WEBVTT - Doc Rivers | Celtics Big 4, Lob City Clippers, 2008 Title ft. Paul Pierce | EP 51| KG Certified 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:06.640 H m. 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.480 Moments of generosities when you can actually rekindle and revisit 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.080 with great friends and have great conversation toasted that. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.640 M hm. Oh yeah, that's right, that's right, that's right, 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:33.680 that's right. 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.120 I think there's a lot of defining moment with us 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:40.920 as a group. I thought the two that that stand 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.280 out was the one was on the duck boat before 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.240 the year, when we were sitting on the duck boat 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:47.360 and I needed y'all to buy into me because y'all 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.520 didn't know me. Paul knew me, and uh I gave 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.400 you know, we went on. We got the duck boat, 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.920 which Kevin was like, what are we doing on a duck? 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.640 But what are we doing? A duck's a duck boat. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:01.680 And we got the dug boat to go on the 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.880 exact parade route that we're gonna go on if we wanted, 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.640 and I wanted them to envision it. Uh. But then 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:09.920 we started talking about what we had to do. Remember, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.480 the boat got quiet. It was just us. But and 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.720 I said, listen, y'all gotta sacrifice. Y'all gotta give up this. 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.360 Y'all gotta give up this. Y'all gotta trust me, You 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:22.039 gotta allow me to coach you, and it's gonna be hard, 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.319 and y'all all everyone you rate. That wasn't even a 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:28.240 hesitation like Kevin said, I'll give up all my shots. 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.319 I don't want any shots. And I was like, that's 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.880 not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that we got 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.640 a sacrifice. And then we talked about defense. And then 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.479 the other one was you know all the young guys, 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:48.000 the big big Baby. I'm telling you he was a nut. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.520 But I called big Baby and whoever else with the 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:53.640 young guys can't remember who. Leon Pold called him in 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.800 my room in room and I've done I've been researching 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.440 this in Botoo for a month at that point, and 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.280 I had all emery, had so many notes, and we 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.200 had all this yellow stuff written down. And I brought 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:10.680 Big Baby in, who was a food and uh that yeah, 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.680 and it was his rookie year and Leon pol and 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.760 I said, hey, tomorrow, y'all are going to present this word. 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.959 And I remember a big Baby would tell you. I 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:23.440 looked at him and said, hey, listen, this ain't no, 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.640 this ain't nofing. Joe. I said, I may cut you 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:30.720 guys if you don't do this ship right tomorrow. I 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.960 mean I put the fear of God. I'm not kidding. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:38.079 I gave them a stack. And I don't know why 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:41.120 I didn't check. That was stupid of me. Uh. They 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:47.880 they came that morning. That presentation was amazing. It was 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:48.480 the best guy. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.840 But there realizes Big Baby majored in drama in theater. 0:02:54.960 --> 0:03:00.280 But he presented it. He was sweating, he was teary eyed. Uh. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.680 And right when it finished and he said one, two, 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.080 three and two, he was over. It was bought in. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.760 And that was from Big Baby and Leon Poe. Am 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.360 missing somebody else. But it was awesome. And I thought 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.240 as far as us coming together, that was a huge, 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.280 especially being in Rome. For whatever reason that meant something. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.399 We might need to go back to Rome. Just three 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:21.760 of us. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:26.000 I'm all four with it. 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.200 Y'all know what it is is taking the truth. Man. 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:33.080 We got the great Doc Rivers. 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.280 They didn't say that when I coached him. But now 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:38.760 we're good. 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.600 It's always like that, right, How you. 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.160 Doing, man, I've been great, man, it's been it's been 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:50.040 really good, really relaxed, relaxed for real. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.800 I was just thinking that dog yelling on the sideline. 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:55.800 Marshal us he looked, he look cool. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.800 Great. You know, sometimes like I love I love coaching, 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.040 I'm up, but I do. But sometimes you need this 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:04.840 and that break. I probably needed it three or four 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.720 years before that. You just don't know it because you 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.320 love what you're doing, and then when it's forced on 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.000 you, you're sitting back. And it took me about the middle 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:16.000 of summer when I remember, I think it was money 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.120 Williams or Darvin Ham called me about something about training 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.240 camp and I actually should training camp and it was 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.480 like a week away. I hadn't even thought about it. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:29.120 That's when I knew, said, man, this is good, really good. 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.039 So but you've been in the NBA how long though, now, 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:34.320 like from playing to coaching. 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:35.479 How many years you did? 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:40.360 Damn forty forty plus more than half your life. But yeah, 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.120 I'm sixty two. That's what I'm saying. You need this. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.000 You need. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.360 Raise your kids in it. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.839 My kids about NBA kids like, they all be in it. 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.640 They've been in locker rooms, they've been in uh man, 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.000 trying to road traveling. They got to you know, Austin 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.360 got to play against y'all, which was the funniest thing 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:02.400 of all time. 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.680 That was that was hilarious. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.919 Yeah, Austin being on the bus as a little kid 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.359 coming to practice shooting around. The next thing, I know, 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.039 I got an io with him at the top of 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:14.360 the key. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.240 I said, him and him and Kevin score off in 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.000 the game, and I'm thinking there, Austin was a little 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.520 kid in the parade right right, yes, the parade man. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.640 That was probably one of the more odd situations, right 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.280 because I looked at him and he said. 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.960 I heard what he said, like, I said what you? 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:32.720 I said what? And I caught myself like. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:38.240 What hey, what hey, chill out, It's good. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:38.719 How is he? 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.560 How is it? You know he's doing TV now. It's great. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.640 He touched it once to play, but he loved what 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.279 he's doing. So all good, all good, y'all. Look good 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:50.160 you you you. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.200 You gotta be a proud dad. Just to have a 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.560 kid make the n b A and see his progression 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.960 to where he is now. I mean, you know, we 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.720 got sons now, we're trying to him. My son is 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.320 ten years old now. We wish it could be something 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.000 like that. So I know that that's been an amazing feeling. 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:12.039 It was cool. Coaching them was different. You know, the 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.200 thing if you are coaching a kid facial in the NBA, 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:15.560 you want them to be the worst player on the 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.640 team or the best player. You do not want them 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.000 to be in the middle because that creates that can 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.080 create all kinds of stuff. But it's still you know 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:25.839 when I had to trade him, thinking about I had 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.080 to trade my son and uh that call, Like, I 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.120 was emotional because man, I got a call to trade 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.760 him and he saved me. He was like that, it's 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.080 time for me to go, he said, but I got 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.320 a chance to play with my pots and he said, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.080 nobody else can say that. He said later, We're gonna 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:45.680 love this. So it was cool. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:48.320 How do you like your TV? Man? 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.600 TV is great? You know what's funny. Before I coach, 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.080 I did three years of TV. It really helped me 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.560 because you know, when you're a player, you're in that 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:03.280 system and you know that system, and so when you're 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.760 a coach, you create your own system. Now I've coached 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.080 so long, I had different had a system for y'all. 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.160 It's one thing I did as a coach is I 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.960 looked at what I had and fit and made the 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.560 system fit that instead of just having the system, you 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.600 guys got to work into that you know. So now 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:20.920 I'm sitting back and I'm going to these practices and 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.680 a lot of coaches are calling you, you know, for advice, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.720 and I wouldn't you know me, I wasn't one of those. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.280 When I was coaching, I wasn't talking to I wasn't 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.120 having a conversation with a lot of coaches. I had 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:35.280 a few friends, but I don't know. I grew up 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:39.560 and then nine au career, so I didn't know. Everybody 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.840 didn't want to I wanted to do I don't need 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.440 to talk to you. But now I'm talking. I'm talking 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.600 to coaches now I've never talked to like even never 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:51.000 had a relationship with you. And it's been awesome. They 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.239 asked you questions and and you know, so you're learning. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.920 I'm always learning always, you know, because it's just what 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.280 you do. So that's been a really cool process. And 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.160 some of the guys that didn't think I liked, I'm like, man, 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:06.040 that's a good dude, really because you don't get a 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.280 chance to know it any guys. And there's a you know, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:13.560 not saying and there's a few coaches I was like, man, 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.560 this gots terrible. And now you're talking to him you're 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.760 here his knowledge and you're like, man, it's amazing. So 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.200 that it's been really good for me. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.200 I want to know something because like I think I've 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.680 been around doctor long as as a player, and I 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.600 know how he used to coach me. And like I 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.679 watched towards the end of my career and the transition 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.080 from like this era of players to the next, Like 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.800 how how was that? Because I saw a different you 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:44.040 come from the one that coached me to the one 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:48.599 that coached like the next generation, Like how was that transition? 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.760 You know, I've been in long enough and like. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.000 I don't want to say you coached me hard, coach hard? 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.360 You coached me hard. Yeah we had some days. Yeah, 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.440 we had some off days Paul, early on, you know, 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.160 when I first took the job, and we're gonna be 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.360 very good, but I thought you could be more efficient. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.400 And I came in and I said, Paul, you gotta 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.439 play this way, and you're like, what are you talking about? 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.160 I know you made it, but you can be better. 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.040 I remember we had the conversation with about you were 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.400 shooting like forty two and I asked you, Paul, you're 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.320 a great shooter, and you said, yeah, I'm a great shooter. 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:30.400 And I said, well, you're shooting forty two, so either 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.280 you're a great shooter taking bad shots or you're not 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:41.079 a great shooter. I'm a great shooter, then you're taking 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.680 mad shots. Let's work on it and give Paul credit, 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.840 like we button heads. And then remember you just walked 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.720 in my office. You know what what you want to try. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.360 To do, We're gonna do it. 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.520 It wasn't me like I. I wouldn't. I wouldn't give in. 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.360 I think you knew I was crazy enough. This guy 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:01.079 ain't changing. So but you did it. But this is 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.520 a different group. I've had three. When I first started, 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.080 it was like a different group than by the time. 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:11.679 Y'all different era of guys where you can really coach 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:16.679 your group and this group is so much more sensitive 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.800 because they have so much more stuff because social media. See, 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.959 we didn't have that these guys every day. What was 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.280 the first thing the books said after the Laker game 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.080 with the non call? You know, I was on Twitter 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.960 and everybody was saying me, like, because it's a different generation, 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:40.079 these guys, there's people that the peripheral people now are involved. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:44.160 When we were you couldn't get involved when I played, 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.520 think about my first eight years as a player. There's 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.319 no such thing. I'm showing my age of a cell phone. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.400 That one. So when we got on the bus, we 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.000 talked to each other. When y'all got on the bus, 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.800 it was loud. You get on the bus. Now it 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:03.439 is silent on the device. And so you come in 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.440 in halftime. Now people are looking down and you walk 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.320 in and I don't have a rule, but they know 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.760 you shouldn't be on the phone. And always you know, uh, 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.080 Sam can say always laugh, he said. The players that 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.560 have no idea what you actually see and what you 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.959 don't see, you know, because I see everything, you know, 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.439 but you've got to act like you don't see it. 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.640 But you know what they're doing now they're talking to 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:28.560 their individual coach. They're talking to you know, and every coach, 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.920 all these guys, I've met an individual coach who have 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.480 ever called me about defense? You know. So that was 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:38.800 the rule I made. I have one call me. You know, 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.720 my guy needs to get most shots. And said, listen, 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.800 first of all, you're that part of this team, you know, 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.040 and we're going to do what we need to do 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.760 for the techno win. I said, But here's our new deal. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:53.040 You can call me about the defense anytime. Anytime you 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:54.959 think your guy needs to play harder defense, just give 0:11:54.960 --> 0:12:06.000 me a call. And I I never got on you 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.720 don't hear that. But but but you gotta you gotta 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.959 understand that though they are more sensitive because these guys 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.760 are criticized more, there's more people. They read the comments, 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.880 you know, they read the social media comments. That all 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.360 of them have their own brand. No one had that, 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.360 so it is different and you gotta be conscious of that. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.480 And there was times I failed on that because there's 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:33.040 time they needed to be coached. And so even coaching 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.800 like you you would tell you wouldn't come to me. 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:40.080 You wouldn't say, man, uh, Tony needs to play, Paul 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.280 needs to do this. You would say, Paul, you need 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.320 to do this. This generation will come to you. The 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:49.680 guys sit next to them and because they they don't 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.480 communicate as well, and you can always see the teams 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.520 that communicate will win and the teams that don't, well, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.760 you can visually see it and it's obvious. 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:10.400 Yeah, who got and Bonner, listen, anytime we're in a 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.560 personal seting, I have to I don't even say it, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.600 but The whole thing was about Genobili. 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.400 Right, the coaches here, Oh, this is the story. 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.040 The whole thing was about Genobili. Right, we were God 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.760 Genobli that night. We were there to stopping Genobili. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.680 Right, We're there to stop Genova first. 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:27.640 So he was on the road. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.319 Four pick and roll. The three four pick and roll 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.240 was the most famous because he popped right. I didn't 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:37.439 have a rotator. We were chopping Genobili. I got no rotator. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:42.319 So Ricky Head was hitting. That's was the game playing, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.720 right it was. But okay, go ahead, I'll tell you 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.920 a funny day. So we're at halftime and bottoms rolling 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:54.439 right twenty and a half this time. So, but Genobi 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:55.760 is under control of God. 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.560 We're trying to control. But Sam will verify. I told Sam, 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.439 I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about Bonner. It's 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.400 it's Kevin, right, But I said it already. Yeah, that's 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.360 why I did it. I wasn't doing it for the 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:09.880 more reasons. How he did it. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.600 Was also think about our team. We can go out 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:16.360 and we can say it to each other before you 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:17.160 had to do it. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.920 Yeah, we hold each other accountable and said, like, who's 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:21.800 who's gotten Bonner? 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.120 He lost his mind? Was so I was like, okay, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.880 bottom old fun. He was like, Kevin, we're here to 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:35.040 stop Youoba. Oh yeah, we're here to stop you get 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:35.720 out of your field. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.280 I was gonna say it then, don't say that. He'll know. 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.280 I say, listen, we're gonna have to send some help 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:40.720 on Bonner. 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.680 Okay, don you know what I'm saying. It was all good. 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.040 I'm glad we could laugh about that. But yeah, wait, 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:54.840 I see Bonner next time. If you ain't any place hooping. 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.120 I see you as By. 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.680 Talking about calling the games now, one perspective out love 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.960 is that when you're watching the sets, you like, I 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:12.240 love hearing the commentator through how you're watching the game 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:12.640 as a. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:14.560 Yeah, I'm seeing it as a coach, and I'm trying 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.080 to get people to see it that way. Like last night, Uh, 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.560 New Orleans kept running the five four picking rolls and 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.600 I was like, well, they keep running this, They're gonna 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:28.200 keep getting a D and Lebron two best defenders, and 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:29.760 you can see that and you need to go away 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.360 from That's not gonna work tonight. But that was their 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.720 bread and butter. But not against the Lakers. It just 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.640 wasn't gonna work. So I try to show the fan that, uh, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:40.760 someone at the game to be a positive game. We 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.880 got a great game. And I think it's so easy 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:48.000 to criticize. And you know, like I'll say this something 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.160 I've learned doing TV. Uh not learned, but you watch 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.440 players differently. Ad would be a great example. You know, 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.880 I've been watching them and I look at Ad now 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.320 and I said, eighty's more pipping. And we don't understand 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:06.760 that Ad won a national title scoring six points. He 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:11.000 dominated defensive defensive And so I actually called Cal. I said, Cal, 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.240 what what would you say to that? He said, that's 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.160 who he is. He can score, he can pass, he 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.000 does a lot of things great. But if you ask 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.360 him what he wants to do every night, he wants 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.640 to be the dominant defensive player. And so it kind 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.120 of changed me a little bit. There are nights you 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:25.960 still should dominate. 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.640 You look at his ability. That's exactly he has the 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.520 one A ability he does you know what I'm saying. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.320 Yeah, but he did it in New Orleans. But now 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.520 he's playing with the guy that is one A and 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:40.360 he's like, you know what, I'm going to do? What 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.080 it takes, So I have changed the there are knights 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.280 you want him to be more aggressive, but it has 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:47.600 changed me a little bit on that just just watching him. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.800 That's when you see those nights when you see him dominant, Yeah, 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.520 taking the one a row. Yeah he's thirty eight and 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.480 fifteen because Lebron is thirty eight thirty nine. I mean 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.360 he has so much match Yeah, yeah, I need some 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.199 of whatever. Hea that's the subject. But like when you 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.800 see it, it's like it's like it's teasing you and 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:08.879 you're like, man, you know he can do this every night. 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.040 He could do the same things that in b does. 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.040 He can do the same thing that Joker does. At 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.400 the end of the day. If you was coaching him, 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.720 you would tell him this his mindset. That was pretty much. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:24.240 You remember there was a game Cleveland and Cleveland playoff game, 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:31.760 and I needed Kevin to be aggressive because Tony. The 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.880 number was twenty and I kept I use the word 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.040 twenty like forty times in the speech. I said, We're 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.080 gonna have twenty this, twenty this, and the number was 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.560 Kevin had to take twenty field goal. Yeah, man, I 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.919 kept saying the word twenty to Finally you said, I 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.960 got it man, I got it twenty But you know, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.479 that's what you have to do sometimes because Kevin. One 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.879 thing I said about Kevin, you're so unselfish there were 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.640 knights I had to remind you that you were because 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.080 you did everything else. Uh. You know, you remember I'd say, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.480 moved the ball, and I yell it, you shoot the ball, 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:11.399 and you said, he told me. I didn't tell that 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:14.359 to Paul. Well, knew he used to tell me to 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.560 move all He never had to tell that Paul, and 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:17.840 Ray was a different. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.280 To tell that the ticket he had to tell that to. 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.720 Me, Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, but you do have to. 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.960 You just got to get get every guy on the 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.720 team to understand the role for the team, not only 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.320 for the team for the year, sometimes for that night. 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.040 And that's the hardest thing about coach X. And it 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.040 is easy, you know. I always felt I felt like 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.040 in the time out, what I was gonna draw, wish 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.119 going or we're gonna get a good I always felt 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:48.000 very good about that. Uh. But getting guys at each 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.679 individual player to buy into his role. And you know, 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.040 everybody's not gonna get the row they want, but if 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.119 you want to win, you have to do that. You're 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.280 looking at all these teams right now and like, Noalkey, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.200 right now, they're gonna get it, but they ain't got 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.760 it and you can see it, you can visually see it. 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.440 It's gonna take time. Think about Giannie has played one way, 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.480 Dame has played one way, and so they're gonna have 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.359 to figure it out. And they're going to because I 0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:18.359 think they You got to be ready to win. And 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:20.880 you know, remember that dug boat right where I told 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.480 y'all give yall guys names. There's a lot of guys, 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:24.920 you know, all of them trying to do is win. 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.919 And I say, yeah, not really, you're trying to win 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.480 as long as you get to do whatever you want 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.440 to do. That's just not the case. What's the old 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.200 saying the individual has to lose for the team to win. 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:39.600 There's a lot of truth to that. You know that 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:44.080 you got to give up something. And so when I'm 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.880 watching them, you're watching all the new teams that are 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:51.119 just put together, even Boston, and they're rolling when Brazilian's plays. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.760 But there's times Jalen you can see he's off kilt 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.240 there at times. It just takes time. 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.440 You know, Yeah, I understand that you got to lose one. 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.760 I was taking nineteen shots. I went from nineteen shots 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:03.920 to twelve shots a game. I was like, damn. Then 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:05.400 you became were winning now. 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:12.679 But it ain't easy, man, and for y'all, especially now, 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.120 it's even harder. For y'all. It's hard because I don't 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:18.080 care who you are when you go home, all your boys, 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:21.320 all your friends. That we always called them the peripheral 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:24.280 opponents because they are. Everybody outside the locker room is 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:28.879 the opponent, including families at times, you know, including families, 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:30.720 because all they're telling you. They're never gonna tell you 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.480 what you need to hear. They're gonna tell you what 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.560 you want to hear. And what they're gonna tell you 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.720 is you need to shoot more. You ain't get enough shots. 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.480 Think about every single player, it's saying, and then the 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.760 guys who aren't playing, you need to play more, and 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.359 to play more, you need to shoot more. I mean, that's. 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:48.840 Day. 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:50.760 That was the one thing Doc you are great at 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.560 was reminding us that, yeah, because you knew that as 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.040 you were you as a player and as a coach, 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.280 you understood that. And when y'all, when I used to 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.040 hear you say that, like yeah, he right, we have 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:06.000 to battle these these outsiders. We had to battle to outsiders. 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.040 And when you constantly reminded us, it helped us out 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.840 so much because when guys were coming too the locker 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.240 room and feel a certain way and you bounced that 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.240 off of us, they'd be like, look, it's it's bigger 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.400 than that. It's about what's right here. And that was key. 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.000 I swear that was key for us in our locker room. 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:22.760 That kept it good. 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:26.080 That you guys bought in. I mean, we had our 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:30.040 days as a group. You know, No, this was after yeah, No, 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.160 this was you know what I got after. 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.680 We were got it got. 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:42.280 It's so hard that that's when I seek people out 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:45.600 that have wanted And Michael Jordan said to me, he said, 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:47.320 this is gonna be your problem. It ain't gonna be 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.320 uh after you were the Big three, It's gonna be 0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:54.280 everybody else. Because every single player on your team has 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.199 gone away and had the trophy for a week or 0:21:56.200 --> 0:22:02.480 two and they were the man. When they come back, 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:04.640 you're gonna have fifteen guys and think they're the man 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.640 that it's gonna take you all year to get them 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:09.760 to get back to who they are. That doesn't mean 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.320 your roads don't grow. Like Rangos wrote, group you know 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:17.240 at each year, you know, but that mean everybody's. 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.639 I feel like I feel like that's what happened with 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.080 the Draymond Pool situation. And I don't know, but like 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.600 just seeing it the year after, just I felt like 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:29.560 they wanted and then you know how guys came back 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.320 and wanted a bigger role. I don't know for sure, 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.120 but I bet you that has something to. 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:36.960 Do with it, I think. And I don't know either, 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.159 but I think you're one hundred percent right. You know 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:42.399 what I'm saying, And you know what I've always learned. 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.480 You guys know this when you don't hear a lot 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:48.640 of comments on the team, you know they didn't everybody 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:49.959 on the outside thought it was awful. 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:55.320 You didn't have one player or upstairs nothing, So you. 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.800 Knew there was something in there because I saw what us. 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.920 But it's just because we kind of controller within ours 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.439 didn't get out of control. I feel like, and I 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:06.199 was like, I know, that's the first thing that. 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.399 We had fights. There was stuff. That's what people like. 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.119 That's the difference to now everything is seen, everything is 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:16.160 known last night, then the in the Milwaukee game. After 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:20.399 the game, one of the players went off and it 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:23.000 was reported ten minutes after that that's how is that 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:26.800 possible that that's that that can't get out. It's okay 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:30.200 to have those conversations. We've had off, had heated conversations. 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.120 It's part of growing, uh. But it's got to stay 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.040 in house, and it's not staying in house with a 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:35.560 lot of teams. 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:37.960 That's one of the differences right there. That changed from 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:42.960 our error to now. We always our stuff stayed in house. 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:46.359 You always preached that, like nothing to leave here. Boy, 0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:49.000 We're gonna keep everything, handle everything in But now it's 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:50.600 that's not the but. 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.919 But things stay in house in Miami, things stay in 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:58.400 house in San Antonio State. That was the first time 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:02.119 that ever got out. Yeah, So you still got to 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:06.440 protect your culture. And that's that's where I think if 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:10.720 I struggled the most h once I left Boston. You know, 0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:13.200 I went to the Clippers trying to create a culture, 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:17.200 went to Clippers, and that's why you realize how important 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:20.840 like everybody employees. That's the first time, you know, I 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:22.879 was always just the coach, and then I got the 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.760 Clippers and I was trying to do everything, and you 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:30.200 realize all those employees are underpaid, so they again loyalty 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:34.560 for what you know, they're quitting the manager Pete Right, 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:39.440 I've been there for thirty years making fifty The average 0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:43.280 is like, he's been there. Let me think about that. 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:45.560 And so when you come in and you're talking to 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:47.800 your employees, by we got a whole buy in, and 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:53.760 they're like, for what I'm getting. Everybody's getting fired all 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:56.960 the time with this organization. So you know, other than 0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:01.240 winning the championship, that was my biggest success is changing 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:05.800 the culture with that group. And it took a long time, 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.560 and you wasted you had to, You wasted a lot 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:11.560 of equity trying to do it, but it was it. 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.639 Was worth it, so worth it. I just wondered, Man, 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.120 would you ever go into ownership whichever. 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.440 I'd love to love to. I just need you to 0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:20.000 buy the team. 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:22.800 I think there's one coming out here in Vegas. 0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:26.040 So yeah, Vegas, I was coming up your front office ownership. 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:27.760 I you know, the one thing I did that you 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.240 can't be a coach and a front of I did 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.560 that for a year. That's a headache, right, you know, 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:34.720 Lawrence rank Lass To this day, it was it was 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.000 like game twenty and we're sitting on the bench doing 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:39.840 the game and I turned to him and said, this 0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:42.600 is your last year coaching. And he's like, what I said, 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:43.959 You're gonna be a GM next year. 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.119 I'm done with this because he's. 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.720 Doing the game it was and he was like, what 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:51.600 are you? I said, no, this is it? This is nuts. 0:25:51.600 --> 0:25:56.240 I mean you're watching college guys talking to it's you know, 0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:58.640 I don't know. You know, people used to do it. 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:01.280 Matt Riley did it, and Red did it, but the 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.920 league's gotten too big to staffs are too big. 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.720 So you know what, I don't understand that too big, 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:08.359 too big. 0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:09.280 Yeah, I don't. 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:13.080 Understand the role of the general manager anymore after because 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.600 you got the general manager and then you got the president. 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:18.480 So what's the role of the general Well, it depends 0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:21.880 on the group. You know. To be a great organization, 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.119 there has to be a team. Danny and I like, 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:26.399 you can go into Danny and say something about me 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:30.720 without me not knowing. You know, Danny wasn't gonna tell 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.840 Paul I'll do this and then come to me into Danny. 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:36.560 When somebody came to Danny there, Oftentimes you just bring 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:38.720 you let's go on down, Let's go sit with Doc. 0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.000 The other thing with Danny and Danny, I had some 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:44.360 drag out arguments, then we go to dinner. We were 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:48.159 always we covered for each other. When Danny made a 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:51.760 bad draft pick, you never read that Doc wanted somebody else. 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:55.159 Or when I said let's go with this guy, you 0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:57.960 never read that Danny wanted somebody else. I mean, Ronald 0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:00.000 was a great example. So Danny came in to me 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.840 even for the year before the season, Hey, I want 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:06.520 you to look at this tape with Rondo. And I 0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:11.240 looked at her. He can't play. This guy can't play. 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:15.520 That's what I'm looking at. When I first saw Rondo, 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:17.600 and then I kept looking and I said, man, this 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.040 dude can he can? You know you start seeing it. 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:24.320 Then I called all the coaches at Kentucky. The report 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:29.400 wasn't very good, you know Rondo. So I'm worried, and 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:32.040 Danny said, hey, you trust me. Yeah, we got it. 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.280 And two days in the cameras, oh man, we got 0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:38.560 to steal. I mean, but no one knew that. Danny 0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.919 never said, hey, I always wanted them, you know, you know, 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:44.760 and Tony's in the room, so I'm gonna bring this up. 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:48.840 I was going to turn down the celt job because 0:27:48.880 --> 0:27:52.119 I just left Orlando. I wanted the year and Danny 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:53.960 calls me and said, hey, can we talk and I 0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:55.879 said yeah, I said when he said now, said what 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:57.840 do you mean now? He said, look outside your window? 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:02.200 Then he just flew all the own up to Orlando. 0:28:02.320 --> 0:28:03.199 We're not asking me. 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.160 He's ringing the doorbell, that's how. So he comes in 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.840 and we're sitting there and I'm like, I said, the 0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:14.439 boss moved. It was cool. And we're sitting there and 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:18.399 we're talking about college players and I said, I tell 0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:21.639 you the guy I love kid at Oklahoma State, Tony Allen, 0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.720 and the owners started laughing because then he had just 0:28:24.760 --> 0:28:27.760 said that. And then that made me say, oh, man, 0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:31.160 we're connected. That was that's true story. I said, we're 0:28:31.200 --> 0:28:34.200 connected because Tony was yeah. 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:39.280 It was wold. 0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:43.680 I was like, this is my god man, And I 0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.360 was so cool because you know, some teams wouldn't have 0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.640 seen that, and I was like, man, we get this dude, 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:50.040 and it was right. We were right. 0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:52.800 They was like, we need to get him tray Paul 0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:54.200 Piers and we'll be all right. 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.440 I'll give you a credit because in a generation where 0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:02.880 everybody just wanted to leave, Kevin, you two, we had 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.400 to beg you to leave. The best thing you did 0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:09.440 for us is say no, because we ended up with Ray. 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.680 You and you had to say yeah first. It wouldn't 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.920 have worked, but we had to make got trade first 0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:18.560 because you said no. We went to the draft and 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:20.720 we draft. We ended up trading getting Rey Allen. So 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:22.920 now we got Ray and Paul, now he want to come. 0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:24.440 Now this guy wanted. 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:29.800 To now you want to get some cinnamon. 0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.360 To come? Yeah, okay, now you want to get some cinnama. 0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:35.760 I got Ray. I was like, it's just. 0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:40.520 Not something like and now you want to get some cinnamon. 0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:42.240 And I didn't think we can get him. And where's 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.560 golfing me and Kevin McHale and Dan mc goffin. I'm 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:47.880 in the cup with Kevin and we're trying to me 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:51.280 Danny trying to figure anyway to get Kevin McHale to say, yes, 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.479 we're working. But then Kevin told me, he said, Doc, 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:57.920 you know what I want. Whoever is the youngest best 0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:00.280 big man in the league. You know that that's all 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.200 I need and we can get that, and we can 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.160 just figure out I was like, oh, we didn't give 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.360 me gard that because we had out and I'm thinking 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:09.680 that was the best young big man at the time. 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:11.880 So when he said that, I remember driving the golf 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.920 cart like we getting all three guys. That's what I 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:20.800 was thinking. I told we're getting him and I said 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:22.600 just and he was like, who who do we give up? 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:26.240 He said, tell him to name him. But we had 0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:28.880 a list of guys you couldn't touch, couldn't touch Tony, 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:33.760 couldn't touch Rondo, Uh, Perk. We needed. We knew exactly 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:34.240 what we want. 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:36.360 It's crazy, I asked for those exact guys. 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:36.920 Is that right? 0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:40.160 I said, Because whenever I think I said this to you, 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.040 I said, I said this to you too. I said, man, 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:46.320 I'm looking to play with the team I'm used to 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.080 playing against. And whenever I played against those guys, but 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:53.640 t Raife p t A Perk, I always felt like 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:55.800 I got the best team because I watched film. You know, 0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:57.880 I'm watching two three games coming to the game. So 0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.400 I was like, man, every time I played Perk, every time. 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:02.320 I played, got into it. This is what happened. 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:04.880 They got it so much. 0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.560 They did it in the game getting here before and 0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:09.960 I didn't know that was a locker room. 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:11.160 And I didn't know is that I was like a 0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.200 big bro without being a big bro. Yeah, and I 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:16.000 didn't know big fella came out of high school. I 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.160 didn't even know none of this. Right, But in the 0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:19.840 evening with my young fella, right. 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.840 Look, when we traded for him, he called me like 0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:25.280 walking like he's like, what's a big person? 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:27.640 Thinking I'm thinking ticket, thinking he might have to go. 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:28.240 Hands with him. 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:33.320 Because I wanted to get understanding with Himore. 0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.600 I came in here and then whatever we had to 0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:37.400 get out the way, let's to get it out the way, 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.600 big fella, because I want you to know I'm a 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:40.680 different type of teammate. 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:43.000 That's show, That's what it was. They never played with 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:44.960 like me. He was like, hold on, a big follow. 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.000 You didn't be I don't give none of that. I'm 0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:47.920 talking about the locker room. 0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:49.840 And I was, man, we're gonna be like and I 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.200 was starting to implement on what we're gonna be like 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:54.560 now I'm on defense. I talked like this and purpose 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:59.920 like oh for really, Yeah, he didn't talk how to communicate. 0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:04.720 You know what. My favorite practice was the first practice 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:09.240 in Rome because y'all got lit up the second year 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:10.000 that destroyed your. 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:13.200 Yeah any house. 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:20.000 And I was funny the two things that happened. Tibbs 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:23.800 had never you know, I spent some time with Belichick 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.800 and Tony Dunjee that summer and they were, you know, 0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.640 the offense and defensive coordinator. I've never done that, and 0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.480 so I told Tims you can be the defensive coordinator 0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:35.960 and he's like, okay, but he didn't know. I meant like, no, 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:38.920 you do run it so you don't remember this. But 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:41.760 at the beginning of the practice, Tims start talking. I 0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:45.280 left the gym and Tims is looking around, like where's 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:51.520 he going? Where's he going? You know, I'm sitting in 0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:55.840 the hallway listening because I just needed y'all to understand 0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:59.160 it's TIB's voice, it's not my voice. And Tim's at 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.200 the present. Bro. You know, Bro, you can't do that. 0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.160 Just can't leave the gym, I mean, and I was like, 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.960 you know, what's so? You know because you started doing 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:07.680 that all year. 0:33:07.800 --> 0:33:10.640 Yeah, Now, when we had shoot around, you would lead 0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.640 and Tims and the scout. 0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:16.280 That was on purpose because I was like, Okay, if 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.240 I'm there, y'all gonna look over at me and I 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:21.840 trying to look at Tims. I thought it was really 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:22.880 important we. 0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.720 Hold over him. We were like, the damn Tims. First 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:27.800 thing to do is go right into a drill. Okay, 0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.520 let me get two guys away, two guys in the bucks. 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.520 We're gonna tell five girl like, man, what the fun 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:37.160 were looking around? Come on, man, man, you will leave 0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:38.520 and we're starting. 0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:43.080 Ticket used to be this man used to be in. 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.160 There were about ten different times where I was about 0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:48.040 to open the door because I can hear it, and 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:48.600 then I was like. 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:50.200 No, no, we ain't doing that. That's true. 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:56.200 Let's ticket, man, are you son it this way? We're 0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:59.240 gonna run it this wife Tims wouldn't back down. That's 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:00.000 what the thing. 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.120 That's where I didn't know. I'm like at the door, 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:03.960 I need to go in. And then the other part 0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:08.359 of that first practice, Paul caught a foul and I 0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:11.919 was roughing and it wasn't a foul, but I wanted 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.120 to see what the second unit would do because usually 0:34:14.160 --> 0:34:18.000 the second units and pose like Post like no, no, no, file, 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:20.680 it ain't no found in posts. It's a file. Posts 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.680 grabbed the ball and they involved and kept playing and 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.280 I was like, oh, we're gonna be good. 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.439 After that first passion, I got back to the joint. 0:34:29.480 --> 0:34:31.799 You know, usually go back to each man. Paul can't 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:33.839 hit the door. We went downstairs, you know training count. 0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.200 You lay down, and we went down to have lunch. 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:37.239 We shitt. 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:39.600 I was like, I don't really do this on training count, 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.080 but man, sorry, that ship looked at man. 0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:43.239 That shit looked cry that she looked creit. 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:43.600 Man. 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.920 He was like, he had a ball hitting. We all 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:48.520 went ball, went ball. 0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:54.360 Went ball, and then Rondo and the second unit the 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:57.360 second year. The next day y'all destroyed them. It was 0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:00.560 like it was competitive competitive. You know. One thing you're 0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:04.160 talking about Lebron, You remember Lebron early in his career 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.719 was he was he was a great player, but he 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:12.560 wasn't a student. Like it's amazing. I think when he 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.799 got traded to Miami, we had an exhibition game and 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.799 Lebron started calling our sets. 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:21.120 He started calling the sets like Rondo, he's coming up 0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:22.480 to whatever, we're gonna switch this. 0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.200 And right when he did that, I don't think it 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:27.080 was Tips and my Ben Tips. 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:30.160 No, it was I remember this. I remember I remember 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:30.800 the situation. 0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.120 Whoever was our assistant coach. I turned around said, oh boy, 0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:35.200 we in trouble. 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.279 He was doing he was They was emulating everything we 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:41.359 was doing. We were doing calling you remember they had 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:45.680 the big long gash football players thirty one two side twists. 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.359 I was like, and when he started calling our sets out, 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.000 Tony Hill was coming over here he comes fall were switch. 0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:54.920 This was like, Oh my gosh, Lebron, it's become a 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.280 student checked out. And now when you're watch him now, 0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:01.360 it's like he's playing chess and playing it's ridiculous not 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:05.640 watching him. His brain has evolved to where he's at. 0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:07.279 It's amazing. He didn't always have that. 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.479 Yeah, that's why he's still dominating forever. 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:12.759 Right now, when you watch I watched it watching him, 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:16.080 he's moving two steps earlier before they passed it. 0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.480 That's crazy. You've never seen nothing like this. Like, I 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:22.759 don't even care what he's twenty one years in and 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.120 just I'm looking at his movies. I'm thinking, like, by 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.160 the time I got to my fifteenth year, I was like, 0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:28.799 it was it was hit or miss, How its gonna 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:35.000 feel getting out of bed fifteen? She was hit her 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.239 missing my big toe was gonna work that day? Or 0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:38.040 my ankle or. 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.400 Something with Jim Credie puts it all. He worked and 0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:43.160 you know, energy levels crazy and I hate to go 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:46.680 uh de bait. You know, I'm a Michael guy. I know, 0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:51.120 but that doesn't mean anything bad about Lebron. Bron's gonna 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:54.560 have the greatest career ever. It's no doubt he's gonna 0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.640 have a goat career. But as far as for me, 0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.960 the single players, Mike, but it doesn't matter that makes 0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:04.440 Lebron bad. I don't know why I feel like you 0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:07.200 say one that means you're putting down the other one. 0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:08.480 They're both amazing. 0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:12.920 We used to be in the locker room and you know, 0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.440 the new younger guys they like, man, Lebron's the best 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.120 player ever, Like, don't would tell you that, would for 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.239 show tell you that, But they ain't see you know 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:23.960 what I'm saying, black, Mike, And it's always gonna be 0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.720 that from generation generation, even when you hear Kareem speak 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:29.239 or or when Bill Russell used to say that, it's 0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:29.640 just like. 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:34.239 Thinking Bill Russell exactly. It was a Bill Russell guys. 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:37.320 You know it's funny with Austin growing up, I was 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:40.279 Austin like Lebron's you know, and I would send him 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.600 video and I sent him also the bill like two 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:48.359 weeks ago, and it takes all right there, I get it, 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:52.440 all right, got it, m J was the best Send 0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.319 me back. But it's a fun debate. But I just 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.680 hate that when you do it, people think you're putting 0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:58.879 down one guy the other. 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:03.160 I think they both transcended the game in a different way. Obviously, 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:06.920 we've never seen someone have thirty nine thousand points sixty 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.920 six thousand minutes on the goddamn floor. 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:12.200 We put tim into this game. 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.560 We know when I'm watching the thirty eight year old 0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:18.280 have more energy than twenty ones, twenty two year olds, 0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:23.239 twenty nine year olds. He is arguably the most is 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.440 everything on the floor. So that's what I'm looking at. 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.040 I don't want to be in two twenty three watching 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:29.480 something of the past. I want to be in two 0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.080 twenty three watching something of the future. And that's what 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:35.640 I'm embracing. That the passpening right now. Man, listen, this 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:36.680 happening Domin. 0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:38.920 You know what the scary thing y'all I think about too, 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:42.879 I'm like, damn, like when Lebron go like, who's gonna 0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:46.120 be that face, who can really carry the torch? Somebody 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.680 went from Jordan and I think in the early two 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.480 thousands it was multiple players. You know, it was Kobe committment, 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:57.359 committed committee, and then Lebron took over. So so now 0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:58.719 I'm looking like, damn. 0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.719 Lebron and Steph. I don't think we give Steph enough 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:03.760 credit because Steph is as much of a game changer 0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:07.080 as anybody in our lifetime. Like you go to au game, now, 0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:10.200 ain't nobody dunking? Remember you go to a game noway 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:12.440 and took a jump shot? Everybody was you go to 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:17.959 the game people, everybody, that's the one dude. We don't 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.319 give him enough credit anybody. He's one of the most 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:25.960 titles of that group. They're watching him now still and 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:29.000 Durant now the three oldest players are dominating. 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:31.640 But see what the kids do. They say, I can 0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:34.759 be Steph because I can't beat Durant because I'm not 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.560 growing the seven feet, i can't beat the Lebron because 0:39:37.560 --> 0:39:40.160 I'm not gonna be six eight in buff But kids 0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:42.840 looking say, I can probably be his Steph. You know, 0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:47.160 six two six three and can shoot really well and 0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.680 move it out the ball. That's that's it's not realistic really, 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.000 but like they're not gonna be the great, but it's 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:54.000 more realistic. 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:57.040 But they ain't gonna put in the time. You know, 0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:03.360 Steph Man, he he's a machine. He works and you know, listen, 0:40:03.440 --> 0:40:07.759 all y'all, it's no think about every team you played on. 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:10.759 You were the best player on your teams, but you're 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:12.960 also with the hardest worker on your teamers. That ain't 0:40:12.960 --> 0:40:15.719 a coincidence. Ray Allen was our best shooter, right who 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.239 took the most shots if you counted the entire time 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.879 we were at together, who took more shots than Ray? 0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:25.000 I remember thinking, okay, you want to be a better shooter, 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:29.799 but the better shooter taking more shots and practice. You know, 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:32.560 there's a Tiger Woods store. I was golfing with like 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:34.879 three other professional golfers and I'm not gonna use their name, 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.280 but we're golfing and Tiger Woods was on the range. 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.120 We finished golfing. He's still on the range. Now that's 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.840 where hours later we go eat. Is now a porn 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:49.759 rain storm, I mean in Orlando and there's no one 0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:53.319 there except for Tigers on the range hitting balls in 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.560 the rain. Because the British Open was in a week 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:58.480 and a half and he thought it may rain, so 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.040 he had to play through it. I called one of 0:41:01.040 --> 0:41:04.040 the guys, I said, catch you a question. Uh, Tiger 0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:06.399 Woods is the best player, right, it's okay, yeah, by far? 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.800 You know it's the best, maybe the best in history. 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:12.040 And I said, you think he works out out works 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:15.400 everybody on tour. He said, yeah, man, he outworks all 0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:17.799 of us. I said, okay, now he's number one. Now 0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.359 he's out working you. Now, how can you ever catch him? 0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:23.600 Like when you think about it, When I started thinking 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:28.280 about that with shooters, with ball handlers like these guys, 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.920 I don't think guys understand how hard it is to 0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:34.799 be great, and everybody wants to be great, and then 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:37.359 when they get the job, like when the number one 0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.359 player's gone for a week or two, they realize, oh 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:42.520 I want this job. This is hard, you know. So 0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:44.920 it's it still comes down to the work ethic. 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.520 I know you have a love for coaching. I know 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:51.080 that this break is great. Could you ever see yourself 0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:52.799 in any capacity coaching again? 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:53.880 On the stuff, I don't. 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:55.719 Know, Kevin. It's got to be the right. They would 0:41:55.760 --> 0:41:57.120 have to be a perfect situation. 0:41:57.680 --> 0:41:59.960 I know one thing I don't mean they won't define perfect. 0:42:00.320 --> 0:42:04.520 Perfect means we have to have eight team in the 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:07.080 front office. You have to be on the same path. 0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:09.759 I know where not going. Yeah, you can't be. I 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:10.680 can't me. 0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.360 I'm going to see him in San Antonio. 0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:15.880 And pop no, no, no, no, no, no, that's what 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:17.480 being y'all gonna be developed. 0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:18.759 No, he's gonna be ready to go. 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:20.960 I think I know where you're going. 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.960 Now, look, bring a team to it. Now, they bring 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:24.560 a team the mall. 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:25.560 I'm coaching that. 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:33.480 Job. Give me the pepper down job, the mail waves. 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:39.799 We would be unbelievable. But no, it's like it's so 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:43.359 important for you. You just can't do your job as 0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:47.160 a coaching our NBA. Now if you can't, you know 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:50.399 what do they say? Culture happens when you turn your 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.080 back when you're not in the room. 0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:52.680 You know. 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:56.680 If I can't leave a room and feel good, Yeah, 0:42:56.880 --> 0:42:59.359 then you can't work. And so you have to have 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:01.520 that and you gotta be on the same page. Man, 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:04.279 it's too much for you not to be. You want 0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:07.000 to win, you better be, So that would be my answer. 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:10.319 If not, TV, I'm gonna play a lot of bad 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:14.399 golf because I talk about golf people. I'm really good. 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:17.320 We're gonna get out there with We're. 0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:18.759 Gonna get an invitation. You know what I'm saying. 0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:22.200 Now that I'm here, y'all get me kicked out of 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:22.600 a club. 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:26.760 No, no, no, you wear the right stuff. 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:29.359 We're the right man. 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.560 Listen, I'm coming with Etniaquette. 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.160 I'm coming. I'm gonna have my whole outfit. 0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:37.799 I may leave my golf game in the car, but 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:43.799 I'm coming. Happens, whatever happens, we're bringing play best ball 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.600 to I don't want to play all that like my 0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:46.359 ball over here. 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:48.480 Okay, who got the best Okay, drop right here right here. 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:51.479 That means that's not that's golf. How we're gonna start 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:54.279 off start off like this and didn't get good? War 0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:56.799 because Bro think he beating me and I'm bad at 0:43:56.800 --> 0:43:57.919 watch Bro, You're. 0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:00.920 Not bad than that golf. You just bro you that 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.799 that golf text. Man, listen to my ship together from 0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:05.320 the hood. 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.160 You've been going to golf. Believe Lord, I've been going 0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:08.520 to golf. 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.719 Take I got I'm gonna go with Paul and the golf. 0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:14.200 I got it. 0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:19.239 They got the same birthday right now to what I'm 0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:19.719 locked in to. 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:24.840 What working out locked, locked this man up, man and 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:30.600 whatever nigga. Like we were saying, see, this is what 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:32.560 I had to deal with, Like, hey, you don't know 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:35.680 what I'm doing, this is this is the time out right, man, 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:40.799 Come on right there, I want right here, right here. 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:44.040 Yeah, Like that's what I want to show when I 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:47.520 came to timeouts. And let's say one time out in 0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:49.840 every game I went to Paul one time, I go 0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:51.799 to Ray one time. What would y'all think when it 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:52.319 what y'all? 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:54.760 So let me say this real ship, let me go first. 0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:58.279 At no point did we ever envy who shot it, 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:01.040 because we had the belief in all three of us as. 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:02.640 Long as it was all three of us. Real ship. 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:06.279 A probably posed because Poe's been there, right, But we 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:09.680 felt the we felt the responsibility to take the big 0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:12.319 shots and make the big decisions, you know what I'm saying. 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:14.640 So if it came from p and I had, you 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:16.480 had to be ready if it came from me rap 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:19.239 And that's how I can honestly say we never are 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:22.560 We never talked about having any issues with who I did. 0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:24.920 I remember God drew up a play one time and 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:26.640 I had no involvement in it. And you know, I 0:45:26.640 --> 0:45:29.239 didn't make some game winners, but he drew up the 0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.040 right play. I remember it was in Philly. I'll never 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.440 forget it. He drew a play for for for a 0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:35.080 law for you. 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:36.960 I remember the shando and I wasn't if. 0:45:37.000 --> 0:45:38.840 I was like over here in the corner and I 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:41.040 was just like, I'm not even in the play. But 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.080 it worked, you know when it just like yeah, But 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.600 you know, it was the most satisfaction for me just 0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:48.480 to have those teammates when I used to see you 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:50.880 make a game winner or or the pressure wasn't on 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.200 me no more like when I see Ray hit hit 0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.040 the shots, and it was just like for me to watch. 0:45:55.760 --> 0:46:00.239 That my favorite place. There's a couple of them. One 0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:01.880 was a love for Rondo against Miami. 0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:03.200 Oh yeah. 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:05.919 One was we ran up. I was at the AU game. 0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:09.319 Yeah maybe the bales man that day. I'm like, I'm 0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:11.520 taking up the game. 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:16.239 Yeah I can. 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:18.040 I can make free throws down a stretch. I can 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:19.960 make a shot, but I'm taking the ball out. 0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:21.879 Remember the time line, I said, ball, can you make 0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.600 this pass? I can make it pass, but you were 0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:28.480 thinking I need the ball. We also ran against Cleveland 0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:31.360 playoff game. I was at the AU game and I 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:33.520 think it was Austin's and Jeremiah c when Ice cl 0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:38.480 play and then we drew it up in practice. We 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:40.319 ran it and to scored twice. But we got the 0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:44.120 time out and you said, let's run high school. I 0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:48.120 was like, no, come on, coach, let's run high school. 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:50.000 And it's two times this happened. I'm telling you all now. 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.040 Uh so I I draw it up, and I remember 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:54.920 sitting on the bench and this is what we draw up. 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.160 It ain't gonna work. Were running the high school play, 0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:01.480 I actually said, but they wanted to run it, and 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:03.360 sometimes as a coach, you go with it. 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:06.640 August he just walked into the layout. 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:09.239 And then the other one was we scored on the 0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:13.319 three with Ray against Philadelphia the year before and you 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:15.799 all four, y'all, you run the right y'all said it. 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:18.000 We're in the time out and I drop another play 0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:20.600 and run this. Let's let's run the same play we 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.960 ran against him last year. I said, we can't run 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:26.799 the same play that we ran against the team last year. 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:29.319 It's not gonna work. And all y'all, oh, it's gonna work. 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:34.520 I came to the time out and that time I was, 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:37.400 Sam remembered to Sam might big coaching my year. I 0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.600 was literally like I wrought to the huddle on TIMS. 0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:44.759 I said, man, this is the dumbest thing I've ever 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:45.560 done as a coach. 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:46.239 So what you mean? 0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:49.959 I said, were running the same play, it's not gonna work. 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:52.439 And Ray was so and it was so wide open. 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.839 And it's funny how the real story the media they 0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.120 think we're y'all are celebrating, but y'all. 0:47:58.000 --> 0:47:58.680 Appointing at me. 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:02.160 We told you who he told you, and y'a was 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:03.360 so happy to be right. 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:07.760 That work. You know it didn't work, man. 0:48:07.640 --> 0:48:10.040 You know that's the beauty, Like just like with Doc 0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:12.279 because like we can go into the time out and 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:15.759 he'll listen to the players, and I think, I think 0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:18.520 that's an involvement of a coach, you know what I'm saying, 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:21.120 because sometimes you know, the coach gonna do everything, but 0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:27.240 when he listened to us sometimes it's just that's what made. 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:28.960 That came from y'all listening to me. Listen, y'all let 0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.520 me coach, y'all. Yeah, so I had to. If you 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:33.480 allow a coach to coach you, you're gonna give the 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:34.040 play everything. 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.560 They beat time out. It beat timeouts, were going to 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:40.919 the time out and Rondo will dropped the play. He'd 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:42.800 be like, all, I gotta play doctor and Rondo of 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:44.319 a drop a play and Doc. 0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:46.719 Is the only player with CP a little bit. But 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:49.759 Ron was the only guy. Remember had play ship. Yeah 0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:52.279 he's the only guy. But do two play sheets and 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:55.040 I would get run the one before the game. And 0:48:55.160 --> 0:48:57.759 it was amazing. Man, that dude is the smartest, best 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.160 his brain. Yeah, he was coming to time out and 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.800 I'm like, fifty two twists. He's already doing it with 0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:05.280 his mouth. He knows what we're running. 0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:08.760 He was hard players, but the other team plays you shocked. 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:10.360 He's not in coaching, he will be. 0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.719 Yeah, he's just too smart. Now he ain't gonna be 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:19.680 the most patient coach because he's still when I first 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:24.880 came in, that's what you learned, coach patients and big picture. 0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:28.120 You got to still in the big picture. Like you know, 0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.239 the other night, New Orleans get blown out. You know 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:35.840 that's a game. You say, all right, guys, go to 0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.160 the restaurant, go have a good time to night in Vegas. 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:43.680 I'll see you tomorrow. And then there's times when you're 0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:46.040 winning which you always notice. That's what I was on 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:49.400 mind when we lost. I was not off well, we 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.520 start winning too much. That's when I got rough because 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.800 I can feel y'all walking around with your shades on. 0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:02.040 Here we're about to go to a bad place. And 0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:05.960 that's when I got on y'all. Yeah, so y'all, I 0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:08.399 love it. I used to love when you actually gave 0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:11.920 us a chance. We would come and Doc was sit 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:14.640 right here. We wouldn't even say nothing, and this all 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:15.840 five of us will. 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:16.600 Be in the uproar. 0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:20.320 We'd be aregon, commensating with whatever, whatever, whatever. 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:24.000 They didn't. He like, you're okay, y'all finished, y'all done, okay, cool, 0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:24.600 just what we're doing. 0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:27.880 That was to me, that was that was that was 0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:30.160 the icing on the cake, because we had to be 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:33.560 able to interact the deal and each other allowed that. 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:35.160 He allowed us to be us. 0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:37.560 We didn't have to be someone else, and every guy 0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:41.359 in this and in this was himself. I didn't feel 0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:44.080 like I was getting another form of t A. I 0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:46.560 thought that I was another form of baby or another 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:48.239 form of dog. I felt like all of us was 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.800 who we are and we were. He allowed you to 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:51.560 be yourself. 0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:53.600 I remember one in Indiana. 0:50:55.200 --> 0:50:57.239 That probably been the roughest night of all of it. 0:50:57.360 --> 0:51:03.000 That was, it's the game and you and Brandon Bass 0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:08.200 about to fight. I'm sitting there, Kevin is yelling me, 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:11.239 you were get involved, you were get involved, and I'm trying. 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.360 I was trying to have the coaches stay out of it, 0:51:13.800 --> 0:51:15.080 and we were trying to resolute. 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.799 And then the locker room just went But I. 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:20.640 Sat there and I waited, and then ray and Paul 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:24.040 I mean Raying run will start getting into it. But 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:26.120 I got to do the media. So y'all don't even 0:51:26.160 --> 0:51:29.360 know this. So y'all arguing, but I got to go 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:31.520 out and do the meetings outside the door. When I 0:51:31.760 --> 0:51:34.360 so remember i left the room. I could hear you 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.560 still fighting and arguing. And I walk out to the 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:39.600 media and I said, listen to her. 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:40.560 We won this game. 0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:46.640 We're in there fighting. And I walked out to the 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:50.000 media and I said, listen to her. Guys best celebrating, 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:54.200 I said, And I said, this is the most wonderful 0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:59.840 team you know, and they're in there fighting. Get it. 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:01.160 We're just about to be the. 0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:04.960 So I actually said, I'm not gonna let you in 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:06.680 right away. I'm gonna go back in and celebrate with 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:08.960 the guys, and I had to go back in and 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:12.600 break up the fights. And the media never found out. 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:16.160 No one ever found out, and it got squashed. But 0:52:16.320 --> 0:52:19.800 you know those things that that's part of families. It 0:52:19.920 --> 0:52:23.840 really is. Man As a coach, I've had some crazy 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:31.400 I gotta change the names. I'm gonna have to Beau. 0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:34.080 The coach takes it the hardest. Y'all don't realize that 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.759 because you always think like I got y'all to play 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:41.279 together and work together. But when you can't get two 0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:44.440 to work together, you can't win, and people don't understand 0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:46.520 that you can be as good as you want. Always 0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.640 look back on the Clippers team, if we had had cooperation, 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.799 we had it the first year we just lost all right, 0:52:53.280 --> 0:52:55.360 But then you didn't happen anymore with each other, not 0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:59.040 just with coach player player. If you think you're gonna 0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.879 win without that, isn't that with the one thing y'all 0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:05.400 learned more than anything, like you can't win without. And 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:08.120 for me as a coach, I don't understand why players 0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:11.560 can't see it, like you gotta get along, you gotta 0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:12.000 get up. 0:53:12.360 --> 0:53:14.600 You got when I got to the Clippers. That's when 0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:17.640 I saw the changing dynamic of the league because I 0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:19.839 got there and me coming from where I came from 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.040 with the subjects how we was all together. And I 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:25.319 remember our first I'll never forget our first role game. 0:53:25.920 --> 0:53:28.120 And we had breakfast and so I go into the 0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:31.680 breakfast room and everybody's sitting at different tables and I 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:32.520 was looking like, what. 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:34.799 You mean, I mean you might have CP over here, 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.480 Blake over here. I mean, it was like so spread out. 0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:38.440 I never seen nothing like it. 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:39.040 To wear us. 0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:41.560 We gonna come and say that one or two tables 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:43.920 and talk about what we did last night or the 0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:44.640 facts of the day. 0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:48.040 You know, we're gonna conversation what we gotta do tonight. 0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:52.400 Also, if you had a function, yeah, everybody, everybody. We 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:54.640 had team dinners that I threw everybody. 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:59.200 Yeah, it was it was just it was hard, dude. 0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:01.640 I seen I seen it for the first time and 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:03.880 I was like, I ain't used to this, you know. 0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:06.080 And then they hurd around side. I said, I brought 0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:07.920 everybody in at the table when I was like, y'all 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:10.719 got to be together, sit together, you know. Chris Chris 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:13.279 Paul had a charity event and it was only like 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.040 two of his teammates there, and I looked like I've 0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:18.040 never seen it. I went off the next day and 0:54:18.920 --> 0:54:22.759 like that if you have something you had to you 0:54:22.840 --> 0:54:24.439 had to say that. You have to say it over 0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:27.239 and over, and we never had. And I was like, 0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:28.600 this is time for me to retire. 0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:30.719 Say I got the Philly same stuff, you know, And 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:34.360 and that's where, like, you know, we get into ourselves. 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:37.160 I'm busy. I remember one of the places. Man, I'm busy. 0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:40.880 I got that's like, is it too want to go? 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:42.600 I didn't want to go? 0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:44.080 Do you think I want to? 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:47.640 You know, Kevin and Paul having a big bowling You 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:50.160 think I want to go bowling on Thursday night? No, 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.560 but they're having it, and so it's part of sacrifice 0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:56.920 you go. And that's what you know. Being in the 0:54:57.080 --> 0:55:00.320 uh you know with my daughter uh marri up, you 0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:03.320 kind of hear Steph and then talk about that's what 0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:07.800 they have. It's Steph so something. Everybody's there, jerremand does something. Everybody. 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:10.200 Those are the teams that win. It's no point indent 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:13.960 like when is not an accident. It's either either you 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.799 buy in or you're not. You'll be good, You'll win 0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:19.520 a lot of games, but you ain't gonna be the winner. 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:22.879 I love it, man, you like this year. I'm about 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:24.680 to say who. I don't know who you got to 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:26.920 win it? I don't know right now, I really don't. 0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:31.720 I think Boston in Milwaukee. I think Philly is a sleeper. 0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:32.120 It is. 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:37.600 They are because Joel is he is people. I mean, 0:55:37.680 --> 0:55:40.200 I coach him. He is. He's as good as I've 0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:45.400 ever seen. They're dangerous. And then there's always another team, Miami. 0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:49.240 Miami is always there. In Indiana, you better be careful. 0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:51.720 I would like Indiana you should beat in the playoffs, 0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:52.960 but I would not want to play them in the 0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:59.279 play Orlando and they're deep, deep. And that was about 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:01.960 to say one thing I about these young teams Indiana 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:11.000 in Orlando, they got dogs. Okay, okay, see in the West, Shay, Yeah, 0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:13.600 I mean, listen, I was part of it. 0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:15.360 What you think about that? 0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:18.960 You don't become Shade. 0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:20.880 If he stay on the Clippers, he. 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:22.319 Does, he does, he does. 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:26.360 That's Sam. You can ask Sam. When we did the trade. 0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:28.800 I told Sam, I said, man, I know we gotta 0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:32.920 do this trade, but but Shay is gonna be a superstar. 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:33.279 Man. 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:37.960 Oh, you can see it early, you can. Superstar had 0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:40.799 a great rookie year. And the other thing he has 0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:44.880 is character. He's a high character kid. He works, he 0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:48.840 wants to be coached, he wants like, he invites coaching, 0:56:49.840 --> 0:56:53.440 and he's gotta like people get Shay wrong. Shae's a 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:57.840 dog like. He's got this nice, you know, demeanor, but 0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:01.480 he is a dog like. He wants a tear, but 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:05.040 he doesn't smiling. Then say wants to rip you up 0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:07.879 and you can see it. But now when I look back, 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:12.400 oh my goodness, the six first round picks. Damn, holy goodness. 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:17.720 Wow are you are you worried about Golden State? Any doc? 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:22.080 Yeah? I am. You know, it's just like us towards 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:24.200 the end, you gotta break this up. But they still could. 0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:27.880 They may make her twenty ten run. You know, I 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:29.600 know one thing. Do you want to play go stand 0:57:29.600 --> 0:57:30.600 in the playoffs? No? No? 0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:31.760 And guess what No. 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:36.120 Klay Thompson going through probably arguably his worst time, right, Yeah, 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:37.960 I really believe this. 0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:40.960 You do not stay in this way for too long 0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:42.439 and at some point you come. 0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:42.680 Out of it. 0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:44.000 I'm about like you. 0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:46.880 They are one of them wounded animals that you don't 0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:48.880 want to see and I think they're gonna be better 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:49.600 the second. 0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:53.920 Half of Clay Draymond is stilled. Draymon, Steph is still Steph. 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:58.040 Wiggy is better. All right, Clay is not going to 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:03.320 be the Clay that he was because of injury. Still 0:58:03.440 --> 0:58:05.720 shoot the hell out of the ball and he'll find 0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:09.040 his rhythm there. You know, they may need one more guy, 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:11.960 and I don't know who that's gonna be. But man, 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.160 I would not want to play them in a seven 0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:17.640 game series. They're gonna be if I'm a young team, 0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:21.160 I don't want to play that. No, no, No, Phoenix 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:25.640 is the team though, man Like they're they're built to win. 0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:29.720 They just haven't looked good yet, you know, but they're 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:32.880 but they've had injury. You know, the book gets hurt 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:37.320 because of his style. Books are physical and then Bradley 0:58:37.360 --> 0:58:40.520 ain't played yet and I'm worried about his back. So 0:58:41.440 --> 0:58:43.000 h But when you think about that, and then you 0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:46.520 have Gordon coming off the bench, and they're they're built 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:49.560 to win. So if they get it right, they're gonna 0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:51.080 be tough. But at the end of the day, still 0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:53.720 got to deal with that dude in Denver. He's the 0:58:53.760 --> 0:58:56.600 best player, right now, yeah, because he just does everything. 0:58:56.760 --> 0:59:01.880 Joel is the best score Like for Joker, Joel is 0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:03.960 the only guy that can stop Joel from school. You 0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:08.000 can't stop you know he is. He can do everything. 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:12.640 But but the Joker man, it just makes everybody better. 0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:16.840 They run, they run, the offense, just throw him the ball, 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:20.400 you know. Austin we laugh awesome to this day, says 0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:22.960 he ruined the worst pass in the history of the game. 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:23.600 Uh. 0:59:23.680 --> 0:59:25.840 He said he was cutting through, just talking through. The 0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:28.120 ball came and he caught it. But he's on the 0:59:28.240 --> 0:59:30.200 room he hit it, and he said he watched the 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:33.800 highlights how he saw it where he sees I was 0:59:33.840 --> 0:59:36.200 talking to Bruce to day, he was like, man, it's 0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:38.560 nothing like it. And that's what makes him so good. 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:45.320 He's one of the most dominant selfless players that ever ever, 0:59:46.240 --> 0:59:49.360 Like you don't see a big g be so selfless 0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:50.960 but still so dominanting. 0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:52.720 We am talking about like the West is gonna be 0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:57.360 the West playoffs just gonna be crazy. It's gonna come 0:59:57.400 --> 0:59:59.280 down the matchups. People don't. 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:03.320 I think there's no clear favorite. I think the style 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:05.480 is gonna make the fight. They have to play them 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:06.760 or they have to play them. 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.120 That's going to do. There's certain teams that are maybe 1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:11.200 the best team, but they can Clippers. 1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:12.600 Clippers are playing better. 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:13.560 I said. 1:00:15.000 --> 1:00:18.160 That all yeah, the Clippers, Uh, they're just so talented 1:00:18.160 --> 1:00:21.040 they are wild card. H I agree with that with 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:24.439 the Clippers if they figured that little thing out. Because 1:00:24.800 --> 1:00:27.040 still Kawi people sleep on him. 1:00:27.440 --> 1:00:30.160 I feel like Paul George is taking the lead. He 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:32.960 has scoring for sure. And then James. 1:00:33.400 --> 1:00:35.840 What James has added to them is now they have 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:39.959 Zoo browling, so they have a pick and roll James. 1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:42.960 If you roll, you can get decisions. 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:47.120 The question will be will he feel enough for them 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.320 to win because last year the Clippers were a defensive 1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:50.520 team in a lot of ways. 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:53.720 In a finals picks, Finals picks, who you got? 1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:54.400 I got? 1:00:54.800 --> 1:00:56.800 I got Celtics versus Phoenix? 1:00:57.480 --> 1:00:57.960 Who you got? 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:04.680 You's tough. I'm between Celtics and Boston and the Milwaukee 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:08.960 and I'm not sure I'm gonna go with the Celtics. 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:12.840 But that's a tight one. It's it's uh. And then 1:01:13.080 --> 1:01:19.720 I got I got Denver coming back. They do miss Brown. 1:01:20.040 --> 1:01:21.160 They missed both of those guys. 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:24.680 I don't feel like they're like there're be there are 1:01:24.800 --> 1:01:26.160 champs but they're being slept on. 1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:29.200 But they were slept on last year. Yeah, and Murray 1:01:29.240 --> 1:01:31.520 has been out. I just got back. 1:01:32.640 --> 1:01:34.800 But I don't feel like that. You know, in the past, 1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:37.240 you're like, all right, the team that wanted that next year, 1:01:37.240 --> 1:01:39.240 you're like they I don't. 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:41.400 Yeah, we were better than next year. Yeah, that's what 1:01:41.480 --> 1:01:45.919 I feel like. He didn't get hurt. I think we're 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:46.800 twenty six and three. 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:50.439 Yeah, the other day, Yeah, we're we're we're down. 1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:52.560 There's a couple of teams that the next year that 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:54.920 the year we should have went to and then the 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:57.000 year we asked Shaq that that's start. 1:01:57.520 --> 1:02:00.680 You know, people forget like that's we I think we 1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:03.000 were like fifteen and one. In the game Ship played in. 1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:06.320 He was just too old, couldn't play anywhere. 1:02:06.360 --> 1:02:09.280 His presence alone was yeah, oh man, he was good. 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:12.280 And I remember the one practice where you put Jack 1:02:12.800 --> 1:02:16.200 Shack one of the change coverages and Kevin says, is, Shaq, 1:02:17.280 --> 1:02:18.000 this is what we do. 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:21.320 He got what we do. We got right. 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:25.240 We ain't change it. Remember, give shack Shack was like 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:27.440 That's what I knew. He was on board because he 1:02:27.560 --> 1:02:33.120 was like, OK, we're gonna do it this way, this way. 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:37.439 You know what's funny about Shaq. I haven't been around 1:02:37.480 --> 1:02:39.919 Shack my whole life. Right coached against him, played against 1:02:39.960 --> 1:02:42.480 the one game. I never knew that this is a 1:02:42.520 --> 1:02:44.640 crazy state. I never knew how big he was because 1:02:44.640 --> 1:02:47.120 I've never around him. And you remember, he wanted to 1:02:47.280 --> 1:02:50.160 play with us. So he said, hey, coach, O, can 1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:52.920 I drive over your house? It was in Orlando. I said, yeah, 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:54.880 going over the house, let's talk. He pulls in the 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:57.120 in the semi truck, which I made him park on 1:02:57.160 --> 1:02:59.120 the street. I said, they ain't bring that big thing 1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:02.520 in my driveway, ripped my driveway up. He's a purpose thing, 1:03:05.080 --> 1:03:08.200 no Superman logo. But then he gets out and I 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:11.280 opened the door and I'm looking at him Shot and 1:03:11.360 --> 1:03:15.240 I'm like, Ship is a big dude, you know, like 1:03:15.360 --> 1:03:18.440 you forget trust me? I do I know because you 1:03:18.520 --> 1:03:18.880 have to play. 1:03:18.880 --> 1:03:22.760 Because when we sat on the bench, Sho sit with 1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:26.720 don't see we all here like. 1:03:29.600 --> 1:03:33.400 Slide down man. If Shot is he just couldn't stay healthy. 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:37.160 But if he could have stayed healthy, damn, which tells 1:03:37.160 --> 1:03:37.720 you how good. 1:03:37.600 --> 1:03:44.000 He was because he was his presence, like yeah, thanks 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:44.560 for coming through. 1:03:44.880 --> 1:03:46.960 Was awesome, awesome, by the time, you'll have me on 1:03:47.080 --> 1:03:50.280 y'all show. I'm like, y'all got Tony Allen on the show, 1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:53.840 Rondo on the show, was Edy House on the show. 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:55.520 Now you can have Eddie on. 1:03:55.600 --> 1:04:03.040 He got two sons coming out. Boys. I've been watching 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:04.480 this wasting good fan Yeah. 1:04:04.360 --> 1:04:07.440 They really. I love watching all y'all coaching now, it's hilarious. 1:04:07.480 --> 1:04:10.960 I love watch watching everybody games. You know, the craziest 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:12.760 moment of the team when I thought you're gonna get hurt. 1:04:13.480 --> 1:04:15.959 I swear you're gonna get hurt. When you were gonna 1:04:16.040 --> 1:04:18.520 arm wrestle Big Baby. Listen, that was nuts. 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:21.680 I believe Big Baby, my dog, the only one who 1:04:21.760 --> 1:04:22.360 believed in me. 1:04:22.480 --> 1:04:22.800 Right here. 1:04:22.920 --> 1:04:26.760 You know, look, I think you get hurt no wrestling, 1:04:27.280 --> 1:04:30.040 I said, bet, I'm the only one that bet with him. 1:04:30.080 --> 1:04:30.840 But you didn't believe that. 1:04:31.400 --> 1:04:32.240 No I did. 1:04:32.360 --> 1:04:35.080 I didn't know what so this one. So this is 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:37.960 what you're looking So this what you don't that is 1:04:38.000 --> 1:04:40.160 not stronger than the baby. I'm not saying this. We will, 1:04:40.320 --> 1:04:41.200 we will, we will. 1:04:41.360 --> 1:04:41.560 Listen. 1:04:41.640 --> 1:04:43.200 We would go to the weight room in the morning. 1:04:43.280 --> 1:04:45.440 In the morning, you used to be the jungle and 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:49.760 we watched Big Baby and Leon pold one thirties twenty five. 1:04:50.320 --> 1:04:52.640 I take my little one fifteens and I'm like, okay, man, 1:04:52.680 --> 1:04:57.000 the guys a ticket growing it gets And that's what 1:04:57.160 --> 1:04:59.280 rum me. When I saw how everybody jumped over, I 1:04:59.400 --> 1:04:59.919 was like a word. 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:02.439 He was the funniest thing. I was in the front 1:05:02.520 --> 1:05:07.680 and Randell came and got me. Y'all never knew that coach, Coach, 1:05:08.040 --> 1:05:11.280 you may get back to. I said, for what Kevin 1:05:11.320 --> 1:05:13.240 the big baby about to have him. I'm russell, Kevin 1:05:13.240 --> 1:05:16.600 will get hurt, coach. And when I was sawing, I'm like, 1:05:16.760 --> 1:05:19.840 this dude's gonna get hurt. I thought big Baby would 1:05:19.840 --> 1:05:22.000 just go And I tell you I used that a 1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:26.680 speeches now about will really, because there's no reason big 1:05:26.720 --> 1:05:29.600 Baby shouldn't win. That Kevin starts staring. 1:05:29.320 --> 1:05:35.360 At I told you doubt earlier. He's we slapped. 1:05:35.400 --> 1:05:38.120 I selected you don't even know it stayed right here, listen, 1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:40.680 it's not right for about five minutes, yes, and then 1:05:40.760 --> 1:05:41.440 he waited till. 1:05:41.280 --> 1:05:44.680 Baby got tired. You know, none of this, big fellow, 1:05:44.720 --> 1:05:45.880 Big fella, just say what you want. 1:05:46.000 --> 1:05:46.600 It was amazing. 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:50.640 All ship were moving, big fella, all ship, big fella. 1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:52.480 This movie, he's wating ritching. 1:05:53.920 --> 1:05:55.680 I'm like, let's go. This was uh. 1:05:55.920 --> 1:05:59.440 We're having a team meeting and Joel as Sam can say, 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:02.920 what was the biggest athletic feat you ever seen? It's oh, no, 1:06:03.040 --> 1:06:06.439 that's easy. And I'm thinking he's gonna say, donc He said, 1:06:06.520 --> 1:06:10.160 Kevin Garnett, big big baby in ar wrastl And I 1:06:10.280 --> 1:06:12.080 was like what, And then I thought about it. He 1:06:12.160 --> 1:06:14.960 said it was impossible. But when you see you. 1:06:15.000 --> 1:06:17.160 See the hands together because big Baby got this big. 1:06:17.040 --> 1:06:23.400 Old hand, big we shlopped like this. Yeah, and then 1:06:23.480 --> 1:06:25.200 we ain't got no shirt on. We sweat. 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:27.400 It was some gorilla ship. 1:06:29.640 --> 1:06:31.240 Yeah. We turned the plane into a zoo. 1:06:33.920 --> 1:06:34.080 You know. 1:06:34.240 --> 1:06:37.000 Danny came out to talking with me about it. I said, listen, 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:39.120 the media is in the locker room, so they never 1:06:39.200 --> 1:06:42.480 get a time to ourselves, to themselves. So I said, 1:06:42.480 --> 1:06:44.280 I'm just gonna let them play music. I'm gonna let 1:06:44.320 --> 1:06:48.920 them turn the wild Zone or whatever. So I'm just 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:51.520 gonna let them turn up the plane into nutty was. 1:06:53.240 --> 1:06:53.720 It was. 1:06:55.560 --> 1:07:00.520 Card It was the Junker, but then we lockey. That's oh, 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:01.600 I got I gonna go work man. 1:07:01.600 --> 1:07:04.000 I gotta about man with you today. 1:07:04.320 --> 1:07:06.120 Thank y'all. Man, it's been perfect with that