WEBVTT - Sabrina Carpenter 0:00:15.316 --> 0:00:24.276 Pushkin. In my hometown Pennsylvania. I would always go to 0:00:24.316 --> 0:00:26.876 this restaurant and it was this way just named Patty, 0:00:26.916 --> 0:00:28.996 and she was very sweet. I was six years old 0:00:29.316 --> 0:00:31.476 and I remember she was like, it's my birthday and 0:00:31.516 --> 0:00:32.956 I was like, I'll sing you happy birthday, and I 0:00:32.956 --> 0:00:34.996 sang her Happy birthday. And then she would bring me 0:00:34.996 --> 0:00:36.876 around to tables every time we would go eat and 0:00:36.916 --> 0:00:38.196 be like is this person's birthday? Like we do you 0:00:38.196 --> 0:00:40.956 see them every birthday? And I was like sure. And 0:00:40.956 --> 0:00:43.036 then like people would like give me money and I'd 0:00:43.036 --> 0:00:44.636 be like thank you. My parents were like you can't 0:00:44.636 --> 0:00:47.516 take that, Sabrina, what are you doing? You're six? And 0:00:47.556 --> 0:00:49.716 I was like, I'm trying to build a career. What 0:00:49.756 --> 0:00:54.436 do you mean. I gotta start somewhere. That's the ambitious 0:00:54.476 --> 0:00:57.836 Sabrina Carpenter that I know and love, and she did 0:00:57.916 --> 0:01:01.676 turn those childhood dreams into a real career. She started 0:01:01.796 --> 0:01:05.796 multiple movies and TV shows, including Girl Meets World. She 0:01:05.956 --> 0:01:08.876 even played the lead in Broadways Mean Girls. You might 0:01:08.916 --> 0:01:12.076 know from her popular songs on My Way, Skin and 0:01:12.236 --> 0:01:28.356 Thumbs and so keep Death Dumb. The fact that I 0:01:28.436 --> 0:01:30.516 knew at such a young age like this is what 0:01:30.556 --> 0:01:31.956 I want to do for the rest of my life, 0:01:32.196 --> 0:01:34.836 and then I've been able to do it, Like I 0:01:34.916 --> 0:01:37.636 just don't know what else I would ever want to do, 0:01:37.716 --> 0:01:40.076 and so I am very grateful and very lucky. Do 0:01:40.116 --> 0:01:43.316 you remember what age where you actually thought this is 0:01:43.356 --> 0:01:45.636 what I want to do. I was six. It was 0:01:45.716 --> 0:01:50.156 so vivid. I remember watching the pilot episode of Hannah Montana. 0:01:50.676 --> 0:01:53.756 You know, it was Disney's first sort of like show 0:01:53.756 --> 0:01:56.716 about a pop star, like a singer, and I was 0:01:56.756 --> 0:01:58.596 just like, oh my gosh, like I want to do that. 0:01:58.796 --> 0:02:00.516 And so I think after that it kind of was 0:02:00.596 --> 0:02:03.516 essentially just like my goal and I just would always 0:02:03.596 --> 0:02:06.516 draw little pictures of myself like performing for arenas, And 0:02:06.916 --> 0:02:08.956 I was very much like a person that liked to 0:02:09.316 --> 0:02:12.916 down my manifestations and goals and write songs about wanting 0:02:12.956 --> 0:02:15.276 to do that and just always putting it out into 0:02:15.276 --> 0:02:19.436 the universe. So I think the universe listened slightly. I'm 0:02:19.476 --> 0:02:22.236 still listening, but I mean it's it's very powerful that 0:02:22.316 --> 0:02:27.876 kind of stuff. This is backstage pass and I'm Eric Betrow. 0:02:28.036 --> 0:02:31.316 I'm a vocal coach to some pretty successful singers on 0:02:31.356 --> 0:02:33.876 this show. I talked to my students about their lives, 0:02:33.956 --> 0:02:37.436 their biggest insecurities, and how they keep building their careers. 0:02:38.036 --> 0:02:41.156 People think the great singers only rely on their natural talents, 0:02:41.316 --> 0:02:44.316 but finding your voice takes a lot of work. Together 0:02:44.396 --> 0:02:47.236 will explore what it really takes to make it big. 0:02:51.756 --> 0:02:54.156 Do you remember one of the first songs you would 0:02:54.196 --> 0:02:56.556 sing when you were younger, like a go to song? 0:02:56.996 --> 0:02:59.796 My mom and dad had such a different music taste. 0:02:59.796 --> 0:03:04.956 My mom was Edda James and Patsy Klein and Maretha Franklin, 0:03:05.916 --> 0:03:09.476 and my dad was like Rush and Ozzie Osbourne and 0:03:09.676 --> 0:03:12.996 Paul McCartney, So they were they were very diverse. But 0:03:13.036 --> 0:03:16.116 I think one of the first songs I ever learned 0:03:16.156 --> 0:03:19.516 was Crazy by Patsy Klein. I was like six or seven, 0:03:19.876 --> 0:03:21.636 and did you sing it a lot? I sang it 0:03:21.676 --> 0:03:23.636 a lot, and it would be that kind of song. 0:03:23.676 --> 0:03:25.476 It would be that or like a Christina agulara song 0:03:25.516 --> 0:03:28.396 that I would take into like auditions because everyone's always like, hey, 0:03:28.396 --> 0:03:30.636 do you sing by the way, and then expecting me 0:03:30.676 --> 0:03:34.276 to sing a Disney song or something, and I'd be like, 0:03:35.516 --> 0:03:37.876 it's like what you probably thought, like, why is she 0:03:37.956 --> 0:03:41.196 a grown man in a small small body? Well, I 0:03:41.236 --> 0:03:43.876 think I did think that I think you sang at last, 0:03:44.036 --> 0:03:46.716 and I was or maybe crazy, and I was like, God, 0:03:46.796 --> 0:03:49.396 she's twelve years old and she's singing this song. Yeah, 0:03:49.436 --> 0:03:52.676 I've known you since I was twelve. It's amazing to me. 0:03:52.836 --> 0:03:56.436 I mean, if that time flew by. It's been such 0:03:56.476 --> 0:03:58.956 a roller coaster, and I feel like you've you've seen 0:03:58.956 --> 0:04:01.756 me in such interesting like phases of my life now, 0:04:01.836 --> 0:04:04.756 which is wild, and I'm very grateful for it. You know, 0:04:04.756 --> 0:04:06.756 when I met you, you were a bit of a mystery. 0:04:06.796 --> 0:04:09.756 I've told you this before. You were such a combination 0:04:09.876 --> 0:04:12.636 of so many different things. You looked so young. I 0:04:12.676 --> 0:04:14.676 could barely see your face because you had all this blond, 0:04:14.756 --> 0:04:17.476 curly hair. But then when you started talking, you were 0:04:17.556 --> 0:04:20.356 very confident and kind of growing up. But then the 0:04:20.396 --> 0:04:22.156 next minute you would laugh, and I go, oh, yeah, 0:04:22.196 --> 0:04:24.276 she is really young. Then the next minute you'd say 0:04:24.316 --> 0:04:28.196 something very bold. And I remember when Bill, your managers, said, so, 0:04:28.236 --> 0:04:30.116 how is the session with Sabrina? What do you think? 0:04:30.156 --> 0:04:33.516 I was like, I have no idea whatsoever. I don't know. 0:04:34.196 --> 0:04:36.156 Let me do another lesson with her, then I'll tell you. 0:04:36.196 --> 0:04:39.716 Oh my gosh, you were so many elements and what's 0:04:39.756 --> 0:04:42.916 been so great through the years is see all of 0:04:42.956 --> 0:04:47.676 those different elements progress a person almost into a person. 0:04:47.716 --> 0:04:51.076 But also I think that's what makes you so charismatic 0:04:51.116 --> 0:04:53.516 on stage. I think that when people have a lot 0:04:53.556 --> 0:04:57.036 of different elements to them, they are much more watchable 0:04:57.156 --> 0:05:00.916 and interesting on stage. So it's a big compliment from you, well, 0:05:01.276 --> 0:05:03.516 twelve years old, I mean, it's amazing, but you're only 0:05:03.516 --> 0:05:07.756 twenty two, so you're saying only, well, it is only 0:05:07.836 --> 0:05:10.556 you've done a lot. I started at an age where 0:05:10.596 --> 0:05:14.596 I was fearless and I was so excited and curious that, 0:05:14.676 --> 0:05:17.116 like I would go into these rooms with these adults 0:05:17.196 --> 0:05:20.036 that normally now that I go into and I'm terrified 0:05:20.076 --> 0:05:22.276 and I'm like, I gotta do a good job. They 0:05:22.276 --> 0:05:24.716 expect a lot from me. I'm twenty two, and back 0:05:24.756 --> 0:05:26.556 then I was ten, and I was like, I'm cute, 0:05:26.636 --> 0:05:28.876 doesn't matter what happens, like they're gonna like me. And 0:05:28.916 --> 0:05:30.876 I think that that's something that I'm very grateful that 0:05:30.916 --> 0:05:33.636 I got to do. I got to experience those things 0:05:33.676 --> 0:05:36.156 at a time where I wasn't overthinking and I wasn't 0:05:36.276 --> 0:05:39.236 boxing myself into what I thought I should be or 0:05:39.236 --> 0:05:41.956 what I thought other people think I should be. I 0:05:41.996 --> 0:05:44.116 had not really thought about that. I mean, I do 0:05:44.236 --> 0:05:46.436 think about young kids when I work with them, that 0:05:46.436 --> 0:05:49.276 they're just not jaded. They don't know how hard or 0:05:49.276 --> 0:05:52.636 how difficult things are going to be. But you saying 0:05:52.676 --> 0:05:56.716 you were fearless at that age, that's a really great observation. Yeah, 0:05:56.756 --> 0:05:58.916 I think I see it now, and it's only because 0:05:58.956 --> 0:06:02.356 I know what I'm capable of now. I think back then, 0:06:02.436 --> 0:06:05.396 you're sort of still learning what you're capable of. You're 0:06:05.436 --> 0:06:09.116 not even thinking about limitations. You're just doing it because 0:06:09.236 --> 0:06:11.436 you're like, this is fun. I love making people smile, 0:06:11.476 --> 0:06:13.636 I love making people laugh. And then as you get older, 0:06:13.676 --> 0:06:17.516 you start to see like, oh, people expect certain things 0:06:17.516 --> 0:06:21.436 from me. I am a brand, I'm a corporation, which 0:06:21.476 --> 0:06:23.436 is not true, but you start to get those things 0:06:23.436 --> 0:06:26.236 in your head as you hear people say them. But 0:06:26.396 --> 0:06:30.316 you know, I always try to remind people, try to 0:06:30.396 --> 0:06:34.276 reconnect with that feeling, try to reconnect with that person 0:06:34.836 --> 0:06:37.836 that you were, and that'll free you from all of that. 0:06:38.436 --> 0:06:40.556 People say so much like you need to go back 0:06:40.556 --> 0:06:43.316 to your roots and remind yourself why you did this 0:06:43.356 --> 0:06:45.836 in the first place. And for me, it's always very 0:06:45.836 --> 0:06:48.396 comforting to go back to the basics of like, oh, 0:06:48.476 --> 0:06:51.756 I just I love singing, I love performing being on 0:06:51.796 --> 0:06:54.516 a stage, I feel the most comfortable and that's why 0:06:54.556 --> 0:06:56.596 I do and that's why I continue to do it. Yeah, 0:06:56.716 --> 0:07:00.236 would you say that that is the most helpful thing 0:07:00.276 --> 0:07:03.956 with you having anxiety or whenever you do have anxiety, 0:07:04.036 --> 0:07:06.396 or is there any other tips you have. I'm still 0:07:06.476 --> 0:07:09.596 navigating it, to be quite honest, so I don't really 0:07:09.636 --> 0:07:11.916 have like the go to this is what I do 0:07:11.956 --> 0:07:14.716 to cure it. I think it's always different. I think 0:07:14.796 --> 0:07:19.636 sometimes you just need to listen to yourself because you 0:07:19.676 --> 0:07:22.356 will be able to tell what you need, whether that's 0:07:22.396 --> 0:07:25.396 space and time to yourself, whether that's just a big 0:07:25.476 --> 0:07:28.476 deep breath and to relax your shoulders, drop your jaw 0:07:28.556 --> 0:07:30.716 and bend forward and hang loose like a rag doll. 0:07:30.916 --> 0:07:34.236 Like I don't my favorite genuinely though, like I do 0:07:34.276 --> 0:07:37.276 that I shake everything out. I just like I get 0:07:37.276 --> 0:07:39.276 it all out of my system. That's sometimes what I 0:07:39.356 --> 0:07:41.916 need and other times, like I need to go on 0:07:41.956 --> 0:07:44.836 a walk, and other times I need to like call 0:07:44.876 --> 0:07:48.636 a friend and you know, decompress it. Just it always depends. 0:07:48.716 --> 0:07:51.996 But when it's like crunch time and you're about to 0:07:52.036 --> 0:07:53.636 go on stage. I think the deep breath is the 0:07:53.636 --> 0:07:59.316 biggest A deep breath inside exactly. Let's talk a little 0:07:59.316 --> 0:08:03.476 bit about preparation, like prepping your voice for a tour, 0:08:03.556 --> 0:08:06.516 because that is a big thing. It takes a lot 0:08:06.516 --> 0:08:09.516 of stamina. It's gonna be hard to just get on 0:08:09.596 --> 0:08:13.156 stage and be able to have the control and breath 0:08:13.236 --> 0:08:16.596 and long capacity to be able to be bopping all 0:08:16.636 --> 0:08:19.716 over the place and singing and have control. And you're 0:08:19.756 --> 0:08:22.636 talking before the show. We've talked about this so many times, 0:08:22.916 --> 0:08:24.636 you know, meet and greets and how much that can 0:08:24.676 --> 0:08:27.516 take your voice away depending on how many people you're 0:08:27.556 --> 0:08:30.156 meeting before a show, and trying to preserve that in 0:08:30.196 --> 0:08:32.916 the smartest way possible. So I think for me, it's 0:08:32.916 --> 0:08:36.436 a combination of working out. Maybe it's doing my warm 0:08:36.476 --> 0:08:38.956 ups like on the treadmill, just so I'm moving and 0:08:38.956 --> 0:08:42.436 singing at the same time. Obviously, it's singing and warming 0:08:42.516 --> 0:08:45.796 up every single day, practicing the songs, getting them in 0:08:45.836 --> 0:08:50.156 your body. I think we underestimate like repetition as far 0:08:50.196 --> 0:08:52.916 as like the more that you get a song in 0:08:52.916 --> 0:08:55.276 your system and your voice is comfortable with singing that 0:08:55.356 --> 0:08:57.116 and it's in your body, and it's in your bones, 0:08:57.156 --> 0:08:59.396 you don't have to think about it so much. Then 0:08:59.436 --> 0:09:01.716 the rest kind of comes naturally, which is why we 0:09:02.076 --> 0:09:05.116 do like sing these songs over and over again. I 0:09:05.156 --> 0:09:07.436 want to get into a little bit how we did 0:09:07.716 --> 0:09:11.156 prep for a big show. Yeah, you only got a 0:09:11.156 --> 0:09:15.676 few performance this because that gosh darn pandemic closed everything down, 0:09:15.836 --> 0:09:20.156 which was devastating. But did you feel like your prep 0:09:20.196 --> 0:09:25.956 for Mean Girls on Broadway felt different than prepping for 0:09:25.956 --> 0:09:29.116 a tour? And how was it different? Immensely different in 0:09:29.116 --> 0:09:30.916 a great way. I felt like I was ready for 0:09:30.956 --> 0:09:34.116 the Olympics. I was in dance rehearsals, I was in 0:09:34.156 --> 0:09:37.596 scene rehearsals, I was in vocal rehearsals every single day. 0:09:37.876 --> 0:09:41.036 It was the craziest schedule, but I was constantly working 0:09:41.036 --> 0:09:45.116 out my voice and really working on my mixed register 0:09:45.156 --> 0:09:47.836 that I don't use a lot when I'm singing these 0:09:47.876 --> 0:09:51.396 pop songs, because these songs were in a very different 0:09:51.396 --> 0:09:53.116 place for me that I normally used my voice. It 0:09:53.156 --> 0:09:55.076 was a lot more enunciated, it was a lot more open. 0:09:55.276 --> 0:09:58.396 There was a lot more theatrics and personality in some 0:09:58.436 --> 0:10:00.476 of these songs than I would ever have to use 0:10:00.556 --> 0:10:02.316 on a record where I'm close to a microphone in 0:10:02.356 --> 0:10:04.876 the studio and I'm whispering something and you can kind 0:10:04.916 --> 0:10:08.036 of take it easy. Yeah, well, it's interesting. I think 0:10:08.076 --> 0:10:10.316 for people listening if they don't really know a lot 0:10:10.356 --> 0:10:13.276 about voices and singing, they might go, what is she 0:10:13.316 --> 0:10:15.476 talking about with the mix? And you know a lot 0:10:15.556 --> 0:10:18.796 of pop singers, especially when you write your own music, 0:10:18.876 --> 0:10:21.116 you can kind of tailor the music around your voice, 0:10:21.116 --> 0:10:23.836 so you can be in your lower chess voice or 0:10:23.876 --> 0:10:27.716 your upper head voice, you know, falsetto sound, and you 0:10:27.756 --> 0:10:30.156 don't really have to blend them together because you're working 0:10:30.196 --> 0:10:32.236 around it the way you write the music. Whereas in 0:10:32.316 --> 0:10:34.916 Mean Girls you had to sound like you were belting, 0:10:35.036 --> 0:10:37.636 but you couldn't really belt that high in full chess 0:10:37.716 --> 0:10:41.596 voice every single night. Yeah, eight shows a week, especially 0:10:41.676 --> 0:10:44.676 the notes that were really high. So I remember being 0:10:45.796 --> 0:10:48.236 it concerned and excited all at the same time when 0:10:48.236 --> 0:10:49.436 you told me you were going to do it, because 0:10:49.436 --> 0:10:51.756 I thought, well, we've got to make sure to do 0:10:51.796 --> 0:10:53.796 it right in order to maintain your voice so you 0:10:53.836 --> 0:10:57.356 never lose it, but also to work at it. So 0:10:57.516 --> 0:10:59.396 how exciting that you're going to work at this part 0:10:59.396 --> 0:11:01.996 of your voice, which you never really had to do before, 0:11:02.476 --> 0:11:04.556 and now you're going to walk away with a new 0:11:04.676 --> 0:11:07.836 skill and using your voice definitely, And it was so 0:11:07.916 --> 0:11:11.276 exciting to see how much it did grow stronger over 0:11:11.316 --> 0:11:13.956 that time period. And I was hitting notes that maybe 0:11:14.036 --> 0:11:15.676 before I would have taken quite a bit more effort 0:11:15.716 --> 0:11:18.196 because I knew exactly where to place them. I got 0:11:18.236 --> 0:11:21.596 to step into shoes that I don't necessarily get to 0:11:21.636 --> 0:11:24.036 be in all the time, and really stretch myself and 0:11:24.076 --> 0:11:27.036 push myself in a way that I don't always get 0:11:27.036 --> 0:11:29.116 to do when I'm just you know, writing songs for 0:11:29.156 --> 0:11:34.076 Sabrina um my alter ego, right exactly. One of the 0:11:34.516 --> 0:11:38.556 exercises we did to blend the voices was sliding up 0:11:38.556 --> 0:11:40.636 and down. I love my slides and now and you 0:11:40.676 --> 0:11:42.756 told me once that was your favorite. Can you give 0:11:42.916 --> 0:11:45.756 the audience an example of what a slide would sound like? 0:11:48.516 --> 0:11:55.076 And I love the woozy woozy Like doing slides automatically 0:11:55.076 --> 0:11:57.676 like releases a lot of tension because like in that 0:11:57.756 --> 0:12:00.596 short time span, you're using a pretty wide part of 0:12:00.596 --> 0:12:03.556 your register. So yeah, I'm always doing that. Well, I 0:12:03.596 --> 0:12:06.396 love that you said the woozy woozy, do that again, 0:12:06.436 --> 0:12:10.556 so people whoozoo love that because I feel like that 0:12:10.636 --> 0:12:14.276 really grounds people and it calms them because you're you're 0:12:14.316 --> 0:12:18.236 not trying for a specific no, you're not holding a note, 0:12:18.316 --> 0:12:21.156 or you're just letting go. You're loosening up and letting 0:12:21.196 --> 0:12:23.156 it flow. My other favorite thing is when we're doing 0:12:23.236 --> 0:12:25.956 warm ups and you're like, just lose all feeling in 0:12:25.996 --> 0:12:28.556 your mouth and just do whatever exercise we're doing. Is 0:12:28.596 --> 0:12:30.836 if like your tongue is numb and you're just like 0:12:30.836 --> 0:12:33.196 blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. That to me 0:12:33.716 --> 0:12:36.716 calms down all my face muscles, which are always so 0:12:36.796 --> 0:12:40.316 tense when I'm nervous, and I think like a huge 0:12:40.356 --> 0:12:42.916 part is relaxing your jaw and dropping it and not 0:12:43.116 --> 0:12:46.196 like being like smiley and tense when you're trying to 0:12:46.276 --> 0:12:48.716 hit these notes, because they'll come out a lot more 0:12:49.156 --> 0:12:52.796 forest and maybe pitchy, Whereas when you're relaxed and you're 0:12:52.796 --> 0:12:56.716 just able to kind of let it float freely, it's amazing. Well, 0:12:56.756 --> 0:12:59.156 I always tell people they can think that before they 0:12:59.196 --> 0:13:02.796 get on stage. But let's say it hits you durn 0:13:02.836 --> 0:13:06.156 a song. You can always trigger it in your mind 0:13:06.316 --> 0:13:08.996 by oh, I'm starting to feel tense and tight or whatever, 0:13:09.556 --> 0:13:11.716 just start loosening up your mouth right in the middle 0:13:11.716 --> 0:13:14.156 of the song. You know, it's not one of those things. 0:13:14.196 --> 0:13:17.316 Oh well, now I'm you know, too far in. Yeah, exactly, 0:13:17.356 --> 0:13:19.676 I'm down that road. I can't turn back. You can 0:13:19.876 --> 0:13:24.436 always feel that sigh, that feeling of loosening your mouth, relaxing, 0:13:24.436 --> 0:13:26.556 and like you said, dropping your jaw, which I think 0:13:26.596 --> 0:13:32.476 is so important when everything is getting tense. Now, don't 0:13:32.516 --> 0:13:35.636 go anywhere. When we come back. Sabrina talks about another 0:13:35.716 --> 0:13:39.516 helpful vocal practice, one that kind of confuses people. My 0:13:39.636 --> 0:13:41.596 fans always ask me why all of a sudden I'm 0:13:41.596 --> 0:13:44.436 a different person, and why I don't sound like myself 0:13:44.596 --> 0:13:57.116 or why I suddenly sound so much calmer. Thanks for 0:13:57.196 --> 0:14:00.276 listening to Backstage Pass. Let's get back to my conversation 0:14:00.356 --> 0:14:03.316 with Sabrina Carpenter. I wanted her to talk about what 0:14:03.396 --> 0:14:06.596 a concert day looks like for her. I mean, for me, 0:14:06.716 --> 0:14:09.956 it starts with being able to like wake up my 0:14:10.036 --> 0:14:12.476 voice early in the morning, lots of hydration, and then 0:14:12.556 --> 0:14:15.956 doing my warm ups and preserving my voice. I'm always 0:14:15.996 --> 0:14:18.636 talking up here like this. My fans always ask me 0:14:18.676 --> 0:14:21.316 why all the sudden, I'm a different person, and why 0:14:21.316 --> 0:14:23.916 I don't sound like myself or why I suddenly sound 0:14:23.956 --> 0:14:26.356 so much calmer, and why they can't hear anything I'm saying. 0:14:26.596 --> 0:14:28.036 And I was like, it's because I want to sound 0:14:28.036 --> 0:14:32.396 good on stage tonight, you know. So yeah, I mean 0:14:32.396 --> 0:14:34.316 it's doing whatever it takes to take care of my 0:14:34.396 --> 0:14:36.756 voice before the show and preserve it as much as possible. Right. 0:14:36.836 --> 0:14:40.156 I remember one time saying to you, I liked it 0:14:40.236 --> 0:14:43.916 that you were keeping the dressing room pretty empty and 0:14:44.036 --> 0:14:46.876 pretty quiet, and I thought that was really smart. But 0:14:46.916 --> 0:14:49.036 I said, are you doing that to preserve your voice 0:14:49.196 --> 0:14:51.516 or because you want to be in your thoughts or whatever? 0:14:51.556 --> 0:14:55.196 And you said something that was really interesting. You said, well, 0:14:55.236 --> 0:14:57.836 if I'm having conversations with people in the dressing room, 0:14:58.156 --> 0:15:01.636 there might be unfinished conversations or thoughts that I then 0:15:01.756 --> 0:15:04.156 carry on stage with me. Yeah. I want to be 0:15:04.236 --> 0:15:06.356 as much of a blank canvas when I get on 0:15:06.356 --> 0:15:09.076 stage as possible. There's obviously going to be things happen 0:15:09.356 --> 0:15:11.876 in your life off stage, which is why I admire 0:15:11.956 --> 0:15:15.916 performers so much, for all the crazy conditions they might 0:15:15.916 --> 0:15:17.716 be going through, and then they still are able to 0:15:17.756 --> 0:15:20.636 just like ignore it all input on a show, and 0:15:20.676 --> 0:15:23.276 I think it's something that I'm still learning how to do. 0:15:23.356 --> 0:15:26.636 But if I can kind of minimize the noise as 0:15:26.716 --> 0:15:28.316 much as I can before I get on stage, even 0:15:28.356 --> 0:15:30.116 if it's just an hour, I think that's what I 0:15:30.316 --> 0:15:32.436 started to do, as I would start to ask my 0:15:32.556 --> 0:15:35.036 band and my crew just for an hour before I 0:15:35.076 --> 0:15:38.756 went on stage to be able to be with myself, 0:15:38.916 --> 0:15:40.596 you know, if I need to listen to music, or 0:15:40.636 --> 0:15:43.276 if I need to just rest my voice as much 0:15:43.276 --> 0:15:47.236 as possible and not be mid conversation, mid thought with 0:15:47.276 --> 0:15:49.556 people when I'm going on stage. I think it's really 0:15:49.596 --> 0:15:53.516 helpful for me. I know, you write a lot, and 0:15:53.636 --> 0:15:56.276 I'm just curious, like, where do you draw inspiration. It 0:15:56.476 --> 0:16:00.116 totally depends on where I'm at in my life. I 0:16:00.156 --> 0:16:03.516 think I've always always, always pulled from my real life experiences, though, 0:16:03.916 --> 0:16:06.196 even if it means it's kind of like, you know, 0:16:06.396 --> 0:16:08.716 a song that not everybody can relate to, like sue me. 0:16:09.196 --> 0:16:11.516 To me, those are the songs that have translated the 0:16:11.556 --> 0:16:14.436 best to the people that have been listening because it 0:16:14.436 --> 0:16:17.276 feels really real and it feels super close to me 0:16:17.316 --> 0:16:18.756 and they feel like they're getting a part of me 0:16:18.876 --> 0:16:22.276 that they don't see all the time because I'm kind 0:16:22.276 --> 0:16:24.836 of digging into I'm tapping into a part of myself 0:16:24.836 --> 0:16:27.756 that maybe I don't share all the time that I'm 0:16:27.796 --> 0:16:29.836 able to kind of feel more comfortable to share in 0:16:29.876 --> 0:16:33.116 my music. How old were you when you wrote SUMEI? 0:16:33.636 --> 0:16:39.156 I think I had just turned eighteen, And I mean 0:16:39.236 --> 0:16:42.076 people know that you really were sued, and I know 0:16:42.116 --> 0:16:46.836 you can't really talk about the details of it nervous laughter. Yeah, 0:16:46.876 --> 0:16:49.556 but what I thought was so great is you took 0:16:49.676 --> 0:16:54.476 that horribly old, overdone cliche turning lemons into lemonade kind 0:16:54.516 --> 0:16:57.196 of thing. But that's really what that song was, right. 0:16:57.556 --> 0:16:59.676 It was able to kind of, you know, be formed 0:16:59.716 --> 0:17:02.036 into something that sounds like a breakup song, but in 0:17:02.076 --> 0:17:05.956 any sense of at the end of a relationship, that 0:17:06.036 --> 0:17:08.836 way that you feel when you know they see you 0:17:08.876 --> 0:17:28.876 doing well and they're upset about it. I thought that 0:17:28.876 --> 0:17:32.836 that was a really powerful way to stand up for yourself. 0:17:33.236 --> 0:17:36.996 And no matter the outcome of the lawsuit, you were saying, 0:17:36.996 --> 0:17:39.556 I'm coming out victorious because I'm I'm gonna say that 0:17:39.876 --> 0:17:42.356 it's me. I did it. I did everything, And I 0:17:42.356 --> 0:17:44.396 think that that song was, like you said, a huge 0:17:44.396 --> 0:17:46.156 one for me, no matter what happened to the song, 0:17:46.236 --> 0:17:48.996 because it just felt like I was able to really 0:17:49.436 --> 0:17:52.916 bring that situation that was kind of a negative situation 0:17:53.036 --> 0:17:55.636 and bring it full circle to a place where now 0:17:55.676 --> 0:17:58.156 I'm on stage and I hear people singing it back 0:17:58.236 --> 0:17:59.796 to me, and I'm like, oh, I can't even remember 0:17:59.836 --> 0:18:01.556 when I got sued, you know, by those people that 0:18:01.596 --> 0:18:03.996 I don't talk to or care about it anymore. When 0:18:03.996 --> 0:18:06.836 you're able to kind of use songs as a time 0:18:06.876 --> 0:18:10.156 capsule for a specific moment, I think that's the most 0:18:10.356 --> 0:18:12.516 beautiful thing because you carry it with you forever. I've 0:18:12.516 --> 0:18:14.436 never been good at keeping a diary, so I think 0:18:14.476 --> 0:18:17.316 that's why I write songs and release them publicly. Even 0:18:17.396 --> 0:18:21.156 though the circumstances are always different, we're all going through 0:18:21.236 --> 0:18:28.996 similar situations. I mean, heartbreak, loss or joy, the honeymoon, stage, 0:18:29.196 --> 0:18:33.036 all of those things. Everyone's experiencing something at some point, 0:18:33.516 --> 0:18:35.836 and I think it's really great because then people who 0:18:35.916 --> 0:18:38.116 love your music, fans, or even people who aren't who 0:18:38.196 --> 0:18:41.076 just happened to hear it, it's that really great feeling 0:18:41.116 --> 0:18:45.076 of it's almost cathartic to sing along absolutely, which is 0:18:45.076 --> 0:18:46.996 something I was going to ask you about do you 0:18:47.116 --> 0:18:49.476 feel what you've sort of answered it. I guess for you, 0:18:49.596 --> 0:18:53.796 writing is cathartic, yes, I mean writing and therapy are 0:18:53.796 --> 0:18:56.956 that through the perfect combination of why I am still 0:18:57.836 --> 0:18:59.876 able to wake up in the morning and do what 0:18:59.916 --> 0:19:02.716 I do. It's true, it's almost like I'm able to 0:19:03.436 --> 0:19:06.076 really understand what I'm feeling. It's like when I see 0:19:06.076 --> 0:19:08.356 it and when I hear it, it's different than when 0:19:08.356 --> 0:19:10.556 it's all just stuck in my head. When I get 0:19:10.556 --> 0:19:13.436 it out into the world, and especially when I sing it, 0:19:13.436 --> 0:19:15.076 it all makes a lot more sense to me, and 0:19:15.156 --> 0:19:17.796 it's kind of guiding me throughout my life. It's the 0:19:17.876 --> 0:19:20.396 thing that's been able to keep me going. And songs 0:19:20.436 --> 0:19:22.796 too that are older that I go back and listen 0:19:22.836 --> 0:19:25.436 to them, I'm like, huh, that's how I was able 0:19:25.436 --> 0:19:28.956 to get through that situation. So yeah, the most therapeutic 0:19:28.996 --> 0:19:31.396 thing I can think of in my life. That's really 0:19:31.436 --> 0:19:35.876 interesting that writing it and then performing it clarifies the situation. 0:19:36.356 --> 0:19:39.116 Sometimes by the time I perform songs, they have a 0:19:39.156 --> 0:19:42.036 completely different meaning. I'll write the song about something, and 0:19:42.076 --> 0:19:45.956 then a year later it's about something or someone completely different, 0:19:45.996 --> 0:19:49.276 and it still applies because you know, these patterns repeat 0:19:49.316 --> 0:19:53.516 themselves sometimes, and yeah, I think that that's also really incredible. 0:19:54.356 --> 0:19:57.236 I know something about patterns repeating themselves. But wait a 0:19:57.276 --> 0:19:59.356 minute that I'm going to save that for my therapy 0:19:59.396 --> 0:20:02.316 session this week. All right, let's just keep going so 0:20:02.556 --> 0:20:05.356 you don't just sing. You've also been acting in TV shows, 0:20:05.356 --> 0:20:08.356 in movies like the Netflix film Work and the Disney 0:20:08.436 --> 0:20:12.436 musical drama Clouds was really a sweet movie. Yeah, And 0:20:12.476 --> 0:20:14.916 the best compliment I can give you is that I 0:20:14.996 --> 0:20:19.036 really lost you in the movie, Like I just stopped 0:20:19.076 --> 0:20:22.356 thinking about you. Hey, you know, I really felt like 0:20:22.636 --> 0:20:25.876 that character you were was so not Sabrina. Oh wow, 0:20:26.076 --> 0:20:27.716 that means the world to me. And I thought it 0:20:27.756 --> 0:20:30.276 was beautiful and I love that you're singing. Also, it 0:20:30.356 --> 0:20:34.556 wasn't your Sabrina Carpenter singing. It was a different voice. Yeah, 0:20:34.596 --> 0:20:36.996 totally different. I thought it was beautiful. That actually like 0:20:37.076 --> 0:20:40.356 makes me so excited that you, more than anybody, like 0:20:40.396 --> 0:20:42.276 recognize that and paid attention to it because I know 0:20:42.316 --> 0:20:44.676 that you know when you're singing through the lens of 0:20:44.716 --> 0:20:46.916 a different character like I was. Also, you know, Sammy 0:20:46.916 --> 0:20:48.916 Brown's a real person in life, and that's the person 0:20:48.996 --> 0:20:51.276 I was playing in clouds. She's a real person. Her 0:20:51.396 --> 0:20:54.556 voice and her tone completely different from mine. Completely, style 0:20:54.596 --> 0:20:56.516 of music, the way that she sings, the way that 0:20:56.556 --> 0:20:59.756 she is on stage is super different from me. Yeah, 0:20:59.916 --> 0:21:02.116