1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Well we'll record Jesus, Okay, let's do it. I'm finishing 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: this thought though. But yeah, it's just like the chance 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: that a politician just has a moment just to show 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: your human and just kind of be like, listen, man, 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: I get it, Castro sucks, I get it, Communism sucks. 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: But then some really good cigars. See, I don't even care, 7 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: Like I mean, I have my opinions about Cuba, which 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: is that they're not particularly any worse than any other 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: kintry out there, right like I can. Yeah, they've done 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of fucked up ship but like I'm living 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: in the United States of America, we have got nothing 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: to talk about there. Um like, let us let us 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: have fucking quality cigars because they are better, like they're 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: they're just very Cuba is the best at making tobacco. 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: Everyone's agreed on this for a long time. Yes, it's 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: objectively better. I just don't know. Yeah, just here's your chance. 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: You know what, let me introduce the show politics. We 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: talked about cigars right now, how it ticks y'all? The 19 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: homie Robert Evans, you know what I'm saying. One of 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: the o g s, one of the b gs that 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: brought your boy into the building, not top Mount Robert Evans, Hey, 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: how is how is it going? Hey there, hello, fellow kids. Good, 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: which leads me to the next thing. I was gonna say, Robert, 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: you white as hale. I'm oh, my god, so white. However, 25 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: however white you're thinking like this whiter just and just 26 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: a big white dude. I got. If I were to 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: describe to you the tacos my mom for mad made 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: for us when I was a kid, you would go, 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: my god, that is that is? I would say, those 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: are not indibly white? That would that would be fair? 31 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: My answers, yeah, oh man, oh man, that's good. Didn't know. 32 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I feel like you're the perfect 33 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: person to talk this through one because you're an expert 34 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: in the topic, and not only the the allegory topic, 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: but also the political topic. And my thought is this, 36 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: you're a rather large white man, and I my backstory 37 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: A lot of people know. By now, I've had a 38 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: chance to move a lot, you know, I've lived in 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: a lot of different environments. Started office out central living 40 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: a lot of grew up with mostly Latinos, went to 41 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: a very diverse high school um and out in the 42 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: Inland Empire, you know, so there's a good amount of 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: white So all that to say, I've had chance to 44 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: spend a decent amount of time with white people, and uh, 45 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: in a in a way that I was able to 46 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: sort of humanize and understand sort of different deep cuts 47 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: and variations of man aids that y'all come in. And 48 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate it now, you know, hopping the bus go 49 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: to go down to Dogtown and skating Nympty pulls, you 50 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and knowing surfer bros, knowing like 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: the pothead white boys and then yeah that was that 52 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: was that was more of my set. Yeah, yeah, white 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying That Like y'all discovered Bob 54 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: Marley one day and back upon the day, yes, and 55 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden your life change once you discovered 56 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: Bob Marley. But the point I'm trying to make is this, 57 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: there's most definitely discovering death. Yes, yeah, that just you 58 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: just oh man, that just made me like you even more. 59 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: That just made me like But there was a life 60 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: and marvelous times. But anyway, yes, yes, uh, there's a 61 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: few things that I've learned and actually applied even to 62 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: my way of life now that I learned from hanging 63 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: white boys. It's y'all are fearless. And I think you're 64 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: fearless in very specific ways because there's some areas that 65 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: like when I would say little things like hey, what 66 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: are you doing this weekend, I'm like, um, go to 67 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: my grandma's house. Where's your grandma live? I would be 68 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: like south Central Los Angeles? And they're like, you're going where? 69 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: And I'm like, WHOA hold up? You're down to jump 70 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: off a cliff when you're scared to go to South Central? 71 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: Like you know, so just this weird. So you have 72 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: a very specific type of fearlessness that I've learned to admire. 73 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: And what that is is you just don't expect knows. Yeah, 74 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: it's I mean because you you don't. You don't get 75 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: a lot of them. You do, but not in the 76 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: kind of way everybody else does, right like you get 77 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: you get. Uh. It's it's kind of like the way 78 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: like you fear the police. Like everyone gets nervous when 79 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: the cops pulling behind them, but like it's a real 80 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: different kind of nervous if you're if you're a white dude, 81 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: because it's not are they going to shoot me? It's 82 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: a maybe. It's at worst, our man, are they're going 83 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: to search my car and find my weed? If you 84 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: grew up somewhere where you know weed is penalized. But 85 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: even then it's it's abstract, and like that's the kind 86 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: of thing. The idea of no is abstract in in 87 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, and it's it's one of those 88 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: things that's like, you know, even beyond because I didn't 89 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: grow up with a lot of um, you know, like family. 90 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: I didn't grow up with really any family money, but 91 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: I did grow up with that, with that um that 92 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: that sense that like, yeah, no is is an abstract Yeah, 93 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: it's it's no is a suggestion. Yeah, I found, you know, 94 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: and and around no, you can get around no. Uh. 95 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: And and also I found just not a fear of consequences. 96 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: And it's just or like you just don't assume they're 97 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: going to be consequences for your actions, or if you do, 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: just talk your way out of it. Is that am 99 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: I tripping? Or is that something like nails? No? That 100 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: that's that's what so I I have always been, you know, 101 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: especially when I'm like partying with mixed race groups of 102 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: people Um, I'm I'm the cop talker guy. I've had 103 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: do it in a number of situations, both in cities 104 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: and like at one point in time, some friends of 105 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 1: mine were getting married in the middle of the woods 106 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: on another friend of mine's property, throwing like a huge 107 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: like light shows and fireworks that we had like a 108 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: perfect like it was crazy as bullshit, and like a 109 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: line of fucking like six police SUVs rolled onto the 110 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: land from a report from the neighbor, and like I 111 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: was tripping on acid and still ran down there, like 112 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: I was the point man to deal with that sort 113 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: of thing, because like, um, I've know even if you're 114 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: fucking tripping on acid and a half naked, if you're 115 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: a tall white guy and you approach the cops in 116 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: the right way, right, there's there's still a way to 117 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: approach them. You can set things off on a good 118 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: or a bad term. But yeah, I've always been like 119 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: that guy. I learned to talk to the cops at 120 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: a very early age. Um, and I got I got 121 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: good at it, and it's some of it is just 122 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: like it doesn't mean you're not like scared of the cops, 123 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: because believe me, I am, um, but it just means 124 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: you It's kind of like if you have spent time 125 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: in the wilderness and you have encountered wild animals that 126 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: could potentially be dangerous, and you know how to handle them, 127 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: like a wild dog or a coyote, you know, a 128 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: pack of coyotes or something. The way to handle them 129 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: is to make yourself seem larger. You act in a 130 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: certain way, you talk in a certain way. Doesn't mean 131 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: you're not also frightened of those animals. It just means 132 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: you know that running away from them isn't isn't the 133 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: probat way to for you to handle them? Yeah? Yeah, 134 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: that see this, this this is perfect. So I feel 135 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: like there's this like because you're like, I know what 136 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm doing, consequences really aren't going to be that bad. 137 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: That like it to me, it's like, so then there's 138 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: no fear of like running into a pack of wild 139 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: animals again, Like, so the lesson I'm going to learn 140 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: is not probably shouldn't go over there, it's if I do, 141 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: it'll be fine. Yeah, it depends, like it depends because 142 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: so so like for a little bit of perspective, the 143 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: first time anybody if her pointed a gun at me, 144 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: it was a cop. I was twelve, so I and 145 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: trigger obviously. Yeah, And again I'm not trying to say 146 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: like it was the same level of freaked out because 147 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: even that, even when that was happening as a kid, 148 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: it was frightening, but I didn't really see the possibility 149 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: that the cop was going to fucking shoot me. Um, 150 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: it was it was just nerve racking. Um. And uh 151 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: so I do I've gotten good at like avoiding them 152 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: to Um, It's just you know, sometimes I guess I've 153 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: been able to accept as as opposed to if I 154 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: didn't have the kind, if I wasn't a fucking big 155 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: white dude, I think I would have made some choices 156 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: that would have not put me in certain situations. And 157 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: instead I was like, well, I'm still going to try 158 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: to avoid interfacing with the police, but if it happens, 159 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: I know how to deal with it, and so I'll 160 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: continue to put myself in these situations where it might happen. Um, 161 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't like a I'm never excited to do it. 162 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: It's never fun to do it. It's also not an 163 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: unknown and it's not I have like a dozen case 164 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: studies in the past. I can look to his times 165 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: like it didn't get fucked up for me. Yes, that's look, 166 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: I I love this. This is this is exactly what 167 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: I wanted to cover. And as a side note, as 168 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: you were explaining, like which I love, It's not that 169 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm not nervous, like when you know, everybody understands, you know, 170 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: on this show that like I propaganda, traveled a lot, 171 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: I did a lot of things, so I was never 172 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: an active gang banger, you know. But I've lived in 173 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: these areas and among them for most of my life, 174 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: and the premise of the show is like understanding how 175 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: everybody knows, understanding how how how they work, and because 176 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: of that, having to figure out how to live my 177 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: normal life in and in between whatever what was happening 178 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: among hood activities. But like we said all the time, 179 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: like the interactions with hood niggas is unavoidable, you know. 180 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: And it's not that I'm not in any other way, 181 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: shape or form. I'm all is aware that this situation 182 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: is dangerous. But I'm not scared in the sense that 183 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. You know what I'm 184 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: saying now to talk to I know what not to 185 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: say to these dudes. I'm not gonna purposefully put myself 186 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: in this situation. You know what I'm saying, Like, if 187 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: I know for a fact, maybe maybe Google is saying 188 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: if I go down sixty, I'll get get to my 189 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: house quicker. I'm like, uh, I'll go down you know, 190 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just not gonna like it is. Yeah, 191 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: you know what depressing what not to press. But there 192 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: was a there was a moment during the protest last 193 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: year where I was filming, you know, some people getting 194 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: arrested because it's you want to keep an eye on 195 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: the cops when they're doing that, because that's when folks 196 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: tend to get sucked up. And there was this was 197 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: during the brief period of time less you're in Portland, 198 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: there was a curfew and a group of cops said like, hey, 199 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: we're going to arrest you because you're out past the curfew. 200 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, the curfew specifically exempts press. 201 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm marked press, I'm doing my job. And he's like, 202 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to arrest you. Like what, you're going to 203 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: get arrested. And the the thing that I said to 204 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: him was and it was because I knew again, I 205 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: I knew that this would work on him. This was 206 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: like the language to use, sir, are you countermanding the 207 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: mayor's orders? Never know to say that, and ituk the 208 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: switch in his head. And it was fine. But then 209 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: there was this protester who came up and started like 210 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: talking shipped to the police, and when the police started 211 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: like threatening him with arrest, he put his hands in 212 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: his pockets and that was like both me and my 213 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: partner like whoa, no, no, no, no, no, put our 214 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: hands up. Yeah, yeah, you do not put your hands 215 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: out sucking pockets around the cop. And it is like 216 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: it is this level of like it's a it's a language, 217 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's the same thing with what 218 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: you're talking about, Like you you understand that language. It's 219 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: not all a verbal language. Some of it's a spatial language, 220 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: like well I could go down this street, but that 221 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: means accepting this and this and this, and I don't 222 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: need that right now, like I don't need it with 223 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: yeah exactly, Yeah, I understand it. So that's great. So 224 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: this is perfect. This episode is one of those kind 225 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: of in some kind of like you know, kind of 226 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: turning turning the the informer and inform E on its head, 227 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: kind of situation. It's not a full you know, Garrison 228 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: read me a story styles, but it's more let's have 229 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: a discussion. I'm not the only expert in this conversation. Conversation. 230 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: Right early on when we joined the I Heart Network, 231 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: I did an episode uh called shut the funk Up 232 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: you ain't gonna do Ship right, And and the premise 233 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: is something that I feel like is what we're getting 234 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: at when if if you're the aggressor, right, and you're 235 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: making choices, doing whatever you're gonna do, and you know 236 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: for a fact there's no consequences because this person you 237 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: pushing towards ain't really gonna do nothing. You just keep 238 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah right, yeah, because you're not gonna you're 239 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: not gonna stop me. Let's just say that it's called 240 00:12:55,679 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: the first mover advantage. And in psychology, yeah, yeah, why 241 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know that you just gave this whole. I 242 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: thought it was that you ain't gonna do ship. No, 243 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: there's a whole. There's a whole. There's a whole, like 244 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: a branch of like evolutionary psychology that studies over confidence, 245 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: and like, OK, why people are over confidence? And it's 246 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: generally because like if you have two people competing for 247 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: a resource and they're equally matched, but one person is 248 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: unreasonably confident he's gonna go for that. The other person 249 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: is likely to back off. He'll get the resource more often, so, 250 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: which is why you gotta call people on ship, you know, like, yeah, 251 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: you just explained the whole You just explained the insurrection 252 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: is yeah, exactly, that's exactly what happened, right, we just 253 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: did it. You just took the way out of the 254 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: whole show, because that's the answer. It's like, it's just 255 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: this type of in a good way, this type of 256 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: over confidence that I'm just so fascinated by. And the 257 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: thought to me was I was looking at it as like, oh, 258 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: because said don't happen to him. M yeah, that is 259 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: why I mean, yeah, yeah. If if that was a 260 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: crowd full of people who had all been like maced 261 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: and arrested and beaten by cops before, they wouldn't have 262 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: tried this ship they tried, they would have had the 263 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: same they would have been thinking what you and I 264 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: were thinking when we watched the insurrection was like, yeah, 265 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: where's the fucking tear gas? Like, where's where's the fucking sticks? 266 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: Y'all still alive. How do you do that? I've seen 267 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: cops shoot moms in the face with like rubber bullets 268 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: over less than this. What are you guys doing? They 269 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: just they walked in, they walked in two the abstract 270 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: version of the US infrastructure, and was like, yeah, I 271 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: ain't gonna do ship and I'm bugging because I'm like okay. 272 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: So many months later, so many investigations later, they were 273 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: right and and and not only were they right, they 274 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: did it again. There was a recent you know, unite 275 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: the Right rally right that happened, uh a few weeks ago, 276 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: right am, I lyon um? I mean they didn't really 277 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: and not a lot of them came to d C, 278 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: but they decent number of them showed up in like 279 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: Salem and a couple other like state capitals. Like they're 280 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: still rallying, you know, they're like yeah, like the Proud 281 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: Boys have not been any less active since their whole 282 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: leadership got rolled up. Um, because it's it's not as 283 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: a cephalis as you know, like some of the people, uh, 284 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, as headless as some of the people confronting them. 285 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: But also it's pretty easy, like you don't have to 286 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: have a strong leadership structure to get a bunch of 287 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: dudes and fucking Fred Perry Polos to show up and 288 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: fight people in a state capital. It doesn't take that much, yes, 289 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: of Fred Perry Polos. God, you have a way with 290 00:15:46,560 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: worse sometimes. Yeah. So I was reading I was reading 291 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: up on the follow up because, like I said, by 292 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: prediction when the insurrection happened was this is going to 293 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: keep happening in certain ways because day ain't gonna get 294 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: no consequences. They're they're not afraid of any sort of 295 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: consequences and if they get them, it'll be a joke. Right. 296 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: So so, uh six according to AP news six you 297 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: know charges right, seventy six federal please right, yeah yeah, 298 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: federal yeah please? Of guilty one full got eight months, yeah, 299 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: so far one and the first sentence got no jail time. 300 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: That oathkeeper probably because she rolled on people Indiana woman, right, Yeah, 301 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: but yeah, no, it's and and I think, you know, 302 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: there's just the thing on Matt out with a judge 303 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: who was very angry at the sentencing, and we should 304 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: be angry about the sentencing. It is a little early 305 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: to say, because again most of them haven't been sentenced yet, 306 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: so we'll we'll see, but I'm not super optimistic, you know. Yeah, 307 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: And even then, Like, here's the thing. I think what 308 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: a lot of them are looking at is how the 309 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: Republican like Congress people have reacted and changed around on 310 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: the insurrection. Because my prediction is that in every Republican 311 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: running is going to be promising pardons for the capital rioters. 312 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: So I think a lot of them are looking at 313 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,719 Speaker 1: this like, well, I either get eight months and if 314 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: I get more is going to around and I'll get 315 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: freed as a you know, political prisoner. Damn. That's my prediction. 316 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: So they're like, if I get it, I'm just gonna 317 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: like take my little vacation, you know, y'all put some 318 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: money on my books. It'll be fine, take care of 319 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: my kids. I see you in Yeah, I mean I'm 320 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: sure it's yeah, if you win the ship's it's like, 321 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: yeah to three years, I mean that's a vacation. Yeah. 322 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: And I'm sure a bunch of I'm sure some of 323 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: them are worried. There's some people who are getting some 324 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: like you know, some who will do some serious time. 325 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: But it's not now what you not even what you 326 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: saw for like the BLM protest last year. You know, 327 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: you've got people looking at like a hunt and not 328 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: what you see for like pipelines. You've got two people 329 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: looking at a hundred and one years for like sabotaging 330 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: pipeline equipment in a very mild way. So when we 331 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: got eight years for a minor act of property destruction 332 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: to stop eight year building of a pipeline, eight years 333 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: and a million something like a million dollars in fines, um, 334 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 1: I'll be surprised if any if not as certainly not 335 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: many capital rioters get any kind of commensurate sentence because, um, yeah, 336 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it really is. Yeah, it really is. Uh. 337 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: Something that you you taught me recently was like you know, 338 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: of which I knew in some senses that this, this 339 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: the insurrection was really like a culmination of a bunch 340 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,719 Speaker 1: of little ones. And I don't know why in my 341 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: brain I didn't tie Jason Kessler and like the you know, 342 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: in the Charlottesville thing into sort of the same almost 343 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: like trajectory of of like incidences that kind of maybe 344 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: culminated in that in my is this a good uh? 345 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: Is that a good read on that? Like? Am I 346 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: saying this wrong or is that no, no, no, I 347 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: think yeah. So I'm wondering if you know of, uh, 348 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: any other scenarios of past things where food's just completely 349 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: got like slaps on their hands for there. Let me 350 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: tell you about Skylar Journe again. And as I tell 351 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: you about Skylar Journe again, I want you to I 352 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: want you to look this type that name in s 353 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: k y l O r j E R in I 354 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: G A N and I hate that I know how 355 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: to spell his name from memory. He's a area. You know, 356 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: he's one of these people talk about like oh it's 357 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys, or is this or that he's one 358 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: of these kind of like in the middle of all 359 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: these groups. He's always there. He's kind of affiliated with 360 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: all of them. I don't think that he has specific 361 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: membership in one of them. For one more time. Skylark 362 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: y l O r l r j Jurne again j J. 363 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: That's why he's a powerful in cell energy. Look, I 364 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: don't want to be like he powerful. And when I 365 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: say powerful in cell energy, I mean he's like very 366 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: obviously in like the videos most madly in love with 367 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: this local white nationalist Hayley Adams, who has no interest 368 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: in him, and he shows up at these protests with 369 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: like knives, tactical gear that like never fits or is 370 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: like anything like reasonable or competent, talking about how he's gonna, 371 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's time to start killing. It's time to 372 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: like saying like fucking school shooters, ship like he's got 373 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: like powerful in cell mash shooter energy. And sure enough, 374 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: last year at a one of these stupid back the 375 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: Blue protests that like twenty of them did, they were 376 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: like leaving and a bunch of anti fascists were yelling 377 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: at them, um, but not like you know, maybe chucking 378 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: bottles at their car as they were leaving, and he 379 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: fired a nine millimeter handgun into a crowd, um, and 380 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: thankfully didn't fucking hit anybody, but everyone knew what was 381 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: gonna happen. He gets charged and arrested for it, and 382 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: he gets off without any jail time firing a gun 383 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: into a crowd. Not a day, not no jail time. 384 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: He's got some fucking probation. Um, he's definitelyna. Meanwhile, again 385 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: there's people doing time for lighting dumpsters on fired um, 386 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: although not the guy they talk about doing time for 387 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: lighting dumpsters and fire because that was a plea bargain 388 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: that included domestic abuse. But whatever. There are people who 389 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: who got time for lighting like trash fires and ship um, 390 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: but Skyler doesn't do any time because he's fucking Skylar, 391 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: because he's because he's a right winger. He's a white 392 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: right wing kid um and continues to show up at 393 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: protests and like I don't know, keeps rolling the dice. 394 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: It's all of these like school shooter dice with these motherfucker's. Um. 395 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: There's another one, Tessa Tala Tozie, who's not a white 396 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 1: guy but is on the right. Was was a big 397 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 1: proud boy until he felt with the Proud boys. And 398 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: it's just kind of like a prominent right wing brawler 399 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: um gets into a lot of like beating people in 400 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: the street, usually as part of like a gang of 401 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: folks beating people in the street. He's the he's the 402 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: dude who got shot in the ankle recently. Uh yeah yeah, 403 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: And that's so that fucking story is so weird. Um. 404 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: So the guy who shot him, it's just more has 405 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: come out about him and he's claiming that he got 406 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: shot by a right winger at an earlier Olympia rally, 407 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: like shot in the arm and the guy who shot him. 408 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: There is a right winger who shot a guy and 409 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: didn't get charged. Um because again the cops don't charge 410 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: these people. Yeah yeah, but this get guy and this 411 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: kid is not white either by the way. Um, so 412 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: it's and was a claims a jester, which is a 413 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: weird career for like an anarchist activist. He's he's a 414 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: strange dude. Um, I don't know much about him, but 415 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: he's he's going to get the book thrown at him, 416 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: like he's already been arrested. He's got like assault with 417 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: a deadly weapon. Um, you know. And it's just like this, 418 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: you can see the another good case and like the 419 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: kind of uh disproportionate nature. So like when there's a 420 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: shooting last year, the one fatal shooting we had over 421 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: this where um Jay Danielson gets shot dead outside of 422 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: and again a parking garage in downtown Portland's by Michael 423 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: Rhinol and the way that like we have video of 424 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: the shooting, it's pretty clear what happened. Jay and this 425 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: other guy he was with, who are both like well 426 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: known right wing brawlers along history of assaulting. People were 427 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: covered in weapons. They had handguns, they had batons, they 428 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: had mace. Uh, there's rumors one of them had a knife. 429 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: And we see on the footage them like running towards 430 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: Mike with weapons in their hands like sticks and mace, 431 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: and he shoots and kills one of them. Um, and 432 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: then he runs, which legally isn't the thing you want 433 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: to do. But Trump bragged later about like they they 434 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: sent the U. S. Marshalls after him, hunted him down 435 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: and gunned down in the street. Um, and Trump bragged like, well, 436 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: we didn't want to arrest him, we just wanted to 437 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: kill him, so we did, like he talked about that. Meanwhile, 438 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: the year before, um, a kid, Sean Keller Heer Armenio 439 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: is the name he went by, who was an anti 440 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: fascist protester, gets run down in the street, like killed 441 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: by a fucking car. And it was very much as this, 442 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: we know, a political murder. The police just have refused 443 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: to investigate it, like they're just not looking into the 444 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: ship at all and any meaningful capacity. He Intercept has 445 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: done really good reporting on like the Portland Police's refusal 446 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: to investigate this kid's murder. And so it is it 447 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: doesn't always break down on racial lines because against some 448 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: of the people who are you know, being uh discommensurately 449 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: punished on the left are white and some of the 450 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: people who are being whose crimes are being ignored on 451 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: the or not. But it's it's all about kind of 452 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: white supremacy and like kind of where you stand on 453 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: on reinforcing that. And if you're if you're supporting those ideals, 454 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: then you can, even if you're not white, to an extent, 455 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: benefit from the laws uh willingness to ignore those kind 456 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: of crimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think that 457 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: what that the lesson they're all learning is that, yeah, 458 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: if we work with these people, y'are not gonna do ship. Yeah, 459 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: like I can get away with the ship until I can't, 460 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: you know, and like any red blooded American, that's what 461 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna do. I'm gonna get away with it until 462 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: I can get away with it. Yep. Yeah. And it's 463 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: it's that's the thing about fascists in general, is they 464 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: take as much as you'll give them. It's the thing 465 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,239 Speaker 1: that punk's learned a long time ago, which is if 466 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: you have like a fucking punk bar and some Nazi 467 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: punks show up, you beat the piss out of them 468 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: that night, because if they get the feeling, one of 469 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: them can come in for a drink and not get hassled. 470 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: He'll bring two friends the next time, and they'll bring 471 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: two friends, and then it's a Nazi bar in a week. 472 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: You see, this is why, this is why we need 473 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 1: to do more cross cultural like punk, hip hop, gangster ship, 474 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: because this is the exact rule in the same episode 475 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: that shut then Up, You're gonna do ship episode that 476 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: which I'm pretty sure if I asked you, you would 477 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: know the same rules. Like a matter of fact, let's 478 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: just test it, because I'm pretty sure you know. Let's 479 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: just say those you're walking out of this punk bar 480 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: by yourself full five Nazi dudes come around the corner, 481 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: and you're like, all right, they're finn A. They're gonna 482 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: jump me, and I'm probably gonna get mocked. So I 483 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: believe that there are three cardinal rules when you know 484 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: you're about to get jumped, and I bet you you're 485 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: gonna get two out of three of these exactly the 486 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: same as mine. So we're your three cardinal rules you 487 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: know you're about to get jumped. Geez Um, it's probably 488 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: been a while, but still protect your fucking head. Number one. UM, 489 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, swing first. Uh, if you know what's 490 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: gonna fucking happen, you know, yeah, go for it and 491 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: uh protect your head. Um, don't pull a fucking knife. 492 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: Um no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're I mean you're 493 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: pretty close because I was, Yeah, we what we say 494 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: is this like my and and it's it's like almost 495 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's almost the same. It's like, 496 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: first of all, yeah, protect my head, you know, don't 497 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: let nobody get behind me, you know what I'm saying, 498 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: because then you're done, and like yes, and one and 499 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: swing first and just go eight ship on one of them, 500 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: Like I just need one of y'all, like like exactly 501 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: one of these. Yes, I don't care mercy list, don't 502 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: play fair, one of y'all knee to go home scarred 503 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: for life. I'm gonna lose, you know, and then find 504 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: my way out. I'm saying, But like, but one do 505 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: y'all need to know? And I and my my My 506 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: theory is like like you said, yea is like that's 507 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: it is universal, like you just know that you have 508 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: to do these things or it's going to happen again. Yeah. Yes, 509 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: they're going to come get you again, you know, and 510 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: because they learned you ain't gonna do ship yep, yep, yeah, 511 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: and you have to you have to. It's the same 512 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: thing like when you're well, no, I probably shouldn't tell 513 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: that story, okay, no, no, Stitchen, Yeah yeah, but you 514 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: know it's you know, it's again you that's the that's 515 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: the hack from the the whole thing where like the 516 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: overconfident like there's this there's this tendency like to talk 517 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: about the Dunning Krueger effect, like everybody knows that now 518 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: it's through the internet. You know, people are over and 519 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: to just be like, well that's just idiots. Idiots are 520 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: overconfident about their abilities, like no, no, no, no no, no, yeah, 521 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: it's they may be wrong about their level of confidence. 522 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: In fact, they generally are and it may be like 523 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: silly in some ways, but it's a good strategy because 524 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: when you're that kind of dumb, you win a lot 525 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: of the time. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's definitely times when 526 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: you're trying to like just because I feel like facts truth, 527 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: well researched stuff. It takes a while to build your argument, 528 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: and it's like you're time the time. It's especially like 529 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: what I found even watching let's just say watching like 530 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: we'll use Trump Trump's debates. It's like in his three minutes, 531 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: the guy said seventy two absolutely false things, you know 532 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And I'm like, I don't know how 533 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: to where do I even start? Like how do I 534 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: But he's so confident about it. It's like I don't 535 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: even know. I don't e Like I'm so demoralized even 536 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: in my ability to try to answer you because he 537 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: was so confident, said it's so fast, it's just truth 538 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: takes a while, Like I have to go, okay, well 539 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: let's go back to this, you know, and then that's boring. 540 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: That's not good TV, that's not good conversational things. So 541 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: it puts me in a position to where it's like, well, 542 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: I guess I'm just like my only answer is like, God, 543 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: you're a freaking idiot. I don't know what you say. 544 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: Well prove me wrong. Like I hate that. I think 545 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: of that, like that meme that goes around where like 546 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: it's a person sitting at a table and it says 547 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: some sort of outlandish thing and then it says proved 548 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: me wrong on the bottom of it. Yeah, although there 549 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: was one that was pretty funny which I saw yesterday, 550 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: which said dim kids Deserved to Die proved me wrong. 551 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: And it was Freddy Krueger, Jason Michael Myers. Right, So 552 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: it was all the guys for like the eighties and 553 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: nineties horror films like you Kids Deserves that proved me wrong. 554 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, no, now you're right, bro. They I 555 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: don't know what the hell they're doing. Why you keep 556 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: going to this lake is beyond staving that lake, staying 557 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: the lake. There's nothing that that lake for you. Nothing there. 558 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: So moving forward, So in the spirit of like what 559 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: we really want to do with politics with it can 560 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: happen here Cool Zone, and even just the tone of 561 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: like my last music and poetry projects, it's the idea 562 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: of like, what's that better future? I feel like sometimes 563 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm I'm pushed into this like conundrum here, like here, 564 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: here's a good example of it. When the whole movement 565 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: of like arrest the cops that killed Brianna Taylor. Yeah, 566 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: you know that, I understand understand it obviously, but you're 567 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: asking me to appeal to the same system that killed 568 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: her to hold her just you know what I'm saying. 569 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: And I'm like, there's and and like here, here, here, 570 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: listen to me, y'all. They ain't break a law, and 571 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: that's the problem you're I'm saying, like, the problem is 572 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: you appealing to a law that ain't there to protect us. 573 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: So then what's our what are so do? I ask 574 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: this babylon that I'm like, I also think needs to 575 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: fall to hold accountable these weirdos that keep getting away 576 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: with ship, which is why it keeps happening. So I'm like, 577 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: what what what do we do? Robert? What do we do? 578 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's sucked up because like like you 579 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: look at um, what's that the fucker's name, the guy 580 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: who killed George Floyd, that piece of ship. You look 581 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: at him getting sentence to murder and going away, and 582 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: um the guy that killed who now the guy who 583 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: murdered George Floyd? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. You look 584 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: at him, and you look at you know the fact 585 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: that he did he did get convicted of murder, and 586 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: it's like it threw us a body. We appreciate it, yeah, 587 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: you yeah, it's good that he's punished and it's not. 588 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: It's not just good that he's punished because like, funk 589 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: that dude. It's good that he's punished because like, maybe 590 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: the next cop he's got his fucking knee on a 591 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: black dude's neck will think twice um, and maybe it'll 592 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: save a life. But it doesn't mean anything about the system. 593 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: The system only convicted shown for a couple of reasons. 594 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: Number one, it was just too far out of the 595 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: fucking like that. It was too too much Like even 596 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: Trump was like, well that's fucked up right, yeah, um, 597 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: but it doesn't like like with Brianna Taylor, it's like, 598 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: do I want those guys to get punished? Well, yeah, 599 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: of course I do. They fucking shot a woman to 600 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: death in her own home for no reason. Yes, I 601 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: would like for them to to suffer as a result 602 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: of that. Um do is there Like it's this weird 603 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: thing where it's like, I don't think it's bad to 604 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: try to hurt those people, especially since it might mean 605 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: other folks like them are less likely to hurt people 606 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: in the future. I don't think it's going to really 607 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: solve anything. As a rule, I don't think it's particularly 608 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: likely to work, which it didn't in Brianna Taylor's kids. 609 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: You know, the best we got out of that was 610 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: at least your fucking boyfriend didn't get sentenced with anything, 611 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: you know. Um, And you know it's this, it's this. 612 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: It's not just this is not just a matter of 613 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,240 Speaker 1: like prosecuting cops who murder people. It's it's a matter 614 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: of like it's a whole question about like electoralism, but 615 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: engaging with the system at all? Is it ever worth 616 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: it to engage with the system? Um? And I don't. 617 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: I don't have an answer for you. I'm not gonna say, 618 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: like I think there's an argument to be made for 619 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: like voting, for trying to prosecute these people for as 620 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,280 Speaker 1: like harm reduction. Um, but it's a not a clear 621 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: it's not an argument that I can say is right. 622 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: It's just an argument, you know. Yeah, Because like I 623 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: go back and forth every day myself on the map. Yes, 624 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: me too. It's like there's the part of me that's 625 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: like you're in the ocean, you gotta swim. I mean, 626 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: this is the system we have, and you know what 627 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So if it's the one we have, I 628 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: think about like the George Floyd Act, that just got 629 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: shut down, you know what I'm saying. So that might 630 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: have done something. That might have done something. But I'm like, 631 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: but I'm like, which one of us is surprised? Yeah, 632 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: that shi got you know what I'm saying, Like that 633 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: it didn't you know, Like it's like like at some 634 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: point you start looking at your own psychosis of like 635 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: why such an abusive relationship here? Man? Like why do 636 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: I keep appealing to you? You know? But I'm but 637 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: at the same time, like you said, I mean, right now, 638 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: it's all we got, you know what I'm saying. So 639 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: then my next thought is like, well, what if we 640 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: on board the homies like us into this system? You 641 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I'm like, it couldn't have been. 642 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: We couldn't have been the first generation that thought of that, 643 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: that's said you know, hey, well what if we elected 644 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: our people and put a bit position you know. I 645 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: mean it's like, I'm feeling this was supposed to end 646 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: on a high note, but this is ending very bleak. Uh. 647 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: But I would ask one more question I would ask 648 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: is like, do you see any predictions moving forward as 649 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: far as like the evolution of this of this of 650 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: this movement? I know. I already know generally because we 651 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: talked about it a trillion times, like where we think 652 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: this is gonna go. But do you think we'll see 653 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: another attempt on the capitol? He I don't know, because 654 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: I think at this point the capital security isn't going 655 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,439 Speaker 1: to allow the exact same thing that happened. I think 656 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: the next attempt on tempt on the capitol will probably 657 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: be electoral and will probably be the result of like 658 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of state level Like at the state level, 659 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: you can you've already seen like these kind of insurrectionist 660 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: Republicans taking over local election offices right to try to 661 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: make sure that they can if the votes go against 662 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: their candidate next time, just ignore them. You know. That's 663 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: the thing that's going to happen, and it's going to 664 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: be And then and then that maybe when a very 665 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: clearly elite like when what they do is very clearly 666 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: illegal but is supported by the Supreme Court and supported 667 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: at the state level by these state level institutions they've 668 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: taken over, then these right wing militias and gangs may 669 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: take to the streets to do violence against the lists 670 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: of people they have. I think that's that's possible that's 671 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: the thing I see is really the threat at the moment. Yeah, 672 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: I've been calling it the what bike energy um. And 673 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: what I mean by that is like you got your 674 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 1: new bike, ride down the street and some guy goes 675 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: as cool bike, let me see it, and you're like, 676 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: you want to let me just use it right quick, 677 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna do ship man, chill. And then they 678 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: start riding your bike and they like thanks, and you're like, yo, 679 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: can I get my bike back? And they're like what bike? 680 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: So like your your bike's gone, you know what I mean. So, 681 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: so it's gone, there's like what bike? And then buy 682 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: your backpack? You know what I'm saying, Yeah what backpack? 683 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: You're just like damn it, you know what I mean. 684 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: So to me, it's like I feel like that's the 685 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: next evolution is the what bike energy. So when you 686 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: go hey, look you know progressive candidate Hey just won 687 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: their district, they're like what candidate? Yeah? Yeah, what can 688 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 1: what candidate? One? What? Yeah? No, they didn't they ain't 689 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: win ship. You're like, uh uh yeah they did. They did? 690 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,959 Speaker 1: They know they didn't. They ain't win ship. We ain't 691 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: see it. I don't see them where they at and 692 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,760 Speaker 1: you're like, God, and it's just and it's like and 693 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: and and in it's like, I reckon, that's gangster ship. 694 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: Like I recognize it. I'm like, that's that's that's the 695 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: route going. It's just and you got and if you 696 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: got the like like you said, the confidence and the 697 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: the lack of fear of consequence, what the hell you 698 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean, y'all ain't gonna do shit? Yeah yeah, yeah, 699 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: that's uh, that's I mean, that's what they're bringing to it. 700 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: That's the energy they're bringing to it. And that's like 701 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: they're taking the steps. Uh. The right answer is to say, 702 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: like this is what and this is what downy um. 703 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: You know, it's not like a hopeless situation because our 704 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: option isn't just sit back and take it um. But 705 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: but you know, there's there are points before we get 706 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: to where the only option is function up. But fucking 707 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: shut up. You know, has to you have to be 708 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: willing to function. Has to be on the table. It 709 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: has to be on the table, because if they know 710 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: it's not on the table, they know you ain't gonna 711 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: do ship there it is. Robert is ready to live 712 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: among the gangs. By that answer, just like fucking sh it. 713 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: Up has to be on the table. It's gonna be 714 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: on the It's got to be on the table, you 715 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you know, and if it's 716 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: not you, you know, you can never get no new shoes, 717 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: You can never get no new bike, no new backpack, 718 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: no nothing, because the second you get it, it's not yours. 719 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: No more. Up has to be on the table. When 720 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: you spend time in in sketchy places, you come to 721 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: learn how to determine whether or not someone is like dangerous, 722 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 1: and any motherfucker can like hurt people or kill people 723 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: if they have like a gun or a knife, because 724 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: weapons are are are inherently are inherently potentially dangerous. But 725 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: there's there are people who are dangerous and you can 726 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 1: you can see it. And what it is, what what 727 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: you can see is like you, violence for you is 728 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: an option in the same way as like pulling a 729 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: flashlight out of my pocket is for me. It's a 730 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: tool and it wouldn't mean any more to you than 731 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 1: pulling that fucking flashlight out of your pocket. It's on 732 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 1: the table for you always and when you when you 733 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: see that in people, you gotta take those people very 734 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,399 Speaker 1: fucking seriously, and yes you do, yes you do. You 735 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: have to just know homie is dangerous. Be cool, you 736 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like we're sitting here, we're enjoying 737 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: a beer right now, you know. And so for me, 738 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: like you know, growing up in between black and Latino neighborhoods, 739 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: how that plays out is very different. I remember, Like 740 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: sitting sitting with the Vatos is usually just that guy. 741 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: Don't never talk louder than this, you don't never talk 742 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: faster than this. And he's like, hey, bro, hey, hey man, 743 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: you need to calm down. Yeah, Like when you get 744 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: to that, you're like he finished, he finished, stab you, 745 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: y'all said, chill because he's about to stab you and 746 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be so fast that like, hey, bro, and 747 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: I think you should relax. Man. Yeah you good. It'll 748 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: be fast and it won't mean anymore to him than 749 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: closing a dead bolt on the door, you know exactly. Yeah, yes, Rob, 750 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you. It's a long time 751 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: coming for pulling up, dropping the knowledge, showing your uh, 752 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: showing you got a little hood pass on you, you 753 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and uh, and just dropping the 754 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: science on us and I see it looks like you've 755 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: got a little haircut, oh jeezy a couple of weeks ago. 756 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's looks good at getting to the 757 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: shaggy stage. But yeah, I'm I'm out of the pandemic 758 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: hair stage. Oh man, there's no way in the world 759 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: my followers don't know who you are. Well, now, there's 760 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: a way in the world they don't know who you are. 761 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: It's it's possible. So shout out all your all your 762 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: things where they could hear you, and you can find 763 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: my podcast every day. It could happen here every week. 764 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: There's Behind the Bastards And I have a book called 765 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: After the Revolution you can find for free on a 766 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,479 Speaker 1: t r book dot com. So dope, thank you so much. 767 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,920 Speaker 1: Shout out Sophie on mute right now. Uh like your 768 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: season coming up. You know what I'm saying. It's about 769 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: to be a good day. And uh, I appreciate you 770 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: pulling up Robert were good. Thank you. Yeah, thanks for 771 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: having hold me, Yes sir, awesome bam. Yeah, y'all, this 772 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: mugg was recorded and edited by me Propaganda right here 773 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: in East low'st Boil Heights, Los Angeles. Y'all can follow 774 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: me at prop hip Hop on all the socials. You 775 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,479 Speaker 1: could follow the Hood Politics Pod itself at Hood Politics Pod, 776 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: where we'll be trying to make takes on stuff that 777 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: aren't really big enough for a whole episode, but definitely 778 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: needs a little bit of clarity. 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