WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Halloween Hangover 2024 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:06.560 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.120 Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind listener Mail. 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:15.520 My name is Robert. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.680 Lamb and I am Joe McCormick, and hey. It is 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:22.800 one of our classic end of Halloween season listener mail episodes. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:24.440 We always kind of have to do some clean up 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:25.800 after October. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.440 Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm going to stop you right there, Joe. 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:33.559 October still going. Today is October thirty sixth Halloween is 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.440 still going strong. I refuse to hear any differently from 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.240 anyone out there keeping the Halloween train going. 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.120 Our mailbot Carney, of course, was tpeed by some neighborhood 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.320 kids on Halloween night and now and then got rained on. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.760 So it's kind of a mess in here, but Carney's 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.840 getting cleaned up. And yeah, the Halloween messages keep rolling in, 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.320 so we'll feature some today and probably some more later 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:57.840 this month. 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:00.680 Yeah. Absolutely, So if you're listening to you're like, oh, yeah, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.680 I meant to write in about that Halloween episode, but 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.399 now it's too late. It is not too late, keep them. 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:09.200 We will read Halloween listener mail episodes in December if 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.400 need be, so don't worry about that at all. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.760 All right, Rob, do you mind if I kick things 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.680 off with this message from Matt about the Hogs of Hell. 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:19.560 Yeah, let's have it, okay. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.199 Of course, Hogs of Hell was a series we did 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.320 about monster pigs that we got into some benevolent divine 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.520 pigs as well. But in the first episode of that 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.400 series we talked mostly about demonic pigs and pig monsters 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.320 from mythology and from horror movies. And then in the 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.720 second episode we talked about the Intela Daunts, which have 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.960 been in the popular press referred to as hell pigs. 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.759 These are mammals that first appeared in the Eocene Epic 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:49.440 and flourished in the subsequent epics, died out in the Miocene. 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.720 They're not actually pigs. We discovered in the end that 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.559 they're more closely related to whales and hippopotamuses, maybe making 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:58.120 them even more strange. But they have a lot of 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.760 pig like features. And in fact, over the weekend I 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.000 got to go to one of America's great museums. I 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:09.400 was at the Field Museum in Chicago, and I came 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:15.320 across an antilidant skull. The skull was massive, amazing, awe inspiring. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.520 It had cheek flanges going out to you. You can't 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.480 imagine until you see it how far these cheekbones pop out. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.440 I was thinking of them like outriggers on a canoe. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.640 Yeah, it's quite an impressive specimen, and indeed, to your point, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.400 such an amazing museum, one of the best. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.240 Anyway. This first message is for Matt and it is 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:44.840 about hell hogs, subject line the Mucklocks. Good day, Rob 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:48.919 and Joe. Overjoyed to see you chatting about demon hoggs. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:50.959 There's a case I wanted to share with you, which 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:54.000 I think is right up this particular street. The case 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:59.680 pertains to the Mucklocks in County Roscommon, Ireland. The Mucklocks 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:04.760 are earth in formations in an area called Rathkron. Specifically, 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.520 they are linear earthworks said to have been gouged from 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:12.359 the earth by a magical wild bore from the other 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:16.560 world muk being Gaelic for pig. The bore is said 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.760 to have leapt from the depths of Owenegat, also called 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.040 the Gate of Hell, and the Cave of the Cats, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.120 which is fairly close by the Cave is one of 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:31.560 those wonderfully spooky but inconspicuous entrances to the fairy other world, 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.760 and itself said to be the physical home of the 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:39.040 Morrigan and one of, if not the most important places 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:42.360 pertaining to the origins of Sawen. I got to climb 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:44.960 into the cave with a local archaeologist a couple of 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.640 years back. It was pretty metal. For context, both of 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.960 these landscape features are set within a wider area, featuring 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.520 some two hundred and forty archaeological monuments in a six 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.760 kilometer square area. It is wild. I've attached a drone 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.200 in provided to me by the aforementioned archaeologist, so that 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.560 you can see what I mean. I will also attach 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.520 a photo from inside the cave, although you can't see much. Finally, 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.680 I wrote an article on the place and some of 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:16.320 the conservation efforts ongoing with local farmers and then folks. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.280 If you want to look up Matt's article about this, 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.480 it is from April of this year and the article 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.800 is called how to Sustainably Farm on Ancient Monuments and 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.279 so the Matt's article is about the competing concerns of 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.400 the preservation of archaeological sites, many of which are just 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.159 earth and mounds. So it's not like Great Stoneworks, but 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.040 like the mound, the pile up of the earth is 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:41.400 the site, and then the grazing needs of local cattle 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:42.400 and sheep farmers. 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:43.520 Rob. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.640 I've put the images that Matt attach with the email 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.600 and the outline for you to look at. Here the 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:51.240 mouth of the cave, well, actually I'm seeing two different things. 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.080 I think One is the mouth of the cave as 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.320 seen from the outside. There's daylight pouring in. It looks 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.040 a little bit spooky. But then there's this other thing 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.040 I believe a little bit are there down the cave 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.799 mouth that is just like the esophagus of a great 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:05.720 stone beast. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:10.359 Yeah. Yeah, I would say that the outside image with 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.280 the greenery list looks like a still from the game Missed, 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.719 whereas the interior cavern image looks like something from Silent 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.120 Hill too. Totally good. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.240 Matt finishes by saying, aside, this whole area is an 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:30.520 absolute treasure trove of stories both archaeological and folklorical, might 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.600 be worth exploring further. Thanks again for your time and 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.760 the show, Matt. Oh and then Matt also includes a 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.680 ps correcting something he said in an email a while 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.640 back that apparently we didn't catch. He says that he 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:48.359 wrote a note pertaining to clay and clay infrastructure. I 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.520 wonder if this was in the series we did on 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.760 mud where we ended up talking about mud brick construction. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.599 That sounds right to me. But anyway, Matt goes on 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:02.520 to say, quote specifically old drainage tile in crop fields. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.280 In this email, I mentioned that the old tiles were 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.479 fit together in just such a way that water could 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.919 get through to drain I don't know why I said that, 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.880 because it's wrong. The water enters the tiles through the 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:18.200 porous surface of the constructed clay material. Okay, so good job, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.880 good job catching yourself on that mat. But also thank 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.120 you for the email. And yeah, this is really interesting. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.640 I knew nothing about one got to the Gate to 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.640 Hell or the Cave of Cats, So I'm gonna have 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.520 to look that up, learn more about it, and maybe 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:32.599 it will come back on the show. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:38.039 Yeah. Yeah, And this is exactly the sort of local 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.440 detail and personal experience or expertise that we love to 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.080 see in a listener mail. So this is great. Thanks 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.600 for sending all this all right, This next one comes 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.680 to us from Lindsey. The title the email is hell 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:54.919 Hogs and Avelina's for Halloween. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:57.880 Oh, that's right, And this sort of has to do 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.040 with At the end of the series, we were talking 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.760 a bit about the difference between wild pigs and pekearees. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.760 They're very similar pecrees or different families of mammals, but 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.039 they look very pig like. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:13.800 Yeah, all right, and I'm reading this. There's almost a 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.720 cowboy song cadence to this particular email, but I'm not 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.400 going to try and sing it as a cowboy song. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:27.320 But okay, at any rate, Robert and Joe. Out here 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:30.520 in far West Texas, we have havelinas and in wetter 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:34.920 zones with more coverage, feral hogs. Faral hogs are far 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.280 more destructive and could be a potential threat. Have Alinas 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.600 are about knee high and are far more curious than aggressive, 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.880 while the haveolinas are permanent residents. We tend to see 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.160 them moving up and down our hill in the spring 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.440 and fall. It lacks precision, but we often talk about 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.440 change of seasons when they come through. What they have 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.440 taken to is coming down the hill, walking halfway around 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.120 the house on a wood porch, then jumping down four 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.520 feet off the end, and where they continue down the hill. 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.040 For some reason, they like doing it very early in 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.200 the morning. I refer to it as the devil's hoof 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:12.160 beats going to see the neighbors. Not that we're so angelic, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.560 We're just dull, just part of life out here, like 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.600 the midsummer mule deer bucks that sleep under the front 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.000 porch in the middle of the day. Happy bat Week, y'all, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.040 Lindsey and I had to look this up. Yes, that 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.480 week is indeed October twenty fourth through the thirty first. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.080 I don't think we've ever celebrated on the show before. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.520 Maybe we should do that next year. We're ginerally just 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.040 distracted with all the Halloween shenan against. But if you 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.560 want to learn more about bat Week, go to batweek 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:40.199 dot org. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.640 Now, I actually did want to bring up something I 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.880 remember about Halina's from when I was in West Texas. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.800 There was a one time my wife and I went 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.920 to visit some family who were working in Big beIN 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.760 National Park in West Texas and Big Ben by the way, 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:56.320 if you ever get a chance to go there, it 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:00.280 is a beautiful area of the Chisos Mountains and the 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.200 desert there. I did not realize that I was a 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.280 fan of the desert until I went to Big Bend, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:09.280 and it's a really amazing place. But there are havelinas 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.319 out there. There are these wild pig like animals. And 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.160 if you think that they are not as threatening or 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.720 as metal as wild pigs, maybe they're not, I don't know, 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:23.000 as aggressive. Maybe they're more curious and cue. But they 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.959 do eat the scariest looking cactuses you have ever seen. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.680 So like, you'll look at a cactus and not only 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.160 do you not want to touch it, you don't want 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.080 to get within ten feet of it. The spines are 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.760 just unreal and the and as so like prickly pears 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.840 and cactus, these little pig like animals will just walk 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:42.640 right up to them and just chomp them up. It 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.040 goes straight into the mouth. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.319 Yeah. Yeah, it's quite impressive. And you know, I don't know, 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:48.599 you look at one and they kind of look like 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.280 they're half cactus anyways, So yeah, I guess it all 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:51.839 makes sense. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:54.080 I don't even know how that works. Maybe we'll have 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.120 to research this one day, but I feel like I 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.800 could no more like eat a box of nails than 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:00.880 eat one of these things. And they just chew them 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:01.319 right up. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.760 Yeah, yeah, that would be interesting to do. With their 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.560 various robust digestive systems of the natural world that we 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.000 could consider for sure. But anyway, Lindsey, thanks for riding 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.439 in from the desert. This is great all right. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:16.360 Still on the subject of hogs from Hell, this message 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:24.840 is from Jeff. Jeff says, greetings, Rob and Joe. I 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.960 can't think about pigs in film without thinking of Haiau Miyazaki. 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.320 For some reason, Miyazaki often draws himself as a pig, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.920 and the inclusion of pigs in so many of his 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:41.040 movies seems to be his version of Hitchcock's cameos. Of course, 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.120 there is Porco Rosso and Rob. I haven't actually seen 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:45.000 that one, have you? 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.600 Yeah, yeah, Porko Rosso. I remember it as being good. 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.520 It's not one of my favorite Miyazaki films, but like, 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.720 it's not like any of them are bad or anything. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.680 It's got a lot of you know, old timey fighter 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.160 planes in it and all, and have memory serves. Michael 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:03.920 Keaton voices pork Rosso in the dubbed version. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.959 Yeah, but it's like an anthropomorphic pig who is a 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.160 pilot of a sort of World War One style fighter biplane. 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:12.400 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.959 Okay, So there is pork Rosso, But then Jeff goes 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.280 on to say, but on the Halloween frequency, there is Nago, 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:25.000 the infected bore god from Princess Mononoke, and the trauma 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:29.080 inducing scene from Spirited Away in which Chihiro's parents turn 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:30.080 into hogs. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.840 Yeah, keep that one on your mind, because we're going 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.240 to be talking about Spirited Away this Friday on Weird 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.559 House Cinema. So today October the thirty sixth, if you 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.160 need something a little light but also a little scary 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.400 in places to distract you from whatever's going on in 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.079 your life of the world, fire up a copy of 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.760 Spirited Away. So it's a tremendous film. 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.840 Jeff goes on to say. Another image that jumps to 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:59.200 mind is the insanely creepy pig meme gif sampled from 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:03.200 the nineteen oherent In film like Cochon danser Rob. I 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:05.600 had to pull this up because I wasn't sure exactly 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.400 what it was referring to. But when I found it, 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.120 I was like, oh, yeah, this thing. I've seen this 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.200 on the internet. So it is a common gift used 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:17.120 to I don't know, just triggered like intense revulsion and fear. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:21.680 It is of a man in a very well animated 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.480 pig mask in a black and white film with scary teeth, 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.640 you know, the long pig nose, snout, and it's so 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:31.920 it's like a person in a costume, but it's also 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.400 a very articulated piece of puppetry on the skull of 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.760 the costume. The mouth opens and closes, the tongue wags 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:43.079 and lashes out, and I was like, what is this from? Well, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.000 I looked up like coshan danceer. So it is a 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.160 nineteen oh seven film that's like four or five minutes 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:54.720 long that is capturing something that was a popular stage performance. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:59.280 I think a vaudeville performance in which a person in 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:04.280 a large pig costume with this puppet head pesters a 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.360 woman who first is trying to she's trying to have 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.960 a picnic. I think, like she's eating some food and 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.760 the pig guy in a suit is he's in a tuxedo. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:14.680 He's like, hey, give me some of that food, and 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.200 he keeps trying to get the food from her, and 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.840 she's like, no, leave me alone. And then eventually she 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.360 rips the the pig man's clothes off and then the 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.840 pig looks humiliated and embarrassed, and then the pig man 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.640 and the woman suddenly all is well, and then they 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.600 just do a dance number that goes on for most 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:31.720 of the runtime of the film. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.400 Yeah, yeah, this is this is one that I've seen 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:40.640 clips off before. It's quite it's it's it's amazing from 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.120 a you know, a technical standpoint. I remember showing this 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.800 to a friend of mine who is a puppeteer and 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.920 a fabricator, and yeah, he was really impressed with it. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.440 He was like, yeah, they really did this upright. There's 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.160 also a colorized version of it out there that somehow 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.520 is even creepier because I think one of the things 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.200 about it is that, you know, it's this old footage 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:07.959 of a very you know, very convincing and you know, technically, 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:14.079 you know, well crafted and performed puppet slash suit effect. 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.680 And there's something about it being an old picture that 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.600 makes it feel like you're not watching a costume, but 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:23.720 you're watching some sort of actual beast, you know. So, yeah, 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:25.040 it's a lot of fun. If you haven't seen it. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.720 There's an idea in my head that's not fully formed. 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.640 This may not come out right, but I'm thinking about 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:35.360 what are the qualities where an image from say one 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:41.120 hundred years ago, codes as creepy in terms of modern 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.160 sensibilities in a way that most creepy images from the 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.000 time do not. I'm thinking of this pig. I'm also 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.680 thinking of the famous image from the early film The 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.040 Man Who Laughs, which looks very much like a you know, 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:58.920 twenty first century joker. Like, what is it about. Occasionally 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.400 you get these little things or it doesn't look one 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.280 hundred years old, it looks like something that was supposed 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:05.840 to be creepy from last year. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.320 Yeah. Yeah, We've touched on this a little bit on 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:11.320 weird House Cinema, talking at times about like pre code 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:16.080 horror films. You know how you know, there's often stuff 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.880 in those those pictures, sites and sounds or themes that 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.960 it hit a lot harder than you might expect when 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.400 you go back into say the nineteen thirties and look 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.320 at films, and you know, part of that is just like, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.600 even if you know better, even if you know about, 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.440 like you know, the pre code cinema and some of 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.360 the things that they some of the elements that they 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:38.160 had him play there, there's something in your mind that 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.840 kind of just assumes that going backward through cinematic history. 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.360 From now, things are going to get tamer and more 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.200 innocent or something. I don't know, Like none of it 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:51.560 makes logical sense, but I still will sometimes surprise myself 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.400 when I pull something up from an old picture and 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.320 I'm like, oh, wow, that does hit really hard. I 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.880 guess it's probably some sort of modernity bias or I 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.760 don't know, but maybe there's kind of like a you know, 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.560 a line graph that peaks in the in the nineteen 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:09.560 eighties or something. In terms of my mind, you know, 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:13.880 where if anything is actually you know, effective before or 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.040 after that period by a significant number of decades, then 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:18.880 I'm amazed by it. 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:21.960 Yeah, I don't know if I think of it as effective. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.280 But there are certain things that again to hit this list, 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.000 So that the scary pig face from Lacushon dan Sewer, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.800 the image we see of the like the full costume 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.880 with the dark glasses from Mad Love, the laughing face 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.440 from the film The Man Who Laughs. You know, they 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.080 just don't look like images from the nineteen aughts to 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.680 the nineteen thirties. To me, they look like something conceived 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.280 more recently. And I don't know why that is, but 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:51.000 the yeah, the interesting thing to look into. Yeah, Jeff says, finally, 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.480 as a result of the closing song on the Pixies 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.560 album Bossa Nova, I always associate Havelina's with a mellow 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.960 sunset over the warm red rocks of Arizona, with Kim 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.639 Deal's angelic voice echoing in the breeze. And then Jeff 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.359 includes a link to the song have Alena by the Pixies, 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.800 which most of the lyrics are just saying the word 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.159 Havelena a million times, but it does say walking in 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.639 the breeze on the planes of Old Sagona, Arizona, among 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:21.560 the trees, so maybe it was inspired by watching Havelena's 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:25.240 root around. But then, finally, Jeff says, I have a 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.639 hard time thinking of them as savage, demonic beasts, but 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.960 then again, I've never had a family of them tear 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:37.720 up my garden. Hope this message wasn't too a booring Jeff, No, Jeff, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:38.919 not boring at all. Thank you. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.520 All right, This next one comes to us from Lee 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.879 Lee Wright. Sentence says, greetings, Rob, Joe, and JJ. Just 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.560 a quick hit today after listening to the latest episode 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.320 The idea of the fictional pigs or hogs of hell 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.919 discussion had me checking into the Shreder minions be By 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.200 and rock Steady, partially in order to check which was which, 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.000 but also to see if either showed up in the 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:12.399 TMNT live action films. That's teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles by 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.600 the way, for those of you not familiar with the abbreviation. 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.199 But yes, Bebop and rock Steady, I too always have 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.879 to look up to to remind myself which one is which. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:27.879 And Bebop is the pig or boor Man, the Boorman mutant. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.160 Rock Steady is the Rhino mutant. 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.679 And they make them punks. We've talked about this on 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.920 the show before. They're punks. Isn't that interesting? 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:36.240 Why? 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.439 Why are they punks? Like they are? They fans of 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:42.160 punk music and and they're off time from working for Shredder. 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.560 Oh yeah, yeah, you got to have a hobby. I mean, 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:51.520 so the email continues. Bbop is the anthropomorphic poresign character. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:55.000 Except for the inherent ineptitude of the character, he's kind 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.320 of horrific. I agreed, like these two are just total stooges. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.560 They're never really much of a threat and anything Ninja 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:03.720 Turtle related that I've ever seen, but they're a lot 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:05.840 of fun, like they're are like you may I can't 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:08.160 even remember in the Arcade game, you may fight these 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.880 guys on the first level. I don't recall pretty early on. 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.000 Though, Yeah, in the Arcade game, I think you fight 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.119 rock Steady first, the Rhino. When you're fighting in that 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.280 burning apartment building, you get to the end of it 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:21.240 and like a I don't know, some kind of pod 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.360 comes down and he pops out of it and you have. 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:24.760 To fight him. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:25.679 I don't remember when. 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:26.159 You fight Bebop. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:27.159 I guess the next level. 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.760 Yeah, but I mean there in reality, these would be 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.560 pretty horrific organisms to do battle with, so it seems 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.760 like they should rank higher than what Baxter Stockman though. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.840 The fly dude, you know, like a human fly hybrid, 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:45.040 while you know, obviously horrific and grotesque, we wouldn't be 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.240 able to pack as much punch punch as a rhino 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.439 human hybrid. But we see similar things in like Spider Man, 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:55.000 Like Rhino is always like seems to be considered a 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.919 lower tier villain in the Spider Man universe, but like 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.560 in reality, like dude, that was, I don't think he's 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.040 part rhino, but he has like some sort of a 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:05.880 suit that makes him part rhino. Like, that's pretty, that's 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.120 pretty intimidating. That would be quite a fight. 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.359 Maybe I misunderstand. I'm not super up on Spider Man Lord, 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:16.399 but I understand Rhino to be a brute force kind of. 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.440 He's like pure muscle and strength and usually thus being 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.639 exploited by one of the smarter villains. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:29.360 True. True. You know another pig related creature that comes 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.639 to mind. There's one of the minions in Guardians of 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:36.919 the Galaxy three, which is quite great. There is a 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:42.240 pig based mutant character or mutant robot cyborg underling that 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.800 they battle briefly. All right, so anyway, that's basically Lee's 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.600 entire email email. It ends with just a couple of 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.639 pictures of the creatures in question. 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:54.879 You know, I think I liked them more in the 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.520 cartoon I watched as a kid. Seeing them in the 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:01.760 in the realistic textured CGIs is really gross. I'm imagining 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:06.720 like feeling the hair on Bebop's belly. It's upsetting me. 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:10.920 Anyway, lady, thanks for writing in. Yeah, good stroll down 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:14.280 memory lane with the various pig newtons here. 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.120 Okay, more pig beings from Science Fiction. The next message 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.200 is from Jim, who says, hey, guys, loved your series 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.560 on hogs. I wanted to throw this in. On Star Trek, 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.880 there was the species known as the telewrites. Their facial 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.640 features were very pig like. They were one of the 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.919 founding species of the Federation. I guess, right up there 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:47.080 with the Vulcan. Huh. They tended to be argumentative and stubborn, 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.720