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Speaker 1: off season for your Houston Texans. Game day is every day. No,

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Speaker 1: the NFL, and anything else we decide is important on

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Speaker 1: that given night. I'm Mark Vandermer, your host with John Harris,

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Speaker 1: and since it's Thursday and the earth continues to rotate

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Speaker 1: Houston Chronicle on the show. General, how's it going. It's

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Speaker 1: going very well. Thank you for asking. Since we talked JJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt has a team. It's called Arizona, the Cardinals. They

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Speaker 1: maybe not that long ago, but pretty darn long ago,

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Speaker 1: and your thoughts on walk away to Arizona and being

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Speaker 1: I had mentioned a bunch of teams. Never occurred to me.

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Speaker 1: so we can find out when JJ, Watt DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 1: Did you have the same sort of reaction, And I

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Speaker 1: If they did that, then you'd have to move back

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Speaker 1: John overtime, what do you think of these proposals? Here?

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Speaker 1: The multimar Ravens rolling out the Hey, pick your yard

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