1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Fellow Ridiculous Historians, thank you for joining us in this 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: week's classic episode. We're gonna be honest. We take a 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: lot of license with the word ridiculous. Sometimes evil things 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: are ridiculous as well, and this episode is about a 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: very ridiculously evil policy in our good state of Kansas. 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: That's true. Why might you ask, did Kansas decide to 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: imprison women for having sexually transmitted diseases? How long did 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: this last? And why have so few people heard about 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: this in the modern day? Let's roll it. 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, 11 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in. We would like to begin 12 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: today's show with an acknowledgment of something that may have 13 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: be fuddled some of you, our fellow ridiculous historians. 14 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Ben, Hey, I'm no What are you talking about, Ben? 15 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm talking Noel about the fact that we double Oregoned. 16 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. 17 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: On our quest to do one episode for every state 18 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: in the US. 19 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: It's almost like we haven't been really thinking this through. 20 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: It's almost as if we were winging that one. 21 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: It's true. Well, we thought both. 22 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: Stories regarding Oregon were interesting and important, so much so 23 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: that we didn't really decide which one was our official 24 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: Oregon episode. 25 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: So we have two. Should we address right up front 26 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: our double mispronunciation of the Malleury Wildlife Preservation, Casey, apparently 27 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: you really peed the bed on that one. My man. 28 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: Well, I'm unclear on this because the comment, Okay, so 29 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: there's the way they say it there, which is the 30 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: American way of saying it, which is quote unquote wrong 31 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 3: if you're going by the French standard. I don't know 32 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: if people are saying my French pronunciation was also. 33 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't know what. No, I don't think 34 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: they're saying that at all. Yeah, and I'm giving you 35 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: a hard time, Casey. 36 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: So but yes bye. By sort of saying that's how 37 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 3: French people would say it, then you guys started saying 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: it that way, and of course that's never how it 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 3: works out when an American city is named for some other. 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: So what's what's the real way, What's what's the real 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 2: Oregonian way? 42 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 3: It's like mal here or something. I think the h 43 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 3: is silent, right, I don't know, you know, I withdraw 44 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: from this discussion entirely. Those folks can pronounce it, how 45 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 3: are they. 46 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: Like okay, Well, just to verify we did find it, Noel, 47 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: do you want to give it a shot? 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, hang on here, mal here, that's doesn't that isn't 49 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: that is that? Yeah, mal here. 50 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: Well, it's just it's just a different way of approaching it. 51 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: And as we know, with proper nouns, pronunciation can be 52 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, very much on a case by case basis, 53 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: and obey the rules of grammar and phonetics in absolutely 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: no shape fashion reform. 55 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: See fourvo says it's mallur ma Oregon see three different ways, 56 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: three different ways. So I don't know not to get 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 2: a b in our bonnet right up at the top 58 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: of the show. Don't let it get to you. I'm 59 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: not gonna let it get to you. But this, this 60 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: episode today is about a state that's not Oregon. That's 61 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: sort of the whole point of this way right right right. 62 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: Also, we would be criminally remiss if we didn't do 63 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: one of my favorite things to do on this show, 64 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: Friends and Neighbors. Super producer Casey Pegram I just love 65 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: the sound cute. 66 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: I love it too, But I've noticed we've drifted into 67 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: a thing where we will Casey will be on mic 68 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: and it's not necessarily Casey on the case, so it 69 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be. It's a brave new world. It's 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: a brave new world. 71 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: It's just like English is a living language that continually evolves. 72 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: This show and the country in which we record it 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: are continually evolving. 74 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: Well, hey, I see where you're going. 75 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, because today our journey takes us to Kansas in 76 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties, and we want to warn everybody this 77 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: is not a super happy, fun, feel good. 78 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: Story now, No, it's really not. Really. Nothing good comes 79 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: of this other than the fact that it stopped happening eventually, right, 80 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: That is the happy ending. The it in question, Ben, The. 81 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: It in questionable is the imprisonment of thousands of innocent people. Well, 82 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: they were innocent by what we would consider criminal standards today, 83 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: but morally they were considered quite guilty. 84 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: But not just people, Ben, women specifically and poor women. 85 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 2: So what's the scoop? 86 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: So the nineteen twenties in the US sees the influx 87 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: of many international influences because of people returning from World 88 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: War One, which started in July of nineteen fourteen and 89 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: went to November of nineteen eighteen, and not to cast 90 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: aspersion on these returning soldiers. But a lot of them 91 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: didn't just bring an appreciation for foreign food or new 92 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: sorts of architecture music back home with them. They also 93 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: brought some diseases. That's right, because they couldn't keep their 94 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: d's in their peace right where. 95 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: A family show. 96 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: So what ended up happening is they returned home to 97 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: their significant others, or they met people in the States 98 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: and they transmitted some of these diseases they had picked up. 99 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, things like syphilis, gonorrhea, things that genuinely posed not 100 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: only a national health risk, but also a national security risk. 101 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: I read this the idea of it potentially preventing soldiers 102 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: from being effective in battle. Right. Some of these diseases 103 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: are no joke. 104 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: They debilitate you severely, especially as they progress, things like syphilis. 105 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: Right. 106 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: And then you know, as we mentioned, there were a 107 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: couple of other diseases in the mixed chlamydia, the clap 108 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: as well. And when this spike happened, it was noticeable. 109 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: It was an outbreak. It wasn't just like two people 110 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: in a town all of a sudden showed symptoms of 111 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: god rhea when they were tested, and States started to 112 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: panic and usually, unfortunately, when human communities panic, we often 113 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: tend to target the people with the least agency or 114 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: the least power in a community or that. 115 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: And when we panic, we tend to screw up and 116 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: overshoot the mark a little bit, right, So, in an 117 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 2: effort to quash these potential outbreaks, in Kansas in particular, 118 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: it was in nineteen seventeen that there was a law 119 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: pass called Chapter two five, known as the State of 120 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: Kansas Quarantine Law. And what this essentially meant was anyone 121 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: suspected of having a sexually transmitted disease. It basically gave 122 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: public health officials an insane amount of leeway in terms of, Hey, 123 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: you there, Ben, you're looking a little peaked today. I 124 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: think you probably have gone rhea into the cells with you. 125 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: So before we go any further, let's clarify here. STDs 126 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: transmit across the entirety of the gender spectrum's right, So 127 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: this means that if Kansas and other states are so 128 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: very concerned about the threat posed by STDs, they should 129 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: be locking up everyone who has one. 130 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, that's right, except we were just desperate for 131 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: able bodied men to fight in this you know, horrific conflict, 132 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: So it would be kind of counterproductive to lock up 133 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: every man suspected of having one of these diseases, especially 134 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: since the testing at the time right very inaccurate. 135 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: The testing was nowhere near sophisticated as testing methods today. Additionally, 136 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: there was this huge sexual double standard, you know what 137 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean, talk about victim blaming this. We shall also 138 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: say a lot of this information is coming from Nicole Perry, 139 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: a University of Kansas researcher who dug into the story 140 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: behind chapter two five. So we've established the gist right 141 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: the general way in which this occurred. But we should 142 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: probably also mention that when they were taking women to 143 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: court for these situations, they would find excuses to intervene 144 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: in and then find out that they had STDs and 145 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: then punish them like they would They would use charges 146 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: like vagrancy. 147 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: That's right, no for sure. And the thing about this 148 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 2: too is these women didn't go to the state penitentiary 149 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: because the idea was that they would be abused by 150 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: the male inmates. So nearby there was actually another facility 151 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: called the Kansas State Industrial Farm, which was in fact 152 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: a farm but is officially a working farm, but it 153 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: was officially listed as a prison. That's right, exactly. And 154 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: the notion was that social reformers, as is discussed in 155 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: this article from caseu R The Faces of Long Gone 156 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: Women tell a New story of the Kansas State Prison, 157 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: social reformers believe that women that went there had the 158 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 2: potential to be rehabilitated. But here's the thing. In this article, 159 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: there's a woman named Jennifer Moyer who got a grant 160 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: from the state to set up a exhibit at the 161 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: Lansing Historical Museum, which is a very small place in 162 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: a former train depot, all in the actual prison grounds. 163 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: And she got ahold of all these amazing intake photographs 164 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: of inmates when they you know, when they were admitted, 165 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: I guess, and they're incarcerated booked exactly. And she noticed 166 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: that following the opening of this separate women's prison in 167 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: the spring of nineteen seventeen, it only had about seventeen 168 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: inmates total, and that was pretty common in Kansas. But 169 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: when Chapter two of five kicked in, it rose significantly 170 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: to almost four hundred women in the facility by the 171 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: end of that year. The end of that year, and 172 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: that continued to grow because you see, after the war ended, 173 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: this statute stayed on the books, and they kept using 174 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 2: it to persecute women. Right. 175 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: And in her research, Jennifer Meyer finds short write ups 176 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: of interviews that the inmates, that the inmates had with 177 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: the authorities, and this is how she learned that several 178 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 1: things were happening as a result of this moral panic, 179 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: one of those being that women were being rounded up 180 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: in raids, and then some had been turned in by 181 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: jilted lovers, right. 182 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: And just in general, they were profiled because, like we 183 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: said earlier, because those tests for these diseases were so inaccurate. 184 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: Sometimes you might have a public health official who says, oh, 185 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: you're sexually active, therefore you must have an stdre to 186 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: the prison farm with you. 187 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: And then also this magnifies the tragedy. Some women turned 188 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: themselves in of their own accord because they had been 189 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: exposed to an STD and treatment at the time was 190 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: very expensive, not to mention often not safe. 191 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the term toxic came up a few times. 192 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: What are we talking. 193 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: Here, Well, we have to remember this is the age 194 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: before the widespread use of penicillin, right, So there are 195 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: treatments of things like sulfonylamide on gonorrhea, and these things 196 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: could work, but they could also be dangerous. You know, 197 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: you're poisoning your body in some cases. 198 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw another one too, for pre penicillin treatment 199 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 2: of gnohea. That was something called cubebs, which is an 200 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: Indonesian pepper that was turned into a powder and applied 201 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: to the affected area. And if you can imagine rubbing 202 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: a hot pepper on your genitals, that's not a fun 203 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: sounding experience at all. 204 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean to each their own, but yeah, I would 205 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: say in general, that's not for me at least. So 206 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: these people, if they were not well off financially, had 207 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: no place to go to get treatment. Not to mention 208 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 1: the shame that could spread around town, right, your reputation 209 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: being key, especially in small town and the state of 210 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: Kansas itself did not invest in free public health clinics 211 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: at this time, So the closest many people could get 212 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: to a free public health clinic is the farm. 213 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, No, I mean, it really is a 214 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: pretty dire situation when you have someone in genuine need 215 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: who has done nothing wrong and potentially, you know what, 216 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 2: had intercourse with someone who may have even known they 217 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: had the disease and decided to keep that from the partner. 218 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 2: You know, this happens all the time, right, So you're 219 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 2: literally victimized people who are already victims. 220 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, and not only victimizing them in this legal sense, 221 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: but also in this again this moral sense that you 222 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: are a woman of ill repute and so on. And 223 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: as you said, and I think this is important point, 224 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: they were not held there for the rest of their lives. 225 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: They were typically in for a matter of several months, right, 226 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: two or three months. We don't know what happens to 227 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: a lot of them after they leave, because there's no 228 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: there's just no paper trail, right, except for in a 229 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: few very isolated cases. And these are young kids too, 230 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: like sixteen to twenty two, I think. 231 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you want to see some of these women, 232 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: you know, and you're in the area, I highly recommend 233 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: that you check out this exhibit at the Lansing Historical 234 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 2: Museum because these images are incredibly stark. They're captured using 235 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: very high quality glass plate negatives, which I believe is 236 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: still like a fine art photography method that's used today, 237 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: and they yield these very stark black and white images. 238 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: And in the article, the curator of this Museum. This 239 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: exhibit talks about how surprising it is that these images 240 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: are so old, and that it's very easy to look 241 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: at these faces and kind of identify and see yourself 242 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: in them because they really, you know, other than the dress, 243 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: these are humans and it's very striking to kind of 244 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: see them because they I'm looking at this one of 245 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: a woman and she's in her profile shot, she's kind 246 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: of like looks a little timid and looking away, but 247 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: in her head on shot, she almost has like kind 248 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: of a grin on her face. Yeah, and you know, 249 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 2: and really some of these the clothes aren't even that 250 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: dated looking other than just the little you know, what 251 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: do you call it, the prison number and the you know, 252 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 2: the little tag that you hold up look very much 253 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: like a mugshot you might see today, only black and white. So, yeah, 254 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: the slate. 255 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: There's a there's a very emotionally charged human element to this, 256 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: and it's tough. Two, it's tough to overestimate the importance 257 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: of these photographs in history, right because I don't know 258 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: about you, Noel, but I'm pretty sure neither of us 259 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: knew about this practice before we started examining it for 260 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: this episode. 261 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not and we met. We mentioned at the 262 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: top of the show, and I think it goes without 263 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: saying because of the military situation, but Meyer was asked 264 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: how many men she found that had been incarcerated because 265 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 2: of chapter two of five, and she says she couldn't 266 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: find any. So I think that kind of goes without 267 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 2: saying that that men were kind of able to just 268 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: get away with murder. There's even a story about, you know, oh, 269 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: I got a disease from my husband and he reported 270 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: me just to like get rid of me. It's just 271 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: this kind of witch hunt kind of situation. 272 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: And the question that many of us are probably wondering 273 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: at this point is how far did this go? How 274 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: many people did Chapter two five affect? Well, we can 275 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: say that number of people the penitentiary rose from seventeen 276 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: to four hundred and this of the year. Eventually it 277 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: led to around five thousand women being imprisoned at the 278 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: farm while the law was on the books between nineteen seventeen. 279 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 2: And nineteen forty two. Insane. Yeah, that's wild, because you know, 280 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: if it was designed to or at least intended to, 281 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: you know, help with this war situation, it's interesting that 282 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: it stayed on the books for so long after as 283 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: a means of kind of rounding up what might be 284 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: considered as sinful women in the eyes of like a 285 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: possibly puritanical rule of law. 286 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: And you can read some great articles about this, particularly 287 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: on the University of Kansas website. There's a great article 288 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: titled Researcher Documents Gender class bias in Quarantine law Measures. 289 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: And one thing that was pretty important to us in 290 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: our research and with our research team looking at this 291 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: was to note that the US does have a history 292 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: of quarantining, detaining, or in turning citizens on its own soil. 293 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: Right exactly. The Justice Department actually oversaw the internment of 294 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 2: more than what was it been, thirty thirty thousand, more 295 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: than thirty thousand American civilians during World War Two. 296 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this included more than eleven thousand people of 297 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: German descents, Yeah, just just because of their ancestry, the 298 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: three thousand due to their Italian ancestry. And then of 299 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: course there were the US citizens who were in Japanese 300 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: internment camps as well. 301 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 2: And not to mention the fact that in the eighties 302 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: and nineties during the HIV AIDS epidemic or when it 303 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: first kind of came into the public consciousness. There was 304 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: actually suggestion consideration of rounding up those affected by that 305 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 2: into some kind of quarantine situation. 306 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: And we know that ultimately that did not occur. But 307 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: the scary number for that is, in nineteen ninety one, 308 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: thirty four percent of the US public supported the idea 309 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: of quarantining people who add HIV. 310 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: It's a similar situation to you know, with the STD 311 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: panic that we're talking about in the twenties, where it 312 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 2: is seen as it's something new that they haven't experienced before, 313 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 2: and it's seen as a potential public health crisis. So 314 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 2: you know, people do stupid stuff when they panic. 315 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: But we do have a I guess a little bit 316 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: of let's say, light at the end of the tunnel 317 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: of moral panic here, because that nineteen ninety one stat 318 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: we just mentioned changes over time, and. 319 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 2: These stats are from a report from the Psychology Department 320 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 2: of UC Davis. There was another stat from ninety one 321 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 2: saying that as many as twenty nine percent of the 322 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 2: population believe that names should be named. So I talk 323 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: about a witch hunt for those suffering from AIDS and 324 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: they should be made public. But in the Spanish, just 325 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: a handful of years. By ninety seven, only one in 326 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 2: six endorsed these kinds of policies, and fewer than one 327 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 2: in five supported doxing these people for lack of a 328 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 2: better expression, putting out these names. So you know, and 329 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: certainly the stigma surrounding STDs has similarly changed in this 330 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: country from the way it may have been in World 331 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: War One. 332 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, one would hope that we are making progress not 333 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: just as a society but as a species today. As 334 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: we said, this law is no longer on the books 335 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: in Kansas, but it is important to remember that things 336 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: like this, crazy as they sound, really did occur. 337 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: It's true. And if we're doing a few stats, I 338 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: think we should wrap with with a pretty interesting one today. 339 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 2: According to the American Sexual Health Association, one and two 340 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: sexually active people will contract STD or STI infection by 341 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 2: the age of twenty five of some sort of some 342 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 2: sort exactly, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 343 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 2: estimate that in someone in the neighborhood of twenty million, 344 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: new in and says of STDs occur every single year. 345 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: The good news is, however, that there are multitudes of 346 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: resources that can help you if you have any concerns. 347 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: You can go get free tests right in a city 348 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: near you to steal a line from that men's warehouse guy. 349 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: I guarantee it, And of course you hear it all 350 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: the time. Just practice safe sex and just be smart 351 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: about it. There's all kinds of resources, like Ben said, 352 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: and there's all kinds. 353 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: Of ways to protect yourself from getting one of these things. 354 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 2: So you know, there you go. 355 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: No, it occurs to me that we have completed our 356 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: Kansas episode, but there's so many other interesting stories about Kansas. 357 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: Are we going to end up doing a thing where 358 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: we have like four episodes about one state and one 359 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: episode for other states? 360 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, 361 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: but you know, some states are greater than others in 362 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: terms of the stories, but we're trying to dig for 363 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: all of them. Man, we're not We're not gonna discriminate 364 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: right against the states upfront, but the scrimmas state. Yeah, 365 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 2: that's good, Ben, that's not that's I like it. I 366 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,920 Speaker 2: liked it. It was worth it, as you would say, And. 367 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: So we need your help. Let us know about the strange, 368 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: little known historical oddities you have discovered researching a particular 369 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: state in the US. You can tell us about it 370 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: on Instagram, you can tell us about it on Twitter. 371 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: We would love if you tell us, along with your 372 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: fellow Ridiculous Historians about your research on our community page, 373 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Historians. And before we go, you know what, No, 374 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: we've been on a kick about this lately. I say 375 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: we double down and do some more listener mail. 376 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: Is it because the episodes has been running short? 377 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: It's because this episode is shorter, Yes, that's true. 378 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: But it's a good one. You know, it's absolutely worthwhile, 379 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: very important, and it certainly was a darker time in 380 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: this country. But you know less, history repeat itself always 381 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 2: a good idea to kind of keep on top of 382 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: the trends of the past. 383 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now, without further delay, Casey, could you set 384 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: us up for listener mail. So this is not our 385 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: usual listener mail kind of thing, but I thought this 386 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: was hilarious and if you haven't seen it on Ridiculous Historians, 387 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: we wanted to share this with you. 388 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 2: First, Welcome to Nicole p. Nicole. 389 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: You are a new member on the group, and you 390 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: recently said, does anyone hate these Starbucks ads as much 391 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: as I do? I feel like they're on every podcast 392 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: and they make me want to flip over tables and 393 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: burn down as Starbucks. 394 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: Well, the joke's on you, because the tables at Starbucks 395 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 2: are bolted down, my friend. 396 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: They thought about it, and just reading the descriptions of 397 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: this opprobrium is so amazing. 398 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: Melissa E. 399 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: F responds, not just you, I hate them with the 400 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 1: fiery passion of a thousand suns. 401 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 2: Here's the thing, folks, we don't always have control over 402 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: which ads get in our show, especially when they're ones 403 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: we don't ourselves read or endorse. But you know what, 404 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: they keep the lights on, and they keep our mouths 405 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: talking into these here microphone, Thank yous. 406 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: Just the one war though, this is I'm reading these 407 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: because I you know, as a lover of language, I 408 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: really respect a good turn of phrase. So Jerry m 409 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: agrees and says, yes, annoying and somehow semi inappropriate, to 410 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: which Nicole p says, right, it's like being told to 411 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: have to pee by someone trying to seduce me. 412 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh wow, Oh my good gracious, that's that's 413 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: the closest we can get as a family show. I 414 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: really hope Starbucks isn't listening today. I hope they make 415 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: an out about it. Hey, you know what, it's fun. 416 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: We love Starbucks. Actually, I go, I go, I get 417 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 2: my Starbucks. I get my Bucks on on the. 418 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: Rag and your point you're pointing by ads is right. 419 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: We just we want to thank everyone listening for being 420 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: so supportive of our show and also being so consistently hilarious. 421 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 2: Agreed. Okay, the next one is uh. I don't know. 422 00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: I'm not walking it back, but it's a little mea 423 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: culp for me. We've got one from Cameron. A. Hi, 424 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: my name is Cameron. Let me just say I love 425 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: your show. I wait every episode you guys put out. 426 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: If I use social media, I would join your groups, 427 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: but I'm too busy for social media at the moment. However, 428 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 2: regarding your latest episode at the time, this was the 429 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: British soccer game where the Brits gave the Nazi salute. 430 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: I was a little sad to hear you guys compare 431 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 2: the United States to Nazi Germany. I do respect that 432 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: you first began with not to get political, but it 433 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 2: still made me feel a bit unwelcome as a listener 434 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 2: to the podcast. Not a huge Trump fan, a conservative libertarian, 435 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: but he is still our commander in chief, and I 436 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 2: wish him the best I can in his term as president. 437 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: So I do just want to say that my statement 438 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: there in our statement, I mean it was I'm the 439 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 2: one who said it and then backed me up. It 440 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 2: was mainly just the idea of watching history repeat itself 441 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: in terms of appeasement. I was not comparing America to 442 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: Nazi Germany. I was more saying the pieces that were 443 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: laid that led to something like the Nazis being able 444 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: to take power are strangely similar to what we're seeing 445 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: with our administration right now in terms of letting things slide. 446 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: That there's like sort of an escalating effect that you 447 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 2: can kind of get a sense of and maybe compare 448 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: the two historical circumstances. I am in no way implying 449 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump is one to one with Adolf Hitler 450 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 2: at all, and we are not a political show. But 451 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 2: it was a parallel that I could not help but 452 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 2: notice and felt compelled to comment on. 453 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: I see also also this was interesting to me. First, Cameron, 454 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: thank you for your well worded and pretty respectful email, 455 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: But this reminded me of Godwin's law. 456 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 2: Do you know what that is? Gladwin's law, no Godwin, 457 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: no relationship. Okay, god wy In. 458 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: It's a weird thing that you may have heard if 459 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: you're familiar with the internet. Godwin's Law, also called Godwin's 460 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: rule of Hitler analogies, is this Internet adage that says, 461 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: as no online discussion grows longer, the probability of a 462 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: comparison involving Hitler approaches one, which this guy's argument is, 463 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: no matter who who you talk about, no matter what 464 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: you talk about, if it's online, you talk about it 465 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: long enough. At some point, Nazis are gonna come up. 466 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: Have you seen this Teddy rouxspin, this new online Teddy ruxspin. 467 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: It's just like Nazi Germany. 468 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 2: It's pretty the pieces are there. Yeah. 469 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: So okay, if you're cool with it, maybe we end 470 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: with with a funny email. 471 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that smart. We go funny, heavy, funny. 472 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, like m PR, which is true, that's their formula. 473 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: We are also big m PR fit. 474 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 2: It's true. 475 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: So this email, everybody, get your ears ready for this. 476 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: This email is called. 477 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: How could you do It? That should be a segment 478 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: from from Noel l oh cool namesake in Oe l 479 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: l e Ah whatever. Forget her. I'm sure you'll be famous. Friends. 480 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: So, Noel, you wrote in to say, I want to 481 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: know how you could do a show on the epic 482 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: song Louie Louie and speak of its supposed to batchry 483 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: impact on America's youth and not even mentioned one of 484 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: the greatest covers of it, John Belushi and Animal House. 485 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: That one scene defines everything that the mothers and fathers 486 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: were worried. The song was encouraging. Guys, it was a 487 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: great show, But I kept waiting for you to at 488 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: least mention this piece of American film history in connection 489 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: with the song. You blew it, guys. Double Secret Probation 490 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: for you, Noel, Ell, I. 491 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 2: Don't get the reference. I haven't seen Animal House. Animal 492 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: House is great, Casey, have you seen Animal House? 493 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: No? 494 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 3: I haven't, But I do know the double Secret Probation thing, 495 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 3: because that was also like on the special edition when 496 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 3: it came out, it was the Double Secret Probation Edition. 497 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: So so I've got to get you, guys. We've got 498 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: to have a pizza party and watch Animal House. 499 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 2: I've never seen The Blues Brothers either, so I've got 500 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 2: some real holes in my comedy film history, you know. 501 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: I watched The Blues Brothers when I was a kid 502 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: with I guess some relatives. 503 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: And I think I just didn't get it, you know 504 00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 2: what I mean. I think a lot of it went 505 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: over my head. 506 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: But thank you so much for writing in Noel and 507 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: everyone else. 508 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: Let us know. 509 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: If I've got to take Casey and Noll to a 510 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: movie night sometime soon, should we go for Animal House 511 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: or should we go for Blues Brothers. 512 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: Or what about Blues Brothers two thousand? 513 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: I saw that one in the theater. Yeah, I heard 514 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 3: it was quite bad, And yeah, you guys don't need 515 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 3: to catch up on those. 516 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: Cool There's actually an episode of How Did This Get Made? 517 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: About it if you want to check that show out 518 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 2: with Paul Sheer and June, Diane Raphael and Jason man Zucaus. 519 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: Paul Sheer, who has actually been a guest on our 520 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 2: Sister Brother Peer Peer podcast movie crush. 521 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: YEP, and uh, Blues Brothers two thousand is ridiculously cameo heavy. 522 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: So uh so, I guess it depends on how you 523 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: feel about cameos. 524 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: But or what about the band cameo ward app Yeah, 525 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 2: the band cameo themselves. 526 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: They don't get enough mentions and that's why you tuned 527 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: into Ridiculous History so you can hear Cameo get the 528 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: passing they deserve. 529 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I know we're in Tangent City right now when 530 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: need to have this up. But I have to say 531 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 2: this because I was standing around at the airport. I'm 532 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: listening a comedy Bang Bang, which I love, and there 533 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 2: is a character, you know the show. They have different 534 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 2: improv actors playing characters coming on the show talking to 535 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: Scott Ackerman, and one of them was his character was 536 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 2: it's the guy from Cameo and every he just speaks 537 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: like Hello Scott, Hello, Bam wired app and it's like 538 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: that's how he speaks, and I'm like, I recognize that voice. 539 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: And it was Carl Tart, who used to be one 540 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: of the co hosts of our other cohort podcasts, Culture Kings. Oh, 541 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: he's the. 542 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: Guy that Got Away Comedy's. 543 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 2: He also plays the chief on Comedy Bang Bank, the 544 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: Carmen san Diego character. I had no idea. 545 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty awesome, congratulations Carl. Maybe we could have him 546 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: come on our show at some point. 547 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: Who knows. 548 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean, we are pretty friendly with each other and. 549 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: We do seem to be check out the recent episode 550 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: with Robert Evans. I actually listened to it myself in 551 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: the wild. That was a fun little discussion about the 552 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: racist origins of Oregon. 553 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert Van's the mastermind behind the new podcast Behind. 554 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: The Bastard's True. Check it out, Check it out. 555 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: And let us know what you think, and tune in 556 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: for our next episode, when we explore Oscar Wilde, the 557 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: morals of Victorian England, the incredibly complicated fashion required of the. 558 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: Time, and an infamous pair of cross dressers who set 559 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 2: the hoity toity world of late Victorian England ablaze. 560 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: Thanks to our super producer, Casey Pegram, thanks to Christopher Hasiotis, 561 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: our research assistant, thanks to. 562 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 2: Alex Williams who composed our theme, and most importantly, thanks 563 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: to you for putting up with us to knuckleheads and 564 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: digging the show. We'll see you next time. For more 565 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 566 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.