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Speaker 1: Charismatic Mickey Spagnola and Everson Walls. I am Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: bb D. Did you not listen to Mike McCarthy's press
Speaker 1: conference today? I did? What is BBD stand for? I
Speaker 1: didn't know if you You hadn't picked up on that? Uh?
Speaker 1: I forgot? Yeah, obviously it was not that impressive. It
Speaker 1: didn't land well with you, did it BBD? I think
Speaker 1: he said, is be boring daily or something like that. Okay,
Speaker 1: that that has been. That was his Mike McCarthy's philosophy
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, and he said, basically, it didn't work there,
Speaker 1: and so now he's giving us his charismatic. The charisma
Speaker 1: is just flowing out of his ears, and that's the
Speaker 1: way it has been throughout this time here on mix Shots,
Speaker 1: the ever Charismatic Mickey Spagnola and Everson Walls right, there's
Speaker 1: no BBD be Boring Daily around here, right, And I
Speaker 1: think Mike said it took him a little while to
Speaker 1: learn that, as most coaches do, and then most quarterbacks
Speaker 1: also do, because they realize that if they have an
Speaker 1: opinion one way or another, someone's going to challenge it
Speaker 1: and they can disagree with them or challenge them and
Speaker 1: and and twist what they have to say. So now
Speaker 1: you say, now they have that. I can't remember exactly
Speaker 1: it was. It was bb D. I think it was daily,
Speaker 1: and I didn't hurt and I didn't hear to that
Speaker 1: effect anyway, tire any and Everson Walls never subscribed to
Speaker 1: that when he played for the Cowboys or since he
Speaker 1: has never been BBD. Right, Everson, we want to be
Speaker 1: exciting daily. So that's a b e ED and that's
Speaker 1: also the that should be the monica for this show.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be boring daily, you know, and
Speaker 1: we're not that, especially when Mick takes mix shots. It's
Speaker 1: at people, depending on who it is, and then you've
Speaker 1: got the Twitter going crazy on him and they're going
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Speaker 1: ED that's what we're going to And that's why head
Speaker 1: coaches typically are b B D because they don't want
Speaker 1: the Twitter world to go crazy. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, all
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it anyway, that gonna do it anyway,
Speaker 1: right way that it's gonna Twitter is not made for
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Speaker 1: And Mickey has been out on the practice field. The
Speaker 1: players still out there as of ten minutes, fifteen minutes ago,
Speaker 1: and I walked by out on the practice field and
Speaker 1: there was a new player out on the practice field today.
Speaker 1: He's actually an old familiar phase, but he is back
Speaker 1: cleared to at least do something now. Number ninety four
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory is now eligible to practice with the team.
Speaker 1: He's still conditionally reinstated. He's got two more games that
Speaker 1: he has to miss, but part of his condition was
Speaker 1: after four weeks he can start working with the team.
Speaker 1: So he was in helmet and whatever pads they had shells,
Speaker 1: and it really was the first time. So he got
Speaker 1: suspended February twenty six, twenty nineteen, indefinitely. So the last
Speaker 1: time he would have had a helmet on whould have
Speaker 1: been the Cowboys playoff game in LA January twelve, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: versus the Rams, and the last regular season game he
Speaker 1: played was December thirtieth against the Giants. He had five tackles,
Speaker 1: a tackle for a loss, and one quarterback hit. So
Speaker 1: I think this will be a very good addition to
Speaker 1: a team that lacks a pass rush. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how much he'll be able to do right off the start,
Speaker 1: but he and he can't do anything in four a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. For another two weeks he can practice,
Speaker 1: but he can't play until after the sixth game. So
Speaker 1: maybe he should be after the bye. The bye. So
Speaker 1: you got the Giants and you got Arizona in the byeway.
Speaker 1: Now I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Washington weeks down. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: And so maybe he's a dp R designated pass rusher.
Speaker 1: So where into acronyms here, that's right? And he has
Speaker 1: never been BBD. What about a designated edge center? Well,
Speaker 1: that that would help. Also, by the way, um and
Speaker 1: also back in practice, Anthony Brown, Um, he's eligible to
Speaker 1: come off injured reserve. He served his three games, which
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons. And good question by Everson
Speaker 1: Walls last night to me what what it was Brandon
Speaker 1: Carr question mark and Mike answered it today said, we've
Speaker 1: got ab coming back. Uh so I guess they felt
Speaker 1: like to make room. Uh, they didn't need another corner.
Speaker 1: And he wasn't really playing much, and I think the
Speaker 1: experiment at safety really wasn't working. At least that may
Speaker 1: have been his Bbdon didn't. Yeah, I think he had
Speaker 1: one snap in in in the last game. Uh, so
Speaker 1: we'll see where that one goes. Uh. He lives here,
Speaker 1: so he can always be an emergency replacement. But at
Speaker 1: least Anthony Brown was back out there working. That was encouraging.
Speaker 1: Also encouraging Layton vandersh was ramping up his rehab. He
Speaker 1: was actually doing some running. Uh they were also he
Speaker 1: was doing those step drags. After these last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: I bet he is ramping up his You got a
Speaker 1: week going here, you gotta get going. He was doing
Speaker 1: those side steps through the through the blocking bags on
Speaker 1: the ground. Actually saw him catch the balls at one handed,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it was the good collar
Speaker 1: bone or the bad one, but uh, he was moving
Speaker 1: more than his previous rehab had been taken place. So
Speaker 1: he was rehabbing chitube Owoozier looked like he ramped up
Speaker 1: his rehab and he would be eligibly come off ire
Speaker 1: next week, so that was encouraging. Uh. And after that,
Speaker 1: I think that about Covers. The guys, they they're new
Speaker 1: guys on the roster, were here and practicing. The offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: Greg senat Uh claimed off the or signed off the
Speaker 1: Cleveland's practice squad, and then Williams Sweet was added to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys practice squad and I saw both of them
Speaker 1: work out. So these two guys, you guys, they probably
Speaker 1: have a pretty good head on their shoulders because they
Speaker 1: were the second and third people out on the practice
Speaker 1: field before everybody else started coming out, so they had
Speaker 1: the sense to get out there early and start working.
Speaker 1: And they were good size guys too. They were six
Speaker 1: four six five and their tackles, yeah, and good size guys,
Speaker 1: and they looked like they were in shape if you
Speaker 1: can tell with a jersey. There's the scouting report on
Speaker 1: the new Covers, right Mickey, and and all tackles are
Speaker 1: welcome on this team, by the way, because the reports
Speaker 1: where Lale Collins should be going under surgery today, so
Speaker 1: that that ship is sailed and they've got to make
Speaker 1: do and by and by the way, just second, Everson,
Speaker 1: I just want to clarify on Randy Gregory. He would
Speaker 1: be eligible to play in a game at Washington on
Speaker 1: October twenty fifth. Cowboys have the Giants this Sunday, then
Speaker 1: a Monday night game against Kyler Murray and the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: and then at Washington at Philadelphia. The bye week isn't
Speaker 1: until November fifteenth, and so his first chance to sack
Speaker 1: a quarterback would be Washington's Kyle Allen as it stands
Speaker 1: right now, because Washington just made a change at quarterback today.
Speaker 1: Dwayne Askins, Kyle Allen is and Alex Smith is a
Speaker 1: number two quarterback there at Washington. He's moving up the
Speaker 1: depth chart. I would think if they if they are
Speaker 1: and we'll get back to the Cowboys here, but I
Speaker 1: would think if they are going, if Alex Smith is
Speaker 1: and come along far enough to where he can be
Speaker 1: the number two quarterback, then why you needed the number
Speaker 1: one quarterback? Because I mean, what if Kyle Allen gets
Speaker 1: hurt the first play of the game. Man, if he's
Speaker 1: your number two guys are doing so what a remarkable
Speaker 1: story him even getting back to this level. All Right, Everson,
Speaker 1: you wanted to say something. Oh, I was just gonna
Speaker 1: mention how important it was that Randy Gregory and of
Speaker 1: course Vandersch kind of starts stepping up in regards to
Speaker 1: rehab and really getting ready for the game. What's just
Speaker 1: as important is what you talked about Spags, the big
Speaker 1: guys that they brought in, Because we talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 1: I know I did at length about, Yes, our linebackers
Speaker 1: need to be better. Their recognition does need to be quicker.
Speaker 1: We talked about how Sean Lee, if he was out there,
Speaker 1: his recognition would be quicker and he would be doing
Speaker 1: all he could to blow up the blocking scheme for
Speaker 1: the opposing offense. But when it comes down to it,
Speaker 1: we need these D linemen, and we need these D
Speaker 1: linemen to be able to keep the offensive linemen off
Speaker 1: of our linebackers. They have to be given room to
Speaker 1: roam from sideline to sideline at least not to be
Speaker 1: cut off from shooting their gaps when they do recognize run.
Speaker 1: So Sean Lee could be out there as well, trying
Speaker 1: to do all they can if we can't keep those
Speaker 1: big linemen off of him, If we can't keep those
Speaker 1: big offensive linemen from cutting off our linebackers. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be just like it was last year towards the end
Speaker 1: of the season. We were horrible against the run all
Speaker 1: last year, especially last eight games. We're continuing that this year.
Speaker 1: The big d lineman or extremely important, not just that
Speaker 1: they need to be schemed properly to help the linebackers
Speaker 1: as much as possible. Micky, when you look at the
Speaker 1: run defense, what struck you out side of the fact
Speaker 1: there were some gaping holes, But there were some plays
Speaker 1: In fact, one play in particular, the Kareem Hunt fourteen
Speaker 1: or thirteen yard touchdown right and Everson Griffin took himself
Speaker 1: out of the play with a hard charge up field,
Speaker 1: and there was just a huge hole there. There were
Speaker 1: some other instances where whether it was stunts on the
Speaker 1: defensive line or whatever, where they there were just some
Speaker 1: gaping holes there too. Yeah, and there there was a
Speaker 1: couple of miss tackles. Um I can't remember which, if
Speaker 1: it was that touchdown or another one going the other way.
Speaker 1: Xavier Wood stepped into the hole and he whiffed. He
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't make the tackle. Uh and and me
Speaker 1: made the tackle. He they would have stopped him about
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage, or that might have been
Speaker 1: where went to the goal line. He went to the
Speaker 1: goal line and they ruled him down at the yard
Speaker 1: line that one, and so uh yeah, there were some mistackles,
Speaker 1: but they were just getting pushed out of position. They
Speaker 1: weren't holding their gaps very well. And you know, and
Speaker 1: Everson knows this as well as anything. You know, they
Speaker 1: teach the offensive lineman, you know, if the defensive lineman
Speaker 1: wants to go that way, just ghost push them that
Speaker 1: way and when you know, the running back will find
Speaker 1: the hole. And they seem to be going and they
Speaker 1: were going, okay, well I'll just push you to the left,
Speaker 1: get you out of the way. And there was the
Speaker 1: cutback lanes and guys weren't maintaining their gaps and they
Speaker 1: got to do a better job of that. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if that was scheme. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they weren't using the right technique. I do know that's
Speaker 1: typically called zone blocking. Spags. That's all that is called.
Speaker 1: It's called zone blocking. It's the same thing that was
Speaker 1: the death of the flex defense in trying to give
Speaker 1: the linebacker's room to roam. We can't our defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: They would lay on the offensive lineman as opposed to
Speaker 1: keeping them at arm's length so that they can control them.
Speaker 1: Once that lineman gets up into that chest, they have
Speaker 1: no records unless you're an exceptionally good defensive lineman like
Speaker 1: an Aaron Donald or someone like that. But otherwise you're
Speaker 1: at their mercy, and like you said, just pushing them
Speaker 1: on by. They cannot react to go back inside because
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman has control of them. It happened with
Speaker 1: the flex and that's why you get these big offensive linemen. Now,
Speaker 1: remember the Cowboys had the small guys, the Raffertees, you know,
Speaker 1: the Fitzgerald great players. Alata did well for Tony Darsett.
Speaker 1: At one point he was had more yards than anyone
Speaker 1: else in NFL history, so they were doing well for him.
Speaker 1: But as things went on, the red Skins, the Hogs,
Speaker 1: those guys came in with Riggins, and they had the
Speaker 1: big offensive lineman that would just shield the d lineman
Speaker 1: Randy White, John Duddon Harvey two tall, shield them from
Speaker 1: able to get him back inside into the gap. Next
Speaker 1: thing you know, Riggins has gone right by you, and
Speaker 1: now we have to deal with him in the secondary.
Speaker 1: So that that boats the same to this day. And
Speaker 1: so your defensive lineman the best ones, you see it,
Speaker 1: The best ones are the ones that take control of
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman, not the ones that let the offensive
Speaker 1: lineman take control of them. Yeah, Tom didn't want anybody
Speaker 1: more than two hundred and sixty pounds. And then Nate
Speaker 1: Newton showed up, messed up everything, just messed up everything.
Speaker 1: See the look on top space, like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: This guy's like three hundred and thirty pounds. But it
Speaker 1: changed and it ended up being a great cobo and
Speaker 1: one of the right And Danyell tell you this. One
Speaker 1: of the reasons why it changed is the NFL finally
Speaker 1: cracked down on steroids. So you had to have naturally
Speaker 1: big guys like Nate because they ate a lot, not
Speaker 1: because they were taking artificials stimulants, you know. And basically
Speaker 1: up until nineteen eighty nine, which Landry was out of
Speaker 1: the league. In nineteen eighty nine. I remember Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: and he still tells of stories how many three hundred
Speaker 1: pounders there were in the league when he came into
Speaker 1: the league, and it was like in the single digits
Speaker 1: in the entire league. Yeah, and you can't find. As
Speaker 1: far as offensive linemen are concerned you, there aren't exist.
Speaker 1: There aren't a I bet you there is less. There
Speaker 1: are less than five offensive linemen that are under three
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, and that would be maybe you'd find a center.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if they exist there. There have
Speaker 1: been some that have come out of the draft that
Speaker 1: are have been two hundred and ninety five pounds, and
Speaker 1: I immediately checked them. I don't even don't even write
Speaker 1: them my big green notebook if they're less than three
Speaker 1: hundred pounds anymore. All Right, we're just getting started here
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Speaker 1: on mix Shots. Very nicely done there, Mickey Spagnola. We
Speaker 1: get we get new live reads every day. These seems
Speaker 1: that way. Yes, Wow, that means they've got a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff for us to read. That's exactly right. All right, Mickey,
Speaker 1: you do have a big time mix shot, don't you do?
Speaker 1: You do? Real? Absolutely? Wow, I just made that up. Well,
Speaker 1: there's one one thing I should point out before I
Speaker 1: give you my mix shot is the Dalton Schultz was
Speaker 1: probably going to be limited. I think we saw him
Speaker 1: speaking of big shots. Yeah, he got his own mix
Speaker 1: shot at the end of the day, sure did. And
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess that was a legal hit too, right,
Speaker 1: unlike the one Joe Thomas hit on their guy. But anyway,
Speaker 1: he was going to be limited, so he was out there.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much he was actually gonna do. Uh,
Speaker 1: same thing I think with uh Tyrone Crawford too. So
Speaker 1: we'll see what the injury port has to say on
Speaker 1: those guys. So my mix shot is all right. So
Speaker 1: they they got through the game at right tackle. Now,
Speaker 1: is that the way they're gonna go in this game?
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it Brandon Knight out there just that simple? Uh?
Speaker 1: With Tyler Biadash at center, I'm pretty sure about that
Speaker 1: at center. But I think it's going to be interesting
Speaker 1: to see what they do out there at the at
Speaker 1: that tackle position because again, if Brandon Knight's starting, then
Speaker 1: you know who's the backup. And I think in their minds,
Speaker 1: I don't know that they can go back to Terrence Steele.
Speaker 1: So this is going to be an interesting one to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on, I think for the rest of
Speaker 1: the week. I wonder how they feel about Greg Sinnett. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the new guy a lot of experience, right he
Speaker 1: was he was on I think I R with Kansas City,
Speaker 1: got himself a Super Bowl ring, but I think he
Speaker 1: spent most of the season on I R. And then
Speaker 1: he had been on the practice squad for Cleveland so
Speaker 1: far this year. So yeah, that'll be an interesting see
Speaker 1: how quickly they think he could help out. And I thought,
Speaker 1: there's little If you're on IR and you get a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl ring, is it like a discounted version? How
Speaker 1: does that work? I mean you don't even play, you know,
Speaker 1: in practice you're on IR, you get all the diamonds?
Speaker 1: Did you get all the diamond you get? You get
Speaker 1: the what do they call him? The Zirkconium ones? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: quis I remember what the first is? Yeah, got the czs.
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll keep an eye on that one this
Speaker 1: week too, see how how that one goes. H. I'm
Speaker 1: going to assume since Tyrn Smith finished the game and
Speaker 1: played so well, he's ready to go. Uh, and then
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens at right tackle. And it was
Speaker 1: nice having number seventy seven out there at left tackle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: from Dak it probably felt like a supreme luxury. That's right,
Speaker 1: by the way. Greg Sennett from Wagner College. He was
Speaker 1: a sixth round draft pick of the Ravens in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: two years ago. Okay, so where is Wagner College. Well,
Speaker 1: that's easy for me to tell you. They are the
Speaker 1: Wagner Seahawks and they are located in what Staten Island, Oh,
Speaker 1: Staten Island, Wagner College. Division two three inn AIA. Let's
Speaker 1: see Northeast Northeast Conference. That's a Division one FCS, is
Speaker 1: what it says on Wikipedia. Division D one f FCS.
Speaker 1: Let's see, well that's football f CS. That would be yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize they were that big. So that's old
Speaker 1: school one double A, old school one double A. That
Speaker 1: was your division, right, That was my guys. Baby, that's
Speaker 1: where the heart comes by the heart lives in one
Speaker 1: double A. Baby, there you go. All right, hey, I
Speaker 1: have to tell you guys before we go on. I
Speaker 1: read an article. Uh. I did an interview with Goose
Speaker 1: this morning, Goose and Charlene, the two Hall of Fame voters,
Speaker 1: and I was taught we were talking about the lack
Speaker 1: of defense and that the Cowboys have right now. And
Speaker 1: his article maybe you read it already his spags, but
Speaker 1: his article talked about the lack of defensive structure for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, just as a culture came from Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 1: and has continued ever since. Of course, we realized how
Speaker 1: many defensive players that were up for contracts after they
Speaker 1: did well, had their Super Bowl wins with Jimmy and Jerry,
Speaker 1: and how they never tried to hold on to a
Speaker 1: good defensive player because as long as they had the
Speaker 1: triplets and the offensive scheme working with North Turner so well,
Speaker 1: they figured they didn't have to invest much into defense.
Speaker 1: And so it seems like, according to this article that
Speaker 1: that thought process has continued to this day. Now that
Speaker 1: that was twenty years ago, I was almost twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: and I kind of disagree with the article in that
Speaker 1: regard because since Jimmy left, I mean, we had Bill parstsells.
Speaker 1: You know, Bill Parcells is all about defense, and he
Speaker 1: did well defensively with a team that was extremely undermanned,
Speaker 1: and he did that because of a sound structure offensively
Speaker 1: and a strong defense that wasn't very talented, but they
Speaker 1: had a lot of heart, and they had a great scheme.
Speaker 1: They had a great game plan from week to week.
Speaker 1: So I kind of disagree with it to put that
Speaker 1: on Jimmy going way back to nineteen ninety. I just
Speaker 1: don't think that that kind of culture lasts that long,
Speaker 1: especially when you've been through the ups and downs since
Speaker 1: Jimmy left. So we're talking about we're talking about signing
Speaker 1: defensive players to second contracts. Is that what we're talking about, Well,
Speaker 1: we're talking about compared to offensive players that have stuck
Speaker 1: around for more than one contract. That the defensive players,
Speaker 1: even though they may be prominent in our scheme, in
Speaker 1: our scheme and prominent in the Super Bowl wins, they
Speaker 1: don't get that second contract. They tend to move on.
Speaker 1: You talk about the James Washington's, the Larry Brown's, taking
Speaker 1: a few others, the Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy Jones. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: in this team, DeMarcus Lawrence, DeMarcus Lawrence got his, Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith's got his, Sean Lee yep um uh. And that's
Speaker 1: why that's why I disagreed. That's why I disagreed with
Speaker 1: the article itself. But you know, you've had plenty of
Speaker 1: coaches that come through and they believe offense sales tickets,
Speaker 1: but they don't believe in defense winning games. Like where
Speaker 1: we are right now. We know offense sales tickets, but
Speaker 1: the defense are really the ones that win the games.
Speaker 1: And of course Jimmy he didn't. He didn't necessarily think
Speaker 1: that way because when they got well, I guess Jimmy
Speaker 1: was gone. But when Switcher was able to get his
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, they brought in two guys that made a
Speaker 1: huge difference in that team and in them winning another
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And spagg You can talk about this, of
Speaker 1: course it's your show, but it would be uh, Charles
Speaker 1: hey Link coming in and Dion Sanders being signed. Those
Speaker 1: two defensive signings really led to that. I think that
Speaker 1: third Super Bowl win. And I understand the thing about
Speaker 1: the second contract, but I think what they need to
Speaker 1: point out is when they're good defensive players in the nineties,
Speaker 1: second contract came up the salary cap just hit, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had already used that money on guys like
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman Emmett Smith keeping their offensive line together. Uh.
Speaker 1: They yeah, they didn't ignore defense. Think about it. Darren
Speaker 1: Woodson had multiple contracts with the Cowboys that used up.
Speaker 1: They used the first round pick on Kevin Smith, they
Speaker 1: signed him to a second contract, and then he blew
Speaker 1: out as Achilles the season opener in the ninety five season,
Speaker 1: which led them to give them like, okay, we better
Speaker 1: bring in we better bring in Dion Sanders. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at his story here and he's okay.
Speaker 1: So the decisions that the Cowboys made this offseason, obviously
Speaker 1: it was Byron Jones, right. It got the most lucrative
Speaker 1: contract at cornerback has gotten in the league from the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's played yet for Miami this
Speaker 1: year because he's hurt. He got hurt, and uh, and
Speaker 1: then you had Robert Quinn, but he was already he
Speaker 1: was a veteran guy anyway that they had signed and
Speaker 1: they only signed traded to a one year deal. Right,
Speaker 1: Malik Collins would be would fall into that. And the
Speaker 1: reports that I've well, I was watching the Vegas game
Speaker 1: the other day and they were talking about Malik hadn't
Speaker 1: really stepped up like they hoped he would. And then
Speaker 1: you got Jeff Heath also, who was mentioned here. Those
Speaker 1: are the four defensive guys that left in free agency
Speaker 1: this year. See, and I think when I can't right,
Speaker 1: the things that happened ever since was these guys played
Speaker 1: well in a Cowboys team, but they weren't individual stars, right,
Speaker 1: but other teams said, oh we got to have him.
Speaker 1: They were you know, Russell Marylyn looked what he did
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. He won two Super Bowls or three,
Speaker 1: whatever it was, and the Raiders paid him big money
Speaker 1: and he never finished his contract. Larry Brown got paid
Speaker 1: big money. Never n all never finished his contract. Right. Uh,
Speaker 1: Charles Haley they kept, but you know he was he
Speaker 1: was always hurt. Tony could see us when elsewhere and
Speaker 1: then came back. You mentioned Russell Maryland. I did the
Speaker 1: only one I think that did well when he left,
Speaker 1: and I'm made him a big way and that's kin
Speaker 1: Nordon Junior. Absolutely, and remember to fit in so well
Speaker 1: with San Francisco. And remember that was at the that
Speaker 1: was at the start of the salary cap, and Jerry
Speaker 1: didn't think he should be spending money on on on
Speaker 1: signing bonuses, and San Francisco signed him to a big
Speaker 1: signing bonus, and Jerry he came up with the thing,
Speaker 1: I don't want to use my credit card that I
Speaker 1: can't pay for it. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: San Francisco wins, and that's it changed the whole scheme
Speaker 1: or all the owners thoughts on guaranteed money on sighting bonuses, yep,
Speaker 1: because they thought that the salary cap would prevent teams
Speaker 1: from giving guys guaranteed money. And then San Francisco did it,
Speaker 1: and it's changed everything. And look how it's changed now
Speaker 1: what twenty five twenty five years later? But that's what
Speaker 1: happened when Ken ken Norton has been riding Ken nord
Speaker 1: has been riding that wave ever since, Yes, all the
Speaker 1: way to a Super Bowl through he came through Dallas
Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl win as well as being a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator in the NFL. Well, I'll point to the
Speaker 1: New England Patriots as a team that that Okay, have
Speaker 1: they kept their defensive players? Did they keep their defensive players?
Speaker 1: The second contracts Chandler Jones is a great example of
Speaker 1: Now let's let's that's an exception. We're talking Bill Belichick here. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can win with anybody, but let's but seriously, contract,
Speaker 1: look at what the Patriots did well was gone when
Speaker 1: I came up for a second contract. That's what happened.
Speaker 1: Key on it. The key on it is you let
Speaker 1: a Chandler Jones go and then what do you do
Speaker 1: with that money? And what the Patriots have done from
Speaker 1: is you know there there would be if he's if
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones is at twenty sixteen million a year, whatever
Speaker 1: it is, Okay, you take that fifteen or sixteen million,
Speaker 1: and you're bringing in four or five veteran guys to
Speaker 1: build a team around. And then you can have four
Speaker 1: or five that could be on one or two year contracts.
Speaker 1: You can sign a you can pick off Kyle van
Speaker 1: Noy that Detroit let's go and he's a he's a
Speaker 1: mainstay on your defense. And then you got four or
Speaker 1: five more than next year. And you get four or
Speaker 1: five more than next year, it's what do you do
Speaker 1: with to offset the loss of that player. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: if you look at all those guys he mentioned, Ken Norton.
Speaker 1: Tell me somebody else from those defenses that went on
Speaker 1: to that second contract with another team and flourished playing.
Speaker 1: They mentioned James Washington. James was good, right, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he went on and had this great All
Speaker 1: Pro career. Uh Darren Smith, you know, Darren Smith wanted
Speaker 1: out the linebacker. Uh, Jimmy Jones. Jimmy Jones, I mean
Speaker 1: he was a backup, you know. So I don't agree
Speaker 1: with that. And it's not like it's not like they've
Speaker 1: neglected paying defensive players if they're good, if if they're stars,
Speaker 1: and you got to look at what the market did, right,
Speaker 1: Were you gonna just pay Byron Jones the best of
Speaker 1: any cornerback in the league? You know? Same? Yeah, same
Speaker 1: thing when Malee Collins good player, but how much would
Speaker 1: you pay him? And teams were beating the Cowboys with
Speaker 1: these guaranteed contracts that you know they they were gonna
Speaker 1: have to get out of them if these guys don't.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's pretty lame. But then you
Speaker 1: got to pay attention to people that have covered this
Speaker 1: team day to day for all these years. All right,
Speaker 1: it's break time. And when you start when you start
Speaker 1: thinking about the article itself, It's hard for me to
Speaker 1: give that extended blame to Jimmy. That was, Like I said,
Speaker 1: that was a fifteen twenty years ago, and we've had
Speaker 1: so many coaches since then that have had a chance
Speaker 1: to change the culture of this team. Each one of
Speaker 1: them put that stamp on it, Each successful one put
Speaker 1: that stamp on it in some way. And I just
Speaker 1: can't blame Jimmy, you know, as much as I would
Speaker 1: love to, I just can't blame Jimmy for this one
Speaker 1: because we've had a lot of chances, especially within the
Speaker 1: last five years, to change the culture of this team. Now,
Speaker 1: let's be real. You can sign all the players you want.
Speaker 1: Spagg you're talking about, and Bill, Bill you're talking about. Well,
Speaker 1: with that money, you can sign all these veterans. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a bunch of veterans right now and none
Speaker 1: of them doing jack. So it doesn't really matter who
Speaker 1: you bring in. It's what you do with them when
Speaker 1: they come in. Do you have a game plan that
Speaker 1: can adhere to their talents. If you look at our
Speaker 1: d line, the names sound very good, but they're not
Speaker 1: doing anything when it comes to the game. They're not
Speaker 1: making the plays we want. We got DeMarcus Lawrence, we
Speaker 1: got Everson Griffin, We've got all the Poe, We've got
Speaker 1: all these guys that were talented so well coming out
Speaker 1: of college. Well, yeah, you signed them all you want,
Speaker 1: but can you make that Can you bring the best
Speaker 1: talent out of them with your coaches and your game plan?
Speaker 1: That's what matters. What do you do with them when
Speaker 1: you get them? And Everson, I don't want to make
Speaker 1: you feel old, but that was twenty seven years ago.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I keep missing your decade. I missed
Speaker 1: a decade. That's what happened. And by the way, the
Speaker 1: defensive lineman that was on the Cowboys last year who
Speaker 1: is doing better, who left in free agency than any
Speaker 1: of them, is carry Hider with San Francisco. Yes, all right,
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Speaker 1: our COVID update for today. How's at things seem to
Speaker 1: be breaking out? Yeah, okay, the Patriots have a prominent
Speaker 1: case that would be the NFL Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: Last year, Stefan Gilmour tested positive for COVID nineteen. But
Speaker 1: the last report and I'm searching right now to see
Speaker 1: if there's anything new on it. The Patriots game for
Speaker 1: this week looks to be okay, that they're handling the situation.
Speaker 1: A couple more in Tennessee, a couple more in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: And there was another team that had I want to
Speaker 1: say one or two. The Titans had someone else, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and there was another one. I'm searching. But anyway, the NFL,
Speaker 1: they had a conference call, I think yesterday and started
Speaker 1: pointing out some other things that they need to take
Speaker 1: care of, emphasizing that they were going to start having
Speaker 1: like video of team facilities to make sure people were
Speaker 1: wearing their masks. I also read that they were going
Speaker 1: to point three coaches from each team that we're going
Speaker 1: to be in charge of enforcing all the protocols and
Speaker 1: if teams weren't U enforcing the protocols like they're supposed
Speaker 1: to h then they're they're going to be subject to
Speaker 1: fines or draft choice reduction. So uh, they've basically sent
Speaker 1: out the memo that everybody needs to be serious about this,
Speaker 1: and you just get the feeling that everybody's starting to
Speaker 1: relax a little bit. Uh. And we see the numbers
Speaker 1: around the country going back up again. So I think
Speaker 1: the word from as well, yeah, and do not do
Speaker 1: not relax. This is not over with yet, but I
Speaker 1: think people are getting tired of it and just saying, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we're good, Well be careful. Well, the Graiders had a
Speaker 1: few uh, and of course the more high profile the
Speaker 1: game is, the more they Before this whole different protocol
Speaker 1: came through. In regards to the three coaches, you had
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is gonna get be fined for not wearing
Speaker 1: his mask. Uh. You had a few other high profile
Speaker 1: players that are gonna be fine, So that means the
Speaker 1: organization's gonna be fined as well. Before this hole all
Speaker 1: went down, you all we lost. No, I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: just had a phone call. Good, We're good. We're good.
Speaker 1: Don't they know I just had a phone call. Hey man,
Speaker 1: you know that's the bill collectors. They don't care, you know,
Speaker 1: but you know, when when you when you you know,
Speaker 1: we had someone like Tony Hill former uh you know
Speaker 1: Cowboy Great. Uh. He ended up being the guy that
Speaker 1: was watching the uniforms, so he would watch during warm
Speaker 1: ups and doing the games. If he had your jersey
Speaker 1: chucked in, see if you had to socks up the
Speaker 1: right length, all kinds of things that that were, you know,
Speaker 1: part of the protocol for the the NFL dressing cold. Well,
Speaker 1: I would think that they would just put someone in
Speaker 1: the stands to do the same thing. I know that
Speaker 1: Tony Hill don't want me throwing him under the bus
Speaker 1: and having him go to a game and be exposed
Speaker 1: to some things necessarily. But usually they have people doing
Speaker 1: that already from the stands. So they're gonna need more
Speaker 1: than one. Like you said, Spags, one person can't do it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have coaches. You have to have coaches that
Speaker 1: are the feet of boots on the ground, as they say,
Speaker 1: on the sideline with them. And when it comes down
Speaker 1: to it, if it goes too far with this, Spags,
Speaker 1: teams are going to have to start changing the schedule.
Speaker 1: So if a game is being postponed, not canceled, but
Speaker 1: just postponed to a later date. Now you're talking about
Speaker 1: changing the entire scheduling of the entire NFL, if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, And so now different bye weeks are gonna change,
Speaker 1: and maybe even the season will have some extra games
Speaker 1: at the end of the sea and when they were
Speaker 1: supposed to be over, now you may have some extra
Speaker 1: games that postpones and put off until later. So that's
Speaker 1: something that I see coming down the pike. So by
Speaker 1: the bye weeks that we might look forward to, they
Speaker 1: may not be there for you when you think they will.
Speaker 1: The other thing that's happening in Nashville are there several
Speaker 1: reports about Titans players having informal workouts after their facility
Speaker 1: had been shut down, and that obviously is a no
Speaker 1: no in the NFL is investigating that, and that could
Speaker 1: result in not just fine. But it's funny. After the games,
Speaker 1: you can see coaches, whether it's college or high school,
Speaker 1: they're motioning to players get off of the field. The
Speaker 1: game is over. No fragodizing. Let's go to the locker
Speaker 1: room and let's get out of here so that we
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about any type of things like that.
Speaker 1: So Jimmy Johnson was always on it before anybody else
Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty nine, with no fragomizing. He would
Speaker 1: love this protocol. So here here was the official thing,
Speaker 1: it says. In addition, in addition to video surveillance, each
Speaker 1: NFL team must identify at least three Tier one staff
Speaker 1: members as fast mask compliance officers who will be responsible
Speaker 1: policing masks use within the club facility and during travel,
Speaker 1: according to updated COVID nineteen protocols finalized by the league
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. So they're they're cracking down. And for you guys,
Speaker 1: remember Jim meyas you remember Jimasa, remember Jim Meyers. Yep,
Speaker 1: Jim Myers was the was the fine coach at practicing
Speaker 1: at the ball games. If you sat on your helmet,
Speaker 1: he was always creeping around behind different players. He was
Speaker 1: a will be the guy too. He keep around some
Speaker 1: of the big players. And if he caught you with
Speaker 1: your chin strap unbutton, or if you're sitting you a
Speaker 1: butt on top of your helmet, he will come get
Speaker 1: you with twenty five dollars. Fine, twenty five dollars, he
Speaker 1: would love to say. And that was his thing. He
Speaker 1: was the fine coach. This would be another moment for him.
Speaker 1: Guy rest his soul. Yeah, he was also the guy
Speaker 1: that enforced curfews and he used to go hide places
Speaker 1: to see if guys were sneaking out at training camp.
Speaker 1: So call him to think he got a start for
Speaker 1: right now or maybe or maybe I just think he
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I just think he enjoyed it way too much.
Speaker 1: That was my thing. You just you seem to be
Speaker 1: too happy about this. Maybe maybe to control the turnovers
Speaker 1: that are are creeping into this game, they'll start finding
Speaker 1: the guys. Ye. Speaking speaking to turnovers, we'll get into
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. I did some research on Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 1: turnover margins in his career with the Packers, and it's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting stuff. You notice at all his press conferences
Speaker 1: after the recent games, the first thing he talks about
Speaker 1: it are the turnovers. I mean, after this last game,
Speaker 1: there was so much that went bad with the defense,
Speaker 1: but it's the turnover margin is what has frustrated him
Speaker 1: more than anything. And you'll understand, well you understand why anyway,
Speaker 1: because it's so important to winning football games, but especially
Speaker 1: after you see the numbers that I will give you
Speaker 1: tomorrow on the Packers during his thirteen years as the
Speaker 1: head coach, where they were in turnover margin and there
Speaker 1: was a reason that they were winning a whole lot
Speaker 1: of football games in Greenway. Well, he threw out a
Speaker 1: number today in the press one three plus one oh
Speaker 1: three over thirteen years on his TV show last night.
Speaker 1: I threw out a couple of numbers to him about
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons, and he would I did he
Speaker 1: steal your numbers? He said, Wow, I'm impressed that he
Speaker 1: did that research. I say, oh, that's what I do.
Speaker 1: All right, that does it, and we will see you
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