1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hello, and welcome 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: to a little behind the scenes mini sod of stuff 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: you miss in History Class. I'm Tracy Vie Wilson and 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry. This is a little new something that 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: we're trying. Uh huh, We're gonna be adding it into 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: our feet on Friday's. One of the things that we 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: get requests from listeners for a lot of the time 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: is a little bit more kind of casual insight into 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: our process or how we feel about shows that we 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: have worked on. And so every week we're going to 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: kind of do a little round up, a little five 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: to ten minute talk about the shows that debuted that week. Yes, 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: so this week we have two shows. Unusually, they were 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: both researched and written by me. Often one episode is 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: my research and one is Holly's research, but just because 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: of the way the calendar fell, they were both mine 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: this week. And the first one was about the witch 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: Finder General, which is not something that I had on 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: like my long term. It didn't turn out to be 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: a Halloween episode because it came out in November, but 22 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of Halloween e and it's theming and it 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: wasn't on my long term list of things to talk 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: about in the more October time period. It was something 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: that earlier in the month I just sort of stumbled across, 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: possibly while googling the novel The Discovery of Witches by 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: Deborah Harkness, which it is a totally unrelated thing. One 28 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: of the things that struck me while I was working 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: on this episode. I have joked before if Game of 30 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: Thrones were real, and if I had lived in Game 31 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: of Thrones, I would have been beheaded in season one. Uh, 32 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: And when I was working on this episode, I was 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: thinking about how if I lived in early modern Europe, 34 00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: I would be accused of witchcraft, because not only am 35 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: I kind of a cranky into my middle years person, 36 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: you can sometimes be short with people who rubbed me 37 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: the wrong way. Also, I had adopted not one, but 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: two black cats in the weeks immediately before recording this episode. 39 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: UM and cats were viewed very suspiciously, and black cats 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: especially very very suspiciously. And then on top of that, 41 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: we have been um clicker training them and they can 42 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: mostly sit on command about eighty percent of the time, 43 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,839 Speaker 1: and I think that would have been incredibly frowned upon 44 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: by my neighbors. For the record, cats very easy to 45 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: click your train. It's just a different deal than with dogs. 46 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: Yet I have trained ours to sit on command and 47 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: go in their crates on commands so that I don't 48 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: have to fight them into crates. Um. They're especially good 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: right now at recognizing that one of us is intending 50 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: to practice sitting, Like if they realize that there are 51 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: treats and a clicker in hand, immediate sitting happens. So 52 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: I've been trying to kind of sneak up with the sitting. 53 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: One of our previous cats, we had taught him several tricks. 54 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: We had taught him sit, lie down, and roll over, 55 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: and he would get so excited when the treats and 56 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: the clicker came out that he would just start cycling 57 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: through those tricks over and over, like one of these 58 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: is going to be right, and I'd really like to 59 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: get a snake right away. Um. One of the things 60 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to mention about which finder we mentioned it 61 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: in the episode, is that it is this weird juxtaposition 62 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: of some really terrible stuff, like women were treated very 63 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: badly and the handling of this issue was done in 64 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: a way that kind of seemed like they wanted to 65 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: drum up their own business, which is terrible. But the 66 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: flip is that there's a lot of really whimsical and 67 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: nutty stuff that is worthy of like the most creative 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: fantasy novel you could imagine. It gets into that weird 69 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: space where you're kind of enjoying it, but you also 70 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: feel guilty for enjoying it. Exactly. I had that exact response, 71 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: and I also, as I was working on a script, 72 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: initially had a lot more quotations from the documentations of 73 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: the trials at the time, um because they they were 74 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: just so weird and delightful, sometimes in a weird way. 75 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean, what they were talking about was horrifying, But 76 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I remember transcribing into the outline and then later deleting it. 77 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: This whole testimony somebody had given about how somebody had 78 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: nipples in her secret places, but they were not piles, 79 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: because I know what piles are, having experience to them myself. 80 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: And it just went on and I was like, this 81 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: is so weird and funny in a bizarre way and 82 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: not funny at all at the same time, because like 83 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: they're using this testimony to convict a woman of witchcraft. 84 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: Well and moreover, for me, the part that made me 85 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: kind of feel like uneasy about it is it really 86 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: became this strange, obsessive cataloging of women's bodies. Yeah, which 87 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: is a whole other thing that you know, Rob's women 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: of their agency and is very creepy and strang ange 89 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: and also makes the men involved seemed like very a 90 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: very twisted version of lascivious. In some cases it's tricky, 91 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: But I did come away with a desire to get 92 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: a tattoo of Vinegar Tom, Vinegar one of the familiars 93 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: we discussed. Yes, as soon as I sent you the 94 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: artwork for the episode that had the picture of Vinegar 95 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: Tom in it, your immediate response was, now, I have 96 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: to get a Vinegar Tom tattoo. I know, I just 97 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: gotta figure out where it's going to go. I can't 98 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: keep getting tattoos of every show we do yet finding 99 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: ideas of things that I want to turn into tattoos. 100 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: You know what, I will never want to get a 101 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: tattoo of what's that? A baby? No? Uh, that's been 102 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: our other show this week. Yes, our other show this 103 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: week was on on Dr Cooney's Baby Side Shows, which 104 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: is something folks have been asking us to do for 105 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: the entire time that we have been on this podcast, 106 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: and it comes in waves right like there'll be a 107 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: right up on it on the internet somewhere, and we'll 108 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: get a lot of requests. A book came out about it, 109 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: called The Strange Case of Dr Cooney, UM, which I 110 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: was able to like sort of check in a couple 111 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: of pages of that book. I wasn't able to get 112 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: the book from the library and time to actually use 113 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: it as part of the research, but I had plenty 114 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: of other resources to draw from. So people have been 115 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: asking us to do it for so long, and really 116 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: it was just one of those things where I was like, 117 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: I've I've had a lot going on. UM, not as 118 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: much in the immediate recent path, but several of the 119 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: more distressing episodes that we have done this year have 120 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: been my research. And we were getting ready to go 121 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: on tour, and I was like, I need something that 122 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: I can that I can get together before we get 123 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: on tour, and this thing that people have been asking 124 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: for for so long seems like good material for it. UM. 125 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: The thing that struck me while working on this was 126 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: when we talk about somebody on this show who had 127 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: no medical background and started in a huckster kind of 128 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: way trying to sell something with their non medical background. Normally, 129 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: at best, what that person was accomplishing was nothing. Right, 130 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: when we talk about somebody who was marketing some kind 131 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: of cure all or somebody who was positioning themselves as 132 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: some kind of healer and they actually had no background 133 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: to do any of that, normally, best case scenario is nothing, 134 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: and then worst case scenario is a bunch of people die. 135 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: So having this episode where Dr Cooney doesn't seem to 136 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: have had a medical degree, maybe he did, maybe that 137 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: just the records were lost. It doesn't seem that he 138 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: was a doctor, though the math doesn't add up on 139 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: his medical training. I want to believe that he was 140 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: really a doctor, but I don't think that he was. 141 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: But he he successfully saved a lot of babies, like 142 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: the survival rate and his incubator side shows was way 143 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: above what would happen if these babies were just sent 144 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: home without any further care. And that that's not a 145 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: story that we tell very often on the show. It Normally, 146 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: if we're talking about somebody who had no background or 147 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: experience doing something like that. The story goes a lot differently. Yeah, 148 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: I um, the whole thing is is fascinating in the 149 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: not fascinating way to me, because, as I've been very 150 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: frank about, I have a phobia about baby I know 151 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: to some people that makes me a monster. I just 152 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm not a baby's person. So the idea of paying 153 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: to look at premature babies is really odd to me. 154 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, why would you do that? Why wouldn't you 155 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: buy some socks instead with that money? But at the 156 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: same time, like you have to acknowledge that that was 157 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: the thing. I will also say that there is a 158 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: title of a book that I had to talk about 159 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: in this episode where the word nursling is involved, and 160 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: for some reason that just skeemed me out so bad. 161 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: I felt bad. I felt bad that you got the 162 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: nursling part. I mean, if that's the worst thing that 163 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: befalls me today, I really have nothing to complain about. 164 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: But it was just one of those things where I 165 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: was like, I didn't even fully understand why this gives 166 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: me like the creepies here, I am. Um. So we 167 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: also back after we talked about Dr Virginia Apgar. At 168 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: some point after that when we had a T shirt store, 169 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: we had a T shirt design that says look at 170 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: the babies, because like that became sort of the theme 171 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: of that show about how Virginia Apgar had had been like, 172 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: if you will just look at these babies, you will 173 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: prevent a lot of problems that are happening with their 174 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: medical care. Uh. And for some reason that was just 175 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: delightful to me. And so we have this look at 176 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: the Baby's shirt in our store, and that look at 177 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: the Baby's shirt could also work for this episode. It 178 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: could have I ever told you I'm scared to wear 179 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: mine because I'm scared someone will show me babies. Oh no, 180 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: here's my baby, and I'll be like, no, you've misunderstood horribly. 181 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a monster, but I don't 182 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: want to look at your baby. You could do what 183 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: I do when I get a shirt. And then I 184 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: realized there's something maybe questionable about the shirt, which is 185 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: where it to sleep? Oh no, I know, I'm scared 186 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: I'll invite some sort of baby energy into my room. 187 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: I'll just wake up with babies in my room and 188 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: there'll be a ghost baby in your house. Maybe maybe 189 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: I'll find somebody who wants it and make sure they 190 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: get it. Well, that's good. Um, I think we've kind 191 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: of covered some ground on both of our episodes. Next 192 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: week we have some more exciting fun things coming up 193 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: and we will talk about those next Friday. So hopefully 194 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: you have enjoyed this kind of look behind the scenes 195 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: that are insights and thoughts into what we work on 196 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: on our day to day basis. Uh and UH let 197 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: us know if you want us to cover any particular 198 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: territory like our research process, or if you have a 199 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: question about one of the shows, we could probably involve 200 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: some Q and A here if there's time. Ever good. 201 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: It's pretty open ended in nebulous, so we have a 202 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: little bit of playtime here on Friday's. Yeah, and if 203 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: you're wondering, hey, is this going to change something about 204 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: the existing episodes that I know and love, that answer 205 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: is no, not even a little is complete add on 206 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: and nothing nothing that impacts the recording of the regular show. 207 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: So we hope you'd enjoyed it. If you would like 208 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: to write to us, you can do so at History 209 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: Podcast at House of Works dot com. We are also 210 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: on every social media as Missed in History, and our 211 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: website is Missed in History dot com. 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