1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: Sports is really unique. 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 3: There's not many businesses where, you know, you go to 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 3: New York and it will be very difficult for a 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 3: financial advisor on the fifth floor to go upstairs and 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: talk to Jamie Diamond, right and have a conversation with him. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: But you can do that. In sports. 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: You can go talk to you know, Mark Lazar, you 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 3: can go talk to Mark Cubans. You know, some of 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: the most successful business people in the world. You have 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 3: direct access to them, and so why you would not 12 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: utilize those opportunities makes no sense to me. 13 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 4: So, Larry Fitzgerald, this is another one we've really had 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 4: circled on the calendar seventeen years as an Arizona Cardinal 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 4: College Football Hall of Fame inductee this year, certain first 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 4: ballot Hall of Famer for the NFL, and an incredibly 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 4: successful businessman already. 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 5: And everything you just said, Jason is the least impressive thing. 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 5: It's really who this person is as a human being, 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 5: a humanitarian right, what he does in philanthropy, his relationships, 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 5: his EQ. 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 2: Is off the chart. 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 5: And this is a guy that in business has become 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 5: a titan. Larry and I have gotten to know each 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 5: other very well of the last dozen years or so, 26 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 5: and I think he's going to be even a more 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 5: successful businessman than he was Wide Receiver. 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 2: And that's saying a lot because he's payed the all 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: time greats. 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 4: And one of the biggest choices he made was to 31 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 4: really root himself here in Arizona. He gets close with 32 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 4: the late John McCain and really truly embeds himself in 33 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 4: this community in a way that feels like has made 34 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 4: an exponential difference for his impact. 35 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's a believer of going narrow and deep. Yeah, 36 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 5: But the fact that he made a conscious decision to 37 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 5: stay right here, be loyal to one market, to one 38 00:01:58,080 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 5: team pretty phenomenal. 39 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 4: So it's interesting because as he's built this portfolio, you know, 40 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: he's made some you know, venture type investments. He's on 41 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 4: several big boards Qual Tricks, He's on the board of 42 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: Dick's Sporting Goods. These are big public company boards that 43 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 4: he is really contributing to. He's invested in things like 44 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 4: Infinite Athlete, my Favorite Chess dot Com. 45 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: You played chess. I love chess, my favorite game. 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 4: And what's so fascinating about that is he's played since 47 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 4: he was seven years old, and then he sees the 48 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 4: business opportunity. He looks at this global potential for it. 49 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 4: And so it is this combination of his personal interest 50 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 4: but also very very sharp business document as well, so. 51 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 5: Many things that I'm really interested to unpack over the 52 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 5: next hour. 53 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: On this episode of The Deal. 54 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: Larry Fitzgerald, all right, well, let's start by having you 55 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 4: introduce yourself and what you do. 56 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: My name is Larry Fitzgerald. And you know, I would 57 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: say I'm a serial entrepreneur. Say that's I don't like 58 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 3: to box myself in any any one way. I'm always 59 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: looking to grow and learn. I think I'm as a 60 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 3: student of life. 61 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: Is that how you thought of yourself even as a kid. 62 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: I would say that. 63 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if I thought of myself like that 64 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: as a kid, but I would say I was described 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: that way as a kid. 66 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 4: Yeah. 67 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 3: I would even be reprimanded by my teachers for asking 68 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: too many questions often. 69 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: I was I was the kid that was that kid? 70 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: So how does it work? Again? Like so if you 71 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: did it this way, would it work that way? You know? 72 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: So I was I was always I was always that, 73 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: but I was never afraid to ask the questions. If 74 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: I didn't understand it, I want to understand it. Yeah, 75 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: and if I don't ask, I'm not going to get 76 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: the information I need. 77 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting Alex being here in Arizona. Like 78 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 4: your dad, I'm a journalist and so I have a 79 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: lot of respect for that. But you know, like you 80 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 4: love asking people questions. I know you do this too. 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: My favorite people to ask taxi drivers and Uber drivers. 82 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 4: So of course, the last couple of days here, I'm like, 83 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: Larry Fitzgerald, what do you think. 84 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 2: They're like, Oh, that's my guy. 85 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 4: I mean, but what's interesting is they say that's my guy, 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 4: and he is out everywhere. You're like deeply embedded in 87 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: this community. So I want to talk about Arizona. You 88 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 4: come to play here, but you really choose to make 89 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 4: it your place. 90 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 2: Why. Yeah. 91 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying this dispar as anybody else in 92 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 3: the way they go about their business, but I think 93 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 3: the younger generation are really shortsighted in how they look 94 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: at their careers, right. And I always wanted to kind 95 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: of think about a forty year plan as opposed to 96 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: a four year plan. Yeah, I could go over here 97 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: and chase a ring there, but there's no way I 98 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: would be able to have a deep, thoughtful relationship with 99 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 3: the city and the people there. You know, I can 100 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: go to the Boys and Girls Club here and I've 101 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 3: had a relationship with them for twenty years. Big brothers, 102 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: big sisters, you know, Zion Institute of Education, like I 103 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 3: can go on down the list that I've known the 104 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 3: CEOs board members for a decade and we have a 105 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: relationship that is it's not transactional, and they understand it. 106 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: They see me in the field, they seen me working, 107 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 3: you know, in terms of real estate development, you talk 108 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: about restaurants, government relations like all of those. I have 109 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: great relationships here. It's because I was I've been here 110 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: for twenty years and they've seen the good. They followed 111 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 3: me during the bad, and they see that I'm loyal 112 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: and they've shown me the same loyalty. And I just 113 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: don't think I would have been able to do that 114 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: if I would have bounced from city to city to city. 115 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: Arizona's given me everything seventeen years. They'd help me live 116 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: my dream. Now I almost spend the next fifty sixty 117 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: god willing years I'm here on this earth giving back 118 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 3: what I feel like I received and like, that was 119 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: my thought process at twenty years old, is my thought 120 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 3: process at forty, and hopefully it'll be my same process 121 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 3: thought process at sixty. 122 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 123 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 4: I was reading about the College Football Hall of Fame 124 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 4: and even the folks at Pitt were talking about this. 125 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 4: One thing just caught me with this idea that every 126 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 4: time you scored a touchdown, just handed the ball lead 127 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 4: to the official, Like there's this psych mindset that you 128 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: have always had that is even It feels like where 129 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 4: does that come from? 130 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: Well? I was. 131 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: I come from a family of a bunch of educators, 132 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: and I'll take you back to a story from my grandfather. 133 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 2: My grandfather was one of. 134 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: The leaders of the of the Kappa's you know fraternity, 135 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: and I remember as I was probably my second or 136 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: third year, you know, a couple couple of years, I've 137 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: made all pro and I went back to Chicago to 138 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: see my grandfather. He was there with a bunch of 139 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 3: his friends. They were there doing a fundraiser for you 140 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: know something I can't remember, and Grandfather's I want you 141 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: guys to meet once you meet my grandson, and I 142 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: was like, yeah, yeah, okay. So he brings me over. 143 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 3: He's a bunch of like fifteen guys, and he's like, 144 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 3: this is my grandson, Larry. He's the only grandson that 145 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 3: I have that doesn't have his college degree. 146 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: That's how he introduced me. No, seriously, that's how he 147 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: induced me. 148 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: So like, it didn't it didn't matter what I was doing, 149 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: how many touchdowns I called. You know, education is something 150 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 3: that's important to this family, and you're the only one 151 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: that doesn't have it out of your cousin. 152 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 2: So I need you. I need you to get that. 153 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: They always had a way of like letting you know, 154 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: like sports is great, but you know you're gonna make 155 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: your greatest impact with your brain, and so like that 156 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: was always something that was kind of drilled into us 157 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 3: at a really young age. And so I really I 158 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: appreciate my career, don't. I don't want to take anything 159 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: away from it. I set out to do it, and 160 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: I was able to achieve great things. But sports was 161 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: just another chapter in the book. 162 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: Larry, let's talk a little bit about Minnesota. I about 163 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: a home there. I love it. Tell me about growing up. 164 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 5: I mean, who were some of your favorite sports teams, 165 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 5: some of the people you looked up to, And tell 166 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 5: me a little bit about the people of Minnesota. 167 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Alice, you hit it on the head. 168 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: I think you know you hear Minnesota nice quite often, 169 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: and you know, I don't really notice it until there's 170 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: like certain things. You know, you go to New York 171 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: and you go to California, the paces, it's like much faster. 172 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: You go home and you see a lady pushing their bags. 173 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: You know, she's walking out of you know, cub Foods. 174 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: You know it's a local grocery store, and like you 175 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: see people like rushing to her to help her put 176 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: her bags in the car. Yeah, growing up in Minnesota 177 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: was like truly a blessing for me and I have 178 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 3: so many fun men. Some of my mentors, like Kirby Pucket, 179 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 3: God rest his soul, Hall of Fame center fielder MVP, 180 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: Like he would invite us by the house for Thanksgiving. 181 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: You know, I would go to the park. You know 182 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: my dad. Media interviews were done before in baseball games, 183 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: very different from like basketball football would have happened after 184 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: They go and talk to me before the games. And 185 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: you know, I remember Kirby Pucket for a seven o'clock 186 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: game would be at the park at eleven. You know, 187 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: he'd be at the park at eleven taking pop flies 188 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: because the met you're dome probably played in the metric dome, 189 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: Like when you hit it up into the to the 190 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: roof the white ceiling, would you know, you know, cause 191 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: a lot of problems with You've seen it, and Kirby 192 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: would do it a hundred times before every game, you know, 193 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 3: twelve o'clock in the afternoon for a seven o'clock game. 194 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: You so, like, I just saw the dedication, the commitment 195 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: to excess. He's been playing ten plus years in his building, 196 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: but he never took it for granted. He worked on 197 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 3: it every single day. And like that attention to detail 198 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 3: really resonated with me. Chris Carter, who was, you know, 199 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: wildly known as the guy who had the best hands 200 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: of the National Football League, right and I was thinking 201 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 3: he had the best hands, and I would see after 202 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 3: practice he would catch two hundred balls every day, all 203 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: of these little you know, nuggets that I would see 204 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: that My dad was able to let me see. He 205 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: exposed me to these opportunities and it was great to 206 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 3: be ten, eleven, twelve years old. 207 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: That's a dream. You know. 208 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: Why Kevin Garnett was different. Yeah, you know, practice starts 209 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: at nine and he's there at six and a full 210 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: sweat before practice starts, when these young guys are walking 211 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 3: in the gym, and his twelve year veteran. I mean, 212 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: like that type of commitment to excellence with things that 213 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: I saw. 214 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 5: Every day last week speaking of teachers, and you know, 215 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 5: one of the big themes is mentors. And I saw 216 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 5: your father just a couple of days ago. He was 217 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 5: at a Timboles game. Very respected mister Fitzgerald. He says, 218 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 5: tell my son, I say hello. I was like, yes, sir, 219 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 5: what impact did he have in your life? 220 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: I mean, my father and my mother were the catalyst, 221 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: you know, for everything. And my mom and dad they 222 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: worked two opposite end of the spectrum. My dad, you know, 223 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: sports journalists for forty four years now in the Twin 224 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: Cities area, and you know, you name it. You know, 225 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 3: I got a chance to be a around Magic Johnson, 226 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: Shaquille and Neil Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley, Kirby Pucket, 227 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: Mark McGuire, you know, and then on the Vikings, Randy 228 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: Moss and Chris Carter and you like, the list goes 229 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: on and long. And then my mom was in the 230 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: nonprofit space and you know, she worked primarily in HIV 231 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: and age and breast cancer fields, and so there was 232 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: times it was really difficult to internalize some of the 233 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: things that I saw, you know, at a young age. 234 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 3: I mean from the age of probably seven to eighteen, 235 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: I probably saw, no exaggeration, thirty people lose their lives 236 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: to complications of HIV and age and also losing their 237 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: lives to cancer, and so it gave me a really 238 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: interesting perspective on life. I saw the balance. I saw 239 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: how great it can be if you work really hard 240 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: to achieve your goals. And then I saw also the 241 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: human side, where I mean, life can be very difficult 242 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: and it could be a lot of times things that 243 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: were out of your control and circumstances you couldn't control. 244 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 3: And so I think it helped me develop a really 245 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 3: strong empathy for people, understanding everybody, everybody's different walks of life, 246 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: and you know, I think it just made me a 247 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: more compassionate person. 248 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 5: Larry, So, I've talked to Jason a lot about this, 249 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 5: Like I'm a byproduct of some great mentors, Magic Johnson 250 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 5: being one of them. I remember twenty five years ago 251 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 5: he took me out to mastros in La and it 252 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 5: was supposed to be a thirty minute meeting. We sat 253 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 5: for like three and a half hours and he literally 254 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 5: gave me his playbook and I still have notes from 255 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 5: that mentors. We talked about your father and your mom, 256 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 5: obviously that's where it starts. Any others that you've tried 257 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 5: to resemble over the years, or people that have had 258 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 5: a big impact on you so many and I would 259 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 5: include you in that. Magic Johnson was similar to me. 260 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 5: I met him out at the Melcan Institute thirteen or so, 261 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 5: fourteen years ago. We were on a panel together about sports, 262 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 5: and after the panel, he spent thirty minutes with me 263 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 5: to so many people around him at the Melican Institute, 264 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 5: and he gave me his undivided attention. He told me, Larry, 265 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 5: you know, you have an opportunity right now when you're playing, 266 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 5: you know, to really maximize the relationships that you have. 267 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 5: And he pretty much told me every city I would 268 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 5: go to, I would reach out and have lunch. 269 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,319 Speaker 2: And I did the exact same thing. 270 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: I go to Dallas, and you know, I would sit 271 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 3: down with Mark Cuban, invite him down and try to 272 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: get as many teammates I could go to New York 273 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 3: and John Waldron from Gold and Sacks would come talk 274 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: to us. If I go back even further. You know, 275 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: in two thousand and seven, I was in New York, 276 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: just had a random New York Knicks basketball game, and 277 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 3: I'll never forget This guy came up to me, introduced himself. 278 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: He said, Hey, my name is Frank. I said, hey, Frank, 279 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 3: nice to meet you. So I've been following you for 280 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: a long time. I said, that's awesome. He said, my 281 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: daughter went to Syracuse while you were at Pitt and 282 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 3: I think you have a really bright future. I was like, 283 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 3: I'm thinking to myself, I'm twenty four years old. What 284 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: does he mean I have a bright future. 285 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: I just started my career. Is my fourth year. 286 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: He's like, no, I think you have a bright future 287 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 3: after you get done playing. And I'm thinking, like, I 288 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 3: hope I play a lot longer. Like what is he 289 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 3: talking about? He said, I want to delve deeper into 290 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: this conversation with He gave me his business card. We 291 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 3: ended up staying in contact. His name is Frank bizig Nano. 292 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 3: He's now the CEO of Fisser, largest data processing company 293 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 3: credit card processing company in the country. He was a 294 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: CEO at the time at JP Morgan. He ended up 295 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: inviting me to do an internship in New York in 296 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: the middle of the football offseason, and I'm thinking, man, 297 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: it would be a lot more fun probably to go 298 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: train in La or Miami do something fun, right, and 299 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: you know, but then I started thinking, like, man, this 300 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: is a really unique opportunity. I'm in a classroom with 301 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: you know, Dartmouth and Harvard and Stanford and Yale and 302 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 3: Ross and you know, you name all the great schools. 303 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: These kids are all there. And I've never been as 304 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 3: intimidated as I was hitting that classroom because I wasn't 305 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: like formally trained like a lot of the kids. But 306 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 3: you know, after the week, I felt like I had 307 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 3: so much more confidence in myself because like, yeah, they 308 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: might be trained specifically be bankers, but like they were 309 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: kind of linear in how they thought. Yeah, when when 310 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 3: things kind of changed, you know, they didn't do a 311 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: great job of adjusting to certain things. And like, I 312 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 3: feel like that was kind of my strength, bringing people together, collaborating, 313 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 3: you know, helping people with their confidence, and those same 314 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: things I was applying as an athlete, I could do 315 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: that in the business world and so I think it 316 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 3: gave me, like a it gave me a real jolt 317 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 3: of confidence that I could I could venture off and 318 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: do some other things. And that's kind of where it started. 319 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: And I started doing internships every off season, you know, 320 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: real estate development, you know, venture capital, private equity, mezzanine funding, 321 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: philanthropy to learn about different foundations. And that would have 322 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: never happened if Frank never took me aside and challenged me, 323 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 3: you know, because nobody had ever challenged me from a 324 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: business perspective, like you need to start thinking about this, 325 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 3: You need to start thinking about it right now at 326 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 3: twenty four years old. And you know, I really appreciated 327 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: that because, like, fortunately enough, I was able to play 328 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 3: until I was thirty seven. But Alice, you know how 329 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: many great athletes come and they have all the promise 330 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: in the world, but one bad step, you know, blow 331 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: a knee out or a great picture that's god unbelievable 332 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: command and doesn't have Tommy Johnson never able to regain 333 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: what they had in the past. So like time is 334 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: of the essence if you think about it, because we're 335 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: on borrow time, Like you know, you can play twenty. 336 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: Two years if God blesses your life. 337 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 3: But in reality, that's not going to happen for most right, 338 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: And so I think you just have to be proactive 339 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: and how you approach mentorship and you know, just be 340 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: open to it. 341 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 4: Well, one mentor do I believe you know, was local 342 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 4: to you here and obviously he had a big impact 343 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 4: with John McCain. He spoke at his memorial in a 344 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 4: very moving way. I mean, tell us about him, because 345 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 4: that's not a match that necessarily people would wouldn't necessarily 346 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 4: come up with Arizona obviously in common, but tell us 347 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 4: about that relationship. 348 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I met him at a like a fundraising 349 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: cocktail receptionist. I'm not a political person. Do you want 350 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: to turn people off you start talking about politics? Yea 351 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: half the people they're gonna be walking out of the 352 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: room in a minute. And so like I met him 353 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: and yeah, he was so kind and generous with his 354 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: time when I met him the first time, and like, 355 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: I knew who he was, but I didn't really know 356 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: who he was. And you know, he was like, hey 357 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: are you are you busy? You know, In the next 358 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: couple of weeks, I ended up having a coffee with 359 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 3: him and we just started just building a relationship. 360 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: And he used to always try to get me to 361 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: get involved in politicians. 362 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: I was like, Sena, that's not my studies, that's not 363 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: much ease, but but I love getting to know you 364 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: and like his heart. 365 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: Man. 366 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 3: I remember coming back from DC one time and he 367 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: used to fly commercial like he wasn't right flying back 368 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 3: for on private jets, and every single person that walked 369 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 3: up to him, like, he made time for that person, 370 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: shook their hands, looked him in the eyes, asked him 371 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 3: how they're doing. Are you happy with your job? Is 372 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: there anything I can help you with? Literally, like I'm 373 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: I mean, it took us an hour to get from 374 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: the gate to the backage claim. And that was because 375 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: every single person he made time for. And I was like, man, 376 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: I'm twenty seven years old, I'm multiple all pros, Like 377 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: I need to start thinking the way he does. And 378 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: you know, then you look at some of the things 379 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: he did while he was running for president and how 380 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 3: genuinely thoughtful he was, and I just really admired the 381 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 3: way he went about his business and how authentic and 382 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 3: intentional he was about his relationships. 383 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 4: And so when you sort of weave all this together, 384 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 4: all these experiences, and I'm so fascinated by that Frank 385 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 4: Bysignano story. What does that sort of either unlock for 386 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: you or how does it help you kind of create 387 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 4: your for lack of a better term, sort of business mindset. 388 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so my business mindset, I wouldn't say it is 389 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 3: like like this, this is what I'm going to focus on, right, 390 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 3: And there's things that I do spend more time on, 391 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 3: and you know, hopefully as I go further on into 392 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 3: my business career that I'll be able to focus even 393 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 3: more on some of the things that I'm like really 394 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 3: really passionate, like you know, angel investing in venture capital, 395 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: which I really feel like I can make a sizable 396 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 3: impact with the relationships and the people skills that are 397 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 3: required to build a company at scale. But like I 398 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 3: love multifamily, you know, similar to ales. I really enjoy 399 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 3: the restaurant space, which I've gotten involved in. You know, 400 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 3: I enjoy sports and sports tech. You know, there's a 401 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: lot of different buckets and things I really enjoy that 402 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 3: I feel like I can bring I can bring the 403 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: value to And you know, as an investor, I think 404 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: the biggest thing you can do besides writing a check 405 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 3: into something is to actually bring tangible qualities that actually 406 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: help people around you and your business grow, similar to 407 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: what Alex is doing in Minnesota. You know, like those 408 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 3: young carl Anthony Towns and Anthony Edwards and some man 409 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 3: of these young guys like they have somebody they can 410 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: just pick up the phone and call, Hey, I'm dealing 411 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: with this off the field, Like what would you do 412 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 3: with this? Like there's not many owners or our governors 413 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 3: excuse me, and in professional sports that have his type 414 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 3: of experience and so like like that's something that he's 415 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 3: involved in. He wrote a check to be involved in, 416 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: but he can actually bring, you know, great mentorship to 417 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 3: young people who needed. 418 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: Yeah they're hitting you up. They should? They should? Should 419 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 2: they should? Yea, they should? 420 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 4: Yeah did you did you do that as a player? 421 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: I mean were you always you know. 422 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 4: You had that that sort of relationship here. 423 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 424 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: Michael bill Wells very good to me. Robert Sarver very 425 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 3: good to me. Jerry Colangelo, former owner of the Phoenix 426 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: Suns and the Diamondbacks, very good to me. And I 427 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: would always try to find those those guys and be 428 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 3: able to talk to them and help understand like what 429 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: they saw in sports and you know where they see 430 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 3: sports going in the future and things that they would 431 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: do differently if they could, you know, turn back the clock. 432 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: Sports is really unique. 433 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: There's not many businesses where you know, you go, you 434 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 3: know to New York and you know, be very difficult 435 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 3: for a financial advisor on the fifth floor to go 436 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 3: upstairs and talk to Jamie Diamond and have a conversation 437 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:07,239 Speaker 3: with him. 438 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: But you can do that in sports. 439 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 3: You can go talk to Mark Lazaru, you can go 440 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: talk to Mark Cuban. You know, some of the most 441 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: successful business people in the world. You have direct access 442 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 3: to him, and so why you would not utilize those 443 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: opportunities makes no sense to me. 444 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 4: Coming up, we discussed Larry's transition from football to the 445 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 4: boardroom and his commitment to making an impact through philanthropy, 446 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 4: plus how his love of chess became an opportunity for investment. 447 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 5: Another thing we have in common is the NBA that 448 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 5: it is ironic, right because we've been talking about magic 449 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 5: both of our mentor and he played basketball and owns 450 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 5: the Dodgers. You played football and you're a part of 451 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 5: the Sons, and same with based on Timberwolves and links. 452 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 5: When an opportunity like that comes, How does it come? 453 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 5: And like, how do you think about the process of 454 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 5: like I got to write a big check and you 455 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 5: only have so much capital, walk us through that process. 456 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 2: How do you think about it? Yeah? 457 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 3: So, I mean I never really like set out to 458 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 3: be in the NBA. That's not nothing I was ever 459 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 3: like really thinking about. But I just built a relationship 460 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 3: over ten years, you know, with the majority owner and 461 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 3: one day we were sitting at dinner and he was 462 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 3: just like, Hey, Larry, I would love to have you 463 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: a part of my group. You know, you're really thoughtful, 464 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: You're insightful. I mean you have great recommendations and this 465 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 3: and that. And I was like, wow, that's interesting. And 466 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 3: then he said, you know this is what is gone. 467 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 2: And I said, I kind of gulf through my water. 468 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 3: I'm had to get back to you on that, you know, 469 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: but you know it's a decision I really am am 470 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: thankful that I made because, like I would say, as 471 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: a minority owner, like I was able to get kind 472 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 3: of behind it curtains. 473 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: You know, I was a part of the draft process. 474 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 3: You know, I understood open up the books for me, 475 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 3: this is this is what we spend money on, this 476 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 3: is what we try to cut costs on. 477 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: This is every aspect of the business. 478 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 3: Like he was very open to you know, let me 479 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 3: learn and see it, and you know, it helped me 480 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 3: make a more informed decision on you know, the Rogerston 481 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: Rolls opportunity you know, in India in the Premier League 482 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: and cricket. It helped me make a better decision and 483 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 3: pick a ball right, helped me make you know, better 484 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 3: decisions and all of those type of opportunities that presented 485 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 3: themselves to me after. 486 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 4: That pickleball fascinating. You know, you are a player, an 487 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 4: owner and an investor cricket. You mentioned as well. Let's 488 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 4: talk about cricket for a second, Like how does that 489 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 4: come to you and what's the process. 490 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: I have a friend here, Kolsumani here locally, big angel investor, 491 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: founded three companies that do you know, critical infrastructure work. 492 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: Then he's from India and you know, he was like, Larry, 493 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 3: there's an opportunity that you know, I really would like 494 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 3: you to look at. And so I was, I was like, cool, 495 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 3: because let's look at it. I didn't really understand cricket. Yeah, 496 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 3: I've been to cricket matches before in India. Still never 497 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 3: really could understand it. But what I did recognize when 498 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: I went was the fandom. And you think about teams 499 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: here in the United States that aren't very small market. 500 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 3: You think about you know, the Oakland A's, You think 501 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: about the Green Bay Packers, you think. 502 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 2: About the Buffalo Bills. 503 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: Still great organizations that are thriving in really small markets. 504 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 3: You think about that concept in India at scale. You know, 505 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 3: this lead could easily be forty teams. It would not 506 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: saturate the market. So just thinking about the exponential growth, 507 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: who's watching it, how much is followed, We're all, you know, 508 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 3: big components, And why I wanted to be involved. 509 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 5: Is there one or two in particular that you're really 510 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 5: excited about that you feel more connected one of these 511 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 5: companies you've invested. 512 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 2: In, Yeah, a bunch of them. You have a bunch 513 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: of them. 514 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: But if I had to pick one, and it's a 515 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 3: passion for me, like Chess dot Com. I mean, it's 516 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 3: unbelievable how fast the game has grown, and it very organic. 517 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 3: How I kind of got involved in the game. I 518 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 3: started playing when I was seven years old. I went 519 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 3: to the doctor. They said I had ADHD and before 520 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 3: you know, my parents allowed the doctors to put me 521 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 3: on any medication. They said, let's look at some other 522 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 3: pathways so we can we can explore. And one of 523 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 3: my after school counselors said, hey, look, chess is a 524 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: great game. It helps slowest thought press down and started 525 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 3: helping them be more of a strategic thinker, you know, 526 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: kind of help them, you know, really kind of like 527 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 3: just be thoughtful on how. 528 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: We makes decisions. And I was like, Chess, Wow, how's 529 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: that going to help me? 530 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: But I started playing, I fell in love with this, 531 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 3: started competing at a higher level. I started getting in 532 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: some of these city chess tournaments, and like I was, 533 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: I was hooked. 534 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 5: So, Larry, how does this passion kind of bridge into 535 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 5: an opportunity to invest in a company like this? 536 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: So it was a passion. 537 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 3: Initially, I was playing out in Long Island with a 538 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 3: friend of mine and one of his friends came by 539 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: and we were playing bliss chests. He was like, Larry, 540 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: I got introduced you to a friend of mine. His 541 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 3: name is Danny Rinch. He's one of the co founders 542 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 3: of chess dot com. And you know, I was like cool, 543 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: you know, and I, like everybody else during the pandemic, 544 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: you know, everybody's watching all these series around the club, 545 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 3: and Queen's Gammit, you know, was one of that that 546 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 3: that was like infatuated with, right, and so I saw 547 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 3: that there was really great opportunities, and I really like 548 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 3: the fact that it's an international game. I'd look at 549 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 3: games that are scalable, that people will enjoy and that 550 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 3: they will pay, they will pay a premium for. 551 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 4: It is this amazing collision of both technology because I 552 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 4: mean you go on the app and you know, and 553 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 4: I know lots of people from CEOs to you know, 554 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 4: reporter colleagues who they'll go on and play these three 555 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 4: minute games like every day. 556 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be. 557 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 4: You know, on hold for something and they'll like pop 558 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 4: into a game. And yet it also is this very thoughtful, 559 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 4: almost analog type of game in a digital world. Yeah, 560 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 4: it's amazing. So with all the things that come across 561 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 4: your desk unity you talked about sort of bucketing things, 562 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 4: as I know Alex says too, are there any that 563 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 4: got away things you wish you had done? 564 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: I think it's any regrets. Yeah, there's there's there's opportunities 565 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: that I that I decided not to go against. But 566 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 3: when I'm doing my diligence process on deals, Like I'm 567 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 3: me and my team were pretty convicted on the doing 568 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: why we do it. And sometimes there's there's good deals 569 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 3: that you pass on because they just don't fit right 570 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: in that particular time right, Not that they're a bad deal, 571 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 3: but they just do. Do I have the wherewithal to 572 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 3: really do it at the level that I want to 573 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: do it. Not every deals for everyone, you know, I 574 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: think people get formal a lot and make decisions like 575 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 3: this is hot and we need we need to do this, 576 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 3: and like that that's not for me right now. And 577 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 3: so I think we're really good at that as a team, 578 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 3: as we evaluate opportunities as they present themselves. And we 579 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: both come from teams, you know, baseball, football teams, And 580 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 3: like Alex, how often did you ever when you went 581 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 3: to when you went to the clubhouse, when you were 582 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 3: getting ready for the game, ever worry about your your 583 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 3: cleat's been in your locker, or the right bats being 584 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 3: you know, ready for you, or your glove being oiled 585 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: up the way you needed to make you know, throw 586 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 3: guys out at third base, or or any of those 587 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 3: type of things. When you performed, like you never thought 588 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 3: about that And they were just taken care of because 589 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: you know, the clubis were doing this, and never worried 590 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: about the spread after the game if you were going 591 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 3: to eat, because you knew the mills were gonna be there. 592 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: You never worried about the bustles to be on time 593 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 3: take you from the hotel. It was a coordination of 594 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: a lot of things. And I think when you leave 595 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: the game as an athlete, you forget how much teamwork 596 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 3: was required to allow you to be great at what 597 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 3: you did. You know, you just think, you know, I 598 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 3: ran the route, quarterback threw me the ball. Yeah that's 599 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: one thing. But you know, the coach had to design 600 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 3: the place for you. You know, that field had to 601 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 3: be manicured perfectly for you. Somebody had to make sure, 602 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 3: you know, your pads were taped down so guys couldn't 603 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: hold you and grab you throughout the game. You know, 604 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 3: like all of these things that you you never think about. 605 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: You know, the trainers that you get your hamstrings loose 606 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 3: and get you. 607 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 2: Ready to perform every day. And you know, I didn't really. 608 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 3: Appreciate that when I first walked away, and you know, 609 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 3: I struggled a bit kind of finding you know, my 610 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 3: groove initially, So. 611 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 5: Larry, I can relate with that because post retirement, the 612 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 5: first three years I really struggled trying to find my way, 613 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 5: and I gained a bunch of weight. I wasn't feeling 614 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 5: as good and I've been doing one thing for twenty 615 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 5: five years professionally, and then you're just like, it's like 616 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 5: those CEOs that retire from like Gomen Sacks with JP Morgan. 617 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 5: Once you leave that, you know you don't have credit 618 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 5: in that card anymore. You feel like a little bit 619 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 5: of an an item by yourself. 620 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 2: I certainly did. 621 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 5: And then I made a really big paradigm shift after 622 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 5: COVID with my schedule, how does your day look like 623 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 5: today obviously versus how it used to be for so 624 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 5: many years when I first got I would say the 625 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 5: first year it wasn't a lack of opportunities, it was 626 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 5: it was definitely a lack of structure. 627 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: You know. I was very similar to you. 628 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 3: I was customed to us to be a very structured schedule, 629 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: and I wouldn't say I love structure, but I thrived 630 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 3: with it, you know, And so like not waking up 631 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: in the morning and kind of like what am I 632 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 3: going to do? Today, Am I gonna you know, I 633 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 3: know I got to pick up the kids from school 634 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 3: at three, But am I going to play golf? I 635 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 3: was a ship in the ocean with no destination, and 636 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 3: like that was a very lonely feeling, and so like 637 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 3: I needed to get the structure. 638 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: And once I got the structure, like I developed the purpose. 639 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: And then once I got the purpose, I feel like 640 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 3: I was able to find the things an outlets that 641 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 3: really like suited me and I wanted to be a 642 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 3: part of. And you know, you talk about being a 643 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 3: CEO like they have a natural off ramp though you know, 644 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 3: because you leave CEO, now you're the chairman, so you're 645 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 3: still working those business mindset and thought and processes. 646 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: As an athlete, there is no off mp. There's the one. 647 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: Percent that gets into TV they can do it, that 648 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 3: has that ability, but that's for a very farm few 649 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 3: between Hall of Fame quality caliber player that has that opportunity, 650 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 3: and everybody else kind of has to figure it out. 651 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: I try to help a lot of guys they when 652 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 3: they do make that transition, like this is what you 653 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 3: need to be thinking, this is what you need to do, 654 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: and trying to just kind of give them the blueprint 655 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: as al as we say. 656 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 4: And so how does it go forward? I mean, you're 657 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 4: a young guy at this point. You've been able to 658 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 4: have a number of different experiences from a Wall Street 659 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 4: you know, internships and team ownership, Like is there something 660 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 4: that's on the horizon for you? You know, do you 661 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 4: want to go back to team ownership? Is there a 662 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 4: big thing out there that that you're chasing or is 663 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 4: it one step at a time? 664 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 3: I literally take it one day at a time. My 665 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: accounting team always like, look, Larry, we got we got 666 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety one k ones last year. Like 667 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: we like, this is a lot to manage, you know 668 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, Okay, I get I hear what 669 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: you're saying. I hear what you're saying, you know, but 670 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: like it gets me so excited when new opportunities come along, 671 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: and you know, and it goes back to like my 672 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: first venture deal. 673 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: You know. 674 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 3: In twenty thirteen, I was taking executive business courses at Stanford, 675 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: like I always in. I had like a two hour 676 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: window and I started walking around campus. 677 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: I just wanted I. 678 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: Went to the studient Union. I saw some kids over there. 679 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: They were like working on something together. I was like, 680 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 3: what y'all doing over here? 681 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: Man? 682 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 3: My name was Larry. They didn't know who I was. 683 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: They didn't care who I was. And I was like, 684 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 3: what are you guys working on? They were telling me 685 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 3: what they're working on. It's like, so like, do you 686 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: guys have a space that you said? Oh, yeah, this 687 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 3: is a Stanford Up incubation lab. You know the former 688 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: students that are now on sand Hill Road, they're at 689 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: Investment and Drees and Horowitz. 690 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: And you name it. 691 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 3: They come back in and they help the students and 692 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: you know, the idea is good enough they invested in it. 693 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, that's really cool. Then I met 694 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 3: a former student athlete. He was a kicker named Derek 695 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: Beltch and he had a company called Driver. It was 696 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 3: a VR company, and you know, his original thought process 697 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 3: for it was to be able to help athletes kind 698 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 3: of learn outside of what the traditional learning was. And 699 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 3: you just watch tape from a really far distance in practice, 700 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: right right, but you can't really see the angles, you know, 701 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: and so these they set up cameras around you to 702 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 3: watch you run arout so I can see, Hey, Larry, 703 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: you're dropping your at the waist too, much. You know, 704 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 3: you need to drop your hips as opposed to drop 705 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: in your waist and you can actually see it, you know, 706 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: from a three sixty degree angle as you watch it, 707 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 3: and so like it really helps you with the nuances 708 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 3: of route running and where your hands are. I saw 709 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 3: your eyes the ball was coming in. Your eyes were 710 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 3: already looking away, like that's going to come back to 711 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: bite you. Like, let's focus on that you can focus on, 712 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 3: like the minuscule details. 713 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I really liked that application. 714 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 3: And then I, you know, made introductions to him, and 715 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 3: I saw the business start growing. He got a relationship 716 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 3: with the Big ten and got on with the PAC 717 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 3: twelve and multiple NFL teams you know, used it, and 718 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 3: so like I saw that my ability was not only 719 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: just to like see a really interesting, cool deal, but 720 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 3: I could add value to the under right, And like 721 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 3: that's when I really started saying, like, man, this is 722 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 3: something I really enjoy. You get a snapshot at something 723 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 3: in its infancy state, and you get you get a 724 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: chance to kind of like help it scale r you know, 725 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 3: got me really geeked. 726 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 4: You mentioned this sort of it passing that I want 727 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 4: to dig on it a little bit. You're on some boards. 728 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 4: What's the perspective that you bring? 729 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean when when I first was asked 730 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 3: to join the Border Dick's you know ed came to 731 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 3: me and he said, look, Larry, I'm not looking for 732 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 3: another retail person. Am I looking for a banker? I 733 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 3: know that's not what your expertise is, but we don't 734 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 3: have anybody who's coming. 735 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: From your perspective. So I just want you to be authentic. 736 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 3: I want you to learn, like what I've done, you know, study, 737 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 3: go on diligence, take some classes to familiarize with board governance, 738 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 3: and like you're gonna get better and the other things. 739 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: But I need you and your inside as a former 740 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 3: athlete to give me that inside. And so like he's not, 741 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 3: they don't ask you to do things that you're not 742 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: capable of showing at the time. I'm not saying you 743 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: can't grow into him, but it really just takes somebody 744 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 3: like giving you a chance, you know, to be in 745 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 3: a space that you maybe thought that you would never 746 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 3: be able to be in. And now I sit in 747 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 3: the room and I'm a lot more comfortable. I have 748 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: a lot more insightful thoughts because I understand the business 749 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 3: now after three and a half four years. 750 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny that now I'm picturing like how you 751 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 4: described yourself as a as a kid, you know, raising 752 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 4: your hand and. 753 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: Being like, hold on a second, man, And I'll tell 754 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 3: you the first the first couple of board meetings, I 755 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 3: remember getting off and thinking. 756 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 2: What are you doing? Like, why are you? Why are 757 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: you doing this? 758 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 3: And it was during because it was during COVID, and 759 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 3: you've sitting on board meetings before watching the board. Doing 760 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 3: a board meeting on the Zoom is very different from 761 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: me sitting next to a programmer and saying, hey, Manny, 762 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 3: you know he's been the CEO of a retail business 763 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 3: for twenty five years. I can look at him and 764 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 3: ask him, I didn't really understand that. Can you can 765 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 3: you help me? Can you help me understand why we 766 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 3: while we're doing a convertable note, why do we need 767 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 3: to draw down our line of credit? I don't I 768 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: don't understand that, And he can literally tell me right 769 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 3: there in a zoom meeting. I can't ask these questions 770 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 3: because I would be disruptive to the meeting, and so, 771 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 3: like I needed to be in a more intimate setting 772 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 3: in a board room where I could do those and 773 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 3: have the side conversations after our committee meetings and so like, 774 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: once I started doing that, I felt like I was interesting. 775 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 3: I was actually you know, gaining process. W the first couple, 776 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, Yeah, you know you're sitting around 777 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: listening to conversation that people who have been doing this 778 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 3: for thirty forty years, and you know you're stepping into 779 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 3: that arena. 780 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 4: As we start to wrap up, you know, come back 781 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,479 Speaker 4: to the Arizona of it all, because you make this 782 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 4: very conscious decision that this is your place. I'm sure 783 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 4: you had chances to go elsewhere, and yet you stayed 784 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 4: here very sick testly. Obviously you talk about a forty 785 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 4: year plan, but it's one thing to make a plan, 786 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 4: and it's another thing to execute it and to really 787 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 4: stick and to stay here. 788 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 3: Why well, you know, for you to stay at a 789 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 3: place for a long time, there has to be a 790 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 3: joint effort, like the player has to want to stay 791 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 3: ownership and coaches have to. 792 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: Want you, you know. 793 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 3: And there's times where they felt like they could have 794 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 3: got you know, value out of moving me, but they 795 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 3: decided not to. And there was times that I was 796 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 3: up for contract and I could have left, but I 797 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 3: didn't want to. And I think after a while, you know, 798 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 3: the organization and the player, you start to understand like 799 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 3: this is this is a marriage that we want to 800 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 3: make last. When we were in lockstep at that point, 801 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 3: you know, it became a relationship that wasn't just transactional. 802 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 3: And it sports, most relationships are transactional. You look at 803 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 3: the winds every day, you look at the losses, and 804 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 3: if the losses start adding up, then they make a move. 805 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 3: And I think we were able to move past that. 806 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 3: We were able to look at like, what do you 807 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: want to face it your franchise to look like? Do 808 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 3: you want it to be a consistent presence in the 809 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 3: community as a person that plays every game, that shows up, 810 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 3: gives great effort, is a good teammate that you can 811 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 3: build around, that's not a selfish person, you know, Like 812 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons that we were able to 813 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 3: have like a really good, good seventeen year run. 814 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 815 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 4: I mean you've seen that obviously in organizations and players, 816 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 4: you know, gelling with the organization, I dare say, we 817 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 4: don't see it as much anymore. And I mean, certainly 818 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 4: you see it from the NBA perspective where the movement 819 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 4: is unbelievable. I mean, I feel like your case is 820 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 4: increasingly rare. Does it feel like that to you guys? 821 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 2: For sure? For sure? 822 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 3: But I think as a player, I think it's changed 823 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 3: a lot, especially in the NBA. You know, guys have 824 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 3: come in one day like I'm not happy and I 825 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 3: want to move, and you have to do it because 826 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 3: if a guy has another year on his deal and 827 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 3: you know he's not going to resign, you have to 828 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 3: be able to get the value, like you have to 829 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 3: as a business. You have to do that. I think 830 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 3: you see that a lot more frequently in basketball than 831 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 3: you do. You know, in football and in baseball, the 832 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 3: players have a lot of power, and you know, I 833 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 3: think it's also a big way how the leagues differ. 834 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 3: You know, you think about the NBA, the NBA Marcus 835 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 3: the player first, then the league. 836 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: And then the teams. 837 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 3: Right in the NFL, it's the league, it's the team, 838 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 3: it's the player, and so like the league is always 839 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 3: going to do what's best to protect the shield. And 840 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 3: then the teams have the brand loyalty amongst the community, 841 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 3: and the players are kind of interchangeable, right, you know, 842 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: if you have a top ten player in the NBA. 843 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 3: That player can kind of determine. 844 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: Every much whatever. 845 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: I'll play tonight, I'm not going to play tonight. You know, 846 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 3: I will play with this guy. You know, like even 847 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 3: if you trade another one of his teammates, like I 848 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 3: don't want to play with him, you can't make the 849 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 3: move because they're not going to jail. 850 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 4: So, just to give you the whole scope of yourself, 851 00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 4: you're a Minnesota Vikings ball boy, then you're going to 852 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 4: be in the College Football Hall of Fame. As of 853 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 4: this year, you are undoubtedly going to be a first 854 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 4: ballot NFL Hall of Famer. Did you imagine that was 855 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 4: going to happen. 856 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I imagined it. It was always a 857 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 3: hope and a dream. You know, I didn't. I didn't 858 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 3: start off thinking I wanted to be a Hall of Famer. 859 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 2: Just I want to. I want to be able to 860 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 2: have the opportunity to play. 861 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, as your ability grows and 862 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 3: your opportunities grow, I think your your vision and your 863 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 3: aspirations start to grow as well. 864 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 2: And I think that kind of they went in sequence. 865 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 4: You've sort of downplayed the Hall of Fame it feels 866 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 4: like over time. 867 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 2: I mean, is that just who you are? None of 868 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: that is in my control. Yeah, Like it's it's so subjective. 869 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 3: You know, you look out and you know there's guys 870 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 3: that you say, like they put together a Hall of 871 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 3: Fame career and they and they should be in and 872 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 3: they're not. And then there's guys who you know are 873 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 3: shoeings like. But it's it's media members that essentially are 874 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 3: are determining, you know, what they think your career. And 875 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 3: as a society, I think we've really kind of like 876 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 3: going away from like consistency is not something that people 877 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 3: value anymore. You know, it's just a Okay, he's a 878 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 3: he's a money manager and he did sixty percent last year. 879 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 3: Oh that's that's great. But we're in a bull market 880 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 3: and I would expect him to have success. Like the 881 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 3: guy that does, you know, loses two percent in a 882 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 3: bear market is a guy that you like That that's 883 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 3: the guy I won't manage my money. Yeah, you know, 884 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 3: you think about guys like Warren Buffett, who's a friend 885 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,359 Speaker 3: of Alex's as well. 886 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean. 887 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 3: He's just been consistent for sixty years, and like people 888 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 3: don't people don't value that as much. 889 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 4: I mean, it's interesting to think about, especially where you 890 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 4: are now, where you were as an athlete. You know, 891 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 4: obviously you were in that miliu with your father, and 892 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 4: then you know, philanthropically, your foundation has done a tremendous amount, 893 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 4: and interestingly, I think in a very focused way. 894 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 2: I mean, you were. 895 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 4: Locked in on cancer research and other elements. I mean 896 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 4: clearly there's a straight line from your mom there. 897 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, very very straight line. 898 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 3: And also like as I've gotten older, I feel like 899 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 3: I've gotten better at kind of like being an inch wide. 900 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 2: And a mile deep with the foundation. 901 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,280 Speaker 3: I think it's really easy to kind of get sidetracked 902 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 3: because there's a lot of unbelievable foundations doing great work 903 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 3: in our world, right, and there's a lot of people 904 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 3: that need help. But in reality, you can't be you 905 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 3: can't be everything for everyone, right, And so I feel 906 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 3: like if I really narrow down an education and after 907 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 3: school activities and programs and bridging the technology gap and 908 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,520 Speaker 3: underserved communities and schools, I feel like I can make 909 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 3: a tangible difference in that area, right. And if I 910 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 3: do the same thing in breast cancer, you know, with 911 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 3: our mobile mammograms and taking them in communities where historically 912 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 3: there has not been great dialogue and communications with healthcare, 913 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 3: being able to bridge that gap to help them understand 914 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 3: like these health professionals are here to help you. Let's 915 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 3: get you in for these mamagra as. You don't have 916 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 3: to come in, We'll come to you, you know. So 917 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 3: like doing those individual things I think has helped me, 918 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 3: you know, realize that you just need to focus in 919 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 3: on the things that you're really good and I'm saying 920 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 3: that they're not others share causes that are important, but 921 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 3: for you to be most effective and also be able 922 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 3: to galvanize your donor base, like when you show your 923 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,839 Speaker 3: progress and your impact reports, like these are the things 924 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 3: that we did in the month of January. This was 925 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 3: what we had hoped to do. We achieved that, and 926 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 3: this is why we think, you know, we would be 927 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 3: a great candidate for another grant this year. You know, 928 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,320 Speaker 3: it's like we need to show tangible impact results. 929 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 930 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 5: So, Larry, you're one of the most iconic players of 931 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 5: your generation. What advice would you give to someone who 932 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,760 Speaker 5: wants to excel at life the way you've been able. 933 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 2: To How very easy I say, follow Alice Rodriguez. 934 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you've done an amazing job of obviously having 935 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 3: one of the best careers of all time, but you know, 936 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 3: being thoughtful and how you help people, the advice you 937 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 3: always make time, you know, I text you, call you, 938 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 3: you called me back, email like you're You're very kind, 939 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 3: and how you go about your way approachable and a 940 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 3: constant student of life. 941 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 2: You know you want to get better and improve. 942 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 3: And I think if you take a lot of what 943 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 3: Alex has done in terms of his mindset, I think 944 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 3: you will have a lot of success during your career 945 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 3: and also post career. 946 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of people would say the 947 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 4: same thing about you. I think, oh, Yeda, yeah, that's 948 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,400 Speaker 4: fair to say. We really enjoyed this. 949 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 5: Thank you, thank thank you, Thanks an pleasure, pleasure, thank you, 950 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 5: Thank you, brother Sir, always Always. 951 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: The Deal is a production from Bloomberg Podcasts and Bloomberg Originals. 952 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: The Deals hosted by Alex Rodriguez and Jason Kelly. Our 953 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: producers are Victor Eveas and Lizzie Phillip. Our story editor 954 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,919 Speaker 1: is Sidartha Mahonta. Our system producer is Stacy Wong. Blake 955 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: Maples is our sound engineer. Rubob Shakir is our creative director. 956 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: Our direction is from jacklind Kessler. 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