1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Max and 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm Ben, and today we're taking a journey, a journey 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: through our d n A and uh we're going back, 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: way back, way back. Yet this is a deep cut. 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Today we are talking about the lost Races of man 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: Nope U Matt, you remember earlier, gosh is a long 10 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: time ago, we covered them, the belief in giants, right, oh, yes, 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: that was one of the earliest episodes we didn't and uh, 12 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: interesting thing that we found is that not only are 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: there quite a few hoaxes, especially in the days of photoshop, 14 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: and um, you know you've earlier than that, in the 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: days of disreputable would be scientists. And you've probably seen 16 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: these photos online, the photos of maybe it's paleontologists down 17 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: by some bones that and there happens to be a 18 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: giant human skull bone there as well. Right, that's ridiculously 19 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: out of proportion, and it will say, hey, real photos 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: of giants on it. Uh, we can assure you, uh, 21 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: those are photoshop. Those for sure photoshop, but amid all 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: those hoaxes and amid you know, both digital and analog, 23 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: I guess we have. We have also found that there 24 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: are quite a few unexplained things about early humanity in general. 25 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: And um, if you guys will sit through some folklore 26 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: with us, we can build a pretty fascinating case here. H. 27 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: First off, every single culture, I don't like generalities, but generalizations, 28 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: but it's true. Every single culture has legends of some 29 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: sort of human like entities. Right, Yeah, you've got some 30 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: that have the human like intelligence. Um, you think of 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: the fairies or maybe the gnomes, even giants, their legends 32 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: of these throughout many cultures, almost all cultures, and giants 33 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: are some of the original bad guys and a lot 34 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: of the epic tales of earlier empires, you know we have. 35 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: Of course, for most people in monotheistic faiths, Goliath would 36 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: be uh number one giant. The idea of the Nephelin 37 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: being giants was also present in early Old Testament stuff, 38 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: some of which made it into the thechanical canonical version 39 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: of the Bible and other stuff that's more on the 40 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: b sides. Uh. And then we know that there are 41 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: other myths and legends about creatures that are a blend 42 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: of animal and man. And this stuff is huge, and 43 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: of course it depends upon the types of animals present 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: in that culture's environment. Right. Yes, you wouldn't have a 45 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: giraffe uh in Native American culture, right if you just 46 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't see it because it wasn't there. But you would 47 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: have um stuff like a sader in uh in Mediterranean 48 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: culture where goats are common, menatars centaurs. But then also, uh, 49 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: let's not forget things that can change into animals, like 50 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: the werewolf myths. Oh yeah, skin walkers and all the 51 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: There are a lot of myths, especially Native American myths 52 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff, and we have a whole 53 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: podcast about that too, Yes, we do, um and others. 54 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes you've got kind of an angelic or a demonic 55 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: version of a human that isn't really human, so cool, um, yeah, 56 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: it's certainly cool. And these are you know, vampires, jin 57 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: the undead, that kind of stuff. Yeah, And most of 58 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: these legends are culturally specific. So what we mean by 59 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: that is that most of these legends have a very 60 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: specific type of elf belief or type of faye belief, 61 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: or very specific race of giants or animal near human people. 62 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: But there are some commonalities here in These commonalities are startling. First. 63 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: Pretty much every culture has some idea of little people, 64 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: whether these are little physical people or little spirits, you know, 65 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 1: a spirit of your home or something. Um, maybe it's 66 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: not fair to say every culture, every continent save Antarctica 67 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: has myths like this. And then giants are always around, 68 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: as we said, the original bad guys. And there's another 69 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: thing which I think we've we you and I referred 70 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: to as near men or almost men. Yeah, these are 71 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: apes sometimes, uh usually apes sasquatch things, yeah, orangutans that 72 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: just live in the forest, but they you know, if 73 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: you get a glimpse and you don't really know what 74 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: it is, Yeah, it could. I could imagine someone seeing, uh, 75 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: kind of an older orangutan with the long arms, just 76 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: this weird old man in the woods who's just hanging 77 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: out in the forest. It's his domain. Maybe he's magical. 78 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm freaked out just from here and 79 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: you tell this story. I've never seen that thing before, right, Yeah, 80 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: And that's that's a really good point map because some 81 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: of these legends have later proven to have a grain 82 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: of truth, right, especially the example that you just mentioned, 83 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: which is a rangutans. Well, yeah, it's a it's a 84 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: fairly strange looking creature and it's but it's very humanlike 85 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: as well. And for a long time, uh, the Europeans 86 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: who were invading or colonizing, depending on which side of 87 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: history you're on. Uh, for a long time, those uh, 88 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: the Europeans were saying, what is this weird monster you 89 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: guys are talking about? Who is the old man of 90 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: the forest? And nobody believed it until the discovery finger 91 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: quote discovery of the orangutang, which is is fascinating to me. 92 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: And we know that this has happened, you know, with 93 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: other ape populations. Guerrillas at one time were believed to 94 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: be largely fictitious by uh, by early colonizing Europeans. I 95 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: believe it was early colonizing Europeans. Somebody will fact check 96 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: me on that. But this brings us so we've walked 97 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: through the folklore. We've shown that in a few cases 98 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: the folklore does have some sort of grain of truth, right, 99 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: So it brings us to this, what about Homo sapiens. 100 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,239 Speaker 1: Did we ever encounter early creatures one ones that actually 101 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: were like us. It's a good question. Well, if we 102 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: want to use natural selection as the kind of the 103 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: lens that we're looking through, then we absolutely had to 104 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: have Homo sapiens had to have experienced Neanderthals or at 105 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 1: least a version or I guess it would be closer 106 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: to the well, I mean talking out of my um 107 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: rear at the moment, but it would have to be. 108 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: You know, we split at some point, and it's not 109 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: it's not instantaneous, and you the other you know, once 110 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: you've split, whatever you turned into the other side just 111 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: doesn't disappear, right, Yeah, it's uh, it's sort of like 112 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: the old problem with um some theories about teleportation. It 113 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit by way of painful analogy 114 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: about a movie called The Prestige, And yeah, this is tangential. 115 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: This is also chock full of spoilers. So if you 116 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: have not seen The Prestige and you are one of 117 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: those people who will get upset at me, uh for 118 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: you listening to spoilers, then don't listen to this part. Uh. Anyway. 119 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: In The Prestige, David Bowie plays Nicola Tesla and does 120 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: a pretty good job considering they look nothing alike, and 121 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: he uh, he invents this teleportation machine with a huge drawback. 122 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't so much teleport people as it makes copies 123 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: of objects, because actual teleportation is much more difficult than this, 124 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: this sort of mimicry or doubling. So there's a very 125 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: strange situation where one of the magicians, one of the 126 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: main characters in the Prestige, is continually killing earlier versions 127 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: of himself, which is which is hellish. And there's also 128 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: an Orson Scott card story about that that was great. 129 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: But I don't want to ruin that one for you either. 130 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: Movies all day long. I've done enough damage, you know, 131 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: I think. So we do know, we do know that 132 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: there are a lot of unanswered questions about the arrival 133 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: of modern man. Anyway, For for most of us, most 134 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: people in the West understand the out of Africa theory, 135 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: which is the prevalent modern the prevalent theory in the 136 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: modern time today. And we all know the story. So 137 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: home Sapien evolves in Africa and from Africa leaves via 138 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: you know, the Northwest Africa area to locations around the globe, 139 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: spreads out and civilization is founded, you know, somewhere in 140 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: the Near East Middle East in this valley. Um. Well, 141 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: that is also coming up for debate because there are 142 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: some ancient sites have been rediscovered. Yeah, older sites than 143 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: they should be. How do you pronounce it Cat's hole hill? 144 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: That I'm not I can't you know what? I know 145 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking to. Yeah, did you hear what 146 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: Ben said? Trying to figure out how to put that 147 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: into Google? And uh, look that up because it's really interesting. Okay, So, um, 148 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: but there are alternate theories. There are there. Perhaps there's 149 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: this one theory that there may have been another hominid 150 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: or humanoid um that had left Africa earlier and traveled 151 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: throughout the world. And in this theory, humanity evolved different 152 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: locations throughout the world separately. Um. And this is I 153 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: think it's called the multi regional theory. Yes, the multi 154 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: regional theory, which sounds can sound pretty strange to us. 155 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: If you look at the timeline of evolution of man 156 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: from what we know, the the errors, the margins of 157 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: error are huge, just the range of dates in which 158 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: these things could have occurred. Uh So, while there is 159 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: room to explore that, it's not and it's not treated 160 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: as um Importantly, in the West, but in some areas 161 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: of the world. In China, for instance, a version of 162 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: the multi regional evolutionary theory is incredibly popular. Really. Yeah, 163 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be honest with you. Uh, I've read 164 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: some accusations that it's because of racism. Well, unfortunately, that's 165 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: where my mind goes when I hear it. Uh, it could. 166 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: Here's the problem it it's possible. I can't discount it currently, 167 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: but at least that theory because I don't have the 168 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: tools to do the research. I know, I know what 169 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: the information is. Uh, anyway I can. That's where my 170 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: mind went when we began talking about that theory. Yeah, 171 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: it's strange because it makes um it makes a space 172 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: where you could say, well, you could easily see a 173 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: lot of people with tremendous prejudice saying, oh, yes, of 174 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: course we really are different to you know, insert group 175 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: we don't like here. Somebodys have beef with the Welsh 176 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: or something, and they say, uh, you know, and yes, guys, 177 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: Welsh listeners. I'm using the Welsh as an example of 178 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: racism because I'm pretty sure that it's not a serious thing. 179 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: And if I'm wrong, I'm I'm sorry, but I'm just 180 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: using it as an example that would be a terrible thing. 181 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: If that would be a terrible thing, Welsh prejudice. I 182 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: hope it's not around anymore. Point being, point being, there 183 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: is a space in there that people use intern for racism. 184 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: There's another similar theory that in earlier Hommed had left 185 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: Africa involved evolved into something like Homo Sapien. So maybe 186 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: you know the demo version of the full album that 187 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: will be Homo Sapien and then returns to Africa then 188 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: uh homecoming. Yeah, like an into Africa before out of Africa. Interesting, 189 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: But again, the most widely accepted theory by far and 190 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: large is the out of Africa theory, wherein Homo sapien 191 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: evolves on the African continent, departs, leaves later um starts 192 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: to have regional variants into the things that we recognize 193 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: as different parts of different human populations around the world today. 194 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: So you know, you and I have a lot of 195 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: freckles that happened, stuff like that, kind of those those 196 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: are a hominid ancestors. Gotta own it, man, yetta own it. 197 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: It's just too expensive to get all these things removed. Uh, 198 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: it's not cool. We can't even walk outside for very 199 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: long then, But it's all part of the mosaic that 200 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: is the human experience. Right, there are some cave dwellers, 201 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: our ancestors. I'm sorry, I'm harping on this, but hey man, 202 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: they lived. They must have been deep in those caves 203 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: um to. Yeah, and today, Homo sapien in general is 204 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: one of the most successful large life forms in Earth's history. Now, 205 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: we have talked before about what defines a successful life form, 206 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: like our insects. The most successful type of life as bacteria, 207 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: because God knows, they're a hell of a lot more 208 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: of them than there are humans. Yeah, but regardless of Ben, 209 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: there are billions of humans running around the Earth. And 210 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: that's a large number. Even though there are a lot 211 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: more of the others of insects and those things, there's 212 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: a whole lot of us. We're pretty big. But here's 213 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: the thing. Have we always been alone in this space 214 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: of the intelligent large creatures? What a great question. And 215 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: before we answer that that, I think it's time that 216 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: we have a word from our sponsor. All right, sounds good, 217 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: let's uh, let's go to it. Well, Hey there, Ben 218 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: uh me, Yes, you you have a look of fear 219 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: and terror about you. Oh jeez, I don't mean to him. 220 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: Is it my eyes? It's your eyes, it's your posture, it's, frankly, 221 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: your smell. Everything about you says that you are afraid 222 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: of giants. Oh well, I am afraid of giants, and 223 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: you should be. They are huge, they are dangerous. The 224 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: legends are true, my friend. 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Oh, 258 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: we have not been. The Neanderthals are the first group 259 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: of hominids that we need to talk about. They were 260 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: first discovered in Germany in the neander Valley, which is 261 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: a silly name anyway. Yeah, so they're they're usually classified 262 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: by paleontologists as the species Homo neanderthal talnus, and some 263 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: consider them to be kind of a the sub or 264 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: a subspecies of Homo sapiens um, Homo sapiens and neanderthalis um. 265 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, so the question is if they're their 266 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: own species or if they're just a subspecies of modern man. Absolutely, 267 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: that's that is the question. So the first humans with 268 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: proto Neanderthal traits are believed to have existed in Europe 269 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: um roughly or as early as six hundred thousand to 270 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty thousand years ago, right, and so 271 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: this means that they became extinct during the time of 272 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: of modern man in terms, you know, in terms of anatomy. Right. Uh, 273 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: there's a another group that we should talk about that 274 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: you and I got pretty excited about when we first 275 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: heard of this, and those are the dennis Ovans Um 276 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: spoiler alert. Most of the early Man variations that we 277 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: find have names based only on where they were first discovered. Okay, 278 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: so the dennis Ovans, we don't have much to go 279 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: on with these folks. Uh. Fairly recently, researchers at the 280 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: dennis Ovan Cave in the Altai Mountains of Siberia found, uh, 281 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: just some tiny stuff like fingerbone, toe, a couple of toes, 282 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: fragments of skulls, and from this they were able to 283 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: look at the d NA and discover that there was 284 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: another either a completely different species of early Man or 285 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: a subspecies of Homo sapien. And here's the thing, Asia, 286 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: the entire continent is not very well mapped from an 287 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: evolutionary perspective, so we're not sure what's going on with 288 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: the Denisovans. We don't really know what they look like. 289 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: We we don't know where they came from. Well, yeah, 290 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: it's it's very new, the denisovi and the idea of 291 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: the Denisoan is very new, and we could have found 292 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: some stuff from earlier that was also a Denisovan example, 293 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: but just not recognized, right. Um. One one thing to 294 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: note here been is that it's I've seen them called 295 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: Asian Neanderthals or the denisovan uh Denizoans referred to as that, 296 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: and that doesn't appear to be accurate. Even though it 297 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: does appear that they bred with Neanderthals or interbred with 298 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: neanderthals um, seventeen of their DNA does it does seem 299 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: to be neandertal um, although they think maybe they also 300 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: perhaps bread with another unknown uh homaid variant. Weird, right, 301 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: And this is this fascinating because some Neanderthal bones were 302 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: found with Dennisouvan bones in the Altzhim Mountain cave and 303 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: it seems as though they might have been living together. Again, 304 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: we don't know what they look like because we only 305 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: found a little bit of stuff, but this, this fingerbone, 306 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: which is from a younger female, is uh way bigger 307 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: than it would be if she was a Homo sapien. 308 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: So based on that, the big assumption that we're making 309 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: is that they were probably what's a polite way to 310 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: say this, probably robust, you know, hardy. Maybe in a 311 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: video game they would be the tank. Oh totally yeah, 312 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: if that makes sense, they have a shield and a sword, right, Yeah, 313 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: they're bruisers for sure. At least they were larger than 314 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: Homo sapien probably maybe not taller. But research is ongoing, 315 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: so we're gonna learn more about Dennis Ovins as we continue. 316 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll be able to update our video episode with 317 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: some more information. This leads us to one of the 318 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: most exciting and controversial recent finds of early man Homo 319 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: floris sins, which I just totally that's the that's exactly 320 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: the way I wanted to pronounce it, but I I 321 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna attempt it. So what are we talking about 322 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: when we say this? What are we talking We're talking 323 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: about a real well a real life hobbit. Okay, I 324 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: see the finger quotes there? All right, how do we 325 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: find out about this? All right? So there were nine 326 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: individuals discovered in Indonesia in two thousand three on an 327 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: island island called Florious, which again mispronouncing there. Um they 328 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: were standing about three and a half feet tall. Well, 329 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: they would be standing three and a half feet tall 330 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: if they could and we're alive. But but that was 331 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: the entire community. Wasn't just one or two that they 332 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: found nine individuals that were that at all, Right, and 333 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: we know a lot of modern news outlets just want 334 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: to run with a sexy headline. So a bunch of 335 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: scientists got their dander up when they saw these headlines 336 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: that said real live hobbits found in Indonesia, uh, and 337 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: immediately started trying to shoot holes in in the theory. 338 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: Was there a genetic problem somebody had said maybe this 339 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: was an isolated and the uh. The implication there will 340 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: be inbred population that had microcephaly, which is a very 341 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: debilitating condition wherein somebody's head is um much smaller than 342 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: it should be and it can affect intelligence as well. 343 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: Or maybe they had no thyroid for some reason. Another 344 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: another thing that's not the same but similar, is that 345 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: maybe they were a distinct community that had island dwarfism, 346 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: which is, you know, the the theory that animals who 347 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: end up being on islands also end up being growing 348 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: smaller over time their species for this to happen, and 349 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: they would have to be divergence here. But there's a 350 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: really weird part. They were around pretty recently, right, Yes, 351 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: these um they lived as recently as twelve thousand years ago, 352 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: which is well it's very recent from the span of 353 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: humanity um, and that means it was it was alive 354 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: during the time of modern man. So when human humanity 355 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: was around, Homo sapien, right, they were around as well. 356 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: That is crazy because especially considering that we're we as 357 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: a society are still trying to figure out what is 358 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: going on with the human brain, right, and we don't 359 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: understand the nature of intelligence. For a long time, we 360 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: thought that size of a brain was related to intelligence, 361 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: but the things that we're learning about very intelligent creatures 362 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: are proving that is probably not the case. And one 363 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: thing that we found is that, uh, these creatures were 364 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: a little bit based on their anatomy. They were a 365 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: little bit closer to apes than modern man, you know, 366 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: in terms of length of arm to length of lag. 367 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: And they have tiny, tiny heads, you know, in comparison 368 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: to us and Neanderthals, I'm sure. And despite all this, 369 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: they still built stone tools, so they had the intelligence 370 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: to make tools. And there's a really to go back 371 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: to folklore, there's this fascinating thing called the I'm gonna 372 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: mispronounced this one too, Okay, The Ebu Go Go myths 373 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: in Flores concern this race of small, little people who 374 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: are not that great at language, but they hunt and 375 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: they can play tricks, and they interact with the local population. 376 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: And it's funny that this pops up because we know 377 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: that Indonesia still has a lot of remote forests, although 378 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: they are increasingly being torn down for various industries. We 379 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: also know that these quote unquote real life hobbits are 380 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: the longest surviving non modern humans that we know of. 381 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. It makes me gosh, it makes me 382 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: wonder if that was the last surviving family perhaps of 383 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 1: of of you know, the these mythological creatures that were 384 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: an actuality, a real thing. That's that's fascinating to think about. 385 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: I'd love to have that to that story told, you know, 386 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: and on a film or something, just to see that. 387 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: Darren Ronofsky, you're probably listening, let's be honest, it's time. 388 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. Well there's some really interesting stuff here too, 389 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: because reports of these ebu go go linger well into 390 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: the Portuguese arrival in Indonesia, and even today. There's a 391 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: cryptid called the orong Pendic, which is described as a 392 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: very short, very strong, ape like creature, and there have 393 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: been numerous reports this but we still have yet to 394 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: find a body or a fossil, you know what I mean, Man, 395 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: I just want to go out and live in the 396 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: forest for a while with a bunch of cameras. Yeah. 397 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: Well again, anyone listening at Discovery or sign Channel Ben 398 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: and I will do these kinds of things. You just 399 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, give us the money and the cameras and 400 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: we'll go. Yeah. Just the plane ticket, really, plane ticket 401 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: in the camera and you don't have to pay me. 402 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: I'll camp out in Indonesia. Sure, I mean all right. 403 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: So what's fascinating here is that the theories of how 404 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: these creatures arrived. Maybe it's not fair to call them creatures. 405 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: I think they're close enough that we should refer to 406 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: them as people. The theories of how these Homo fluorescencess 407 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: arrive on this island sort of requires them to have 408 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: a knowledge of rafting at the very least, to come 409 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: over on a bamboo boat or something, because the distance 410 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: is too far to swim. So this means that they 411 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: also at some point, whoever their ancestors were. Whomever their 412 00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: ancestors were, those people were capable of building boats, which 413 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: makes us rethink a lot of the stuff that we 414 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: we think about because these these creatures are clearly not 415 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: Homo sapien the way that we would understand it. And 416 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: so is it possible that's just an isolated branch of 417 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: Homo sapien that over the years, over the centuries, over millennia, 418 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: became something that seems startlingly different. And that's not even 419 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 1: that's not even all of it. We just named the 420 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: three early man types early human types that we know of, 421 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: because there's more to the story, right, that's right. Then 422 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: there are a lot of known unknowns. Uh. We we 423 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: do know that both Dennis Ovans and Neanderthals they both 424 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: bred with another early unknown version of man, and we 425 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: don't know what that was at all, or well, at 426 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: least there are some ideas, but we we really don't know. 427 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: And we also if you also are look at the 428 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: gaps in the early record, it's also possible that we 429 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: may discover these other variations just from going at it 430 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: basically more digging and more searching. Um. But the biggest 431 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: thing are Okay, so if we if we want to 432 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: look at um, one of the most interesting things to 433 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: me are these mysterious graves that exist. Okay, yeah, there 434 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: are there are numerous anecdotal and proven accounts of mysterious 435 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: grave sites with near human or humanoid basically humanlike remains, 436 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: and they're often really old. Yeah, and some of those 437 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: are our hoaxes, like the photoshop giant pictures you mentioned earlier, 438 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: or like the pilt down man in England. Uh, they're 439 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, there are cases where unscrupulous, often racist investigators 440 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: would take you know, like an ape's jaw bone and 441 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: put it on a human skull and things like that. 442 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: But those hoaxes aren't the only thing. They're also medical conditions, right, Yeah, 443 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: you've got agromeglia, dwarf is um um micro or also 444 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: hypo cephali. There's all kinds of genetic disorders like the 445 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: what's that what's that one been? The boscops man? Oh yeah, okay, 446 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: so this is this is interesting because we don't know 447 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: if it's exactly a genetic disorder yet. So there was 448 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: a series of skulls found in South Africa by some 449 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: farmers and they noticed, to their credit that these these 450 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: skulls fragments they were finding didn't seem to be what 451 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: you would expect from a human skull, and essentially what 452 00:30:54,520 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: they found were baby faced people with huge Craney ancient 453 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: too so in uh some of the fringe research sites. 454 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: And according to a very controversial study, this so called 455 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: bust scopes man most scopes man, if I'm pronouncing correctly, 456 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: is a highly evolved or highly intelligent variant of human 457 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: that somehow died out way in the past. And this 458 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: argument for a very high intelligence on the part of 459 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: these fossils is made based on the based on the 460 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: size of what their brain would have been, how much 461 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: how much brain they could have in their brain case. 462 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: And again going back to the earlier thing we pointed out, 463 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: what we have learned is that that is not necessarily 464 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: the deciding factor. The brain can be smaller and really intelligent. 465 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: I E. Ravens. Yeah, sure, they're all kinds. There's high 466 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: intelligence all over the place in the brain. I guess 467 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: it matters in the folds mostly right. It's it's also, yeah, 468 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: which regions of the brain are the most are the 469 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: most of all, they're the most sophisticated. So when we 470 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: when we look at this, of course we're wading through 471 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: a lot of misinformation and a lot of disinformation. We 472 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: have an earlier podcast on misinformation and disinformation. If you 473 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: want to know the difference, right, Um, but we also 474 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: know that despite the hoaxes, despite the things that may 475 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: clearly be medical conditions, we have social practices and then 476 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: we have some inexplicable stuff. So when we say social practices, 477 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: there are these skulls that have, um, that that have 478 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: sort of a cone head look, you know, very elongated. Yeah, 479 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: and it's because they were shaping their heads, right since 480 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: they were essentially since they're born, and they begin shaping 481 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: their heads the way they do it, and don't do 482 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: this to your children s, don't. But the way that 483 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: they do it is taking wet uh slats of wood 484 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm acting it out now into 485 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: podcast and and wrapping the wood tightly around the head 486 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: so that it's pressing. Now you remember, of course, that 487 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: a baby's skull is much more pliable than human skull. 488 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: The bones that you are born within your skull as 489 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: child don't fuse together until you know, later in life. 490 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: So they're able to make these things that look like 491 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: make these people that look like they have heads from 492 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: the alien films. Yeah, but then there are also other things, um, 493 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: the horned growths. I remember seeing pictures of this ben Um. 494 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: Is this was this something found in the skull or 495 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: is this something that was artificially done? We ah, yeah, 496 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: that's a good question. We know that there are a 497 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: lot of hoaxes about this kind of stuff too, but 498 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: we do know that people can grow horns um for 499 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: all intents and purposes. You can look up pictures of 500 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: people who have been alive, likely during your lifetime, who 501 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: due to one rare condition or another, have grown horns. 502 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: They're normal people. They're just normal people affected with something 503 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: the same way that you would be affected with a mole, 504 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, growth on the bone. Uh. Yeah, 505 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,479 Speaker 1: I don't know enough about this to really delve into 506 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: it yet, um, but I can definitely check it out. 507 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: We can do, you know, devil people. If it's not 508 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: gonna be too offensive, I'm gonna look into it. Yeah. 509 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: And also we know, because of confirmation bias, that a 510 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: lot of skulls have been found that are irregular, such 511 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: as the very popular star child skull. Remember that one. 512 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: Uh that these have these have been touted by people 513 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: who believe in ancient alien theories as evidence of alien 514 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: visitation or something else. It looks like in most cases, 515 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: those deformed skulls come either from a medical condition or 516 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: from a uh social practice, but they're inexplicable corpses. There 517 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: really are corpses that are There are bones, at least 518 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: skeletons that are eight feet tall that we find, and 519 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: they're freaky, but so far as we know, they're not 520 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: part of a large breeding population. We've only found a few. 521 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: But to me, the most interesting things that we find 522 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: that are the most difficult to explain would be anachronistic remains. 523 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: Anachronistic meaning something that is not in the time it 524 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: belongs in. And this would be stuff like Romans out 525 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: in western China at the wrong time. So they're finding 526 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: Caucasian corpses in the weirdest places. That's easily explained. Well, 527 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: it's just time travel, It's okay, Well that makes sense. 528 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: And also we're finding you know, an African or what 529 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: would normally be ascribed as African uh remains in South America. 530 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: And you know, we we we know that history is 531 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: a muddy story here, so I mean, like people still 532 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: are trying to figure out what's going on with the 533 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: Olmec civilization, right, So we've looked at all these ancient 534 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: discoveries or discoveries, but from from a long time ago. 535 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: The earliest was twelve thousand years ago. But here's the big, 536 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: the big question again, are we still today alone our 537 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: Homo sapiens the only hominid, the only version of human 538 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: that exists today walking around? Could you? Could you go 539 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: somewhere and find one, find another type of human? Well, 540 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: according to some studies that are a little bit controversial, 541 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: you and I might be talking to Neanderthal right now, 542 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: or Dennis Ovans right I could be in Neandertal. Yeah, totally. 543 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: Those freckles and our reddish hair dead giveaways. Man, we 544 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: are no we are no longer pure Homo sapien quality. 545 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm okay with it. So, according to 546 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: some studies that continue today, including something with the neat 547 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: name of the Neanderthal Genome Project uh, all global populations 548 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: other than some parts of Africa like sub Saharan Africa 549 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: exhibit significant Neanderthal genes, and significant only in that they 550 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: are traceable. So through a whole genome sequencing, a two 551 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: thousand ten sequence of the Neanderthal genome revealed that Neanderthals 552 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: share more alleles with Eurasian populations. So this would be 553 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: like the French, the Han, Chinese, Papua New Guinea than 554 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:57,479 Speaker 1: they did with Sub Saharan African populations. So they think 555 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: that people did the study that this means there was 556 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: a recent gene flow from Neanderthals to modern humans after 557 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: the migration out of Africa, and that if you have 558 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: Eurasian heritage, that it could be up to one to 559 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: four of your geno. What this means, oh, and then 560 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: they lowered that percent in two thousand thirteen. What this 561 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: means is that people who are around there, according to 562 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: this study, people whose ancestry originates there have some sort 563 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: of evidence genetic evidence of Homo Sapian interbreeding with Neanderthal 564 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: The highest admixture, of course, UH would be you know, Eurasia, 565 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: East Asia, and the lowest being Sub Saharan Africa. And 566 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 1: they're not the only people that might still be in 567 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: the game. Because we mentioned dennis Ovans, right, Yeah, according 568 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,200 Speaker 1: to UH, some of the some of this DNA evidence, 569 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: it appears that dennis Ovan DNA is found in Southeast 570 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: Asian populations even today. UM and notably you're looking at 571 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: Papua New Guinea populations. UM. And there are also UH, 572 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: there's also evidence of this in other I guess you'd 573 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: say oceanic areas of the world. So, uh, this would 574 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:25,879 Speaker 1: be in islands in Indonesia, Malaysia. Uh. There. There's still 575 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: some studies out because they're still learning a lot about this. 576 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 1: But what this means is that denis Ovans were probably 577 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: all over East Asia for a time, and they were 578 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: interbreeding with modern man, they were interbreeding with Neanderthals. They 579 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: were checking off the bucket list. It's almost as though 580 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: they got pushed out and to see almost like they 581 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: were seafair, more seafaring, at least from what I've been 582 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: looking at. Oh yeah, yeah, there's or at least they 583 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: were good at it, right, or or their their descendants 584 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: were at the very least. Now we get to the 585 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: big one, Matt, what else is out there? We have 586 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: no idea. We have no idea that we have no 587 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: idea what we could find. Uh. We might well discover 588 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: that some of the legends about giants and little people 589 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: or alternate versions of near human things are indeed true. 590 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: We still haven't found a sasquatch. We still have not 591 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: found a sasquatch. We have found, of course, one of 592 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: the one of the interesting candidates for sasquatch is always 593 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: going to be a bear. But uh, but we have 594 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: found that polar bears and grizzly bears can interbreed. We 595 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: have also found that, at least in the past, uh, 596 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: large animals could escape detection. For while, the discovery of 597 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: that massive collection of guerrillas in Africa a few years back, 598 00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:01,840 Speaker 1: the discovery of recent mammals like that that monkey with 599 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: no nos it still freaks me. I remember that thing? 600 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: How did Yeah? And then there's there's still so many 601 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,719 Speaker 1: archaeological mysteries in play. Will leave you with one here, 602 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: and that's the Red Deer Cave People. As recently as 603 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,959 Speaker 1: eleven thousand years ago. There's a community in Red Deer 604 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: Cave in China, and they have a unique mix of 605 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 1: early and modern human population uh characteristics. So I implore 606 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: you to go check out Red Deer Cave People and 607 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,360 Speaker 1: read a very very interesting story. Also, I hope that 608 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: you will check out our video series on giants and 609 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 1: some what what else do we have on this? We 610 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: have the who are the Nomo? We have the Nomo, 611 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 1: the one about our humans evolving? Yeah. Still, and if 612 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: you want to, you can even go back to the 613 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: ancient Aliens content we've averard Um, there's this branches out 614 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, it's gonna go with him anyway. It 615 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: has a lot of branches this episode and UM. And 616 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: one thing we would I would like to say this, 617 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: this kind of topic lends itself towards UM, some of 618 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: the darker things in humanity, towards racism and some of 619 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: anytime you're talking about d n A and humanity, I 620 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: would just encourage you to fight any of those urges. 621 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 1: If you have any of those, uh, fight them off 622 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: with a stick. Please. Well, yeah, we we do know 623 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: that in most cases, think things like that are huge 624 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 1: impediments to science. They're not really helpful. They get in 625 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: the way. In our Human Experimentation episode, we talk about 626 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: the huge ethical dilemma of Nazi experimentation on people, and 627 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: we also note that one of the things that really 628 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: prevents a lot of this research from being as valuable 629 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,680 Speaker 1: as it could have been was the underlying Yeah, the 630 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: underlying bias, the underlying ideological constraints of the experimenters. So so, yeah, Matt, 631 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,879 Speaker 1: you and I are not. I think it's fairly clear 632 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: that you and I personally believe in in the out 633 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: of Africa theory rather than the multi regional hypothesis. Um. 634 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,080 Speaker 1: I think that there are more early races of manner 635 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: and the word race is not really fair here. I 636 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: think they're more early versions of man that were around 637 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: and have a genetic legacy today. The contributions by the 638 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: way of Dennis Ovans, uh, Neanderthals and other archaic humans 639 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: appear to be if all this is true, if the 640 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,840 Speaker 1: studies are true, Uh, these appear to be crucial parts 641 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 1: of our evolution in terms of immunity to pathogens. That 642 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: of all, after Homo sapien left Africa. So we're alive 643 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: in a weird way again, if this stuff is true, 644 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: because we have been saved by cave people. Awesome. Yeah, 645 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,279 Speaker 1: also not fair because Homo sapiens total cave people for 646 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: a very long time. I've got We've got one more 647 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 1: surprise here before we head out. Instead of doing listener mail, 648 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: you and I didn't experiment on Twitter, right, Yes we did. 649 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: We just asked you if you wanted to hear your 650 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: name on a podcast. Yea. So guess what it's happening 651 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 1: right now? Okay, let's start checking out some people who 652 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: wrote to us or retweeted and asked for a shout out. 653 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:47,240 Speaker 1: Kia Stacy. Hello there, don Tree, you are in the house. 654 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: I believe there's Joel Micah, Harris chet Lemon. I've seen 655 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: you around on Twitter. JP Wigened also seen your face 656 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: a lot. San Juan Underscore Puerto Rico. Interesting. So is 657 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: that a place that wants a shout out? Maybe it's 658 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: a person, it's like a representative of the place. That's 659 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,439 Speaker 1: pretty fun. Well, just to cover our bases, let's also 660 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: give a shout out to the entire city of San Juan, 661 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, Rico Rico. We've also got uh, a very 662 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: interesting person named g PC. We also have no uh yeah, 663 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 1: there's a oh geez, I'm gonna try and do this right, 664 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: Keith Mastro Michal's shout out to Ellipses or dot dot dot. Well, 665 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: we'll come back to that one. We'll come back to 666 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: I think that's what that means. Um. We've also got 667 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,000 Speaker 1: Joe von ax Man. That's a cool name. Oh yeah, 668 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:58,240 Speaker 1: Jessica J Glover f congratulations, your name was just spoken 669 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: uh digitally on podcast. There's Jason R. Yeager seeing you 670 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: as well all over Twitter. One of the first people 671 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: to read tweet. That's right too, and that's not all 672 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: some of you wrote to us with uh responses here. 673 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: So Bobby Samuel replied to something that made me laugh, Matt, 674 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,239 Speaker 1: I want to read it to you and see if 675 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: you see if you get this, it's more of a 676 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: visual thing conspiracy stuff. Can I get a shout out 677 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,360 Speaker 1: for my friends? Nil wob neb and cured deer tam 678 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 1: Do you get it? No, I'd have to read it 679 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: nice our words? Yeah, yeah, yeah, got us there, um okay. 680 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: And Heather also wanted to shout out high Heather and 681 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,320 Speaker 1: thank you for the very nice thing you said in 682 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: what you called your ill advised late night tweets. Uh. 683 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,839 Speaker 1: We also have uh not mugan who just learned about 684 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,160 Speaker 1: our audio podcast us. We hope you're checking out and 685 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,320 Speaker 1: enjoying it. Uh j PC. You made us laugh, of 686 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 1: course when you said it will be a conspiracy if 687 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't get a shout out. Well played, sir. And 688 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: we'd also like to return to our buddy who was 689 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: Ellipses or dot dot dot because we had an actual 690 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,279 Speaker 1: conversation online about how to pronounce your name, my friend. 691 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,360 Speaker 1: We wanted to make sure we got it. Right, because, 692 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: as we said, Americans on both continents alry cartoonishly bad 693 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: at pronouncing things. So shout out to you, Keith Lee, 694 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 1: I hope that we have done that correctly, and shout 695 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,320 Speaker 1: out to everybody who's listening who has yet to follow 696 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: us on Twitter or check out our website Stuff they 697 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,160 Speaker 1: don't want you to know dot com, where we have 698 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: all kinds of spooky, interesting stuff, and you can check 699 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: out our Facebook. We'd love to see you over there. 700 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,760 Speaker 1: That's where we also ask for a lot of ideas 701 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: for upcoming episodes. We hope that you enjoyed this episode, 702 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: and we hope the check out our video series on 703 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: the Lost Races of Man. 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