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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army and normal folks.

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Speaker 2: And we continue now a part two of our conversation

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Speaker 2: with the Mario Davis right after these brief messages from

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Speaker 2: our general sponsors. So to get to it, your mom

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Speaker 2: and your grandma set a foundation, but you bucked the

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Speaker 2: hell out of them.

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Speaker 1: You had it in you.

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Speaker 2: And so their support and their part and your achieving

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Speaker 2: greatness in your life is the foundation they laid even

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Speaker 2: though it was in you. Like a lot of us

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Speaker 2: young men, the seed may be planted, but instead of

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Speaker 2: putting water on it, we may step all over it.

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Speaker 2: And sounds like that's what you're doing up until the point.

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Speaker 2: And the next person that kind of stepped in for

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Speaker 2: you as someone who's supported your greatness this guy named

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Speaker 2: Chuck Michael Roy. Yeah, tell us about Chuck.

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Speaker 3: So, Chuck was our team's chaplain. He was a Mississippi

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Speaker 3: guy and had.

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Speaker 1: Kind of Arkansas State's team.

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Speaker 3: Arkansas State, Yeah, Arkansas State college football team. He was

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Speaker 3: the campus director for an organization called Campus Outreach, which

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Speaker 3: I think the closest comparison of it is Campus Crusades.

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Speaker 3: And so you know it's this parachurch ministry that's on

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Speaker 3: campus called campus outreach, that I had no understandable who

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Speaker 3: they were, what they did.

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Speaker 4: I just knew he was the team chaplain.

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Speaker 3: He would come by my freshman year and he'd be

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Speaker 3: doing Bible studies, and I knew to go.

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Speaker 4: To those Bible studies. That's just because how I was raised.

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Speaker 3: But you know, and I kind of could go in

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Speaker 3: and answer us a few questions just to kind of

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Speaker 3: make myself feel good and check the box, and then

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Speaker 3: i'd be out. And that was my kind of understanding

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Speaker 3: of who he was and my relationship with him up

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Speaker 3: to that point. Well, once I got out of jail,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was intentionally or not, but

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I felt like he took a

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Speaker 4: He started to.

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Speaker 3: You know, just invite me to lunch and you know,

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Speaker 3: invite me to hang out. And at first, you know,

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Speaker 3: I didn't think nothing about it. You know, he'd be like,

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Speaker 3: let's go.

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Speaker 1: He get a coffee.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I was even drinking coffee at the time.

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Speaker 3: just just kind of talk and then you take me

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Speaker 3: out to lunch. You want to go get some wings

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Speaker 3: the rink and play some basketball, got some got a

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Speaker 4: Sure I'll go.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not thinking much of it, and we're

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Speaker 3: You know what do you think a Christian life looks like?

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Speaker 3: And I was just like, you know, somebody kind of

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Speaker 3: You try to do more.

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Speaker 4: And you know what, what do you think saying is?

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Speaker 3: And if you would have died to day on a

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Speaker 3: go to heaven? You know, just asking me really complicated questions,

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Speaker 4: That's what I remember. Want anything.

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Speaker 3: He wouldn't be judgemental. He wouldn't try to give me,

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Speaker 3: just were questions that I began to wrestle with. But

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Speaker 1: Games, No, man, I don't want to think about that stuff.

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Speaker 3: To try trying to think about all that man, because

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Speaker 4: And but he would not, you know, let me off

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Speaker 3: He would just constantly pursue me, and you know, he

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Speaker 3: Now my grandmother had dementia for a while at this point,

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Speaker 4: Like I don't even want to think about that right now.

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Speaker 4: Are starving making sure that they have food.

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00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 3: If you are you are doing all these things, you're

440
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 3: just giving them a comfortable ride to hell.

441
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: You're giving them a comfortable ride down. That's a great line.

442
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: It's so true. Yes, it's so true.

443
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: All right.

444
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: So the most loving thing that you can do to

445
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: make sure their soul as well.

446
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, do you know where

447
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 4: you're to reside when you leave this place? That's the

448
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 4: most important question.

449
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: And after that it's you know, okay, well we can

450
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: build on there. There's plenty of things that we can

451
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 3: do to build on that, because you know you're going

452
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: to spend eternity in the Kingdom and what you do

453
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 3: once you're there. But first we got to get you

454
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 3: to the other side. While you're living, Mom and Grandma

455
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 3: set the foundation. Chuck had relentless pursuit to give you

456
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: the understanding of your evangelism and what serviceman to you.

457
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: But then.

458
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 2: Oddly, the next person who I think you celebrate along

459
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: your path to greatness that supported your greatness came along

460
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: in a medieval literature course. And that's the weirdest thing.

461
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: I can't even believe I'm talking to a dude about

462
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: a medieval literature course. But what the world is all

463
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: that about, broh.

464
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 4: Man, I do not even know. So God was working

465
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 4: long before I knew what he was doing.

466
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 3: I get ready to go into my senior year, and

467
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: I had kind of came into college with a graduated

468
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 3: early plan. It was because I was doing the summer courses.

469
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: So if I'm gonna be there all over the summers,

470
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 3: you know, let's go in and expedite how long it's

471
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 3: gonna take me to kind of graduate. So going into

472
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,239
Speaker 3: my senior year, I wasn't supposed to have, you know,

473
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: any kind of like class where you write papers. I

474
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: was in communication, so it was all about being on

475
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: the radio, making films. It was all hands on projects

476
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: at this point. Well, I got to my senior year

477
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: and going into that fall, my academic advisor told me

478
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: that I needed to take more.

479
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 4: Liberal arts and science classes.

480
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: I hadn't I didn't have enough of them, and I

481
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: was like, you know, kind of what is that? And

482
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: essentially where you're gonna have to write a bunch of

483
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: pays and I was, I was up in arms about it,

484
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: but it was just like, you know, okay, what do

485
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 3: I gotta do? And essentially they told me that it

486
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 3: was going to take me an additional semester to graduate,

487
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: and so that's what I really didn't like. And I

488
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: was like, well, you know, essentially I got to get

489
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: all of this in before next May, because I know

490
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: I want to go to the.

491
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 4: League and I don't want to be having to you know,

492
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 4: not graduate before I before I finished. And so I

493
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 4: was like, okay, well let's just do it.

494
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: So I stacked my classes, you know, that entire fall

495
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 3: and next spring with all the classes.

496
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: That I needed. I mean, I was jamming like twenty

497
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 4: hours in both semesters.

498
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: When you say twenty eighteen twenty hours, that's hard, that's

499
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: hard just a student. They don't understand the other six

500
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: hours you're spending a practice in the weight room, on

501
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: the field and film study in team meetings and position

502
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: meetings and everything else. Man, When you talk about stack

503
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: at twenty hours two semesters role while being a varsity

504
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: athlete at the collegiate level. Folks don't understand you couldn't

505
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 2: have been asleep in more than three four hours.

506
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: And now it was crazy. I mean literally, I had

507
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: my It's taught me a lot of discipline. So when

508
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 3: I was in class and when I had football, with

509
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: the hours that I couldn't allocate my time too because

510
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: it was already taken up. And so literally I learned

511
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: how to work with a calendar and started to block

512
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: out my day when I would write certain papers when

513
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: I was study for each class, and literally would block

514
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: off time to do it all. Like my day from

515
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 3: Monday through Sunday was accounted for, all my time. And

516
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: I got extremely disciplined, and God had gotten me to

517
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: a place a super maturity for a college student. At

518
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: this time, I was leading Bible study, I was leading

519
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 3: another group on campus. I was a leader in campus outreach,

520
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: and I was very disciplined and I would just go

521
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: do my class work, do my schoolwork, and whatever other

522
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: leadership obligations that I had.

523
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 4: And I was like locked in.

524
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 3: And so I get to the end of December and literally,

525
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 3: because of what had taken place, now I got to

526
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: get the next set of classes, and those classes where

527
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 3: I remember talking to micademic advisor was just like, as

528
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 3: long as I don't take medieval, I'm good.

529
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 4: I had a.

530
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 3: Bad experience in high school, and I was just like, yeah,

531
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: no Medieval for me. Whatever else they got, let me

532
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 3: get that. And so I locked it in and then

533
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: I come back in the spring. You know, you book

534
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: your schedule before you leave and then you come back.

535
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: I came back and I remember my academic advisor called

536
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: me over and was saying, hey, there was something messed

537
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: up in the system. We got to get you another class.

538
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: And the only class that I could take was Medieval.

539
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: So I was I was forced to take that class

540
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 3: after I said absolutely not and lower me home. Oh

541
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: that was the class that I would end up meeting

542
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 3: my my my future wife man. And uh, it was

543
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: a couple of classes. You know, we would all went

544
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: to African Americans in the class, so you know, you

545
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: kind of recognize that, but at the time, I'm I'm

546
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: you know, I'm so.

547
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 2: Actually actually what you said was, and I quote, So

548
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: I go to class and Tamla the only chocolates in there.

549
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: You use the word chocolates.

550
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely so she was sitting in the back. I stole them.

551
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 4: I strow them. It's kind of my claim the fame.

552
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: Over black jelly beans and a jar full of white ones.

553
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: Man. So, uh, I kind of go into class and

554
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: I noticed her, but I'm so focused at this point,

555
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 3: like girls aren't even on my you know, not even

556
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 3: what I'm thinking.

557
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: And you know, the schedule.

558
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, there ain't no time. Ain't no time for that.

559
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: And uh but God had already told me that, you know,

560
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: when I was ready, that he would bring my wife

561
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: to me.

562
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: And I was.

563
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: Kind of in that phase of I knew I was looking,

564
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: but I wasn't, you know, actively dating or doing anything

565
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: like that.

566
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 4: So, you know, a little bit into it.

567
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: We became really good friends and once we had our

568
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: first conversation, it was just kind of like a match

569
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: was lit. Like we became great friends really fast, hanging

570
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: out all the time. And I met her in January,

571
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: and by May I had asked her to be my girlfriend.

572
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: And I told her that, you know, I was I

573
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 3: wasn't just you know, kind of asking me my girlfriend,

574
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: but I was looking for a wife, and that's what

575
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 3: I was evaluating, to see if we could be married,

576
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: and I didn't know how she would take that, but man,

577
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: she had this huge smile that came across her face

578
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: when I said that.

579
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: And it was on from there.

580
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: Man, we had this this unique level of attraction for

581
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: one another that that that wasn't just romantic. It was,

582
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: like I said, we had a deep friendship, and it

583
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: just we just liked being around each other. And man,

584
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: that just continued to grow in you know, I proposed

585
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 3: in December, and literally that next year, I got drafted,

586
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: and we got married in the same year of twenty twelve,

587
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: and our life began. We were in New York and

588
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: so literally it happened so fast, just kind of our

589
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: dating period. And then the next thing, you know, we're

590
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 3: married and we're thrust into to life together.

591
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 4: And man, we.

592
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: Have just over the years just continue to grow that friendship.

593
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: We are literally the best of friends. We've had many, many,

594
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: many high times together and a few really low moments

595
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: just in dealing with with kids and the different things

596
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: that come up in marriage. But we are the best

597
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 3: of friends, and we continue to learn more and more

598
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: about each other, and you know, just what we are

599
00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: fourteen years in we all want accord have six beautiful kids. Man,

600
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: God knew he was doing something. He knew I needed.

601
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: He knew I needed a helpmate. Like when God said

602
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: it's not good for men to be alone, I feel

603
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: like he was talking specifically about me.

604
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.

605
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: Once you decided she was going to be your girlfriend,

606
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: you guys made a very uncommon college that age choice

607
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: leading up to your marriage.

608
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 3: Would you share that, Yeah, I mean I was celibate

609
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: at the time. I was celibate at the time. I

610
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: had been celibate for I want to say two years

611
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: up to.

612
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 4: Meeting her, and.

613
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: I had asked her to be my girlfriend, or asked

614
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: her to be my Valentine in February, and I told

615
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: her it was only on one condition. She needed to

616
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 3: be my Valentine for the whole weekend because I really

617
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: wanted to spoil. I really wanted to kind of go

618
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: in and you know, put all my charm out there.

619
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: And your game. Man. Yeah, I had to do.

620
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: What the kids called ribs these days. And uh, I

621
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: didn't know. She was like, I don't know about that.

622
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: And I was kind of hesitating because I thought I

623
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: was a good catcher.

624
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: You know.

625
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: I was like, well, why why you gotta have hesitation,

626
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 4: what's up with that?

627
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: But she was really evaluatingding with one of her friends

628
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: that told her, like, the reason I wanted her to

629
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: put a weekend was because I was trying to get

630
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: her draws, you know.

631
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 4: And uh, and she was like, hold up, that ain't happening,

632
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 4: you know.

633
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: And so when I told her, we were just having

634
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: a conversation, was hanging out and I was talking to

635
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: one of my friends and uh, he was like, you've

636
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: been you celibate? And I was like, yeah, He's like,

637
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: how long have you been celibate? She was another room.

638
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: I was like two years and she said she heard

639
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: it that moment, and that's when she knew it was

640
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: like okay to come back and tell me. Yeah, and

641
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: but yeah, I'd been set up it for two years

642
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: at that point. And so for for me, you know,

643
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: it was you know, off the table. That wasn't even

644
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: an option that you know, you know, having sex, like

645
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: that's that's not the way I want to kind of

646
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: enter this thing. And it was to be my first

647
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: relationship that was actually pure, and uh, you know, I

648
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: kind of let her know that that's what I was about,

649
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: and she she respected that and wanted that, and uh

650
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: so it became you know, both of us protecting, you know,

651
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 3: our priority to the finish line, which was really hard

652
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: to do because once you kind of know who your

653
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: person is, is all these justifications that want to kind

654
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: of come in your your head as to why you

655
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: could go ahead and cross those lines.

656
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 2: Man, I know now why you have six kids, because

657
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: you had a whole lot of stored up sexual energy.

658
00:34:54,239 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: Absolutely as an aside my wife Lisa of thirty five

659
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: years and our four children. You know, I can't help

660
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: but hear you and just share with you and kind

661
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: of tap it up with you virtually. She's my best friend.

662
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 2: She's right now away for four days, and she left

663
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: yesterday and I woke up this morning really lonely, and

664
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: I've kind of been sad all day because she's so

665
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 2: far away right now. And so I feel you when

666
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: you say you made your best friend and how important

667
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: that is. And I have an enormous amount of respect

668
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: for your approach to having a pure relationship leading up

669
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: to marriage. But it also speaks to her love for

670
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: you and her being a best friend. And I got

671
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: to ask, you're a good looking dude. You're in the

672
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 2: league ten years. I've coached a lot of kids over

673
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 2: thirty five years, and I've coached a number of movement

674
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: in the league, and I have friends with championship rings

675
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: and Super Bowl rings, So I understand. I've never been there,

676
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 2: but I understand through their experiences the trappings of the league.

677
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: And you know, man, everybody thinks these young, buckstrong, hyper

678
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 2: aggressive type A personalities with a pocket full of money. Man,

679
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: there are thousands of women lined up to tap into that.

680
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: And the strength that takes to avoid that can only

681
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: come from both faith and being hitched to your best friend.

682
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Number one has had to be faith. You have

683
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 3: to have a foundation that has to be a reason why.

684
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: That's greater than anything else. I think the best friend

685
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 3: piece is what helps you navigate it. But it has

686
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: to be it has to be real because it's gonna

687
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: be tested. It has to be the real thing. And

688
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: I think I kind of came into the league. I

689
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 3: had all these you know, kind of coming out of

690
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 3: a college ministry.

691
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: I had all these practical things and tools to kind

692
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 4: of put into place.

693
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: But being tested on a college level and being tested

694
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: in the program is it is totally different.

695
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 4: It's totally different. And I didn't.

696
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: I didn't handle it perfect. I didn't handle it perfect.

697
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: I mean I think for a long time I was.

698
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: I was, I was very solid. But probably around you

699
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: your seven or year eight that the testings got real.

700
00:37:54,080 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: And if it had not been for my accountability team,

701
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: some some very strong pastors, some very strong counseling, and

702
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 3: the grace of my wife, I would have I would

703
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: have been destroyed.

704
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 4: I would have been destroyed.

705
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: Too much power, too much money, too quick if you

706
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: don't have a foundation and a team around you of

707
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: love and grace and compassion and friendship to support you

708
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: through all that.

709
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely, And it's a journey and you have to

710
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 4: make sure.

711
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: I think that's what when I'm talking to to men, especially,

712
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: you better make sure you got the real thing on

713
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,800
Speaker 3: the inside and that you've done the real work.

714
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 4: Because the enemy knows. The enemy watch all your film

715
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 4: and he gonna come.

716
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: I love that he is.

717
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: He's right now off in the film room watching all

718
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: your film.

719
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: He knows every move.

720
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 4: And tod ain't if he coming, is when he coming

721
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 4: and how?

722
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 3: And the biggest thing, I think, one of the biggest

723
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: things that I had to learn through through my journey

724
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: and my struggles where the first thing you gotta drop

725
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 3: is your pride, and that's what happens in this space.

726
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 3: I think your pride get built up so high so

727
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 3: you may think like, oh I can I can play

728
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: with fire, like I know I'm not gonna cross the line.

729
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 4: Especially when you've been walking.

730
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: A spiritual journey for a certain amount of time, You're like, Okay, well,

731
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: I know how the enemy gonna come. I'm ready. I

732
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: got all these tactics. And it's like the way you

733
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: think the enemy coming ain't the way that the enemy

734
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: is coming. And I think that's what has moved me

735
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 3: into the space now to where me and me and

736
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: my wife are is because we had to journey through

737
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: a lot of that, and her level of grace and

738
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: her level of her for the two with the Lord

739
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: emboldened me to go through the fire and come out

740
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: the other side with a lot of scars, but not unburnt.

741
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: The Mario Davis, your mom, your grandma giving you the

742
00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: right foundation, Chuck Michelroy with relentless pursuit to to help

743
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: you on your path toward faithful leadership and the love

744
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 2: and the grace and the friendship of Tamila and really,

745
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 2: the story could end there and we could rap, because

746
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 2: that's an amazing group of people, in an army of

747
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: normal folks who has supported you and anybody who's made

748
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: it through a decade in the league and been nominated

749
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: for the Walter Payton designation and gained the respect of

750
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 2: the league and the people in the locker room much

751
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: more than just being an all pro, but being an

752
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: all world human. That's enough. But the truth is all

753
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: of that, while it is incredible and awesome, it really

754
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: hadn't been your end goal. And I'd like now to

755
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: transition to let our listeners hear about this well, and

756
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: I want to set it up. So much of the

757
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: NFL world is misunderstood and simultaneously sensationalized. I wish our

758
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: listeners would understand. We get all of the media about

759
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 2: the fifty million dollar contracts and all that, but supporting

760
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: all of that, a lot of times are dudes that

761
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: are free agents, that are on practice squads, that are

762
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: working just as hard as the guys and sometimes twice

763
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: as hard as the guys making the big million dollar

764
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 2: contracts we hear about, and they're on the league minimum.

765
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: And the reason I'm saying that is the NFL is

766
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: certainly full of multimillionaires, but there's far more people you

767
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: don't know about who are just dudes trying to make

768
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: a check and literally living year to year and sometimes

769
00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 2: game to game. So even even in that world, you're

770
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: surrounded with this wide cross section of people in different

771
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: walks of life, and you navigated that and you're successful

772
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: into both on the field and off the field at

773
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: an extraordinary high level. And we give tribute to your mom,

774
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: your Grandma, Chuck and Tamila to help you get there.

775
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: But now to transition out of all that and partner

776
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: with our shared partners stand together. I really want to

777
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: know how you got to be in the cool spot

778
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 2: you are now supporting other people's greatness and what in

779
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: the world Devoter Dreamers Foundation is and what life is

780
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: now as tomorrow uses the foundation of these three people

781
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: that support it as greatness, the decade of work in

782
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: the NFL to now do what seems to be now you're.

783
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 3: Calling, Yeah, it's interesting that we really just had my

784
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: wife and I had really a heart.

785
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: To give back that was molded out of our story.

786
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 4: We saw the gaps that.

787
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 3: Existed in society as far as.

788
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: You know, education that really became a bridge for us.

789
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: It was because we ultimately ended up in college that

790
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: became a new space, and a lot of kids kind

791
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: of missed that bridge coming out of high school for

792
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: a lot of reasons.

793
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 4: What I saw was a gap in reading, comprehension and.

794
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: A basic arithmetic, And what she saw was that the

795
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: system was heavily around testing but wasn't around people learning.

796
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 3: And so we kind of set out on a quest

797
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: initially to solve that. We started to vote to Dreamers

798
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen, and it really was just equip the

799
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: next generation of leaders spiritually, mentally, and physically, making sure

800
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: that they had everything that they needed to reach their dreams.

801
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: How could we be the bridge from where they were

802
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: in life and helped them kind of get to that

803
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: next point, which could be college, trade school, you know, entrepreneurship,

804
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 3: career endeavor. How do we get them, you know, across

805
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: that bridge. And it really was just wrap around support

806
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: for them, their family, resources, tools, access, and really understanding

807
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: and hearing them. And so we were on this mission

808
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: for individualized education I think became before it became like

809
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: a cool and heavily used tagline. And then along that journey,

810
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: We didn't just believe in kids flourishing, we believed in

811
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 3: human flourishing. And so that's actually how we came into

812
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: contact with Standing Together kind of on you know, two

813
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 3: different tracks.

814
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 4: So we were working our way up.

815
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: With devoted dreamers and for a greater part of a

816
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 3: decade working with that.

817
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: Well.

818
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 3: At the same time, we became involved with a Players Coalition,

819
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 3: which partnered with the NFL to deal with economic mobility,

820
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: criminal justice reform, all these social justice pillars that were

821
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: kind of dealing with with gaps that were in the

822
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: margins of society. And Standing Together kind of came into

823
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: contact with Player's Coalition through Cafe Momentum, and as I

824
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 3: was kind of you know, learning about them, I was

825
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 3: really intrigued about what they were doing.

826
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: Chad House was a bad man that we're in the

827
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: letter right now.

828
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 3: We went to Cafe Momentum here last night. It's just

829
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: incredible just to that's awesome.

830
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: Sorry to interrupt you, but when you when you said

831
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 2: Cafe Momentum, Chad Houser has been a guest, and I

832
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: think the world and what he's done.

833
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: Off the chain, and so kind of there was an

834
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 3: overlap and I became intrigued at what they were doing

835
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: at a higher level, and at that time they kind

836
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 3: of got wind of what we were doing in Devoted

837
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: Dreamers and wanted to really come behind us as as

838
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: social entrepreneurs and really become a gust behind us. And

839
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: we just kind of went on this journey together. We

840
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: we uh did kind of the principal base management module

841
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: and really started to dream together and think about what

842
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: was possible around Devoted Dreams Academy and really taking it

843
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: to the next level, but really being able to speak

844
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: into across several pillars, but especially around individual education and

845
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 3: kind of really amplifying the volume of that being a

846
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 3: social wave of change. And so that really has helped

847
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 3: take the Voted Dreams to the next level and really

848
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: been influential and kind of our models other people want

849
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: to kind of model and build out. And so we've

850
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: been able to be voices of expertise out of a

851
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 3: road that we pioneered very early on and have kind

852
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: of been you know, driving down.

853
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: For a while.

854
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 3: It's really just about, you know, understanding that kids are unique.

855
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 3: They all have their strengths, they all have their limitations,

856
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: and the earlier that you can kind of tap into

857
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: that and really make sure that they feel seen and

858
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 3: heard and understood and care for and motivated. I mean,

859
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 3: you just changed the landscape of the amount of kids

860
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 3: that are falling between the cracks and it really just

861
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: produced a better society. But at the same time, our

862
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 3: end goal is human for flourishing. It's understanding that what.

863
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: I was going to ask say that again our end goal,

864
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: that's that's really what I wanted to get to with

865
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: regard to voter Dreamers Foundation is what's the end goal.

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00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 4: The end goal is human flourishing. That's so it's not

867
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 4: just kids.

868
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: We want everybody to note that it's never too early

869
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 3: and never too late to dream and God has uniquely

870
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: placed something inside you.

871
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 4: We are all different.

872
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: If you want to know how different we are, you

873
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: got to do is look at look at our fingerprints.

874
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 4: There are no two sets of fingerprints that are exactly

875
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 4: the same.

876
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: And what that means is you have unique gifts and

877
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 3: strengths that I don't have or anyone else has. And

878
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: it's about being able to identify that and be able

879
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: to pull that out and maximize that and how.

880
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 4: Do you help people self actualized? And we believe it's

881
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 4: a bottom of approach.

882
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: It's not a top down, it's not a blanket that's

883
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: going to come in and be a solve for everybody.

884
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 3: You have to get on the ground with people. You

885
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 3: have to understand them, you have to pour into them.

886
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: And that's what it means to be a good neighbor.

887
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: It's where are you, what's your need? And how can

888
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: I help you become the best version of yourself. That's

889
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: what we believe in and how do you live that out?

890
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: It looks different in every single space. It's just about

891
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: showing up, being real, being authentic, and encourage other people

892
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: to be authentic. And in that real human and human connection,

893
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: that's where the dreams that are beyond our imaginations they lie.

894
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: I wish we had four more hours and I'm going

895
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: to see you, I think in a few months at

896
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: Standing Together thing and yeah, I'm buy you some wings

897
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: and hot chocolate and We're gonna hang out for a

898
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 2: minute because I got a lot more to talk about

899
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: with you.

900
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm here for it. I canna wait, man, We'll be

901
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: right back.

902
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 2: Alex, our producer does and the team that support this

903
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: whole Rick and Roll show, we do do a really

904
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: good job of v me a lot of information, but

905
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 2: it's on me to read it all and assimilate it

906
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: and figure out how I'm gonna try to tell your

907
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: story in a halfway concise way that people are interested

908
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: in and and do you justice. Part of that was

909
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: a clip I watched of you, and I think it

910
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 2: was at a Saints press conference after a game, because

911
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: you said it was Sunday and you said today supposed

912
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: to be worshiping and instead of playing a game, and

913
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,479
Speaker 2: I guess that's where you're supposed to answer questions about

914
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: a game, but instead you shocked me because you opened

915
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: with scripture out of revelations, and then you talked about

916
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: your child and her struggle with epilepsy. So just because

917
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: you're this big NFL player doesn't mean you don't have

918
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: normal person problems. I'd like you to share with us

919
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: for a perspective for everybody listening about the work you're

920
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: doing with the voted Dreamers, that you wouldn't have been

921
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 2: there without your mom and your grandma and Chuck McElroy

922
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 2: and Tandla, And it hadn't just been a cruise. Even

923
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 2: though you got over your difficulties in high school and college,

924
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: you're a real person. And real people, normal folks have issues,

925
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: and you've got daughters who have battled sickness, and it

926
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 2: led to a really unconventional postgame speech that was a

927
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 2: couple of years ago that I watched, and I want

928
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: to ask you one to just kind of concisely, in

929
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 2: the interest of time, tell that story so that our

930
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: people have even greater perspective on you, and that just

931
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: because you're an NFL doesn't mean all things are perfect

932
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: and peachy and cream. We all struggle and we got

933
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 2: to overcome those struggles to have an effect in this world.

934
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: But the second part of that question, I couldn't help.

935
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: But wonder.

936
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: Is the people in that room listening to you that

937
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: the cameras trained on you, but behind the cameras, all

938
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 2: these folks writing down and listen to what you have

939
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: to say in reporting on what you say. Just wonder

940
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: what their reaction was when you didn't talk a daggum

941
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: thing about football and you dropped revelations on them and

942
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: kind of called everybody out in the room, including yourself,

943
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: for not being a church being a football game the

944
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 2: first play that whole I'd love to know a little

945
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 2: bit about that scene. And then I'd like you to

946
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: share with everybody the reality of just being a broken

947
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: human man that even though he's a bigger NFL star

948
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: that people cheer for and see that when you go home,

949
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: you take the helmet off, you struggle just like the

950
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: rest of us.

951
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

952
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 3: I so that that moment came out of a week.

953
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 4: It was the opening week of the season, and I

954
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 4: knew that.

955
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 3: Some type of challenge was gonna come home. I just

956
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 3: didn't know what was gonna happen that week. You know,

957
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: anytime you you kind of go through a new word

958
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 3: or you kind of preach a sermon on the subject,

959
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 3: it's gonna come up. And I was in this season

960
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: of just understanding like warfare and you know, being able

961
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: to shout at the enemy and take authority. And we

962
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 3: had a birthday party that week, and my one of

963
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: my daughters was having a birthday party and all the

964
00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: kids was overplaying and my daughter would epilepsic. Call Faith,

965
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: who's already gone through a battle of campcer and came

966
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 3: out the other side fully remission. No issues with that,

967
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: but that's better. With her epilepsy, she's in the pool

968
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: and she has a seizure. And I noticed that the

969
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 3: seizure is happening. She's kind of conscious, but she's kind

970
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: of you know, stamming over her words, and I kind

971
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: of take her in the house, I tell my wife,

972
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: and it's a bunch of people around, so I'm not

973
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: trying to make a scene. So I kind of pulled

974
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 3: my wife to the side and I'm like, I think

975
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: she's having a seizure, and my wife like, yeah, she's

976
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 3: having a seizure.

977
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 4: So we kind of take her in the room, and

978
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 4: the siege just continues.

979
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: It continues on and to the to the point where

980
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: we have to call the ambulance and you know, the

981
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 3: paramedics they come and they come inside, and we're trying

982
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 3: of trying to walk them through, like you know, kind

983
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: of we've gone through this scenario, but the paramedics are

984
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 3: kind of dragging it out, and we're like, she just

985
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: needs to go to the hospital. She needs you know,

986
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: she needs to get you know, a certain type of shot,

987
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: you know, and so we're kind of going through that.

988
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 3: But this time, you know, everybody the party stopped. Everybody's

989
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: kind of realizing, you know, what's going on, because the

990
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: paramedics are there and the middle of the party, and

991
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 3: so we leave the party and my wife gets in

992
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: the back of the mulance truck and I'm driving behind her,

993
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 3: and I'm scared for my daughter because the caesar has

994
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 3: lasted longer than they're supposed to, and you just never know. Typically,

995
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 3: you know, they're they're pretty safe if you can kind

996
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 3: of you know, make sure that they're not you know,

997
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 3: swallowing the tongue or anything like that. But if they

998
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 3: go a certain amount of time without it breaking, you know,

999
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 3: it's all type of complications that can kind of come

1000
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: from that. And you know, as I'm riding the car,

1001
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 3: just I know what's taking place, and the Lord is like,

1002
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: you know what you gotta do, and he just starts

1003
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 3: to calm my spirit, but I started to outwardly just

1004
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 3: you know, cast down the enemy and.

1005
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 4: Call on the power of God into the situation.

1006
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 3: And we get to the hospital and my wife is

1007
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 3: telling me that my daughter flatlined twice on the way

1008
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 3: over there, and you know.

1009
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 4: She's still not out of it, and they get her medicine.

1010
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: They end up breaking the seizure, but she goes right

1011
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: to sleep, and so at this point, we don't know

1012
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: how she's going to wake up.

1013
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 4: We don't know if she's going to be good. We don't,

1014
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 4: we don't.

1015
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 3: We don't know, like and when when the seizuon was

1016
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 3: happening this long, it could have brain damage, it could

1017
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 3: call speech delays, it could be all these different things.

1018
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 3: And uh, she kind of came out of it at

1019
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: one point, you know, kind of you know, woke up

1020
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: a little bit and her words were slurred, but.

1021
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 4: It kind of sounded like she was talking in tongues.

1022
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 4: It was a very weird moment.

1023
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 3: And then she went back to sleep, and you know

1024
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: that night, you know, just have been praying and she

1025
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 3: woke up and she just was talking so clear, and

1026
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: all of her words were like spot on it. I mean,

1027
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: you know, a child, they.

1028
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 4: They all kind of stutter over their words.

1029
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 3: And you know, I want to say she was maybe

1030
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 3: four or five at the time, so you know, they kind.

1031
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: Us stutter over their words, you know, kids.

1032
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 3: But she was talking so clear and so sharp, and

1033
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: you know, I got to get up and go to

1034
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 3: practice the next day.

1035
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 4: Actually, gotta get it.

1036
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: I gotta go to I got a game the next day,

1037
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: and so I'm like, I need to get risk, but

1038
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: I'm worried about my baby.

1039
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 4: And it was like at that moment that I essentially

1040
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 4: heard the knock.

1041
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 3: And and that's what I kind of talked to a

1042
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: revelation that the Lord is at the door and he knocks,

1043
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: and if we open the door, he'll come in and

1044
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: down with us, and that getting up to open the

1045
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: door is an act of faith. And that's what I

1046
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: was speaking to that, you know, many of us are

1047
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: praying and God is answering, but we have to get

1048
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: up and we have to answer the knock. And so

1049
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 3: my my answering the door was was speaking out and

1050
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: praying and being intentional why my heart is aching and

1051
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: worried and concerned about my daughter while she's flat lining

1052
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 3: that I'm calling out to the Lord and faith that

1053
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: I'm saying, thank you Lord for this moment in faith.

1054
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: And that answered no, you know of him being there

1055
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 3: or him coming into the room, was when I heard

1056
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 3: my daughter talking clear like I literally went to sleep.

1057
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, she's good, and she literally came home the

1058
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 3: next day and most time after seize your that there's

1059
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: all these That's what I kind of was talking to

1060
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: people with kids with epilepsy or have experienced ebolis that

1061
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: they know that it's not an immediate comeback.

1062
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 4: It's nice.

1063
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 3: Even if everything's good, it takes a little bit of

1064
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: that engine has the rampus way back up.

1065
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 4: But literally the next day she was back good. She

1066
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 4: was back good and was able to be able to

1067
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 4: come home. So it was a Friday.

1068
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 3: Was the part of this was Saturday, because the kids

1069
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: were back over there on Saturday and they were playing again,

1070
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 3: and my daughter came home while they were playing, and

1071
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: she was good, and she was able to go back

1072
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: outside and play, and it was like twenty four hours

1073
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 3: had passed and everything had changed, and man, it just

1074
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: was this rich that I got a chance to see God.

1075
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 3: But as I share that with the press conference, I

1076
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,479
Speaker 3: knew going into that game on Sunday that was like, Devil,

1077
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: you messed up. Because I was already gonna praise God,

1078
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: because I already had like this inter feeling of like

1079
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 3: I needed to say something just to give good to God,

1080
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: just to open the season the right way. But I

1081
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: was like, you messed up because you gave me something

1082
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 3: that I could connect with all people. I wasn't gonna

1083
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 3: have to use a reference from the game that only

1084
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 3: certain people could identify with. You gave me something that

1085
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: all humanity could connect with and that thing went viral,

1086
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: and that's.

1087
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: What it was.

1088
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 4: It's just because I'm a human. I'm just a person.

1089
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 4: I'm not.

1090
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 3: This you know, really remarkable hero that s itsn't a

1091
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 3: different echelon of society and other people.

1092
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 4: I'm a human being, I'm a father, I'm a husband.

1093
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: Sounds pretty normal.

1094
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's I get the same attacks as

1095
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 3: everybody else, and I deal with him and rustle with

1096
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 3: with the same emotions that everybody else.

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Speaker 4: The only thing that can separate us is our faith.

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00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 4: You know, is like, are you willing to do something

1099
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 4: that's not depending on you?

1100
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: Because if I'm dependent on me, I'm a broken vessel

1101
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: and I can do nothing.

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 4: I have no power.

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: We'll be right back.

1104
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: So when you walk up to the podium after a

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00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 2: football game open the week Sunday, leader of the team,

1106
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: and all the presses there and they're ready to ask

1107
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: a questions about the football game, and you say, we'll

1108
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: talk about football a lot this year, but I ain't

1109
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 2: gonna talk any and you read a scripture from Revelations

1110
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: and tell the room the story that you just told me,

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00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: and say to the people covering the NFL we're in

1112
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: the football game. We're supposed to be in church. So

1113
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: this is why I'm gonna give you. And he don't

1114
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: even take any questions. After you tell the story, you

1115
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: tell what it should mean. Their body, you gone, you vamed.

1116
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: What were the faces in the room?

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Speaker 4: Like it was still, But I knew that it connected.

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Speaker 3: I'm a person that speaks from the heart, and so

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 3: I can always feel that heart to heart connection, and

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Speaker 3: that's what I was.

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Speaker 4: For me. It wasn't an option.

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Speaker 3: I mean because I had already made my fowl to

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Speaker 3: the Lord, you know, prior to the game that if

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Speaker 3: everything kind of went how he was suggesting that I

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01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 3: was going to kind of come out the other side

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Speaker 3: and give him glory.

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01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 4: And so that's all that's all that I could do.

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Speaker 3: And it was just like when I went to my locker,

1129
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: my Bible was right there out maybe because I was

1130
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 3: using it before the game. I was like, oh, I

1131
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 3: gotta take it, I gotta go, And so I just

1132
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: went up there and read it, and I you know,

1133
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 3: it's kind of like going into it. You know, once

1134
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 3: the game start, you got to go. And that's that's

1135
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 3: how it was, like, podium, let's go, don't even think

1136
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 3: about it.

1137
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: It was such an awesome moment. And when we put

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01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: your U when we edit this up and this interview

1139
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: goes live, Alex, please put a link somehow to that thing.

1140
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: And if you're listening to us, and you know all

1141
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: the audience, when when you when we finish up here

1142
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: soon take the extra five minutes, go that link. It

1143
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 2: will it will tell you who the man Tomorrio Davis is.

1144
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: I want to wrap.

1145
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: But the last real question is this, I think very powerfully,

1146
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 2: and I think it's a great segue from what you

1147
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 2: just said, because you speak from the heart, and that

1148
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 2: press conference rus from the heart. You've spoken very powerfully.

1149
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: After interviewing so many people, I read a lot, you know,

1150
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 2: I speak, I got a podcast, so you know, I've

1151
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: heard and seen a lot of metaphors and talked about

1152
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 2: UH and I think about language a lot. But this one,

1153
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 2: this one was a new one to me and I'm

1154
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 2: still actually thinking about it. But you speak very powerfully

1155
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: about the difference in transparency and vulnerability. Share with us

1156
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 2: how you see the difference in transparency and vulnerability, and

1157
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: how you find the courage to be so vulnerable with

1158
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 2: your story and why you do that.

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, So transparency and vulnerability is really about power. So

1160
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: I can share with you what I want to share

1161
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 3: with you, and if ultimately I'm in control of the

1162
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 3: narrative of how that's used. I'm just being transparent so

1163
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 3: I can share something really hard, but I'm not really

1164
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 3: giving you tools to hurt me, right, Like I'm sharing

1165
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 3: with you information that I want you to know. But

1166
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 3: like i'm sharing about, you know, my daughter, or I'm

1167
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 3: sharing about hardships that or that I've been to jail,

1168
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 3: it's all public information. It's already out there, you know.

1169
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 3: I'm just sharing that. So I'm being transparent. I'm showing

1170
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: you kind of behind the shield. But being vulnerable is

1171
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 3: giving you information that you could use in turn to

1172
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 3: hurt me. So I guess I'll give you an example

1173
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 3: of what that would look like. Is like, I have

1174
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 3: a very charming nature, and I could use that to

1175
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 3: be manipula to people, but I don't want to do that.

1176
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 3: Like I don't want to charm because I want real connection.

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01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 3: I don't want you to feel like I'm connected with you.

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01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 3: I really want to connect with you. Now you know

1179
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 3: that now if I'm giving you that piece of information,

1180
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 3: that's going to make you more guarded in our conversations.

1181
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 3: You're gonna be more alert, You're gonna pay attention, like, oh,

1182
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 3: I want to make sure he's not just trying to

1183
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 3: charm me. I'm giving you that to hold me accountable.

1184
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 3: But you could throw that back in my face. You

1185
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 3: could use that to hurt me good, you know, go

1186
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 3: behind my back and tell people, hey, watch him, he's charming,

1187
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 3: he's connoymedy. You could use that now to endanger me.

1188
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 3: I gave you something that you could hurt me with.

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01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: And what I advise people you need to have a

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Speaker 3: few people who you're vulnerable with. You don't give everybody

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01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 3: your vulnerability, but you do have to have some people

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01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 3: that you're vulnerable with, people who could use the information

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01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 3: to hurt you. And so, like things I've walked through

1194
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 3: in life, I have people who've covered me through that journey.

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01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 3: You know, it's not hidden, it's covered like people who

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01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 3: who I'm vulnerable with. And then transparency is where most

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01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 3: people say it's like I'm gonna share something, but at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, like you really can't hurt

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Speaker 3: me with it. I'm not in a vulnerable place, you know,

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01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 3: with you that I'm sharing it, I'm still in control.

1201
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 3: So it might be I'm uncovering something, but at the

1202
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 3: end of the day, I'm still in control of the situation.

1203
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 3: What I just gave you, I'm really vulnerable to it.

1204
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: You could use that to my advantage or not. I'm

1205
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 3: trusting that you're gonna use it in an honest and

1206
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 3: respectful way. That's the difference saying I think you have

1207
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 3: to be willing to get to those vulnerable places for

1208
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 3: real transformation to happen. You got to be vulnerable with yourself,

1209
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 3: and then you have to have people you're vulnerable with

1210
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 3: who can help you navigate. Because what I just gave

1211
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: you vulnerably, now you can hold me accountable. You can

1212
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 3: look at me and say, Mario, I think you were

1213
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 3: being more charming than being real in that situation, which

1214
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 3: would make me because that is a weakness. I've given

1215
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 3: it to you, especially if that's a strength for you,

1216
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna take it and say, you know what,

1217
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 3: I'm human, Maybe I am being charming, maybe I'm not

1218
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 3: being real. Let me go and deal with myself with that.

1219
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 3: And that's what vulnerability allows you to do is really

1220
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: grow Because now when I go sit with that because

1221
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 3: I gave you something where you can help sharpen me

1222
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 3: iron Shopping's eyes. So there's one man another I can

1223
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 3: take it and come out the other side better. But

1224
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 3: it was only through that vulnerable, honest conversation versus if

1225
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 3: I just gave you stuff and because you didn't know it,

1226
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, wow, he's being so real. Really, I'm

1227
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 3: not like that information is out there, you know, it's

1228
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: not making me have to go deal with me.

1229
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Speaker 4: And that's what we got to be able to do

1230
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 4: to get to the.

1231
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Speaker 3: Wrang, dirty human trauma that exists in all of us

1232
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: as broken people. We got to be willing to be vulnerable.

1233
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 3: And I ain't saying just go out there and put

1234
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 3: that out to the world. That's not what I'm saying.

1235
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 3: But you have to have a select few individuals that

1236
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 3: are you vulnerable with and they're either at your level

1237
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 3: above your level where they can call you on your stuff.

1238
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 3: Right if you just go be vulnerable with a group

1239
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 3: that really can't process what you're giving them, that doesn't

1240
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: help you either. You have to have people who can

1241
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: call you on your stuff and tell you what's going on,

1242
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 3: and when they see something off, they can call you

1243
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 3: on it and make you better. And that's what the

1244
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 3: difference between vulnerability and transparence. And once I understood that

1245
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 3: man that changed my world.

1246
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Speaker 1: I love that.

1247
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: That is such good advice for anybody in any endeavor,

1248
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: but especially for disarmy and normal folks trying to inspire.

1249
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: No work where need is is going to be easy,

1250
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 2: and you will not be successful until you have a

1251
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: good group of compasses and people around you with whom

1252
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: you can be vulnerable, that can hold you accountable to

1253
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 2: your goals and help you through the difficulties of achieving

1254
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: what you're trying to do. And I just when I

1255
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: read that about what you said, I thought, that's a

1256
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: really good depth piece for anybody who's trying to work

1257
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: to do anything in our communities. I got a quick

1258
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: question for all our listeners. Anybody wants to know more

1259
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: about the Devoted Dreamers Foundation.

1260
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 4: How do they find that Devoted Dreamers dot org.

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01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: You can go on it.

1262
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 3: You can find us on Instagram, go to our website

1263
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Speaker 3: to voter Dreams dot org.

1264
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: Find us on that.

1265
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 4: You can find on my wife or my page.

1266
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 3: You'll go look at the Devoted Dreamers page on Instagram

1267
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 3: find all of our information.

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Speaker 2: Man, I gotta believe Grandma's thinking. John, I'm proud of

1269
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 2: you when you take stock of where you are now

1270
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 2: versus where you started, and you take stock of the

1271
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: honor of representing yourself in the league for so many years,

1272
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 2: and then building Bible City classes in college and trying

1273
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 2: to mentor and be a leader to not only your

1274
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 2: teammates but people in and around New Orleans, and the

1275
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 2: work you're doing devote a Dreamers Foundation, and most importantly

1276
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,679
Speaker 2: your work as a father of six and the best

1277
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 2: friend of Tamla.

1278
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: And you take stock of the fact that your.

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01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 2: Mother and grandmother and Chuck, Michael Roy and Tamala and

1280
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 2: the work they did to support your foundation, and the

1281
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,440
Speaker 2: pursuit of you to help you grow in your evangelism,

1282
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: and the love and the grace and the best friend.

1283
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 2: When you take stock of all of it, you're still

1284
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 2: a young man. What's next?

1285
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 1: Man?

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01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 3: I think about that a lot, and I think, Number one,

1287
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm so far past anything that I could have asked

1288
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,600
Speaker 3: or imagine, and I'm grateful for that.

1289
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 4: And all that credit and glory goes to God. Just

1290
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 4: as man he is who he says he is and.

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01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 3: Everything that I could have imagined to accomplish when I

1292
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 3: first entered into this relationship with the Lord, not just

1293
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 3: in terms of accomplishments and achievements, but in terms of

1294
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 3: who I've become in the process, so much far past

1295
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 3: what I would have asked or imagined. And that's what

1296
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 3: the word says he's able to do. And so as

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01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 3: I look into kind of like what's next, I know

1298
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:53,839
Speaker 3: he's not finished.

1299
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 4: I know he has so much more that he wants

1300
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 4: to do.

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01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 3: And it's Lord, you didn't bring me this far to

1302
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 3: leave me, so wherever you want to go.

1303
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 2: My answer is yes, I can't wait to see it,

1304
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see it a couple of

1305
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: months and dap you up and call you double D.

1306
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 2: I can't do it here, but I can do it

1307
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 2: once we get and sit down, look at each other

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Speaker 2: face to face in the eyes. Come on, Coach and Tomorio, honestly,

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Speaker 2: thanks for the time, Thanks for covering out time to

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Speaker 2: tell your story and to share with our listeners all

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Speaker 2: the people along your path greatness, and what you're doing now,

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Speaker 2: what the future looks like, and tons of pearls of wisdom.

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Speaker 2: I just want to tell you how much I appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you, brother. It's been a blessed We'll see

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Speaker 5: you soon, all right, Take care and thank you for

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Speaker 5: joining us this week. If Tomrio Davis has inspired you

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Speaker 5: in general or matter yeat, take action by supporting someone

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Speaker 5: else in their journey as a mentor coach, friend, or

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Speaker 5: even just loving your family better, please let me know.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to hear about it.

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Speaker 2: You can write me anytime at Bill at normal folks

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Speaker 2: Any and all of these things will help us grow

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Speaker 2: an army of normal folks.

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Speaker 1: I'm Bill Courtney. Until next time, do what you can