 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:51.840 Hathaway language and Miranda Priestley Meryl Street Street of course. Um. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.439 She is the editor in chief. Of Runway, a like 0:10:55.600 --> 0:11:01.280 high end fashion magazine, similar to him. We may know, Yeah, 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.880 I wonder what it could be. And she her whole 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:09.360 thing is that she is a bit. It's kind of 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.080 her thing. That's kind of her thing. She's very high maintenance, 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:16.440 she's very demanding, and she wears scarves big part of 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.920 her identity. I don't even know what that means, like 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:25.160 these French is it French French silk scarf? Yeah, which 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.520 is a play on Anna Winter always wears gigantic sunglasses 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.440 and make her look like a bug. The wild part 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.360 about when Andy comes into interview for the job, She's like, oh, 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:38.440 it was like the tempt Agency Center. It was between 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.920 this very glamorous, like high budget magazine and liked Trader 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:47.000 or something like that. And I was like, but really like, also, 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.120 don't say that in the interview, right there are so 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:54.319 the way she conducts herself in that interview is very strange, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.040 the way everyone conducts themselves in that interview. But it's like, 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.840 imagine having the gall to go into an interview for 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.239 whether you care about the industry or not, like a 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.160 sought after job and just be like, I don't know 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:07.840 what this is. I don't know. I think I'm too 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.080 good for it, and who are you anyways, I'd like 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:15.080 the job, never heard of it. It's like I was 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.520 on Emily blunt side for that because only once. It's 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:21.880 like why did you hire her? It's like no one knows. Yeah, 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.520 So basically Miranda takes a chance on her because Andy 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.199 makes a case for herself and she's like, yeah, I 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.920 don't fit in here, but I'm smart and I learned fast, 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.560 and I'm a hard worker and I'll do a good job. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:36.679 So Miranda hires her. We've met Emily played by Emily Blunt, 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:41.080 and she is similarly like ruthless and um kind of 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.480 dismissive of Andy, and she's like the first assistance, so 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.240 she gets the more important responsibilities and she gets to 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:51.719 go to Paris for a week with Miranda, and she 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.839 lives and dies for it. We learned about the book, 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.319 which is like a mock up of the current issue, 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.880 which Miranda looks at and gives notes on every night, 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.880 hard copy. This is like, shockingly, I don't magazines are 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.679 weird because it's like print is dead, right, and it 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:14.280 also was dead in two thousand and six, but still 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.920 pretty pretty dead. I do have to introject a little 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.480 because Bitch Media also makes a print magazine four times 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.000 a year. It's a quarter Ofly magazine, and it is 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:28.240 I mean, it's very expensive. So I think that's why 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.440 it's super dead. It is super dead, and like which 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.640 media is like read or funded? So like we're always 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.880 doing the annoying kind of do we need to us 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.680 that we can keep printing this magazine campaigns? But yeah, 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.360 like we do. We do have to do a book 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:43.240 so that you can print it out and look at 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.600 it and see what it looks like when it's going 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.520 to go to print. But the wild thing that I 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.920 think about Andy' is that like she's like, what's a book? Right, 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.319 I'm like, oh, you went to Northwestern. You guys never 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.239 like printed things up to prove that she studied journalists them, 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.160 you know, So like there are these moments where it's 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:04.120 just like I'm is, like, why did you write? Andy? Like, yeah, 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.240 there's like certain things that if she were yeah, like 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:09.760 if she were a journalism major, she would know about 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.120 a mockup, you would think, But it is at every 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.520 magazine I ever, the book is still a thing. It's 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:20.800 still a yeah, there used to be this man, who 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.840 are old editor in chief at Playboy, would drive the 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.960 book to Hugh Hefner's freaky mansion every day at four 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:32.720 pm and you have to be like, do this, and 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:34.680 then you have to drive the book back. It was 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.160 like a whole and I'm just like, can we teach 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.320 you Heffner how to use email? And the answer is like, no, 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:46.000 you can't. That's the thing this movie is that it's 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.400 like such an important responsibility to deliver the book that 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.080 normally it would be the second assistants job. But until 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:57.960 Miranda trusts Andy to not be like a dangerous person, 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.800 she she's not going to do it. Um, get rid 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:06.200 of that middle part and then we'll talk. We meet Nigel, 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:11.040 which is Stanley Tucci, the teach if you will teaches 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.480 in rare form in this movie, yes, the tach. I mean, 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:19.320 his character is all over the place. But I love 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:23.360 when gets work, which is a lot he's in movies. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:31.800 Touch okay, touch in Alfred Molina both delivered killer performances 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:35.440 in Feud last year, so good for them, good for them. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.720 I mean Tooch was nominated, Alfred, as we know, was snubbed. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.960 So but you know what Alfred was on our podcast 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:49.800 was the real winner here. So Andy is having a 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.160 really hard time with the job at first because Miranda 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:58.960 is a devil who wears product I love. I love 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.800 that stu very ridiculous shot of her getting out of 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.440 the car and then these zoom in on that Bag's 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:13.520 like just so, it's just it's so, it's like such 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:17.760 an obnoxious filming the device. But I like loved it, 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.640 so I thought it was fun. I like the things 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.280 that this movie chooses to knock you over the head with. 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.600 I'm usually okay, I'm like, you know what, she is 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:35.640 a devil and she and she there's no way around it. Meanwhile, 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.880 Andy has a boyfriend named Nate and in Entourage, who 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.240 is Vince whatever the fuck his name is in Entourage, 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:47.440 a show that I unfortunately did watch six seasons of. Yeah, 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.200 I'm embarrassed about it. Now we all have her, we 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.560 all have her things that are dark. Um, and she's 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.200 got her friends and they're all like, wow, your jud 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.920 sounds crazy. Oh my god. Tracy Tom's is one of 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:05.240 the friends from Rent. Yes, always criminally underused and supporting 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.879 role she's given. She's great. We don't even learn her 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:13.520 name until like towards the end of the movie, she's like, Lily, Hey, 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.879 you're like, oh, oh, your name is Lily. Also, the 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.119 guy that the my crush from mad Men is in 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:28.160 the friend group to Summer. Yeah. Yeah, he's a first 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.040 I will never watch mad Men again. But he was 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.200 the cutest. He was kind of like a beta. Yeah 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.040 in mad Men, right, he's a thick beta boy. He's 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.400 like a thick a thick horny beta. I guess thick 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:45.680 horny beta. Yeah, that about that. I think that's like 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:52.119 your new line of merch just for thick horny uh. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.480 And then yeah, there is that scene where Miranda gives 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:01.560 this big monologue about Marillion, and she's the iconic monologue 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:05.399 of the movie. Yeah, besides when she says I'm the 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.920 devil and product I didn't write, I didn't see it 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:16.240 happens in like four Guys. It's in that shot where 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.280 you see her for the first time she loves to 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:30.760 camera watching the world where gonna get the double foot version, 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.000 and there's a lot of Meryl Street breaking the fourth wall. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:38.479 So then Andy is starting to get at the hang 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.160 of the job, but she is also like still making 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:45.120 mistakes and she's like why doesn't Miranda appreciate my work 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.119 because she goes to Nigel for advice, and then we 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.840 get one of the most intense anti millennial tirades I've 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.119 ever heard in a movie that seemed bugged me. I mean, 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.399 and this was like two thousand six is like the 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.920 beginning of like you won't think you're so special, don't you? 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.800 He pays for everything, and it's just like she just 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.440 wants to be you know, she's making like two dollars 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:13.520 an hour and it's being screamed at, can you and 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.919 he's like, yeah, you need to. Like it's like an 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.520 old man saying like I had to walk five miles 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:23.240 in the snow to be whipped by Meryl Streep and 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.119 like that sort of we'll get to that, but that 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:31.159 whole vibe was like, oh, this is like early millennial 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.160 hatred and movies. He also says, which is a line 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:36.320 that gets repeated a number of times in the movie, 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.399 but it's like a million girls would kill to have 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.119 your job. And that's something my old boss said to 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.560 me regularly when I was like, I've been doing a 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:46.480 good job and he's like, you know what, you million 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.480 girls would kill to have the job you have right now, 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:50.960 and it was like, no, they wouldn't stop sucks stick away. 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.680 It's from the book because all over the book I 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:57.000 don't remember, like, but it says like multiple characters say 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:58.679 that to her, and so that's one of the things 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.280 that definitely carried over in the movie. Makes sense, they're 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.600 a gas lady work environment, but that seems like a 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:08.320 reflection of at least her experience, and it sounds like 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.680 a lot of a lot of us. Yeah, it's a 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.359 way to be like, hey, you're disposable. So if you 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.879 don't do a better job, like yeah, like I can 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:19.920 be mean to you, and if someone's mean to you, 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.760 don't say anything, or we'll just be mean to someone else. Yeah, exactly. 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:25.520 You know, listening to you guys say this, I'm like, 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:27.359 oh my god, that is because like so when I 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:29.920 read the book and I watched the movie, I was like, yeah, 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.000 I'm really girls would die for that job. Andy do 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:41.399 a better I guess, well that he's probably not factually incorrect, 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.000 like there would be someone who would take her job 0:20:44.040 --> 0:20:47.040 in a second, but just like the standard of like yeah, 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.080 if you want to be in an entry level position, 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.920 you have to be flogged, like it's just like take 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.720 the abuse that we give you brutal. Yeah, okay. So 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:01.000 then he's like, okay, I'll give you some some cute 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:05.520 clothes Andy, and so she gets an off screen makeover, 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.040 but a makeover none the last we middle part nowhere 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:12.200 to be, It's gone, all of that. I love that, 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:15.080 Like there's a little this movie is just old enough 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.399 that you need to listen to the music cue to 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.720 figure out if it's a cute outfit or not, because 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.920 it's not a cute outfit. Now, like the outfit Andy 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.560 walks into the office with it's like this weird like 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:29.720 gossip Girl private school jacket. You're like, what is this? 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.920 But the music is like no, no, no, no no no. 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:40.280 I was like, oh, I guess this is good. I 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.960 still don't know anything about fashion, which according to this movie, 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:46.359 I should just fucking go and live in a hole. 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.000 But I still can't tell if outfits are good or not. 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.920 So I don't know anyway. So um, So she shows 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:56.280 up to work. She's looking all sleek and high fashion. 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:04.520 Emily's like, oh my god, like even Miranda is impressed. 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.560 And then Andy is like given her friend's present, she's 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.879 talking about fashion stuff they're like, wow, you drink the 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.679 kool aid and chriss And then after she gives them 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:17.159 these they means her friends are like they don't they 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.200 don't get it. So those scenes, Yeah, I'm excited to 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.600 talk about those scenes because her friends because she is 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.919 being weird and I don't have Has that ever happened 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:28.880 to either of you? Where like you get a new 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.440 job or you get really into something and then your 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.920 friends are kind of like, oh yeah, like James really 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:36.920 into this fucking weird ship right now, like when I 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:41.480 do me every day with Paddington, But like, has it 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.600 ever caused it? Actual? Like, I don't know, I've worked 0:22:44.720 --> 0:22:49.359 for real tension freaky Okay, I've had experiences like that before. 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:58.879 I already apologize for Actually I actually have a bone 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:02.240 to pick with you. No, I just like my my 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.760 cousins didn't like when I was going through a phase 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:08.200 in my career where I was when I was butt 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:13.840 chugging on on Camra. So that was are they concerned 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:17.440 about your health? No? That's if they had been concerned 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:19.879 about my health, I would have been like, oh it's 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:24.879 I am too, But they weren't. They were just like, 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:27.280 not a good look. What if you want to run 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:30.840 for office? And I was like, screw you, guys. Rand's 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:41.280 calling left the table anyways, relatable soon and then Andy 0:23:41.359 --> 0:23:46.359 goes to an event and she meets Christian Thompson. Colored 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:49.760 Hair writer whose work she admires, is played by Simon 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:54.520 Baker Flush colored Hair, a blond adult male. She starts 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.359