WEBVTT - Draft Show: Taking A Stand 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:06.440 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:14.520 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is the 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:19.680 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.800 insider news and trapped analysis from deep within the confines 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:30.520 of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Friscope and now 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:36.879 your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:43.600 David Hellman. It is Tuesday, April the twelfth, twenty twenty two. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.440 The twenty twenty two NFL Draft is just more than 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.280 two weeks away. Hello, welcome. The Big Voice guy said 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.959 it all, and we're actually we're all here today, all 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.840 four of us back in action. As we tick close 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.120 to the draft, it felt like it would never get here. 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:05.280 Now it feels like it's way too close, to be 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:09.080 honest with you, which that's where I want to start today. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.120 We are in the height of lying season right now, 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.160 Like this is the time of year where I think, 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.080 for the most part, you've done what you can do. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.200 They the hey might not be in the barn, but 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.040 like you know the talking points, you know the players, 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.000 and now there's just a whole bunch of smoke messing 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.760 up the top of the draft, and in a year 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.120 where there's not a slam dunk number one prospect or 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:41.320 a generational quarterback, I think it's even more confusing. First 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.000 of all, like would y'all agree with that? Yeah, yeah, 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.400 I don't. You know. The thing that and we were 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.320 talking about it here in a little bit pre show, 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.320 was the doubt you have on certain players. You know, 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.560 did you? You're now having to fight for guys against 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:01.000 a room that might not believe what you're thinking. And 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.040 that's that that's the that's the biggest problem that scouts 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.040 are dealing with right now. Is you know, you love 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.480 it when you start to present a report and you're 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.359 trying to get that tag on the board or get 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.200 it in the stack, and you're fighting for a player 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.119 and you've got guys that are going with you on that. 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.120 That makes your job a heck of a lot easier. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.400 But there's some of these players on this board, and 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.800 I think it's because the inconsistency of a lot of 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:26.440 these guys that trying to get them right is the 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.320 big struggle right now. Which you're totally right, and I 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.960 we said this before the show, like I completely understand 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.720 how the group think and echo chamber mentality happens because 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.200 it's got to be scary as hell, especially like if 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.080 we miss on a guy, what are you gonna do? 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.639 You know? But if they'll let you know, fans will 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.800 let you know, are you are you? Are you gonna 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.160 hear it for a couple of years? Are you gonna 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:50.600 get fired? If Lakwan Treadwell turns out to not be 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.200 a great player, Oops, you're gonna move on us? Yeah? 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:58.440 Talk about us? Yeah? I fired? That's the That is 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.480 the terrifying thing for people that do this professionally. If 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.240 you've got a two on a guy, yeah, and the 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.360 rest of the room has a five on a guy 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.080 and it's your livelihood on the line, that sounds absolutely terrified. 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:13.360 So I understand how these grades sort of gravitate toward 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.520 a mean where they kind of agree with each other. Well, 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:19.040 what's going to happen is interesting. Take example Walker for Georgia, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.440 which I mean, the media scouts have got this thing 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.040 just pumped up. And I'm not talking about just us 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:29.200 media scouts. I'm talking like Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, guys 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:33.040 who were professional scouts in the business are now pumping 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:35.520 air into a guy. You know Jeff comes on here 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.200 and is talking about listen. I mean, we had a 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.720 mock draft situation where this guy was our pick, and 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:42.839 now all of a sudden, now he's sixteen, and now 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.240 he's two, you know, and then I agree with him. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.920 There's four or five guys that I might think that 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.840 there might be a better rushers than him. That's the 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.360 scary thing, right. I love the way that you can 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.240 read my mind because I didn't send you a rundown today, Nope, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.120 But that's exactly what I want to talk about. I 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.880 brainstormed this idea with Jeff. Credit to you, Jeffrey. I 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:07.480 think there are five or six some chips, probably always 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.480 I think there are there are five or six names. 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.880 I just want to go over in terms of like 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.960 what are we missing? What are we not talking about? 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.400 And and Trayvon Walker is chief among them because in 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.200 the span of a month, he, like you just said, 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:24.040 he's being mocked as the number one overall pick a 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.440 month after being a top fifteen guy. So what's what's 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.520 the deal here? And without trying to let other narratives 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.279 influence you, what is your opinion of him? Oh? I 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.000 can get to the notes because the notes aren't gonna 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:40.160 say top five player. Hold on, I mean it's quay 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:46.080 Walker that's different. Here we go. Um, I saw Trayvon Walkers, 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.120 a guy that you could tell was for his size, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.560 like full size defensive end. You went, oh wow, really 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.080 good athlete. Like I'm watching this guy dropping coverage and 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.039 then change direction to go make a tackle, and you 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.600 can see that it's a big dude. That's a really 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.600 good athlete. I wrote that he moves like he's two 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.840 hundred and forty pounds even though he's two hundred and 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:10.920 seventy five. But I also wrote, my question is how 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:13.280 good of a pass rusher is? He doesn't look all 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.919 that Bendy, doesn't have an array of pass rush moves 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.400 yet good linear athlete with power. Now, linear athlete was 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:23.279 disproven by his athletic testing. He's clearly athletic enough to 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:28.520 do whatever you want. But I think on tape Trayvon 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.119 Walker is like the tenth best pass rusher in this class, 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:35.400 maybe fifteenth. So I do think you're projecting his athletic 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:40.400 traits to translate in the NFL with coaching into a 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.160 really good pass rusher, because he was not that in college. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.120 If you're into the nerd stuff. His pass rush win 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.720 rate was like half of that of the other top 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:54.360 edge prospects. Yeah, you know, and really a clear understanding 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.840 of this is how Georgia played him. You know, when 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.440 they went nickel, they put him at nose. They didn't 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.320 even keep him on the outside. Thinking, now, you you know, 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.800 when you play knows you're as a pass rush, you're 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.760 having to deal with a center, a couple of guards, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.760 you know that kind of stuff. So to me, they 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.279 didn't even really keep him on the outside. And you know, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.520 to me, I just kind of look at this. I 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.160 think Jeff's riot about this. I mean, I think there's 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.039 some there's some some good workout numbers, but I don't 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:25.120 know if it necessarily translates into like the first or 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.039 second overall pick in this draft. I wouldn't think that 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.520 he would be the best player in this draft. That 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.920 that I never when I watched his tape, and this 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.320 is even before all the athletic numbers. You could watch 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:38.720 him against Arkansas and Clemson and some of these teams 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.599 and you're going, well, he's a good player, but is 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.600 he the first or second overall player? I find it 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.720 the tape doesn't show me that I agree with that, 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.360 and I like him probably a little bit more than 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:53.720 most people, I guess if you're looking at first round guys, 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.480 but I still don't have them anywhere near the Aid 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.320 and Hutchinson's out of Michigan or the Cavon Thibodeaus. In 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.280 terms of that edge rusher class, I think it's those 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.279 two guys a considerable difference because Walker is that third 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.560 and fourth guy. He's right there with George carloft Is 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.360 because they both have just a little bit of that knock. 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.080 I don't think Walker's as strong as those guys. I 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.840 don't think he's athletic as or as athletic, even though 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.520 the numbers, like you said, stood up at some of 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.200 the best numbers in the class. And then I also 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.080 on tapes all inconsistency. He goes up and he tears 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.600 up Alabama in the National Championship game. That's the game 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:27.640 that everybody remembers. Then you turn around you see him 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.080 kind of struggle a little bit against Kentucky, and he 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:35.000 goes up against our guys second round. Yeah, and then 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.080 we're gonna talk about the other offensive tackle, left tackle. Yeah, 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.600 he had some issues there. And then against Clemson or 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.440 Thorndale from last year, the kid, the guy that I 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:50.160 watched la the other guy I was mentioning. But he 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.160 struggles against those guys. He struggles a little bit against Clemson. 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.400 And so there's that inconsistency that goes along with the 0:07:56.520 --> 0:08:00.000 very much so enticing pros. There are so many things, 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.760 little cons that are gonna nag at you that I 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.840 agree with you. I don't think top two or top 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.160 three is even remotely close to this guy's worth. Jeff 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.280 kind of touched on this. Can you at least talk 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.840 yourself in the idea of his potential, like if he's 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:16.920 if he's in the right situation with like a good 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.920 D line coach, good you know, Let's say we're to 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.040 go to Jacksonville where he's got Josh Allen on the 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.080 other side of the line. Can I sell you on 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.520 that at all he's with the best team in the country, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.480 best defense in the country. Or I don't think he don't. 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.720 I mean, if we're watching a player from Connecticut but 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:36.120 not one of those finished products though, I mean, he yeah, 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.960 I don't, you know. And the I think Jeff has 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.120 said this before, he's not he doesn't rush as well 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.079 as Thibadeau. You can watch the tape and see that 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.200 and there you're going, oh, okay, I see it this. 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.440 You know, that's a guy to me that I think 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.120 is going to be you know, Corloftus. I've Corloftus over 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.600 this guy as a rusher, So I mean to me, 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.280 I kind of feel like, yeah, sure, but this guy 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:01.800 also play with the best defense in the country on 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:06.160 a national championship team. The defensive coordinator ends up getting 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.679 a head coaching job at Oregon, you know, I mean 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.679 he didn't. It's not like he went to some small 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.520 school as a head coach and he wasn't just doing 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.200 it by himself. He had all the help in the world. 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:15.880 There are a lot of players. There might be five 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:19.320 first round picks from George's defense, honestly, maybe all in 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.719 the front seven. Jordan Davis, DeVante Wyatt. If you get 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.800 into Kobe Deane Walker sneak Lewis scene in there. Yeah, 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.520 see Trayvon Walker, he could go five. I think it's 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.040 way Walker has way Walker could sneak in there too, 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.280 for sure. The other one, which I don't think we've 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:37.200 spent more than forty five seconds talking about Cavon Thibodeaux 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.120 because it's just it feels like a waste of time 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.800 on a Cowboys podcast. But in terms of understanding the 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.760 first round, I would like to know more, just in 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.400 the sense of, like, if he slips the way people 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:52.160 are projecting, is that lying season bs or at the 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.840 very least, is it just it's that unknowable off the 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.560 field rumor people people, Yeah, that's the problem. That won't 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.319 be I mean you could, you could watch the tape 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.800 and clearly see one of the best players in the draft. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.560 The problem is do you like the attitude? Do you 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.280 want to deal with maybe him being a branding guy? 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:11.920 Do you want to you know, there's all kinds of 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.800 things that teams will just not This team here will 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.240 would love him. The team other teams around the league 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.520 probably wouldn't love how much he is into that kind 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.160 of stuff he need, like a clothing line in the 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.360 pro shop type of Oh sure, okay, yeah, he would, 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:28.960 he would have his and he'd go and model for you. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.160 Probably we can make that work. Well. It reminds me 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.400 of Khalil Mack, Like I think that's what you're talking about, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.520 where it's not a two hundred and seventy pound guy. Yeah, 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:40.520 I was thinking or whatever, but like he is an 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:45.160 absolute handful whatever whatever right tackle is unfortunate enough to 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.360 line up against him. If he bullrushes you, he's going 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.559 through you. He can dip, he can generate power from 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.320 odd angles. Like Cavon Thibodeau is a stud. The only 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.439 thing stopping him from being a top three lock is 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.520 whatever the stuff is that I don't know, Yeah, because 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.480 I have not interviewed him or whatever the background is. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.920 It's making people go, what a football The tape on 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:12.960 Cavon Thibodeaux. Trayvon Walker dreams of having that tape. Part 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.520 of me believes that it is some of that lying 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.000 that smoke kind of thrown out in the world because 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.840 he's an easy target because he has the off the 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.240 field ego. I mean, Dane Brugler said it himself at 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.640 the combine. He said, whenever you're pulling up a chair 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.520 for Cavon Tibodeau to give him an interview, you have 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.320 to pull up another chair for the ego. You gotta 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.080 put another one right next to him because there's so 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.959 much of that carrying over. I have a professional ego, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.680 so hey, and we got an extra extra couple chairs 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.880 on the We got chairs, they're in the room. But 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:43.240 with Cavon Thibodeau, it may just make him that easy 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:45.400 target to say, hey, we're just not gonna let it. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.920 We're gonna slip. He's gonna he's gonna fall. And then 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.480 all of a sudden he's the first or second player 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.560 taken off the board, and that's exactly where he needs 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:54.520 to be whenever his tape is out there. Jeff, is 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.080 he here? Top rated guy? I have Hutchinson is number 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.440 one because I just think Hutchinson is the safe, safer pick. 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:04.200 I mean buying production, with the traits, with the athleticism. 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:08.200 Hutchinson is really really, really good. Thibodeau. I think if 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:09.920 you were saying, hey, it's third and seven, which one 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.800 you're putting in there too? And I want to get 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.560 the quarterback right now, give me Thibodeau, I'd probably go Thibodeaux. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.360 Have Thibodeau number one. And you know it's funny. I 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:19.760 go back and I watch if you want to watch 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.640 what we were talking about, what sailor the kid from 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.160 George George. All of a sudden he's playing against those 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.560 Michigan kids, and you're kind of like going huh. If 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.240 you want to watch a good tape at him blocking 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.520 a couple of guys, that gives you a good idea there. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.440 I think that. I think to me, I think Jeff's 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.400 right about this. You want if you want a guy 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.320 at third and seven to get home on a rush, 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.839 Thibodeau's gonna get home. Hey, Hutchinson can get home. But 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:47.680 I mean, I think there's a little bit more involved there. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:52.199 I do wonder too, the draft industry has become year round. 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.520 I wonder how much of that plays a role in 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.880 some of this, I think. And Derek Stingley is working 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.920 through it too. That's another guy. Derek Stingley and came on. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.040 Thibodeaux have been in the top ten of mock drafts 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.439 for like two years at this point. Yeah, like boredom 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.440 well in Stingley. Now it's like he's hey, guys, he's 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.760 going back up after his pro day. His Pro day 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:15.360 doesn't move anyway at all. He's the athlete you already 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.000 knew he was. I'm not so much thinking about right now. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.319 But again, you know, Dane's gonna turn around and do 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.120 a mock draft like two days after this draft ends, 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.200 two years ago or excuse me a year ago because 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.120 he was so young. I mean Stingley was in the 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:31.480 top five of that. Thibodeau, if you follow the draft, 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.520 has been a name number one people have known forever. 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.439 And sure you would prefer a guy to be mature 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.200 enough to not care about that. But that's probably a 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.760 hard thing to do when people tell you from the 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.640 age of nineteen that you're twelve to twenty four months 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:49.160 removed from being very, very rich. I don't know. That's 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.440 something he's probably pretty hard to come back against. We 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.800 need to get used to this because in future draft shows, 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.319 we're going to talk about kids that had these in 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:01.319 il stuff and making hundreds of thousand dollars, maybe millions 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.000 of dollars with branding and stuff like that. This is 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.680 going to be We've we've had to adjust in the 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:10.200 league as evaluators. We've had to adjust to the Kyler 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.600 Murray's as the first overall picks. So this is only 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.280 going to change you better. You know, you sit there 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.200 and you don't want to take Thibadeau because he's a 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.760 branding expert or whatever you're you're you're you're missing out. 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.200 Don't don't. Don't let a great player go by because 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:29.080 you have this this a version of a guy that 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.360 likes to, you know, to try and promote himself. And 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.760 I do think like I mean, NFL team's fall into 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.760 that trap all the time. Absolutely, that is such a 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.560 good point because you're looking down the line, You're looking 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.760 at some of these quarterbacks that are getting the deals. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:41.480 I mean, look at Texas and Quinn. You ers, he 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.000 goes to Ohio State League arle early and then he 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:46.920 goes to Texas. He's going to get massive deals in 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.560 Texas and then he'll be a top pick if everything 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.800 plays out the way that it should. I mean, there 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.000 are guys like this arch Manning, what the younger Manning 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.200 that's coming up through the high school ranks is going 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:58.720 to be in that regard as well. I mean, there 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.600 are going to be guys that not only could have 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.120 those pro shop lines, but already have them in the 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.720 back pocket. It's been at least two weeks since we've 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.520 had an argument about Jordan Davis. Oh fun, as we 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.240 get closer to this thing, and he is, at this 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.720 point again in the eyes of the media machine, is 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.880 a pretty much consensus top fifteen pick. How do you 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.040 feel about that? And what like, where where do you 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:25.840 have him packed? I'd do it. If any of you 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.520 guys are scared, you can always count on you for that. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.240 Jeff Jordan Davis, at three hundred sixty pounds, tested as 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.680 the most athletic defensive tackle prospect of all time. He 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.440 ain't that on tape. He ain't that. No, he's the 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.360 second or third best defensive tackle in George's roster. He 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.240 is a space eating dude that ran a really impressive 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.840 forty on tape. I bet you if you count every 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.360 play he made outside the tackle box, you ain't a 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.280 fill hand. Yeah, you won't get to five. So, like, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:16:00.480 he is a really big, really strong run stuff guy. 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.680 But like when I go back to the nose tackle 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:05.400 that I want you to be if you're going to 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.720 be a top fifteen pick, he don't move on a 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.440 football field like Vitavea did. Yeah, vit to ba. I 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.520 give you some pass rush. Yeah. Jordan Davis was a 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.120 space eater. And if a team thinks that with his 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.640 measurable athleticism, offers the upside to be a top fifteen pick, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.560 then more power to him. At twenty four. If the 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.240 Cowboys took Jordan Davis, depending on who is available. I 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.480 might go, okay, but I would totally understand a team 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:32.280 being like, dude, we're not using a first round pick 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.440 on a run stuff. Yeah. I get an argument with 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.120 I think John Owning about this because the on Twitter, 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.840 and it was about because I've seen how much Nickel 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.240 does dan Quinn play a lot? Is he going to 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:44.800 be on Is this guy going to be on the 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.080 field as a pass rusher all the time? You know? 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.920 And no disrespect to John if you're listening, but I 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.840 just kind of thought, how would you use this guy? Yeah, 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.960 you would use them early down stuff. Look what they 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:56.760 do at Georgia. They take him off the field in 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.840 some pass rushing situation. Yes, you know, so to me, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.040 I agree with Jeff and and I think there's things 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.720 about him, the athletic stuff. This is guy's a freak 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:08.720 of nature. Is a vita va? No, he's absolutely not, 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.639 you know. And on my board, with the way he sits. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.439 When I put this thing out, you're gonna see him. 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.440 I got him in the second round, got twenty first 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.760 round grades, and he's not one of my twenty first 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.600 round grades. You know, he's somewhere in that mix. We've 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.760 talked about him all the time. Somewhere between twenty four 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.640 and maybe thirty two, somewhere he's a you know, he's 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.359 kind of maybe in that spot. But I don't I 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.160 agree with Jeff on that do you think? Sorry, real quick, 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.320 Cole was gonna say, I kind of disagree, Okay, I 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.480 think I think he is. I think he is a 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.320 first round pick. And I get the thought process because 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.320 at least the Georgie you look on the film, he 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.399 didn't pass rush, he didn't get out to the to 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.359 the numbers, he didn't go sideline. The sideline left and 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.240 eighty eight came in. They played better do a certain ex. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.040 Jayleen Carter is gonna be a top ten pick. I 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.240 was about to say, Jay Carton's phenomenal, So Davante Wyatt. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.840 I also didn't have to get to the outside of 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.000 the whole lot because he had the Kobe Deane behind him, 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.280 because he had Trey Von Walker on the outside, because 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.840 he had Quay Walker coming on the back end as well. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:06.600 He didn't have to do a whole lot of that. 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:10.119 So basically his role at Georgia was run stuffing, because 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.760 that was the role that he was kind of pigeonholed 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.440 into because he was on a defense that's so historic. 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.359 I think he could bring that to the table. I 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.479 think I see a little bit of that athleticism when 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.280 you watch the tape and there are a couple plays 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.399 where he does get outside. Like you said, maybe you 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.720 can't count on one finger. I saw four, maybe three, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.920 But I only watched five games of this guy. So 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:32.840 turn around and maybe you put him on a roster 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.040 and he's able to play three downs in the NFL. 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.520 He shows you something that he didn't necessarily have to 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.359 show you while he was at Georgia. I'd rather have 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.840 Wyatt than him. He's a good player too, Yeah, I mean, 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:46.080 I mean they're both people. When people semi mock drafts 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.879 where Wyatt's the number twenty four pick, I get happy 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.000 for those people. I think those people get it. I 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.080 really do. Give me, give me the disruptive three technique. 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.200 I think he's gonna be an Eagle. Yeah. I don't 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.240 think he would be here though, because they've spent so 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.600 much on three techniques and each of the last one. 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.480 Oh no, I'm not. I'm just saying I just know. 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.479 I I mean, I'm here. I'm just talking about as 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.440 a player. I'm talking about as a player. I think 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.520 the team that selects him, when they do, I'm gonna 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.600 be that's that team I think gets a pick, it'll 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:15.239 be the right thing. Yeah, I think the team will 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.639 get it real cool. Like when you see a Trayvon 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.240 Walker climbed to number one overall, Like when a Daniel 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.080 Jeremiah puts him up there. We kind of sit there 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.840 and say, like somebody who knows stuff is telling him this. 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.240 That is the end, which is the problem. Not to 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.359 take anything away from his scouting a billing. If it 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.040 scares you, yeah, it scares you. You You know when when 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:35.959 when all of a sudden, when you sit there and 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.960 you don't particularly like somebody and then all of a 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.600