1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. I didn't think Odell Beckham Junior was going 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: to be traded, but I wonder if the Cleveland Browns 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: are reconsidering that with a little bit of drama there 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: where Obj's dad now involved in this. Obj A Senior 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: is involved in this. Let's let's start there with Peter 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: King from a Football Morning in America NBC Sports dot Com. 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: Why why don't you think he was traded? Pete? Who's 9 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: got the money for Odell Beckham? I mean, Dan, the 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: biggest problem at the trading deadline this year is that 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: there were a record number of teams within five million 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: dollars of the salary capper less. The Rams really wanted 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: von Miller, but they told the Broncos, listen, we have 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: no money, and we've already redone all the contracts that 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: we can. The only way this gets done is if 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: you take the vast majority of his money. The Rams 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: paid an extra third round pick for von Miller because 18 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: the Broncos were willing to pay nine million of the 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: ninety seven that was left. So with Odell, I mean 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: trying to figure the number now. I wrote it in 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: my column A week ago that if anybody wants them, 22 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: basically they got to commit whatever twenty one million bucks 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: to him over the next three years and including this year. 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: And it's just I mean, does anybody really want to 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: do that for a guy who a gets hurt a lot? 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: Be for whatever reason, okay, and no one really knows, 27 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, he's not the receiver he was 28 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: with the Giants. Is he not getting targeted enough? That's 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: what he would say. I mean, but Dan, his yards 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: per catch his way down from Giants days. It's just 31 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: he's he's kind of a mystery player right now. Plus 32 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: he's either about to turn twenty nine or twenty nine, 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: so you know, I don't know teams without money and 34 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: not knowing what guy you're getting when you trade for 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham. I think that's the reason why. Yeah, but 36 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: it's just strange that he got there and it felt 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: like his mind was still in New York, Like he 38 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: the Giants sent you to the Browns. They wanted to 39 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: punish you, and he kept yet like I'm going to 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: prove you guys wrong. I mean, they're a contender. He 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: could be a media darling, like you want out of 42 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: a situation that you would want into a situation where 43 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: you got a chance to win a super Bowl in Cleveland. 44 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: You could be the star of this team. I'm just 45 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: curious when I watched there are times when I can 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: go a long period of time I don't hear his 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: name called. Yeah. I think part of that is that 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: so we missed I think nine games last year. He's 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: missed a couple of games this year with injury. So Dan, 50 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: that's that's the big question. You know, who is he? 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: And that The other part of this I think is 52 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: I mean when you think about Odell Beckham June, okay, 53 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: you think of a real explosive receiver and you know 54 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: he just hasn't. I mean, he had a couple of 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: plays last year against Dallas. I think one was even 56 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: a running play, if I'm not mistaken, a reverse, and 57 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: you know he looked like the old explosive Odell. But 58 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: to me, I mean, he's such a squeaky wheel and 59 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: at some point you have to determine, and I'm sure 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: the Browns a buyer's remorse, but at some point you 61 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: have to determine if that's worth it. And I'm sure 62 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: a lot of teams are on the league I mean, look, 63 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: we might sit here, Dan and say, oh, you know 64 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: his dad doing that. That's just a father protecting his 65 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: son or whatever, being a fan, whatever it is. I mean, 66 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: stuff like that gets into a locker room. Do you 67 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: want to trade for that? I mean he's been he's 68 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: been as disruptive as he's been effective. And you know 69 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: the other thing is, you know, if you look at 70 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: his career with the Giants, he was like he was 71 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: a touchdown machine, you know. I mean this guy has 72 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: scored seven touchdowns in two and a half years with 73 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: the Browns. I mean, he hasn't scored a touchdown since 74 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: mid season last year. So what are you getting? Dan? 75 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: That's the question. What's the trade that should have happened 76 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: but didn't. The trade that should have happened that didn't. 77 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: I think the Broncos, if I were them, I would 78 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: have traded Kyle Fuller for whatever I can get. You've 79 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: got enough depth in the secondary right now. You're down 80 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: on Kyle Fuller, and I know there wasn't as robust 81 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: a market for him as people thought, but I mean 82 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: he's still Just look at all the teams, all the 83 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: top tier teams in the NFL that could use a 84 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: corner right now. I thought that was one that should 85 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: have happened and didn't give me the strategy behind the 86 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Texans not trading Deshaun Watson. I mean, you got to 87 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: have two teams that want to make a trade. If 88 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins really wanted Deshaun Watson, they would have 89 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: traded for now. I do not know what happened in 90 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: this alleged conversation between Stephen Ross and Deshaun Watson on 91 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: Monday night. I'm not positive it happened, but let's just 92 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: say it did. You know, Basically, if you're Stephen Ross, 93 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: you've got to get a commitment from either Deshaun Watson's 94 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: people or his handlers, his age and his lawyers whatever, 95 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: to say we're going to make this thing go away. 96 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: We are going to make a settlement on this right 97 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: now and for whatever reason, whether that was asked for 98 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: and didn't happen. If I were the owner, that's what 99 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: I would have said, We'll trade for you if this 100 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: goes away, and we'll deal with the firestorm. But Deshaun 101 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: Watson and his attorney last spring chose to not settle. 102 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: Whether they could have or not, I don't know, but 103 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: He's steadfastly proclaimed his innocence. That's America. But you can't 104 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: ask an acquiring team to acquire a superstar player and 105 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: you don't know whether he's going to be available not 106 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: only this year, but on opening day next year. If 107 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: this goes the way we think it is, Dan and 108 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: this doesn't get resolved until sometime in twenty twenty two, 109 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson's probably not play an opening day next year. 110 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: So who would trade for that? Yeah? And what are 111 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: you trading? And when are you going to get him? 112 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: We've asked the Texans twice, whose decision is this? That 113 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson is not playing? Is that the Texans is 114 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: that Deshawn's is at the NFL? And we've gotten no response. 115 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: What if DeShawn goes in and goes, hey, I'd like 116 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: to play. Now it's a coach's decision, and David Culley 117 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: would say, I'm sorry, we're playing Tyrod Taylor and Davis 118 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: Milson and you know, so then you have to decide 119 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: do you want to be the ultimate squeaky wheel and 120 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 1: start screaming to play? I doubt I doubt he would 121 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: do that. My gut feeling is this is just going 122 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: to continue as it has been the whole year. Is 123 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: it tanking? Is it? What tanking? Is it tanking? I 124 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: don't think it's tanking in the truest sense of the word. 125 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, Dan, if you owned 126 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: a football team and there was some significant evidence that 127 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: your star had had sexual impropriety with any number of 128 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: women up to the number twenty two, and you have 129 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: to ask yourself, do I want this person wearing my uniform? 130 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: That's a question that for anybody who says, oh my god, 131 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: he ought to be playing, ask yourself to question if 132 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: you would want Deshaun Watson being the quarterback of your 133 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: team right now when he has not been found guilty 134 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: of anything yet. But uh, you know, is the are 135 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: the accusations so whatever words so reprehensible that you that 136 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: you would want him that you could you could overlook 137 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: them and have him play for your team. I wouldn't 138 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: want to. Why not suspend him? You don't need to, 139 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: But you're paying him. I think that's where people are 140 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: paying him. But but if you suspend him, the NFL 141 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: or the NFLPA is just going to challenge it. And 142 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: the NFLPA is going to say, this man it's America. 143 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: He's innocent, will proven guilty. Nothing has been found guilty. 144 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: The NFLPA would win it. You know, there's I don't 145 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: see any alternative if you're not going to play him, 146 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: if you don't want to play him, It's just like 147 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: the Key Shawn Johnson thing with Gruden. The last six 148 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: games of the year. They just told him, hey, stay home, 149 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: and they paid him for not coming because Gruden hated 150 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: Keisha On so much and thought he was disruptive. And 151 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you suspend them and don't pay him, 152 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: you're going to have the NFLPA all over in. The 153 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: NFLPA would win. Talking to Peter King, Football Morning in 154 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: America columnist NBC Sports dot Com, you mentioned John Gruden. 155 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: With John Gruden out with what happened with Henry Ruggs, 156 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 1: they're a competitive team. How do you sort of handicap 157 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: what the Raiders are going to be able to do 158 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: the second half of the season here, Well, here's the 159 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: thing about the Raiders, all right. I mean to me, 160 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: the reason why this hurts them right now especially is 161 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: because they had figured out the sweet spot with Henry Ruggs. 162 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is they had figured 163 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: out that we're not going to play him every snap 164 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: because physically he's just not up to it. And so 165 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: they had gotten great production out of him. I mean, 166 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: he was the modern day Cliff Branch and he was 167 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: going to have a great career. And now now that 168 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: he's gone, now you ask yourself, so what are they 169 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: going to do? I think for the short term, Zay 170 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: Jones is probably the guy who will play in his 171 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: spots Sunday against the Giants. But I would expect if 172 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson clears waivers by I think it is Thursday 173 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: at four pm, might be Wednesday at four pm because 174 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: he wasn't traded in time. I think it's he's got 175 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: a clear waivers by Thursday at four pm, and if 176 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: he does, I would expect the Raiders to be very interested. 177 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: But the Raiders are hamstrung like so many teams right now. 178 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: They're two point six million the cap, so if they 179 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: were to sign de Sean Jackson, they would have to 180 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: get them for bargain basement and so. And you don't 181 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: know right now. I don't know how much Mike Mayock 182 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: thinks of Deshaun Jackson, but it's a very very logical substitute, 183 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: especially for a team that's better than we all thought 184 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: they'd be at mid season. What did you make of 185 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: the Rams strategy in trading for von Miller. It fits 186 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: everything that they do. They figure that we'd rather have 187 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: a proven veteran than an unproven rookie, even if it's 188 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: like for two picks. You know, you look at what 189 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: happened with Jalen Ramsey and I forget what number picks 190 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: they were that they traded, but who wouldn't take the 191 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: best corner in football for two low ones or whatever 192 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: the deal was. And I think it's the same thing 193 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: with von Miller. They will trade essentially, let's make it 194 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: up Dan the sixtieth and ninety fifth picks somewhere around there. 195 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: For von Miller, they will play him sparingly. I think 196 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: they're not going to play him every snap now because 197 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 1: they this is a trade for January and February. Dan, 198 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: it's not a trade for November, and so they want 199 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: him to be fresh when they're trying to beat Tom 200 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: Brady in the divisional game in January. Have you touched 201 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: base based with John Gruden? No, No, I'm not spoken 202 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: to him. What if the Jets have found their quarterback, 203 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: and that quarterback is not Zach Wilson. I think this 204 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: is a very interesting game on Thursday night because if 205 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: Mike White plays great and if somehow, some way they win, 206 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way solos putting Zach Wilson 207 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: back in the game a week from Sunday when he's healthy. 208 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: Just I mean, that's my guests, how could you if 209 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: the guy plays two great games in a row and 210 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: your franchise future guy had been struggling the way Zach 211 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: Wilson was. But that's something that I think it's easy 212 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: to say what if, but we just don't know because 213 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: the games haven't been played. I wouldn't expect that Mike 214 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: White would play great again on the road allowed environment 215 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: Colts playing for their season, but you know, you never know. 216 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: I do think that Robert Sale is a lot more 217 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: interested in winning than he would be interested in putting 218 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: sav on the hurt feelings of Zach Wilson. However, I 219 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: know you're a big baseball fan. I mentioned when the 220 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: Braves were celebrating last night, one of the things I 221 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: thought about is do we move on now from the 222 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: Astros of twenty seventeen. You've only got a couple of 223 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: players left al twos there, and you're gonna they'll lose 224 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: the short stock, that'll lose Korea now, so there will 225 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: only be two big guys left. And you know, it 226 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: was funny, Dan. You know, the Fenway crowd was killing 227 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: the Astros during the playoffs, and this thought occurred to me. 228 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: The best players on the Astros in that playoff series 229 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: were all guys who were either not even in their organization. 230 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: They might have been in college or high school. What 231 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: I in twenty seventeen, where was Jordan Alvarez? You know 232 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: where was from Bervaldaz. I mean, you know these guys 233 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: they walk in and they said, it reminds me of 234 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: George what George Young used to say when there'd be 235 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: some controversy involving the Giants that he had nothing to 236 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: do with, and he would say, what did I do? 237 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: I'm just sitting around her picking my nose and there's 238 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: a crisis, and it's just those guys have to be thinking, man, 239 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: you're picking on the wrong guys. Yeah. I just don't know. 240 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: I think Dodger fans are going to keep that and 241 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: never let go. But I don't know if other fan 242 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: bases really care. Since the Astros lost to the Braves, 243 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: I you know what, Yankee crowd will be the exact 244 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: same way. Yeah, you know, the Astros are kind of 245 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: fortunate that they don't play the Dodgers. How often do 246 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: they play him? Once every three years? I don't even 247 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: know how the inter league schedules work, but obviously they 248 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: go to the Bronx once a year and that crowd 249 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: will never let them forget it. But and that'll happen 250 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: a long after, you know, Jose Altuve will be in 251 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: a retirement home and the Yankees will still be killing 252 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: the Astros every time that an Astro walks into Yankee Stadium. 253 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: One other thing I forgot football was I thought maybe 254 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: the Saints would reach out to the Broncos since they're 255 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: having a fire sale and bring back Teddy Bridgewater. Now 256 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: there's a report maybe that Philip Rivers would be interested 257 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: in playing for the Saints. What do you think Sean 258 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: Payton does the rest of the season at that position? 259 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: I talked to him at length on Monday night. Dan. 260 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: I didn't get the impression that he thought the answer 261 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: at quarterback was outside the room. I'm not saying that 262 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: it can happen. But the other part of it is 263 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: the Saints don't have two Nickels. The Saints are one 264 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: of two teams in the NFL right now who are 265 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: under a million dollars for the salary cap. You think 266 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is going to play for dimes? I mean, 267 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: he played for twenty five million bucks last year, and 268 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: I doubt sincerely that they would move heaven and earth 269 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: for a guy who might be their quarterback after he 270 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: practices for a while, for what seven weeks and maybe 271 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: the playoffs. I'm telling it. Sean Payton thinks that he 272 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: can manage a game with Trevor Simeon, and he thinks 273 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: he can use Taysom Hill. He might have Taysom Hill start. 274 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think he's okay with those guys. Now, 275 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: if he gets one of them hurt, then he has 276 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: to go to Ian Book and then he might be 277 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: in a little bit of trouble, even though he does 278 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: love Ian Book. But having said all that, my gut 279 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: feeling is that they're not going to look outside for quarterback. 280 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: Great to talk to you again, Pete. Thank you have 281 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: a great week. Hey Dan, thank you, thanks for listening 282 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: to the Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch 283 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: us live every weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or 284 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your 285 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: local station for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports 286 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on 287 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R, or stream 288 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: us live on the Peacock Act. Tom Pellicero covers the 289 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: NFL NFL Network and he joins us on the program. 290 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, build build your team, Tom, who's 291 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: your quarterback, running back, wide receiver, wide receiver, tight end? Well, Dan, 292 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: I first want to say, when I initially saw that list, 293 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: I'm wondering, are we playing with ten men on offense? 294 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: Because I'm pretty sure you get either a third receiver 295 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: a second tight end to fullback, so we really could 296 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: add one the flex spot if will. My list is 297 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: not that different. I think it has to be Tom 298 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: Brady at quarterback. Just based upon the history and seven championships. 299 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: I think it's got to be running back is the 300 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 1: hardest one for me. I would lean forward Barry Sanders 301 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: because of what he did in the amount of time 302 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: that he did it, Jim Brown's before my time, Emmitt Smith, 303 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: Walter Payton, in that conversation, I'd say it's Barry wide 304 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: receiver Jerry Rice, and I would say Randy Moss just 305 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: because I remember watching him in nineteen ninety eight and 306 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 1: literally changed the way defense has had to play, changed 307 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: the way I mean. The Packers in nineteen ninety nine 308 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: drafted I think corners with their first three picks because 309 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: they realize we're gonna have to deal with this guy forever. 310 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: And Rob Gronkowski because he's the biggest matchup nightmare that 311 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: we've ever ever seen at tight end. Yeah, I don't 312 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: know if they're you know, you're gonna have favorites. You know, 313 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: Fritzie's a Bronco fan, so he puts in John Elway 314 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: or puts in Channon Sharpe. And I have no problem 315 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: with Elway in there either, because we can look at 316 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and say the resume, but is he the 317 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: best quarterback? You know, and he won all these Super Bowls? 318 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: But is he still the best quarterback if you said, hey, 319 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Montana, you got to win a game, 320 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: or whoever your quarterback might be or John Elway? Is 321 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: Tom Brady the best quarterback in that situation? I think 322 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: it depends how you define best, because I don't think 323 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: that you would look at last season. Remember when the 324 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: Bucks went into their by in November, they weren't playing 325 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: well offensively, They were kind of a mess. They looked 326 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: like an average team. We were wondering or even gonna 327 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: make the playoffs. They obviously adjusted the offense. It's became 328 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: a lot more like what Brady had been running in 329 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: New England. They went on an all time epic run. 330 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: But I don't think if you said the body of 331 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: work in twenty twenty, was Tom Brady even in the 332 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: top five quarterbacks for the if you take the entirety 333 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: of the season, Yeah, probably not. But there's more to 334 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: playing quarterback than just being able to make unbelievable throws 335 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: or run like mar Jackson, or you know, the freaky 336 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: things you can do with your arm like Patrick Mahomes. 337 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: I think that you have to look at it is 338 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: the intangibles. It is the leadership that you bring to 339 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: the position. It's the consistency over a great number of 340 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: years that Tom Brady has shown. I mean, we can 341 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: always go back to, you know, let's say eight years ago, 342 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: where there was a stretch of about a decade where 343 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: the Patriots didn't win a Super Bowl, and there were 344 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: times where it was raised, you know, when they start 345 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: out off to a bad start, and how much longer 346 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: does Tom have and the guy goes to win several 347 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: more championships. I mean, we've never seen anything like that. 348 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: And just the singular, the one driving force between those 349 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: titles is Tom Brady even going to a new building 350 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: last year in Tampa, having COVID, no offseason, just kind 351 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: of rolling out there completely changed the culture of the team. 352 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: And they want a Super Bowl against what I would 353 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: say would be all odds based on how they were 354 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: playing just a couple months before the championship game. Tom 355 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: Palasero NFL Network Reporter and Thursday Night Football continues this 356 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: week Jets Colds. That's on Fox, NFL Network, and Amazon 357 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: Prime Video. I was wondering if I gave Sean Payton 358 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: a do over, given the Michael Thomas news that he's 359 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: now out for the year, would they have made a 360 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: run at Odell Beckham or should they have brought in 361 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: maybe Teddy Bridgewater tried to see if the Broncos were 362 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: willing to trade him and pay part of that salary. 363 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: The Saints didn't do anything how surprising was that, well, 364 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: they tried. The Saints were actively involved on talks for 365 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: wide receivers, in particular, Darius Slayton was one. At some 366 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: point there may have been a conversation about Odell Beckham 367 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: Junior two. The issue with the conversations yesterday, and obviously 368 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: they were sparked by Odell Beckham Senior and Lebron James 369 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: saying various things about freeing O'Dell from Cleveland. There was 370 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: no way that the Browns could trade that contract, and 371 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: it was too late to eat money like the Broncos 372 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: did with Von Miller. So Beckham's D fourteen point five 373 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: million this year in base salary, almost the entire things 374 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: fully guaranteed a new team Saints or otherwise would have 375 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: had to take on a point five million dollars. There's 376 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: nobody in the league who is trying to take on 377 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: any salary hardly much less take on that amount of 378 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: money for a guy who just hasn't been that productive. 379 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: If you and our research people pulled up these numbers yesterday, 380 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield his passer rating is twenty points lower this 381 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: season throwing to Odell versus anybody else, And Baker Mayfield 382 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: has the lowest passer rating to Odell Beckhat Junior, the 383 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: lowest passer rating for a duo of anybody in the 384 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: league going back to twenty nineteen with at least one 385 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: hundred of temps. Those two, for whatever reason, and obviously 386 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: there's a throw in Minnesota, Baker just misses Odell could 387 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: be a game winning play, could change the entire tenor 388 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: of the conversation. For whatever reason, those two have never 389 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: clicked three years. The chemistry is not there. That contract 390 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: just isn't tradable for a guy who's got what seventeen 391 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: catches no touchdowns this season, you know, And frankly, if 392 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: O'Dell had not had a contract guarantee kick in while 393 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: he was still rehabbing from his ACL, he probably wouldn't 394 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: even be on the Browns this season. Yeah, it's just 395 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: weird that, you know, people keep bringing up Dell Beckham, 396 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: and you know he brings about clicks. You know, when 397 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: you talk about Odell Beckham and Baker Mayfield, it's clicks. Therefore, 398 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: he gets he's overexposed and right now overrated. But I 399 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: can still watch a game and I don't hear his 400 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: name called Tom. This is a guy that I'm being told, oh, 401 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, he's generational talent. Is this design? Is it like, 402 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 1: how do you have a lack of chemistry, communication, or 403 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: whatever it is with somebody that great that somehow you're 404 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: not on the same page with him. Well, that's the 405 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: real question, because these guys have had Even though Odell 406 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: has had some injuries obviously the ACL last year he 407 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: was limited. Through the course of training camp, they've had 408 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: a lot of time on task together and for whatever reason, 409 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: it has not clicked. Now, Odell has had I think 410 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: thirty four targets this season. He's had seventeen catches such 411 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: fifty percent, which again not a very good number. He's 412 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: dropped a couple of passes. He had opportunities on fourth 413 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: down a couple of weeks ago, didn't haul him in. 414 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: He's playing with a significant shoulder injury right now too, 415 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: which you have to evaluate as part of the conversation. 416 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: I go back to the training camp this year, and 417 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: you know at that time Odell was not doing team 418 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: drills yet. This is like halfway through training camp. But 419 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: you stand there on the sideline and you watch him 420 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: and the quick twitch that he has to him, how 421 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: fast he is, how agile he is, and you still go, 422 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: how is this guy not one of the best receivers 423 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: in the NFL? And certainly possible in another system or 424 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: with a different quarterback, there might be more opportunities out 425 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: there for him, But right now he's playing in an 426 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: offense in Cleveland that has been since Kevin Stefanski got there, 427 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: really really productive centers around the run game, Nick Chubb, 428 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: and when he's healthy Kareem Hunt. The passing game in 429 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: some regards come second. So he's never gonna get You know, 430 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be the Ben McAdoo Giants offense where 431 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: basically they made the playoffs that year because they threw 432 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: it to him twenty times a game and just were like, Odell, 433 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: try to make something happening. So we've got nothing else 434 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: going on. It's never gonna be like that in Cleveland. 435 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: You know, Odell I'm shure in his mind, and I 436 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: haven't spoken to him about it, but I would guess 437 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: he still believes he's one of the best receivers in 438 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: the NFL. He could put up those monster numbers. The 439 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: offense isn't really gear to do that, but when you 440 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: get the opportunities, you have to find a way to connect, 441 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: and Baker and Odell haven't done that. I was told 442 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: yesterday by a source that Denver is loading up for 443 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. That they know that the Packers like draft picks, 444 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, they don't go the free agent market very often, 445 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: that they're going to load up if he's going to 446 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: be available there. And that's why when you trade von Miller, 447 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: pick up his salary, and but you're getting a second 448 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: and a third round pick, like, we got to have 449 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: a nice gift offering to the Packers to get Aaron Rodgers. 450 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: What do you think of that philosophy by Denver. I 451 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: think it's fair to say the Broncos as of now 452 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: don't know that they have the quarterback of the future 453 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: on the roster. Teddy Bridgewater coming in from Caroline on 454 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: I think for a sixth round pick, beats out Drew Locke, 455 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: former second rounder. It's fair to say you're not committed 456 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: to either of those guys as your long term quarterback. So, 457 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: whether it's Aaron Rodgers or something else, the Broncos absolutely 458 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: are loaded up on capital to have the flexibility to 459 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: go out and get a quarterback. They've been connected to 460 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. He was the MVP of the NFL last season. 461 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: He's playing at a really high level now. Aaron told 462 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: people going back into the offseason with all the drama, 463 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: that Denver was a place that he wanted to be 464 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: and we'll see who the head coach ends up being 465 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: in Denver two, which also could alter exactly how Aaron 466 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: Rodgers looks at things in terms of, you know, where 467 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: he wants to land. Think about this, though, we had 468 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: so much quarterback movement last offseason, beginning with Matthew Stafford 469 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: agree to part ways with the Lions. He gets traded 470 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: to the Rams. You had Carson Wentz who was on 471 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: the move. You had obviously rumors and some reality too. 472 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: To Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, well, in this offseason, now 473 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson did not get traded. That is an extraordinarily 474 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,239 Speaker 1: complicated situation, including the serious allegations of sexual misconduct. You 475 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: have Russell Wilson. We don't know exactly what direction that's 476 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: going to go. You have Aaron Rodgers. Even though the 477 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: Packers are playing well, suddenly Aaron is throwing some bouquets 478 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: to Brian Goodacoon's in the front office about the moves 479 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: that they have made, which don't overlook that all three 480 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: of those guys potentially could be available. This is not 481 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: regarded as a really good class in the draft in 482 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: terms of quarterbacks. When I've talked to scouts and gms 483 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: and they're flying around the country watching these guys, it's 484 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: not a really highly regarded group. Now, is somebody gonna 485 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: make one of those guys into the number one overall pick? 486 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: History would say yes, someone will convince themselves to do it. 487 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: But if you're looking for a quarterback in twenty twenty two, 488 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: and it's quite likely that the Broncos will be, you're 489 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: certainly inclined to be looking at those potential veteran options 490 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: over the draft. And there's at least three guys, not 491 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: even counting the one year contract guys the Jamis Winston's 492 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: of the world. There's three guys who everyone's going to 493 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: be looking at, and those deals, once again, could come 494 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: well before the start of free agency. On March sixteen, 495 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: and I had a source saying, you know, Rogers still 496 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: wants to get back out west, that I think he 497 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: thought that he was going to go to the Rams, 498 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: that that maybe that was going to be the possibility, 499 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: or he could go to the Niners. You know, when 500 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: you start going out west, how many teams are out west? Um, 501 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: that's why quarterbacks. Yeah, and that's why Denver seems like 502 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: the the option. The question is, I mean, who knows 503 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: what happens the rest of the year, playoffs, you know, 504 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: any of that stuff. But I did think that Denver 505 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: has a philosophy here you'll put you'll have a new 506 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: head coach next year. Um, you know they're gonna try 507 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: to do you know, John Elway's probably gonna try to 508 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: do what he did with Manning, you know, recruit Aaron 509 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: Rodgers the best he can. And uh, you know, I 510 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: think it flied to Aaron Rodgers. That didn't he do 511 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: that with Peyton Manning? Like he wanted Peyton so badly. 512 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm I'm gonna fly to you. I want 513 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: to bring you in. And maybe maybe that's what the 514 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: philosophy is if you're given up on von Miller and uh, 515 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: that's a you know, it's an interesting team though, Tom. 516 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: I think Denver quietly has a young nucleus that could 517 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: be a surprise team. It's just in that division, you 518 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: better have yourself a quarterback, because everybody else has a quarterback, 519 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: even the Raiders with Derek Carr. Well, if you're looking 520 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: at the weapons, and I can guarantee you Aaron Rodgers 521 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: did that last offseason when he was having various conversations 522 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: and hoping that he was going to be potentially playing 523 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: someplace other than Green Bay. I mean, Javonte Williams is 524 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: a good young running back obviously, Melvin Gordon in that 525 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: backfield too, Jerry Judy Cortland Sutton at the wide receiver positions. 526 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: No a fan at tight end. They've invested in the 527 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: offensive line and defensively, even though you know you're going 528 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: through a transition. Bradley Chubb hasn't stayed healthy. You got 529 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: Patrick Certanna looks say, a really good young quarter Yeah, 530 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: there's absolutely some building blocks. And you have to credit 531 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: their new GM, George Peyton, just for what he has 532 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: done being able to amass assets right now, not necessarily 533 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: compromising this season because they're still in the playoff race 534 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: in the AFC. It's just it's impossible to pass up 535 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: a second and third round pick for a guy in 536 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: von Miller, who, in all likely it was not going 537 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: to be with the Broncos beyond this season anyway, So yes, 538 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: there's definitely some building blocks in place. You can also 539 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: bet though Aaron Rodgers is gonna want to know who 540 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: is the head coach. Vic Fangio's in his third year there. 541 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: We'll see how the rest of this season goes. If 542 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: there's somebody that Aaron Rodgers likes who lands that job 543 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: or a different job, that certainly could influence his thinking. 544 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: And at some point Aaron Rodgers too, remember he's still 545 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: under contract for twenty twenty two, so there's a conversation 546 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: that's going to take place after this season, and we'll 547 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: see what direction it goes. I mean, even if they 548 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, that does not necessarily guarantee everything 549 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: is coomed bay On. Aaron Rodgers wants to stay there, 550 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: so we'll see exactly how this entire thing plays out. 551 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: But at that point, the Packers, if Aaron Rodgers says, listen, 552 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: even though we won big, or we didn't win big, 553 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: whatever it is, I still want out, the Packers will 554 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: have two options. One is to say, Aaron, you got one. 555 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: You're left on this on your contract you have, We're 556 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: gonna make you play that out, and then you can 557 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: walk in free agency, or the Packers can say, we 558 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: know we can trade this guy right now potentially for 559 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: multiple first round picks, build around Jordan Love, reboot the 560 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: whole thing, as opposed to Rogers walking after twenty twenty two, 561 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: I was getting a third round compick in twenty twenty three. 562 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: That's a critical evaluation, and I'm sure that's something Mark Murphy, 563 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: Brian Goodacoonstein company have already been thinking through, even at 564 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: a time where if you watch the Packers play right now, 565 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: I can't imagine anybody, as much as you want to 566 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: think long term, but I can't imagine anybody is rooting 567 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: for Aaron Rodgers to be someplace other than Green Bay 568 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. The Rams philosophy, what do you make 569 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: of it? It's fascinating. In fact, I was talking with 570 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: a GM about this yesterday who said, you know, he 571 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: thought what they're doing is pretty cool because nobody's done this. 572 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this is breaking the mold of last twenty 573 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: years of roster building in terms of giving up virtually 574 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: all your draft picks next year, and listen, they can 575 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: still get compics and returns. You look at some of 576 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: those things. If Vaughan Walks. For instance, after this season, 577 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: you give up a second and third to Denver, while 578 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: you get a third back out in twenty twenty three. 579 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: But you get that back if Vaughan signs elsewhere, potentially 580 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: in free agency. But they've they've leveraged themselves to the hill. 581 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: I mean they've been extremely aggressive, going all the way 582 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: back to you last year when they ate Todd Gurley's 583 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: salary to release him, they had to find a taker 584 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: for Jared Goff, and they give up multiple ones along 585 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: to get Matthew Stafford out LA. Now you give up 586 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: two more draft picks who got virtually no draft capital 587 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. But they're going for it. They're 588 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: at a competitive market in LA. They have to look 589 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: at the Chargers. Not that it's a competition necessarily, but 590 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: if you're playing in the same stadium, I would imagine 591 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: when the Chargers are playing, well, they got a high 592 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: young quarterback in Justin Herbert, you're thinking, well, we got 593 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that we're going for it every year. 594 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: So that's what they've done. And I said this, you know, 595 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: all the way back in March. One of the dynamics 596 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: I think is fascinating is Matthew Stafford through his entire 597 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: career's obviously been a really good quarterback, but he's never 598 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: had pressure on him before. In other words, every time 599 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: that the Lions either got to the playoff, they go 600 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: nine and seven, they lose in the first round again 601 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: where they go six and ten, nobody was going they 602 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: got to hear at Stafford. Everyone was going, it's the Lions, 603 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: by the Lions. If only he weren't on the line. 604 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: Well that's gone. Now you have everything around you. If 605 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: you're Stafford, you know he always he plays hurt, He 606 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: takes a lot in nicks. He kind of keeps himself going. 607 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be one of the storylines 608 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: of this entire stretch run of the season into January. 609 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: He's just Matthew Stafford on the biggest stage for the 610 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: first time in his career. There's no excuses, and I 611 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,239 Speaker 1: think a lot of Matthew is a person I've been 612 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: dealt with him through the years. He's obviously been again 613 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: a really good player. But now the pressure is on. 614 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: It's on John McVeigh, it's on the rest of that 615 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: staff because if you don't win this year after you 616 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: went for it, you got to pay for that in 617 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: some regard because of the capital you've given up in 618 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: the future. Great stuff, Tom, Thank you have a great 619 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: weekend anytime. Thanks. That's Tom Pella Sero covers the NFL 620 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: with the NFL Network. Thanks for listening to The Dan 621 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 622 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific 623 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find us on 624 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us live on 625 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: the Peacock app. Hey, what's up everybody? It's me three 626 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: pro bowler Levarrington and I couldn't be more excited to 627 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: announce a new podcast called Up on Game? What is 628 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: Up on Game? You asked, along with my fellow pro 629 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: bowler t J. Hudshman's OTTA and Super Bowl Champion Yep, 630 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: that's right, Plexico Birds. You can only name a show 631 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: with that type of talent on it. Up on Game 632 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: We're going to be sharing our real life experiences loaded 633 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: with teachable moments. Listen to Up on Game with Me, 634 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: LeVar Arrington, t J. Hushman's OTTA, and Plexico Birds on 635 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your 636 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: podcasts from spend a little bit of time talking about 637 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,479 Speaker 1: the college rankings as the committee sent out the first 638 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: rankings last night, and we tend to overreact. It's just 639 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: the first one here, not the last one. But you 640 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: start to strategize and look at some of these teams. 641 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: You know who they're going to be playing, Ohio State, 642 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: Michigan State, they're gonna be planning. Alabama and Georgia are 643 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: going to have a showdown here as well. And I 644 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: just wondered who's going to be on the outside looking in, 645 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: And I thought that maybe the committee was going to 646 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: leave Cincinnati out because they didn't want to put them in. 647 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: They go and defeat it and then they have to 648 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: take them out. It's just a thought that I had 649 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 1: when I was watching the rankings of being unveiled. Luke 650 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: Fickle as they head coach at Cincinnati. He joins US 651 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: now coach. How's morale on campus today? It's pretty good. 652 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: I think we had meetings this morning and it wasn't 653 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: really brought up or talked about. But I'm not saying 654 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: they don't understand and they don't know. But outside of 655 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: our offices, I'm not really sure how the community out 656 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: there is really feeling okay, But let's let's try to 657 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: figure out what the reasoning is because you're gonna have 658 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: to Your kids are gonna want to know. Well that 659 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: the Boosters fans, they're gonna want to know, like, why 660 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: are we on the outside looking in? You've done everything 661 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: that you're supposed to do, even though you had a 662 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: close game against Navy and maybe you didn't dominate to 663 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: lane the way you should or whatever their reasoning is. 664 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: So why do you think you guys are sixth? Right now, 665 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: That's what I leave to you guys. You guys do 666 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: a lot better job at talking about it and given 667 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: maybe ideas and reasons and things like that. For us 668 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: within the program, it's really difficult to spend a whole 669 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: lot of time trying to figure out exactly why. Like 670 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: you said, I heard you before, this is the first ranking. 671 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: It's not the last one. There's a lot of games 672 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: to be played, We got a lot of work to 673 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: still continue to do. I think there's still a lot 674 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: of opportunities. So where it does generate a buzz. I 675 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: think that's the biggest thing about college football is the 676 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: talk in the last six weeks of the season creates 677 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: a lot of energy, you know, so I kind of 678 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: for us in our progress, said, guys, let's leave it 679 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: to the experts out there to figure out as to 680 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: why and project who might be, and let's just try 681 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: to handle our own business. What did you think of 682 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: my reasoning that maybe they left you out because they 683 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: don't want you to stay in. You go undefeated and 684 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 1: then they have no reason to take you out. Maybe 685 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: a good idea, you know. I think that it gives 686 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: them a little flexibility, in a little leeway. I don't 687 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: know exactly who makes all these decisions. I think they 688 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: do look down the stretch and see, hey, they've got 689 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: some really good games coming up. If they get into 690 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: a championship game, obviously it'll be another ranked team, So 691 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: I think that gives you some abilities. And they also 692 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: know what other people are playing, So I don't know 693 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: if they really look that far and strategize, or do 694 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: they just throw things out there to create a little 695 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 1: bit more of a buzz and something to talk about. 696 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. And I'm wondering about this because I've 697 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: said this before. It's not like Cincinnati is a great 698 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: football program, but you've had pockets there. You've certainly done 699 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: a great job, but you've got to go play somebody's 700 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: You're not going to get these big schools. They're gonna 701 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: go We're gonna go to Cincinnati and play you. You 702 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 1: you said we'll play anybody anywhere. We'll go to Notre Dame. 703 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: We don't care. Who have you tried to schedule? You 704 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: just can't. You can't get them on the schedule. I 705 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: don't know, to be honest with you, is this is 706 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: year five, and truly for the first three and a 707 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: half years, I said, you guys, you do whatever you want. 708 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about the scheduling. I've got to do 709 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: a lot of We've got a lot of work to 710 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: do to start before we start worried about the scheduling. 711 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: I think last year was the first year they even 712 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: started to ask about some scheduling stuff that I wanted 713 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: to even talk about. And I don't know, I mean 714 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: who they've reached out to in different things like that. 715 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: I know that going into the season having Notre Dame 716 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,800 Speaker 1: have an Indian on the schedule two top ten ranked 717 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: teams was something that you know, not only excited us, 718 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: but you know, for the talking heads, gave them an 719 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to say, hey, if they have any chance at 720 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: least they've got some top ten teams already on their schedule. 721 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: Should we look for style points in college football that 722 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,839 Speaker 1: it's not just winning in the NFL, you just win. 723 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: In college football, it's well you won. But I think 724 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 1: obviously in the NFL there's a lot more parody. That's 725 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: the way the thing is designed to be. College football, well, 726 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: I'd say there's not nearly as much parody, but it 727 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: comes down to a lot more of not just who 728 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: the best teams are, it's who's playing the best and 729 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: each and every week. I think that's for me what 730 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: we try to evaluate. And I think the great thing 731 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: that they will do in college football, and I think 732 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: they have done, and I think they get it from 733 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: the basketball side of things, is let's really try to 734 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: hone in on these last five weeks and say, as 735 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: that stretch goes, who's playing the best football, Because ultimately, 736 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 1: we got we got to find the right if it's four, 737 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: if it's six, if it's a however, maybe they end 738 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: up going to obviously this year it's four. We need 739 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: to find the four teams that we believe are playing 740 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: the best football. In the last three, four or five 741 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: weeks this season. Yeah, And I pointed this out to 742 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: the audience earlier in the show. You know, you'll play anybody. 743 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: You play Georgia, but that was in a bowl game, 744 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: and you guys should have won that game. I thought 745 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 1: you were guys were the better team there. So it's 746 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: not one of those where they go, yeah, there's a 747 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: big drop off between Georgia and Cincinnati, And I said, 748 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: not as much as you think, because you got a 749 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: talented quarterback, you got a couple of guys on defense, 750 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: You're going to play in the NFL. How did you 751 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: feel after that game against Georgia as far as talent 752 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: to talent matching up with one of the best in 753 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: the country. Well, I mean, obviously, I think the game 754 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 1: dictated a lot of that. I think we've gained some confidence, 755 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: I think, and how we can match up. You know, 756 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: not saying that we didn't have some opportunities. Last years 757 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: are unique here that you didn't really play any too 758 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,919 Speaker 1: many out of conference games to kind of find out 759 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: maybe where you are sometimes going into your conference season. 760 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: But I think I think what it made a lot 761 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: of people recognize is you can't hang with the blue bloods, 762 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: the top five, the top ten. If you don't have 763 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,440 Speaker 1: legitimately some time, you can play some good football and 764 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 1: you can keep some games close. But to truly, truly 765 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: have a chance to beat those top five programs in 766 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: the country, you've got to have some talent in your own. 767 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: You've got to have, you know, a dynamic quarterback, You've 768 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: got to be able to play some you know, complimentary football. 769 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: And I think to me, as people continue to watch, 770 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: I think that's what I want them to see from, 771 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: you know, our program or what we are is. Yeah, 772 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: we might not have all the stars that Georgia has 773 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 1: or Alabama has, but you know, it's a lot about development. 774 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: And you see these three four fifth year guys that 775 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: are playing really good football and have a lot of 776 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 1: opportunities to even play at the next level. Well, are 777 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: you going to say that anything to the kids today? 778 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: Just talpic come up, you know what I mean, at 779 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,839 Speaker 1: the end of practice, We'll make sure we bring it up. 780 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: And I'm one of those guys that you know, didn't 781 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,480 Speaker 1: watch the show. I went to my radio show last 782 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,280 Speaker 1: night and still had no idea. It was eight o'clock 783 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: radio show. I had no idea had not seen the 784 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: seeing any of the results, had not heard about it, 785 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: didn't want to know, But I also don't want to 786 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: bury my head in the sand because I know our 787 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: kids it matters and it means something too. So we 788 00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: try to find a way that, hey, we're gonna make 789 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: sure we're not ignoring what's going on, but hey, how 790 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: can we use it to continue to motivate us? And 791 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: you may get more publicity, coach by being sixth instead 792 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: of four, like almost positive publicity, like oh my gosh, 793 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: if you were four, you'd have a lot of people say, oh, 794 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: they don't deserve to be four, But when you're six, 795 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,240 Speaker 1: it's like you don't deserve to be six. You're getting screwed. 796 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: So I guess you got to find a way that's 797 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,759 Speaker 1: it benefits you the most. I think when you deal 798 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 1: with eighteen to twenty two year olds, it's ninety percent 799 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,279 Speaker 1: psychological and just say, okay, now, with whatever happened there, 800 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 1: how do we kind of frame it and make sure 801 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: our guys understand that we got to use this in 802 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: the best way possible. Do you have your standard response 803 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: when you're ask about other job openings? Pretty much? Do Yeah, 804 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: let me hear it, let me hear it. So, coach, 805 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: you know your former athletic director is at USC and 806 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: you interested in that job. Opening it's a great tribute 807 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: to our players. I'll tell you. What they've done on 808 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: the football field has given us all opportunities. We got 809 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 1: plenty of young guys that are getting calls as juniors 810 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: to leave early, and that's because of the people that 811 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: are around them how they've developed. You know. So when 812 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: we look at it and people bring those things up, 813 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: whether it's me or our coordinators, we say, hey, it's 814 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 1: it's all because of the program, that team and what 815 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 1: they've done. All right, let let's go around the room. 816 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: How did coach do with that? Paulie, Guys, we like it. 817 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: He credited the players and went right to the players. 818 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: That's original. Yeah, but it's a distraction. He's trying to 819 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 1: take it away from him. Put it on the kids. Seaton, 820 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,800 Speaker 1: When did you think of coach? I thought, as well, played, 821 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 1: well done? Okay, remember I yeah, yeah, coach I coach 822 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: for I coach for Jim Tressell for ten years and 823 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: there's nobody that was better that find me a way 824 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: around questions he diverting, I mean making sure he could 825 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: say what he really wanted to say. I did learn 826 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: a little bit from him. Yes, McLevin, Yeah, I sign 827 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: me have to play. Do you need a backup punter, 828 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: coach poah Man, you don't know where you're going. Aren't 829 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: you going to Cincinnati or are you going to Los Angeles? Yes, Todd, 830 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: I was remarkably vague and moving classic. Uh. If you, 831 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: you know, win the national title, I'll come back. I'll 832 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: be in the parade. Their coach. I appreciate we will 833 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: have you for sure. Thank you, coach. We appreciate your time. 834 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: All right, Dad, thank you. Thanks for listening to The 835 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live 836 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: every weekday morning nine to new Eastern or six to 837 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station 838 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: for The Dan Patrick Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com, 839 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app 840 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: by searching f s R, or stream us live on 841 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: the Peacock Act. It's always great to talk to Andy Staples. 842 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: He covers college football for The Athletic and host of 843 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: The Andy Staples Show podcast. We just had Coach Fickle on. 844 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: I asked him how morale was around the campus of Cincinnati, 845 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 1: and he seemed like he was okay with this. But 846 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,800 Speaker 1: if you're a Luke fickle Andy, how should you feel 847 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: that Cincinnati is sixth in the first rankings. I think 848 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,760 Speaker 1: you should be pissed. I heard Luke and he handled 849 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 1: it well. And it's interesting because Luke is one of 850 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: the the least bs viewing coaches in college football. He's 851 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,879 Speaker 1: gonna give its straight, and I do think in his circumstance, 852 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: he has to make sure that his team is still focused, 853 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 1: still ready to play against Tulsa on Saturday. Can't really 854 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,880 Speaker 1: look at the big picture too much. So I get that, 855 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: but I think you should be pissed because what they 856 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: said last night is we're not letting you in. We're 857 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,800 Speaker 1: probably never letting you in. There is a chance Cincinnati 858 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: could make the playoff if they're undefeated, but think of 859 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 1: the level of chaos that has to happen above them 860 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: and potentially below them, because you know you've got to 861 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: You've got Oklahoma is sitting there undefeated in the Big Twelve. 862 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: Below them, they have not played the meat of their schedule. Really, 863 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna have to play Baylor, They're gonna to play 864 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 1: Oklahoma State. They have to beat one of them twice 865 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,479 Speaker 1: if they want to be an undefeated Big twelve champ. 866 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,440 Speaker 1: So there's a chance they can hop up. You know, 867 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,280 Speaker 1: Ohio State is sitting there at five above Cincinnati. They've 868 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: got to play Michigan State, and Michigan that's a chance 869 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: to jump Organs there. Organ you know, the way they've 870 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,280 Speaker 1: played since beating Ohio State, the chance of them dropping 871 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: a game and dropping below Cincinnati feels a little higher 872 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: than than a lot of these other things. But if 873 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,240 Speaker 1: you're Cincinnati, you're looking at you're going, okay, we'll shoot. 874 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: If Alabama wins out and then beat Georgia in the 875 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: SEC title game, well that's true. Spot's gone. So what 876 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: are we supposed to do? How are we supposed to 877 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,959 Speaker 1: do this any different? They went and beat Notre Dame. 878 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,399 Speaker 1: Notre Dame's probably going to be eleven and one. That's 879 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: gonna wind up being a really good win on the road. 880 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: But their league is not that great this year. The 881 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 1: American has been better in different years. I just don't 882 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,439 Speaker 1: know what you do for your Cincinnati. Yeah, you can't 883 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,280 Speaker 1: do anything, but you can't leave it open to interpretation 884 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: of we just barely got by Navy or we barely 885 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,279 Speaker 1: got by Tulane. You can't. You gotta win and you 886 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 1: got to win impressive, so they can't hold that against you. 887 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,799 Speaker 1: But I don't know if you heard me when I 888 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: said I think the committee left them out on purpose 889 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: because they don't want to have them stay in be 890 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,280 Speaker 1: undefeated and then take them out for no real good reason. 891 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: What do you think of that? I don't think they 892 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,439 Speaker 1: thought about it that hard, Dan, I just having done 893 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 1: the mock selection in the way that understand the way 894 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: the mechanics of that ranking works. So they kind of 895 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: do them in buckets where you go three at a time, 896 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: and so they did the first three, and what this 897 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 1: basically means is Cincinnati was the last team in that 898 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,280 Speaker 1: second group of three. And I don't like I remember 899 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: when we did it. I was not even thinking about 900 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: the four or five and six teams when we were 901 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: working on one, two, and three, Like, they didn't even 902 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,719 Speaker 1: cross my mind of oh what what, what's somebody going 903 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: to think about where this team is? Because I was 904 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: just once once we had that group of three, once 905 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 1: we decided those were the three that we were putting 906 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 1: in that bucket, I wasn't thinking about the rest of them. 907 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: So I think the way the discussion works, I just 908 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,799 Speaker 1: don't think you would have gotten that advanced where he said, Okay, 909 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: if we make them four, then we got to come 910 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: up with a reason why they're not four anymore when 911 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,759 Speaker 1: we have, like Ohio State jumped them. Yeah, I don't. 912 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,399 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's how the discussion works. Yeah, 913 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: I might be giving them too much credit, but but 914 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,400 Speaker 1: it feels like, I mean, this is a TV show, 915 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, these these final four. I mean this, these 916 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: are TV games, And that's that's really important to remember. 917 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,919 Speaker 1: Where would you put Cincinnati if you if you had 918 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: the autonomy to have the top four? I have no idea. 919 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 1: And I did this exercise the other night, right after 920 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 1: the games on Saturday, and I had Georgia number one, 921 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,840 Speaker 1: and I felt like you could put two through seven 922 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: in pretty much any order. And then you give me 923 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,240 Speaker 1: a semi coherent argument about it, and I'm gonna be like, Okay, 924 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: that's that's fine. I had. I had Georgia one, I 925 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: had Michigan State two, I had Cincinnati three, and I 926 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,799 Speaker 1: had Alabama four. But I admitted, which the committee won't do, 927 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,280 Speaker 1: that I had Alabama four, not because of the resume. 928 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: But just because I thought they were better than than 929 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: the teams that were below, Well, it's Alabama too, you know, 930 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: we we a lot of this is based off of 931 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: you know, teams get grandfathered in, of course, but it's 932 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 1: not supposed to be like that, and the committee is 933 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: supposed to be consistent and having Like, if you're gonna 934 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 1: say we're gonna do this the way, you know, we're 935 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: gonna act like handicappers and whoever would be favored in 936 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,359 Speaker 1: these games, we're going to rank them higher, Well, then 937 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 1: you'd have Alabama number two, Georgia would be one in 938 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,840 Speaker 1: alabam would be two because Alabama would be favored against 939 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 1: all of these teams except Georgia. If that's how you 940 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,440 Speaker 1: want to do it, then say it that way. But 941 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,360 Speaker 1: of course the rest of the rankings will look different 942 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,839 Speaker 1: because Ohio State would be three. Yeah, if you did 943 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,520 Speaker 1: it that way, yea. And so don't say we're consistent, 944 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,439 Speaker 1: we're doing it this, No, you're doing it a bunch 945 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: of different ways for a bunch of different teams. And 946 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: I get that, and I know it's hard to do. 947 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,719 Speaker 1: It's hard to balance when there's thirteen opinions, but just admit, hey, 948 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: we're not going to be the most consistent people in 949 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,919 Speaker 1: the world. We're doing is the only thing they could 950 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,560 Speaker 1: do consistently is tell us they're not going to put 951 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: a group of five team in a four team playoff. 952 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: Talking Andy Staples, she covers college football for The Athletic 953 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: host of The Andy Staples Show podcast. If Alabama loses 954 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,959 Speaker 1: to Georgia in the SEC title game, does Alabama still 955 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,279 Speaker 1: stay in the top four? I don't think so. I 956 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,600 Speaker 1: don't think there's any chance of that. The chance of 957 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 1: a two T two lost team making the playoff is 958 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: essentially if let's say Auburn one out. If Auburn wins 959 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: every game left on the schedule, they would win the 960 00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 1: SEC West at ten and two, and then they'd have 961 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: a loss to Penn State and lost in Georgia, and 962 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: then they would play Georgia in the SEC Championship game, 963 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,919 Speaker 1: and if they beat Georgie in the SEC Championship game, 964 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,719 Speaker 1: they would be in. They'd be the first two lost 965 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 1: team to make the playoff, but Georgia would still make 966 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,279 Speaker 1: the playoff in that scenario. So it's interesting because if 967 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 1: Georgia goes twelve and zero into the SEC championship game, 968 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: then they aren't going to the playoffs. There's really nothing 969 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 1: that's going to knock them out. And then if they 970 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,719 Speaker 1: lose that game, then the SEC is getting too in. 971 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:55,320 Speaker 1: You got your Heisman vote ready for anybody right now? Well, 972 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,239 Speaker 1: I mean shoot Will Anderson and Alabama's looking awfully good 973 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 1: leading the nation sacks. Tyler Linderbaum. I know the Iowa 974 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,799 Speaker 1: offense is not working that great, but the folks who 975 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,759 Speaker 1: no offensive line play tell me that he's the best 976 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: senator to come along in the last fifteen years. Jordan 977 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 1: Davis at Georgia. When he's on the field, you have 978 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,239 Speaker 1: to change everything you do about him. Cavon, Thibodeau and Oregan. 979 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,400 Speaker 1: You know, as I haven't mentioned a quarterback yet, I 980 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: may not because I just don't know that there are 981 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 1: in terms of the quarterbacks running backs. I thought Keneth 982 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,759 Speaker 1: Walker at Michigan State made a very nice case for 983 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: himself against Michigan. If you go back and look at 984 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,960 Speaker 1: that game, there are times when there's not even much 985 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,600 Speaker 1: of a hole, and Kenneth Walker's making stuff happen. So 986 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 1: I think he's got a good shot. I want to 987 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,360 Speaker 1: see Bryce Young in Alabama down the stretch because I 988 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,400 Speaker 1: think if he plays well against Auburn, if he plays 989 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 1: well against Georgia, I think he'll have a very good shot. 990 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 1: Though again I would question is Bryce Young the best 991 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,799 Speaker 1: player on Alabama because I think Will Anderson can make 992 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: a very strong case for being the best player for Alabama. 993 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: Good to check in with you as always, Andy, Thanks 994 00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 1: for joining us. Thanks Dan,