1 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:24,276 Speaker 1: Pushkin. In my hometown Pennsylvania. I would always go to 2 00:00:24,316 --> 00:00:26,876 Speaker 1: this restaurant and it was this way just named Patty, 3 00:00:26,916 --> 00:00:28,996 Speaker 1: and she was very sweet. I was six years old 4 00:00:29,316 --> 00:00:31,476 Speaker 1: and I remember she was like, it's my birthday and 5 00:00:31,516 --> 00:00:32,956 Speaker 1: I was like, I'll sing you happy birthday, and I 6 00:00:32,956 --> 00:00:34,996 Speaker 1: sang her Happy birthday. And then she would bring me 7 00:00:34,996 --> 00:00:36,876 Speaker 1: around to tables every time we would go eat and 8 00:00:36,916 --> 00:00:38,196 Speaker 1: be like is this person's birthday? Like we do you 9 00:00:38,196 --> 00:00:40,956 Speaker 1: see them every birthday? And I was like sure. And 10 00:00:40,956 --> 00:00:43,036 Speaker 1: then like people would like give me money and I'd 11 00:00:43,036 --> 00:00:44,636 Speaker 1: be like thank you. My parents were like you can't 12 00:00:44,636 --> 00:00:47,516 Speaker 1: take that, Sabrina, what are you doing? You're six? And 13 00:00:47,556 --> 00:00:49,716 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm trying to build a career. What 14 00:00:49,756 --> 00:00:54,436 Speaker 1: do you mean. I gotta start somewhere. That's the ambitious 15 00:00:54,476 --> 00:00:57,836 Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter that I know and love, and she did 16 00:00:57,916 --> 00:01:01,676 Speaker 1: turn those childhood dreams into a real career. She started 17 00:01:01,796 --> 00:01:05,796 Speaker 1: multiple movies and TV shows, including Girl Meets World. She 18 00:01:05,956 --> 00:01:08,876 Speaker 1: even played the lead in Broadways Mean Girls. You might 19 00:01:08,916 --> 00:01:12,076 Speaker 1: know from her popular songs on My Way, Skin and 20 00:01:12,236 --> 00:01:28,356 Speaker 1: Thumbs and so keep Death Dumb. The fact that I 21 00:01:28,436 --> 00:01:30,516 Speaker 1: knew at such a young age like this is what 22 00:01:30,556 --> 00:01:31,956 Speaker 1: I want to do for the rest of my life, 23 00:01:32,196 --> 00:01:34,836 Speaker 1: and then I've been able to do it, Like I 24 00:01:34,916 --> 00:01:37,636 Speaker 1: just don't know what else I would ever want to do, 25 00:01:37,716 --> 00:01:40,076 Speaker 1: and so I am very grateful and very lucky. Do 26 00:01:40,116 --> 00:01:43,316 Speaker 1: you remember what age where you actually thought this is 27 00:01:43,356 --> 00:01:45,636 Speaker 1: what I want to do. I was six. It was 28 00:01:45,716 --> 00:01:50,156 Speaker 1: so vivid. I remember watching the pilot episode of Hannah Montana. 29 00:01:50,676 --> 00:01:53,756 Speaker 1: You know, it was Disney's first sort of like show 30 00:01:53,756 --> 00:01:56,716 Speaker 1: about a pop star, like a singer, and I was 31 00:01:56,756 --> 00:01:58,596 Speaker 1: just like, oh my gosh, like I want to do that. 32 00:01:58,796 --> 00:02:00,516 Speaker 1: And so I think after that it kind of was 33 00:02:00,596 --> 00:02:03,516 Speaker 1: essentially just like my goal and I just would always 34 00:02:03,596 --> 00:02:06,516 Speaker 1: draw little pictures of myself like performing for arenas, And 35 00:02:06,916 --> 00:02:08,956 Speaker 1: I was very much like a person that liked to 36 00:02:09,316 --> 00:02:12,916 Speaker 1: down my manifestations and goals and write songs about wanting 37 00:02:12,956 --> 00:02:15,276 Speaker 1: to do that and just always putting it out into 38 00:02:15,276 --> 00:02:19,436 Speaker 1: the universe. So I think the universe listened slightly. I'm 39 00:02:19,476 --> 00:02:22,236 Speaker 1: still listening, but I mean it's it's very powerful that 40 00:02:22,316 --> 00:02:27,876 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. This is backstage pass and I'm Eric Betrow. 41 00:02:28,036 --> 00:02:31,316 Speaker 1: I'm a vocal coach to some pretty successful singers on 42 00:02:31,356 --> 00:02:33,876 Speaker 1: this show. I talked to my students about their lives, 43 00:02:33,956 --> 00:02:37,436 Speaker 1: their biggest insecurities, and how they keep building their careers. 44 00:02:38,036 --> 00:02:41,156 Speaker 1: People think the great singers only rely on their natural talents, 45 00:02:41,316 --> 00:02:44,316 Speaker 1: but finding your voice takes a lot of work. Together 46 00:02:44,396 --> 00:02:47,236 Speaker 1: will explore what it really takes to make it big. 47 00:02:51,756 --> 00:02:54,156 Speaker 1: Do you remember one of the first songs you would 48 00:02:54,196 --> 00:02:56,556 Speaker 1: sing when you were younger, like a go to song? 49 00:02:56,996 --> 00:02:59,796 Speaker 1: My mom and dad had such a different music taste. 50 00:02:59,796 --> 00:03:04,956 Speaker 1: My mom was Edda James and Patsy Klein and Maretha Franklin, 51 00:03:05,916 --> 00:03:09,476 Speaker 1: and my dad was like Rush and Ozzie Osbourne and 52 00:03:09,676 --> 00:03:12,996 Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, So they were they were very diverse. But 53 00:03:13,036 --> 00:03:16,116 Speaker 1: I think one of the first songs I ever learned 54 00:03:16,156 --> 00:03:19,516 Speaker 1: was Crazy by Patsy Klein. I was like six or seven, 55 00:03:19,876 --> 00:03:21,636 Speaker 1: and did you sing it a lot? I sang it 56 00:03:21,676 --> 00:03:23,636 Speaker 1: a lot, and it would be that kind of song. 57 00:03:23,676 --> 00:03:25,476 Speaker 1: It would be that or like a Christina agulara song 58 00:03:25,516 --> 00:03:28,396 Speaker 1: that I would take into like auditions because everyone's always like, hey, 59 00:03:28,396 --> 00:03:30,636 Speaker 1: do you sing by the way, and then expecting me 60 00:03:30,676 --> 00:03:34,276 Speaker 1: to sing a Disney song or something, and I'd be like, 61 00:03:35,516 --> 00:03:37,876 Speaker 1: it's like what you probably thought, like, why is she 62 00:03:37,956 --> 00:03:41,196 Speaker 1: a grown man in a small small body? Well, I 63 00:03:41,236 --> 00:03:43,876 Speaker 1: think I did think that I think you sang at last, 64 00:03:44,036 --> 00:03:46,716 Speaker 1: and I was or maybe crazy, and I was like, God, 65 00:03:46,796 --> 00:03:49,396 Speaker 1: she's twelve years old and she's singing this song. Yeah, 66 00:03:49,436 --> 00:03:52,676 Speaker 1: I've known you since I was twelve. It's amazing to me. 67 00:03:52,836 --> 00:03:56,436 Speaker 1: I mean, if that time flew by. It's been such 68 00:03:56,476 --> 00:03:58,956 Speaker 1: a roller coaster, and I feel like you've you've seen 69 00:03:58,956 --> 00:04:01,756 Speaker 1: me in such interesting like phases of my life now, 70 00:04:01,836 --> 00:04:04,756 Speaker 1: which is wild, and I'm very grateful for it. You know, 71 00:04:04,756 --> 00:04:06,756 Speaker 1: when I met you, you were a bit of a mystery. 72 00:04:06,796 --> 00:04:09,756 Speaker 1: I've told you this before. You were such a combination 73 00:04:09,876 --> 00:04:12,636 Speaker 1: of so many different things. You looked so young. I 74 00:04:12,676 --> 00:04:14,676 Speaker 1: could barely see your face because you had all this blond, 75 00:04:14,756 --> 00:04:17,476 Speaker 1: curly hair. But then when you started talking, you were 76 00:04:17,556 --> 00:04:20,356 Speaker 1: very confident and kind of growing up. But then the 77 00:04:20,396 --> 00:04:22,156 Speaker 1: next minute you would laugh, and I go, oh, yeah, 78 00:04:22,196 --> 00:04:24,276 Speaker 1: she is really young. Then the next minute you'd say 79 00:04:24,316 --> 00:04:28,196 Speaker 1: something very bold. And I remember when Bill, your managers, said, so, 80 00:04:28,236 --> 00:04:30,116 Speaker 1: how is the session with Sabrina? What do you think? 81 00:04:30,156 --> 00:04:33,516 Speaker 1: I was like, I have no idea whatsoever. I don't know. 82 00:04:34,196 --> 00:04:36,156 Speaker 1: Let me do another lesson with her, then I'll tell you. 83 00:04:36,196 --> 00:04:39,716 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you were so many elements and what's 84 00:04:39,756 --> 00:04:42,916 Speaker 1: been so great through the years is see all of 85 00:04:42,956 --> 00:04:47,676 Speaker 1: those different elements progress a person almost into a person. 86 00:04:47,716 --> 00:04:51,076 Speaker 1: But also I think that's what makes you so charismatic 87 00:04:51,116 --> 00:04:53,516 Speaker 1: on stage. I think that when people have a lot 88 00:04:53,556 --> 00:04:57,036 Speaker 1: of different elements to them, they are much more watchable 89 00:04:57,156 --> 00:05:00,916 Speaker 1: and interesting on stage. So it's a big compliment from you, well, 90 00:05:01,276 --> 00:05:03,516 Speaker 1: twelve years old, I mean, it's amazing, but you're only 91 00:05:03,516 --> 00:05:07,756 Speaker 1: twenty two, so you're saying only, well, it is only 92 00:05:07,836 --> 00:05:10,556 Speaker 1: you've done a lot. I started at an age where 93 00:05:10,596 --> 00:05:14,596 Speaker 1: I was fearless and I was so excited and curious that, 94 00:05:14,676 --> 00:05:17,116 Speaker 1: like I would go into these rooms with these adults 95 00:05:17,196 --> 00:05:20,036 Speaker 1: that normally now that I go into and I'm terrified 96 00:05:20,076 --> 00:05:22,276 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I gotta do a good job. They 97 00:05:22,276 --> 00:05:24,716 Speaker 1: expect a lot from me. I'm twenty two, and back 98 00:05:24,756 --> 00:05:26,556 Speaker 1: then I was ten, and I was like, I'm cute, 99 00:05:26,636 --> 00:05:28,876 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what happens, like they're gonna like me. And 100 00:05:28,916 --> 00:05:30,876 Speaker 1: I think that that's something that I'm very grateful that 101 00:05:30,916 --> 00:05:33,636 Speaker 1: I got to do. I got to experience those things 102 00:05:33,676 --> 00:05:36,156 Speaker 1: at a time where I wasn't overthinking and I wasn't 103 00:05:36,276 --> 00:05:39,236 Speaker 1: boxing myself into what I thought I should be or 104 00:05:39,236 --> 00:05:41,956 Speaker 1: what I thought other people think I should be. I 105 00:05:41,996 --> 00:05:44,116 Speaker 1: had not really thought about that. I mean, I do 106 00:05:44,236 --> 00:05:46,436 Speaker 1: think about young kids when I work with them, that 107 00:05:46,436 --> 00:05:49,276 Speaker 1: they're just not jaded. They don't know how hard or 108 00:05:49,276 --> 00:05:52,636 Speaker 1: how difficult things are going to be. But you saying 109 00:05:52,676 --> 00:05:56,716 Speaker 1: you were fearless at that age, that's a really great observation. Yeah, 110 00:05:56,756 --> 00:05:58,916 Speaker 1: I think I see it now, and it's only because 111 00:05:58,956 --> 00:06:02,356 Speaker 1: I know what I'm capable of now. I think back then, 112 00:06:02,436 --> 00:06:05,396 Speaker 1: you're sort of still learning what you're capable of. You're 113 00:06:05,436 --> 00:06:09,116 Speaker 1: not even thinking about limitations. You're just doing it because 114 00:06:09,236 --> 00:06:11,436 Speaker 1: you're like, this is fun. I love making people smile, 115 00:06:11,476 --> 00:06:13,636 Speaker 1: I love making people laugh. And then as you get older, 116 00:06:13,676 --> 00:06:17,516 Speaker 1: you start to see like, oh, people expect certain things 117 00:06:17,516 --> 00:06:21,436 Speaker 1: from me. I am a brand, I'm a corporation, which 118 00:06:21,476 --> 00:06:23,436 Speaker 1: is not true, but you start to get those things 119 00:06:23,436 --> 00:06:26,236 Speaker 1: in your head as you hear people say them. But 120 00:06:26,396 --> 00:06:30,316 Speaker 1: you know, I always try to remind people, try to 121 00:06:30,396 --> 00:06:34,276 Speaker 1: reconnect with that feeling, try to reconnect with that person 122 00:06:34,836 --> 00:06:37,836 Speaker 1: that you were, and that'll free you from all of that. 123 00:06:38,436 --> 00:06:40,556 Speaker 1: People say so much like you need to go back 124 00:06:40,556 --> 00:06:43,316 Speaker 1: to your roots and remind yourself why you did this 125 00:06:43,356 --> 00:06:45,836 Speaker 1: in the first place. And for me, it's always very 126 00:06:45,836 --> 00:06:48,396 Speaker 1: comforting to go back to the basics of like, oh, 127 00:06:48,476 --> 00:06:51,756 Speaker 1: I just I love singing, I love performing being on 128 00:06:51,796 --> 00:06:54,516 Speaker 1: a stage, I feel the most comfortable and that's why 129 00:06:54,556 --> 00:06:56,596 Speaker 1: I do and that's why I continue to do it. Yeah, 130 00:06:56,716 --> 00:07:00,236 Speaker 1: would you say that that is the most helpful thing 131 00:07:00,276 --> 00:07:03,956 Speaker 1: with you having anxiety or whenever you do have anxiety, 132 00:07:04,036 --> 00:07:06,396 Speaker 1: or is there any other tips you have. I'm still 133 00:07:06,476 --> 00:07:09,596 Speaker 1: navigating it, to be quite honest, so I don't really 134 00:07:09,636 --> 00:07:11,916 Speaker 1: have like the go to this is what I do 135 00:07:11,956 --> 00:07:14,716 Speaker 1: to cure it. I think it's always different. I think 136 00:07:14,796 --> 00:07:19,636 Speaker 1: sometimes you just need to listen to yourself because you 137 00:07:19,676 --> 00:07:22,356 Speaker 1: will be able to tell what you need, whether that's 138 00:07:22,396 --> 00:07:25,396 Speaker 1: space and time to yourself, whether that's just a big 139 00:07:25,476 --> 00:07:28,476 Speaker 1: deep breath and to relax your shoulders, drop your jaw 140 00:07:28,556 --> 00:07:30,716 Speaker 1: and bend forward and hang loose like a rag doll. 141 00:07:30,916 --> 00:07:34,236 Speaker 1: Like I don't my favorite genuinely though, like I do 142 00:07:34,276 --> 00:07:37,276 Speaker 1: that I shake everything out. I just like I get 143 00:07:37,276 --> 00:07:39,276 Speaker 1: it all out of my system. That's sometimes what I 144 00:07:39,356 --> 00:07:41,916 Speaker 1: need and other times, like I need to go on 145 00:07:41,956 --> 00:07:44,836 Speaker 1: a walk, and other times I need to like call 146 00:07:44,876 --> 00:07:48,636 Speaker 1: a friend and you know, decompress it. Just it always depends. 147 00:07:48,716 --> 00:07:51,996 Speaker 1: But when it's like crunch time and you're about to 148 00:07:52,036 --> 00:07:53,636 Speaker 1: go on stage. I think the deep breath is the 149 00:07:53,636 --> 00:07:59,316 Speaker 1: biggest A deep breath inside exactly. Let's talk a little 150 00:07:59,316 --> 00:08:03,476 Speaker 1: bit about preparation, like prepping your voice for a tour, 151 00:08:03,556 --> 00:08:06,516 Speaker 1: because that is a big thing. It takes a lot 152 00:08:06,516 --> 00:08:09,516 Speaker 1: of stamina. It's gonna be hard to just get on 153 00:08:09,596 --> 00:08:13,156 Speaker 1: stage and be able to have the control and breath 154 00:08:13,236 --> 00:08:16,596 Speaker 1: and long capacity to be able to be bopping all 155 00:08:16,636 --> 00:08:19,716 Speaker 1: over the place and singing and have control. And you're 156 00:08:19,756 --> 00:08:22,636 Speaker 1: talking before the show. We've talked about this so many times, 157 00:08:22,916 --> 00:08:24,636 Speaker 1: you know, meet and greets and how much that can 158 00:08:24,676 --> 00:08:27,516 Speaker 1: take your voice away depending on how many people you're 159 00:08:27,556 --> 00:08:30,156 Speaker 1: meeting before a show, and trying to preserve that in 160 00:08:30,196 --> 00:08:32,916 Speaker 1: the smartest way possible. So I think for me, it's 161 00:08:32,916 --> 00:08:36,436 Speaker 1: a combination of working out. Maybe it's doing my warm 162 00:08:36,476 --> 00:08:38,956 Speaker 1: ups like on the treadmill, just so I'm moving and 163 00:08:38,956 --> 00:08:42,436 Speaker 1: singing at the same time. Obviously, it's singing and warming 164 00:08:42,516 --> 00:08:45,796 Speaker 1: up every single day, practicing the songs, getting them in 165 00:08:45,836 --> 00:08:50,156 Speaker 1: your body. I think we underestimate like repetition as far 166 00:08:50,196 --> 00:08:52,916 Speaker 1: as like the more that you get a song in 167 00:08:52,916 --> 00:08:55,276 Speaker 1: your system and your voice is comfortable with singing that 168 00:08:55,356 --> 00:08:57,116 Speaker 1: and it's in your body, and it's in your bones, 169 00:08:57,156 --> 00:08:59,396 Speaker 1: you don't have to think about it so much. Then 170 00:08:59,436 --> 00:09:01,716 Speaker 1: the rest kind of comes naturally, which is why we 171 00:09:02,076 --> 00:09:05,116 Speaker 1: do like sing these songs over and over again. I 172 00:09:05,156 --> 00:09:07,436 Speaker 1: want to get into a little bit how we did 173 00:09:07,716 --> 00:09:11,156 Speaker 1: prep for a big show. Yeah, you only got a 174 00:09:11,156 --> 00:09:15,676 Speaker 1: few performance this because that gosh darn pandemic closed everything down, 175 00:09:15,836 --> 00:09:20,156 Speaker 1: which was devastating. But did you feel like your prep 176 00:09:20,196 --> 00:09:25,956 Speaker 1: for Mean Girls on Broadway felt different than prepping for 177 00:09:25,956 --> 00:09:29,116 Speaker 1: a tour? And how was it different? Immensely different in 178 00:09:29,116 --> 00:09:30,916 Speaker 1: a great way. I felt like I was ready for 179 00:09:30,956 --> 00:09:34,116 Speaker 1: the Olympics. I was in dance rehearsals, I was in 180 00:09:34,156 --> 00:09:37,596 Speaker 1: scene rehearsals, I was in vocal rehearsals every single day. 181 00:09:37,876 --> 00:09:41,036 Speaker 1: It was the craziest schedule, but I was constantly working 182 00:09:41,036 --> 00:09:45,116 Speaker 1: out my voice and really working on my mixed register 183 00:09:45,156 --> 00:09:47,836 Speaker 1: that I don't use a lot when I'm singing these 184 00:09:47,876 --> 00:09:51,396 Speaker 1: pop songs, because these songs were in a very different 185 00:09:51,396 --> 00:09:53,116 Speaker 1: place for me that I normally used my voice. It 186 00:09:53,156 --> 00:09:55,076 Speaker 1: was a lot more enunciated, it was a lot more open. 187 00:09:55,276 --> 00:09:58,396 Speaker 1: There was a lot more theatrics and personality in some 188 00:09:58,436 --> 00:10:00,476 Speaker 1: of these songs than I would ever have to use 189 00:10:00,556 --> 00:10:02,316 Speaker 1: on a record where I'm close to a microphone in 190 00:10:02,356 --> 00:10:04,876 Speaker 1: the studio and I'm whispering something and you can kind 191 00:10:04,916 --> 00:10:08,036 Speaker 1: of take it easy. Yeah, well, it's interesting. I think 192 00:10:08,076 --> 00:10:10,316 Speaker 1: for people listening if they don't really know a lot 193 00:10:10,356 --> 00:10:13,276 Speaker 1: about voices and singing, they might go, what is she 194 00:10:13,316 --> 00:10:15,476 Speaker 1: talking about with the mix? And you know a lot 195 00:10:15,556 --> 00:10:18,796 Speaker 1: of pop singers, especially when you write your own music, 196 00:10:18,876 --> 00:10:21,116 Speaker 1: you can kind of tailor the music around your voice, 197 00:10:21,116 --> 00:10:23,836 Speaker 1: so you can be in your lower chess voice or 198 00:10:23,876 --> 00:10:27,716 Speaker 1: your upper head voice, you know, falsetto sound, and you 199 00:10:27,756 --> 00:10:30,156 Speaker 1: don't really have to blend them together because you're working 200 00:10:30,196 --> 00:10:32,236 Speaker 1: around it the way you write the music. Whereas in 201 00:10:32,316 --> 00:10:34,916 Speaker 1: Mean Girls you had to sound like you were belting, 202 00:10:35,036 --> 00:10:37,636 Speaker 1: but you couldn't really belt that high in full chess 203 00:10:37,716 --> 00:10:41,596 Speaker 1: voice every single night. Yeah, eight shows a week, especially 204 00:10:41,676 --> 00:10:44,676 Speaker 1: the notes that were really high. So I remember being 205 00:10:45,796 --> 00:10:48,236 Speaker 1: it concerned and excited all at the same time when 206 00:10:48,236 --> 00:10:49,436 Speaker 1: you told me you were going to do it, because 207 00:10:49,436 --> 00:10:51,756 Speaker 1: I thought, well, we've got to make sure to do 208 00:10:51,796 --> 00:10:53,796 Speaker 1: it right in order to maintain your voice so you 209 00:10:53,836 --> 00:10:57,356 Speaker 1: never lose it, but also to work at it. So 210 00:10:57,516 --> 00:10:59,396 Speaker 1: how exciting that you're going to work at this part 211 00:10:59,396 --> 00:11:01,996 Speaker 1: of your voice, which you never really had to do before, 212 00:11:02,476 --> 00:11:04,556 Speaker 1: and now you're going to walk away with a new 213 00:11:04,676 --> 00:11:07,836 Speaker 1: skill and using your voice definitely, And it was so 214 00:11:07,916 --> 00:11:11,276 Speaker 1: exciting to see how much it did grow stronger over 215 00:11:11,316 --> 00:11:13,956 Speaker 1: that time period. And I was hitting notes that maybe 216 00:11:14,036 --> 00:11:15,676 Speaker 1: before I would have taken quite a bit more effort 217 00:11:15,716 --> 00:11:18,196 Speaker 1: because I knew exactly where to place them. I got 218 00:11:18,236 --> 00:11:21,596 Speaker 1: to step into shoes that I don't necessarily get to 219 00:11:21,636 --> 00:11:24,036 Speaker 1: be in all the time, and really stretch myself and 220 00:11:24,076 --> 00:11:27,036 Speaker 1: push myself in a way that I don't always get 221 00:11:27,036 --> 00:11:29,116 Speaker 1: to do when I'm just you know, writing songs for 222 00:11:29,156 --> 00:11:34,076 Speaker 1: Sabrina um my alter ego, right exactly. One of the 223 00:11:34,516 --> 00:11:38,556 Speaker 1: exercises we did to blend the voices was sliding up 224 00:11:38,556 --> 00:11:40,636 Speaker 1: and down. I love my slides and now and you 225 00:11:40,676 --> 00:11:42,756 Speaker 1: told me once that was your favorite. Can you give 226 00:11:42,916 --> 00:11:45,756 Speaker 1: the audience an example of what a slide would sound like? 227 00:11:48,516 --> 00:11:55,076 Speaker 1: And I love the woozy woozy Like doing slides automatically 228 00:11:55,076 --> 00:11:57,676 Speaker 1: like releases a lot of tension because like in that 229 00:11:57,756 --> 00:12:00,596 Speaker 1: short time span, you're using a pretty wide part of 230 00:12:00,596 --> 00:12:03,556 Speaker 1: your register. So yeah, I'm always doing that. Well, I 231 00:12:03,596 --> 00:12:06,396 Speaker 1: love that you said the woozy woozy, do that again, 232 00:12:06,436 --> 00:12:10,556 Speaker 1: so people whoozoo love that because I feel like that 233 00:12:10,636 --> 00:12:14,276 Speaker 1: really grounds people and it calms them because you're you're 234 00:12:14,316 --> 00:12:18,236 Speaker 1: not trying for a specific no, you're not holding a note, 235 00:12:18,316 --> 00:12:21,156 Speaker 1: or you're just letting go. You're loosening up and letting 236 00:12:21,196 --> 00:12:23,156 Speaker 1: it flow. My other favorite thing is when we're doing 237 00:12:23,236 --> 00:12:25,956 Speaker 1: warm ups and you're like, just lose all feeling in 238 00:12:25,996 --> 00:12:28,556 Speaker 1: your mouth and just do whatever exercise we're doing. Is 239 00:12:28,596 --> 00:12:30,836 Speaker 1: if like your tongue is numb and you're just like 240 00:12:30,836 --> 00:12:33,196 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. That to me 241 00:12:33,716 --> 00:12:36,716 Speaker 1: calms down all my face muscles, which are always so 242 00:12:36,796 --> 00:12:40,316 Speaker 1: tense when I'm nervous, and I think like a huge 243 00:12:40,356 --> 00:12:42,916 Speaker 1: part is relaxing your jaw and dropping it and not 244 00:12:43,116 --> 00:12:46,196 Speaker 1: like being like smiley and tense when you're trying to 245 00:12:46,276 --> 00:12:48,716 Speaker 1: hit these notes, because they'll come out a lot more 246 00:12:49,156 --> 00:12:52,796 Speaker 1: forest and maybe pitchy, Whereas when you're relaxed and you're 247 00:12:52,796 --> 00:12:56,716 Speaker 1: just able to kind of let it float freely, it's amazing. Well, 248 00:12:56,756 --> 00:12:59,156 Speaker 1: I always tell people they can think that before they 249 00:12:59,196 --> 00:13:02,796 Speaker 1: get on stage. But let's say it hits you durn 250 00:13:02,836 --> 00:13:06,156 Speaker 1: a song. You can always trigger it in your mind 251 00:13:06,316 --> 00:13:08,996 Speaker 1: by oh, I'm starting to feel tense and tight or whatever, 252 00:13:09,556 --> 00:13:11,716 Speaker 1: just start loosening up your mouth right in the middle 253 00:13:11,716 --> 00:13:14,156 Speaker 1: of the song. You know, it's not one of those things. 254 00:13:14,196 --> 00:13:17,316 Speaker 1: Oh well, now I'm you know, too far in. Yeah, exactly, 255 00:13:17,356 --> 00:13:19,676 Speaker 1: I'm down that road. I can't turn back. You can 256 00:13:19,876 --> 00:13:24,436 Speaker 1: always feel that sigh, that feeling of loosening your mouth, relaxing, 257 00:13:24,436 --> 00:13:26,556 Speaker 1: and like you said, dropping your jaw, which I think 258 00:13:26,596 --> 00:13:32,476 Speaker 1: is so important when everything is getting tense. Now, don't 259 00:13:32,516 --> 00:13:35,636 Speaker 1: go anywhere. When we come back. Sabrina talks about another 260 00:13:35,716 --> 00:13:39,516 Speaker 1: helpful vocal practice, one that kind of confuses people. My 261 00:13:39,636 --> 00:13:41,596 Speaker 1: fans always ask me why all of a sudden I'm 262 00:13:41,596 --> 00:13:44,436 Speaker 1: a different person, and why I don't sound like myself 263 00:13:44,596 --> 00:13:57,116 Speaker 1: or why I suddenly sound so much calmer. Thanks for 264 00:13:57,196 --> 00:14:00,276 Speaker 1: listening to Backstage Pass. Let's get back to my conversation 265 00:14:00,356 --> 00:14:03,316 Speaker 1: with Sabrina Carpenter. I wanted her to talk about what 266 00:14:03,396 --> 00:14:06,596 Speaker 1: a concert day looks like for her. I mean, for me, 267 00:14:06,716 --> 00:14:09,956 Speaker 1: it starts with being able to like wake up my 268 00:14:10,036 --> 00:14:12,476 Speaker 1: voice early in the morning, lots of hydration, and then 269 00:14:12,556 --> 00:14:15,956 Speaker 1: doing my warm ups and preserving my voice. I'm always 270 00:14:15,996 --> 00:14:18,636 Speaker 1: talking up here like this. My fans always ask me 271 00:14:18,676 --> 00:14:21,316 Speaker 1: why all the sudden, I'm a different person, and why 272 00:14:21,316 --> 00:14:23,916 Speaker 1: I don't sound like myself or why I suddenly sound 273 00:14:23,956 --> 00:14:26,356 Speaker 1: so much calmer, and why they can't hear anything I'm saying. 274 00:14:26,596 --> 00:14:28,036 Speaker 1: And I was like, it's because I want to sound 275 00:14:28,036 --> 00:14:32,396 Speaker 1: good on stage tonight, you know. So yeah, I mean 276 00:14:32,396 --> 00:14:34,316 Speaker 1: it's doing whatever it takes to take care of my 277 00:14:34,396 --> 00:14:36,756 Speaker 1: voice before the show and preserve it as much as possible. Right. 278 00:14:36,836 --> 00:14:40,156 Speaker 1: I remember one time saying to you, I liked it 279 00:14:40,236 --> 00:14:43,916 Speaker 1: that you were keeping the dressing room pretty empty and 280 00:14:44,036 --> 00:14:46,876 Speaker 1: pretty quiet, and I thought that was really smart. But 281 00:14:46,916 --> 00:14:49,036 Speaker 1: I said, are you doing that to preserve your voice 282 00:14:49,196 --> 00:14:51,516 Speaker 1: or because you want to be in your thoughts or whatever? 283 00:14:51,556 --> 00:14:55,196 Speaker 1: And you said something that was really interesting. You said, well, 284 00:14:55,236 --> 00:14:57,836 Speaker 1: if I'm having conversations with people in the dressing room, 285 00:14:58,156 --> 00:15:01,636 Speaker 1: there might be unfinished conversations or thoughts that I then 286 00:15:01,756 --> 00:15:04,156 Speaker 1: carry on stage with me. Yeah. I want to be 287 00:15:04,236 --> 00:15:06,356 Speaker 1: as much of a blank canvas when I get on 288 00:15:06,356 --> 00:15:09,076 Speaker 1: stage as possible. There's obviously going to be things happen 289 00:15:09,356 --> 00:15:11,876 Speaker 1: in your life off stage, which is why I admire 290 00:15:11,956 --> 00:15:15,916 Speaker 1: performers so much, for all the crazy conditions they might 291 00:15:15,916 --> 00:15:17,716 Speaker 1: be going through, and then they still are able to 292 00:15:17,756 --> 00:15:20,636 Speaker 1: just like ignore it all input on a show, and 293 00:15:20,676 --> 00:15:23,276 Speaker 1: I think it's something that I'm still learning how to do. 294 00:15:23,356 --> 00:15:26,636 Speaker 1: But if I can kind of minimize the noise as 295 00:15:26,716 --> 00:15:28,316 Speaker 1: much as I can before I get on stage, even 296 00:15:28,356 --> 00:15:30,116 Speaker 1: if it's just an hour, I think that's what I 297 00:15:30,316 --> 00:15:32,436 Speaker 1: started to do, as I would start to ask my 298 00:15:32,556 --> 00:15:35,036 Speaker 1: band and my crew just for an hour before I 299 00:15:35,076 --> 00:15:38,756 Speaker 1: went on stage to be able to be with myself, 300 00:15:38,916 --> 00:15:40,596 Speaker 1: you know, if I need to listen to music, or 301 00:15:40,636 --> 00:15:43,276 Speaker 1: if I need to just rest my voice as much 302 00:15:43,276 --> 00:15:47,236 Speaker 1: as possible and not be mid conversation, mid thought with 303 00:15:47,276 --> 00:15:49,556 Speaker 1: people when I'm going on stage. I think it's really 304 00:15:49,596 --> 00:15:53,516 Speaker 1: helpful for me. I know, you write a lot, and 305 00:15:53,636 --> 00:15:56,276 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like, where do you draw inspiration. It 306 00:15:56,476 --> 00:16:00,116 Speaker 1: totally depends on where I'm at in my life. I 307 00:16:00,156 --> 00:16:03,516 Speaker 1: think I've always always, always pulled from my real life experiences, though, 308 00:16:03,916 --> 00:16:06,196 Speaker 1: even if it means it's kind of like, you know, 309 00:16:06,396 --> 00:16:08,716 Speaker 1: a song that not everybody can relate to, like sue me. 310 00:16:09,196 --> 00:16:11,516 Speaker 1: To me, those are the songs that have translated the 311 00:16:11,556 --> 00:16:14,436 Speaker 1: best to the people that have been listening because it 312 00:16:14,436 --> 00:16:17,276 Speaker 1: feels really real and it feels super close to me 313 00:16:17,316 --> 00:16:18,756 Speaker 1: and they feel like they're getting a part of me 314 00:16:18,876 --> 00:16:22,276 Speaker 1: that they don't see all the time because I'm kind 315 00:16:22,276 --> 00:16:24,836 Speaker 1: of digging into I'm tapping into a part of myself 316 00:16:24,836 --> 00:16:27,756 Speaker 1: that maybe I don't share all the time that I'm 317 00:16:27,796 --> 00:16:29,836 Speaker 1: able to kind of feel more comfortable to share in 318 00:16:29,876 --> 00:16:33,116 Speaker 1: my music. How old were you when you wrote SUMEI? 319 00:16:33,636 --> 00:16:39,156 Speaker 1: I think I had just turned eighteen, And I mean 320 00:16:39,236 --> 00:16:42,076 Speaker 1: people know that you really were sued, and I know 321 00:16:42,116 --> 00:16:46,836 Speaker 1: you can't really talk about the details of it nervous laughter. Yeah, 322 00:16:46,876 --> 00:16:49,556 Speaker 1: but what I thought was so great is you took 323 00:16:49,676 --> 00:16:54,476 Speaker 1: that horribly old, overdone cliche turning lemons into lemonade kind 324 00:16:54,516 --> 00:16:57,196 Speaker 1: of thing. But that's really what that song was, right. 325 00:16:57,556 --> 00:16:59,676 Speaker 1: It was able to kind of, you know, be formed 326 00:16:59,716 --> 00:17:02,036 Speaker 1: into something that sounds like a breakup song, but in 327 00:17:02,076 --> 00:17:05,956 Speaker 1: any sense of at the end of a relationship, that 328 00:17:06,036 --> 00:17:08,836 Speaker 1: way that you feel when you know they see you 329 00:17:08,876 --> 00:17:28,876 Speaker 1: doing well and they're upset about it. I thought that 330 00:17:28,876 --> 00:17:32,836 Speaker 1: that was a really powerful way to stand up for yourself. 331 00:17:33,236 --> 00:17:36,996 Speaker 1: And no matter the outcome of the lawsuit, you were saying, 332 00:17:36,996 --> 00:17:39,556 Speaker 1: I'm coming out victorious because I'm I'm gonna say that 333 00:17:39,876 --> 00:17:42,356 Speaker 1: it's me. I did it. I did everything, And I 334 00:17:42,356 --> 00:17:44,396 Speaker 1: think that that song was, like you said, a huge 335 00:17:44,396 --> 00:17:46,156 Speaker 1: one for me, no matter what happened to the song, 336 00:17:46,236 --> 00:17:48,996 Speaker 1: because it just felt like I was able to really 337 00:17:49,436 --> 00:17:52,916 Speaker 1: bring that situation that was kind of a negative situation 338 00:17:53,036 --> 00:17:55,636 Speaker 1: and bring it full circle to a place where now 339 00:17:55,676 --> 00:17:58,156 Speaker 1: I'm on stage and I hear people singing it back 340 00:17:58,236 --> 00:17:59,796 Speaker 1: to me, and I'm like, oh, I can't even remember 341 00:17:59,836 --> 00:18:01,556 Speaker 1: when I got sued, you know, by those people that 342 00:18:01,596 --> 00:18:03,996 Speaker 1: I don't talk to or care about it anymore. When 343 00:18:03,996 --> 00:18:06,836 Speaker 1: you're able to kind of use songs as a time 344 00:18:06,876 --> 00:18:10,156 Speaker 1: capsule for a specific moment, I think that's the most 345 00:18:10,356 --> 00:18:12,516 Speaker 1: beautiful thing because you carry it with you forever. I've 346 00:18:12,516 --> 00:18:14,436 Speaker 1: never been good at keeping a diary, so I think 347 00:18:14,476 --> 00:18:17,316 Speaker 1: that's why I write songs and release them publicly. Even 348 00:18:17,396 --> 00:18:21,156 Speaker 1: though the circumstances are always different, we're all going through 349 00:18:21,236 --> 00:18:28,996 Speaker 1: similar situations. I mean, heartbreak, loss or joy, the honeymoon, stage, 350 00:18:29,196 --> 00:18:33,036 Speaker 1: all of those things. Everyone's experiencing something at some point, 351 00:18:33,516 --> 00:18:35,836 Speaker 1: and I think it's really great because then people who 352 00:18:35,916 --> 00:18:38,116 Speaker 1: love your music, fans, or even people who aren't who 353 00:18:38,196 --> 00:18:41,076 Speaker 1: just happened to hear it, it's that really great feeling 354 00:18:41,116 --> 00:18:45,076 Speaker 1: of it's almost cathartic to sing along absolutely, which is 355 00:18:45,076 --> 00:18:46,996 Speaker 1: something I was going to ask you about do you 356 00:18:47,116 --> 00:18:49,476 Speaker 1: feel what you've sort of answered it. I guess for you, 357 00:18:49,596 --> 00:18:53,796 Speaker 1: writing is cathartic, yes, I mean writing and therapy are 358 00:18:53,796 --> 00:18:56,956 Speaker 1: that through the perfect combination of why I am still 359 00:18:57,836 --> 00:18:59,876 Speaker 1: able to wake up in the morning and do what 360 00:18:59,916 --> 00:19:02,716 Speaker 1: I do. It's true, it's almost like I'm able to 361 00:19:03,436 --> 00:19:06,076 Speaker 1: really understand what I'm feeling. It's like when I see 362 00:19:06,076 --> 00:19:08,356 Speaker 1: it and when I hear it, it's different than when 363 00:19:08,356 --> 00:19:10,556 Speaker 1: it's all just stuck in my head. When I get 364 00:19:10,556 --> 00:19:13,436 Speaker 1: it out into the world, and especially when I sing it, 365 00:19:13,436 --> 00:19:15,076 Speaker 1: it all makes a lot more sense to me, and 366 00:19:15,156 --> 00:19:17,796 Speaker 1: it's kind of guiding me throughout my life. It's the 367 00:19:17,876 --> 00:19:20,396 Speaker 1: thing that's been able to keep me going. And songs 368 00:19:20,436 --> 00:19:22,796 Speaker 1: too that are older that I go back and listen 369 00:19:22,836 --> 00:19:25,436 Speaker 1: to them, I'm like, huh, that's how I was able 370 00:19:25,436 --> 00:19:28,956 Speaker 1: to get through that situation. So yeah, the most therapeutic 371 00:19:28,996 --> 00:19:31,396 Speaker 1: thing I can think of in my life. That's really 372 00:19:31,436 --> 00:19:35,876 Speaker 1: interesting that writing it and then performing it clarifies the situation. 373 00:19:36,356 --> 00:19:39,116 Speaker 1: Sometimes by the time I perform songs, they have a 374 00:19:39,156 --> 00:19:42,036 Speaker 1: completely different meaning. I'll write the song about something, and 375 00:19:42,076 --> 00:19:45,956 Speaker 1: then a year later it's about something or someone completely different, 376 00:19:45,996 --> 00:19:49,276 Speaker 1: and it still applies because you know, these patterns repeat 377 00:19:49,316 --> 00:19:53,516 Speaker 1: themselves sometimes, and yeah, I think that that's also really incredible. 378 00:19:54,356 --> 00:19:57,236 Speaker 1: I know something about patterns repeating themselves. But wait a 379 00:19:57,276 --> 00:19:59,356 Speaker 1: minute that I'm going to save that for my therapy 380 00:19:59,396 --> 00:20:02,316 Speaker 1: session this week. All right, let's just keep going so 381 00:20:02,556 --> 00:20:05,356 Speaker 1: you don't just sing. You've also been acting in TV shows, 382 00:20:05,356 --> 00:20:08,356 Speaker 1: in movies like the Netflix film Work and the Disney 383 00:20:08,436 --> 00:20:12,436 Speaker 1: musical drama Clouds was really a sweet movie. Yeah, And 384 00:20:12,476 --> 00:20:14,916 Speaker 1: the best compliment I can give you is that I 385 00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:19,036 Speaker 1: really lost you in the movie, Like I just stopped 386 00:20:19,076 --> 00:20:22,356 Speaker 1: thinking about you. Hey, you know, I really felt like 387 00:20:22,636 --> 00:20:25,876 Speaker 1: that character you were was so not Sabrina. Oh wow, 388 00:20:26,076 --> 00:20:27,716 Speaker 1: that means the world to me. And I thought it 389 00:20:27,756 --> 00:20:30,276 Speaker 1: was beautiful and I love that you're singing. Also, it 390 00:20:30,356 --> 00:20:34,556 Speaker 1: wasn't your Sabrina Carpenter singing. It was a different voice. Yeah, 391 00:20:34,596 --> 00:20:36,996 Speaker 1: totally different. I thought it was beautiful. That actually like 392 00:20:37,076 --> 00:20:40,356 Speaker 1: makes me so excited that you, more than anybody, like 393 00:20:40,396 --> 00:20:42,276 Speaker 1: recognize that and paid attention to it because I know 394 00:20:42,316 --> 00:20:44,676 Speaker 1: that you know when you're singing through the lens of 395 00:20:44,716 --> 00:20:46,916 Speaker 1: a different character like I was. Also, you know, Sammy 396 00:20:46,916 --> 00:20:48,916 Speaker 1: Brown's a real person in life, and that's the person 397 00:20:48,996 --> 00:20:51,276 Speaker 1: I was playing in clouds. She's a real person. Her 398 00:20:51,396 --> 00:20:54,556 Speaker 1: voice and her tone completely different from mine. Completely, style 399 00:20:54,596 --> 00:20:56,516 Speaker 1: of music, the way that she sings, the way that 400 00:20:56,556 --> 00:20:59,756 Speaker 1: she is on stage is super different from me. Yeah, 401 00:20:59,916 --> 00:21:02,116 Speaker 1: super different. And you can really hear the difference in 402 00:21:02,116 --> 00:21:07,676 Speaker 1: the style in that song Blueberries Dandy Lions are going 403 00:21:07,716 --> 00:21:12,556 Speaker 1: to see it's muscle landed to feed Tree stand so 404 00:21:12,756 --> 00:21:16,276 Speaker 1: tall and there and hear I stan without of care. 405 00:21:19,036 --> 00:21:22,436 Speaker 1: I love the ability to really give someone else their voice. 406 00:21:22,756 --> 00:21:25,316 Speaker 1: So I'm really glad that you that you notice that. No, 407 00:21:25,476 --> 00:21:27,836 Speaker 1: I loved it, and I also then I watched I 408 00:21:27,876 --> 00:21:29,396 Speaker 1: was just going to watch a little bit of work 409 00:21:29,436 --> 00:21:31,676 Speaker 1: it because I thought it's not really my movie, it's 410 00:21:31,716 --> 00:21:34,356 Speaker 1: not my demographic and then I just got caught up 411 00:21:34,396 --> 00:21:36,036 Speaker 1: in it, so I had to watch it and see 412 00:21:36,036 --> 00:21:37,916 Speaker 1: what was going to happen. But I love that they 413 00:21:37,916 --> 00:21:41,676 Speaker 1: were so diverse. Oh yeah, completely different roles. I'm just 414 00:21:41,716 --> 00:21:45,196 Speaker 1: like dipping all my toes and all that's streaming services. Yeah, 415 00:21:45,316 --> 00:21:47,316 Speaker 1: and I'm writing my album. So I'm like, I'm doing 416 00:21:47,356 --> 00:21:50,196 Speaker 1: all the things right now. When is that album going 417 00:21:50,276 --> 00:21:55,316 Speaker 1: to come out? I can't tell you, okay, but um, 418 00:21:55,596 --> 00:21:58,396 Speaker 1: but I mean, you know, my fans they think that 419 00:21:58,436 --> 00:22:01,156 Speaker 1: I forget about music, when in reality, it's like I 420 00:22:01,156 --> 00:22:04,476 Speaker 1: can't forget about it. I am constantly writing. I think 421 00:22:04,476 --> 00:22:07,156 Speaker 1: I am a little bit more quiet about my process. 422 00:22:07,316 --> 00:22:09,356 Speaker 1: I hate promising things and then not to live ring 423 00:22:09,356 --> 00:22:11,916 Speaker 1: on time, but I also want to be able to 424 00:22:11,956 --> 00:22:14,956 Speaker 1: give them just the best of what I'm able to 425 00:22:14,996 --> 00:22:17,716 Speaker 1: give them. Right well, I can't wait to hear it. 426 00:22:17,876 --> 00:22:20,436 Speaker 1: And I love you, and I'm so glad that we 427 00:22:20,516 --> 00:22:22,876 Speaker 1: did meet when you were twelve. I love you so dearly. 428 00:22:23,076 --> 00:22:26,276 Speaker 1: And this has been really such a pleasure to talk 429 00:22:26,316 --> 00:22:28,156 Speaker 1: to you today, and it's been a pleasure to know 430 00:22:28,276 --> 00:22:30,276 Speaker 1: you for these past ten years, and it'll be a 431 00:22:30,316 --> 00:22:33,076 Speaker 1: pleasure to keep knowing you. Yeah, I'm looking forward to 432 00:22:33,116 --> 00:22:38,076 Speaker 1: the future. Stay right there. If you're like Sabrina and 433 00:22:38,116 --> 00:22:40,836 Speaker 1: want some more vocal techniques to help you relax your voice, 434 00:22:40,876 --> 00:22:43,636 Speaker 1: I've got just the tip for you right after this. 435 00:22:56,316 --> 00:22:58,836 Speaker 1: Now you've heard me say how important I think movement 436 00:22:58,836 --> 00:23:01,076 Speaker 1: could be to loosen up your body and your voice 437 00:23:01,076 --> 00:23:05,236 Speaker 1: while vocalizing. Sometimes it's as simple as singing an exercise 438 00:23:05,316 --> 00:23:08,236 Speaker 1: with a bouncy, loose feeling. So instead of singing an 439 00:23:08,236 --> 00:23:14,836 Speaker 1: exercise like this, B B B baby, you'd sing it 440 00:23:14,916 --> 00:23:23,316 Speaker 1: like this, baby baby, baby, baby be If you're still 441 00:23:23,316 --> 00:23:26,196 Speaker 1: feeling a little tight er tense, try moving your body around. 442 00:23:26,596 --> 00:23:28,516 Speaker 1: Put your arms out in front of you, kind of 443 00:23:28,516 --> 00:23:31,356 Speaker 1: like a zombie, and then bounce them and your head 444 00:23:31,436 --> 00:23:35,276 Speaker 1: to the rhythm as you sing. Basses and baritones start 445 00:23:35,316 --> 00:23:38,236 Speaker 1: on a sea below middle C, sing to the lowest 446 00:23:38,236 --> 00:23:40,516 Speaker 1: note you can go to comfortably, and then to the 447 00:23:40,596 --> 00:24:16,796 Speaker 1: highest note you can sing without straining. Sopranos and elto's 448 00:24:17,076 --> 00:24:20,236 Speaker 1: start on a B flat below middle C. Same thing. 449 00:24:20,596 --> 00:24:22,796 Speaker 1: Sing to the lowest note you can go do comfortably, 450 00:24:23,036 --> 00:24:25,676 Speaker 1: and to the highest note you can sing without straining. 451 00:25:02,276 --> 00:25:05,796 Speaker 1: And that's it. Go have some fun, bounce around, loosen up. 452 00:25:06,476 --> 00:25:08,196 Speaker 1: If you want to share it, I'd love to see 453 00:25:08,196 --> 00:25:11,076 Speaker 1: a video of you doing any of the exercises. Use 454 00:25:11,116 --> 00:25:15,356 Speaker 1: the hashtag Backstage Pass pod on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, or 455 00:25:15,356 --> 00:25:18,316 Speaker 1: wherever you like to post. I can't wait to see 456 00:25:18,316 --> 00:25:34,436 Speaker 1: them happy singing everyone maybe may Backstage Pass with Eric 457 00:25:34,516 --> 00:25:37,516 Speaker 1: Vitro is written and hosted by me Eric Vitro and 458 00:25:37,636 --> 00:25:42,956 Speaker 1: produced by Morgan Jaffee. 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Look, and there's all these like 483 00:27:19,156 --> 00:27:21,796 Speaker 1: amazing people in the industry, and I'm like, I'm always 484 00:27:21,836 --> 00:27:24,316 Speaker 1: saying you because you're one of the few people that, like, 485 00:27:24,836 --> 00:27:26,676 Speaker 1: I feel like has looked out for me over the 486 00:27:26,756 --> 00:27:29,556 Speaker 1: years as a person and as a performer and as 487 00:27:29,596 --> 00:27:32,556 Speaker 1: everything in between. And you do that with a thousand 488 00:27:32,636 --> 00:27:38,156 Speaker 1: people like you're so you amaze me. But anyways, yeah, 489 00:27:38,196 --> 00:27:43,036 Speaker 1: that'll be fifty dollars that Yeah, maybe a hundred