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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, I am joined

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Speaker 1: by the crew of the Ruthless Podcast. We've got John

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Speaker 1: Ashbrook and Michael Duncan with us here. They are both

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Speaker 1: founding partners of Calvary, a consulting firm based in d C.

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Speaker 1: So even though we I'm gonna call you like recovering

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Speaker 1: consultants because I feel like you're all so fun, which

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Speaker 1: doesn't jive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, the show is therapy for us, to

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Speaker 2: be honest with you, it's so much more fun than consulting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the show. I think it works for

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Speaker 3: one reason, and that is I think we're the only

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Speaker 3: people in DC who don't take themselves too seriously.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people who try to start

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Speaker 3: a podcast in politics based out of Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: Feel like in every episode they got to prove how

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Speaker 3: smart they are, right, and it's like that's annoying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's just in the podcast

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Speaker 1: world in DC honestly. Oh yeah, as you look at

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Speaker 1: what's happening in DC with Democrats right now, I think

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Speaker 1: that's kind of their go to is who who can

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Speaker 1: appear to look like they have a message in that

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Speaker 1: they are smart and it's not working for anybody right now.

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Speaker 1: Oddly enough, AOC is like the standout in that crowd,

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Speaker 1: which seems very odd.

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Speaker 2: It's very very odd. I mean, they really don't have

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Speaker 2: a leader other than George Soros that I'm aware of.

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Speaker 2: I mean, their party is in shambles, and it's great

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Speaker 2: to see. To be honest with you, it's like it's

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Speaker 2: one of the best things of the year that I

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Speaker 2: didn't totally expect. But man, is it just the icing

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Speaker 2: on the cake for everything good that Trump is doing here.

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Speaker 1: I think for years we've said that that side of

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Speaker 1: the aisle has been really out of touch with the

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Speaker 1: average American person. And there was nothing better than Chuck

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Speaker 1: Schumer on the view talking about this because I think

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Speaker 1: that many Americans still believe that the American dream is attainable,

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Speaker 1: and because of that, many Americans are entrepreneurs and start

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Speaker 1: their own businesses or have dreams of starting their own businesses,

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Speaker 1: and we as Americans feel like, you know, hands off

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Speaker 1: my business. This is something that we suffer with every

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Speaker 1: day in Michigan. Now they've come in with this like

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Speaker 1: minimum wage that you have to have at restaurants and

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Speaker 1: the restaurant owners are going, Why isn't it okay for

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Speaker 1: me to say to my employees, you make as much

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Speaker 1: money as you want, you determine your wage. But I

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Speaker 1: thought this was beautiful what Chuck Schimer said yesterday. So

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Speaker 1: I want to play it for you because this is

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Speaker 1: exactly what people hate. This is why they voted against them.

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Speaker 1: But here's Chuck Schumer on the view.

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Speaker 5: And you know what their attitude is. I made my

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Speaker 5: money all by myself. How dare your government take my

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Speaker 5: money from me. I don't want to pay taxes, or

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Speaker 5: I've built my company with my bare hands. How dare

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Speaker 5: your government tell me how I should treat my customers,

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Speaker 5: the land and water that I own, or my employees.

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Speaker 5: They hate governments. Government's a barrier to people, a barrier

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Speaker 5: to stop them from doing things. They want to destroy it.

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Speaker 5: We are not letting them do it. And we're united.

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Speaker 6: Okay, God, I mean, he's not wrong.

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Speaker 1: People feel that way, like, don't take my stuff. He

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Speaker 1: just thinks that they're jerks for thinking that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what's really shocking about Chuck Schumer is

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Speaker 3: you know, he failed to placate his liberal base and

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Speaker 3: shut down the government. Ultimately passed that cr out of

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Speaker 3: the Senate recently, and the backlash that he got forced

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Speaker 3: him to cancel his book tour. What does it say

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Speaker 3: shape down the American taxpayer. I mean, this guy acts

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Speaker 6: Yes, no, but wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: They just watched Donald Trump win the election after getting

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Speaker 1: shot and no cancelations.

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Speaker 6: I mean, this guy gets shot and he goes to

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer is afraid of his own party because it's

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Speaker 6: Seen what people voted for. People voted for the guy

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Speaker 6: that gets shot and stands up and goes keep fighting.

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Speaker 2: Right now, that's exactly right. And Democrats, like we were

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Speaker 2: and he got so much flak from his own party,

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Speaker 2: like you're talking about, and it hasn't stopped. There are

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Speaker 2: all these questions about will they keep him as their leader,

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Speaker 2: going to primary him in New York. Schumer really doesn't

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Speaker 2: have much to push back with. I mean, what he

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Speaker 2: was doing on the view certainly didn't help his case.

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Speaker 3: Well, he doesn't know how to talk to the American taxpayer,

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Speaker 3: the American voter. It's like this Democrat obsession with criticizing dough,

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Speaker 3: you know, They're like, we must protect these opaque NGOs

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Speaker 3: the American people are perfectly fine with slashing budgets for

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Speaker 3: unaccountable bureaucrats in Washington, DC, you know. And so they

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Speaker 3: if they want to know why their message is landing

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Speaker 3: somehow made Elon Musk, this guy who rescues astronauts from

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Speaker 3: the bad guy, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, But I watched this and I think it's funny.

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Speaker 1: Because even if you look at polling, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: is that the most important issue to people is finances

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Speaker 1: and making sure government's not corrupt and spending wastefully. That is,

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Speaker 1: that's what people are concerned about. They like what they see.

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Speaker 1: But see to me, the Democrats, what's happened to them

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Speaker 1: is the mainstream media has always been their communications arm.

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Speaker 1: They actually never had to have a message.

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Speaker 6: They just let.

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Speaker 1: Those people test for them. They were like, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is going well. It's good to attack the other side.

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Speaker 1: It's good to have government weaponization. That's going well for us.

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Speaker 1: Their ratings are still good. They figured out that the

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Speaker 1: mainstream media has failed and now they're flailing. They have

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Speaker 1: no idea what to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're exactly right, tutor, And we talk about this

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Speaker 2: on our show all the time, and that in our

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Speaker 2: previous careers as consultants, we would always just be so

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Speaker 2: frustrated by media bias. And everybody writes the stories for Democrats,

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Speaker 2: the lead, the headline, everything is framed up to make

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Speaker 2: time was a soft political party who did was completely

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Speaker 2: they don't know how to act because, like you said,

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Speaker 2: the media has done their work for them and they

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Speaker 2: they're going to be in the wilderness for a while here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. But you know who does have a genuine message.

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Speaker 6: It is AOC. I mean, that's that is what her

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Speaker 1: She has that factor where she goes out and she

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Speaker 1: tells people exactly how she feels and she believes it.

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Speaker 1: It's like her policies may be radical, they may be progressive,

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Speaker 1: but she is all in. It comes from the heart.

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Speaker 1: She's not practiced it. She didn't have somebody tell her

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Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer puts out a video of herself as a

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Speaker 1: potato and talks about giving money to schools. AOC sits

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Speaker 1: crock putt and she's like, so, anyway, you guys, we've

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Speaker 6: It doesn't matter if they've murdered someone. Their people too

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Speaker 6: and people buy it. You know, they're like, she believes it.

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Speaker 6: I love her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean people put a premium on authenticity. You know,

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Speaker 3: people are saying that the twenty twenty four election was

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Speaker 3: the podcast election, and I think that's the reason why.

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Speaker 3: It's like people would rather their politicians talk like real people,

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Speaker 3: be authentic, I don't know, speak from the heart, then

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Speaker 1: Right exactly, But that's what you have. I think that's

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Speaker 1: what you saw. Obviously, Kamala Harris was like a gift

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Speaker 1: from God. I mean, how could anybody be as bad

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Speaker 6: They have to.

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Speaker 1: Put a Josh Shapiro out there, someone to kind of

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Speaker 6: But they didn't.

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Speaker 1: They picked Tim Walls and then Tim and then I

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Speaker 1: think this is funny because I see Gavin Newsom launches

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Speaker 1: this podcast, so to your point of trying to be normal,

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Speaker 1: he launches a podcast and every day he comes in,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's just like he's always dressed like that

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Speaker 1: you know, and he comes in with his hair slicked back,

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Speaker 6: Then he has Tim Walls on it.

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Speaker 1: This is what Tim Wall says, which I love because

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Speaker 4: And well, most of their ass I do I know

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Speaker 4: if I run them, But I don't know if we're

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Speaker 4: going to fall into that place where we want to Okay,

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Speaker 4: we challenge you to a do you know, a wwe

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: You can totally see him in the playhouse in third

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Speaker 1: grade saying that to his buddies. But he still looks

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Speaker 3: Well, Tim Walls, I mean, I don't think he could

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Speaker 3: this guy's not kicking anyone's ass. And to your point

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Speaker 3: on Gavin Newsom, the guy does look like a comic

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Speaker 3: Goblin and Spider Man with that slip back hair. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the guy is just too slick. And that's the other

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Speaker 3: thing about this. They have an authenticity gap, right, Nobody

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Speaker 3: So stop talking that way like you're some sort of

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Speaker 3: tough guy, you know, like Gavin Newsom, you are slimy,

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Speaker 3: you know, like this idea that you had all these

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Speaker 3: conservatives on your podcast because you're actually secretly immoderate. It's

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Speaker 3: like no one's going to buy that, you know, and

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Speaker 3: so like that's ultimately their biggest problems, that authenticity, get right.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I do say that I think that he

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Speaker 1: When I look at all of these people, I think

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Speaker 1: there are two people that are dangerous in the Democrat Party,

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Speaker 1: and that's because they have this weird charm that people

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Speaker 1: Interesting part to me is to watch them go after

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Speaker 6: Oh no, you don't, don't lie. And it's like, wait,

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Speaker 2: It's exactly right. And then they were trying to say

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Speaker 3: I hope they keep doing it. They're flailing right now.

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Speaker 6: But Gretchen Whitmer, the state is in shambles.

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Speaker 1: We're the forty first state in almost every category. Education

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: mayor p who like vacations in Traverse City once and

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Speaker 3: decides he wants to be a Michigander. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: I get it. I've played It's beautiful. I've played Putt

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Speaker 3: putt up there at Pirates Cove. I've gone to Macanon.

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Speaker 3: I've got the fudge there and been on the bicycles.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful, absolutely beautiful. And you know, Michigan is beautiful.

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Speaker 6: Michigan is beautiful.

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Speaker 1: And I think that we've kind of been a driver

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Speaker 1: for small business and farming for many, many years, and

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Speaker 1: people really believed that Debbie Stabinow was that champion for

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Speaker 1: the farm bill, and the farm Bill didn't get passed.

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Speaker 1: As you've heard from Brook Rollins, the Secretary of Bag

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Speaker 1: she's come out and said the fact that it didn't

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Speaker 1: get past our farmers are in grave danger right now.

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Speaker 1: We have a problem in government where we are not

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Speaker 1: taking care of our most critical industries.

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Speaker 6: And if you cannot, I mean you look at this,

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Speaker 6: there are really there's.

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Speaker 1: Nothing more critical than food, right We've got to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we have food security, food scurity as national security,

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Speaker 1: but also factories. You know, manufacturing is critical, and I

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Speaker 1: think too many people take that for granted. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I got this product. I don't care if

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Speaker 1: it came from China. And I was in that boat

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Speaker 1: of knowing what it was like to have China take

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Speaker 1: away your business. And we had companies that came to

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Speaker 1: us and They were like, we need you to start doubled.

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Speaker 1: You bring you have part of the order, you bring

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Speaker 1: part of the order in from China. Working with China

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Speaker 1: is such a disaster for the Americans. And no one

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Speaker 1: knows that better than me, because here we are as

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Speaker 1: Americans making a phenomenal product, making sure everything is to spec,

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Speaker 1: making sure everything is exactly what we need. And these

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Speaker 1: parts come in from China and we're supposed to inspect

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Speaker 1: them in our plant and they were crap. They were

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Speaker 1: total They weren't They lie, They tell you they meet

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Speaker 1: the spec and then ultimately what happened is they pirated

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Speaker 1: the parts and the company went, oh wow, now we

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Speaker 1: don't even have our part. And this is like these

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Speaker 1: are experiences that I don't think that many people have,

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Speaker 1: but when you really know what it is to do

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Speaker 1: international business like this and how these countries that are

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Speaker 1: our adversaries are destroying American businesses for a reason because

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Speaker 1: they believe that they can take over.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they don't believe in globalization.

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Speaker 1: China wants to take over, right, so it's like globalization, we.

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Speaker 6: Will all be called China. Well that's not what we want.

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Speaker 3: I hope that COVID opened a lot of people's eyes

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Speaker 3: to this, the issues with supply chains that are overly

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Speaker 3: reliant on China, because you're right, not everybody has the

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Speaker 3: experience of like, oh, well, China actually dumps its steel

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Speaker 3: into Vietnam and uses this workaround to get into the

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Speaker 3: United States to undermine American manufacturing. Like most people don't

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Speaker 3: know that, but they know when you know, the grocery

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Speaker 3: store shelves are empty because of COVID, and so I

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Speaker 3: just hope people start to think about, you know, how

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Speaker 3: the global economy is overly relying on China and if

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Speaker 3: we could just build some more capacity here in the

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Speaker 3: United States so we control our own destiny, so we

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Speaker 3: protect our national security.

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Speaker 6: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 6: the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 1: So what is your take on this attack on President

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Speaker 1: Trump over these tariffs, because I think that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you talked about the pandemic, it was beyond just people

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Speaker 1: not getting their pelotons, which I remember that was a

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Speaker 1: big deal, but you also aren't getting a moxicillan, you know,

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Speaker 1: your prescriptions. We were shocked, I think, to find out

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Speaker 1: how many prescriptions were made in China.

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Speaker 6: But it wasn't. It's not just China.

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Speaker 1: You know, we talk about China a lot, but we

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Speaker 1: had the experience of both struggles with Canada and Mexico.

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Speaker 1: And I know Donald Trump did a lot to change

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Speaker 1: that with the USMCA, but it doesn't necessarily motivate always

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Speaker 1: these large OEMs to make sure they keep their product

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Speaker 1: in the United States. And I remember we had a

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Speaker 1: product that we made in Michigan. We made it, it

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Speaker 1: was for John Deere. We had another product that was

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Speaker 1: made for Peterbelt Kenworth, these you know, mammoth companies in

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Speaker 1: the United States. But as soon as the economic downturn came,

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Speaker 1: they moved their massive products for Peterborough, Peter Built, and

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Speaker 1: Kenworth to China, and then John Deere moved their product

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Speaker 1: line to Mexico. And Mexico was I mean, it just

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Speaker 1: destroyed us, you know, having one of our biggest products

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Speaker 1: go to Mexico and there was no deterrent. It was

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Speaker 1: such a benefit to them to go to Mexico, and

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Speaker 1: it destroyed us here in Michigan.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think on the tariff issue, I think the way

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Speaker 2: the media frames it is a little bit misleading because

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Speaker 2: they don't educate people on the fact that a lot

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Speaker 2: of other countries have existing tariffs already against the United States. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and what President Trump is doing is proposing reciprocal tariffs

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Speaker 2: on these countries on other products like that basically have

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Speaker 2: been harmed over the past several years. The media never

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Speaker 2: wrote about that. They never talked about that. The other

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Speaker 2: thing that I think about the President Trump's tariff policy

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Speaker 2: that does not get enough play is the reactions from

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Speaker 2: these countries when he does threaten the tariff. People jump

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Speaker 2: he like what happened in Mexico, for example, very early

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Speaker 2: on he threatened a tariff. They said, okay, well we're

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Speaker 2: going to stop these caravans from coming in and there

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Speaker 2: you go. I mean, he's using them as a tool

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Speaker 2: for American power, which is something that we've always had

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Speaker 2: available to us, but never had a leader with the

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Speaker 2: backbone to actually execute on it. And what President Trump

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Speaker 2: is doing might seem uncomfortable to the people in the media,

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Speaker 2: it is very very important for our country.

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Speaker 3: I think the hardest thing with these tariffs, if Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump is successful is, you know, companies need long runway

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Speaker 3: to plan. You know, if you're talking about moving a

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Speaker 3: factory back in the United States or something like that,

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Speaker 3: we're not really going to see the benefits, I think

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Speaker 3: from a capacity standpoint, and you know industry like manufacturing

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Speaker 3: for a couple of years and so like that is

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Speaker 3: the hardest component to trying to actually change something when

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Speaker 3: it comes to you know, trade deficits, is like businesses

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Speaker 3: need to know what the rules of the road are

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Speaker 3: going to be in order to plan for that sort

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Speaker 3: of thing. And I think that's going to be the

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Speaker 3: toughest hurdle to climb, right, And I.

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Speaker 1: Think that's why he's going to have to have people

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Speaker 1: on the ground explaining this because you say that, and

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Speaker 1: I see some of these big organizations, big companies saying, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll wait it out. He's there for four years, we'll

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Speaker 1: wait it out. We'll just charge the customers more. And

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Speaker 1: I think that is a fear that people have. But

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Speaker 1: I also think that a lot of these companies realize

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Speaker 1: that their security is not there as much as it

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Speaker 1: used to be, because I think they saw that through

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Speaker 1: COVID too. I mean, we used to make parts for

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Speaker 1: military vehicles. The military vehicle couldn't be fully assembled until

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Speaker 1: some of those parts came in from China. But I

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Speaker 1: mean many of them came in from France or other

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Speaker 1: countries as well, and there's just a national security implication

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Speaker 1: of not having the ability to manufacture all of this

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Speaker 1: at home. You know, it used to be that we

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Speaker 1: at least had just a second source soberseas there was

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Speaker 1: still a source here, or you had at least a

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Speaker 1: second source in the United States, and that's gone by

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Speaker 1: the waysides. I think that people are afraid that these

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Speaker 1: prices will go up, but these companies will start to say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, this is the political climate. People like this,

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Speaker 1: we have to start a second source here, and that's

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Speaker 1: when you start to see manufacturing flourish again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to flourish. I mean the data point

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Speaker 2: that you read off, I actually wasn't aware that there

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Speaker 2: were so few colleges with metallurgical science degrees. Think about

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Speaker 2: every single college in this country has an English degree

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Speaker 2: in gender studies, a degree in political science. Like, all

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Speaker 2: of these things do nothing for building up the American

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Speaker 2: industrial base. It might help, like to advance the amount

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Speaker 2: of bullshit in the air, but it actually doesn't produce things.

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Speaker 2: You know, in this country, we used to make things

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Speaker 2: and we can do it again, and people, people, regular

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Speaker 2: Americans where I'm from the Midwest. I'm from Ohio. Michael's

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Speaker 2: from Indiana, also from Michigan. People like to make things,

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Speaker 2: they like to start their own companies. They like to have,

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Speaker 2: you know, the feeling of accomplishment that comes with building something.

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Speaker 2: And you just can't do that with an English degree

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Speaker 2: the way you can with an engineering degree or something

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Speaker 2: in metallurgical studies. And so and so. Many of these

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Speaker 2: left wingers look who go to these Ivy League schools,

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Speaker 2: They look down on people who go to trade schools.

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Speaker 2: But I like, more and more and more, I'm of

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Speaker 2: the mind the trade school degree is more valuable than

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Speaker 2: an Ivy League diploma. It just is. And and if

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Speaker 2: we build this rebuild this country in the way that

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Speaker 2: it used to be, those people, those people are going

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Speaker 2: to thrive. I mean, I think I think about the

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Speaker 2: guys I know who who are electricians, right, if you

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Speaker 2: know an electrical contractor, they are flourishing. And and maybe

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Speaker 2: they went to a trade school. When I like, I

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Speaker 2: have one body went to a trade school and now

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Speaker 2: he's an electrical contractor. And I went to a four

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Speaker 2: year school and got a four year degree. He is

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Speaker 2: killing it because there's so much demand for people who

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Speaker 2: can actually produce something. And here I'm just like a

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Speaker 2: podcaster talking into a microphone. I'm not building something. This

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Speaker 2: guy is actually building something of value. And I just

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Speaker 2: think that we need to retrain our minds and our

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Speaker 2: society to go back to making things as of great.

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Speaker 6: Value, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think even making things is a great

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Speaker 1: value for your emotional state. You know, everybody talks about

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Speaker 1: this mental health crisis we're having. When I came out

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Speaker 1: of college, I came out and my dad's friend, his son,

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Speaker 1: came out with a financial degree. I came out with

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Speaker 1: a psych degree, and they were like, what are you

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Speaker 1: going to do? You're not making anything. And then when

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Speaker 1: I went to work at the foundry and I really

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Speaker 1: got to spend time in the shop and learn how

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Speaker 1: we were making everything and talk to the customers every

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Speaker 1: single it's like there is a massive amount of pride

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Speaker 1: in that. And John, you I'll just end it on this.

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Speaker 1: You said something earlier. You said it's American power, and

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Speaker 1: you love that, and I love that, and that that

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Speaker 1: thought is like, Okay, that's where we need to be,

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Speaker 1: because we need to be the strongest country in the world.

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Speaker 1: The leftist that's like, gosh, you just shot their puppy

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Speaker 1: in front of them, the thought of American power.

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Speaker 6: How could you say those words?

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Speaker 2: We're not allowed?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, America is not allowed to be good?

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Speaker 6: Yes, how dare you? How dare you? But I do?

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Speaker 1: I so appreciate having you on today. We could probably

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Speaker 1: talk for another hour. John Ashbrook, Michael Duncan from the

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Speaker 1: Ruthless Podcast.

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Speaker 6: I so appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, Thank you, thanks for having

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Speaker 1: us absolutely, and thank you all for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go

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Speaker 6: Have a blessing,