WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 092422 DeSantis Sends Migrants to Martha's Vineyard (Part 1)

0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of Sidik Zacher. I am your host,

0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Ramsey's Jah.

0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:06.440
<v Speaker 2>He'd be telling y'all his name is Ramsey's Jah. It's

0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:08.840
<v Speaker 2>a stage name. They do call me q Ward though

0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.960
<v Speaker 2>those are my that's my actual first initial, my actual

0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:17.079
<v Speaker 2>last name, ramses Jah stage name. Thank you for that.

0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.400
<v Speaker 2>The people need to know. Man, I'm in the presence

0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:21.480
<v Speaker 2>of a celebrity over here.

0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Man, I love it, and we have another show for you.

0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.880
<v Speaker 3>This one is a little interesting, got a little fire

0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.400
<v Speaker 3>under it. Anxious to get into this one. You know,

0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I love it.

0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.720
<v Speaker 2>When you described the show, you really set a stage

0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.720
<v Speaker 2>that has a little inkling that it might be all

0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:40.680
<v Speaker 2>right by the end.

0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.040
<v Speaker 1>So listen, man, stick around, because this episode we're going

0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to talk about a few things.

0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Unless you've been under a rock, you have heard about our.

0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Countrymen on the right who had sent migrants to various

0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:09.520
<v Speaker 1>parts of the country DC Martha's Vineyard, et cetera, performing

0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.600
<v Speaker 1>a political stunt. So obviously we need to weigh in

0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.319
<v Speaker 1>on that. So we're going to be talking about that.

0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.600
<v Speaker 1>We're I was going to talk about somebody who we

0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.440
<v Speaker 1>never thought we'd end up talking about on this show,

0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.319
<v Speaker 1>but for some reason, this.

0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Guy just came out of left field with some strange stuff.

0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Not quite out of left field. I he's been kind

0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.480
<v Speaker 2>of moving in that direct. He's been trending that way

0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:33.520
<v Speaker 2>for years for a while.

0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we're talking about Bill Maher. He had a

0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.679
<v Speaker 1>lot to say about.

0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Slavery, and.

0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:47.920
<v Speaker 1>He's trying to, we'll say, remove some of the responsibility

0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:54.240
<v Speaker 1>of the legacy of slavery from this country's narrative. And

0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.560
<v Speaker 1>so we're definitely going to peel back those layers. You

0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.480
<v Speaker 1>knew you were going to get right here on civic ciphers,

0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.960
<v Speaker 1>So stay tuned for that and more. But first and foremost,

0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.080
<v Speaker 1>we are going to discuss some ebony excellence. How do

0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:04.600
<v Speaker 1>that feel?

0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.240
<v Speaker 2>Shall we? Shall? So?

0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.120
<v Speaker 1>This week's Ebony Excellence is sponsored by Major Threads, where

0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.680
<v Speaker 1>high fashion meets timeless men's where check out Major threads

0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:19.160
<v Speaker 1>dot com. Story comes via Black Enterprise nineteen count nineteen.

0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:23.480
<v Speaker 1>HBCU schools are Fullbright institutional leaders.

0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:25.280
<v Speaker 2>All right, here we go.

0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.760
<v Speaker 1>The US Department of States Bureau of Educational and Cultural

0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Affairs has recognized nineteen historically black colleges and universities. That's

0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:38.480
<v Speaker 1>what HBCU stands for as fulbright historically black college and

0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:43.600
<v Speaker 1>university institutional leaders. The recognition is based on the strong

0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.040
<v Speaker 1>partnerships between the Fulbright Program and the HBCUs between the

0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty and twenty twenty two academic years and the

0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:56.160
<v Speaker 1>nineteen HBCUs schools span across thirteen states. The Fullbright Program

0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.000
<v Speaker 1>is the premier student exchange program for the US government,

0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:05.000
<v Speaker 1>as an has teamed with a many distinguished diversity related groups,

0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.040
<v Speaker 1>colleges and universities. Quote this is an exceptional note of

0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:14.880
<v Speaker 1>distinction unquote. This comes by a Tuskegee president, Charlotte P. Morris,

0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:18.160
<v Speaker 1>who goes on to say, we have always known the

0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.840
<v Speaker 1>caliber of students and faculty whose vigorous academic work influences

0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:25.440
<v Speaker 1>our society in a variety of areas. This acknowledgement will

0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.240
<v Speaker 1>help our students and the broader communities see the enormous

0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:33.359
<v Speaker 1>value our university brains. So big shout out to all

0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:39.560
<v Speaker 1>nineteen of the HBCUs. That obviously is abny excellence. And

0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Maggie B. Noan was not going to let us get

0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.160
<v Speaker 1>this week off she do. She wasn't gonna let us

0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:48.360
<v Speaker 1>get this week off without mentioning that. And so we

0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.840
<v Speaker 1>dedicated the whole Abny excellence to it, because you know

0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that's what we're here to do. So again, shout out

0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:58.400
<v Speaker 1>to all those schools for blazing the trail for future

0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Avenue excellence. Now I have to assume that you've been

0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.320
<v Speaker 1>under a rock, you know, So I'm gonna paint a

0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:11.760
<v Speaker 1>picture for you and read a little bit of a story.

0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:17.080
<v Speaker 1>This comes via Yahoo newsh Tucker Carlson goes on racist

0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:24.360
<v Speaker 1>rant to celebrate migrants and their relocation to Martha's Vineyard,

0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.120
<v Speaker 1>So the story goes, Tucker Carlson went on a race

0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.320
<v Speaker 1>rant while celebrating what he called the quote happy story

0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:37.280
<v Speaker 1>of Florida Governor Ronda Santis sending two immigrant field plains

0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.440
<v Speaker 1>to Martha's Vineyard this week. As the sun was rising

0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.479
<v Speaker 1>in Washington, d C. On Thursday morning, two buses carying

0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:47.520
<v Speaker 1>about one hundred migrants from Del Rio, Texas, arrived outside

0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Vice President Kamala Harris's residence at the Naval Observatory in

0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:55.119
<v Speaker 1>the city's northwest quadrant. It was the latest political stunt

0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:59.440
<v Speaker 1>by Republicans to protest President Joe Biden's immigration policies by

0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.080
<v Speaker 1>sending way of migrants to far flung US locations. Chosen

0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:07.920
<v Speaker 1>to maximize political impact and conservatively only twenty four hours earlier,

0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Florida Governor Rondez Santis sent two private planes with about

0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:15.120
<v Speaker 1>fifty migrants from Venezuela and Colombia to Martha's Vineyards Airport

0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.160
<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday afternoon, with no warning to local officials.

0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:36.359
<v Speaker 2>So that's the story you want to go first. I

0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:42.520
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about these things being criminal, but I'd

0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.800
<v Speaker 2>rather just talk about them being inhumane and cruel and

0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:55.800
<v Speaker 2>just mean, like once upon a time, and I don't

0:05:55.839 --> 0:06:00.640
<v Speaker 2>have to go. You know, back prior to us being.

0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:08.240
<v Speaker 4>Born, when I was in college, September eleventh, two thousand

0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:14.640
<v Speaker 4>and one, I was in the bookstore at Bowling Green

0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.680
<v Speaker 4>State University with some of my teammates picking up our books,

0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.640
<v Speaker 4>and all of a sudden, all of the TVs tuned

0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:29.640
<v Speaker 4>to what was going on at the Towers in New York,

0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.360
<v Speaker 4>and all of us, no matter who we voted for,

0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.320
<v Speaker 4>no matter what our political stance, no matter what our

0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:45.480
<v Speaker 4>socioeconomic background, no matter our race, religion, creed, sexual orientation, gender,

0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.919
<v Speaker 4>no matter any of that stuff, we all not only

0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:53.679
<v Speaker 4>stood in awe, but in very very short orders, stood

0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:59.080
<v Speaker 4>in solidarity. No matter who we thought failed leading.

0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Up to that, No matter the number of conspiracy theories

0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.240
<v Speaker 2>that were produced after that, no matter what our actual

0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.040
<v Speaker 2>stance on how it happened, what happened and all of

0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:14.360
<v Speaker 2>that stuff, whether you supported Bill Clinton or George Bush

0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:20.760
<v Speaker 2>or Al Gore or whatever, in that moment, a lot

0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:32.440
<v Speaker 2>of people died and our country was under attack externally,

0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:42.840
<v Speaker 2>and maybe the only moment in my lifetime there were

0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.800
<v Speaker 2>not just some things that we could agree on, but

0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:50.160
<v Speaker 2>there was a monumental singularity in how our country responded

0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:58.680
<v Speaker 2>to what transpired on September eleventh. What we've witnessed in

0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:07.840
<v Speaker 2>the last five six years has in my lifetime been

0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the most damning, hartisan, divisive hate field. Politicians used to

0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:32.880
<v Speaker 2>attempt to get bipartisan support on things, because even though

0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:39.280
<v Speaker 2>our political ideals differ, there have always been certain things

0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:44.840
<v Speaker 2>that the country was united on, and we have very

0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:49.079
<v Speaker 2>very clearly reached a point where that is no longer true.

0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.840
<v Speaker 2>The realities are different. Even yeah, what we all consider

0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:58.680
<v Speaker 2>to be facts aren't even the same. And I've spoken

0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.640
<v Speaker 2>to you, you know, when the mics were not recording

0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:09.800
<v Speaker 2>about you know, do I raise my children here? If

0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:13.760
<v Speaker 2>you've not heard the show before, Ramses and I both

0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:21.080
<v Speaker 2>have mixed children, and being a minority in this country

0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.560
<v Speaker 2>has always been challenging, but currently being black and Hispanic,

0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Wow accommodation, you know what I mean? And that there

0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:38.120
<v Speaker 2>are not just people who are celebrating this but making

0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.520
<v Speaker 2>so light of it that they think it's funny to

0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:47.280
<v Speaker 2>do this to people. Based on whether or not you

0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:50.840
<v Speaker 2>feel like proper immigration policy is in place or not,

0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.040
<v Speaker 2>or proper steps were taken or not, you still shouldn't

0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:59.760
<v Speaker 2>wish harm and fear and these levels of discomfort and

0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:00.960
<v Speaker 2>can fusion on people.

0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I going to make sure that I add something here

0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.120
<v Speaker 1>from what I've read, All of the people that were

0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.599
<v Speaker 1>shipped away from Texas to end up in DC and

0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:17.320
<v Speaker 1>March's vineyard, they were all legally going through the legal channel.

0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Yes they were applying for asylum, Yes they were. So

0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.400
<v Speaker 1>these weren't even people that broke the rules, but go ahead.

0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean case in point, these were people that

0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.240
<v Speaker 2>were manipulated and taking advantage of sure and displaced in

0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:38.080
<v Speaker 2>a way that the most basic human morals right, the

0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.920
<v Speaker 2>golden rule, the dow onto others, like come on, man,

0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:46.760
<v Speaker 2>could you imagine these same people getting off of a

0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.800
<v Speaker 2>plane that they thought was headed towards I guess in

0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:55.560
<v Speaker 2>their case of vacation, right, like maybe maybe going on

0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.600
<v Speaker 2>vacation while the people in the people in your constituency

0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:00.760
<v Speaker 2>freeze to death because they don't have any power. So

0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.640
<v Speaker 2>you and your family go on vacation and leave the

0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.920
<v Speaker 2>people that voted for you defend for themselves. But when

0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.920
<v Speaker 2>you got off of that plane, it was not to

0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.880
<v Speaker 2>the destination you thought you were going to, but to

0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.000
<v Speaker 2>a country where you did not know the law, the rules,

0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.560
<v Speaker 2>or speak the language and had no help. There was

0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.560
<v Speaker 2>no one there to greet you or support you. You

0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.480
<v Speaker 2>were just now stranded in some foreign place with no connections,

0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.040
<v Speaker 2>with no relationships, with no help.

0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:31.480
<v Speaker 1>So let me jump in here too. So to your point,

0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:36.880
<v Speaker 1>these people were put on buses, planes and then buses. Right,

0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:44.240
<v Speaker 1>they were given these like comical silly maps of where

0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.280
<v Speaker 1>they were to where they were going, right, they were

0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.240
<v Speaker 1>told that they were going to go to Boston or

0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.600
<v Speaker 1>wherever their jobs would be waiting for them.

0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:53.719
<v Speaker 2>You know these things.

0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.480
<v Speaker 1>And the crazy part about it is, you know some

0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.920
<v Speaker 1>of these people had to check in at different offices

0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.640
<v Speaker 1>around the country. This is how, in very short order

0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to write so in like two days or Monday morning,

0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.000
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to check in and you know, Washington

0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.280
<v Speaker 1>State or and you know, uh, you know, one of

0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the Carolinas or some destination that you couldn't get to

0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.400
<v Speaker 1>in that amount of time, right, especially coming to a

0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.200
<v Speaker 1>country where you don't have anything, you don't have a

0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.200
<v Speaker 1>place to stay yet, you know, so it was it

0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.160
<v Speaker 1>was cruelty the highest order to the people.

0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.000
<v Speaker 2>But we knew that.

0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about for a moment, this Republican stunt, for

0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.720
<v Speaker 1>what purposes they intended to accomplish.

0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, And.

0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, I Charlemagne said something Charlemagne had got He

0:12:53.440 --> 0:13:00.679
<v Speaker 1>said he called it a brilliant move, which that language

0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:05.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel like the type of language I would use,

0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.840
<v Speaker 1>but I know what he means. He's saying it's brilliant

0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.040
<v Speaker 1>in the way that Hitler was brilliant, you know what

0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean. He was a smart dude, He accomplished a lot.

0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:20.320
<v Speaker 1>He was just evil, right, And this is something that

0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:29.920
<v Speaker 1>is very difficult to divorce from the especially this new GOP.

0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.520
<v Speaker 1>These are not people who are uninformed, These are not

0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.400
<v Speaker 1>people who are not smart, and these are not people

0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.040
<v Speaker 1>who do not know how to play the game. You know,

0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.720
<v Speaker 1>the master of it all was the former president. You know,

0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.720
<v Speaker 1>that's not He's not as smart as he plays himself

0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.440
<v Speaker 1>out to be, but he's not as stupid as we

0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:48.120
<v Speaker 1>think he is.

0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, and.

0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.800
<v Speaker 1>To get all of this attention on this issue is

0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:06.480
<v Speaker 1>exactly what they were going for. But I would posit

0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:16.040
<v Speaker 1>that immigration is not nearly as big of an issue

0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:17.800
<v Speaker 1>as they make it out to be. That's not to

0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.520
<v Speaker 1>say that it's not a big issue. It's not to

0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.080
<v Speaker 1>say that we need to figure out answers, but they

0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.720
<v Speaker 1>make it into this huge boogeyman. Now, bear in mind

0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.120
<v Speaker 1>there's a midterm election coming up. Bear in mind that

0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.840
<v Speaker 1>they lost a lot of momentum when Roebi Wade was overturned.

0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Bear in mind Biden is making a lot of covering

0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of you know grounds with his student loan

0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.600
<v Speaker 1>forgiveness and this sort of stuff. And so for them

0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.160
<v Speaker 1>to pull this political stunt at the cost of these

0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:48.600
<v Speaker 1>actual human beings, because they're trying to be strategic and

0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.320
<v Speaker 1>get back some points headed into the midterms, they're playing

0:14:52.800 --> 0:15:02.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, the greatest hits, the rural, southern, poor white

0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:07.040
<v Speaker 1>conservative person's greatest hits. You know, they're talking jobs, immigration,

0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:07.800
<v Speaker 1>this sort of stuff.

0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:13.800
<v Speaker 2>They don't take our guns, don't take our jobs, whole life, right, immigration,

0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:19.080
<v Speaker 2>protect our borders stuff they don't actually care about. Sure,

0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:25.880
<v Speaker 2>but that they know, well, these folks had a president

0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.600
<v Speaker 2>who campaigned on building a wall. These folks have the

0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.600
<v Speaker 2>ability to donate to this man building a wall. These folks,

0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, they had four years to build a wall.

0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, the right company could have knocked it up

0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.680
<v Speaker 2>in six months. It's a wall, you know what I mean?

0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:48.840
<v Speaker 2>And I think that they use that. They probably don't

0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.840
<v Speaker 2>even want a wall, They just use it because it

0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:55.760
<v Speaker 2>allows them another boogieman. I mean that they can use it, right,

0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:04.120
<v Speaker 2>And the most hurtful thing about it is that there

0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.920
<v Speaker 2>is a base that needs this to be true because

0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.400
<v Speaker 2>their whole, the framework of the world is built around

0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.400
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. You know what I mean? Now, you and

0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I we live in a border state. We live in Arizona. Right.

0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Is there crime in Arizona? Sure? You know? Is there?

0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Does there need to be you know, uh, immigration reform?

0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Who's to say? I would I would say perhaps, right?

0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:42.400
<v Speaker 1>But does immigration does the lack of whatever immigration laws

0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that these folks want, does that mean that our reality

0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:45.760
<v Speaker 1>is like hell on Earth?

0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Every day. Absolutely not. You know, our kids go to school.

0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:54.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're for the most part safe. It's not

0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:59.840
<v Speaker 2>like we're living in a war zone. And the way

0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:06.040
<v Speaker 2>that they play this up, it feels like they're scaring

0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.240
<v Speaker 2>people with something that's not really true. You know, again,

0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:13.000
<v Speaker 2>these are asylum seekers. You know, they come here looking

0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:15.000
<v Speaker 2>for work, They promise work, They get on the plane

0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.600
<v Speaker 2>and they go looking for the work. Right And one thing, well,

0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:20.320
<v Speaker 2>what I got you. One thing I do want to

0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:28.000
<v Speaker 2>say is imagine how this looks for the folks in

0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Martha's Vineyard, the people who, Okay, so there's now fifty

0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:37.520
<v Speaker 2>families here that we are there now in our community.

0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:42.480
<v Speaker 2>They came here under false pretenses and they were looking

0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:47.359
<v Speaker 2>for work. They were looking for something. So now all

0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.960
<v Speaker 2>these folks get to be the heroes. They get to say,

0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.560
<v Speaker 2>well listen, all right, well shoot, come on, let's help

0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.080
<v Speaker 2>you out. And that's what they did.

0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.280
<v Speaker 1>They sent them to Martha's Vineyard because the Obamas have

0:17:58.320 --> 0:17:59.960
<v Speaker 1>a house that they sent them to DC because, as

0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.639
<v Speaker 1>mentioned Kamala Harris's houses in d C.

0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:05.119
<v Speaker 2>They're being strategic with this.

0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:08.080
<v Speaker 4>And.

0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I as much as I would like to think that

0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:17.000
<v Speaker 1>it backfired because you know, the folks that live in

0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Martha's vineyard, the folks that that were on the ground

0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:25.760
<v Speaker 1>really responded to these families for the right, for their

0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.879
<v Speaker 1>news outlets, for their you know, pundits, for their talking points,

0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:35.560
<v Speaker 1>on and on and on. They're being celebrated like, yeah,

0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:37.040
<v Speaker 1>that's how you show it that own.

0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.560
<v Speaker 2>The Libs they get the point and say ha.

0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Ha, right, And so again they're not doing it to

0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:49.320
<v Speaker 1>get more the votes away from the Democratic liberal voter.

0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're they're not trying to get votes away.

0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:57.000
<v Speaker 1>They're trying to fire up their base. And so to

0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte's point, again, I wouldn't have described it as brilliant,

0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, but I kind of see the point that

0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:07.960
<v Speaker 1>he's making, and it's it's very sad because again there's

0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.600
<v Speaker 1>a there's a human cost here. From what I understand,

0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Republicans have been absolutely unwilling to work with anything that

0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.879
<v Speaker 1>the Democrats put forward. You know, this is this is

0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:30.359
<v Speaker 1>something that was said by Mitch McConnell says, my priority

0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:36.240
<v Speaker 1>in the Senate is to oppose every piece of legislation

0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:43.240
<v Speaker 1>from this administration. A that's effectually what he said. I

0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:47.800
<v Speaker 1>read it recently. Again, his sole purpose when he walks

0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:49.800
<v Speaker 1>into the Senate. My job is to stop them from

0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:54.120
<v Speaker 1>doing anything that they want to do. Right, he will

0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:55.840
<v Speaker 1>find fault with it. He won't be you know, it

0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:57.960
<v Speaker 1>could be like, Okay, this gets us ninety percent of

0:19:57.960 --> 0:19:59.680
<v Speaker 1>what we want, but if it gets them ten percent

0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:00.320
<v Speaker 1>of what the they want?

0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Any answers, No, it's just you know what I'm trying

0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to say.

0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.720
<v Speaker 1>So for them to then say, well, you know, immigration

0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:10.680
<v Speaker 1>is a completely leftist it's Biden's policy.

0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:12.880
<v Speaker 2>But and then most of the people don't even make

0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:17.760
<v Speaker 2>the connections. It's so it's it's theater. The thing is.

0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately a good amount of people, it's their reality, you know, and.

0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Or at least they've convinced themselves of it. Sure, Sure,

0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:32.560
<v Speaker 2>it's not. Actually our immigration policies have zero effect on

0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.000
<v Speaker 2>their daily lives. Wow, that's what I'm trying to say,

0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Like zero, zero, not.

0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:42.040
<v Speaker 4>Kind of, not a little bit none, And that they

0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.640
<v Speaker 4>get so riled up about something that absolutely has zero

0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:46.720
<v Speaker 4>effect on their lives.

0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.679
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of the story of that party. Oh, that

0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.960
<v Speaker 2>all of the things that they oppose the most have

0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:59.480
<v Speaker 2>no effect on them personally. Sure sure, and their constituents. Unfortunately,

0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.600
<v Speaker 2>that that vote for them. And that's the sad part.

0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:07.800
<v Speaker 2>They've shown that there are millions of people that support

0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:11.520
<v Speaker 2>their ideology and that support them. They turn out and

0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.920
<v Speaker 2>they vote, and they're against their own best.

0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:19.879
<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, but there's something here. Okay, So this is

0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 1>something that we've said a lot. They vote against their

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:23.600
<v Speaker 1>own interests, and you know what, to be honest, they

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:25.480
<v Speaker 1>think that we vote against our own interest you know,

0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.760
<v Speaker 1>black folks in particular. Right, So let's say they're just

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.000
<v Speaker 1>voting with their values and we're voting with our values,

0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.040
<v Speaker 1>which is fair. Hey, Look, I believe in hard work.

0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I believe if a guy makes a billion dollars, he

0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:37.840
<v Speaker 1>should be able to keep it, you know, blah blah blah,

0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I believe in guns.

0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:42.440
<v Speaker 2>The forefathers set it up this way.

0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:43.639
<v Speaker 1>So this is how I want it, you know what

0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:47.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean that that could be a belief system whatever, right.

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Conveniently, but it could be.

0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:51.680
<v Speaker 1>And if we're not, if we're going to allow each

0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.960
<v Speaker 1>individual to live their reality, if we were to allow

0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 1>them that, then that would be fair. The problem that

0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I have with that way of thinking and with things

0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that end up manifesting like what we're seeing in this story.

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Is that.

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:23.480
<v Speaker 2>People stoop two levels that by any definition would constitute

0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.880
<v Speaker 2>cruel coolness, cruelty.

0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Ah, It's like the human component of human element is

0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:37.240
<v Speaker 1>not there.

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's there's this because you're not though wh

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.840
<v Speaker 2>if you're a lib or, you're a Democrat, you're not

0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:47.240
<v Speaker 2>a human. And they dismissed the idea that we ask

0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.879
<v Speaker 2>human beings have anything in common. That's why that was

0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:53.280
<v Speaker 2>my whole point. We no longer have anything in common

0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:57.520
<v Speaker 2>to them. Well, we have to, this is my thinking.

0:22:57.560 --> 0:22:59.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, me, I'm always going to be this person,

0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:02.120
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like we have to care about each other.

0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, except they don't. This is the problem collectively. They

0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know this is the problem.

0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.560
<v Speaker 1>And so like if again, if it's a matter of

0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:18.439
<v Speaker 1>a difference of Hey, my beliefs are my values you know,

0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 1>reflect this, and your values reflect that. I believe that

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:30.000
<v Speaker 1>human values should move us to care for each other. Right,

0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.640
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we've made a lot about conservativism on

0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 1>this show that a lot of it really looks like

0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:46.600
<v Speaker 1>the perpetuating of white supremacist institutions and ideas and disenfranchisement

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.160
<v Speaker 1>of black people in the black vote by a gerrymandering

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.960
<v Speaker 1>and by a racist policies and so forth and so

0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>on that disproportionately harm black communities. They might harm all communities,

0:23:55.960 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 1>but they disproportionately affect us and oftentimes disproportionately benefit folks

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that are white. And there's this kind of veil over

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:10.000
<v Speaker 1>it that makes it seem American, you know, when the

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>truth is it's it's really white, and this is right

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:17.600
<v Speaker 1>and masterful the way they do it. The thing is

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.320
<v Speaker 1>some of us can see right through it.

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:20.640
<v Speaker 2>The problem is.

0:24:20.720 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 1>That now we're talking about them using other human beings

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 1>for this dog and pony show that's not based in

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:35.800
<v Speaker 1>a reality as you mentioned, that really affects people in

0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:38.160
<v Speaker 1>that way. You know, they make a big deal out

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:41.159
<v Speaker 1>of welfare, they make it, make a big deal all

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:46.240
<v Speaker 1>these sort of social policies. But the fact is, as

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:48.600
<v Speaker 1>soon as there's a pandemic, guess where we got.

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 2>We got money for days. Soon as there's a war,

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:51.440
<v Speaker 2>we got money for days. You know what I'm saying.

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 2>When it comes to helping people, you have money for

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:54.480
<v Speaker 2>everyone else.

0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:56.959
<v Speaker 1>And when it comes to billions that we send to Ukraine,

0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 1>exactly my point, but we send nothing to Flint or Mississippi,