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Speaker 1: your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and
Speaker 1: David Hellman. It is Tuesday, April the twelfth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: The twenty twenty two NFL Draft is just more than
Speaker 1: two weeks away. Hello, welcome. The Big Voice guy said
Speaker 1: it all, and we're actually we're all here today, all
Speaker 1: four of us back in action. As we tick close
Speaker 1: to the draft, it felt like it would never get here.
Speaker 1: Now it feels like it's way too close, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, which that's where I want to start today.
Speaker 1: We are in the height of lying season right now,
Speaker 1: Like this is the time of year where I think,
Speaker 1: for the most part, you've done what you can do.
Speaker 1: They the hey might not be in the barn, but
Speaker 1: like you know the talking points, you know the players,
Speaker 1: and now there's just a whole bunch of smoke messing
Speaker 1: up the top of the draft, and in a year
Speaker 1: where there's not a slam dunk number one prospect or
Speaker 1: a generational quarterback, I think it's even more confusing. First
Speaker 1: of all, like would y'all agree with that? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. You know. The thing that and we were
Speaker 1: talking about it here in a little bit pre show,
Speaker 1: was the doubt you have on certain players. You know,
Speaker 1: did you? You're now having to fight for guys against
Speaker 1: a room that might not believe what you're thinking. And
Speaker 1: that's that that's the that's the biggest problem that scouts
Speaker 1: are dealing with right now. Is you know, you love
Speaker 1: it when you start to present a report and you're
Speaker 1: trying to get that tag on the board or get
Speaker 1: it in the stack, and you're fighting for a player
Speaker 1: and you've got guys that are going with you on that.
Speaker 1: That makes your job a heck of a lot easier.
Speaker 1: But there's some of these players on this board, and
Speaker 1: I think it's because the inconsistency of a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys that trying to get them right is the
Speaker 1: big struggle right now. Which you're totally right, and I
Speaker 1: we said this before the show, like I completely understand
Speaker 1: how the group think and echo chamber mentality happens because
Speaker 1: it's got to be scary as hell, especially like if
Speaker 1: we miss on a guy, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: You know? But if they'll let you know, fans will
Speaker 1: let you know, are you are you? Are you gonna
Speaker 1: hear it for a couple of years? Are you gonna
Speaker 1: get fired? If Lakwan Treadwell turns out to not be
Speaker 1: a great player, Oops, you're gonna move on us? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Talk about us? Yeah? I fired? That's the That is
Speaker 1: the terrifying thing for people that do this professionally. If
Speaker 1: you've got a two on a guy, yeah, and the
Speaker 1: rest of the room has a five on a guy
Speaker 1: and it's your livelihood on the line, that sounds absolutely terrified.
Speaker 1: So I understand how these grades sort of gravitate toward
Speaker 1: a mean where they kind of agree with each other. Well,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen is interesting. Take example Walker for Georgia,
Speaker 1: which I mean, the media scouts have got this thing
Speaker 1: just pumped up. And I'm not talking about just us
Speaker 1: media scouts. I'm talking like Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, guys
Speaker 1: who were professional scouts in the business are now pumping
Speaker 1: air into a guy. You know Jeff comes on here
Speaker 1: and is talking about listen. I mean, we had a
Speaker 1: mock draft situation where this guy was our pick, and
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, now he's sixteen, and now
Speaker 1: he's two, you know, and then I agree with him.
Speaker 1: There's four or five guys that I might think that
Speaker 1: there might be a better rushers than him. That's the
Speaker 1: scary thing, right. I love the way that you can
Speaker 1: read my mind because I didn't send you a rundown today, Nope,
Speaker 1: But that's exactly what I want to talk about. I
Speaker 1: brainstormed this idea with Jeff. Credit to you, Jeffrey. I
Speaker 1: think there are five or six some chips, probably always
Speaker 1: I think there are there are five or six names.
Speaker 1: I just want to go over in terms of like
Speaker 1: what are we missing? What are we not talking about?
Speaker 1: And and Trayvon Walker is chief among them because in
Speaker 1: the span of a month, he, like you just said,
Speaker 1: he's being mocked as the number one overall pick a
Speaker 1: month after being a top fifteen guy. So what's what's
Speaker 1: the deal here? And without trying to let other narratives
Speaker 1: influence you, what is your opinion of him? Oh? I
Speaker 1: can get to the notes because the notes aren't gonna
Speaker 1: say top five player. Hold on, I mean it's quay
Speaker 1: Walker that's different. Here we go. Um, I saw Trayvon Walkers,
Speaker 1: a guy that you could tell was for his size,
Speaker 1: like full size defensive end. You went, oh wow, really
Speaker 1: good athlete. Like I'm watching this guy dropping coverage and
Speaker 1: then change direction to go make a tackle, and you
Speaker 1: can see that it's a big dude. That's a really
Speaker 1: good athlete. I wrote that he moves like he's two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty pounds even though he's two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five. But I also wrote, my question is how
Speaker 1: good of a pass rusher is? He doesn't look all
Speaker 1: that Bendy, doesn't have an array of pass rush moves
Speaker 1: yet good linear athlete with power. Now, linear athlete was
Speaker 1: disproven by his athletic testing. He's clearly athletic enough to
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. But I think on tape Trayvon
Speaker 1: Walker is like the tenth best pass rusher in this class,
Speaker 1: maybe fifteenth. So I do think you're projecting his athletic
Speaker 1: traits to translate in the NFL with coaching into a
Speaker 1: really good pass rusher, because he was not that in college.
Speaker 1: If you're into the nerd stuff. His pass rush win
Speaker 1: rate was like half of that of the other top
Speaker 1: edge prospects. Yeah, you know, and really a clear understanding
Speaker 1: of this is how Georgia played him. You know, when
Speaker 1: they went nickel, they put him at nose. They didn't
Speaker 1: even keep him on the outside. Thinking, now, you you know,
Speaker 1: when you play knows you're as a pass rush, you're
Speaker 1: having to deal with a center, a couple of guards,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff. So to me, they
Speaker 1: didn't even really keep him on the outside. And you know,
Speaker 1: to me, I just kind of look at this. I
Speaker 1: think Jeff's riot about this. I mean, I think there's
Speaker 1: some there's some some good workout numbers, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if it necessarily translates into like the first or
Speaker 1: second overall pick in this draft. I wouldn't think that
Speaker 1: he would be the best player in this draft. That
Speaker 1: that I never when I watched his tape, and this
Speaker 1: is even before all the athletic numbers. You could watch
Speaker 1: him against Arkansas and Clemson and some of these teams
Speaker 1: and you're going, well, he's a good player, but is
Speaker 1: he the first or second overall player? I find it
Speaker 1: the tape doesn't show me that I agree with that,
Speaker 1: and I like him probably a little bit more than
Speaker 1: most people, I guess if you're looking at first round guys,
Speaker 1: but I still don't have them anywhere near the Aid
Speaker 1: and Hutchinson's out of Michigan or the Cavon Thibodeaus. In
Speaker 1: terms of that edge rusher class, I think it's those
Speaker 1: two guys a considerable difference because Walker is that third
Speaker 1: and fourth guy. He's right there with George carloft Is
Speaker 1: because they both have just a little bit of that knock.
Speaker 1: I don't think Walker's as strong as those guys. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's athletic as or as athletic, even though
Speaker 1: the numbers, like you said, stood up at some of
Speaker 1: the best numbers in the class. And then I also
Speaker 1: on tapes all inconsistency. He goes up and he tears
Speaker 1: up Alabama in the National Championship game. That's the game
Speaker 1: that everybody remembers. Then you turn around you see him
Speaker 1: kind of struggle a little bit against Kentucky, and he
Speaker 1: goes up against our guys second round. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the other offensive tackle, left tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had some issues there. And then against Clemson or
Speaker 1: Thorndale from last year, the kid, the guy that I
Speaker 1: watched la the other guy I was mentioning. But he
Speaker 1: struggles against those guys. He struggles a little bit against Clemson.
Speaker 1: And so there's that inconsistency that goes along with the
Speaker 1: very much so enticing pros. There are so many things,
Speaker 1: little cons that are gonna nag at you that I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I don't think top two or top
Speaker 1: three is even remotely close to this guy's worth. Jeff
Speaker 1: kind of touched on this. Can you at least talk
Speaker 1: yourself in the idea of his potential, like if he's
Speaker 1: if he's in the right situation with like a good
Speaker 1: D line coach, good you know, Let's say we're to
Speaker 1: go to Jacksonville where he's got Josh Allen on the
Speaker 1: other side of the line. Can I sell you on
Speaker 1: that at all he's with the best team in the country,
Speaker 1: best defense in the country. Or I don't think he don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we're watching a player from Connecticut but
Speaker 1: not one of those finished products though, I mean, he yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't, you know. And the I think Jeff has
Speaker 1: said this before, he's not he doesn't rush as well
Speaker 1: as Thibadeau. You can watch the tape and see that
Speaker 1: and there you're going, oh, okay, I see it this.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a guy to me that I think
Speaker 1: is going to be you know, Corloftus. I've Corloftus over
Speaker 1: this guy as a rusher, So I mean to me,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, yeah, sure, but this guy
Speaker 1: also play with the best defense in the country on
Speaker 1: a national championship team. The defensive coordinator ends up getting
Speaker 1: a head coaching job at Oregon, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: he didn't. It's not like he went to some small
Speaker 1: school as a head coach and he wasn't just doing
Speaker 1: it by himself. He had all the help in the world.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of players. There might be five
Speaker 1: first round picks from George's defense, honestly, maybe all in
Speaker 1: the front seven. Jordan Davis, DeVante Wyatt. If you get
Speaker 1: into Kobe Deane Walker sneak Lewis scene in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see Trayvon Walker, he could go five. I think it's
Speaker 1: way Walker has way Walker could sneak in there too,
Speaker 1: for sure. The other one, which I don't think we've
Speaker 1: spent more than forty five seconds talking about Cavon Thibodeaux
Speaker 1: because it's just it feels like a waste of time
Speaker 1: on a Cowboys podcast. But in terms of understanding the
Speaker 1: first round, I would like to know more, just in
Speaker 1: the sense of, like, if he slips the way people
Speaker 1: are projecting, is that lying season bs or at the
Speaker 1: very least, is it just it's that unknowable off the
Speaker 1: field rumor people people, Yeah, that's the problem. That won't
Speaker 1: be I mean you could, you could watch the tape
Speaker 1: and clearly see one of the best players in the draft.
Speaker 1: The problem is do you like the attitude? Do you
Speaker 1: want to deal with maybe him being a branding guy?
Speaker 1: Do you want to you know, there's all kinds of
Speaker 1: things that teams will just not This team here will
Speaker 1: would love him. The team other teams around the league
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't love how much he is into that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff he need, like a clothing line in the
Speaker 1: pro shop type of Oh sure, okay, yeah, he would,
Speaker 1: he would have his and he'd go and model for you.
Speaker 1: Probably we can make that work. Well. It reminds me
Speaker 1: of Khalil Mack, Like I think that's what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: where it's not a two hundred and seventy pound guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was thinking or whatever, but like he is an
Speaker 1: absolute handful whatever whatever right tackle is unfortunate enough to
Speaker 1: line up against him. If he bullrushes you, he's going
Speaker 1: through you. He can dip, he can generate power from
Speaker 1: odd angles. Like Cavon Thibodeau is a stud. The only
Speaker 1: thing stopping him from being a top three lock is
Speaker 1: whatever the stuff is that I don't know, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I have not interviewed him or whatever the background is.
Speaker 1: It's making people go, what a football The tape on
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeaux. Trayvon Walker dreams of having that tape. Part
Speaker 1: of me believes that it is some of that lying
Speaker 1: that smoke kind of thrown out in the world because
Speaker 1: he's an easy target because he has the off the
Speaker 1: field ego. I mean, Dane Brugler said it himself at
Speaker 1: the combine. He said, whenever you're pulling up a chair
Speaker 1: for Cavon Tibodeau to give him an interview, you have
Speaker 1: to pull up another chair for the ego. You gotta
Speaker 1: put another one right next to him because there's so
Speaker 1: much of that carrying over. I have a professional ego,
Speaker 1: so hey, and we got an extra extra couple chairs
Speaker 1: on the We got chairs, they're in the room. But
Speaker 1: with Cavon Thibodeau, it may just make him that easy
Speaker 1: target to say, hey, we're just not gonna let it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna slip. He's gonna he's gonna fall. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's the first or second player
Speaker 1: taken off the board, and that's exactly where he needs
Speaker 1: to be whenever his tape is out there. Jeff, is
Speaker 1: he here? Top rated guy? I have Hutchinson is number
Speaker 1: one because I just think Hutchinson is the safe, safer pick.
Speaker 1: I mean buying production, with the traits, with the athleticism.
Speaker 1: Hutchinson is really really, really good. Thibodeau. I think if
Speaker 1: you were saying, hey, it's third and seven, which one
Speaker 1: you're putting in there too? And I want to get
Speaker 1: the quarterback right now, give me Thibodeau, I'd probably go Thibodeaux.
Speaker 1: Have Thibodeau number one. And you know it's funny. I
Speaker 1: go back and I watch if you want to watch
Speaker 1: what we were talking about, what sailor the kid from
Speaker 1: George George. All of a sudden he's playing against those
Speaker 1: Michigan kids, and you're kind of like going huh. If
Speaker 1: you want to watch a good tape at him blocking
Speaker 1: a couple of guys, that gives you a good idea there.
Speaker 1: I think that. I think to me, I think Jeff's
Speaker 1: right about this. You want if you want a guy
Speaker 1: at third and seven to get home on a rush,
Speaker 1: Thibodeau's gonna get home. Hey, Hutchinson can get home. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a little bit more involved there.
Speaker 1: I do wonder too, the draft industry has become year round.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that plays a role in
Speaker 1: some of this, I think. And Derek Stingley is working
Speaker 1: through it too. That's another guy. Derek Stingley and came on.
Speaker 1: Thibodeaux have been in the top ten of mock drafts
Speaker 1: for like two years at this point. Yeah, like boredom
Speaker 1: well in Stingley. Now it's like he's hey, guys, he's
Speaker 1: going back up after his pro day. His Pro day
Speaker 1: doesn't move anyway at all. He's the athlete you already
Speaker 1: knew he was. I'm not so much thinking about right now.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, Dane's gonna turn around and do
Speaker 1: a mock draft like two days after this draft ends,
Speaker 1: two years ago or excuse me a year ago because
Speaker 1: he was so young. I mean Stingley was in the
Speaker 1: top five of that. Thibodeau, if you follow the draft,
Speaker 1: has been a name number one people have known forever.
Speaker 1: And sure you would prefer a guy to be mature
Speaker 1: enough to not care about that. But that's probably a
Speaker 1: hard thing to do when people tell you from the
Speaker 1: age of nineteen that you're twelve to twenty four months
Speaker 1: removed from being very, very rich. I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: something he's probably pretty hard to come back against. We
Speaker 1: need to get used to this because in future draft shows,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about kids that had these in
Speaker 1: il stuff and making hundreds of thousand dollars, maybe millions
Speaker 1: of dollars with branding and stuff like that. This is
Speaker 1: going to be We've we've had to adjust in the
Speaker 1: league as evaluators. We've had to adjust to the Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray's as the first overall picks. So this is only
Speaker 1: going to change you better. You know, you sit there
Speaker 1: and you don't want to take Thibadeau because he's a
Speaker 1: branding expert or whatever you're you're you're you're missing out.
Speaker 1: Don't don't. Don't let a great player go by because
Speaker 1: you have this this a version of a guy that
Speaker 1: likes to, you know, to try and promote himself. And
Speaker 1: I do think like I mean, NFL team's fall into
Speaker 1: that trap all the time. Absolutely, that is such a
Speaker 1: good point because you're looking down the line, You're looking
Speaker 1: at some of these quarterbacks that are getting the deals.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Texas and Quinn. You ers, he
Speaker 1: goes to Ohio State League arle early and then he
Speaker 1: goes to Texas. He's going to get massive deals in
Speaker 1: Texas and then he'll be a top pick if everything
Speaker 1: plays out the way that it should. I mean, there
Speaker 1: are guys like this arch Manning, what the younger Manning
Speaker 1: that's coming up through the high school ranks is going
Speaker 1: to be in that regard as well. I mean, there
Speaker 1: are going to be guys that not only could have
Speaker 1: those pro shop lines, but already have them in the
Speaker 1: back pocket. It's been at least two weeks since we've
Speaker 1: had an argument about Jordan Davis. Oh fun, as we
Speaker 1: get closer to this thing, and he is, at this
Speaker 1: point again in the eyes of the media machine, is
Speaker 1: a pretty much consensus top fifteen pick. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about that? And what like, where where do you
Speaker 1: have him packed? I'd do it. If any of you
Speaker 1: guys are scared, you can always count on you for that.
Speaker 1: Jeff Jordan Davis, at three hundred sixty pounds, tested as
Speaker 1: the most athletic defensive tackle prospect of all time. He
Speaker 1: ain't that on tape. He ain't that. No, he's the
Speaker 1: second or third best defensive tackle in George's roster. He
Speaker 1: is a space eating dude that ran a really impressive
Speaker 1: forty on tape. I bet you if you count every
Speaker 1: play he made outside the tackle box, you ain't a
Speaker 1: fill hand. Yeah, you won't get to five. So, like,
Speaker 1: he is a really big, really strong run stuff guy.
Speaker 1: But like when I go back to the nose tackle
Speaker 1: that I want you to be if you're going to
Speaker 1: be a top fifteen pick, he don't move on a
Speaker 1: football field like Vitavea did. Yeah, vit to ba. I
Speaker 1: give you some pass rush. Yeah. Jordan Davis was a
Speaker 1: space eater. And if a team thinks that with his
Speaker 1: measurable athleticism, offers the upside to be a top fifteen pick,
Speaker 1: then more power to him. At twenty four. If the
Speaker 1: Cowboys took Jordan Davis, depending on who is available. I
Speaker 1: might go, okay, but I would totally understand a team
Speaker 1: being like, dude, we're not using a first round pick
Speaker 1: on a run stuff. Yeah. I get an argument with
Speaker 1: I think John Owning about this because the on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and it was about because I've seen how much Nickel
Speaker 1: does dan Quinn play a lot? Is he going to
Speaker 1: be on Is this guy going to be on the
Speaker 1: field as a pass rusher all the time? You know?
Speaker 1: And no disrespect to John if you're listening, but I
Speaker 1: just kind of thought, how would you use this guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would use them early down stuff. Look what they
Speaker 1: do at Georgia. They take him off the field in
Speaker 1: some pass rushing situation. Yes, you know, so to me,
Speaker 1: I agree with Jeff and and I think there's things
Speaker 1: about him, the athletic stuff. This is guy's a freak
Speaker 1: of nature. Is a vita va? No, he's absolutely not,
Speaker 1: you know. And on my board, with the way he sits.
Speaker 1: When I put this thing out, you're gonna see him.
Speaker 1: I got him in the second round, got twenty first
Speaker 1: round grades, and he's not one of my twenty first
Speaker 1: round grades. You know, he's somewhere in that mix. We've
Speaker 1: talked about him all the time. Somewhere between twenty four
Speaker 1: and maybe thirty two, somewhere he's a you know, he's
Speaker 1: kind of maybe in that spot. But I don't I
Speaker 1: agree with Jeff on that do you think? Sorry, real quick,
Speaker 1: Cole was gonna say, I kind of disagree, Okay, I
Speaker 1: think I think he is. I think he is a
Speaker 1: first round pick. And I get the thought process because
Speaker 1: at least the Georgie you look on the film, he
Speaker 1: didn't pass rush, he didn't get out to the to
Speaker 1: the numbers, he didn't go sideline. The sideline left and
Speaker 1: eighty eight came in. They played better do a certain ex.
Speaker 1: Jayleen Carter is gonna be a top ten pick. I
Speaker 1: was about to say, Jay Carton's phenomenal, So Davante Wyatt.
Speaker 1: I also didn't have to get to the outside of
Speaker 1: the whole lot because he had the Kobe Deane behind him,
Speaker 1: because he had Trey Von Walker on the outside, because
Speaker 1: he had Quay Walker coming on the back end as well.
Speaker 1: He didn't have to do a whole lot of that.
Speaker 1: So basically his role at Georgia was run stuffing, because
Speaker 1: that was the role that he was kind of pigeonholed
Speaker 1: into because he was on a defense that's so historic.
Speaker 1: I think he could bring that to the table. I
Speaker 1: think I see a little bit of that athleticism when
Speaker 1: you watch the tape and there are a couple plays
Speaker 1: where he does get outside. Like you said, maybe you
Speaker 1: can't count on one finger. I saw four, maybe three,
Speaker 1: But I only watched five games of this guy. So
Speaker 1: turn around and maybe you put him on a roster
Speaker 1: and he's able to play three downs in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He shows you something that he didn't necessarily have to
Speaker 1: show you while he was at Georgia. I'd rather have
Speaker 1: Wyatt than him. He's a good player too, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean they're both people. When people semi mock drafts
Speaker 1: where Wyatt's the number twenty four pick, I get happy
Speaker 1: for those people. I think those people get it. I
Speaker 1: really do. Give me, give me the disruptive three technique.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be an Eagle. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: think he would be here though, because they've spent so
Speaker 1: much on three techniques and each of the last one.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not. I'm just saying I just know.
Speaker 1: I I mean, I'm here. I'm just talking about as
Speaker 1: a player. I'm talking about as a player. I think
Speaker 1: the team that selects him, when they do, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be that's that team I think gets a pick, it'll
Speaker 1: be the right thing. Yeah, I think the team will
Speaker 1: get it real cool. Like when you see a Trayvon
Speaker 1: Walker climbed to number one overall, Like when a Daniel
Speaker 1: Jeremiah puts him up there. We kind of sit there
Speaker 1: and say, like somebody who knows stuff is telling him this.
Speaker 1: That is the end, which is the problem. Not to
Speaker 1: take anything away from his scouting a billing. If it
Speaker 1: scares you, yeah, it scares you. You You know when when
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden, when you sit there and
Speaker 1: you don't particularly like somebody and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it's pumped up by three or four different guys.
Speaker 1: That's a scary thought. And we're all jones. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: all we all don't want to be on that island,
Speaker 1: but you know, we will will die on that island
Speaker 1: if we have to. I mean, there's there's like I said, Hey,
Speaker 1: this is what I saw, and someday somebody will say, oh, yo,
Speaker 1: you were wrong about that guy. Fine, I was wrong
Speaker 1: about that guy, But how about the other guys I
Speaker 1: was right about that, you didn't. Right, just predict earlier
Speaker 1: on all of them. You'll get a lot of it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's going to be a better percentage. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: think I can't. It's funny this, this whole thing with Walker.
Speaker 1: When we first started this process, Walker was a popular
Speaker 1: mock pick to Dallas at twenty four, and then and
Speaker 1: then he became a popular mock pick to somebody at fifteen,
Speaker 1: and then he became a popular mock pick to the
Speaker 1: Lions at two. Can I add what I believe spurred this?
Speaker 1: Because last night Dave and I had a nice romantic dinner.
Speaker 1: We did watch some Harry Potter, a couple of Harry Potters,
Speaker 1: and uh, and I believe this came from did it
Speaker 1: goes back to the group think thing because I fall
Speaker 1: victim to it on accident, And like, I take pride
Speaker 1: in watching the ship and putting guys where they belong. Sure,
Speaker 1: but then if you see the entire world, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy is a top three whatever in this class,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I got him in the fifth round.
Speaker 1: Go back and watch him. Like, but you know, I
Speaker 1: just the other day I went back through all my
Speaker 1: receiver notes and I was like, no, no, forget anything,
Speaker 1: no outside noise. And my notes, how are these wide
Speaker 1: receivers ranked? And my wide receivers are Garrett Wilson at
Speaker 1: Ohio State number one, Sky Moore at Western Michigan number two,
Speaker 1: George Pickens at Georgia number three. Yeah, that's my top
Speaker 1: three with no outside noise. And like, I think it
Speaker 1: was the kind of group think that stopped me for
Speaker 1: a while from putting George Pickens where me watching his
Speaker 1: tape said he belongs, which is in the first round.
Speaker 1: And if you just go, hey, I watched him play,
Speaker 1: how good is he? And would I take him over
Speaker 1: that guy? My honest answer is yeah, I would take
Speaker 1: George Pickens over Trail and Burke's over Jamison Williams over
Speaker 1: Drake London over Chris Olave. So that's one man's opinion,
Speaker 1: but it goes into that whole deal where it's like
Speaker 1: group think, forget it. Here's what I saw. Yeah, guy,
Speaker 1: that's your island. Then you're and I respect the fact,
Speaker 1: then that's what you're supposed to do, is that's you
Speaker 1: standing on that island. And there are not a whole
Speaker 1: lot of people that are gonna put the sky More
Speaker 1: up there, or George Pickens in the mix with the
Speaker 1: Olabes and the Londons and the Wilsons. I like that.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good, good idea on your side.
Speaker 1: I just hope this draft has I hope it's as
Speaker 1: wacky as I think it will be. It will be
Speaker 1: with the no quarterbacks and then the uncertainty with teams
Speaker 1: with multiple first round picks, you might see some people
Speaker 1: do some crazy things to try and move around and
Speaker 1: see what they need to do. Are we sure there's
Speaker 1: no quarterbacks up there? Well, you know what it looks
Speaker 1: like to me that. I mean, I know my personal board,
Speaker 1: corral is the only first round quarterback that I have,
Speaker 1: and then Willis is the next one, and pick it
Speaker 1: and all those other guys. But I think Willis's potential
Speaker 1: as too enticing. Oh no, no, no, absolutely, the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: stewers are going to pick a quarterback. You know, you
Speaker 1: look at Pittsburg Panther, Yeah, you look at you look
Speaker 1: at you look Carolina very well. I mean, Philadelphia might
Speaker 1: take a quarter Philip Philadelphia might see and I talk
Speaker 1: about not going to but yeah, it's niting these guys.
Speaker 1: It's funny visits. I forgot which one, but I saw
Speaker 1: one the other day where Philly is doing a thirty.
Speaker 1: They brought Corral and didn't it. Maybe it was Correla Wow, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So they're talking about how Jalen hurts as our guy.
Speaker 1: Whether I could have felt like that Philadelphia was doing
Speaker 1: this like getting next year's one, Wait until next year,
Speaker 1: wait till next year and kind of see that maybe
Speaker 1: that we don't want to take the buying season. Maybe
Speaker 1: they wanted to throw you off. It was Correl so Correll.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're maybe a false to the second for Philly.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm really what the commanders do
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Speaker 1: edition of Star magazine is out. It's available digitally It's
Speaker 1: available in pro shops and stores regionally. Uh geez, we
Speaker 1: got is the Cowboys first Round pick on that cover?
Speaker 1: Which one do you think it is? If you had
Speaker 1: to guess which one? Yen Knygreen. In retrospect, I wish
Speaker 1: we had put Zion on the ID too, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's okay. I just thought Trent McDuffie's purple and gold
Speaker 1: color looks great. The color looks great. Every year I
Speaker 1: marvel of how I mean the content stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: we worked on it for a long time, I know,
Speaker 1: but always marveled how great that the cover was. So that.
Speaker 1: I love how you guys made Nao Kobe Deane the
Speaker 1: biggest guy. Yeah five four, we're trying to manifest some stuff,
Speaker 1: and then made the center the smallest guy, which you
Speaker 1: probably need to pump him up a little bit. Rio two,
Speaker 1: Rio two. Yeah, my man puts out ricks in his pocket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had either that or the guy that was weighing
Speaker 1: him likes him and put his foot two on the
Speaker 1: scale to kind of help him. I'm fine, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm choosing to ignore that he's not a thirty visit
Speaker 1: and just I'm just going to continue to pretend like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will consider him. Maybe I'll be right. We
Speaker 1: got Deely lucky two years ago with this draft guy
Speaker 1: because they put uh CJ. Henderson on the front. And
Speaker 1: then there was one other guy I can't remember who
Speaker 1: it was, Jason, Oh, it was it was Caleb and Jason,
Speaker 1: and then Ceedee Lamb was just a throw in because
Speaker 1: he was Ceedee Lamb, because he was one of those
Speaker 1: top guys. And then of course he ended up thinking
Speaker 1: I always argue with our bosses. I'm like, why are
Speaker 1: we need to be putting cowboy targets on the cover?
Speaker 1: Nobody cares if Kyler Murray's on the cover of our
Speaker 1: draft magazine. But I think they threw in CD that
Speaker 1: year because he's an Oklahoma covers Like, I was like,
Speaker 1: why are we putting Ceedee Lamb on this magazine? And
Speaker 1: sure enough he's well, Nick's happy that Arkansas guys on
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a parade in this building. Rob
Speaker 1: Phillips Day and guy, I think the pick has been
Speaker 1: three the three years in a row on the cover. Right,
Speaker 1: We're not We're not terrible at this, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we're not the Maybe we're not the best, but we're
Speaker 1: not all. We've done it for a long time though.
Speaker 1: All right, we plugged the magazine. Beemer hit me with
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Speaker 1: your questions which ran you alluded to it, Ryan Nobi.
Speaker 1: Ryan says, can we do division needs? With the Giants
Speaker 1: holding two picks in the top ten commanders at eleven
Speaker 1: and now Philly has two picks instead of three, there
Speaker 1: will be a lot of NFC East teams drafting ahead
Speaker 1: of the couch. I was on the Giants podcast the
Speaker 1: other day. They're talking about Sauce Gardener and they're talking
Speaker 1: about a right tackle, so they're looking corner safety. I
Speaker 1: think you need skill in Philadelphia. There's some things about
Speaker 1: maybe getting rid of a Rigor, so maybe they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do some some upgrading there. That's a shame.
Speaker 1: Ragor needs to go someplace else and go be a star,
Speaker 1: because I think he's capable of that. Um the commanders,
Speaker 1: what about skill there? About wide receivers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Look like they're okay with Logan Thomas as a tight end.
Speaker 1: You know, they've got a really quality running back. Maybe
Speaker 1: an offensive line was looking a little beat up at
Speaker 1: the end with them, but quarterback linebacker with them sometimes
Speaker 1: two yeah, either Devin Lloyd or n Kobe because they're
Speaker 1: aging there a little bit. I think they drafted the
Speaker 1: kid from Kentucky there, jam and Davis. It was okay,
Speaker 1: yeah he had he had. I thought he was going
Speaker 1: to play a lot better for them. I really really
Speaker 1: did it. May still he was just a rook. They're
Speaker 1: thinking about what they got safety. I think I think
Speaker 1: Washington's I think Washington's dream pick would be Kyle Hamilton
Speaker 1: because they didn't they didn't bring back Landon Collins. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: you laugh. But like Kyle Hamilton, safety number two. He
Speaker 1: can do it all. He could just be a wait,
Speaker 1: who's safety number one? Oh, dex Hill. Yeah, okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I guess we visit notes and be like, screw the world.
Speaker 1: Here's what I think. This sounds weird because looking in
Speaker 1: my island, one would be a top eleven pick. I'm
Speaker 1: just going, I'm just going, Tom Hanks, Kyle Hamilton just
Speaker 1: reminds me of Jaron Curse. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just didn't take your body what you would be
Speaker 1: asking him to do. Do you think that's worth it?
Speaker 1: Amazing this time though, I know. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: weird comparison. Compare on wasn't us seventh? We're just pick
Speaker 1: but yeah, we just compared a we just compared a
Speaker 1: guy that we absolutely hated to a guy that's good.
Speaker 1: Likely be true, we're comparing the guy who played really
Speaker 1: good NFL box safety this year, but this year we
Speaker 1: would have never is a rookie does what Jaron Curse
Speaker 1: just did this year, he'd be phenomenal, would be a
Speaker 1: big success. Yeah, see that's you know. I think the
Speaker 1: one strength that Curse has is his ability to tackle.
Speaker 1: I think that's the strength of Hamilton. Kyle Hamilt raised
Speaker 1: tight ends and tackle. Yeah, that's what we could do.
Speaker 1: I think the Giants have to come out with a
Speaker 1: tackle in the first round. I think one of those
Speaker 1: five or seven they have to come out with one
Speaker 1: of those tackles. Washington, I wouldn't be surprised if they
Speaker 1: spent a wide receiver pick at eleven. I think that's possible.
Speaker 1: To Wilson, Rivera basically has just like he's just got
Speaker 1: a neon sign. That's like I want the Buckeye receivers.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they don't go defense, I think it
Speaker 1: would be one of those two. And then could you
Speaker 1: see Philly maybe taking an edge rusher in one of
Speaker 1: those two picks, defensive tackle, their defensive line. They're trying
Speaker 1: to think about how to get ready for life because
Speaker 1: they brought in what's ready post Brandon Graham. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: name an edge rusher or a d tackle and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to fill either one of those or
Speaker 1: offensive line. Corloftis could be theirante why and I think
Speaker 1: you said that in the last segment it's gonna be
Speaker 1: their two picks. I think I'd have to see Philly
Speaker 1: draft the linebacker in the first round to believe it.
Speaker 1: Linebacker with the Eagles is kind of like safety with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. They just refused the wide receiver with the Packers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just refused to ever spend a big resource on it.
Speaker 1: Or the Packers going to draft the wide receiver. There's
Speaker 1: topic George Pickens. You know, it's funny. They do like Pickens,
Speaker 1: They really really do. I mean, and don't throw the
Speaker 1: I mean, don't don't discount that at twenty eight. I
Speaker 1: mean talking to some people up there, shout them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is not from Jeffrey Kavano, but a different. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: could have just asked us. He just no, it's not
Speaker 1: a no. But you said the sky. Actually he said
Speaker 1: sky in the first second state fine skymore could player
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Moore over it? No. Charlie Kohler the Iowa State
Speaker 1: Titans like him, He just doesn't. He just wants to
Speaker 1: know more, you know what. I think the thing it's
Speaker 1: really really a fascinating draft, and I don't ever remember
Speaker 1: one where there were so many tight ends that were
Speaker 1: six seven. You know, Cole Turner from the Nevada is
Speaker 1: a six seven guy. You know, Kohler's the six seven
Speaker 1: guy as well. I think the thing with him is
Speaker 1: when you deal with guys that big, that get down
Speaker 1: the field, it makes it hard for defensive backs to
Speaker 1: defend him, especially when they extend, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: they're hitting forearms and wrists and stuff as the balls
Speaker 1: being caught. And I think that's where you know where
Speaker 1: you look at Kohler. I mean for six seven guys
Speaker 1: two fifty six body control balance, I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: he's really works well in small areas and you could
Speaker 1: see him down in the red zone and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Brock Purdy's kind of like by the way, I think
Speaker 1: Brock he's gonna be here. He might not get drafted,
Speaker 1: but I think he's gonna be here as a quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's Kellen Moore, but that but see, but that's where
Speaker 1: you watch Brock Purty throw the ball and you're like going, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I see you know. And that's where Charlie Kohler.
Speaker 1: I think it was a pretty good job. I think
Speaker 1: that when you talk about him, he presents himself as
Speaker 1: a really good target. And we could say the same
Speaker 1: about Dalton Scholtz. I mean, that's what Dalton Scholtz really does.
Speaker 1: It's kind of what it reminded me of if these
Speaker 1: bigger guys. I mean, he's way bigger than Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 1: and he prevents or he presents that target. But he's
Speaker 1: got good hands, he can elevate, he can go up
Speaker 1: and get it in traffic. But he left a little
Speaker 1: bit to be desired in the blocking category. He's He's
Speaker 1: a shield wall guy, is what he is. He's not Ken.
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted some oomph to him. I wanted
Speaker 1: some powers. Didn't really see that. There's gonna be a
Speaker 1: day and age where we talk about these tight ends
Speaker 1: as not being blockers anymore. They're just pass catchers, different
Speaker 1: time of receiver. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna just gonna say, Matt,
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna put a tackle in there, going balanced.
Speaker 1: You know, you know we saw a guard play fullback
Speaker 1: last year. I mean, people are going to figure out,
Speaker 1: like these tight ends if like if we if we
Speaker 1: put a tackle or a guard in and we run
Speaker 1: the ball, big deal, we got six seven yards. We
Speaker 1: move on. You know, I don't think there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a day at day and age we talk about tight
Speaker 1: ends totally being detached from being inline position another thing.
Speaker 1: I'm honestly I think that's a thing right now. Sorry, Kyle.
Speaker 1: I think all NFL teams are like I, we'll teach
Speaker 1: him how to get in the way. I found myself
Speaker 1: talking to people far less about blocking tight ends than
Speaker 1: I have guys that Blockhea. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody on their coaching staff throughout the season.
Speaker 1: Because the Baylor connection and Big twelve stuff, they say
Speaker 1: that he was one of the best leaders from the
Speaker 1: moment he stepped on campus, in that locker room. If
Speaker 1: somebody that that worked hard, he was the first day
Speaker 1: or a first one in, last one out type of guy,
Speaker 1: leader on and off the field. So not only are
Speaker 1: you getting a good pass catcher, a guy who could
Speaker 1: develop as a blocker, but you're getting a guy who
Speaker 1: can make your football team better from a morale, from
Speaker 1: a locker room standpoint. I think that's something valuable to
Speaker 1: throw in there as well. Eric thinks we're way too
Speaker 1: low on Clemson corner Andrew Booth junior and wants to
Speaker 1: know how you feel about that. You are pretty low
Speaker 1: on him arm second round, second round him got him
Speaker 1: as and he could go in the first round because
Speaker 1: I think he's my fourth corner, So chill out, dude.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people have a lot of people
Speaker 1: to have him in the top twenty. People have him
Speaker 1: to sneak him in that sky war talk every once
Speaker 1: in a while that it might help. So this is
Speaker 1: like my quarter rankings. My corner rankings is very much
Speaker 1: a trust the tape deal, because like Trent McDuffie, I
Speaker 1: think that his tape is awesome. It's pretty much across
Speaker 1: the board. He's a smaller guy, he's got shorter arms
Speaker 1: like some teams I think won't pick Trent McDuffie period
Speaker 1: because his arms are shorter than thirty inches. And that's
Speaker 1: why I think Andrew Booth could be the third corner
Speaker 1: off the board. It could be Derek Stingley Sauce Gardner
Speaker 1: than Andrew Booth in the top twenty because it's a
Speaker 1: premier position. I saw with him a guy that has
Speaker 1: like I would think Dan Quinn would really like him. Yes,
Speaker 1: because I don't have the length in front of me.
Speaker 1: But he's six foot just over six foot, right, But
Speaker 1: I mean arm length. They don't sixty or seventy six wingspan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: wingspan thirty one. What's seventy six to thirty one arm
Speaker 1: plus a chest there, That's that's what I'm thirty one
Speaker 1: is long enough to lsu I can't do that. Out
Speaker 1: of my top ten top fifteen corners, he's the second
Speaker 1: longest arms behind sauce Gardner. And he is a well
Speaker 1: rounded player too. You've seen him say, play press man,
Speaker 1: off man zone, you see him do a little bit
Speaker 1: of everything. I think that he's a really good player
Speaker 1: to premiere position. He's going to be picked probably in
Speaker 1: the first round. And don't forget like premium positions. If
Speaker 1: a team likes you. They do what they gotta do.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Damon Arnette Top
Speaker 1: twenty pick terrible ideas. Aj Terrell also caught a lot
Speaker 1: of people off guard speaking of Clemson, and he was
Speaker 1: arguably one of the best corners in the league last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and he had arguably also about Booth And
Speaker 1: you don't see him get a lot of opportunities, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, he when it's it's like the it's like
Speaker 1: the teams in the ACC are like, we're really not
Speaker 1: interested in throwing the ball his direction. I will say
Speaker 1: this though about the kid though, and I know his
Speaker 1: job is to cover, but he's a fifty fifty tackler
Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, he's a fifty fifty tackle but U yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So if you're if you're into that, like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, they throw the ball and he's got to
Speaker 1: go make a tackle to get a guy on the ground,
Speaker 1: just know that that ball might go another twelve yards
Speaker 1: down the field, or it might be tackled right there
Speaker 1: at the spot. And for a guy who gave up
Speaker 1: like sixty and when they threw his direction, I mean,
Speaker 1: he gave up sixty two percent completion percentage. It didn't
Speaker 1: look like he was sticky on him either. So if
Speaker 1: you can't tackle and he's not sticky on the corner
Speaker 1: or sticky on a wide receiver, then you're gonna have
Speaker 1: some issues. I think No Eggbanogeny was another corner who
Speaker 1: went a lot higher than people were maybe talking about.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean he was like a fourth round,
Speaker 1: fourth round grade that went like an second right. He
Speaker 1: either went early too or he might have gone one.
Speaker 1: I think he went on. I think he went and
Speaker 1: we talked about him as like a top eighty type
Speaker 1: of guy, and he went in the first round. I
Speaker 1: don't think any of us have booth outside of the
Speaker 1: second round though. No, he's second round. That's where Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm right there with it. So we don't talk about him,
Speaker 1: but we're not necessarily low on him. Probably to answer
Speaker 1: the Quinn, I just haven't talked about all that many
Speaker 1: corners all that often because I think kyer Elam at
Speaker 1: Florida is also I can do. Quinn might like I
Speaker 1: kind of like the guy Gordon at Washing a little
Speaker 1: bit better than God. Yeah, it's just one of those
Speaker 1: I think corners one of those positions where You're like,
Speaker 1: you're always going to draft the best player available. But
Speaker 1: unless you love the corner that much, there's just other
Speaker 1: things you need to do, you know, Like unless a
Speaker 1: guy that you had graded at the top of the
Speaker 1: board who you never thought would fall similar to a
Speaker 1: CD Lamb, falls to you, I just think you have
Speaker 1: other things you need to address. Are we discounting the
Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys could pick a corner at twenty four?
Speaker 1: Are we discounting? I just I just did. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just did. I know. But that's what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: from unless it's somebody that you're absolutely head over heels
Speaker 1: in love with, forget about it. It would have forget
Speaker 1: about it. I just think there are other things you
Speaker 1: need to do. It would have to be somebody that
Speaker 1: they are very confident as soon as they call his name,
Speaker 1: Ken Joseph is riding the bench or learning to play
Speaker 1: the nets, basically your trading Brown or Harris or something
Speaker 1: like that. Even but even still like and not to
Speaker 1: say Kelvin can't play in the slot, but that's not
Speaker 1: why they drafted him. I think Kelvin plays outside and
Speaker 1: Brown kicks inside and take Jordan Lewis off the field.
Speaker 1: That's what I would do if you what if you
Speaker 1: drafted a guy at twenty four, If you drafted a
Speaker 1: guy at twenty four, then I'd kick, I'd plug and
Speaker 1: play that kid, the drafted player, And then what do
Speaker 1: you do? And they kick Brown inside to play Nicol
Speaker 1: and then Kelvin Joseph and Kelvin Joseph better, he better
Speaker 1: get the attention that oh wait, I need to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I better figure this out. That's why unless it is
Speaker 1: and we'll just it doesn't have to be stingy. But
Speaker 1: unless it is like a stingy type guy that you
Speaker 1: just never would be there. Drafting him is basically saying
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph might have to ride the bench in his
Speaker 1: second year. And I don't think they want to. Yeah, true,
Speaker 1: but I don't think this team. I guess is this
Speaker 1: team's not taking sure. I think the argument, well, dan
Speaker 1: Quinn will protect that pick because he went to Lexington
Speaker 1: and put his name on that player. That's that's why
Speaker 1: I think that you won't see them draft a corner
Speaker 1: like that. Never rule anything out completely, but I would
Speaker 1: be pretty shocked. Yeah, I'd be pretty surprised if he's
Speaker 1: gonna put his name on somebody in this draft, Sam Williams,
Speaker 1: old Miss defensive end. I think we're already seeing that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one last one before we go, somebody named oeg l.
Speaker 1: We talked about Abraham Lucas. Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's a name or what we talked about. Abraham Lucas,
Speaker 1: the Washington State tackle. Could he play guard? Do you
Speaker 1: think that is doable? Well? I think that's a tough
Speaker 1: projection because he was a good tackle and Washington State
Speaker 1: does the thing where they're run blocking is always from
Speaker 1: a pass set. Yeah, that's my ques question about him
Speaker 1: as a tackle, as I'm like, man, he looks like
Speaker 1: a really smooth and good pass protector. What's he going
Speaker 1: to give you in the run game? And now you
Speaker 1: want to project him into the spot where I need
Speaker 1: him to kind of move people in there? Uh? Maybe
Speaker 1: he could. I thought, hadn't crossed my mind, you know what,
Speaker 1: Jeff in my notes and maybe I'm hitting the pipe.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, I think with the crack pipe
Speaker 1: was saying like, well maybe back in your college day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably sounded bad anyway, Sorry about that, folks. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know I watched the USC and Washington games with
Speaker 1: this guy, and I kind of thought he was a
Speaker 1: physical drive blocker. I thought that was something that maybe
Speaker 1: that he was a little bit better as a dry blocker.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're right with those Washington State guys. You don't
Speaker 1: see it. I mean, look what's happened to that guy
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, you know Dillard. He's just completely fallen off
Speaker 1: the map. But I didn't think that he was. I
Speaker 1: didn't think that it was. I could say that I
Speaker 1: thought the run blocking was a little bit better than
Speaker 1: maybe it's passable lock in because he gets over the
Speaker 1: tops of his feet a little bit, but you don't
Speaker 1: see him on the ground and stuff like that, So
Speaker 1: maybe that's a maybe that's a hope. He's six six,
Speaker 1: he's three fifteen, probably a little bit taller for what
Speaker 1: you want for a guard. But I don't know. Because
Speaker 1: I learned yesterday I didn't in those Fortner my guy
Speaker 1: for Kentucky that I absolutely loved the center. I learned
Speaker 1: he played guard at Kentucky. He was a converted garden
Speaker 1: center year before. So now every time I'm like, I've
Speaker 1: never seen him, but when we've seen him play center,
Speaker 1: he played guard. So if people are saying, well, if
Speaker 1: you draft a guy like that, could he play guard guard? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he's a tough guy. You watch him play
Speaker 1: against Jordan Davis and guys like that. He gets pushed back,
Speaker 1: but he's not getting run over. That was my hope
Speaker 1: right there. The thing about Lucas is it's funny because
Speaker 1: I never thought about moving him the guard, kind of
Speaker 1: along the same lines of you, Brian, but I looked
Speaker 1: at maybe swinging him to the right side because he
Speaker 1: played the left at spot. Maybe swing candidate. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he has so much experience. He's good in his past
Speaker 1: block He's very balanced, and I didn't see a whole
Speaker 1: lot of the hand strength that you wouldn't necessar early
Speaker 1: have to be that powerful drive blocker. But hey, like
Speaker 1: you said, maybe I'm right. You know what the thing
Speaker 1: about it is, I mean you watch a play against
Speaker 1: Jackson against USC and everybody's talking about Jackson, this is
Speaker 1: the second coming of Reggie White, and so you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's holding up against him and great
Speaker 1: against him. I kind of like, I mean, I like
Speaker 1: this guy. This is most when he gets picked, I'll
Speaker 1: be like, there you go, there's another smart team. They
Speaker 1: know what they're doing with this kid. I just love
Speaker 1: the question because this is the the third round. No I
Speaker 1: have in the second, Oh, I'm the second. This is
Speaker 1: the time of year for creative problem solving where you say, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't love my options at guard in the
Speaker 1: second round, But what about this tackle that I could move?
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. We gotta tell me more coming up
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Speaker 1: Try to open this segment better than I closed the
Speaker 1: last one, one of my worst dismounts of the year.
Speaker 1: I think I really love that this is back, though,
Speaker 1: guys I've been enjoying tell me more. I already feel
Speaker 1: like a smarter draft fan. I hope the listeners will agree.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna get into it. We got fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes to cover five new guys. I doubt I could. No,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go over. And that's okay. Kyle's got the
Speaker 1: next show anyway, they're not on. Yeah, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: We can run into it. We'll go over. But all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna hop right into it. We talked about this
Speaker 1: guy in the break, y'all seem to like him. Tell
Speaker 1: me more about Dane Belton, the safety out of Iowa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that somebody wanted to do Dane Belton for
Speaker 1: tell me more because about tired of watching guys that
Speaker 1: aren't draftable, rude. Jane Belton is a good player. Like,
Speaker 1: first you look up who is he give me his measurables.
Speaker 1: What are the numbers? And it's like, oh, five interceptions,
Speaker 1: seven passes defended, Like we got some ball production here.
Speaker 1: All right, what does he do? He plays what did
Speaker 1: Iowa they call the cash spot, which is Daxton Hill
Speaker 1: at Michigan. Yeah, where if there are two receivers, he'll
Speaker 1: play safety, if there's three, he'll play nicol. If a
Speaker 1: guy motions away, he'll go down to the edge and
Speaker 1: go chase the quarterback. So he was clearly their guy
Speaker 1: to do all those different things. And as a playing
Speaker 1: forward safety, especially in zone or covering tight ends or
Speaker 1: running backs, Dane Belton can play. Yeah. When I hadn't
Speaker 1: heard his name before and it was like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do tell me more about Dane Belton. I was like, sweet,
Speaker 1: let me go watch this job Or. I think this
Speaker 1: job Or is a third round pick. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's a top one hundred player. I think he's good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Jeff's got him nailed. I think the thing
Speaker 1: that's the most impressive thing about him is is awareness
Speaker 1: and vision, because that's where I think that he is
Speaker 1: going to make a living. And you know, when you
Speaker 1: start to talk about football intelligence and things like that,
Speaker 1: I think this Dane Belton falls into that. He might
Speaker 1: not be one of those guys that when you watch
Speaker 1: him tackle, there's a little bit of that lunge and
Speaker 1: go low. But I don't think he's afraid to do it.
Speaker 1: I just think that there's there's gonna be some times
Speaker 1: where he's gonna have to kind of make a tackle,
Speaker 1: and I just hope he does. But the vision, the awareness,
Speaker 1: the ball skills, all those things are top shelf. I
Speaker 1: love his awareness and his positioning because he always seems
Speaker 1: to be in the right spot. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: what we talked about with Verne McKinley, the organ safety
Speaker 1: that we had tell me more last week. But he's
Speaker 1: not as quick to get there, but he's in that
Speaker 1: same area, that same mindset with the football IQ, the
Speaker 1: play recognition. He can come down in the box, he
Speaker 1: can stop the run. He's a decent tackler. And I
Speaker 1: say decent because there are some fundamental sides of his
Speaker 1: tackling just a lunch and part of it. So you
Speaker 1: know he'll hit you, Yeah, come across the side. He's
Speaker 1: not afraid to hit, which is something that, of course
Speaker 1: you look at for some of these later round safeties.
Speaker 1: He will come up and plug a hole if he
Speaker 1: needs to. Not as rangy as some of those top
Speaker 1: guys up in the draft, and he's got some okay
Speaker 1: athletic testing numbers. But I like his size, I like
Speaker 1: his demeanor, and his football IQ is certainly something you
Speaker 1: see on tape. It's funny because I like, when I
Speaker 1: think about safeties now that Dan quinn is here, I
Speaker 1: just think about the fact that they drafted Izzie mcquomo.
Speaker 1: Yeah six seven, however, but oh yeah, who's the tallest safety.
Speaker 1: But having said that, Belton is six foot and a
Speaker 1: half with thirty one inch arms, I mean that seems
Speaker 1: plenty of He can run. Yeah, he can run, So
Speaker 1: I don't think you discount him because of that. Nope,
Speaker 1: this might be a typo, but I have J. T.
Speaker 1: Woods as the top safety. Let me don't just pencil
Speaker 1: him down. Yeah, tallest six four, what are we looking at? Definitely?
Speaker 1: I think I think I have a type of it.
Speaker 1: Can he tie his shoes standing up? He can run
Speaker 1: really fast. He was the one that went ran like
Speaker 1: a four to seven unofficial at the combine. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Baylor people run fast. Baylor tracked him. Yep. Tell me
Speaker 1: if this sounds appealing to the Dallas Cowboys. Talented LSU
Speaker 1: player transfers to Kentucky, finishes his career there. Tell me
Speaker 1: more about Darre Rosenthal. Darre Rosenthal is an offensive tackle
Speaker 1: and and what's interesting about Rosenthal It's not a great
Speaker 1: way to jump this thing off. Six seven plays really upright.
Speaker 1: Doesn't get a lot of push in the run game.
Speaker 1: Letter ability's going to cost him against quick pass rushers.
Speaker 1: Leans forward when he's engaged, so he doesn't sustain. Well,
Speaker 1: he's pretty good college player. Don't see NFL traits? Yeah
Speaker 1: you know this guy? He does. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: your direct attitude. No, no, I was trying to get
Speaker 1: there and I said, he looks super awkward when he
Speaker 1: has to block due to his lack of power and strength. Again,
Speaker 1: you know me, I have problems with those guys. He
Speaker 1: finds himself on the ground more than you like due
Speaker 1: to his inability to keep his balance. I could see
Speaker 1: where a very good foot athlete in some movement is impressive,
Speaker 1: but he gets caught like he's in a revolving door.
Speaker 1: He like he blocks and then he gets spun around
Speaker 1: and then he gets thrown on the ground. And I
Speaker 1: you know, to me, he was the starting left tackle
Speaker 1: at Kentucky. And it's funny because they've got some big
Speaker 1: old guys and at six seven, two ninety he looks
Speaker 1: just super thin out there, but he's engaged and then
Speaker 1: he'll lose it. And so I mean, you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's the thing that you have to worry about. But
Speaker 1: again take my word for it, though, when a guy
Speaker 1: doesn't have from any power, he's gonna probably be an
Speaker 1: all pro. Because this guy is really really long, and
Speaker 1: I don't think he's very very strong, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he balanced. Yeah, there's there's some yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: That's an offensive line that can you watch them. They
Speaker 1: can move people and sets up for those gadget guys
Speaker 1: and this guy every man. Yeah, everybody's moving and he's
Speaker 1: on the ground, is what he's at. He said he
Speaker 1: has bad balance kind Yeah, I didn't really like the balance,
Speaker 1: and the pass sets were something that looked at. I
Speaker 1: liked his demeanor. I mean, he always was really aggressive
Speaker 1: and he's kind of getting in your face and chippy
Speaker 1: type of player. But I don't necessarily see a good
Speaker 1: mover along with the rest of his offensive line, and
Speaker 1: he just kind of looks like he's just not laboring
Speaker 1: because he's he almost just looks like he's uncoordinated. Well,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I was just going through my notes here,
Speaker 1: I go it terrible in Georgia game, dealing with their edge,
Speaker 1: but you always felt like he was on the verge
Speaker 1: of disaster. Yeah, he was about to follow over Walker.
Speaker 1: It was you put number four across from it. It was.
Speaker 1: It was always like, oh yeah, it was one of
Speaker 1: those plays. Yeah, so you're telling me that's not Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph two point zero. No, not quite, not at all.
Speaker 1: This is a name that I think raised eyebrows all
Speaker 1: over the place when he was connected to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: just because I'll be honest, I had never heard of him.
Speaker 1: Tell me more about Malik Davis, the running back out
Speaker 1: of Florida. Yeah, and it and this is a hard study,
Speaker 1: It really really is. And you'll find him yeah, because
Speaker 1: he plays in that rotating system. You're apps right, there
Speaker 1: were he was generally the starter though, but you know,
Speaker 1: you could tell he's not explosive. He's not a quick
Speaker 1: foot athlete. He catches the ball well. Anybody's an exceptional
Speaker 1: pass blocker. He really really has a good feel and
Speaker 1: awareness how and again, that's a running back. If I
Speaker 1: was talking about a guard, I think you'd really really happy.
Speaker 1: But this is a running back. And there were several
Speaker 1: snaps where he was able to pick up this guy
Speaker 1: and save his quarterback from being hit. And I think
Speaker 1: there's something. There was some squareness to his game. There's
Speaker 1: some toughness there. He had a touchdown the Alabama game
Speaker 1: where he made the safety miss. But he's really not
Speaker 1: that elusive. He's really steady. He's a straight ahead runner
Speaker 1: and ball care He's not going to make many cuts.
Speaker 1: He'll run hard, he'll finish. But the whole thing is
Speaker 1: like his pass blocking and his catching ability is the
Speaker 1: way that you know that he's going to try and
Speaker 1: make in this league. They did put him out wide
Speaker 1: in the Georgia game and they had to pick six
Speaker 1: off it. They threw the ball in his direction and
Speaker 1: he came back to the ball and then they just
Speaker 1: they hammered it and took it back. So you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see thirty visit for the Alice one invite of
Speaker 1: the Combine right now, so they're probably getting a physical
Speaker 1: on him that time. Speed is a four to six
Speaker 1: four by the way, tends to play that way. He
Speaker 1: So just these are some of the totals that he
Speaker 1: had this year running the football. Fourteen carries, one hundred
Speaker 1: and four yards. That was this best game of the year.
Speaker 1: That was against Florida Atlantic out of conference USA the
Speaker 1: business against South Florida seven of twenty two Alabama he
Speaker 1: went ten of eighty six, which was his second best game.
Speaker 1: They were in the ball. Well Florida did that game
Speaker 1: overall too long, but forty five yards against Tennessee twenty
Speaker 1: two against Kentucky LSU, he had eight yards on four
Speaker 1: carries along of seven, so that means three of us
Speaker 1: carries to come by five thousand yards rush against Florida.
Speaker 1: That sure did. Yeah, So I mean Basically you're looking
Speaker 1: at the stats, you're looking at the film, and whenever
Speaker 1: he's in the ball game, they're throwing and they're maybe
Speaker 1: going to throw it to him out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: If they're gonna run the football, Damon Pierce is in
Speaker 1: the backfield. I mean they go to Damien Pears and
Speaker 1: let him kind of show the explosiveness and so fullback.
Speaker 1: I mean, is he in that conversation right? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like two pounds, you got to bulk it up if
Speaker 1: you're gonna do something like that. I just dave he
Speaker 1: plays running back. He showed us. Yeah, so he just
Speaker 1: kind of if you ball, he'll run. If you don't,
Speaker 1: you won't kind of a running back, you know which
Speaker 1: I do think it's this and and maybe it's it's
Speaker 1: not this guy. Like I'm I'm not gonna focus too
Speaker 1: much on a Day three they'll take a fifth to
Speaker 1: sixth round round dude. I wrote about this yesterday. Like
Speaker 1: their track record over the last decade is they let
Speaker 1: it get deep into Day three. I mean that looks good.
Speaker 1: Not counting Ezekiel Elliott, who they obviously drafted with a
Speaker 1: very specific plan in place that ironically never came to fruition.
Speaker 1: But they drafted Joseph Randal in the fifth round. They
Speaker 1: drafted Darius Jackson in the sixth, they drafted Bo Scarborough
Speaker 1: in the seventh. They drafted Mike Webber in the seventh
Speaker 1: like it. And Tony Pollard was Day three as well,
Speaker 1: but a fourth round pick. But it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: Day three guy, Like obviously I wouldn't be. These are
Speaker 1: the types of aspects guys. That's okay, it might be
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, that's again, Like especially the later you
Speaker 1: get in the draft, the less I personally care about
Speaker 1: the names on the list. You could take one, but
Speaker 1: I just want to be on record. I kind of
Speaker 1: like Rico Dowdle. He was pretty as a kid player.
Speaker 1: I just wanted he was an undrafted guy. Yeah, on
Speaker 1: the cheap. I don't want to speak out of turn
Speaker 1: because the guy too. Hip injuries. Hip injuries scare me well,
Speaker 1: but I mean, by all, by all indications, I think
Speaker 1: he's doing fine. Shaw Allana Lua as well. Yes the way,
Speaker 1: tell me more about a Mari Barno, the edge rusher
Speaker 1: out of Virginia Tech. Oh you want to concise one,
Speaker 1: Brian to go through all the notes, you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: me the ron Wolf he can't play. No, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you can't play. I'm gonna kind of tell
Speaker 1: you can't play. I was about to say, Amari Barno
Speaker 1: is uh six four and a half two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty six pounds and my guy runs a four to
Speaker 1: three six. That's a Mari Barno and that's the scouting report.
Speaker 1: I think he is his measurables, and that's good enough
Speaker 1: to be drafted. If you are six four and a
Speaker 1: half with long arms and you run a four three six,
Speaker 1: that is enough that a coaching staff is going to
Speaker 1: pick you. I don't think that the tape is good,
Speaker 1: like there are moments where I forget which no, I
Speaker 1: don't forget, which you may just look at it North
Speaker 1: Carolina game running outside of the right and it's just
Speaker 1: this giant dude that when he gets off a block
Speaker 1: makes a tackle for loss. The tackle radius looks big
Speaker 1: because he's so long. I think he's a limited player,
Speaker 1: But six five running four three six, you're getting draft.
Speaker 1: It's funny. My exact scouting report. Long and lanky edge
Speaker 1: rusher looks skinny for the position, but his speed off
Speaker 1: the edge helps him with that. He's got an explosive
Speaker 1: first step with which helps him gain leverage over some
Speaker 1: stronger offensive lineman. But he's sloppy in his footwork and
Speaker 1: in his form, lots of wasted body movement and amount
Speaker 1: a ton of awareness with what's happening in the backfield.
Speaker 1: But he takes good angles whenever he has to get
Speaker 1: to the outside. He might not. He might just be
Speaker 1: running four three. So that's true. Maybe you're right. Physically,
Speaker 1: it's a great looking player, doesn't play like one. Yep,
Speaker 1: with a professional coach, maybe six four and a half. No,
Speaker 1: I mean six runs a four three. I personally think
Speaker 1: it's more fun when it's a flawed player. It's yeah, link,
Speaker 1: his link is impressive, but again he just doesn't have
Speaker 1: the power. There's snaps where he tends to lose the
Speaker 1: ball and the awareness, and I think that shows because
Speaker 1: he gets too tight up with the blocker and he
Speaker 1: needs to get his hands quicker and better used to
Speaker 1: free himself. I mean, he doesn't always went off the edge,
Speaker 1: and I think that's a problem for him. So you know,
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, I thought I watched the Notre
Speaker 1: Dame game at Notre Dame, North Carolina, Boston College. I
Speaker 1: watched three games of this guy, and I was like,
Speaker 1: please show me more than you're just good looking. Please
Speaker 1: show me more than any more than you know. And
Speaker 1: Notre Dame game, I thought he played better, but the
Speaker 1: other ones up to it like they blocked him pretty well.
Speaker 1: It's just a guy that somebody reaches on. Somebody looks
Speaker 1: at him and says, you know what, I can fix
Speaker 1: him if he ran a better three cone. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: he comes out, he runs the straight line speed and
Speaker 1: then he goes to the three cone and just completely
Speaker 1: lets that one fly out. No, you don't bend as
Speaker 1: well as somebody who runs like you should. Yeah, four
Speaker 1: or five, I'm trying to Yeah, that was a short shuttle.
Speaker 1: That was a shuttle. Okay, Yeah, I don't have his
Speaker 1: three cone from his prote which means that he probably
Speaker 1: didn't run it. Let me see, I've got those ATP sheets.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can tell you what he did.
Speaker 1: Just talk him on yourselves. Where do you guys have
Speaker 1: him graded? Sixth round? Fifth? Yeah? Fifth? Yeah, a late
Speaker 1: draft pick that you were throwing after his the traits,
Speaker 1: it's traits, it's speaking that's that's where that's where you're at.
Speaker 1: If you're in. If I'm not, I'm not saying I'm in.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna like it, if you're no, if
Speaker 1: you're gonna do that, that's the position where you should. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should absolutely like if you're just like this guy
Speaker 1: is not great, but maybe he'll turn into something at
Speaker 1: edge rusher. Hell yeah, my pass rusher that I want
Speaker 1: to take a maybe even a third or fourth round
Speaker 1: flyer on. And maybe somebody else is gonna like his
Speaker 1: tape a lot better than I do. But Brandon Smith,
Speaker 1: the Penn State linebacker, we talked about him last week.
Speaker 1: Wish you were here, oh, because I think that he
Speaker 1: looks like talking about him, I just think he looks
Speaker 1: like he's never played football before. And he's not a
Speaker 1: late flyer though, But well fire him in the third okay,
Speaker 1: because if they didn't, and you let me use a
Speaker 1: Day three pick in the fourth round, I would pick
Speaker 1: a linebacker and I would tell him, hey, guess what
Speaker 1: you're about to learn how to play edge. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go after the quarterback. You're big, you're strong, you're long,
Speaker 1: you're athletic. You don't look like you know what you're
Speaker 1: doing back there, the iron step up here the MP
Speaker 1: that it would be a linebacker from Penn State, of
Speaker 1: all places that you would be asking to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's there at one twenty nine.
Speaker 1: If he is, though, we could have that conversation because
Speaker 1: I like that idea with him because he's so out
Speaker 1: of control and you don't want him in space sixty
Speaker 1: three and a half two fifty pounds, thirty four and
Speaker 1: a half inch arms and runs a four or five two.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, man, I don't like the idea of
Speaker 1: using a fourth round pick on a guy that you
Speaker 1: gotta teach how to play football. That sounds kind of
Speaker 1: I gotta teach her how to play football. I just
Speaker 1: got to teach him how to whoop that dude in
Speaker 1: front of you, which you could play an edge is
Speaker 1: not really playing downhill? Was his best tread? I'll let
Speaker 1: the Marcus Lawrence. No, his shuttle was a four four
Speaker 1: h in a four three six from Pro Day is
Speaker 1: what they have him at for Barno. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm looking I think I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the right thing. U T ten to eleven on the
Speaker 1: product they have him projected, and I get these sheets
Speaker 1: from the pro days. The league projects this guy's a
Speaker 1: second round player. I mean that's they're they're talking about,
Speaker 1: this guy's a second round player. Does it have a
Speaker 1: three cone on that? I don't think he ran it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure no, he doesn't. He does not
Speaker 1: have the three cone. No, So we're to make up
Speaker 1: whatever you want. We're thinking. We're thinking day three, Yes,
Speaker 1: pretty firmly. Yes, Okay, we'll wrap this up. We are
Speaker 1: going over time. I don't care at all. One last one,
Speaker 1: Samori Toure, the Nebraska receiver. What do you got? Bryan
Speaker 1: has his tape? I don't super productive Brian. I mean
Speaker 1: he was a transfer from the FCS to the Yeah Montana. Yeah,
Speaker 1: actually yeah, part of the grizz We moved up the ranks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was kind of that big slot role for them.
Speaker 1: Him kind of went back and forth, played outside, played
Speaker 1: a little bit inside. Good tape. I mean he actually
Speaker 1: showed out pretty well against the bigger teams like the
Speaker 1: Michigan's in the Ohio States. Yeah, he did Ohio State Northwest,
Speaker 1: I mean Northwest, and he killed him. He set a
Speaker 1: playoff record for Montana against Southwest Louisiana for yards and
Speaker 1: he's got outstanding time speed. He's six one, he's one
Speaker 1: ninety one. Four four two is his speed. You could
Speaker 1: see a guy could really really get up to field
Speaker 1: when he has free access. But there's snaps where you see,
Speaker 1: even like the double moves and stuff can get him open.
Speaker 1: I thought he tracked the ball pretty well. The body
Speaker 1: control was good. He wasn't blessed with the best passers
Speaker 1: when you know, but he always have found a way
Speaker 1: to adjust to the ball, and I thought that was
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. He could catch the ball on the move,
Speaker 1: he could take it inside. I thought he was a
Speaker 1: good finisher. But there's some toughness as of ball carrier
Speaker 1: as well, and they use him on some options stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I'm looking right now where I put him
Speaker 1: on this board or on my board, and I had
Speaker 1: him and the fifth round is what I had him.
Speaker 1: I have him as my highest graded non combine invite,
Speaker 1: and so I have him in the fourth like late fourth.
Speaker 1: But I'm right there with you. I like some of
Speaker 1: the stuff he does. Good route runner, great hands. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think his hands are phenomenal. Yeah, I mean, of course,
Speaker 1: by phenomenal's terms. I'm not talking top one hundred hands,
Speaker 1: but he's he's got good hands, and he's somebody that
Speaker 1: I think could be a perfect developmental receiver. He's somebody
Speaker 1: that will come in, he'll play on special teams. He'll
Speaker 1: he'll be physical, he'll do a bunch of things for
Speaker 1: you on the back end, kind of like a Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: where he will do the fundamental side of things and
Speaker 1: then he'll come in and maybe make a flash play
Speaker 1: here and there. I'd rather have the tech guy that
Speaker 1: we talked about last week and in Zookama. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got his name right. Yeah, I would rather. I
Speaker 1: would rather have him than I would this guy. I
Speaker 1: just say, I love with nine picks. I love the idea.
Speaker 1: I would love to double up at receiver, just like
Speaker 1: they did with Gallup and Cedric Wilson. You saw. I mean,
Speaker 1: you spend a fifth or sixth round pick on a receiver.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be anything meaningful for you right away,
Speaker 1: but you see the value in what developing a guy
Speaker 1: like that can do. Any final thoughts, anybody, I just
Speaker 1: look because I haven't really gotten down to six round receivers,
Speaker 1: but when you're saying that. I was like, sure, give
Speaker 1: me George Pickens and then give me wan Dale Robinson.
Speaker 1: Let's just have a lot of fun. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I keep seeing I think he's a higher pick than that. Probably,
Speaker 1: I think you're looking more like myself, like a Dontario
Speaker 1: Drummond down in Miami, Ohio, or like a Reggie Roberson
Speaker 1: out of SMU. Maybe those guys are the later guys.
Speaker 1: Give me give me a two and a five, and
Speaker 1: I semi phijokos here as well. I understand that, but
Speaker 1: I'm fine. I'm perfectly fine continuing to churn the depth
Speaker 1: at that position. Gentlemen, this was really fun as always,
Speaker 1: I think the fastest hour in radio. See how you ended. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: we'll be back on Thursday, and you're not gonna throw
Speaker 1: me off my game you did for Jeff, Brian and Kyle.
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