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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Selective Ignorance. However,

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Speaker 1: before we get to this week's episode, I want to

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Speaker 1: remind you guys to purchase my book No Holds Barred,

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Speaker 1: a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power. So feel

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Speaker 1: just click the button on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you read your books. Again. That is No Holds Barred,

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Speaker 1: a dual manifesto of sexual exploration and power, written by

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Speaker 1: yours truly and my co host of the Decisions Decisions podcast, Weezy.

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Speaker 1: Make sure y'all get that. Now, let's get to this

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Speaker 1: week's episode. This is Mandy B. Welcome to Selective Ignorance,

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Speaker 1: a production of The Black Effect Podcast Network and Iart Radio.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, y'all, welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of Selective Ignorance with Mandy B. That's me where I

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Speaker 1: remind you weekly that minded some of your business and

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Speaker 1: self care, but minding all of it, well, that's just

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Speaker 1: being uninformed. This week we are diving at first into

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Speaker 1: the hot tub of public outrage and I love these

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Speaker 1: type of episodes because we are really getting into everything

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Speaker 1: current that had y'all bothered, So everything from pop culture

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Speaker 1: which is melting down, the music landscape, which is always messy,

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Speaker 1: and somehow in between celebrity think pieces and TikTok discussions,

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Speaker 1: we've circled right back to gender roles in patriarchy. Apparently

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Speaker 1: the internet is debating what makes a woman motherly, because

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Speaker 1: heaven forbid a working, successful woman not spend twenty four

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Speaker 1: smiling through exhaustion. And yet while we're questioning the patriarchy,

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Speaker 1: we got to talk about how outrage around domestic violence

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Speaker 1: feels a bit selective. When it's a man, pitchforks, bring

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Speaker 1: it out, he is done for the account. When it's

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Speaker 1: a woman, however, suddenly it's complicated and contextual, and no

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Speaker 1: one seems to matter. Why does the empathy curve shift

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Speaker 1: like that? We're getting into it, and speaking of complicated,

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Speaker 1: we've got another story this week of a woman who

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Speaker 1: is now being to blame for the death of a rapper,

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Speaker 1: and of course it is leaning back to whether or

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Speaker 1: not he deserves it quote unquote or not due to

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Speaker 1: his history of domestic violence. It's sad, it's tragic. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and just throw the trigger warning there

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Speaker 1: because we get into it, and then of course we

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Speaker 1: can't end without a little bit of mess. And y'all

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Speaker 1: know she is one of my favorites. I love Ari Lennox,

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Speaker 1: But girl, we all kind of just want you to

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Speaker 1: stick to the music. Because Ari Lenox decided to share

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Speaker 1: her unfiltered thoughts on Martin and Bernie Mack and the

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Speaker 1: folks are heated. Is she just keeping it real or

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Speaker 1: is she doing the absolute most? But also, is all

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Speaker 1: comedy ties to things that are gonna offend people? Is

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Speaker 1: colorism always a topic of discussion with us? By the way,

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Speaker 1: we're also leaning into rap lyrics. I'm gonna leave it there.

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Speaker 1: That's just a little tease. We've got a lot to impact,

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Speaker 1: So grab your tea, yo coffee, yo wine, keep your judgment,

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Speaker 1: and remember just because it's selective ignorance doesn't mean we're

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Speaker 1: not paying attention. And y'all welcome to the episode. We're here,

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Speaker 1: We're back. I am joined by one half of my

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Speaker 1: super producer clan. I don't know if I can use

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, damn, like we is, we

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Speaker 1: as people of color, cake each clan. Right, that's not

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Speaker 1: really cool, y'all. We have Jason joining us from Jersey.

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Speaker 1: He is Why don't y'all y'all say it like that,

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Speaker 1: you know you Puerto Rican or whatever, y'all be turning

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Speaker 1: the Jays into.

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Speaker 2: Why that's funny? I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I just live here.

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Speaker 3: I don't rip here. I wasn't born here, and it's

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Speaker 1: All right? We are missing a king while he is

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Speaker 1: taking care of family matter in New York. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to a King. But we are joined by one of

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Speaker 1: my very selectively ignorant friends. No for sure. What I

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Speaker 1: But this is what this show is about. I feel

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Speaker 1: am joined by Jay Hill, who is a multimedia journalist

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Speaker 1: and influencer originally from the city in the Country with

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Speaker 1: j Hill Podcast here in Atlanta. The podcast focuses on

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Speaker 1: interviews with interesting people from the entertainment industry and Jay

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Speaker 1: Hill does have a background in internet radio, working at

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Speaker 1: various stations and platforms including BBC Radio, DTLR, Morgan Radio,

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Speaker 2: He's been on his grind like push a t in malice.

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Speaker 4: Oh, so, y'all have I have? What up?

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Speaker 1: Man? What's going on?

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Speaker 4: You know it's funny because it's funny. I always had

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Speaker 4: said that, you know, like I'll be trying to say

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Speaker 4: my relationships. I'd be like, you know what, maybe everything

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Speaker 4: don't need to be said. That's cal bro you. It's

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Speaker 4: like I don't want to say have a problem with it,

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Speaker 4: but I feel like it'd be like, so, I remember

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Speaker 4: when I did the interview with you, I'm like, yo,

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Speaker 4: what's the war?

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Speaker 5: Men?

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Speaker 4: Like y'all hate men?

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Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no. I am bisexual

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Speaker 1: and I love men, specifically black men, and I am

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Speaker 1: here for y'all existing. Now do all of you need mics?

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Speaker 4: No, like.

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Speaker 1: You know, and I just think that there's there's there's

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Speaker 1: hate men content though you think I do.

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Speaker 4: That means you just where are you getting at? We

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Speaker 4: talk well not even just no, no, no, it's not just men.

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Speaker 4: We had a conversation about something and you was just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Didn't agree with it, but you can't remember what it was.

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Speaker 4: No, it was about the girl that got here with

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Speaker 4: a brick or something like that. But it's just.

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Speaker 1: It is Oh, you're right, and I don't remember.

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Speaker 4: But your take was just I'm like, yo, Mandy, like

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Speaker 4: it was like Broake, this was years ago.

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Speaker 1: He probably don't even remember now, just maybe at the

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Speaker 4: It was just but I didn't say anything. I was like,

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Speaker 4: you know what, cool, It's like she didn't hold no accountability.

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Speaker 4: I'm like you know what, Oh.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, Just so you know, I am all about

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Speaker 1: equal opportunity and accountability for all racist genders and all

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Speaker 1: the things out me too, right. We do like to

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Speaker 1: start off with a little ketchup, and I kind of

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Speaker 1: So I came here and wanted to start by saying,

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Speaker 1: if you haven't known already, I was in Yersy, I

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Speaker 1: was at MetLife, and I had to repeat this yet again. Baby,

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Speaker 1: the Internet is not real. I tried to not have

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Speaker 1: one of day of two days of Chris Brown selling

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Speaker 1: out this goddamn stadium tour, and I was just like,

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Speaker 1: I was an awe. I've been going to Chris Brown

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Speaker 1: nine is when he had the Rihanna shit he had

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Speaker 1: think the Fame album. Since then, I've been rocking with

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Speaker 1: that motherfucker. And it was just really incredible to see.

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Speaker 1: I missed Summer Walker, did not know her, and Bryce

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Speaker 1: and Tiller were back and forth with the opening, and

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Speaker 1: bigger than fucking Bryce and Tiller. Why is he coming

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Speaker 1: out second? I was mad because I was just sure

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Speaker 1: so I did. Miss summer Walker was real sad about

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Speaker 1: that because I love her stage presence. Now, I was

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Speaker 1: highly surprised by Bryson m So he sounded good, he

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Speaker 1: looked good, and we ain't seen him in a while

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Speaker 1: because the nigga be disappearing for years at the time.

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Speaker 1: But he actually sounded and look good, I will say

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Speaker 1: for a stadium. I was unimpressed with the fact that

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Speaker 1: forth on the stage. He was it was given. You

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Speaker 4: Somebody though, like somebody literally just said they've seen him performing.

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Speaker 4: They wasn't. They didn't like it because he don't have that.

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Speaker 1: There was no there was no element of a performance.

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Speaker 1: It was you getting my vocals and I'm walking back

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Speaker 2: It's gonna fiell me or not.

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Speaker 4: He feel like app.

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Speaker 1: Yes, which is probably why the worst rapper I've ever

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Speaker 1: understand him on the record. You know what's crazy. Migos

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Speaker 1: wasn't bad. However, Migos was late and Baby they opened

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Speaker 1: State Farm. Baby in the middle of the set because

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Speaker 1: Drake was willing to pay the late fees. Nigga in

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Speaker 1: the middle of they set, music cut off and they

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Speaker 1: literally had to usher them off the stage. Half of

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Speaker 1: their performance was cut cause niggas wanted to get on

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Speaker 1: stage late. Now don't know there was three of them.

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Speaker 1: Don't know which one was late. If I had to guess,

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing Offset. Because he gives Diva, you would guess Quevo.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't guess Offset.

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Speaker 1: Okay, maybe the only reason why I would guess Quovo

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Speaker 1: is now he's doing country music, which means he might

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Speaker 1: lean into more white instead. That motherfucker be all time

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Speaker 1: he's trying to leave more toys.

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Speaker 4: I feel like he was the group.

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Speaker 1: No, I think he looked the best, which is why

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Speaker 1: people listed him as the Beyonce. To me, the person

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Speaker 1: who sounded the best and rap the best was always.

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Speaker 4: Take off, Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Like and we are as a community agreed with that.

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Speaker 1: We just saw Quavo more because of his looks and

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Speaker 1: who he was dating.

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Speaker 4: No, who was he doing.

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Speaker 1: He dated Sweetie, he dated Caruci, he dated quite a

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Speaker 1: bit like the Instagram girlies.

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Speaker 3: And he had a fame to it too, Like you know,

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Speaker 3: he could ball, so he's playing in like the subby basket.

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Speaker 1: What we're not doing that, I'm saying the celebrity basketball.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't he the first? Wasn't he he was? Wasn't he

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Speaker 4: the m v P of the NBA celebrity.

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Speaker 1: We are not legitimately, we are not taking that game serious.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just saying that ads to fame.

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Speaker 4: I don't think visibility. I thought he just I thought

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Speaker 4: he had singles first. I'm not really I don't remember.

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Speaker 4: And this is like so fresh that I ain't looking

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Speaker 4: to it, but I think he had singles first. I

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Speaker 4: think he was the first one that went.

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Speaker 2: So that's why he did with Travis Scott.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he did.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no that I feel for any Kanye West fan.

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna hold you. I feel for any of y'all. Wait,

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Speaker 4: Because at this point, it's like I just said this

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Speaker 4: Hey, please please do it your Maybe maybe then I'll

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Speaker 1: Different, everything I'll say is how I feel too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I mean, if that happens, then okay.

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Speaker 1: And if you got a problem with it, now again,

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Because the Internet isn't real? Because if you if you

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Speaker 1: don't listen to him. He's not as good as MJ. Babe,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say it hot tape. Kendrick not doing

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Speaker 4: I don't think that. I think he would do it

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Speaker 1: They're back. We don't get We don't get niggas in

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Speaker 1: In world, she could sell out an arena. And I

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: We got tail us with beyond football stadium football stadi

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Speaker 1: we got bad Bunny. We got Bad Bunny, Beyonce Drake, Weekend,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, no openers, no co headliners, these these five people. Baby,

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Speaker 2: So what's up? So you also in New York though, too?

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Speaker 4: They be dropping a bag unless you're sitting with like

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Speaker 1: And listen, Hey, but I drink that ship I drank

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I haven't said with him yet, but like

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Speaker 4: I'm like, this is my favorite rapper coming up right,

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Speaker 4: Also, people like t I right, and and the one

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Speaker 4: But like I remember doing the Tia interview and my

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Speaker 4: no no Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: When I say it's not a real place, Jason. I've

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Speaker 1: when I tell you, the Atlanta rappers move around like

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Speaker 1: but eating at kabab Land, you running into him at

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Speaker 4: Doug Spot, oh cope being there every week. Gunna is

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Speaker 1: To be a city where you can't even really park

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Speaker 1: I will say, whatever, respect, whatever work they put in,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen rappers to the caliber of stardom that

430
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Speaker 1: they are operate in a city to where everyone in

431
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Speaker 1: the city actually feels like, oh yeah, I seen them.

432
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Speaker 1: They come in, they sit, they each eat they god

433
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: damn waffles and chicken right next to you, get up

434
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: and move like they're not They're not enamored by people

435
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: taking pictures because like the locals be like, oh yeah,

436
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: we see them all time.

437
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 4: But with that, that's why I say, like, nah, let's

438
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 4: not take this for granted. No, I'm doing an interview

439
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 4: with y'all, and people like, yeah, ive been to the studio.

440
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, let's not act like this. Yeah

441
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 4: tell yeah, like what are y'all talking about? So I

442
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 4: guess t y'all will be one of them? But yeah, really, meek,

443
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,719
Speaker 4: I've interviewed so many people, but just looking back on it, man,

444
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 4: it's just the blessing because where I come from, people

445
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 4: don't do what I'm doing, or they try to do it,

446
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So for me to have

447
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Speaker 4: the success and all my peers like, well not peers,

448
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 4: but people that's down here, like man, you should be

449
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 4: so so further than where you wear. I just feel

450
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Speaker 4: like you a star da da da da. And sometimes

451
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 4: I tell myself like man, wait, let's not get it

452
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Speaker 4: messed up, like if it not gonna will if it

453
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Speaker 4: stops today, nigga, Like I did a great job, broke

454
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Speaker 4: so many especially from my city. So like just I

455
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Speaker 4: guess the catalog in general, if I, if I, if

456
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Speaker 4: I had to like speak to it, to be honest,

457
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 4: who's the.

458
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Speaker 1: One person you you want to sit with besides me?

459
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Speaker 1: Because meet me DM okay and here go meet me

460
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Speaker 1: invited me to his show because I said niggas couldn't

461
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Speaker 1: name five of his records. Yeah you ain't like that,

462
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: take either, my bad, my bet, I ain't know you that.

463
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Speaker 4: I feel like sometimes we get we get biased by

464
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 4: like tom too because I might not can't name five

465
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Speaker 4: right off the hand on my hand, but I brought

466
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Speaker 4: I could rap ten or fifteen. That makes sense. Yeah,

467
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 4: but I mean damn might have forgot.

468
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

469
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Speaker 4: It ain't relevant right now. Decide of mind sometimes but anyway, mind,

470
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Speaker 4: I would love to interview so my once. I want

471
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Speaker 4: to interviews people I probably wouldn't agree with, like Kanye

472
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Speaker 4: West okay, and I do I am still a fan

473
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Speaker 4: of some sort of Donald Trump.

474
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Speaker 1: Oh okay.

475
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Speaker 4: I would want to interview somebody like r Kelly uh

476
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Speaker 4: and I mean probably jay Z.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's right to want a platform

478
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Speaker 1: those type of thing.

479
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Speaker 4: That's a great question, and I'm hearing. I'm still like

480
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Speaker 4: trying to deal with trying to get to the story,

481
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Speaker 4: into the bottom of something as like a journalist, I guess,

482
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Speaker 4: and also like giving them a giving somebody that's file

483
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Speaker 4: as R Kelly your platform as well.

484
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Speaker 1: So I'm still but give me the one question you

485
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Speaker 1: would want to I need to know. You just made

486
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Speaker 1: hold on, here we go. You just said if you

487
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Speaker 1: could sit with anybody on the podcast, it would be R. Kelly, Trump,

488
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Speaker 1: and Kanye. Those were the three names. I need to know.

489
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Speaker 1: What what is the number one question you would ask

490
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Speaker 1: each of them? Let's start with Let's start with Kanye.

491
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Speaker 1: What one question is going in there? Whether his team

492
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Speaker 1: says you can or.

493
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Speaker 4: Not, I don't know. I'm not going to you no, no,

494
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Speaker 4: not Come.

495
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Speaker 1: On, journalists, what is the question that you would want

496
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Speaker 1: to ask Kanye?

497
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Speaker 4: The conversations go, well, it might not, it might not

498
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Speaker 4: stand out right now, but it would be like what's

499
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Speaker 4: going on? Like what's up? Like what happens?

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Speaker 1: Asking a journalistic passion.

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Speaker 4: I can't answer right now.

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Speaker 3: But that's a lot of my interviews saying he's saying,

503
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Speaker 3: He's saying a series of questions will get him to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Jason, Exactly, you get to sit with Kanye West.

505
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Speaker 1: What is the number one question you want to ask

506
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Speaker 1: Kanye West?

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Speaker 2: Number one question I would ask Kanye West? M or

508
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: would I asked him? I don't know what was you asked?

509
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Speaker 3: No more?

510
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Speaker 2: Number one A question I would ask, kind of. I mean,

511
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Speaker 2: I guess, like, does he really believe the shit he

512
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Speaker 2: be saying? You know what I mean?

513
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: When you're when you're alone and you're by yourself and

514
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: you're talking to your dad, is this how you talk?

515
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Speaker 2: Hmmmm?

516
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Speaker 4: Let me say this though, right, So, I guess it's

517
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Speaker 4: different type of journalists, right, And I think the type

518
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Speaker 4: of journalism that I do, I'm gonna get, like Jason said,

519
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna get to a point where it answers this question.

520
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Speaker 4: I know me coming in saying, yo, bro, like you

521
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 4: said you you supported Trump? What's up with that? That

522
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Speaker 4: might not garner the attention or that might not garner

523
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Speaker 4: the answer that I want me coming in there, just

524
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Speaker 4: genuinely being curious, like bro, like we loved you. Bro.

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Speaker 1: My question for one, because I'm aware of not only

526
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Speaker 1: mental health disorders but narcissism. So I would genuinely want

527
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Speaker 1: to know if his mind around believing he could actually

528
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Speaker 1: run for president. I would want to know, like if

529
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Speaker 1: he actually thought you had a fighting chance and why

530
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Speaker 1: I would want him to explain why he thought he

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Speaker 1: would make a better president than anyone else. Tell me

532
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Speaker 1: the question you would ask R. Kelly.

533
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Speaker 4: I don't know, man, where did it go wrong?

534
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: Like?

535
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: Where did you like.

536
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: He would talk about his melitiation as a young age.

537
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: At a young age, he would turn.

538
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Speaker 4: And that's cool. So if that's true, we can't erase

539
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: what happened, right, what are some signs if you can?

540
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Speaker 4: Because I don't even know if he took ownership of

541
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Speaker 4: this right. So one I want him to take ownership

542
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Speaker 4: of what he did.

543
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Speaker 2: Right.

544
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Speaker 4: And if we can teach anybody in the world who

545
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Speaker 4: might go through something and see the what are the

546
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Speaker 4: telltale signs that they're going down this road? Because it

547
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 4: might not. Your situation is done. How can we help

548
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 4: someone else? Because the molestation ain't gonna stop. And I'm

549
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 4: not I'm not promoting it or nothing like that. We

550
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 4: just know that the way of our world, it's not

551
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 4: going to stop. So how can what do the telltale

552
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Speaker 4: signs to prevent somebody else from going down the same

553
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Speaker 4: route of being a being a pedophile.

554
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Speaker 1: Yes, what would be your question? R Kelly, Journalist Jason.

555
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Speaker 2: Jason R Kelly, I guess I would have asked R. Kelly.

556
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: Uh, I guess I would ask him when it went

557
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 3: from playing on young girls to then like the violence

558
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: against older women, Like you know, I mean, like what

559
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 3: changed for you.

560
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: Once you don't care about girls or women? That's it's

561
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: once you're an abuser in one fashion. It's it's literally

562
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: the pipeline to become abuser in another way, Like that's

563
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: not surprising at all, Like not surprising at all?

564
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 2: The fuck.

565
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: Here I go. I want him to admit he's mad

566
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: that nobody else got charged with his car. So I

567
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: would be like, now we know you had help because

568
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: you can't read or write. So how mad are you

569
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: that the people that were booking the flights and bringing

570
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: the girls and the entourages that you had, How mad

571
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: are you that none of them niggas went down with you?

572
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: And have you felt that? But but that's what I'm saying.

573
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: We saw Polo to Don's mama up in there talking

574
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: like pretty much, and maybe she had the clemency to

575
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: do that to where she wasn't going to get charged.

576
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: But like, I would want to know you sat behind bars,

577
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: singing us through the singing to us through the phone,

578
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: doing all that shit in there. You know, are you?

579
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: Do you feel a way that the people that were

580
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: a part of these crimes with you did not get charged?

581
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: And who are they? I need you to name them?

582
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: I would ask that, And then okay, only because we're

583
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: doing this and y'all should have been known it's coming.

584
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: What's the one question you asking Trump?

585
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 4: Again? My questions are really centered around the understanding of

586
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: the person.

587
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: So what what what question would you ask to understand

588
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: anything about Trump?

589
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 4: I would want to know what is your overall goal?

590
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 4: Like what is the purpose of all of this?

591
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 5: Right?

592
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: Like we see you to become Fidel Castro? Like the

593
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: overall goals? He's a dictator. He he is obsessed with power,

594
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: with money, and in short, he's kind of told us

595
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: that with his behavior.

596
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Speaker 4: I want to know from his mother because we might

597
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 4: misreading him. He might feel like he's misunderstood, So like

598
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 4: what is the purpose? Like what what are you trying

599
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: to get at?

600
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: Misunderstood? No, I don't know Trump is just miss.

601
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: No, I don't agree with him, but I know like

602
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: sometimes it be the craziest people be the most talented.

603
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 4: Like that's how we get Einstein, you know what I'm saying,

604
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 4: Like that's not that's again the same The Kanye West

605
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 4: that we get today is the same one that we

606
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 4: got when he got on the stage and said Beyonce

607
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 4: to one. It's literally the same person. It's the line.

608
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: Between Bobby then you got to be Bobby now exactly.

609
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: So like I really want to understand so we can

610
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 4: paint a picture to be cause there's so many people

611
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 4: that look up to these people, So I want to

612
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 4: get a picture to understand what is the purpose so

613
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: we can know where we can what we can identify

614
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: it before we get there, even myself, because I look

615
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 4: like I'm somebody that want to be great and that

616
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 4: stripe for greatness. But it's like what's the thin line

617
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: between greatness and just going too far? Right?

618
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: So we're seeing it.

619
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 4: But you identify what exactly what it was for Kanye

620
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: was because we all think it was his mother, his mother, but.

621
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Speaker 1: That yeah, we don't know, we don't know.

622
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 4: That's why that's that's really the question.

623
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: But a Trump Jason where we get into our double

624
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: down and take it back? What you I don't know.

625
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: I guess I'll ask him about he you know, his

626
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: like Trump's father was wealthy and Trump robbed his father.

627
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: Like his father like gave him bread, Trump like mismanaged it.

628
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: Then he ended up robbing his dad. So I probably

629
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: asked him something about like robbing his dad and trying

630
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: to get into that comes like a movie that's kind

631
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: of like his first crime.

632
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Speaker 1: Wow.

633
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 3: I so to Jay's point, like to kind of get

634
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Speaker 3: an understanding of how he thinks.

635
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: So in understanding how he thinks, my question to Trump

636
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: would be what the conversations are with his goddamn wife

637
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: who was born in Slovenia, Okay, and then later moved

638
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: to the US in ninety six and became a naturalized

639
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: citizen in two thousand and six. So while he out

640
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: here deporting all the people that aren't natural citizens of

641
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: the goddamn Us of a, what do the conversations look

642
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: like with your wife, my nigga? Like we know you

643
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: walking around with her clone from time to time because

644
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: she don't like all the all the hoopla. But how

645
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: do you fix your face? Your mouth? Your mind to

646
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: want to rid yourself or rid the country of unborn citizens,

647
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Speaker 1: naturalized citizens in the US of a while you're married

648
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Speaker 1: to one, and then you have the nerve to be like,

649
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just send them motherfuckers to whatever cost, don't

650
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Speaker 1: even matter if it's the country they're from. Like you

651
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: laying up with a woman that's not from here, and

652
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Speaker 1: your mind's still going there to do such a thing.

653
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Speaker 1: I need to know what them conversations, what Evanka look like?

654
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Speaker 4: That great question? What okay?

655
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like it don't make sense, And that's always Milania

656
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Speaker 1: Avanca is the daughter? No Avanca the daughter.

657
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Speaker 2: Was one of his wifs.

658
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Speaker 1: No Milennia Trump is the is the is the wife?

659
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Speaker 3: Evanka's mother is uh? The one that sounds like this

660
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Speaker 3: is the thing too?

661
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Speaker 1: You got you got audise people to get these These

662
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Speaker 1: people within your fan family don't even have American names,

663
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Speaker 1: and that sound probably ignorant. Fuck goddamn American name. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you that where they from Russia or something?

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Speaker 2: Wh from?

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Speaker 1: Where where they from? Evanka Trump from?

667
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Speaker 2: Hana Trump Czechoslovakia?

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Speaker 1: Bruh, See what I mean? Now, Ivanka was born here,

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Speaker 1: but Haama was It was born bruh. You even like

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Speaker 1: foreign bitches Trump make it make sense. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you can. I don't think you can. Anyways, we're gonna

672
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Speaker 1: go ahead before we get into all of the current

673
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Speaker 1: events that have had y'all's blood boiling on the Twitter streets,

674
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Speaker 1: Instagram streets, TikTok streets, and Facebook, we're gonna do our

675
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Speaker 1: segment called double down or take it Back. And we

676
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Speaker 1: pulled a clip from the j Hill podcast. This is you.

677
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Speaker 1: We have Jay. You're gonna play it right, not all

678
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Speaker 1: the Jays. Jesus, guys, I need, I need all your

679
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Speaker 1: mother is to come up with another letter.

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Speaker 4: Let's get it. When you say real consequences, like like

681
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Speaker 4: a nigga put his hands on a woman, he need

682
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Speaker 4: to get his ass with. A nigga sexually assault a woman,

683
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Speaker 4: need to get beat the fuck up.

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Speaker 2: Little things like that.

685
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Speaker 4: When I say consequences like, you need to understand that

686
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Speaker 4: if I talk sideways to a nigga, I can get

687
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Speaker 4: hit in my mouth. If I speak one thing and

688
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: I don't stand on my word, I can lose something

689
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Speaker 4: from it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

691
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Speaker 4: If I expect somebody, I can get hurt by it.

692
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Speaker 4: If I put my hands on somebody, it's a possibility

693
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Speaker 4: I can end up in the hospital. That's what it works. Yeah,

694
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Speaker 4: that's what I mean by consequences. Like growing up, Bro,

695
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Speaker 4: I was faced with those consequences every single day. And

696
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Speaker 4: I talk about this a lot like, Bro, you ain't

697
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Speaker 4: gotta be a hood nigga to have to understand the

698
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Speaker 4: rules and regulations of the hood. He ain't sell drugs,

699
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Speaker 4: I ain't. I wasn't no gang banger, but Baltimore was

700
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Speaker 4: still Baltimore. So it's certain guidelines I had to follow

701
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Speaker 4: behind or I was gonna have to follow the consequences

702
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Speaker 4: or had the abide by the consequences that come from

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Speaker 4: my actions. I'm trying to say, so, yeah, if I'm

704
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Speaker 4: in if I'm in the streets, I might not be

705
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Speaker 4: no no, no, no gang banger. But I gotta follow

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Speaker 4: the rules because if I don't follow the rules, the

707
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Speaker 4: game bank is don't give if I bang blood or not.

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Speaker 1: You get what I'll say, Okay, you stand by that. Now.

709
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Speaker 1: Why I ask you why I picked this particular clip

710
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Speaker 1: out is because the consequences and to the severity of

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Speaker 1: the consequences that you went to was hospital? Is there

712
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: any crime? So you believe that there are certain actions

713
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Speaker 1: that are justified by the consequence of death. And this

714
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Speaker 1: is why I like, and we're going to get into

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Speaker 1: the domestic violence portion of what's been being talked about

716
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Speaker 1: over the last two three weeks now. But when I

717
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Speaker 1: saw this clip, I was like, okay, because this is

718
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Speaker 1: the debate right now online in terms of what consequences

719
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Speaker 1: are justified when you're not going through the justice system.

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Speaker 1: How should we do what is it called kind of vigilant?

721
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Speaker 1: How should we show up as vigilantes essentially and and

722
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Speaker 1: administer those consequences to people who who do fucked up shit?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Unfortunately, I do think that people learning extremes, right,

724
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Speaker 4: So my, my, my, uh, my examples be extreme a lot,

725
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Speaker 4: but because that's what you understand, and that's what you

726
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Speaker 4: were learning, because a lot of times people people don't

727
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 4: They don't understand that actions until it's something that changes

728
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Speaker 4: that life, right, because you could continue to do things

729
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: over and over again, make the same mistake until it's

730
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Speaker 4: something that jeopardizes your life, and your life is online.

731
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Speaker 4: I don't so I don't agree with I don't agree

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Speaker 4: with that, but I can I just acknowledge that that's

733
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Speaker 4: where we are in our life and we've been there, right,

734
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: So when I think about the things that's happening, it's like,

735
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Speaker 4: it's not gonna take. It's gonna take for somebody to

736
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Speaker 4: lose their life for you to really understand, right, But are.

737
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Speaker 1: There actions that justifies someone losing their life?

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Speaker 4: So no, I'm not gonna say it justifies it. I

739
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: can't say it justifies it. But I know we learned

740
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Speaker 4: from it, so it's it's a slippery slope.

741
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Speaker 1: Well, I ask you that because we had Montgomery here,

742
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Speaker 1: and I believe in the death penalty for crimes against

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Speaker 1: children and even like serial rapists, siracular, if you take

744
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Speaker 1: a life, I don't. I'm not mad with your life

745
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Speaker 1: being taken, right, So I don't.

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Speaker 4: Agree with that. You don't agree with I'm with you, right,

747
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Speaker 4: But I don't agree with it because I think it's easy.

748
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Speaker 2: It's too easy.

749
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Speaker 4: It's too easy. You just yeah, you take somebody's life

750
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Speaker 4: so you can die. You don't have to live with it.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not gonna lie. Some people though, getting they

752
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Speaker 1: ass whooped it, don't teach them to stop doing the

753
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Speaker 1: go and get.

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Speaker 4: Your asshoop every day for life. Don't get killed, Okay,

755
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Speaker 4: suffer if you killed a kid. If you I'm not

756
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Speaker 4: a kid.

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Speaker 1: Jail don't look as much suffering as it needs to be.

758
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Speaker 1: Niggas in there with cell phones. I watch porn. These

759
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: niggas doing porn and dropping it. They're making money on

760
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Speaker 1: the only fans while in jail, like jail right there,

761
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: niggas got halbachi in jail. Jail don't even look like

762
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: it's And of course I've never been there, so sorry.

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Speaker 1: Someone's like, no, jail real hard. But to me, there's

764
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Speaker 1: not enough suffer bring in jail for me to feel

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Speaker 1: like if you've done a big enough crime that jail

766
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Speaker 1: is a good enough consequence for certain people.

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Speaker 4: I've never like been upstairs and got a sign to

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Speaker 4: a room, but I was arrested a few times, right,

769
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Speaker 4: so when I'm not a few times I think no,

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Speaker 4: when I think about what you just said, right right,

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Speaker 4: you see people watching TV, watching movie, But I don't

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Speaker 4: think I think they are nominalies. I don't think that's

773
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Speaker 4: the overarching theme of like when people go to jail.

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Speaker 4: People go to jail, they lose their mind. People go

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Speaker 4: to jail, they uh uncomfortable predicaments, Like people go to

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Speaker 4: jail and they're really in bad situations. I think that's

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Speaker 4: the majority what we see. Of course we see it

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Speaker 4: from now and again, but I don't think that's the

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Speaker 4: entire entirety of what people experience.

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Speaker 1: It, Right, But what even you saying that as I'm

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Speaker 1: listening to you say, people lose their minds here, people

782
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Speaker 1: do this here? Do you know where I see that

783
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: happening outside of jail too?

784
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: Sure?

785
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Speaker 1: So like niggas like, which is why so many people

786
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: are habitual offenders, right. They constantly go back because there's

787
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Speaker 1: a better life for them in jail than there is

788
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Speaker 1: in the real life, where you have to get a job,

789
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Speaker 1: you gotta work, you gotta pay your bills on time,

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Speaker 1: you have to show up as a citizen with actual

791
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Speaker 1: responsibility in the jail, nigga, your food coming, you got

792
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Speaker 1: bed to sleep in, you gotta roof over your head.

793
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Speaker 1: And so when I say there's certain crimes where that's

794
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Speaker 1: not enough suffering, that's not enough consequence. It's why my

795
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: question to you is when you when I when I

796
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Speaker 1: listen to this clip, you literally stopped at hospital. But

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Speaker 1: I also see it's because you don't believe in the

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Speaker 1: death penalty. You don't believe a life for a life.

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Speaker 4: It's no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that, like

800
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Speaker 4: because I just think it should be worse, and I might.

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Speaker 1: What is worse than not being here anymore?

802
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Speaker 3: But he thinks suffering, the suffering they're living with it, yes, suffering, Like.

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Speaker 1: These niggas don't be they don't be sad or guilty.

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Speaker 4: There's so many people.

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Speaker 1: There's some people that do. But I take so fine.

806
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: Kill the niggas that ain't got any empathy, Kill the lack.

807
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: Kill the lack of empathy as motherfuckers out here, because

808
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: there are people that will take a life and.

809
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 4: Be like, Okay, yeah, I did it, yeah and again.

810
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Speaker 4: And it's not the fact about taking a life, it's

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Speaker 4: just that again you ask me the questions that I

812
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: asking people. It's to learn it to teach people, like

813
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 4: because if you keep sending people to jail and kids

814
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Speaker 4: see that, it's like you just said, it's TV's in jails.

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Speaker 4: People are they working in jail, they having their way

816
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Speaker 4: in jail. So it's like, what are the consequences of

817
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: taking somebody life? There is none, it seems like, And honestly,

818
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 4: like and I'm gonna be I'm gonna be real with it,

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00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 4: and people might educated whatever. I think that's the consequence, Like,

820
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 4: that's the price of freedom. Think about it, like, what's the.

821
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Speaker 1: Price of freedom?

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Speaker 4: Everything? Like you murdering somebody, like doing whatever you want.

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Speaker 4: Because we free, we can do whatever we want and

824
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Speaker 4: people and people take advantage of that in a negative

825
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Speaker 4: way and I hate that. So it's like, yo, we

826
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Speaker 4: have to learn. How can we learn? The only way

827
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Speaker 4: you can learn is that the highest extreme. So again, no,

828
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Speaker 4: I'm not pro people losing their lives, but if that's

829
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Speaker 4: what it takes for our world to be a better

830
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Speaker 4: place twenty years from now, that's what we gotta do,

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Speaker 4: and I'm willing. I'm willing to do that. It is

832
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Speaker 4: what it is. Like we had a conversation and uh no,

833
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Speaker 4: it's not.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, You're like, well, I he did want to

835
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Speaker 1: lean into with this conversation what the timeline has really

836
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Speaker 1: been talking about. There are two current domestic violence situations

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Speaker 1: that had people in a tizzy, one including kirk Frost

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Speaker 1: and Rashida's family, where Kirkfrost's daughter was dating a rapper

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Speaker 1: by the name of Tee Hood who was recently shot

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Speaker 1: by allegedly At this point, he has been taken Another suspect,

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Speaker 1: the daughter's brother, who allegedly was called to protect her

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Speaker 1: as she was experiencing a relationship with domestic violence. Her

843
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Speaker 1: best friend has come forward, willing to risk her friendship

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Speaker 1: with Kirkfrost's daughter, sharing videos of him beating on her. Now,

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Speaker 1: this didn't happen, I guess the week of his killing,

846
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Speaker 1: but this was to show that there was a long

847
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Speaker 1: standing relationship in terms of him beating her. She also

848
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Speaker 1: leaked text messages between her friend, the girl who was

849
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: dating Tea Hood, and Tea Hood's mother where she was like, Yo,

850
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Speaker 1: he's laying his hands on me again. Come get his things.

851
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: And it was multiple threads where she was expressing that

852
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Speaker 1: he was laying hands on her. What I see in

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Speaker 1: the comments are people like rest in hell. He's where

854
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: he needs to be. It was bound for him to

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Speaker 1: end up on a shirt. There's also another woman that

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Speaker 1: he was allegedly involved with romantically, by the name of Vanessa,

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Speaker 1: who also was getting her ass beat by this man.

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Speaker 1: And so we've had this conversation here on selective ignorance.

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Speaker 1: Before I actually might have doubled down on a take

860
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: I had earlier, but it was interesting because now her

861
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: brother is being arrested for murder, She's lost her boyfriend,

862
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate because the other part of this is

863
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: people saying, well, she kept going back, and so in

864
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: terms of this, before we get to Shakari Richardson as well,

865
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: before we leave here, I would like to know your

866
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: thoughts on stepping in here, if men should maybe not,

867
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: if we as a society are okay with other people

868
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: saying he deserved to die because he was beating a woman.

869
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: I just think there's so many ways that the public

870
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: currently is outraged, right because his family is specifically saying, well,

871
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: he wasn't beating her ass this night, where's the video

872
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: of that, which is also sick. The family is like

873
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: these videos he had on a bubble best, which means

874
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: it was cold outside. Show us the video of him

875
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: laying his hands on her the night he got shot

876
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: and killed. Then there's also the conversation of overkill. He

877
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: was shot seven times, five in the back. So there's

878
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: just so many different conversations about this particular thing. I

879
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: just want to know your thoughts overall on what we're

880
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: seeing the outrage be with this particular case.

881
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: So I can't really speak to this case. I haven't

882
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 4: really seen too much about it. I've seen the dude past,

883
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: but when it comes to like domestic violence, I came

884
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: up in a space or from a neighborhood where you

885
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 4: mind your business, right, But at the same time, I'm

886
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: a person, right right, I'm a man, so like I

887
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 4: also in that same place, we was taught to protect

888
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 4: children and women. So it's like at anytime that you

889
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 4: see something like that, you know, just from my perspective,

890
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 4: it's like, yo, like you protect the woman that's a hand. However,

891
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: I I'm not mad at the people who don't, because

892
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 4: we just seen somebody in DC got killed for trying

893
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 4: to step in. Yeah, just happened, right, So it's like

894
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 4: for anybody that doesn't do that, I understand why they

895
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 4: wouldn't or why they would be scared to Uh, It's

896
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 4: just I don't know if I could do that, I

897
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,720
Speaker 4: would just have to pray that my life would be spared,

898
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 4: if that makes sense.

899
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: I know you, but you would step in, you.

900
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 4: Know, off top, I say, yeah, But I hate hypothetical

901
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 4: questions because everybody said your best friend to say I

902
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 4: take bullet for you until a gun is pulled out.

903
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Whatever they're going right in

904
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: front of me.

905
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 4: Every I under saying. People always say. People always say

906
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 4: what they would do in the situation, then the situation happened,

907
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 4: and then they don't do nothing right. So I'm trying

908
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: to be careful with the hypotheticals, right, I don't like,

909
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't know.

910
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be honest for me with this. Because

911
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: Tea Hood is a local rapper of Atlanta. A lot

912
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: of my friends were mourning his death, and clearly the

913
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: day it happened, I reached out to each person I

914
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: saw that was that was mourning him because I hate

915
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: my friends that have to keep dealing with grief. Right,

916
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: that's never good. And a part of me is mad

917
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: that I can't take it back, because I'm not mad

918
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: that he died now, Like it's not like he died

919
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: protecting the country, not that we need to protect this

920
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: motherfucker anyway. He didn't die running into a burning building,

921
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: save in somebody like to know, he was beating some

922
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: bitches ass Like to me again, I believe, like, if

923
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna cause that type of harm while you're here,

924
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: on this earth, baby, you don't deserve to be here.

925
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot more people. And this is why karma

926
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: is one of them tricky ass things. I'll be like,

927
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: when someone really good dies, I literally be like, do

928
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: you know how many other motherfuckers don't need to be here? Like?

929
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: And that'd be My question is sometimes to even God

930
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: in the universe and how the shit work? He's one

931
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: of them niggas can't deserve to be here. He was

932
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: out here beating, to our knowledge, at least two women's asses.

933
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 4: In that case, well, first he had to go first

934
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 4: of all, shout out to you for being mandy beat

935
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, you know what I'm saying.

936
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 4: I couldn't hit you early, like yo, what's up? But anyway,

937
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 4: y'all shout out to you all. I love that. But

938
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: not in that case. I don't believe that, like somebody

939
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: in that situation should die, right. I do believe they

940
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 4: should get ass for sure, maybe consecutively for ninety days,

941
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty. I do believe that. I'm not

942
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: gonna lie to you. I don't think they should die

943
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, that could be

944
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 4: a sickness. It could be an illness that he needs

945
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 4: to learn from it and can get better from him.

946
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: When it's probably not. He probably got his ass beat

947
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: by a few niggas, which is why you know he

948
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: can't beat no motherfuckers, so he got to beat on

949
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: bitches like there was just a video. There was a

950
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: TikTok and it shows the type of guy that beats

951
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: on women. And he literally is walking past a girl

952
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: in the train station and he go like this, walk

953
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: past niggas and jump jump scared. So to me, I'm

954
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: just not a fan of any man that feel the

955
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: need to lay his hands on What I.

956
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 4: Will say is hopefully her brother, if this is true, right,

957
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: hopefully her brother can get out on self defense or

958
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 4: whatever the case may be. And I do I am

959
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: pro like family sticking up for I don't.

960
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: Know if it's self defense if he was beating up,

961
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: but not only that he was clearly walking away and

962
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: he was if he wasn't.

963
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: If you didn't him to the room while it was happening.

964
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

965
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: But not only that, I don't think it's self defense

966
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: if you're defending somebody else that ain't self that's the

967
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's a little tricky.

968
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 4: Justices to making. I don't give him some linency hopefully.

969
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you this flipping the script real quick,

970
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: and we used to flip the script over here. So

971
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: we're taking the table, we're shaking the table a little bit. Now,

972
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: we're not talking about death here. However, Shaikari Richardson was

973
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: recently arresting. I don't even like this that this says

974
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: allegedly nigga, there's video, there's even allegedly in here. Come on, journalists.

975
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: Jason updates as.

976
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: Shakari was arrested for assaulting her boyfriend at the Seattle

977
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: Tacoma International Airport, where she shoved him and was verbally abusive.

978
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: He declined to press charges, and at the time he

979
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: also said that he did not want to participate in

980
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: any further investigation. She recently apologized, made a whole Diddy

981
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: video says she gonna get the help she need and

982
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: he forgave her cases cleared. Here we are now. She

983
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: went to jail, but he didn't press charges. This is

984
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: a case I ain't gonna hold you, and not that

985
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: I want to see anyone black in jail because I don't.

986
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: But but but, and this is gonna be a real

987
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: hot take. Bear with me here. The same way we

988
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: talk about Meg the Stallion not wanting to pursue charges,

989
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: and I know, yes there was a weapon involved, but

990
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: it's still abuse. The way that megde Stallion did not

991
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: want to pursue charges on Tory Lane but the state

992
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: stepped in is the same way for me. We have

993
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: to have the same reaction to women who want to

994
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: publicly lay their hands on men, because had that motherfucker

995
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: reacted in the airport, guess who would have been his

996
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: ass in jail probably and she would have been free.

997
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: I think also, it's disgusting and I don't know if

998
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: you want to I don't know what clip you inserted here.

999
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: I want to say, it is disgusting. You male podcasters,

1000
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: you women podcasters, you big platform to ass motherfucking podcasters

1001
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: for applauding him for having the restraint in this case.

1002
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that it is great, nor is it healthy,

1003
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: nor is it the messaging we need to be putting

1004
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: out that he should applaud men who take abuse and

1005
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: don't react. Because let's be very clear, it came out

1006
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: in both sides that that's what happened with Chris Brown.

1007
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: Rihanna came out and said she was whooping his ass first.

1008
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: And I just really hate, and I've talked about this

1009
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: even with my friends. I really hate that there is

1010
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: just like this leniency of well, huh, he could take it.

1011
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: Men should not be punching bags for women, and it

1012
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't be applauded that a man doesn't react. Here's my

1013
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: hetake not ladies, if you hit a nigga, he should

1014
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: be able to hit your ass the fuck back, and nobody.

1015
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: It cancels each other out. It cancels each other out.

1016
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: Nobody should even at this point go to jail or

1017
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: you both go to jail for battery.

1018
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 4: So when we're talking about this, this is not a

1019
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 4: just chance that's taking. So let's let's break it down

1020
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: right at the end of the day. I don't know

1021
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 4: how y'all think, but at the end of the day,

1022
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 4: we talking about people, and I think the overarching goal

1023
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 4: should be for people to be better. So, yeah, it

1024
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 4: shouldn't be promoted to take violence from a woman. No,

1025
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 4: it shouldn't be promoted to take violence, but it should

1026
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: be applauded for you to have restraint. No, I do

1027
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 4: think that shit like you should, because restraint is saying

1028
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 4: that even when we're talking about grace, right, I'm when

1029
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 4: we talk about grace, right, we're talking about not doing

1030
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 4: something even when when you have, even when you can,

1031
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: even when the decision to do is understood and it's okay, right,

1032
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: Grace is not doing it in that in that moment, right,

1033
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 4: So I think it should be applauded for a person

1034
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 4: to not I think Martin Luther King's that the right hate.

1035
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 4: Hate can't drive out hate. Only love can do that, right,

1036
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 4: and that's the only way we're going to get to

1037
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 4: a place of being better individuals. So when you see

1038
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: a person not retaliating in the moment where he can

1039
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: and he's justified, I think that should be applauded and

1040
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 4: more people should be like that. Now, it shouldn't be promoted,

1041
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 4: I think being promoted.

1042
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: And well, if you're applauding on a public platform, you're

1043
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: promoting this action to take place for men. Hear me

1044
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: out too, as I'm listening to you. When I think

1045
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: of how we could be better as a community, specifically

1046
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: for how we can create safer spaces for men, right,

1047
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: you saying it should be applauded that a man has

1048
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: restraint for getting beat on by a woman. Reminds me

1049
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: of why there's so many men that don't come out

1050
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: about their sexual assault.

1051
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: That framing is also restraint for not hitting.

1052
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: No, But that's what I'm saying. So then do you

1053
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: know where I go with that? When a man or

1054
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: a boy gets molested, he's applauded for entering manhood, he's

1055
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,959
Speaker 1: applauded for having sex with a woman. Whether it's true

1056
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of men, no, And it's not good.

1057
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying. It's not good that we

1058
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: are applauding the restraint of a man at the abuse

1059
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 1: of women. Women should not be laying their hands on men,

1060
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: and men should not be applauded for not reacting. No,

1061
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: humans should be getting beat on by their lover, by

1062
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: a spouse, by like at all, and so for me

1063
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: and so for me the same way, it's bad that

1064
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: we don't create that space for boys to share their

1065
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: sexual experiences when they're unhealthy. To me, it's the same

1066
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: thing we're putting y'all in a prison to be abused,

1067
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: because now we're applauding that ooh, thank you for not

1068
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: hitting the bitch back to me. It's it's what I.

1069
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 3: Don't think those I don't think those are apples that happen. Yeah,

1070
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 3: because the thing is like, because you can hear Jay

1071
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 3: saying it, like he agrees with the first part of it,

1072
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: like nobody should be getting hit, but then like the

1073
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: justifiable like when you know the bitch should get hit

1074
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 3: back and you know it should just be like.

1075
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: She won't, but she won't hit it ass again. Like

1076
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: that's the other part too, Like you have women that

1077
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: genuinely and and maybe this is the masculine realm were

1078
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: in currently, you have women that genuinely think they could

1079
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: whoop a man's ass. And and this is why, it's

1080
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: why I don't believe transmits should be in women's sports

1081
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: and vice versa. Bro, No you can't.

1082
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: I'm just laughing at the bridge you cross.

1083
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: Genetically, men are stronger, men are built differently biologically.

1084
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 4: So I don't want to be I don't want to

1085
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 4: be a contradiction. Right, So this is similar to my

1086
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 4: first take. Do I believe that if more women got

1087
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 4: that ass whoop, it will happen less? Yeah, So it's

1088
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 4: like if yeah, like you gotta learn more.

1089
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: Women got their ass beat retaliate retaliation.

1090
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: They could learn. So it's again that's like I don't

1091
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 4: believe that people should die. Like so me knowing better,

1092
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: I don't believe that people should die. But it's still

1093
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: that little ignorant boy in me that come from the hood, like, well,

1094
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 4: maybe niggas this would it take for people to learn? Yes,

1095
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 4: I'm with that. So it's the same thing, but I'm

1096
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 4: not like again, but me trying to better my mentality

1097
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 4: or have the world be a better place. I do

1098
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 4: think that we should applaud the restraint because again, the

1099
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 4: restraint in one and that's how I look at it,

1100
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: Like sometimes the way you do one thing is the

1101
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 4: way you do everything. And the same restraint that you

1102
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 4: take from not hitting no woman back is the same

1103
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 4: restrict that I'll take as a man. If you out

1104
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: in the street and somebody cuts you out, you walk away.

1105
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 4: Like we're talking about emotional intelligence here. I know a

1106
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 4: lot of times, a lot of times we from the hood, right,

1107
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 4: I'm from the projects. A lot of men like me

1108
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 4: lose our lives because we don't have we're not emotionally intelligent.

1109
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 4: More emotionally mature enough to just walk away and ignore something.

1110
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 4: So the fact that this man can have this happen,

1111
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 4: I don't think it should be happening to him.

1112
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: I want us to treat humans like humans, and I don't.

1113
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: I would never applaud a woman for staying in a

1114
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: domestic viol no, but this is what I'm saying. The restraint,

1115
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: the fact that he didn't press charges, the fact that

1116
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: he didn't fight back as a man a lot, but

1117
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 1: women aren't applauded for not fighting back for staying. It's like, bitch,

1118
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: while you're still there. Men he's being applauded for the restraints,

1119
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: don't care that he be saying because it's Chicago riches.

1120
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 4: Let's break it down though. So I was in a

1121
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 4: long term releaship, right, and one thing I heard in

1122
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 4: therapy money woman is I feel like the man in

1123
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 4: this is analogy, I feel like the man step on

1124
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 4: my foot, but then there's an upset when I yell. Right.

1125
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 4: So in that situation, right hypothetical, let's say a really

1126
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 4: bad like your man cheats on you, some women think

1127
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: that he deserves to get his ass smacked or whatever.

1128
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 4: They understand that I'm applauding the woman who has restraint

1129
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 4: enough to be cheated on, to walk away, to be disrespected,

1130
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 4: quote unquote, not retaliate. I applaud that restraint. Do I

1131
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 4: think she should be in that situation?

1132
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 3: No?

1133
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 4: Do I think that's an unfair situation to be in. Yes,

1134
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: but I applaud you to have the restraint enough to

1135
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 4: not retaliate in a negative way.

1136
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: That's okay. I get where you're going, and I agree

1137
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I do agree cool

1138
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,479
Speaker 1: having restraint and not fighting back. All right, you can't fight,

1139
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, even with evil. We quoted MLKA, I don't know.

1140
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: I was on the side of I was on the

1141
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: side of Nigga, you know what I mean. So whatever

1142
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: little kumbaya shit you just said, heard you? I just

1143
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: I do believe like you should leave a situation without retaliation. Sure,

1144
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: but when you day to applaud someone for not only

1145
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: not retaliating, but saying in in an abusive situation, I'm

1146
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: not here for now. I do want to lighten this

1147
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: up just a little bit. We got two more topics

1148
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit where I don't think we're gonna hit. No,

1149
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: I didn't mention Michael Porter. We're good on that well hit.

1150
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: Let's uh, you know what, Let's let's get back to

1151
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: some music. Let's get back to some musick. We have

1152
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: a clip of a recent little yachtie record that has

1153
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: the people upset. I also do love by the way

1154
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: we all playing it to. Stephen Jackson has responded from

1155
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: all the smoke, shout out to my Black Effect fam.

1156
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you saw it. Jason his

1157
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: his nephew or cousin also recently dropped a response that

1158
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: I have in my phone as well. So basically, let's

1159
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: start with playing the lyrics from the song. If you

1160
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: can play that for us, Jason.

1161
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: All right, So it's a little yachty record verse on

1162
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 3: a black Boy Max record.

1163
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 2: I want she don't rate.

1164
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: It started at the top, get it from the top,

1165
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: get it from the top. Let's get it from the top.

1166
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:21,479
Speaker 1: I want.

1167
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 5: She don't wait?

1168
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 2: All right, so the put my nap on her neck.

1169
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 3: I want George Floyd all right?

1170
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: Now, can we hear Steven Jackson's response to that? And

1171
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up because before we start responding, let's

1172
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: see the people who are actually close to and related

1173
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: to George Floyd what they have to say if you

1174
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: while you pull that up, Jason, I'm gonna read the

1175
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: clip from the cousin and I think I might have

1176
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: sent it to you. Jay. Yes, so George Floyd's and

1177
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: this comes from another Black Effect fan, Laura Le Rosa

1178
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: said Terrence Floyd, who is the brother of George Floyd.

1179
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: This is his full statement. I believe it's inconsiderate. Sometimes

1180
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: this generation doesn't pay attention to what they say. They

1181
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: just say what they want to make a song and

1182
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: just get on the charts and really feel like the

1183
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: people listening will accept it because of who he is.

1184
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: It's really inconsiderate. You should think about what you're writing.

1185
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: It may make sense to you, but think about the

1186
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: impact to us. People are sending the clip to me.

1187
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: I want the line changed. Let my brother rest in peace.

1188
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: It disturbs the family's piece. There has to be a

1189
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: better message behind any message of George Floyd's name so

1190
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: his legacy can live on beyond what Chauvin did to him.

1191
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 1: And what did Stephen Jackson have to say?

1192
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: Here was Stephen Jackson.

1193
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 5: Clip should be doing? Man, I'm making changes in my life.

1194
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 5: I'm doing the right thing. I'm winning. I'm just trying

1195
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 5: to pay attention to you this man, but like it's

1196
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 5: just hard bro, like li yati bro you've been with.

1197
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 5: But you think you saying George Floyd name and trying

1198
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 5: to use his name in the bar, that's gonna maybe

1199
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 5: for like your whack ass musicame that ship? We y'all

1200
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 5: the only era that that feel like the meaning the

1201
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 5: dead and saying that ship is cool?

1202
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 4: It ain't be sure.

1203
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: To like all right, who wants to start off with

1204
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: their talk? I have my takes and by the way,

1205
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: y'all may y'all listening. I don't know if y'all gonna

1206
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: hate it. I don't know what page we on because

1207
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: we didn't see where we fell on this. I have

1208
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: a hot take on it because this is the personification

1209
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: of selective outrage.

1210
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 4: Yep. I was just that's funny as to say that,

1211
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 4: look what I'm like, I'm looking for like other inappropriate

1212
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 4: red lines.

1213
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: I looked it up. So speaking of let's start with

1214
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: your man meek Mill, because he was the most recent

1215
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: let's start with meek Mill. Now, it was interesting that

1216
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson leaned into like, it's y'all era that are

1217
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: doing this well. Meek Mill actually in a record that

1218
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: was released I want to say, within the last year,

1219
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: it was called Don't Worry and in the track Meek

1220
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: Mill raps. Yeah, and if I ever lack, I'm going

1221
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: out with my chopper. It's another what the fuck? Oh look.

1222
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 3: Jay?

1223
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: Now, now I get his family and things being being sad, right,

1224
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: but I would love to know, coming from the NBA,

1225
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,439
Speaker 1: being a former champion, Steven Jackson's thoughts on a Meek

1226
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: Mill and if you think he corny for using a

1227
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: line like this. I want to continue on with the

1228
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: fact that rappers like Jadakiss, Tyler, the creator flow J

1229
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: have all referenced nine to eleven and the attacks on that.

1230
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: So let's be very clear on that. To you have

1231
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: Taler the creator, who, in his lyrics from Radicals from

1232
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: a twenty eleven song pretty much condoned terrorism and he

1233
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: trivialized nine to eleven. Uh. Flow J also referenced nine

1234
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: to eleven, and mind you, there were thousands of thousands

1235
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: of families impacted on that, so again selective outrage. And

1236
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: then I want to add one more only because luckily

1237
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: that woman just died. But I don't know if anyone

1238
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: seemed to have any type of beef for Little Wayne,

1239
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: who in his twenty thirteen record wrapped that he would

1240
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: beat that pussy up like im Mattil, something that we've

1241
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: literally known throughout our history the impact that it has

1242
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: had on us. And so for me, it's like, what

1243
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: is slectively outraged at this? Because I guarantee that nigga

1244
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: probably he was celebrating, so I slipped.

1245
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: To mind banging that little wing.

1246
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: You feel me, he probably wrapped it that I wasn't

1247
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 1: in the club line Listen, what was I in the

1248
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: club in twenty thirteen? Yeah? I was. I was like

1249
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to twenty three. I feel like you

1250
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: know when the when the record drop right now for

1251
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: a minor, I feel like niggas the DJ was dropping

1252
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: us saying the day was being a pussy like I

1253
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: till you feel me. This is one of those where

1254
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: I get it makes the news. But when we hop

1255
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: in these comments and when we have these like opinions

1256
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: publicly on something, can you lean into all the times

1257
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: you didn't care because it didn't impact you, because baby,

1258
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: you feel them towers about.

1259
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 3: The timeline to it, Like I feel like when you

1260
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: say that Matill line, Like, you know, there's like decades

1261
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 3: have pasted right with like.

1262
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: The George Floyd is because it was just a couple

1263
01:02:59,320 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: of years back.

1264
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: Kobe was just twenty twenty.

1265
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: That was a tough one.

1266
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 3: That's why I want the Jay.

1267
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: That one was like, okay, so is there Jay a

1268
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: timeline to where we should not be as.

1269
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: Sensitive quote unquote windows.

1270
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: That rappers can like express themselves and it be for entertainment.

1271
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 4: Man, it's a slippery slope. Man, I'm with you one

1272
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 4: hundred percent. I'm with you. It's like, what's the slope?

1273
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: Wait, is there a time line? You know?

1274
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 4: You know what, Romia, I don't know how far off

1275
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 4: this is going to be. My examples be crazy. It

1276
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 4: reminds me of the word nigga, Like, oh, like you know,

1277
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 4: I mean nigga. Nigger, right, was used in a Deroga.

1278
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 4: It was a derogatory term for slaves and to diminish us, right,

1279
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 4: and we we we adapted it to use it as

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Speaker 4: a word of endearment, which is crazy. I still use it.

1281
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 4: I'm not about that. I'm not saying like I'm judging nobody.

1282
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 4: I'm still a part of the ignorant people that do

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01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,919
Speaker 4: but I can acknowledge that that's is ignorant as fuck.

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01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 4: We still do. So it's like rap is a culture

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01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 4: that bro rap has played the brains of young black

1286
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 4: people coming from where I come from for years. We

1287
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 4: talk about infidelity, we talk about the reason why we

1288
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 4: being promiscuous messing with so many women, Like we hear

1289
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 4: it in our rap killing people, We hear it in

1290
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 4: our raps, and then we will say, well, rappers are

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01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 4: making songs about their experience and what they went through.

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01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 4: I understand, but it's also a thin line between making

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01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 4: a song about what you went through but also perpet

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01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 4: or promoting the violence that keep us in the same cause.

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01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: That shit with young young agec and and had been

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01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: in a grip hole.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so it's like it's like, I understand, but

1298
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 4: we just saying once it's gonna be in the club

1299
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 4: pop and bottle singing their songs.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, how much do we So here's my thing.

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01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: You just referred to hip hop as culture. Hear me

1302
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: out here, and why I feel like this is all

1303
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: selected outrage. Hip hop is not only culture, and there's

1304
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: a culture from hip hop right, hip hop is art,

1305
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: and so how I draw the pair or else from

1306
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: this is we enjoy ted Bundy movies, we enjoy Titanic,

1307
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: we enjoyed documentaries. Those are all forms of art that

1308
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: display things that actually took place, and where the families

1309
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: may not want to relive the trauma that they endured.

1310
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: No one ever really sees seems to be that upset

1311
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: when they're going to buy tickets to watch a movie

1312
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: about something that happened in real life, you know what

1313
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean. And so when we look at hip hop

1314
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: as art, that's where you might have to remove the

1315
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: sensitivity around the personal touch to either yourself or everyone else.

1316
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: Because Steven Jackson, I'm sure you have watched documentaries. I'm

1317
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: sure you have gone to the movies and enjoyed or

1318
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: been entertained by something that took place that included death,

1319
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: that included rape, that included things that are traumatic that

1320
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: somebody in real life has experienced. It's entertainable. Reminds me

1321
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: of it reminds me of comedy.

1322
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 4: Not you, no, no, I didn't even know what we're

1323
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 4: going to say. Runs me of comedy, like because that's

1324
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 4: a space where it's I think it's like, it's okay, bro,

1325
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 4: It's a joke. That's what some people have darkenments, some

1326
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 4: people don't. So it's like when you said, I'm like, damn,

1327
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 4: that's crazy. That's a great point. Like you smoked that, Mike,

1328
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Speaker 4: Thank you well.

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01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: Last topic before we get out of here. Oh, y'all

1330
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 1: got a y'all got a nice little long episode this

1331
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: week before we get out of here, because you went

1332
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: into comedy. Ari Lenox recently damn not the signe already

1333
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: with just the name mintioned. Ari Lenox has had a

1334
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: lot to say about black classic TV comedies. She has

1335
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: received backlash recently with her take on Martin regarding the

1336
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: jokes around Pam, which seemed to bother her. We don't

1337
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: have to play the clips. I think at this point

1338
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: you've kind of you kind of you're here familiar with it. Basically,

1339
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: she leaned into the jokes on Martin not being that

1340
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: funny because what it did was perpetuate colorism with the

1341
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: jokes on Pam and there wasn't enough on Gina, and

1342
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: it made people view black women as a as kind

1343
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: of the butt of the joke. Right. She also continued

1344
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: further to recently dark skinned women, dark skinned women, Yes,

1345
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: dark skin black women I'm sorry. And then she recently

1346
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: doubled down on not only her Martin take, but she

1347
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: also led to say that Bernie Mack made her uncomfortable

1348
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: with his.

1349
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 4: Jokes right now or could I guess.

1350
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: Let's think, because Bernie Mack is the most recent I know,

1351
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: the internet was yeah, I know, and rip Bernie Mack.

1352
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: So it's interesting now to even be bringing up with look, look.

1353
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 4: He's the goat.

1354
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, let me see what she what she

1355
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: actually said. She said, I love Bernie Mack, but some

1356
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: of his jokes they made me uncomfortable. This comes after

1357
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: people recently critiqued her on her takes on the Martin

1358
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: Lawrence thing. The remark was part of a broader conversation

1359
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: about certain jokes from past decades feel out of step

1360
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: with modern sensibilities. And I guess we can get into

1361
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: that too, because you know, for Lennox, it wasn't about

1362
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: erasing his legacy at all, but just acknowledging that comedy

1363
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: and culture does evolve. And she feels like a lot

1364
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: of shit that he said back then not.

1365
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 4: It today with these microphones man in the phone. It's

1366
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 4: just it's unfortunate that you could take like a segment

1367
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 4: or a clip out of a whole conversation, and it erases,

1368
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 4: like the h the purpose of the conversation, if that

1369
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 4: makes sense right. For example, it takes out the context.

1370
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 4: For example, like Michelle Obama when she was talking about ESPN, Yeah,

1371
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 4: being housewives, and it wasn't really a shot at ESPN.

1372
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 4: It was just like yo, like that's why they enjoyed

1373
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 4: doing what they're doing. So the context is taken out

1374
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 4: because you hit his one part. So what I will

1375
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 4: say is I didn't hear the entire thing, but from

1376
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,560
Speaker 4: what you me just using my brain, from what it

1377
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 4: sounds like, it sounded like it was a larger conversation.

1378
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: Well, this was her take following all of the outrage

1379
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: by the way, she doubled down on her take with

1380
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: Martin Lawrence and then she I think because the response

1381
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: was it was comedy. He joked on everybody. She went

1382
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: to another comedian where it's like, well and some offic

1383
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: shit made me uncomfortable too, Like this isn't just a

1384
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: jab at Martin and what it was on that show,

1385
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: but as a whole comedy specifically from our black brothers

1386
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: have led to black women being uncomfortable when technically there's

1387
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: a lot for black women, specifically dark women to fight over.

1388
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 4: Let's get into it, though. I think that space is

1389
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 4: needed because that's how we get better.

1390
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,440
Speaker 1: That space comedy, no'space, Okay.

1391
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 4: The space for her to say that, because it's so

1392
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 4: many other things that we can joke about, right, And yeah,

1393
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 4: although that was a joke, then I don't think it

1394
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 4: should be deleted, but we need the space for her

1395
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 4: to say that so we can understand new comics. Comedians

1396
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 4: can come and understand that. Bro, it's so many other

1397
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 4: things to joke about. He's a real product that we

1398
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 4: can fight, right. So I'm not I don't I don't

1399
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 4: take away from the history, but it was sayings back

1400
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 4: in the day where I used to hear old people saying,

1401
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 4: if it's grass on the field, play ball, if she

1402
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 4: old enough to cross the street.

1403
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, he's a nasty, sad, very nasty.

1404
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and back then it was understood. But we need,

1405
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 4: we need to have a conversation so that kids coming

1406
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 4: up understand that that's not okay, and what we was

1407
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 4: learning wasn't okay. So yeah, we've seen that back then,

1408
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 4: and it was okay back then, but that same thought

1409
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 4: process is going to get you locked up now.

1410
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: So I'm not mad. He's Jay just said, you don't

1411
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: have a choice to be selectively ignorant with this, like

1412
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: if you know better, do better.

1413
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 3: Essentially, Yeah, yeah, I think, But I think also too

1414
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 3: because it's a TV show, Like You're marrying comedy, which

1415
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,759
Speaker 3: is powerful and of itself, and then TV which is powerful,

1416
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 3: and back then TV was super powerful because the Internet

1417
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 3: wasn't and we didn't have like the strongest emphasis on

1418
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 3: our daily conversation. So then like to see repeatedly, week

1419
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 3: after week after week, the way that Martin joked against Pam,

1420
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 3: which was her point. You know that she thought that

1421
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 3: that was like a bad message, and that because Gina's

1422
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 3: joke whose light sken was just she had a big head.

1423
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you had jump about her weave.

1424
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: You had the same jokes on Living Single, you had

1425
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: like and for me the same way.

1426
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,879
Speaker 3: Not this this was like hammering it to one character

1427
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 3: week by week by week.

1428
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: But they just want you know, they were doing they did.

1429
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: They joked on each other. But the thing is the

1430
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 1: thing is they joked on Martin's.

1431
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 2: Ears and height aren't the same.

1432
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 4: They joked on each other color and and think about it,

1433
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 4: which because they.

1434
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 3: Think of colors and his height, that's the same, Like

1435
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 3: I hear you, I don't, but I don't.

1436
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: Think that and colorism I don't think.

1437
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 4: I say no, I say that because look what we

1438
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 4: look at we're dealing with now, Like I'm not one

1439
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 4: of them, but you got so many women out here

1440
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 4: we'll talk about and men don't like that. No, No,

1441
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 4: upset likes a whole done. Like people feel like people

1442
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 4: really feel insensitive about those things, right, Like I don't.

1443
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 3: Care, but they become they become insecure and secure exactly.

1444
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 4: So like point also, yeah, so my point all I'm

1445
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 4: saying is that again it goes back to the nigga.

1446
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm actually not mad at that. You're right.

1447
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: This is her expressing where certain content maybe pushed her

1448
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 1: to be more insecure with things because these are jokes

1449
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: and I'm just supposed to not internalize these And so

1450
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: you're right. I do like that your take on this

1451
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: is that, because you know everyone's take is old, Ari,

1452
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: get off the Internet. I thought I thought you were

1453
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: done with social media, but you're right. I think that

1454
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: everybody should be able to share when something has an

1455
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: impact on them. And if she's saying in her childhood

1456
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 1: those jokes on Pam made her feel more insecure about

1457
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: the color of her skin, that should be a topic

1458
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: within our community. I agree. I'm not mad with that top.

1459
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 4: My thing is, I just think, like ve smoking it,

1460
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 4: I'm trying to keep up with Mandy like crazy, I'm

1461
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 4: like that. I just think, like, but that was you said,

1462
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 4: that was our reality. That's what made it good because

1463
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 4: we were home cracking jokes with our friends. I don't

1464
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 4: mean the jokes was okay, but you gotta learn that.

1465
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 4: So like, it's like both sides right, Like that was

1466
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 4: our experience. They should be they should be They should

1467
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 4: be able to televise our experience. So we make we

1468
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 4: feel seen, we feel hurt, like, oh, this is us.

1469
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 4: That's what makes it good. But at the same time,

1470
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 4: we need the space for people like all right, because

1471
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 4: then we can make it better because we could teach

1472
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 4: people that this shouldn't go on, and then that could

1473
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 4: change the outlook of the world moving forward. So maybe

1474
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 4: we're not having these jokes at home, right, and now

1475
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 4: what you're changing on TV is the reality of our

1476
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 4: accents because our and the accents changed, So it's like

1477
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 4: I agree with both sides almost like as a as

1478
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 4: a show, you should be being relatable. That's what we

1479
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 4: was doing. It don't make it okay. We're walking around

1480
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 4: calling each other niggas. It don't make it okay. But

1481
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 4: we gotta have some dialogue so it can be better.

1482
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that.

1483
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 2: I'm mad as good. We need an applause button.

1484
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know.

1485
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 2: I don't both sides connected. You're connected. You connected both

1486
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 2: pieces to make a larger kind of puzzle.

1487
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 1: Nah, I agree, and I think that that's that's I

1488
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: guess the final word. Y'all know, we like to We

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Speaker 1: like to wrap it up and have our finals say now.

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Speaker 1: We talked and hit on so many points today. This

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Speaker 1: wasn't one of the episodes where we had one large

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01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 1: topic to talk about. But I do think that when

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Speaker 1: you hop in the comments, when you find yourself being

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01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: outraged on either a domestic violence incident, what about the

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01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,120
Speaker 1: people within your family? How are you making a difference,

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01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: How are you stepping up? How are you showing up?

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01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: Have you sayed too long in a relationship? I'm a

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01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 1: lean into what he said earlier. Maybe there should be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more grace, but I think more importantly. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that was I said based on what Jay said. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't like that whole grace, but I do want

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01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: to think too. And my final word would say, you

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01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,879
Speaker 1: can lean into your ignorance and know that it's sometimes

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01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: selected right, or you could sit here and know that

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01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: there's power and unlearning.

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Speaker 4: Shit.

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Speaker 1: We as a culture, as a community, as a society,

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of unlearning to do. From the Joe,

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: from the television, from the sitcoms, through the ways. We

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01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 1: could talk about us becoming more sensitive, or we could

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01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,440
Speaker 1: just talk about us having the access to more knowledge.

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Speaker 1: And I think at the end of the day, we're

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01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: mad that we know more because now all we gotta

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01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: do is be like, now you gotta hold yourself accountable.

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01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: The problem is we know more, and so when you

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01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: show up as a fucked up person, when you show

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01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: up as an abuser, when you show up, is this

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01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: now the magnifying glass wants to hold you accountable? Where

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01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: back in the nineties eighties, Back then there wasn't that

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 1: much of a scope in a people's opinion to be

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01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: so broadly broadcasted. So at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: we have some unlearning to do. We have some relearning,

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01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:42,919
Speaker 1: and if you want to choose to be selectively ignorant,

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01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: that is on you. Jay. Where can everybody listen to

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01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 1: your podcast, tune in and support you?

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Speaker 4: She she did? You did your big one man. You

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01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 4: follow me everywhere even YouTube and a podcast. Just put

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Speaker 4: in mister Jay Hill, mister.

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Speaker 1: Jay Hill, and everything comes up, which is which I

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01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: want to say, is very very dope because J Hill

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01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: is a very common motherfucking name. If you put mister

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01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: J Hill, though, yo ass comes up. And I really

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01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 1: like that you tested the CEO s c O on

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01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: that one, because baby, I was like, I ain't gonna

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01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: be able to find out JA. I used to J Hill,

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01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 1: like what and it wasn't you. I'm like, there's a

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01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: lot of j Hills out there. There's a Jay Hill

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01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: on ESPN. Isn't there a J J Hill coach? I

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01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: was like, how the funk were gonna get It's kind

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01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: of what we deal with with Jason Lee. With John.

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01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 1: We have a friend named Jason Lee who works for

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01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: Bossip Nigga. Jason Lee shows up from Hollywood and mine

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01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 1: y'all with these names. Boy, y'all were these names? Anyways, y'all,

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Speaker 1: this has been another episode of Selective Ignorance. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mandy B. And this is where curiosity lives, controversy thrives,

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01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: and conversations matter. See you next week. Selective Ignorance a

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01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:02,400
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