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Speaker 3: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 4: When do we have crystal Many things to discuss this morning.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, after Biden State of the Union,

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Speaker 1: he laid down a red line for Israel, which Babe

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Speaker 1: immediately said he was fully intending to cross. We have

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Speaker 1: additional fallout from the State of the Union, including some

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Speaker 1: pulling about how exactly the public felt that Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: did and we all know how the liberal pundits felt

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Speaker 1: he did toward a force, says Joe Scarborough. So I'll

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Speaker 1: get into all of that. Last night was the Oscars.

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Speaker 1: We have some highlights of some celebrities who were speaking

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Speaker 1: out against Israel's assault on Gaza, which apparently triggered a

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Speaker 4: We'll take you through that.

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Speaker 1: We're also going to be discussing a new bill that

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Speaker 1: targets TikTok soccer and I will have a little discussion

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Speaker 4: On that front. Where is Princess Kate?

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Speaker 1: A new photo has raised many questions among many people

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Speaker 1: and sparked a lot of conspiracies, so we'll this is.

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Speaker 4: Story I don't even know. It is crazy.

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Speaker 1: CNN had a shocking report about those protesters who are

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Speaker 1: blocking AID. We're also getting new details about this temporary

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Speaker 1: I'm taking a look at how Israel tortured you and

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Speaker 1: staffers in order to coerce confessions. Crazy story, so we'll

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Speaker 2: to the Biden interview.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Joe Biden after a State of the Union,

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Speaker 1: seemed to be pretty excited, feeling energized. He actually gave

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Speaker 1: a rare interview, of course too friendly over at MSNBC,

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Speaker 1: but some interesting news was made nonetheless. Specifically, Jonathan Cape

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Speaker 1: part of MSNBC, asked him whether he had any red

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Speaker 4: Listen closely to the response, what is your.

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Speaker 5: Red line with Prime Minister Netanyahu? Do you of a

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Speaker 5: red line? For instance, would invasion of Rapha, which you

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Speaker 6: It is a red line, but I'm never going to

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Speaker 6: leave Israel. The defense of Israel is still critical, so

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Speaker 6: there's no red line. I'm going to cut off all

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Speaker 7: They don't have.

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Speaker 6: But there's red lines that if he crosses in the

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Speaker 6: It's like, well, look, the first time I went over,

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Speaker 1: By so a lot there on the red line, he's

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Speaker 2: reading the text. And in fact, I saw many tortured attempts.

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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal, for example, said Biden has red

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Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of debates around red lines,

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Speaker 2: Asking Trump once like what his red lines were in

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Speaker 2: And I think that's exactly why, because if you say

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Speaker 2: So it fits with the utter pattern of the Biden

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we've seen what the red lines

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Speaker 5: One told Charles Blow of The New York Times that

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Speaker 3: Those are tough words.

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Speaker 5: What's your response to that widely shared sentiment?

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Speaker 6: You guys make judgments, you know you're not capable of making.

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Speaker 6: That's not what all those people said. What they said

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to talk this answer up to delusion

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Speaker 1: because we know the polling, fifty percent of Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: To ascribe the protest movement and the uncommitted votes just

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Speaker 1: It's totally inaccurate and disconnected from reality.

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Speaker 3: And we don't have to.

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Speaker 2: I've said this a million times, but if you just

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Speaker 3: Same in the state of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: So you have very very critical parts of a coalition

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Speaker 2: Now we combine that with RFK Junior, Cornell West, and

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Speaker 2: Crystal says that Trump is going to come out on top.

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Speaker 3: We see some of us in the ceasefire negotiations happening

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Speaker 1: Remember back when Joe Biden was worried about the uncommitted

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Speaker 4: Total bullshit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's also some pretty inflammatory images coming out

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Speaker 6: An undocumented person, and I shouldn't have used the legal

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Speaker 6: don't share to do at all.

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Speaker 5: So you regret using that word, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I regret using it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just it's just perfect like Democratic Party theater.

441
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Speaker 1: Because they most of them, there are a few outliers,

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Speaker 1: I think Cooleion Castro among them, and a couple others

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Speaker 1: who were upset by the direction of the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: on immigration, of the policy choices that they made, of

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Speaker 1: the reaching out the hand to Donald Trump after I mean,

446
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Speaker 1: you remember the reaction against Trump era immigration policies when

447
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Speaker 1: he was president and Democrats were in the opposition, and

448
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Speaker 1: now they, you know, Biden decides we're basically going to

449
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Speaker 1: adopt a lot of their policy. We are going to

450
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Speaker 1: reach out our hand to Donald Trump directly and say, hey,

451
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Speaker 1: how about you we do your border policy.

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Speaker 4: And the objection isn't to that.

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Speaker 1: The objection in the speech isn't to the portion on Gazo,

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Speaker 1: which had a you know, is insane, like the port

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Speaker 1: situation and even the whole framing of that. Instead it's

456
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Speaker 1: to the use of this one word, which again I

457
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Speaker 1: don't love that language either, but that is like, the

458
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Speaker 1: language is so far from my top priority that it's absurd.

459
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Speaker 1: But again it's a classic Democratic Party I.

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Speaker 3: Mean yeah position.

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Speaker 2: For me, it's just like, oh, this is the political

462
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Speaker 2: correctness battle that we're fighting. I mean yeah, the policy

463
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Speaker 2: actually is where the argument that you should be having,

464
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Speaker 2: and we talked about it in our post show. We've

465
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Speaker 2: done our debate here as well. I do also think,

466
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Speaker 2: you know, the optics of it are terrible. It's like

467
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Speaker 2: what you can apologize for saying illegally, you can't apologize for,

468
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Speaker 2: you know, not saying Lake and O'Reilly's name correctly.

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Speaker 3: It's like, well, which one? You know?

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Speaker 2: So if you believe quote unquote no human being is

471
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Speaker 2: different and or not illegal, it's like, well, you're supposed

472
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Speaker 2: to treat them the same.

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Speaker 3: So I was bothered by that.

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Speaker 2: But overall, I just think that the freak out on

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Speaker 2: it by the Democrats.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, nobody is buying this. It all is

477
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Speaker 3: going to come back to And.

478
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Speaker 2: We've talked about that nauseum, Crystal about at the end

479
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Speaker 2: of the day, like if you care about the border

480
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Speaker 2: and it's your number one issue, which it is for

481
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Speaker 2: the vast majority of Republican voters, and there's some pulling

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Speaker 2: out there that shows that it's at least number one

483
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Speaker 2: or number two for a lot of general election. They

484
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Speaker 2: are not paying attention to Biden saying a legal there

485
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Speaker 2: up on the state of the Union. They are like, Okay,

486
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Speaker 2: what are we going to do about the number six

487
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Speaker 2: to eight million migrants that have come into the country

488
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Speaker 2: since and is that an acceptable policy? What's the number

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Speaker 2: that we should have, Are we actually going to have

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Speaker 2: a control boarder, what does security look like? What is

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Speaker 2: the overall consensus in going forward as to like what

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Speaker 2: we accept for overall levels of immigration, et cetera. So

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Speaker 2: you know, focusing here on the political correctness on it

494
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Speaker 2: is ridiculous. I mean that said, I don't think there's

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Speaker 2: anything wrong with the term of the use of illegal

496
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 2: undocumented actually personally drives me insane because it doesn't it's

497
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Speaker 2: a meaningless term, whereas at least here we have a

498
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Speaker 2: clear delineation because somebody who entered under a legal process

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Speaker 2: and or not. That said, you know, with Biden in

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Speaker 2: the way that he's handled this, I just don't think

501
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Speaker 2: he believes anything. I don't know if he saw this.

502
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Speaker 2: I sent this to our group DM for our show.

503
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Speaker 2: I mean, people should go and watch. Maybe I wish

504
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Speaker 2: i'd cut it. Biden's response for the State of the

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Speaker 2: Union to George H. W.

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Speaker 3: Bush.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a Republican like it's He's like, I

508
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Speaker 2: wish that we had longer jail sentences. I wish I

509
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Speaker 2: didn't have to all my mom and worry that somebody's

510
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Speaker 2: going to beat her up. I wish that we could

511
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Speaker 2: control He actually advocated I had no idea in the

512
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Speaker 2: early eight in the late eighties for striking drug cartels

513
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Speaker 2: in Mexico using the US.

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Speaker 3: Military, all of this on camera.

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Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, if anyone's wondering, there was

516
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Speaker 2: no stutter miraculously in that eighties. But see, he doesn't

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Speaker 2: believe anything, but he personally that really bothers me.

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Speaker 4: That is what he actually believes.

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Speaker 3: I don't think what you're just going.

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Speaker 4: Is what he actually believes.

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Speaker 1: That's why he's so willing to you know, the instant

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of political pressure on immigration, he

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Speaker 1: reverts back to where he has been his entire career,

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Speaker 1: and you know, you see it. It is a little

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Speaker 1: bit of like a mass slip moment when he tried

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Speaker 1: to sort of reform himself in the modern democratic era.

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Speaker 4: And we remember those.

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Speaker 1: Debates with the high school Spanish and whatever, you know,

529
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Speaker 1: back of the Democratic primary, trying to fit in with

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Speaker 1: where the Democratic base and where the Democratic Party had moved.

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Speaker 1: But no, I mean him being like, yeah, she's killed

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Speaker 1: by an illegal. That actually is the way that he

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Speaker 1: relates to this issue. And again it's consistent across decades

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Speaker 1: of his career. That's why it's always so preposterous and

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Speaker 1: why I never landed when the right tries to paint

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Speaker 1: him as some like, you know, open borders communists just

537
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Speaker 1: taking his order of marching orders from Bernie and AOC,

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Speaker 1: because he's never been that politician. And you see it also,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he has a certain stubbornness around certain issues,

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Speaker 1: so you see that with Israel too. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he is locked in with He's going to give Israel

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Speaker 1: whatever the hell they want, and it really doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: What they do.

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't you know when you say he doesn't

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Speaker 1: believe anything, he has these sort of reflexes in place,

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Speaker 1: I guess, is what I would say. Yeah, and that

547
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Speaker 1: comes out here and it shows up in.

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Speaker 4: A variety of ways.

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Speaker 1: Occasionally it's a good it's actually good, like when he

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Speaker 1: withdrew from Afghanisty and over the objections of everybody else.

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Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, so in any case, that was

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Speaker 1: that was the area where he got the most pressure

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Speaker 1: is over the use of this one word, which I think.

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Speaker 3: That's very telling to me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and that's why I would say I don't

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Speaker 2: think he believes anything, because I mean, he did drop

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Speaker 2: a lot of what he supposedly believed on immigration. This

558
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Speaker 2: is a man who voted for the fence and made

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Speaker 2: the case for basically a border wall in two thousand

560
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Speaker 2: and seven and then completely flipped.

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Speaker 3: On a dime.

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Speaker 2: So then he rhetorically yeah, I agree, But that's my

563
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Speaker 2: thing is with him, it's just all over the place.

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Speaker 2: And then whenever he I mean, look, let's be honest,

565
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Speaker 2: like whenever he came into office, he did rescind a

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Speaker 2: lot of Trump era policy, and there have been a

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Speaker 2: ton more migrants that have come across the border under him.

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Speaker 2: Now that is not one hundred percent of his fault.

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Speaker 2: A lot of that is pre existing. But you know,

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Speaker 2: in terms of allowing it to fester, I think that

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Speaker 2: it has been a tremendous disservice. And that's part of

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Speaker 2: the reason that you see some of the major flip

573
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Speaker 2: flops is the situation became so untenable and insane and

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Speaker 2: politically toxic specifically with the migrant crissease in the in

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Speaker 2: the blue cities and the sanctuary cities, such that he

576
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Speaker 2: was compelled to at least try and do something with

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Speaker 2: this quote unquote bipartisan border bill. All of that has

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Speaker 2: now come to the place where he doesn't know how

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have a consensus that I think is politically

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Speaker 2: sustainable going into this election. Trump, you know, you can

581
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Speaker 2: criticize it or not. Trump has an answer. He has

582
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Speaker 2: a coherent answer as to what it is, which we

583
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: should shut it down, we should depour people here who

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Speaker 2: are illegally Biden he's all over the place. He actually

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Speaker 2: kind of I think you noted that in his Lake

586
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Speaker 2: and Riley answer if we had the full one, he

587
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: was trying to try and make a point. He's like, well, actually,

588
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Speaker 2: it's like native born people create commit more crimes.

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Speaker 4: It's like legal Yeah, by the way.

590
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Speaker 3: Maybe that's not the right time.

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Speaker 2: And also, I mean, there is a substantive difference between

592
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Speaker 2: somebody shouldn't be here committing a crime and not committing

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Speaker 2: a crime. But it's like he's very tortured in the

594
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Speaker 2: way that he's trying to talk about this, And I

595
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: don't find that politically. I don't find that a political answer.

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Speaker 2: I agree, and it's coherence act. It's not coherent to Trump.

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Speaker 2: It's not coherent. And as I've said a million times,

598
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Speaker 2: you are not going to win the border cruelty race

599
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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump. Not going to do it if your

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Speaker 2: answer quote unquote is to accept the Republican framing that

601
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Speaker 2: the whole situation comes down to how much of how

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Speaker 2: hard asked can we be at the border, how cruel

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Speaker 2: can we be at the border? How much enforcement can

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Speaker 2: we do at the border.

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Speaker 4: If you accept that.

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Speaker 1: Framing, then you are laying the groundwork for Donald Trump's

607
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Speaker 1: arguments to fully land the reality is actually, you know, immigration,

608
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Speaker 1: legal immigration is good for this country.

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Speaker 4: Now it should be controlled.

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Speaker 1: It should be that we don't have chaos at the border,

611
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Speaker 1: that we're able to know who's coming in, etc. But

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Speaker 1: the fact that he completely abandoned that argument, which by

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Speaker 1: the way, has even at a time when there has

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Speaker 1: been a large search in migration, there is a lot

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Speaker 1: of concern about, you know, the level of migration coming

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Speaker 1: across the border, those are still core values that land

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Speaker 1: with the American people because people are complicated, like they

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Speaker 1: feel like, Okay, we should know who's coming in and

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Speaker 1: we should have a handle on this. They also feel

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Speaker 1: like this is a nation of immigrants and that has

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Speaker 1: been a benefit to our country overall. And to totally

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Speaker 1: abandon that argument and just see the ground to the Republicans,

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Speaker 1: I think it's politically foolish. And we've seen this. There

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Speaker 1: was that study of a bunch of different countries in

625
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Speaker 1: Europe where the quote unquote center left politicians tried this

626
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Speaker 1: path that Joe Biden is right now trying, and it

627
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Speaker 1: didn't work out for them for exactly the reason that

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, and not to mention, you know, it really

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Speaker 1: demoralizes the base of the party that thought you meant

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Speaker 1: it when you had a very different line back in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty than you do now. And lord knows the

632
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Speaker 1: Democratic Party already has a big problem with the base.

633
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Speaker 1: So politically, I think this direction is very foolish, you know,

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Speaker 1: putting aside the morality of it, which obviously I disagree.

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Speaker 3: I just wish he would look. It's like, you need

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Speaker 3: a coherent answer, and if.

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Speaker 2: You really believe in the open border stuff, I mean,

638
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Speaker 2: then run on it, like say it fine. I mean,

639
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Speaker 2: I think you'll get your ass kicked at the ballot box,

640
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Speaker 2: and you should be.

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Speaker 3: I think there's big debates to be happy to use orection.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying up in borders, Joe Biden has never

643
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Speaker 4: been open border.

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Speaker 2: Well if you're okay, well, then it's about the definition.

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Speaker 2: If you think that's six to eight million people here

646
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Speaker 2: who are coming basically illegally and taking advantage of asylum loophole,

647
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Speaker 2: and they get to stay here for months, years on

648
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Speaker 2: end with no orderly process and most of them aren't

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Speaker 2: going to leave, then I think that's an open border.

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Speaker 3: I mean think, but.

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Speaker 1: That's objectively what I'm I mean, that's a polar opposite

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Speaker 1: of what I've argued, well, no, which is that we

653
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Speaker 1: should actually have a huge surge in resources to be

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Speaker 1: able to appropriately adjudicate asylum claims like that. I fully

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Speaker 1: support that, but to only have enforcement and to only

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Speaker 1: have cruelty and I mean, you support zero migraine like,

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Speaker 1: I'm wildly opposed to that, and it would be devastating

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Speaker 1: for the economy. You know, we just have gotten reports

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Speaker 1: about how actually part of the reason why we avoided

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Speaker 1: a recession and why we have you know, higher GDP

661
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Speaker 1: than expected, et cetera, is because we have had so

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Speaker 1: many migrants. Migrants have been a benefit of the country. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's a limit to everything, right, of course, if you

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Speaker 1: flood the zone with too many people, it causes friction

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Speaker 1: in terms of getting people adjusted and the job market

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Speaker 1: and all of those things. But net net immigration is

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Speaker 1: a net positive, and I think Joe Biden should be

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Speaker 1: making that case. And by the way, a majority of

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Speaker 1: the American people agree that migration has been a net

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Speaker 1: positive for the United States.

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Speaker 2: Well, the GDP argument is a deeply neoliberal one because

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Speaker 2: it's one where increasing GDP because you have a bunch

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Speaker 2: of unskilled people you can pay.

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Speaker 4: Wages are going to Wages are going up faster than inflation.

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Speaker 2: Wages also dramatically increased from the Trump administration because we

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Speaker 2: specifically had far less immigration.

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Speaker 3: It was just what increased. We know, it's true, you're

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Speaker 3: going to go.

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Speaker 2: We could pull all that out if we want to,

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Speaker 2: all of the wage increases from If you look at

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Speaker 2: the study in Onward.

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Speaker 4: Case migrants from diminished wages.

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Speaker 3: No, No, this is asletely not accepted.

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Speaker 1: That absolutely accepted by almost every mainstream economy that if

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Speaker 1: you look at the overwhelming majority of studies that have

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Speaker 1: been done in this area, increased migration does not diminish wages.

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Speaker 1: It helps uspur the economy. Again, I'm not saying open borders,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying completely unlimited, but I think that there

689
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Speaker 1: is a strong case to be made that increasing migration

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Speaker 1: is good for the country. We can see it in

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Speaker 1: economic numbers that are coming out right now, and I

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Speaker 1: think Joe Biden was on stronger ground when he was

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Speaker 1: willing to make that cout.

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Speaker 2: Much of this comes back to conflating people who are

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Speaker 2: high skilled migrants people who are Indian, specifically h one

696
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Speaker 2: b visas using their wages and are drawing them into

697
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Speaker 2: low cost If you look at the sub fifteen dollars

698
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Speaker 2: per hour level, it.

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Speaker 3: Is very clear. I mean, look, this is the basic

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Speaker 3: supply and demand.

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Speaker 2: If you have millions of people who are coming here

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Speaker 2: who are unskilled, and you have a domestic population who

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Speaker 2: has to compete against them for wages, what's going to now?

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Speaker 1: But that just assumes that the economy is this set

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Speaker 1: thing and the number of jobs is this set thing,

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Speaker 1: which is not the way that an economy actually works.

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Speaker 1: The thing that does can depress wages is if you

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Speaker 1: have a large undocumented population being paid sub minimum wage

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Speaker 1: with no labor protections under the table. That is a

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Speaker 1: problem for native born workers who have to compete with

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Speaker 1: you know, with that situation. But that's why you should

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Speaker 1: have a path to citizenship and you should have a

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Speaker 1: legalization process so that people are working in the shadows

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Speaker 1: and are subject to the same you know, competitive landscape

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Speaker 1: as every other worker.

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Speaker 2: Well okay, but again you know we're talking about rewarding

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Speaker 2: bad behavior which is coming here illegally. This all comes

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Speaker 2: down to seeing people as widgets and units instead of citizens.

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Speaker 2: Like citizens are the ones who get first grabs and

720
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Speaker 2: should have the benefit of the economy. They are the

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Speaker 2: ones who should have the first shot at anything. Then

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Speaker 2: we can make a coherent decision. We can take actual analysis.

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Speaker 2: Right now, the current status quo is outrageous that it

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Speaker 2: has been for twenty five years or so. There're probably

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Speaker 2: nobody knows the number. It's probably between twenty five to

726
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Speaker 2: thirty million. That's is hig that I have seen of

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Speaker 2: the illegal population in the United States. I mean, you

728
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Speaker 2: can't say with a straight face it's not going to

729
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Speaker 2: have a huge impact on the economy, especially when positive one. No,

730
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Speaker 2: but we have no idea whether we have no idea

731
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Speaker 2: as to the actual benefit of that.

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Speaker 3: As you're just say you do no, no.

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Speaker 2: Because okay, if you are to do if you were

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Speaker 2: a construction if you're a construction forman, you're going to

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Speaker 2: pay a guy ten dollars an hour under the table, AHAs.

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Speaker 1: You have to pay another guy they should be legal?

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Speaker 4: Well, no, why they should be have a.

738
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Speaker 1: Pathway to citizenship because that's right. No, because the problem

739
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Speaker 1: is when you are paying people under the table, that

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Speaker 1: is actually the issue.

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Speaker 4: When you have a significant amount of legal migration.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that also cuts down on the quote

743
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Speaker 1: unquote chaos at the border because people have a way

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Speaker 1: to get in. People are going to flee desperate circumstances.

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Speaker 1: The circumstances that many of these individuals are fleeing are

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Speaker 1: so desperate they're going to do it no matter whether

747
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Speaker 1: it's Trump or Biden, what sort of border cruelty there is,

748
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Speaker 1: they are determined to get here.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Migration is a fact of human history throughout all of mankind.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to stop that, okay, So do you

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Speaker 1: want an orderly process where we have a significant amount

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Speaker 1: of legal migration that we are able to track and

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Speaker 1: we're able to control, and yes, benefits this country as

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Speaker 1: previous waves of migration clearly have and is by the way, again,

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Speaker 1: majority of the American people believe in and support our

757
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: country depends on immigrants. Like to deny that is insane

758
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Speaker 1: and has tremendously benefited from previous ways and currently benefits

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Speaker 1: from the legal migrants and the undocumented population that's here.

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Speaker 1: So it is having a wildly different view of if

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Speaker 1: people morality and what is actually beneficial for.

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Speaker 2: The morality in saying that people from Al Salvador should

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Speaker 2: not be allowed to come and to America just because

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Speaker 2: they're fearing for their life.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, El Salvador is doing a lot better.

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Speaker 2: It turns out again that these people can make determinations

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Speaker 2: for themselves.

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Speaker 3: That's not my argument.

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Speaker 1: My argument is it's good for us, but most democratic question,

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Speaker 1: woe to us When we are a place that immigrants

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Speaker 1: don't want to come to, that's one will be in trouble.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean, that's not necessarily.

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Speaker 1: That's one will be in trouble. Is you can become

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Speaker 1: a country where people do not want to go, where

775
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Speaker 1: there is not opportunity for people, then we're going to

776
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Speaker 1: have a problem. I mean, you can see it, but

777
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Speaker 1: you know it's it's a little bit of a different situation.

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Speaker 1: You see it right now in Israel because they have

779
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Speaker 1: blocked so many Palestinian workers who they really relied on.

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Speaker 1: Their economy is in shambles. Right if we deported all

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Speaker 1: of the immigrants here, if we had net zero migrace,

782
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Speaker 1: it would be a catastrophe for our catastrophe for our people.

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Speaker 2: Made those arguments in the nineteen twenties and turned out

784
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: we were completely fine, Like this is not what I'm

785
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Speaker 2: saying is that you see this.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to our birth rate, right, you're concerned

787
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Speaker 1: about our low birth We need more people, we need

788
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Speaker 1: more Americans, we need a higher birth rate. But somehow,

789
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Speaker 1: you know, immigrants then are bad, Like more people when

790
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: they're born from native born citizens are good. But then

791
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Speaker 1: more people when it's immigrants are bad.

792
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Speaker 4: That doesn't make it that.

793
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Speaker 3: It's not logical, it's not necessarily bad.

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Speaker 2: It's just that we're again we're looking at citizen re

795
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Speaker 2: versus widgets. It's if you look at it as a

796
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Speaker 2: widget and you're like, yeah, it doesn't matter where you're from,

797
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Speaker 2: or if we care about the COMPREHENSI like the actual

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Speaker 2: cohesiveness of the nation. Look all of the arguments you

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Speaker 2: and I had happened a century ago. I would say

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Speaker 2: we're substantially in a different economy than the Irish waves

801
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Speaker 2: of immigration filled a rapidly industrializing economy. What do we

802
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Speaker 2: have a rapidly de industrializing economy that's transitioning to US

803
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Speaker 2: service based one that is not one where highly low

804
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Speaker 2: skilled labor that doesn't even speak English can easily assimilate

805
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Speaker 2: into and in fact it creates what you have in Germany,

806
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Speaker 2: which is a vast underclass of people that just serve

807
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Speaker 2: their betters at the top. I don't think that's fair

808
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Speaker 2: to the Turks in Germany. I don't think it's fair

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Speaker 2: to Mexicans. Hondurance migration policy. That's about labor policy. That's

810
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Speaker 2: about labor policy. That's about union rates.

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Speaker 1: That's about minimum having the high high world and minimum wage.

812
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not that's about making sure that your

813
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Speaker 1: working class is doing well.

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Speaker 4: Period.

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Speaker 1: And of story, that's not about that's not an immigration story.

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00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: No, but it is an immigration story because one it

817
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: was is that you have a complete you have a

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Speaker 2: complete diversion in the culture, have no shared values between

819
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Speaker 2: those populations where even when you do have some of

820
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Speaker 2: the highest union rates in the entire world, they're not

821
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Speaker 2: accepted as citizens.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just one of the things we have.

823
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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, you can't perfect, but we have to.

824
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Speaker 2: Saying that anybody from anywhere can just come here and

825
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Speaker 2: be like, yeah, you know what, I'm supposed to accept you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's completely that is that's actually talktrary to

827
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Speaker 2: the American story.

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Speaker 4: No, that's insane being as a human being.

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Speaker 2: Of course, but if you move here, you don't speak English,

830
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Speaker 2: you move and then you take somebody's job, or you're

831
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Speaker 2: competing at somebody's job.

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Speaker 3: You can't expect somebody else to be happy with that situation.

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Speaker 4: There's no evidence that is happening.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing is, like, you can, yeah,

835
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Speaker 1: if if immigrants were genuinely like a problem for people

836
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Speaker 1: in the economy and it was pushing out all these workers,

837
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Speaker 1: et cetera, that's not the issue. If you care about

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Speaker 1: American workers, then you know, focus on unions, focus on

839
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Speaker 1: lifting the minimum wage, focus on getting universal health care,

840
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Speaker 1: paid family leave, making things better for them, not you know,

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Speaker 1: punishing people who want to come to this country, not

842
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Speaker 1: dehumanizing and saying them they don't belong and they you know,

843
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Speaker 1: can't assimilate, which just looking at the American experiment is insane.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's been called the Great Melting Pot for

845
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Speaker 1: a reason. I believe in that vision of America. So

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Speaker 1: in any case, I think Joe Biden should be affirmatively

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Speaker 1: making the case that immigrants are positive for the country,

848
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Speaker 1: something American people already agree with. I think he the

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Speaker 1: pieces of the bill that he put forward that would surge,

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Speaker 1: for example, judges to admunicate asylum claims. I think that's good.

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Speaker 1: But I think you also have to have path to citizenship.

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Speaker 1: I think you have to celebrate the contribution of migrants

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Speaker 1: and make the affirmative case that it is a net

854
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Speaker 1: positive for Americans because it is.

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, I mean, if people want to run on that,

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Speaker 3: go for it.

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Speaker 4: I think it did last time. Anyone, Okay, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, let's let's have it. Let's see it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if Trump wins this time, then I think

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Speaker 2: we'll have a pretty clear answer is no, because people feel.

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Speaker 1: About But that's not true because Biden accepted the cruelty

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Speaker 1: at the border situation. So it's not like we're running

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Speaker 1: one candidate who is talking the way that I'm talking

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Speaker 1: and another one who you know has.

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Speaker 3: Trump's Well, I mean this account of factual, man, and

866
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Speaker 3: it's never going to get tested.

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Speaker 2: That said, a vast majority of the polling shows us

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Speaker 2: that whilst people may support a pathway to citizenship, although

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Speaker 2: some of that gets somebody.

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Speaker 1: Gets very certainly don't support net zero migration.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's not necessarily true. It is true. I mean

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Speaker 3: if you put it in terms of a merit based system.

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Speaker 2: Whenever you say that people who come in based upon

874
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: our birthrate or whatever should be calculated such that any

875
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Speaker 2: but coming.

876
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: But you're not saying they're based. You're saying, no, I.

877
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: Believe in a merit based immigration system with the net

878
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: number being zero. I didn't say that zero people should

879
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Speaker 2: be coming in. I said the net number should know that.

880
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 4: It would be a catastrophe by the economy.

881
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 2: That's not Again, Look, these are all counterfactuals. These are

882
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: not ones that can be proven. We have done it

883
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: many times in the past. In the past it worked

884
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: out fine. We actually do a much stronger country for it.

885
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Speaker 2: So all I'm trying to come back to is that

886
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: the arguments that we're having here in Crystal, I agree,

887
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: should be democratically tested. I also can read a poll

888
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: and I know that people definitely reject a lot of

889
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: the underlying philosophy of what you're advocating for when it

890
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: comes to the border.

891
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: No, they don't, well because because the majority of people

892
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Speaker 1: agree with me that migrants have been a net benefit

893
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: to society. Now again, I think people are complicated. I

894
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: think it depends on the question you ask them, and

895
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: they may have some contradictory impulses, But you also have

896
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: almost no one actually making the case that migration is

897
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: positive that, yes, it should be controlled. Yes, we should

898
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: not have chaos at the border. And part of getting

899
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: rid of that quote unquote chaos at the border is

900
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: to have an actual pathway to citizenship that functions and

901
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: lets a sufficient number of people in that you don't

902
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: have people, you know, coming in undocumented, coming in illegally

903
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: because there's just no other.

904
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Speaker 4: Option on the tape.

905
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: But there are many options on the table.

906
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Speaker 2: No, there's not one million people come to this country

907
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: legally every single year.

908
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 3: It is actually very much on where you are from.

909
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, as it should be.

910
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: Wow, everybody said in Mexico should just get an automatic

911
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: visa to the US.

912
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Speaker 4: That's not that's not what I said.

913
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 3: Well, anywhere around the world we have quotas for a reason.

914
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Speaker 2: Also, a lot of it is to crack down on

915
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Speaker 2: chain migration, which is the number one way that we

916
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Speaker 2: function currently, which is whether you have a family member

917
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: here or not.

918
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Speaker 3: Not hate. Do you have any skillus if you're interested anything.

919
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: But if you're interested in this question of assimilation, which

920
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: you seem very interested in, chain migration is actually a

921
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: good way of trying to achieve that assimilation. If you

922
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: have people who are already here who can help you

923
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Speaker 1: assimilate into Actually, again I.

924
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Speaker 2: Don't agree with that at all, because what ends up

925
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Speaker 2: happening is you have these subcommunities where nobody speaks in

926
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Speaker 2: the English and there's no real incentive in order to

927
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Speaker 2: assimilate and in fact, merit based in the past, what

928
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: we have seen in many other countries Australia and others,

929
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Speaker 2: is that they have much higher rates of assimilation and

930
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: they have much better results in terms of the way

931
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: that the native born population feels about the people who

932
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Speaker 2: are there because they know that as an orderly system. Now,

933
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Speaker 2: Australia has some advantages. Being an island is number one,

934
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Speaker 2: so it's not really one that we can have here.

935
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Speaker 3: But I mean chain has a lot.

936
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Speaker 2: Of issues whenever it comes to assimilation, but most importantly

937
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Speaker 2: skill and the fact is that we don't assign. I mean,

938
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Speaker 2: even Canada has merit based migration, Like are we going

939
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: to say that Canada has a cruel migration policy, Like

940
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Speaker 2: they have plenty of immigrants who are living in Canada.

941
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Speaker 3: They don't come there based on chain. They come on

942
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: a points.

943
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Speaker 2: Based system which was explicitly rejected, which under the trumpet

944
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Speaker 2: Miss I.

945
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Speaker 1: Think extremely classystem means basically, just like if you're rich

946
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Speaker 1: you can come, and if you're poor you can.

947
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Speaker 4: And I think poor.

948
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Speaker 2: People in other countries that's their problem, that's their country

949
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 2: the problem.

950
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Speaker 1: Again, they're framing this as a problem, and I don't

951
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: see it as a problem. I see it as a

952
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: challenge to make sure the system works properly, and on

953
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: that we have definitely failed. But I don't see it

954
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: as a quote unquote problem that we have people who

955
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: want to come here or have something to offer to

956
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Speaker 1: the American public, to the economy, et cetera.

957
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 4: I see it as a benefit. So anyway, all.

958
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: Right, I guess we can call it there.

959
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: But I mean I would just say, Crystal, Okay, Well, then,

960
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: for example, if there's high rates of people who come

961
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 2: here illegally or legally and then.

962
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: Go on welfare, do you think that's acceptable? Well, I

963
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 3: don't think exactly. I think why are you coming here?

964
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: I think if you the chain migration that you're talking

965
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: about actually helps with that too, because you have a

966
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: built in safety net. But yeah, I think it's reasonable

967
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: that if you are coming here and you're unskilled, that

968
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: it may take you some time to get on your

969
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: feet but we've seen how hard working immigrants are, how

970
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: important they do all the bunch of jobs that native

971
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Speaker 1: born Americans won't do, and are not interested.

972
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 2: In any price as long as the wages high. I'm

973
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: totally four eye wages. But you know the problem that

974
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: we have right now is that, like you just said,

975
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Speaker 2: there are a bunch of people who are willing to

976
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Speaker 2: work for nothing, and that's what depresses wages.

977
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Speaker 3: And so there you go.

978
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: At the same time, the State of the Union reaction

979
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: is in and the pundits, including ones who previously had

980
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: called for Joe Biden to drop out of the race,

981
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: are dropping their sword and surrendering.

982
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: Put it up there on the screen. Ez reclined. Chrystal,

983
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 3: who famously did a podcast.

984
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 2: A well researched story all about how Joe Biden should

985
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: drop out with all of this incredible polling and data

986
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: to back it up, just says, fine, call it a comeback.

987
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: If Joe Biden wh showed up to deliver The State

988
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: of the Union addresses that Joe Biden wh shows up

989
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 2: for the campaign, you're not going to have to worry

990
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: about any of those weak need pundits suggesting he's not

991
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: up to running.

992
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: For reelection.

993
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: Here's hoping he does so, maya culpa of all Maya

994
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: culpaks and falls exactly Backlee, in line with the way

995
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: that the pundit class felt about this, which contrasts very

996
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: differently from the way that the public did mourning Joe,

997
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: for example, literally drooling and fawning.

998
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: Over the president's speech. Let's take a listen.

999
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 7: This was This was a tour de force by Joe Biden,

1000
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 7: and yet Peggy noon In last week calling him cranky

1001
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 7: old Joe after his angry press confidence who last night

1002
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 7: Michael Beschloss likened him to Harry Truman, And there was

1003
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 7: a real give him hell Harry a part of this.

1004
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: But what really completed it was it was.

1005
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 7: Give him hell. Harry meets Ronald Reagan's a city shining

1006
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 7: brightly on the hill for all the world to say.

1007
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 7: We always under Democrats always underestimated Ike, They always underestimated Reagan.

1008
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 7: Now it's us we always underestimate Biden.

1009
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: Yes, Joe Biden is Eisenhower, General Eisenhower, Harry Truman, Ronald

1010
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: Reagan all rolled into one.

1011
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 3: He's actually better than all of them, Crystal.

1012
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: You know, turns out I would I would, I would

1013
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: die happy if we could just have one of those

1014
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: gentlemen to come back as opposed to the husk that

1015
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: we have in front of us. And yet who do

1016
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: we have next here? The view also giving their laudatory comments.

1017
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 2: Anna Navarro, the quote unquote Republican host, very much talking

1018
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: him up after the State of the Union.

1019
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say.

1020
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 11: Joe Biden is old. Yes, he's slower of step, yes,

1021
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 11: but he is far from being incoherent, from having dementia,

1022
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 11: from not being in charge. Yesterday, he showed he is engaged,

1023
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 11: He was impassioned, he was pissed off Scranton. Joe showed

1024
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 11: up and fought. He had his gloves on from moment one.

1025
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 11: He was knowledgeable about policy. He turned the immigration issue,

1026
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 11: which I agree with you is the most difficult issue

1027
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 11: he's facing, and he turned it to one of the

1028
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 11: most strongest moments of that speech. He they thought they

1029
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 11: were going to rattle him by wearing the buttons of

1030
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 11: Lake and Riley. He took it, and he looked at

1031
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 11: our parents and he offered condolences. He made it, you know.

1032
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 11: He went and he rattled off all the points that

1033
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 11: were in that bipartisan immigration legislation that Donald Trump and

1034
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 11: his minions sabotaged. I loved the ending four more years

1035
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 11: and four more years okay for more alrighty, I loved it.

1036
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 3: Scranton, Joe's back.

1037
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: Who is who is this mythical man that these people

1038
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: are talking about?

1039
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: He sounds great. Yeah, Look, it's just going I.

1040
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: Mean, it's just so delusional to think that one like,

1041
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: okay speech performance off of the telebrondra is going to

1042
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: just eliminate, you know, it's just gonna wipe clean the

1043
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: memories of everything everybody has seen over the past number

1044
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: of years. And also to think that that image is

1045
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: going to then persist throughout whatever additional Joe Biden brain

1046
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: melts we are certain to witness. So you know, they're excited. Though,

1047
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: So for him, he needed to quiet people like Azra

1048
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: Klein who were floating that he needed to be replaced.

1049
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: I mean that was job number one, was him to

1050
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: do enough so that he could get exactly this fawning

1051
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: reaction from the pundit class, And he did that. The

1052
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: rest of the American people, though not quite as convinced

1053
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: as they are, that that he's really the man for

1054
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: the job going for and that This was the quote

1055
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: unquote toward a force that morning. Joe thinks, I also

1056
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: just have to say on the Azra client thing, like

1057
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: how pathetic.

1058
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you believe in something for.

1059
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: You, right, if you're going to go through to write

1060
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: a whole do a whole podcast late, how do the

1061
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: interview like really make the case? And he made a

1062
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: good case, and then he gives one okay performance that

1063
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: was still at times very dicey, and you're just gonna

1064
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: mount and like collapse into groups and it just shows you,

1065
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: like he must have gotten tremendous amount of pressure after

1066
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: that last column, slash podcast and just infillent caves, which

1067
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: is kind of hilarious.

1068
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and Biden himself addressing the age issue at least

1069
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 2: at the top of his brand new ad. They're calling

1070
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 2: it the quote spring media campaign. Let's take a lesson.

1071
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 6: Look, I'm not a young guy, that's no secret.

1072
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: But here's the deal.

1073
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 6: I understand how to get things done for the American people.

1074
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 6: I led the country through the COVID crisis. Today we

1075
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 6: have the strongest economy in the world. I passed the

1076
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 6: law the lowest prescription drug prices cap Sense are thirty

1077
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 6: five dollars a month, forcedures.

1078
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: There you go.

1079
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 2: He's basically like, I'm not a young guy, rolls into

1080
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: a bunch of policy stuff.

1081
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's probably the best he can do.

1082
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: Right Honestly, it's he talked about, you know, things that

1083
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: pull well for him, right the thirty five dollars insulin

1084
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: lowering prescription drug prices. He goes on in that to

1085
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: talk about rope versus weight and you know, lies that

1086
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: he's going to codify it into law, which we don't

1087
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: know is not going to happen, but obviously that's a

1088
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: key issue for them. I thought it was a solid

1089
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Speaker 1: enough and probably lands you know, decently enough.

1090
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Speaker 3: As far I thought it was fine.

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Speaker 2: It just is interesting to me that for everybody else,

1092
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: so the pundits and all that, they're like, no, it

1093
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: was amazing and all that. But for him, he's acknowledging

1094
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: the age at the top, which at least demonstrates that

1095
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: they have some political acumen now to get though to

1096
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 2: where some of this is coming from in terms of

1097
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: the media response versus the public response. Let's put this

1098
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: up there, because even the Washington Post is forced to

1099
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: admit here early polling of the Biden State of the

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Speaker 2: Union does not match the hype.

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Speaker 3: They even say.

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Speaker 2: Democrats would like you to believe that this changed the

1103
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: game on Thursday, it is not clear that the American

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00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: public saw the home run that they did. According to

1105
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 2: the CNN Instant poll, sixty five percent offered a positive view,

1106
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: but viewers also shifted seventeen percent toward believing the country

1107
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: has had in the right direction. That's what they're saying

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00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 2: in terms of what they say is true. But what

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00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 2: they also true is the State of the Union speech

1110
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Speaker 2: is quote almost always receives strongly favorable views, in part

1111
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: because the viewership tends to draw disproportionately from their allies.

1112
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: And in fact, what they point to is that quote.

1113
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 2: Dating back to Bill Clinton's nineteen ninety eight State of

1114
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 2: the Union, viewers have always shifted an average of fifteen

1115
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: points toward a more optimistic view whenever they are watching.

1116
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 2: They also show that quote in Trump's twenty seventeen and

1117
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen speeches. Republicans were outnumbering the Democrats by five

1118
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,760
Speaker 2: percentage points in CNN sample Trump's reviews and those teachers

1119
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: were still stronger than Joe Biden's on Thursday, showing the

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Speaker 2: relative to where.

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00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: Trump was again.

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00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean, remember Crystal, how crazy things were in twenty seventeen.

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00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: That was like the peak of the Trump madness. And

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00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: even in that actually Trump was getting better remarks on

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00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: his State of the Union response. So when we look

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Speaker 2: at it here, it is pretty clear that when you

1127
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: look at it history, he's right within the line against Trump.

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Speaker 3: He didn't actually do all that well.

1129
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: So the home run, I mean a home run would

1130
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: be vastly overperforming all previous presidents are combined, or at

1131
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 2: least by a magnificant margin, or overperforming your predecessor, which

1132
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 2: he did not do in either of these cases.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the reality is it's probably not going

1134
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: to matter at all.

1135
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 4: At the end of the day.

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00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: I could see he may get a little bit of

1137
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: an approval rating bump out of this, you know, people

1138
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: feeling a little better about him. The vibes, the way

1139
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: the pundits are selling it so so so hard across

1140
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: all of these networks. By the way, the Republican reaction

1141
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: and opposition was equally deranged to the liberal reaction.

1142
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 4: They were like, you know, after.

1143
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: For so long complaining about I think accurately that he's

1144
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: so feeble and whatever, then it was oh my god,

1145
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: he was like so over the top and so angry.

1146
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: You can't really have it both ways anyway. Putting that aside,

1147
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: I think the probably reality out of the state of

1148
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: the Union is is not really going to matter either way.

1149
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: He didn't have a like major obvious health event while

1150
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: he was silvering at which is what people sort of

1151
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: like wondered whether that would happen and feared it would happen.

1152
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: It had a lot of downside risk, Like if it

1153
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: had been a catastrophe, I think it would have had

1154
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: a huge and lasting impact because it would have affirmed

1155
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: people's deepest fears about Joe Biden. But since it was,

1156
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, adequately handled, he avoided that catastrophic downside risk.

1157
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: Is he able to significantly achieve like higher pull numbers,

1158
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: higher lasting approval ratings.

1159
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 4: I think that's probably unlikely.

1160
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right, Crystal, And I think overall,

1161
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: what we can see is that the pundit class and

1162
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: all of them have very very low expectations for Biden.

1163
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: I've stolen your line. You're like, guys, if this was Obama,

1164
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: we would all be saying, we're.

1165
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: Like, man, there's something wrong. What's going on, and you.

1166
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: Know, he is a guy who actually won elections, actually

1167
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 2: was a Look, whatever you think of him, he was

1168
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: good at speaking, and he was a good politician, and

1169
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: he was able to at least get himself re elected twice.

1170
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: Pretty remarkable. Whereas with Biden, you see the curve that

1171
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: he's being graded on, You're like, oh my god, what

1172
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: are we doing here? So if that's where the bar is,

1173
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: as far as h I think we can at least

1174
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: put some trust in people. Ryan also had a good

1175
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: point in our post coverage where he said, look, this

1176
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: isn't like the old days. They're still going to see

1177
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 2: clips of Biden unable to physically speak and function over

1178
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: and over again, simply because of the Internet. So this

1179
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: monolith media like environment that these people want to live

1180
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: in where this matters, and this is really the only

1181
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: connection that we have to our president like we did

1182
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 2: in the nineties, that doesn't exist anymore the current media environment.

1183
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a good point there, you go.

1184
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little bit about what unfolded

1185
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: at the Oscars last night, especially vis a vis protests

1186
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: of Israel's assault on Gaza. So before the big ceremony

1187
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: even got underway. You had protesters out in the street

1188
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: put this up on the screen, so they are actually.

1189
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 4: Blocking the main.

1190
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: Route to the what is it called the Dolby theaters

1191
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: that where it happens, and they were able to block

1192
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: it so effectively, and you can see a large number

1193
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: of people out there that they actually were a little

1194
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 1: bit late.

1195
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 4: They were worried.

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00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: About having to use seat fillers, I think that's what

1197
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: they're called, so that it didn't look empty in the auditorium.

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Speaker 4: When the show got underway.

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Speaker 1: You had stars ditching their heels and having to hoofit

1200
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: into the theater. Some people had golf carts sent for

1201
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: them to be able to make it there. So before

1202
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: it even started there was a strong procease fire, anti

1203
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: war protest going on.

1204
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 4: But the moment that actually.

1205
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 1: Got the biggest attention was Jonathan Glazer accepting his award

1206
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: and the comments he made. Listened very carefully to them,

1207
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: and then I'll tell you the way they were interpreted.

1208
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 4: On the other side, all.

1209
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 12: Our choices were made to reflect and confront us in

1210
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 12: the present, not to say look what they did then,

1211
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 12: rather look what we do now. How film shows where

1212
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 12: dehumanization leads at its worst it shaped all of our

1213
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 12: past and present. Right now we stand here as men

1214
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 12: who refute their Jewishness and the Holocaust being hijacked by

1215
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 12: an occupation which has led to conflict for so many

1216
00:55:50,600 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 12: innocent people, whether the victims of October, the victims of

1217
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 12: October the seventh in Israel, or the ongoing attack on Gaza,

1218
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 12: all the victims of this tea humanization. How do we resist?

1219
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 12: Alexandra Bistron Calasihchek, the girl who glows in the film

1220
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 12: as she did in life, chose to I dedicate this

1221
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 12: to her memory and her resistance.

1222
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Speaker 1: Thank you, so, I thought very powerful and courageous comments there,

1223
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: clearly saying, you know, we refute our Jewishness and the

1224
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: Holocaust being weaponized in these and appropriated in these ways

1225
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: that we do not support, making sure to talk not

1226
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: only about the Gaza victims but also the victims on

1227
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: October seventh. But Sager, that has not prevented a full

1228
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: and complete meltdown over these comments, and absolutely disingenuous mischaracterization

1229
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: of what he said, people clipping out of context. Just

1230
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: him saying we stand here as men who refute our

1231
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: Jewishness without going on to say and the Holocaust and

1232
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,240
Speaker 1: the way that they're being weaponized. Not that he's refuting

1233
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:11,479
Speaker 1: as Jewishness, he's refuting the weaponization of that identity, which

1234
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: I think many many especially American Jews right now, really

1235
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: resonate with in support because they don't feel that the

1236
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: Israeli government actions reflect them, reflect their identity, reflect their Jewishness.

1237
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: And in fact, it would be the height of anti

1238
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: Semitism to say that every Jew must be in lockstep

1239
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: with exactly what the Israeli government is doing. And that's

1240
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: something you see in Israel where there's quite a bit

1241
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: of debate and dissent about exactly the policies of the

1242
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: net Yahoo.

1243
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: Govern Even if ninety seven percent of Jews felt that way,

1244
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 2: there would still be two to three percent.

1245
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 3: And to me, they are not Jews.

1246
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: They are American citizens who have the First Amendment right

1247
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: to say and speak what they wish. Mister Glazer didn't

1248
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: say anything all that controversial. Many of the protesters that

1249
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: I see here in Washington often have the no in

1250
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: our Name t shirts on, which means that they are

1251
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: members of a Jewish organization. I mean, again, not that

1252
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: it matters, but I think rhetorically it's one of those

1253
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 2: that they're able to. You know, it's a powerful rebuke, right,

1254
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: It's like this is one where they were being basically

1255
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 2: tone policed by a lot of Jewish commentators. And Jonathan

1256
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: John put Harrits, who's the editor at Commentary, failed son

1257
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: and inheritor of his father's magazine, and one of these

1258
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: individuals saying by saying he refutes his Jewishness on the

1259
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: biggest stage in the world, five months after the attack

1260
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: on Israel, Jonathan Glazer has instantly made himself into one

1261
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: of Judaism's historical villains, like we're going to put him

1262
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: up there with Hitler, We're gonna put him up there.

1263
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen JPod make comparisons like this in

1264
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 2: the past, comparions.

1265
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: He is an incredibly unhimed individual.

1266
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: But he's one of those where I've seen him align

1267
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 2: Jews who speak out against the war in Gaza, like

1268
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: copposed in concentration camps, which are like basically Jewish prisoners

1269
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: who cooperated with the Nazi regime. But I mean, it's

1270
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: one of those where it takes a special level of

1271
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,439
Speaker 2: insanity to ascribe here, who is I mean, he sounds

1272
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: British to me. Not exactly who he is, but you know,

1273
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: he's on a stage in the United States of America,

1274
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 2: and I mean, frankly, it wasn't all that controversially even

1275
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: mentioned the victims of October seventh. It's like, well, what

1276
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: else do you want from somebody who's speaking out against violence.

1277
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those where he can say

1278
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: what he wants. He's using and I mean in some

1279
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: ways kind of honoring his religion, just saying like this

1280
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 2: was a historical horrible event, like please don't use that

1281
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: event in order to perpetrate what we see personally as

1282
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: an atrocity. I think that's fine, you know, once again,

1283
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: and it's I think the response to it is frankly

1284
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: just disgusting in it. It goes back to the Biden project,

1285
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: and frankly a lot of American Jewish commentators project, which

1286
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: is to conflate all Judaism with the State of Israel. Yes,

1287
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: that's right, I mean, that's honestly disgusting.

1288
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 4: That is anti Semitic.

1289
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, to say you have to if you are Jewish,

1290
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: you are fully identified with the State of Israel, you

1291
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: must support everything that they do. You have to speak

1292
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: about it in these set prescribed ways I mean to

1293
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: paint with that broader brush, is like the definition of

1294
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: racism and anti semitism.

1295
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 4: And the other thing I saw.

1296
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: That people were intentionally construing his comments is they were saying, oh,

1297
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: he's comparing what's happening in Gozen now to the Holocaust,

1298
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: which personally, if he did that I would also find

1299
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: perfectly fine, and not in obviously the number of people killed,

1300
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: but in the ideology and the genocidal rhetoric and ideology.

1301
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: I think that comparison is perfectly apt. But that's also

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Speaker 1: not what he was saying. He was saying, stop weaponizing

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Speaker 1: the Holocaust to justify atrocities, to justify things that should

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Speaker 1: not be justified. So I think the reason there was

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Speaker 1: such a freak out is number one because of them

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Speaker 1: being Jewish. Number two because the movie itself the zone

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Speaker 1: of interest, which I haven't seen. I don't think you've

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Speaker 1: seen either.

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Speaker 3: I've seen it. I am going to watch it.

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Speaker 1: I want to watch it. This actually made me want

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Speaker 1: to watch it. But it's about the Holocaust. It's about

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Speaker 1: the banality of evil. So the fact that he did

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Speaker 1: this movie about the Holocaust and then used his platform

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Speaker 1: in order to oppose Israel's assault on Gaza. I think

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Speaker 1: that was, you know, particularly apparently sensitive for a number

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Speaker 1: of people. Rabbi Schmoli of course had to weigh in

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Speaker 1: in the way that he does. He described it as

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Speaker 1: absolutely disgusting. Jonathan Glazer, who deserves so much credit for

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Speaker 1: his incredible Holocaust film The Zote of Interest, which I loved,

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Speaker 1: betrayed his people and disgraced himself and trivialized the six

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Speaker 1: million martyrs of the Holocaust when he said Israel's Warren

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Speaker 1: Gaza was hijacking the memory of the Holocaust. How dare

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Speaker 1: you compare the two? Again, he wasn't actually comparing the two,

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Speaker 1: although again I personally would support that comparison.

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Speaker 4: You fool.

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Speaker 1: The whole purpose of Israel's Warren Gaza to make sure

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Speaker 1: there isn't a second Holocaust, so we don't need more

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Speaker 1: of your films because Jews actually remain alive. AMAS has

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Speaker 1: one intention genocide of Jews. How is it the Jews

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Speaker 1: in Hollywood have absolutely no pride in being Jewish and

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Speaker 1: never ever stand up for the only Jewish country on earth, Israel,

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Speaker 1: it seems to me very much has pride in his

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Speaker 1: Jewish identity and what he objects to is that identity

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Speaker 1: being used in the service of things that he finds

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Speaker 1: to be morally unconscionable. So, you know, I thought the

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Speaker 1: response to it, especially the way the words were intentionally

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Speaker 1: twisted in misunderstood, was really telling and really disgusting and

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Speaker 1: showed you why it took courage by the way, and

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Speaker 1: you could tell he was nervous when he was delivering

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Speaker 1: the remarks that he had prepared and written down so

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Speaker 1: that he could get the language exactly as he wanted

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Speaker 1: it to. So you know, I really applaud him for

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Speaker 1: being willing to do that knowing that there would be

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Speaker 1: an unhinged.

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Speaker 4: Freak out on the other side.

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Speaker 1: You also had a number of artists who were wearing pins,

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Speaker 1: you know, a sort of more quiet form of protests.

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Speaker 1: We can put some of these images up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: These pins were in support of a ceasefire. Some of

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Speaker 1: the actors, directors, et cetera, who were wearing the pins.

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Speaker 1: You had a pneumona actors out. How you say that

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about pop culture, Sorry, guys. Eugene

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Speaker 1: Lee Yang, director Ava Duverne, director of Massan Harriman, who's

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Speaker 1: behind Best Live Action Short nominee The After Writer director,

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Speaker 1: I'm really going to butcher this one. Kyle, author Ben Hania,

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Speaker 1: Best Documentary Feature nominee Four Daughters singer Billy Eilish also

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Speaker 1: and one of the people you saw there on the

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Speaker 1: screen was Ronny Yusef, who was in Poor Things, who

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Speaker 1: also spoke out in favor of a ceasefire in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 8: Tell me about the pin.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we'll come on for immediate, permanent ceasefire in Gaza.

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Speaker 3: We're calling for peace.

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Speaker 13: And justice, lasting justice for the people of Palestine. And

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Speaker 13: I think it's a universal message of just let's stop

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Speaker 13: killing kids, let's not be part of war.

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Speaker 14: War.

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Speaker 13: No one's ever looked back at war and thought a

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Speaker 13: bombing campaign was a good idea. And so to be

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Speaker 13: surrounded by so many artists who are willing to lend

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Speaker 13: their voice, the list is growing. A lot of people

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Speaker 13: are going to be wearing these pins tonight, and it's

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Speaker 13: because we want to kind of use where we're at

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Speaker 13: to speak to people's hearts. You know, there's a lot

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Speaker 13: of talking heads on the news. This is a space

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Speaker 13: of talking hearts, and so we're trying to just kind

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Speaker 13: of have that big beam the humanity.

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Speaker 3: Are you a hopeful there will be a ceas fire?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there has to be. I don't I don't think

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Speaker 13: that there's any there's no there's no other root. It's

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Speaker 13: just it's taking so long. And you know, the president

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Speaker 13: has now called for it in a State of the Union,

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Speaker 13: the Vice president has and so I think we need

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Speaker 13: to kind of really look at ourselves and be honest

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Speaker 13: of Okay, if the leadership supposedly thinks that should happen,

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Speaker 13: why has it not happened? And so I think that's

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Speaker 13: what we're all encouraging, you know, everyone to be vocal about.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of interesting framing since Biden

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Speaker 1: and Kamala have co opted the language language of seas

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Speaker 1: fireman that they don't actually support a full and lasting ceasefire, saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're saying.

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Speaker 4: Ceasefire, that's great.

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Speaker 1: Where is it you claim you want to you know,

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Speaker 1: you claim you want this now, So why isn't it

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Speaker 1: actually happening? You'll recall that, especially immediately after October seventh,

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Speaker 1: there were a number of high profile firings in Hollywood

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Speaker 1: over people who are expressing support for Palestinians. So it

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Speaker 1: still is you know, a cause that is take some

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Speaker 1: courage to speak out on. So kudos to these individuals

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Speaker 1: who took this protest to the oscars and tried to

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Speaker 1: raise a visibility there for.

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Speaker 3: One that was interesting. I mean the freak at on

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Speaker 3: is that's just a whole other level.

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Speaker 2: And like compare it to some of the other historic

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Speaker 2: ones like Michael Moore at the Oscar stage see that, Well,

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Speaker 2: that one was wild because remember he got booed people

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Speaker 2: really memory hole how pro war Hollywood was too at

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 3: So things certainly a little bit yeah.

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Speaker 4: So true.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, there's some major domestic news here

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Speaker 2: with the shock passage of a new bill through the

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Speaker 2: House Committee on Energy and Commerce Affairs on TikTok. Let's

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Speaker 2: go and put this up there on the screen. If

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Speaker 2: this advances to the full House, of which there's every

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Speaker 2: expectation that it will and will likely pass, will go

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Speaker 2: to the Senate, and would result in an immediate status

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Speaker 2: quote change for TikTok. So what it says is that

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Speaker 2: this TikTok crackdown is now shifting into overdrive quote with

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Speaker 2: sale or shut down on the table. So I actually

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Speaker 2: went through read the full bill talked to some of

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Speaker 2: the people who have helped craft it, and details are

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Speaker 2: basically like this. TikTok is owned by byte Dance. The

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Speaker 2: holding company Byte Dance is headquartered in China. I've done

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Speaker 2: extensive work on this in the past, and they would

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Speaker 2: not even really dispute it that they are controlled by.

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Speaker 3: The Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese government.

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Speaker 2: Byte Dances specifically, which is the holding company of TikTok.

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Speaker 2: So this bill would require Byte Dance to immediately, within

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Speaker 2: forty days a passage of the bill divest itself of

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Speaker 2: TikTok as a media asset, or then face a shutdown

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Speaker 2: and a ban. Inside the United States. It's very substantively

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Speaker 2: different from the Restrict Act. The Restrict Act we previously

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Speaker 2: had spoken about Crystal would have resulted in the discretionary

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Speaker 2: authority of the President to ban such a thing, whereas

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Speaker 2: this relies on export import control laws that we have

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Speaker 2: on our books that say that control of assets by

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Speaker 2: foreign governments, as it could be applied here to social

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Speaker 2: media would then result in an immediate divestiture and or

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Speaker 2: a band. So substantively it is a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: This has though transformed itself into a major political issue.

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01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 2: TikTok immediately push notifications to many of its users, resulting

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Speaker 2: in a flood of calls on Capitol Hill TikTok cleaning

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Speaker 2: that the legislation would have resulted in an immediate ban,

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Speaker 2: failing to neglect the sale part that I mentioned here. However,

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Speaker 2: the discourse has now transformed and is now all about

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Speaker 2: whether we should ban TikTok or not. Donald Trump actually

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Speaker 2: weighing in on this on the opposite side of the

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Speaker 2: issue that.

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Speaker 3: He was previously.

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Speaker 2: He says, if you get rid of TikTok, Facebook and

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Speaker 2: Zucker Schmuck will double their business. I don't want Facebook,

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Speaker 2: who cheated in the last election, doing better. They are

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Speaker 2: the true enemy of the people. Immediately then backed up

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Speaker 2: by Elon Musk. If we can put that up there please,

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Speaker 2: he says. Trump's statement there is correct, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of this actually traces back to an interesting gentleman who

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Speaker 2: recently become acquainted with named Jeff Yass.

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Speaker 3: If we can put this up there please on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Mister Yoss is a billionaire Republican donor and happens to

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Speaker 2: own a nice thirty three billion dollar steak in byte Dance, which,

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Speaker 2: of course is reaping massive benefits from the TikTok profits

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Speaker 2: and has been whispering, it seems in Trump's ear. He

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Speaker 2: is also the major funder of the Club for Growth

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Speaker 2: pack here in the United States, which is like a

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Speaker 2: major kind of libertarian organization, and apparently has now placed

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Speaker 2: Kelly am Conway, Trump's former community strategic communications advisor on

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Speaker 2: retainer and she's being paid a nice, healthy salary to

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Speaker 2: lobby against us.

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Speaker 3: So with all the details there, Crystal, what do you think.

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Speaker 4: Well, we should also keep it.

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Speaker 1: I mean Trump in his way, he does make a

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Speaker 1: point that banning TikTok will be a tremendous gift to

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Speaker 1: all the TikTok competitors. Yes, correct, tremendous gift to you too,

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Speaker 1: I mean we self interestedly, I should be in favor

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Speaker 1: of it, I guess, because it would funnel a bunch

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Speaker 1: people our white potentially. You know, all of these social

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Speaker 1: media giants. They've been desperately trying to recreate TikTok success,

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Speaker 1: Zuckerberg in particular with Instagram reels.

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Speaker 4: So banning TikTok is a massive.

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Speaker 1: Gift to the tech industry, which I think is part

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Speaker 1: of why this bill sailed through Committee with the unanimous vote,

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Speaker 1: because yes, while TikTok obviously has a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of interest in not being banned and not having.

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Speaker 1: A sale force on it, you also have other money

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Speaker 1: to interest on the other side that are pushing in

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Speaker 1: the other direction.

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Speaker 4: So that's number one. Number two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's no mystery to me why this is

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Speaker 1: coming about right now, which has everything to do with

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Speaker 1: the fact that young people are getting, you know, a

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Speaker 1: very different and very real view of what's happening in

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Speaker 1: Gaza right now on TikTok, and so this conversation to

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of spike during the Trump administration has

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Speaker 1: sort of died down. The reason it's coming back right now,

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Speaker 1: I think is directly tied to the fact that.

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Speaker 4: They see the numbers among young people.

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Speaker 1: They see the different view of Israel, they see the

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Speaker 1: different view of Israel's assault on Gaza, and so there's

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Speaker 1: a panic about like these young people and we got

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Speaker 1: to control what they see in disinformation.

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Speaker 4: Et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's also part of why you see

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Speaker 1: this new initiative and this bipartisan unanimity when it comes

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Speaker 1: to banning TikTok, and you know, the other thing I

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Speaker 1: would say is I do think that there's huge First

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Speaker 1: Amendment issues here. You know, I mean Twitter has taken

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Speaker 1: like money from Saudi Arabia. Does that mean that they

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Speaker 1: should be banned as well? If YouTube got a huge

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Speaker 1: you know, had a huge investment from a foreign country,

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Speaker 1: we're just going to ban or force the sale.

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Speaker 4: Of YouTube as well.

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Speaker 1: You're really directly attacking a lot of people's livelihoods number one,

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Speaker 1: number two a lot of people's creative outlet, and number

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Speaker 1: three a lot of people's social outlets. So I think

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01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 1: it is a real sort of outrageous assault on freedom

1517
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: of speech and creative expression.

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 2: Well, that would be if it was a ban. Now

1519
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:53,440
Speaker 2: let's be clear. I mean if we did a segment.

1520
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 4: As a ban or a sale.

1521
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 3: Well, we did a segment.

1522
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: Here previously, for example, about US Steel being acquired by

1523
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 2: Nip and Steele. I oppose that transaction, even though Japan. Look,

1524
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 2: I love Japan, I we're blood brothers.

1525
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 3: Where are allies?

1526
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: I respect their Honestly, I like their culture more than

1527
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: I like our own. Sometimes that said, sorry, you shouldn't

1528
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 2: be owning critical parts of our steel infrastructure because you're

1529
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 2: going to use it for your purposes and not. I

1530
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 2: don't think there's really a substantive difference here. Now, the

1531
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 2: difference between a Twitter investment is that Twitter is headquartered

1532
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: and controlled here in the United States. TikTok is hold

1533
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 2: one hundred percent as a subsidiary of the Byte Dance Corporation,

1534
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: by Dance itself one hundred percent controlled by China. Very

1535
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 2: different than a non controlling stake or even frankly like

1536
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 2: a board seat.

1537
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 3: As opposed to where we are right now.

1538
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 2: I think they now I will as I understand what

1539
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 2: I would say is one of the reasons as I've

1540
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: sailed through fifty to zero through the Energy and Commerce Committee,

1541
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 2: was not just because the Israel issue, although look, let's

1542
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 2: not deny it's obviously true, but that TikTok actually showed

1543
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 2: its ability to influence US election, which was the worst

1544
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 2: thing that they should have done, because they demonstrate it

1545
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 2: through their ability to flood the zone and by having

1546
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: all these calls that they actually could flex political power.

1547
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 3: If they wanted to.

1548
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: Honestly, it was a huge backfire on their part because

1549
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 2: they opened a lot of people's eyes. They're like, oh, man,

1550
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 2: if they do push notification to any of their users,

1551
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 2: their users actually will call.

1552
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 3: And we'll face it. Now.

1553
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 2: I have complicated feelings at this point. I don't think

1554
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: we can ban it. I think we waited way too late.

1555
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 2: If we had banned it five six years ago, we

1556
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,480
Speaker 2: would have had a different competitor, different conversation.

1557
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 3: I mean it is.

1558
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 2: Look, I wish that we weren't in this situation, but

1559
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy million people now use this thing.

1560
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 3: What are you going to do?

1561
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 2: I think that a fail forced sale is the best

1562
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: possible option, and that's what this legislation does now. Look

1563
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 2: by dancers, wasn't to let go of it, even though

1564
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: TikTok is banned in China, because it's tremendously profitable already,

1565
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 2: there are US investors and US companies that are very

1566
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 2: willing to buy it, frankly, for a premium. They'll buy

1567
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 2: for eight nine hundred million dollars, then the ins the impetus,

1568
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 2: or an eight nine hundred billion dollars to be clear,

1569
01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 2: possibly even a trillion dollar transaction, apparently for what I've

1570
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: been reading. Just because it's overall media, its ability to

1571
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 2: compel so much watch time, which is why Instagram and

1572
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: others want it banned I think where we are is

1573
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 2: it's a matter of sovereignty.

1574
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 3: So I agree with you.

1575
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 2: I think that if it was an outright ban itself

1576
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 2: and did not give the option at least for sale,

1577
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 2: then we could talk about First Amendment considerations. But at

1578
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 2: a baseline level, we're talking about sovereignty in US markets

1579
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:25,879
Speaker 2: like China does not allow American technology companies to operate

1580
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 2: in China. Thus there is no reason why we should

1581
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: not have reciprocal trade rules. We have reciprocal actions against

1582
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 2: the European Union, against Indian companies, against Panic Canadian companies,

1583
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 2: every other in the world. Why should we have a

1584
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 2: Chinese exception whenever it comes to tech, And I get

1585
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: the common retort I get is yeah, but big tech

1586
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 2: is just as bad. It's like, okay, but we can

1587
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: change that. There are American companies subject to a US jurisdiction.

1588
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 2: We have no jurisdiction over TikTok.

1589
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: But see that's actually a good point, which is, I mean,

1590
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: we do have jurisdiction over TikTok when they're operating in

1591
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: our borders. So the real problem is like overall data

1592
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: privacy issues, because that's the that's the case that I

1593
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,759
Speaker 1: hear made, I mean the election interference stuff that sounds

1594
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 1: a lot to me, like the like Russian Facebook moment

1595
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: memes and like that direction of chanic and freak out right.

1596
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: In terms of the data privacy concerns, these are not

1597
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: limited to TikTok. In fact, the data that you know

1598
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: TikTok would have available to it is widely available for

1599
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: sale already on the open market. So that's the issue

1600
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: I think we should be dealing with versus going after

1601
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 1: this one platform because there's this like you know, freak

1602
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: out about China and this freak out about oh my god,

1603
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: the youths as per usual. So the other thing I

1604
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: would say is you're right, we can do it. I'm

1605
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: not saying we can't do it, Like as a sovereignation,

1606
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: we could.

1607
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 4: I just don't think we should.

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01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: And part of why is because I don't think it'll

1609
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: lead to a better outcome. It does end up consolidating

1610
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: even more power in the hands of the already gigantic,

1611
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: you know, monopolistic social media monoliths. And for example, one

1612
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: of the things I was cited in this Wall Street

1613
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,559
Speaker 1: Journal piece was that Sam Altman and open AI and

1614
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: conjunction with Microsoft were like, maybe we'll buy TikTok, maybe

1615
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: we'll use it to train our AI algorithms, which to me,

1616
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's how is that a better state of affairs?

1617
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: How is that an improvement over the current situation. So,

1618
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a reason why when people

1619
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: got that prompt to call into the legislators, why they

1620
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: were so active about it. Because for a lot of people,

1621
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 1: this is important to them, and they use it a lot,

1622
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: and they drive a lot of benefit from it. And

1623
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: so for them to like, you know, feel like it

1624
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: was under assault, that was enough to spur to actually trying.

1625
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 4: To take some action.

1626
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: The other thing I would say is Joe Biden said

1627
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: that he would sign a ban if it came to

1628
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: his desk. He signed this bill if it came to

1629
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: his desk. And if you want to lose young people,

1630
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: for sure, Joe Biden, go ahead and try to mess

1631
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: with TikTok, because I think that would be a political

1632
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 1: absolute catastrophe and.

1633
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 2: Disaster that sport could shut down. I mean, they can

1634
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 2: sell it, I mean they should, There's no reason, there's no.

1635
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: It would probably be hobbled if it was sold. I mean,

1636
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: even they acknowledge that in this Wall Street Journal pieces.

1637
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I mean Instagram reil is not great,

1638
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 2: but like it's fine, and it's like not an insane

1639
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: technology that we're trying to duplicate here at this point,

1640
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 2: especially if they sell whatever their subsidiary is with the

1641
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 2: exist pre existing technology. I mean, look even to your

1642
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 2: data privacy point, though, there is again a substante difference.

1643
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 2: The servers and all the data that TikTok takes is

1644
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 2: routed through Singapore but goes back to China, whereas our

1645
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 2: servers again are under US jurisdiction, of which we as

1646
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 2: a democratic people, can legislate, can change.

1647
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 3: I mean we have correctly.

1648
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: They've been open to having exactly that arrangement that you're describing,

1649
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: the arrangement that they have.

1650
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 2: The arrangement they've described is one where they would route

1651
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 2: their data through Oracle through Singapore, but ultimately has back

1652
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 2: doors from China. Much of their much of their like

1653
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 2: their reply, and all that comes down to the fact

1654
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 2: that they want to keep their bike dance ownership. And listen,

1655
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: if I were by Dance, yeah, I would want to

1656
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 2: keep it too. But guess what, you don't let us

1657
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: do business in your country. So why should we let

1658
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 2: you do business in our country?

1659
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 3: That's nuts?

1660
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 4: Are people really like it?

1661
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:11,759
Speaker 3: A lot of people?

1662
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, just imagine if it was YouTube and like

1663
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: it is very dependent on it, right, I mean, there's

1664
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people whose livelihoods at this point are

1665
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: tied up in TikTok. And so I've just I've never

1666
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: really understood the scariest scenario. People always sort of like

1667
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 1: allude to these like nefarious things that could happen, but

1668
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: I've never really understood how that could play out in

1669
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: this way that would be disastrous, which isn't already unfolding.

1670
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 1: Like I said that the data and privacy has already

1671
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: invaded Our legislators have already failed us on that front.

1672
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 1: And I just don't see it as being really any

1673
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: different with TikTok.

1674
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 3: Versus I think it's a basic market fairness position.

1675
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 2: I mean, like, like listen, try going to China or

1676
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 2: Japan or Korea and try opening a social media app.

1677
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: It's not going to happen, period to their level, because

1678
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 2: it's it's a typical trade agreement.

1679
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 3: It's not about that.

1680
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 2: It's like this is a very libertarian argument too, which

1681
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 2: is that, oh, well, we shouldn't resort to that. It's like, no,

1682
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 2: this is about basic market sovereignty. Americans should have control

1683
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 2: of their markets. We have no control over.

1684
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 4: This asset amendment.

1685
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: Those which is like, you know, if we're cracking down

1686
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: and censoring based on foreign ownership and foreign influence, et cetera.

1687
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the sorts of things that more

1688
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 1: dictatorial countries like China tend to.

1689
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 3: I think we should do so.

1690
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 4: I don't think that we should be doing that.

1691
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 3: What if TikTok was old by an Israeli company? What

1692
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 3: would you?

1693
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 2: I mean, like Ways, for example, I believe I think

1694
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:32,799
Speaker 2: Ways is owned by Israel.

1695
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 3: I mean that means that they have.

1696
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 4: Do you see me out there pushing for Ways to

1697
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 4: be banned?

1698
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 3: But if you did, I would be like, hey, it's

1699
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 3: a valid argument.

1700
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 2: It's one of those where like, I don't know, should

1701
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: they really have access to all of our data here?

1702
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 2: It seems a little bit for what if they use

1703
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:45,879
Speaker 2: it for their state purposes, which.

1704
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 3: They definitely would.

1705
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 2: It's one of those where we could see from a

1706
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 2: basic market fairness position as we apply to Japan, China, Canada, Mexico,

1707
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: any other country in the world, why do you get

1708
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 2: complete access to our markets whenever you do not allow

1709
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: our companies to do business there.

1710
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 3: This is sovereignty.

1711
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 2: Now, in terms of forcing a sale, I think it

1712
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 2: was the best option.

1713
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 3: I would also.

1714
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 2: Say Trump is the reason that all of this happened,

1715
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 2: and I will never let him off the hook for this.

1716
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 2: If you'll recall in twenty nineteen. In twenty twenty, he

1717
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 2: tried to do a forced sale option, but screwed it

1718
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,440
Speaker 2: up so badly that both the US government and TikTok

1719
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: basically folded. At that point, there are only some sixty million,

1720
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 2: I mean, still a lot, but sixty million people who

1721
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 2: were using the app. He probably could have bannoned at

1722
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 2: that time and there wouldn't have been the attendant social

1723
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: chaos at this point. Now, I don't think it is

1724
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 2: possible just because we have some one hundred and seventy

1725
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty million people. It is a part

1726
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 2: of the culture, whether you like it or not. And

1727
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 2: it's with then now a question of like, okay, well,

1728
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: how do we manageably have this asset you know here

1729
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 2: in the US operate and not take something away.

1730
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 3: But the first Amendment thing I want to come back to.

1731
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair because you're not censoring people's

1732
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,879
Speaker 2: right to speech. We're talking specifically about ownership of the company.

1733
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,520
Speaker 3: And then the onus goes.

1734
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 2: To bike dance, because if we apply that First Amendment right,

1735
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 2: then any foreign company in the world would have right

1736
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 2: to do business in the US. And it's just like

1737
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 2: a premise that I fundamentally reject, like they do not

1738
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 2: have the rights under our system, especifically when specifically when

1739
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 2: we're talking about reciprocal trade, which long time has been

1740
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 2: an avenue for the executive and has always been biased

1741
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 2: towards like a sovereign direction over control of markets.

1742
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I.

1743
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,639
Speaker 1: Said, I think we could do it. I just don't

1744
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: think we should. I think that I don't see the

1745
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: case that you know, banning TikTok or for forcing its

1746
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 1: sale is going to improve data security for Americans. I

1747
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: think it's gigantic gift to Mark Zuckerberg, to Trump's point,

1748
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 1: and to the other really and to the other you know,

1749
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 1: large tech platform you have if they sell it, because

1750
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: it would likely be bought by one of these platforms.

1751
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 4: I mean that was likely to buy it by one

1752
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 4: of these people.

1753
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 3: Well, I mean they could try but oh, okay. But

1754
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 3: then here's the other thing.

1755
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 2: We have a Department of Justice, Crystal, we have an

1756
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 2: anti trustpens. We could say no, you can't buy that.

1757
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 2: Under Alena, she hasn't even allowed like Spirit Airlines and

1758
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 2: Jet Blue defuse.

1759
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: I think this is all based not on genuine concerns.

1760
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: Not you, but many of the lawmakers and a lot

1761
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 1: of the conversation around this isn't based on genuine concerns.

1762
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 4: It's based on an.

1763
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: Anti China freak out, and it's based on the worry

1764
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: that young people are forming views that the political elite

1765
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:23,600
Speaker 1: do not find to be acceptable, and they want to

1766
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: be able to, you know, to sort of coerce them

1767
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: in better manufacturer consent.

1768
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 4: So I'm, you know, not for it.

1769
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 2: I won't deny not that's certainly part of it. Yeah,

1770
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 2: that's said. I mean, especially with the for sale option,

1771
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 2: I don't see any reason not to at least try

1772
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: and pursue it. Just to highlight though and give you

1773
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 2: your due, Nikki Haley really gave the reason away as

1774
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 2: to why she wants to ban TikTok. Let's take a

1775
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 2: listen to that from back during her debate moments.

1776
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 15: We really do need to ban TikTok once and for all.

1777
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 15: And let me tell you why. For every thirty minutes

1778
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 15: that someone watches TikTok every day, they become seventeen percent

1779
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 15: more anti Semitic, more pro Hamas. Based on doing that,

1780
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 15: we now know that fifty percent of adults eighteen to

1781
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 15: twenty five think that Hamas was warranted and what they

1782
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 15: did with Israel, that's a problem.

1783
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: For every thirty minutes, you become seventeen percent more anti city.

1784
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, even though I'm going to be late, I'm not

1785
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,480
Speaker 2: sure about that one, Nicky.

1786
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: Well, and even more telling, there was some leaked audio

1787
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 1: a while back of that dude is the head of

1788
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: eighty l's num.

1789
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 4: I always forget.

1790
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, my brain is absolute mush, but saying

1791
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: exactly the same thing of we got a big problem.

1792
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: We got a big problem with young people. TikTok is

1793
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:41,840
Speaker 1: at the center of it. Let's take a listen to

1794
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: what he had to say.

1795
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 14: I also want to point out that we have a

1796
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 14: major manor major animational problem all appalling. I think an

1797
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 14: L palling by falling independent palling a cap and not

1798
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 14: a left right gap. Folks, the Asian, the United States,

1799
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 14: and support for Israel is not left and right, it

1800
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 14: is young and old. And the numbers of young people

1801
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 14: hooking that Hamas's you know, massacre was justified is shockingly

1802
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 14: and terrifyingly high. And so we really have a TikTok problem,

1803
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 14: the gen Z problem that our community needs to put

1804
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 14: the same brains that gave us Tag Lead, the same

1805
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 14: brains that gave us all these other amazing innovations, need

1806
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 14: to put our energy towards this like fast as again,

1807
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 14: like we've been chasing this left right divide. It's the

1808
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 14: wrong game.

1809
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: So we really have a TikTok problem. We really have

1810
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 1: a gen Z problem. You do have a gen Z problem,

1811
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 1: but it's not so much about TikTok. It's just people

1812
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 1: being able to see what's happening for themselves.

1813
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 3: That's why I get annoyed to because I'm like, guys,

1814
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 3: it's not a TikTok problem. And go on Twitter. You

1815
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 3: can see these xact same things, like what are you

1816
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 3: talking about? Like get you don't even need Twitter.

1817
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 2: You can go on Google, go on WhatsApp, like you

1818
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,799
Speaker 2: have people Telegram, any of these other channels.

1819
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 3: It's like, you have an Internet problem. You don't have

1820
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 3: a take.

1821
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 4: You have a reality problem. That's the truth.

1822
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 3: So there it is.

1823
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 2: By the way, if anybody's wondering, I doubt that this

1824
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 2: thing is going to go anywhere, as I understand, the

1825
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 2: Senate very unlikely to take it up, just because there's

1826
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 2: multiple TikTok pieces of legislation inside of that. Even though

1827
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 2: Biden said he would sign it as politically, it'd be

1828
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 2: a problem for him, and they have their own what's

1829
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 2: it called, they have their own Scifius review that's actually

1830
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 2: going on right now. Sifius is like the it's like

1831
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,800
Speaker 2: the organization inside of the Treasury Department which sets the

1832
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 2: kind of export import rules that I'm talking about here.

1833
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 2: That would be an easy thing to fall back on,

1834
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: and then they would likely just come to some sort

1835
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 2: of data agreement that you and I were talking about yastly.

1836
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 3: So my prediction is that's probably where we end up.

1837
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: I don't see any scenario politically where it's going to

1838
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 2: be banned where even that the forced sale. The problem

1839
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 2: in the past with the forced sale was specifically individuals

1840
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 2: like Jeff Yass sued against securities guidelines because they're like, well,

1841
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 2: you're robbing me as my rights as a US investor

1842
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 2: in BYTDW. So there's a lot of legal hurdles before

1843
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 2: we get to any of that point for any TikTokers

1844
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 2: who are out there. At the same time, we had

1845
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:09,720
Speaker 2: to do a fun story and we had to put

1846
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 2: it here to the show. People here may know my

1847
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 2: obsession with the UK Royals. Well, there has been a

1848
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 2: major discussion in the UK and I guess actually here

1849
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 2: in the US two as to where Kate Middleton is.

1850
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 2: And this all comes after Kate Middleton, it appears, had

1851
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: gone undergone surgery.

1852
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:28,840
Speaker 3: Nobody knows what's for. She hadn't been seen in public.

1853
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: There were some leaked paparazzi images that showed her in

1854
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 2: a car where there was some speculations whether they were even.

1855
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 3: Real or not.

1856
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 2: And so Kensington Palace released actually a photo of Kate

1857
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 2: Middleton with her three children. But a very interesting saga

1858
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 2: has since unfolded because the photo was meant to quell

1859
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 2: speculation as to her well being and exactly what was.

1860
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 3: Going on with her.

1861
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 2: But the photo now has been revealed to have been

1862
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 2: pretty heavily photo edited. Let's put this up there on

1863
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 2: the screen. Just yesterday, the Royal correspondence out of the UK.

1864
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 2: We're noting that at least three international picture agencies, including

1865
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 2: the AP, the AFP and Reuters, have refused to distribute

1866
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 2: the photo that was released by Kate Middleton and her children,

1867
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 2: saying that the quote the source has been manipulating the image.

1868
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 2: Let's go to the next part because it actually shows

1869
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 2: the specific problems. There were some major photoshop errors in

1870
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 2: the mirror behind one of her son's head in terms

1871
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 2: of the blending between this red sweater, there pattern matching

1872
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 2: that happened there on the left, and then also weird

1873
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: things going on with the finger that was crossed in

1874
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 2: the photo. Now, this is not the most important news, Crystal,

1875
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 2: but for some reason this has reached escape Velocity online as.

1876
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 3: To what is going on with this lady? Is she okay?

1877
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: There have been all kinds of jokes and all of this,

1878
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 2: so this really could not be a worst possible situation.

1879
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 2: We have an update actually from Kate Middleton if we

1880
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 2: can put it up there please on the screen, in

1881
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 2: which she says, like many amateur photographers, I do occasionally

1882
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 2: experiment with editing. I want to share my apologies for

1883
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,600
Speaker 2: any confusion the family photograph. We shared yesterday cause I

1884
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: hope everyone celebrating had a very happy Mother's Day.

1885
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,560
Speaker 3: For those wondering they have a different Mother's Day in

1886
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 3: the UK, no idea. Why so, that's what it is, Crystal.

1887
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 2: They release an image, people very quickly online are like,

1888
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 2: this is horribly edited, and then every major photo wire

1889
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 2: from Getty, APAFP, Reuters immediately puts a kill button on

1890
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 2: the image and just vastly explodes a lot of the

1891
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 2: constituency as to what's going on with Kate.

1892
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: So she had this surgery surgery a month ago, yes,

1893
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,520
Speaker 1: and she has not been seen in public.

1894
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 2: Well, allegedly in a paparazzi photo, although the Royal influencer

1895
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 2: some say that it's a fake photo.

1896
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1897
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 1: Oh okay, And so I mean to me, if you're

1898
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 1: going to put out the statement like, oh ga, sorry guys,

1899
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: it sort of screwed up the editing on this photo.

1900
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: Why don't you release like the real photo without the editing,

1901
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: and then we could all be like, oh, she's fine.

1902
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 3: This is your problem that I keeps.

1903
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,759
Speaker 2: So for example, King Charles announced that he has cancer,

1904
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 2: but he won't tell anybody what kind of cancer he has.

1905
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 3: And now here.

1906
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 2: It's like, guys, you're the world fan. First of all,

1907
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 2: you're an outdated institution. You're lucky that you still survive. Also,

1908
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 2: all of your income comes from the public in terms

1909
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 2: of like appropriated from Parliament. It's complicated in terms of

1910
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 2: like the ownership and how exactly they derive their income

1911
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 2: and all that. But ostensibly, the only reason they're still

1912
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 2: around is that they're the heads of state and they're

1913
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 2: the figureheads and they're controlled by the state. It's like, well,

1914
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 2: why exactly, then, are do you claim the same right

1915
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 2: to privacy as any as any like average Joe who's

1916
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: on the street. You guys are basically living a billionaire lifestyle,

1917
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: genuine kings and queens, not even metaphorical gangs, and we

1918
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 2: don't know anything about your health or about anything that's

1919
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 2: going on there.

1920
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: Right Well, and you're the royal expert on me. But

1921
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 1: my understanding is Kay was really looking for this life.

1922
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 3: Wow, this is very cool.

1923
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 6: She was.

1924
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'm touching on something that's touchy.

1925
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,799
Speaker 3: Depends what you ask. If you were to watch, the lady.

1926
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 4: Was getting into that.

1927
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. She knew was the game. Okay, so

1928
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 3: let's let's just put it this way.

1929
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,320
Speaker 2: From the very early days of their relationship, she knew

1930
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 2: exactly what she was getting into from the tabloids, et cetera.

1931
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 3: They've had their own wars.

1932
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 2: Kate Milton has her sister too in terms of the tabloids,

1933
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 2: et cetera. The real I think, just like shock factor

1934
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 2: here is like you said, she still didn't release the

1935
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 2: unedited photo, right, and she didn't get for any other

1936
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 2: thing but as to her condition. And there was also

1937
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 2: some sketchy stuff where Prince William actually canceled an engagement

1938
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 2: last minute and he was like, gave no explanation, and

1939
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 2: people were like, well, what's going on here, Like what

1940
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 2: is happening? So yeah, So you've got the King who's

1941
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 2: undergoing cancer treatment and we don't know his prognosis, We

1942
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 2: don't know whether he's sick or not, what kind of cancer,

1943
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: what treatment he's undergoing. Now we've got the princess who

1944
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 2: had this crazy something like mysterious surgery and she hasn't

1945
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 2: been seen in public. They have no events on the

1946
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: calendar in the future. It just for me, it comes

1947
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 2: back to and actually, what's funny too is a lot

1948
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 2: of this discourse is us base because the Brits abide

1949
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 2: by all of these censorious laws. So, for example, that

1950
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: paparazzi photo I'm talking about was leaked to TMZ, it

1951
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 2: was not published in the British press because they want

1952
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 2: to respect the privacy of the royals, to which I say, guys, are.

1953
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 3: You a real country or not?

1954
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 2: Like listening to the King or queen, they're afraid of

1955
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 2: recreating a Princess Diana thing because they still feel guilty

1956
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: for they think they're.

1957
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: Rozzi chasing her and then she's her dying in that

1958
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: horrible car crash. I mean, listen, in general, I don't

1959
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: really care about these people or what they're up to,

1960
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 1: but you can't help but resist, like the good mystery

1961
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: and potential conspiracy, conspiracy of whatever the ell is going

1962
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: on here. And so obviously she doesn't didn't answer any

1963
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: of the many questions that people have. And I'm also

1964
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 1: just perplexed by the incredible badness of the photoshop or AI, Like,

1965
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Speaker 1: if you're the royal family and you're gonna put out

1966
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Speaker 1: a fake photo, at least get some experts.

1967
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Speaker 4: Really, we got the tech.

1968
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Speaker 1: Now, you could have done this and no one would

1969
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:07,799
Speaker 1: have even noticed, right, But it was so sloppy in hanmhand.

1970
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Speaker 3: You're the princess of Wales, you have the future queen

1971
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 3: of England. You ain't got any boats.

1972
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Speaker 4: In photo chef. Can we have her?

1973
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: All three people on staff here who could do a

1974
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 2: better job. Absolutely, absolutely, the youngest of our chaff, he

1975
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: could put that thing out. You have no problems, all right,

1976
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: No twisted fingers, no pattern. How is this even possible?

1977
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 2: It is too crazy to believe that. I actually do

1978
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:32,759
Speaker 2: believe her story now at this point.

1979
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Speaker 4: Really do you think she just did it?

1980
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's so terrible, it's really bad.

1981
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Speaker 2: The thing with the sweater and all that. But man,

1982
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 2: she has no idea what she lit on fire. Like

1983
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Speaker 2: I said, there are speaking of TikTok, which we previously

1984
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 2: talked about. There there are ladies out there whose entire

1985
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 2: careers on TikTok with millions of followers. It's just tracking

1986
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 2: every single one of these things. So congratulations to them

1987
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 2: because they all just got a lot more.

1988
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Speaker 1: Content, amazing content, and for us too, apparently. All right,

1989
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Speaker 1: let's move on to much more serious matters with to

1990
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Speaker 1: US policy visa Israel and Gaza. We have new details

1991
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Speaker 1: about this stupid fricking temporary port situation the President announced

1992
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Speaker 1: last week in his State of the Union. Let's go

1993
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Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen. So these are

1994
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Speaker 1: the new details from the Department of Defense, and we

1995
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: just read to you what we have learned. So this

1996
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 1: is going to the construction of this temporary peer is

1997
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Speaker 1: going to require over one thousand US military personnel. It

1998
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 1: will take about sixty days to plan and execute, so

1999
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Speaker 1: we're talking about about two months before this is even

2000
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Speaker 1: up and running. US Army seventh Transportation Brigade Expeditionary from

2001
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 1: Virginia is tasked with this mission. Maintains the ability to

2002
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 1: provide unique capabilities from offshore without US military presence within Gaza.

2003
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,600
Speaker 1: The US Navy will not play a role because it

2004
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 1: doesn't require combat capability. Working with military Sealift Command and

2005
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 1: logistics support vessels involved. Multiple ships from across the world

2006
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 1: will come together j last Joint Logistics over the Shore

2007
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: operation confirmed employed last year in Australia, will be loaded

2008
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:06,280
Speaker 1: from Cyprus, taken to the floating peer, barged to a

2009
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Speaker 1: causeway brought ashore by quote unquote partners don't know who

2010
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 1: that is into Gaza. Working with like minded countries and

2011
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 1: partners who will provide security and assistance on the ground. Again,

2012
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: still very amorphous and undefined, sending out prepared to deploy

2013
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 1: orders and process provide up to two million meals per

2014
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 1: day under Sentcom command.

2015
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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, there's so much to say about this.

2016
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Speaker 4: Let's go and put the visual up on the screen too,

2017
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Speaker 4: so you guys can see.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like, it's difficult to talk about this

2019
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: in a way without first establishing that this is just

2020
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: a pr move to try to make the Biden and

2021
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 1: give the Biden administration some sort of message they can

2022
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 1: take to the base to try to claim that they

2023
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: actually care about the starvation suffering of the Palace in

2024
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: any population.

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Speaker 4: So that's number one to keep in mind with all

2026
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Speaker 4: of this.

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Speaker 1: Number Two, even if you take this seriously as an idea,

2028
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Speaker 1: it's got a whole lot of problems. The whole issue

2029
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: right now isn't that there aren't roads into Gaza and

2030
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: plenty of aid available to go into Gaza. The issue

2031
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 1: is Israel blocking that aid.

2032
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Speaker 4: Going through.

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Speaker 1: Establishing a temporary peer doesn't change any of those dynamics.

2034
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Speaker 1: The only two things that change those dynamics are number one,

2035
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Speaker 1: pressureing and forcing Israel to allow that aid in and

2036
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Speaker 1: number two a permanent and lasting ceasefire. Obviously, a temporary

2037
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: peer does not accomplish either of those things.

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Speaker 2: Soger, Yeah, I mean, this entire idea is totally ridiculous.

2039
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Speaker 2: What it also the DoD just casually confirming. By the way,

2040
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Speaker 2: when they say up to one thousand troops, that means

2041
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Speaker 2: five thousand, just so everybody who speaks up, and.

2042
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Speaker 1: I assume when they say sixty days, that probably means that.

2043
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Speaker 2: Means three hundred days, whatever they like. I love how

2044
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 2: over one thousand, what does that mean? That could mean

2045
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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand. It doesn't mean anything great.

2046
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Speaker 4: It's not gonna be less than a thousand.

2047
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Speaker 2: Ivan covered the Pentagon, and watching the way that they

2048
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 2: do the counting tricks in Syria, it will all be

2049
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 2: fake if it's over one hundred and seventy nine days

2050
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Speaker 2: and they have to acknowledge it, which means every one

2051
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy nine day, they'll rotate everybody in and out.

2052
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 2: All of the details here demonstrate and confirm all of

2053
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 2: our worst suspicions, which are Israelis inspecting US military cargo,

2054
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of American soldiers who are involved in

2055
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 2: this mission, probably tens of billions of dollars that this

2056
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 2: will require putting American soldiers in harm's way.

2057
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Speaker 3: I mean, what are we all going to just.

2058
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,600
Speaker 2: Trust the accuracy of the Israelis whenever it comes to

2059
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Speaker 2: our guys who are there. I mean, I wouldn't do that.

2060
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:37,360
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put them in a combat zone. And yet

2061
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 2: that is the preferred solution of this entire thing. Plus

2062
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 2: talking about like a D day level, you know, mission,

2063
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 2: when we have perfectly ten good entry ways that are

2064
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 2: right there, it'd be a lot cheaper. It's the eight

2065
01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 2: is waiting. We can just send it in there. And

2066
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Speaker 2: yet that's not the option that we're pursuing.

2067
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Speaker 1: And people are starving. Children are starving two days right now.

2068
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: They are starving. And by the way, those warnings have

2069
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 1: been coming for months now. It's been clear since the

2070
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 1: beginning of Israel's assault on Gaza that we would had

2071
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 1: in this direction when they announced a complete siege. So

2072
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 1: all of this was predictable, and this is clearly no solution.

2073
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 1: The press corps picking up on some of exactly the

2074
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 1: questions that you are raising, Sager and pressing the Pentagon

2075
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: on a number of key issues, one of them being

2076
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we just watched the Flower massacre where hungry

2077
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 1: Gazans were trying to get food off of an AID truck.

2078
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: These raally military fires on them, and over one hundred

2079
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: are massacred in this horrific incident. That's not the only

2080
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 1: time either, far from it, that hungry Palestinians have been

2081
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: fired on by the is Israeli military while they are

2082
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 1: trying to seek aid. So one of the questions I

2083
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 1: was asked of the Pentagon was, hey, are you going

2084
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 1: to make sure that Israel isn't firing on people who

2085
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: are trying to obtain starving Palestinians who are trying to

2086
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: obtain this aid.

2087
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:04,559
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that response.

2088
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 12: We received assurances from the Israelis that they will fire

2089
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 12: upon Palestinians as they seek to retrieve the aid.

2090
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Speaker 16: Look, well, you know, our focus is on delivering the aid.

2091
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 16: I'm not going to speak for the Israelis, obviously the

2092
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:16,839
Speaker 16: focus make.

2093
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Sure, thank you, So, No, we have no assurances that

2094
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 1: the Israeli military isn't going to fire on the starving

2095
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: civilians who are trying to obtain this temporary port delivered aid.

2096
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 1: There's another question, though, which is, Hey, are our soldier

2097
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: is going to be safe the one thousand plus who

2098
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: are involved in constructing this or are you afraid that

2099
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 1: Hamas could fire on this temporary peer.

2100
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 4: No assurance is there either. Let's take a listen to.

2101
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:47,560
Speaker 3: That duty anticipate that Hamas will try to fire on

2102
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Speaker 3: them on the operation.

2103
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 16: You know, look, I mean that's certainly a risk. Again,

2104
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:58,280
Speaker 16: but if the the if Hamas truly does care about

2105
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 16: the Palestinian peep, then again one would hope that this

2106
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 16: international mission to deliver aid to people who need it

2107
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:09,679
Speaker 16: would be able to happen unhindered.

2108
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 4: That's certainly to prayer a risk.

2109
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, the reason they're doing this

2110
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 1: peer is so that they don't technically have quote unquote

2111
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: boots on the ground. But this is an extraordinary admission that,

2112
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: of course our service members are being put once again

2113
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:28,839
Speaker 1: in harm's way. Why because we don't want to pressure

2114
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: the Israelis to allow in the trucks that are already

2115
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 1: masked at the border, and we don't want to pressure

2116
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,600
Speaker 1: the Israelis to have an actual cease fire so that

2117
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: Palestinians are able to live. I mean that is the

2118
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Speaker 1: height of your responsibility and insanity. And this is just

2119
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Speaker 1: an utter boondoggle.

2120
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Speaker 2: The whole thing is completely nuts. We even saw more

2121
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 2: recent evidence of this. Let's put this up there on

2122
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 2: the screen. Tragic news, but actually exactly why dropping aid

2123
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:58,799
Speaker 2: from the air is pretty inefficient, not all that reliable.

2124
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:01,679
Speaker 2: At least five people were actual killed after airdrop AID

2125
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 2: fell on them in Gaza because their parachutes didn't deploy.

2126
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 2: I mean this, it's inaccurate. It's not enough food in

2127
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 2: the first place. There's plenty of food waiting on the

2128
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 2: other side of the border. That doesn't take sixty to

2129
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 2: ninety days to build, that doesn't take thousands of American

2130
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 2: service members being put in harm's way.

2131
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 3: And just take a look here of the video of

2132
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 3: what this looks like.

2133
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 2: I mean, that's you know, the American plane that's there,

2134
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 2: the AID I believe, with the cooperation of the Royal

2135
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 2: Jordanian Air Force, that's falling down everywhere around them in Gaza.

2136
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 2: You can actually see it is dropping, you know, quite quickly.

2137
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 2: But it just just highlights the ridiculousness of the whole situation.

2138
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 2: There's all this AID that's waiting on the other side

2139
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 2: of the border. All you have to do is just say, hey,

2140
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 2: let it in, or we're not going to allow you

2141
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 2: to continue to prosecute.

2142
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:44,680
Speaker 3: This war this way.

2143
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 2: Just let's have a ceaspar let's allow some of this

2144
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 2: that's come in, and instead we're going to build a

2145
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 2: port on the other side Hamas may or may not

2146
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 2: fire on it. Also, who wants to bet this is

2147
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:57,760
Speaker 2: the greatest Israeli plan ever. All that it's gonna take

2148
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 2: is one idiot in Gaza to fire a rocket and

2149
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 2: now we're in the damn war.

2150
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Speaker 3: And that's what they want. That's what they've been begging

2151
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 3: for from day one.

2152
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 2: They want us to take security control, to pay all

2153
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,640
Speaker 2: their bills like we always do. And you know, you

2154
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 2: don't hear any you hear silence from Congress. How can

2155
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 2: they allow something like this to happen? Yeah, you know,

2156
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:19,639
Speaker 2: in terms of their overview, do they should defund this product?

2157
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 2: They should with whole funding or something to keep our

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Speaker 2: people safe and not have to go into this situation.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing is crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's completely insane. I mean, I really am

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Speaker 1: genuinely losing my mind over the insanity of it, because

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01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: it's long it's expensive, and it doesn't solve any of

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Speaker 1: the existing problems when there is a very obvious, glaring

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01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 1: solution staring right in the face, which is to allow

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Speaker 1: in the AID that is right there and to have

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Speaker 1: a ceasefires. Part of the picture of the starvation of

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Speaker 1: Palestinians in Gaza which has reached horrific levels, and I'm

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Speaker 1: talking a little bit more about this in my monologue

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Speaker 1: as well, but part of that picture which we have

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Speaker 1: been covering is these protests which have been allowed to

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Speaker 1: persist by the IDEF and the Israeli government. Israeli police

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01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 1: force have allowed these protesters to block AID coming into

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Speaker 1: the Gaza strip. CNN's Clarissa Award, to her credit, went

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Speaker 1: and talked to these protesters and argued with them a

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Speaker 1: bit about what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to how that went.

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Speaker 9: Under international law, it's Israel's obligation to make sure that

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Speaker 9: the ordinary citizens of Gaza don't starve to death, and

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Speaker 9: right now they are starving to Deathmas.

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Speaker 17: Is making it very difficult because Ramas is not allowing

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Speaker 17: this to they're.

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Speaker 15: Not holding it, they're not receiving it, but they're doing it.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you here and now.

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Speaker 17: If we knew it's getting to children of Gaza, we

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Speaker 17: will do it. This does not arrive there's those steps.

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Speaker 11: This arrives into the chunnels of Ramasta that affighting us

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Speaker 11: on holding our hostages.

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Speaker 18: No, there was no evidence to support the idea that

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Speaker 18: all of this aid is going to Hamas, not.

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Speaker 19: To the rest of the population. This is intelligence only

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Speaker 19: for terror.

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Speaker 17: That's why they're.

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Speaker 19: Getting They should get only the minimum colories required to survive.

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Speaker 9: They're starving to death.

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Speaker 10: They are not.

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Speaker 3: They are starving to death.

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Speaker 17: You know what, if they are starting to death, give

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Speaker 17: us back, give the hostages back. No, a single a

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Speaker 17: loaf of bread should go there till our hostages are

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Speaker 17: coming back.

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Speaker 18: To many people in the world listening to what you're

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Speaker 18: saying and what you're protesting for, it sounds like a

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Speaker 18: a contravention of international law and b incredibly callous.

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Speaker 19: You know, even if there is a humanitarian crisis, and

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Speaker 19: there is no Even if there is, it's my right

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Speaker 19: and my deality to prioritize the life of fewbieve us

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Speaker 19: one year old babies are desert over a dozen.

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Speaker 4: Babies just wild.

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Speaker 1: The justifications here. I mean, first, the denial of reality. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: they're not starving. They literally are. I mean, we've had

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Speaker 1: now dozens of especially infants starving to death and this

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Speaker 1: is happening now on a daily basis. Infants particularly at

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Speaker 1: risk because mothers are so weak they're unable to breastfeed,

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Speaker 1: formula and milk is not widely available, difficult to come

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Speaker 1: by when you do come by it, there is effectively

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01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:28,120
Speaker 1: no clean water available. So these babies are being dispatched

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Speaker 1: from the hospital, they're immediately getting sick, having diarrhea, and

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Speaker 1: just literally wasting away.

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Speaker 4: So that's where we are. So that's the first thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're not really starving. There isn't really a humanitarian crisis. Also,

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01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: Hamas is just stealing the aid. There's not evidence of

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Speaker 1: that either. I mean there may be some one off instances,

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Speaker 1: but we have not seen widespread indications that Hamas is

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Speaker 1: stealing the aid anyway. Basically, the bottom line is, even

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Speaker 1: if there is a humanitarian crisis, I don't really care

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Speaker 1: because it's my duty to prioritize me and my line first.

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Speaker 4: And again, Sager, let's be honest. This is the view.

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Speaker 1: Not only are the Israeli government, which we've seen implement

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01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:10,679
Speaker 1: in terms of policy, their official government policies to basically

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01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 1: collective punishment, hold the entire population of Gaza hostage for

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01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:20,160
Speaker 1: their own ends, and additionally enjoys a lot of support

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Speaker 1: from the Israeli domestic population, which is why these protests

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Speaker 1: have been allowed to go on.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it comes at a certain point.

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Speaker 2: It's like, they're crazy people in any country, and it's

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01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:31,519
Speaker 2: about how the government deals with said crazy people. And

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Speaker 2: it's like, well, whenever you're going to spray people in

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Speaker 2: Tel Aviv w members of hostage families because they're protesting,

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Speaker 2: and you're going to break them up with police force,

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Speaker 2: but these people get to stay there with impunity, then

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Speaker 2: this is a government sanctioned protest. That's why it's worth highlighting.

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01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:50,439
Speaker 2: It's not like, yeah, I'm not denying that this element

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01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:52,560
Speaker 2: and all that wouldn't exist in Israeli society at a

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01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 2: private level, but it's more about the allowing it to

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01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:58,040
Speaker 2: continue and not I mean not even allowing in many

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01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:00,240
Speaker 2: case being cheered on by members of the cat It.

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Speaker 2: Then this is a government policy. This is something that

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01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 2: you're sanctioning and you support. That's what connects back to

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01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:10,519
Speaker 2: the debates or in the US and to specifically why

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Speaker 2: it is so crazy that we're building this peer in.

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Speaker 3: This military operation when these people.

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Speaker 2: Are the only ones standing in their way, and these

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01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 2: reelities have proven to us that they have no issues,

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01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 2: you know, using force against their own citizens whenever it

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Speaker 2: comes to civil protests and all that that they don't like.

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Speaker 2: So then do the same thing here, but they won't

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Speaker 2: do it. And that's why the whole situation is nuts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, to bring it back to US policy,

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Speaker 1: as Biden is now pretending, because you realize he has

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Speaker 1: a political problem that he cares about the suffering the

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Speaker 1: plight of Palestinian civilians.

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Speaker 4: We just learned put this up on the screen that.

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Speaker 1: There have been more than a hundred arm sales to

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Speaker 1: Israel post October seventh, and this Guardian article details how

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01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 1: they use these legal loopholes to avoid public scrutiny and

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Speaker 1: to avoid congressional oversight.

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Speaker 4: Let me just read you a little bit.

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Speaker 1: They say the US is reported to have made more

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Speaker 1: than one hundred weapons sales to Israel, including thousands of bombs,

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Speaker 1: since the start of the war in Gaza, but the

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01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 1: deliveries escape congressional oversight because each transaction was under the

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Speaker 1: dollar amount requiring approval. The Arms Export Control Act makes

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Speaker 1: significant exceptions for arms sales to close allies, a limit

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Speaker 1: of twenty five million for major defense equipment, and the

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Speaker 1: limit rises to one hundred million for quote other defense

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Speaker 1: articles like bombs. They have a number of quotes here

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Speaker 1: from people who are concerned about this policy. One person

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Speaker 1: who's the director of the Security Assistance Monitor at the

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01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:39,560
Speaker 1: Center for International Policy think tank said, this doesn't just

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Speaker 1: seem like an attempt to avoid technical compliance with US

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01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:45,600
Speaker 1: arms export law. It's extremely troubling way to avoid transparency

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Speaker 1: and accountability on.

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Speaker 4: A high profile issue.

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Speaker 1: So how are you going to claim and even MSMBZ

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Speaker 1: is calling this out at this point, how are you

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01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 1: going to claim that you care about Palestinian civilians when

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01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 1: you are skirting congressional authority to ship as many weapons

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01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 1: as possible, as quickly as possible, to destroy all of

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01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 1: Palestinian civilian institutions, to kill tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians,

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Speaker 1: something even the Biden administration admits at this point, which

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Speaker 1: really raises a question for me of what the actual

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01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 1: death toll really must be. How can you claim that

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01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 1: this little pittily bit of aid is anything but a

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01:47:26,439 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 1: pr stunt when this is the actual reality of your policy.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right, Crystal. What are you taking a

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Speaker 3: look at?

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Speaker 1: Well, take a look at this image. Bombs and aid

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01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:41,040
Speaker 1: simultaneously dropped on Palestinians from the skies above the gaza

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01:47:41,080 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: strip the perfect encapsulation of an outrageously insane and in

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01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 1: moral US policy. On the one hand, we ship two

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Speaker 1: thousand pounds bunker buster bombs to help our ally with

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Speaker 1: their genocide. On the other, we drop a pathetic amount

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Speaker 1: of food so that our murderous president can pretend he

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01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:01,120
Speaker 1: cares about these lives.

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Speaker 4: And there's an election coming up after all.

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Speaker 1: An artist captured this dynamic well too, portraying an onslaught

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Speaker 1: of bombs raining down on a destroyed gaza. Interspersed among

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01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 1: those bombs couple loaves of bread. Unfortunately, even this aid

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01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 1: has proved deadly for Palestinians. Five people, including this beautiful child,

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Speaker 1: were killed by one of these AID drops when the

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01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 1: parachute malfunctioned, bringing to awful reality the warnings of experts

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Speaker 1: that these drops are dangerous and are no substitute for

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Speaker 1: a lasting ceasefire and forcing Israel to allow in the

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Speaker 1: hundreds of AIDS trucks that are amassed at the Gaza border.

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Speaker 1: But as not only are bombs and bullets that have

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01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:42,200
Speaker 1: helped to push this population absolute desperation. We have backed

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Speaker 1: Israel at every turn when they throw on a new

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Speaker 1: set of lives in propaganda, whether it's headed babies or

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Speaker 1: a Hamas command center underneath of a hospital, or the

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01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 1: evidence free allegation that un AID workers are actually Hamas terrorists.

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Speaker 1: You remember that, right on the very day that the

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Speaker 1: Internet Court of Justice ruled Israel was plausibly committing genocide,

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Speaker 1: we parroted here in the United States Israel's evidence free

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01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 1: claims that some dozen UNRAUT employees were involved in October seven,

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Speaker 1: and then we use that as a pretext to strip

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Speaker 1: funding from that critical organization, which just so happens to

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01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 1: be the top AID organization on the ground in Gaza.

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Speaker 1: So our response the ICJ ruling was to heighten the

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Speaker 1: genocidal conditions, exacerbate the starvation by cutting aid. Of course,

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Speaker 1: even if true, these claims about a dozen employees would

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Speaker 1: not justify an attack on the entire organization, But it

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01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 1: almost immediately emerged that no evidence was actually offered by

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Speaker 1: the Israeli government to back up these extraordinary claims. The

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01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:49,919
Speaker 1: UN says they still have not been given any evidence,

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Speaker 1: and now we are learning something even more shocking. According

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Speaker 1: to the UN, the IDF tortured UNRA aid workers in

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Speaker 1: order to extract false confessions of Hamas affiliation. Really sit

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Speaker 1: with this because I can scarcely believe the depths of

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01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: depravity that this revelation reflects. The Israelis tortured UN staffers,

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Speaker 1: humanitarian aid workers. They then use these fake confessions to

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Speaker 1: push the world to defund UNRA, also that they could

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01:50:19,360 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 1: more effectively starve the civilian population, and we here in

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Speaker 1: the United States, our president went right along with it.

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Speaker 4: Here is a bit of that report.

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Speaker 1: The UN Agency for Palestinian Refugees said some employees released

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01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,600
Speaker 1: into Gaza from Israeli detention reported having been pressured by

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01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:40,240
Speaker 1: Israeli authorities into falsely stating that the agency has Hamas

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01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,879
Speaker 1: links and that staff took part in the October seventh attacks.

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Speaker 1: The assertions are contained in report by the UN Relief

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01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:49,839
Speaker 1: and Works Agency UNRA, reviewed by Reuters and dated February

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01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,479
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, which detailed allegations of mistreatment in Israeli

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01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 1: detention made by unidentified Palestinians, including several working for UNRA.

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Speaker 1: The document said several Unrepealastine Means staffers had been detained

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Speaker 1: by the Israeli army, and added that the ill treatment

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01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 1: and abuse they said they had experienced included severe physical beatings, waterboarding,

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01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:16,640
Speaker 1: and threats of harm to family members. Severe physical beatings, waterboarding,

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01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 1: and threats to family members. I guess we shouldn't be surprised,

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01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:23,639
Speaker 1: since Israel has already killed more un workers than anyone

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01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:27,759
Speaker 1: else in history, and Israel has so little shame about

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01:51:27,760 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 1: these war crimes that they proudly broadcast them to the

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01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:33,519
Speaker 1: entire world and especially to their own revenge drunk nation.

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Speaker 1: Here's a report that was broadcast on Israeli TV showing

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Speaker 1: how they humiliate his prisoners and demand that they admit

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Speaker 1: that they are actually Hamas even when they swear that

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Speaker 1: they are not that as of now, unreleased un report

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Speaker 1: that we were just discussing that says a lot more, too,

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Speaker 1: about the routine torture meted out against anyone fortunate enough

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Speaker 1: to be detained, not just those un AID workers. Former

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01:51:56,479 --> 01:51:59,719
Speaker 1: prisoners testified that they were beaten they were deprived of sleep,

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Speaker 1: they are held without adequate food and water, not allowed

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Speaker 1: access to bathrooms, and some were sexually abused. The injuries

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01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 1: sustained during their captivity were severe enough in the medical

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01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:14,519
Speaker 1: neglect so profound that every prisoner release necessitated ambulances to

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01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:19,160
Speaker 1: transport former captives for emergency medical care. And those are

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01:52:19,200 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 1: the lucky ones. Accorney to Israeli outlet Haretes, at least

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01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 1: twenty seven Palestinians have died in Israeli custody since October seventh.

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Speaker 1: The Israeli government refuses to divulge to the details surrounding

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Speaker 1: those deaths. Now, the wake of these revelations about forced

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01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:35,639
Speaker 1: under confessions, and as reports pour out of the strip

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Speaker 1: of babies starving to death, children with bodies wasted for malnutrition,

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01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 1: countries with slightly more shame than the US have actually

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01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 1: reversed course. Of the dozen countries which had suspended funding

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01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:50,760
Speaker 1: to UNRA under US and Israeli pressure, Sweden, Canada and

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01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 1: the EU have now all restored their aid dollars to

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01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:57,280
Speaker 1: this aid group, whose mission has literally never been more

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01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:59,679
Speaker 1: critical or more impossible to fulfill.

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Speaker 4: But not the US.

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01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 1: We are standing strong with our big bombs and tiny

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01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,559
Speaker 1: bread strategy, shipping the weapons of death, defunding the most

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Speaker 1: critical aid agency, and acting fox shocked at the predictable

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01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:15,160
Speaker 1: results that we ourselves engineered. And what are those results? Well,

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Speaker 1: let me show you another image which perfectly encapsulates us policy.

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Speaker 1: This precious angel, only ten years old, Yasan Kafarna, died

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01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:29,200
Speaker 1: from nolnutrition shortly after this video was taken. Yazon had

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01:53:29,240 --> 01:53:31,960
Speaker 1: cerebral palsy and was reliant on a diet of soft

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01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 1: foods with high nutrition.

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Speaker 4: He couldn't walk, but he loved to swim.

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01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 1: His father, who you see in this video, lovingly tended

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01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 1: to Yazan's care, therapy and feeding every day until the

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Speaker 1: siege on Gazan Constant bombing made that life given care impossible.

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01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,559
Speaker 1: But Yazon is not alone. Fifteen percent of northern Gaza

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01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:52,640
Speaker 1: children are acutely malnourished, and the south in number is

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01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:57,000
Speaker 1: roughly five percent. Dozens of children, mostly babies, have died

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01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:00,160
Speaker 1: already of starvation. Infants are the most at risk. Their

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01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 1: mothers are too weak to produce milk, formulas, rare, clean

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01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 1: water non existent.

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Speaker 4: But don't worry.

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01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:08,879
Speaker 1: Worry starving babies of Gaza are great president. After defunding

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01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:11,800
Speaker 1: the main aid agency based on torture force confessions and

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01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 1: helping bomb the hell out of a trop population, He's

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01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 1: building a temporary port in a few months to facilitate

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01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 1: a slightly larger but still wildly inadequate amount of aid,

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01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: an absurd boodoggle so that Biden and the Dems can

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01:54:24,439 --> 01:54:25,479
Speaker 1: pretend they aren't just.

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01:54:25,560 --> 01:54:27,640
Speaker 4: Cold hearted killers. But they are.

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01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 1: They killed Yason just as surely as if they had

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01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 1: put a gun to his head. It's applying the bombs

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01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:35,040
Speaker 1: that up ended his world, ignoring the desperate warnings that

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01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 1: famine was imminent, defunding the most important AID organization, and

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01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 1: running cover for Israel's lives at every chance they could.

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01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 1: When the history is written of the Gaza genocide, many

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01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:47,520
Speaker 1: of the details are going to be forgotten. Well, we

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01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:51,160
Speaker 1: remember this stupid frickin port. Are we going to remember

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01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 1: how Kamala called for a temporary ceasefire and the media

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01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:56,320
Speaker 1: pretended like was the actual policy shift, Or how Biden

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01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 1: sort of told MSNBC that he had red lines before

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01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 1: immediately proclaiy Aim that he will never leave Israel. Probably

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01:55:02,280 --> 01:55:04,880
Speaker 1: not out of those details will be lost, but the

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01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 1: images of yazan body, impossibly wasted skin stretched over his

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01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:14,200
Speaker 1: tiny skeleton, an image that unavoidably recalls the tortuous horrors

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01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:18,520
Speaker 1: of the Holocaust. These images, and our complicity in causing them,

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01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:22,760
Speaker 1: we could never forget if we spent our whole lives

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Speaker 1: trying and sager and.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Apologies, we had a lot to cover today, but we

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Speaker 2: will get it out to you as.

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Speaker 3: Soon as we can. We'll see you guys tomorrow.