Speaker 1: On today's episode of Command Center Podcast, we are risking
Speaker 1: it for the Biscuit by attending the NFL Draft. You
Speaker 1: guys didn't go, but what do you think about the
Speaker 1: guys that are going. We're gonna talk about that. Fred
Speaker 1: and Santana and I. We're gonna sell you something good,
Speaker 1: something sweet, a prospect in this class that is very
Speaker 1: very special. Yeah, I will say Fred is a great salesman.
Speaker 1: All right, and then we got hater Jason in the house.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about our draft day anxieties. What
Speaker 1: are we worried about? Guys, don't worry. Adam Peters is
Speaker 1: here walking you asleep, and Adam Peters we trust it
Speaker 1: all starts right now. Welcome to the Command Center Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm logan Paulsena with Fred Smoot and Santana Moss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have some exciting news. Santana, you had a charity
Speaker 1: golf tournament this weekend, eighty nine Ways to Give Charity
Speaker 1: Golf event.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to go because I was on vacation,
Speaker 1: which I'm really bummed about. And Fred was telling me
Speaker 1: all good he was hitting the ball. Jason was telling
Speaker 1: me it the couple of kidd a cup of golf
Speaker 1: balls and and you know, Maddie and all the producers
Speaker 1: said they were.
Speaker 2: Riding here, a couple of bars out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. So it sounds like a really nice event.
Speaker 3: It was a great turnout. I mean, just to say
Speaker 3: the least.
Speaker 4: Bro, it's it's gratifying just to see the people that
Speaker 4: support you, you know what I mean. So a big
Speaker 4: shout out to my command center crew, all the guys
Speaker 4: that's behind the scene, Jason, Maddie, Kayler, Key.
Speaker 2: Caroline, Anna, all of them showed up. Ryan was there. Man.
Speaker 4: That was big because I didn't, you know, I didn't
Speaker 4: know at what capacity they was gonna come, you know,
Speaker 4: And I saw them in their gear and I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: They coming to golf.
Speaker 4: And it was funny because we getting ready to golf
Speaker 4: and no one seem smooth.
Speaker 3: So everybody like, yes, and I'm like, his birthday was
Speaker 3: last night.
Speaker 4: Here, but no, man, honestly, from the command center guys
Speaker 4: that I work with now and from the you know,
Speaker 4: former Redskins slash commanders who are football players, that all
Speaker 4: showed up Man and everybody else Man who made the
Speaker 4: event special.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: Hats off to y'all. Appreciate y'all. You know, we can't
Speaker 4: do what we do in the community without them. And
Speaker 4: I think that's one of the biggest things that you
Speaker 4: know that I love about it because it shows you that,
Speaker 4: you know, it's easy for me to support others when people.
Speaker 2: Support me, you know, And so what was it?
Speaker 1: What's it for?
Speaker 4: So you know, and I tell everybody you know cutting dry,
Speaker 4: you know, you have so many different foundations saying well
Speaker 4: we give back to this and that. Man, were just
Speaker 4: a foundation that I started way beyond my years of
Speaker 4: playing football that I wanted to just give back to
Speaker 4: the inner city or any neighboring city that need that
Speaker 4: I can just support.
Speaker 2: And I could do it personally myself.
Speaker 4: When I was younger, I did everything out of my
Speaker 4: pocket and then I got with good people.
Speaker 3: They're like, bro, people will people will help you do us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so since I've been here, I rebranded the
Speaker 4: name to A nine Ways. It used to be the
Speaker 4: Centeranna Moss Foundation, then it changed to the Moss Brothers Foundation,
Speaker 4: and I rebranded the name to just eight nine Ways
Speaker 4: to Give because the area knows me as that guy
Speaker 4: wold at eighty nine. So yeah, it's just been it's
Speaker 4: been a three each and every year working with some
Speaker 4: of the folks, and I must say this, we give
Speaker 4: Fred Smooth a lot of flak for whatever you know
Speaker 4: from us fat checking them and doing other things.
Speaker 2: Know, because the pair of lips always said lost him.
Speaker 4: I always told him, but this dude is the best
Speaker 4: seller I ever had at any auctioneer. He does, he
Speaker 4: doesn't two years in a row, and I couldn't get
Speaker 4: nobody else that job. So I got to pay him
Speaker 4: for that next time because he did such an amazing job.
Speaker 2: Man, But he had one of my teammates from high school.
Speaker 2: They're shocked me today, my guy Andrew Howard. When I
Speaker 2: seen him in there, I'm like, you're in the right player,
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Man, I came out here so shots after that man.
Speaker 2: One of my older teammates, he was a twelfth grader
Speaker 2: when I was a tenth grader. He watched me lose
Speaker 2: my mind.
Speaker 4: And he said this, because we always ask questions about
Speaker 4: how this guy was growing up. The guy said, if
Speaker 4: whatever way he is now, he was worse than so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is hard to imagine.
Speaker 2: No, I was lashing out because I felt like I
Speaker 2: should be.
Speaker 1: Playing at that time football relady.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was our football related and they my coach
Speaker 2: was like, you gotta wait your ten balls in front
Speaker 2: of you. We going to the state championship game. I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm better than them, so they wouldn't let
Speaker 2: me play early. So I started crashing practice. I started
Speaker 2: choking with sea, I start burning dB. I started crashing
Speaker 2: out in practice. Man, they have.
Speaker 1: That's uh, that's a wild short.
Speaker 2: What's so good at selling stuff? I don't know.
Speaker 5: If you can see in the control room up there
Speaker 5: on the speaker, he convinced Ryan, I think to buy
Speaker 5: that up there, it's like a bulldog holding a tray, yeah,
Speaker 5: wearing sunglasses serving no idea what that is. But swoot,
Speaker 5: just someone boughtyving them dollars, serving them dogs. Sometimes people
Speaker 5: really want to buy stuff. They just need okay. They
Speaker 5: need to just know it's okay. Like I told them
Speaker 5: when I was up there. We had one particular item.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is good, great item, I say,
Speaker 2: but I said, it's a sugar dad item. I don't
Speaker 2: go buy this out, sugar Dad. You get your sugar
Speaker 2: Dad on. This one is for you right here. It
Speaker 2: went off the ship jet like that J like that
Speaker 2: you got.
Speaker 4: The wrong profession right now, car My gosh, he'd be
Speaker 4: that guy that you be sleeping. You hear him when
Speaker 4: you put up a TV on it you see free
Speaker 4: up there. No, you gotta watch you this lovely watch.
Speaker 4: I can see it on your mom's arm right now.
Speaker 1: Got us on at two am.
Speaker 2: Just but I enjoyed Raansberry forms a course because I
Speaker 2: love the mountains, the Sands, Gras bear Fall, and I
Speaker 2: enjoyed that course. I played it and smooth down Shambo,
Speaker 2: I'll be ripping it.
Speaker 1: Are you good at golf? I'm great at everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, we can say, we can say.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if you want to kind of check out
Speaker 1: Tanna's charity, it's eighty nine ways to give dot org.
Speaker 1: So you can help him out there. And uh, obviously
Speaker 1: Tanna is such a great guy and all it is
Speaker 1: for the community. So you can support them there, check
Speaker 1: it out and uh, maybe a ten next year, I would.
Speaker 4: Say this, Yeah, you can't have to wait for next year.
Speaker 4: My birthday weekend May thirty. First, I'm having my first annual.
Speaker 4: It's called Santana's Kingpin Tournament. It's gonna be a bowling tournament.
Speaker 1: So now I'm coming so now looking now get me there.
Speaker 2: Now we get to now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if y'all want to see that match up, you know,
Speaker 4: hopefully miss friend is on the same team, because I
Speaker 4: think it's gonna be people signing up to Yeah, so
Speaker 4: hopefully we on the same team. Trying to get all
Speaker 4: of us be on the same team against these other
Speaker 4: you know, fans and people who coming to the No.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so if you're looking forward to or you
Speaker 4: want to participate in that, go out going a website.
Speaker 3: We should have that up pretty soon to be May
Speaker 3: thirty first.
Speaker 1: And that's so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, your mama like your mom, me and your mama,
Speaker 2: she had the same birthday with my mama.
Speaker 1: Birthday is May thirty first.
Speaker 4: And Master Junie first, Yeah, June first, right, so were
Speaker 4: supposed to be so yeah, were supposed to be anyway,
Speaker 4: that's so funny.
Speaker 1: U right now a little bit of housekeeping obviously, check
Speaker 1: out the website supports Santana Charity. That's fantastic stuff that
Speaker 1: he's doing the community. A housekeeping all right. Because it's
Speaker 1: draft week, we got our other podcast Ticket to the Draft.
Speaker 1: We did a seven round mock draft came out yesterday
Speaker 1: with Fred and my brother Yeah, and jam mcgreen Jerimer Green,
Speaker 1: and they kind of talk the same. They don't look
Speaker 1: the same, but they talk the same. A lot of metaphor,
Speaker 1: very funny guys. And went through every single draft pick.
Speaker 1: It took us like what an hour and a half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's alone by long time. Lots of debates there about players.
Speaker 1: Fred had some of the talk about Fred selling stuff. Man.
Speaker 2: We listened to him on a show today.
Speaker 1: We go up to a player and he would just
Speaker 1: he'd sell that guy hard.
Speaker 2: No, yoga Aurora. I tried to get him. I tried
Speaker 2: to sell them. They fought back, but I was like, no,
Speaker 2: this is the dude right here. And we was arging
Speaker 2: up with a second round pick on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty one, sixty one.
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, dude, this is this is a
Speaker 2: chess piece for here.
Speaker 1: Should definitely check out the argument it was. It was masterful.
Speaker 3: If we had been a finished product, all right, yeah.
Speaker 1: But obviously exciting player Royo. But we see all the
Speaker 1: guys we picked, see the conversations, lots of really great analysis.
Speaker 1: Makes you check that out. And we got Command Center
Speaker 1: Live Draft Night that's on Thursday, Yeah, Thursday, So tomorrow, Yes, tomorrow,
Speaker 1: toomuch tomorrow, and it's on six pm on YouTube and
Speaker 1: we like so basically the draft starts at seven, we're
Speaker 1: on at six, okay, so on an hour before and
Speaker 1: then we're on live during the pick. So there's lots
Speaker 1: of times that we're live, we have to go away
Speaker 1: and then we come back. So make sure you click
Speaker 1: that subscribe button, the bell, the notification button. It's going
Speaker 1: to get you back to us when we're alive, because
Speaker 1: like we are going to have the best analysis of
Speaker 1: the pick, because like who knows the team better than
Speaker 1: we do in terms of national media. So make sure
Speaker 1: you guys like subscribe and then hit that notification button.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if I could sell it like Fred Smoot. There's
Speaker 5: the draft room, the war rooms, right, it's right next
Speaker 5: door to me. They're literally dq ap like we're talking
Speaker 5: without them. We're going to see if we can get
Speaker 5: it to happen. I'm confident will They're just going to
Speaker 5: make the pick. Walk right on out, walk right in here.
Speaker 5: Talk to you guys about the pick. So nobody else
Speaker 5: is going to get that, no other soup it. So
Speaker 5: if you want your commander is yeah, that's right where
Speaker 5: the soup.
Speaker 2: Has made it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's a great sell. You're giving
Speaker 1: your challenging Fred moot smooth for selling stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I personally don't care what mel Kuiper has to say.
Speaker 5: I want to hear what aps to say. He's someone
Speaker 5: that's actually doing it, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want Yeah, if you want analysis, who's.
Speaker 2: Who better than the guy that's pushing the butt?
Speaker 1: This is my pick.
Speaker 2: This is about male Kaiper and the weather man been
Speaker 2: lying for over one hundred second that what they do.
Speaker 1: I don't know you've been. I've been watching a lot
Speaker 1: of draft content ready for the show this week, and
Speaker 1: there are some wacky takes out.
Speaker 2: The first of all, people are all over the board.
Speaker 2: Like I literally heard on the radio yesterday. I was
Speaker 2: looking listening to the Junkies. Old GM came on from
Speaker 2: the Jets and said the most absurd thing I ever
Speaker 2: said heard about. You should do a sentence.
Speaker 1: What do you say? He said, I have?
Speaker 2: And this is a Jets GM. So evidently you ain't
Speaker 2: been doing your job good all right? He said, Uh,
Speaker 2: he's he's undraftable. That what I had on my paper, I.
Speaker 1: Came draftable, undraftable.
Speaker 2: I came right on next on B Mitch Show, B Mitch,
Speaker 2: I hit B Mitch up in less say let me
Speaker 2: come on, I want to defend Tannebaum. Was him, came
Speaker 2: over here and one Tannebone. But he got on there
Speaker 2: and said this absurd stuff. I said, I'm gonna tell you,
Speaker 2: as an ex football player, who I think should do
Speaker 2: it is one of my classmates.
Speaker 1: This is a lofty call.
Speaker 2: But they said Drew Brees was too small. They said
Speaker 2: Drew didn't have enough gas in it. They say Drew
Speaker 2: can't throw over office alignment. They say the same thing
Speaker 2: about you do it. You do it is Drew Brees
Speaker 2: with a gold chain.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell you like this though, when you really
Speaker 4: look at it, and I don't want to get too
Speaker 4: long on this, when you look at some of the
Speaker 4: stuff that comes out before the draft, you got to
Speaker 4: take it with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2: I mean, they don't know or they can go off.
Speaker 4: Is your college performances of the last three to four years.
Speaker 4: And if you look at what this kid done, the
Speaker 4: only thing that he has done that ticked them off.
Speaker 1: Is his mouth.
Speaker 2: And that's what his dad did.
Speaker 4: But his dad a little more a little flair about
Speaker 4: itself and he played the different position, so you need
Speaker 4: those guys to do that they used to seeing quarterbacks
Speaker 4: do heah. So at the end of the day, I
Speaker 4: feel like he put usself in that situation of talking
Speaker 4: the way he's talking. But he's going to be the
Speaker 4: one to get the last laugh because I feel like
Speaker 4: he is capable of going out there being a good
Speaker 4: quarterback in his league.
Speaker 2: So I'll mean that.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's two things here that I think are
Speaker 1: really important. One is bel kiper Junior has him as
Speaker 1: his number one player, number one quarterback. He says he's
Speaker 1: gonna be the first player back, first player taking over
Speaker 1: km Ward. So you that's the level of kind of
Speaker 1: difference you can you can get. Like there was a
Speaker 1: guy on I was talking to about Shamar Stewart today.
Speaker 1: They're like, I have him at sixty one. I am
Speaker 1: at twenty two. But there's a guy that I know
Speaker 1: has him at eight, like.
Speaker 2: I got it, got him at one on five because
Speaker 2: the stats didn't make.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just a lot of stuff going on right,
Speaker 1: So it's important to keep that in mind. And then
Speaker 1: like the other thing to I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we can talk about this we'll talk about it later.
Speaker 1: But the draft is funny. This year's draft it's especially funny.
Speaker 1: And the other thing, this is what you said, Tennis.
Speaker 1: Where I was thinking about is everyone comes out and says, oh,
Speaker 1: I heard this from so and so on a team.
Speaker 1: Teams know that you are in the media, they know
Speaker 1: you're gonna say this note.
Speaker 2: But sometime they win. Now, but sometime they whip I'm saying,
Speaker 2: because they want to play out a file to this.
Speaker 1: Yes, Like, there's all sorts of craziness to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm tracking thirty visits. Every team uses thirty visits differently.
Speaker 1: They use them differently, right, So some people are bringing
Speaker 1: people in because they have red flags on them, they
Speaker 1: want more information. Some people use them as smoke screens.
Speaker 1: Some people use them to indicate people are actually interested
Speaker 1: in drafting. So this is silly season. We won't know
Speaker 1: for sure. I don't care who you are until Thursday night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and obviously we'll be here and hopefully Adam Peters joins
Speaker 1: us and we have we'll get all that insight and
Speaker 1: the kind of people behind the veil there, which would
Speaker 1: be great. All right, So now let's get into our
Speaker 1: draft talk and discussion. It's risk it for the biscuit
Speaker 1: attending the draft, and as always, risk it for the
Speaker 1: Biscuit is presented by Marsha McGlenn an agency. You're a
Speaker 1: partner and risk in people's strategies. So when I say
Speaker 1: attending the draft, I'm not talking about as a fan.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about as a player. Those guys that are
Speaker 1: sitting in there in the green room waiting for their
Speaker 1: name to get called. My question to both of you is,
Speaker 1: would you ever have when you were getting ready to
Speaker 1: come out, would you ever attend the draft?
Speaker 2: We both hurt it down. Yeah, when we had the chance. Tom,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with marsh mclenny on this one, right.
Speaker 2: Going to that draft is a risk first of all.
Speaker 2: And if you a person people that got a strategy,
Speaker 2: you know to sit at home with your family, sit
Speaker 2: at home with your family, good, bad, ugly in between.
Speaker 2: You do not want third degree airing Roger's face. You
Speaker 2: do not want to sit there. Why pick got? The
Speaker 2: pick goes through and I don't know how these guys,
Speaker 2: the one that sit there then come back the next day.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they think you like At the
Speaker 2: end of the day, the pain is already happened. I
Speaker 2: would rather be with my family, be with my friends,
Speaker 2: be with the people that was there with me before
Speaker 2: this day even happen.
Speaker 3: I'm going with both of y'all, you and what you
Speaker 3: call it.
Speaker 4: Mar marrish mc glenny. I ain't want to mess the
Speaker 4: word up. Not but honestly, man, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4: Like you know, me and Fred both had potential of
Speaker 4: being first round draft picks. We understood why Fred felt
Speaker 4: a little bit because of you know, his extracurriculum. Tell you, yeah,
Speaker 4: just the stuff you did off the field. You know,
Speaker 4: we're not surprised, right thirty years later. But honestly, when
Speaker 4: they called me and told me, hey, you know you
Speaker 4: had the opportunity miage, he knew what time it was.
Speaker 3: I'm just not that guy. First of I don't want
Speaker 3: the camera on me.
Speaker 4: I remember all the news outlets that wanted to participate
Speaker 4: with my little draft gathering.
Speaker 2: I told him, y'all got a way outside on Front Street.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like when I know when I get a call and
Speaker 4: they say they're finna pick me, then I'll let you in.
Speaker 4: Because I didn't want that drama. I didn't want the drama,
Speaker 4: the speculation to hoole leading up to it, because that's
Speaker 4: all it's all for them. It's for them to sit
Speaker 4: there and be like, oh, you see him now, he's
Speaker 4: over here pacing, or they would have been saying he's
Speaker 4: taking a shot of the hend right now. I just
Speaker 4: saw him taking shot. He's getting nervous, it's getting nerve
Speaker 4: wracking for him. But I just didn't want that for
Speaker 4: me or my family because I had no expectations. All
Speaker 4: I knew was that they say first round potential, and whether.
Speaker 2: It was gonna be early or later.
Speaker 4: I just knew that I'm gonna get drafted, So whether
Speaker 4: it was gonna be in the first round or another time,
Speaker 4: I just was like, look, when that's when that call come,
Speaker 4: i'ma be excited, them to be ecstatic, and I'm gonna,
Speaker 4: you know, roll with the punches.
Speaker 1: Then I got a question for both of you guys.
Speaker 1: Did your agents have an idea of where you would
Speaker 1: be drafted? Like? What team was maybe interesting because I
Speaker 1: feel like at the top it's a little bit easier
Speaker 1: to slock.
Speaker 4: I So I told you one of things about Drew
Speaker 4: rosa house man, and that he's not he's not called
Speaker 4: a shock for a reason. They had me everywhere up
Speaker 4: in that first round. I tell you that one the
Speaker 4: two guys at my pro day said if he was
Speaker 4: five eleven, he'll be the first receiver come.
Speaker 2: Off the board that year.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy because I was like, that's devastating to
Speaker 4: tell somebody who stayed behind. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: like I said before, to me that just talked, unless
Speaker 4: this happens, I'm not tripping on it.
Speaker 2: But leading up to that day.
Speaker 3: It was all Washington, all Washington.
Speaker 4: So my agent was saying and saying the same thing, like, look, bro,
Speaker 4: he has the possibility.
Speaker 2: We don't know, so I'm.
Speaker 4: Not going to get your and my whole damn show
Speaker 4: on for the behind because I wan't finish it there
Speaker 4: and be, you know, set on one team.
Speaker 2: I know how this thing go.
Speaker 4: I watched draft all my life, so I knew that
Speaker 4: it's things happened in that draft that get funky at time.
Speaker 4: But today of the draft, it went from we knew
Speaker 4: Washington was one of the teams. Then EJ had told
Speaker 4: me Whispers of the Coats was gonna get me if
Speaker 4: I felt from Washington the Coats said there was gonna
Speaker 4: be next and it's crazy how it happened, and Washington
Speaker 4: get didn't get me.
Speaker 3: The Jets jumped up in front of everybody and.
Speaker 2: Got me at surprised. Now that's what the draft is.
Speaker 2: I was hell been thrown. Thought I was going to Tampa.
Speaker 2: I had talked to Tampa like more than anybody, and
Speaker 2: they end up drafting ken Yata Walker, a guy from Mississippi. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a big offensive tackle, and I'm thinking they finish,
Speaker 2: They finna pulled the trigger on me at the time,
Speaker 2: And like I said, like I didn't really zero in
Speaker 2: on anybody, Like I had ton't talk to enough people
Speaker 2: that I was like, you know, when you talk to
Speaker 2: top corners, it's me and Nate Clemens. It ain't really
Speaker 2: nobody else besides us. So I'm like, whoever the coneer
Speaker 2: need a team, That's where I'm going. And guess what
Speaker 2: if I would have been at dB taken in the
Speaker 2: first round, I would have been in Miami because they
Speaker 2: took Jamal Fletcher. Yeah at the time, forgot about it.
Speaker 2: Friz Smo did not need to be in Miami. Twenty
Speaker 2: years old.
Speaker 1: Miami probably do that too, thank you.
Speaker 2: Miami would have chewed me up and spit me back out.
Speaker 1: So how many dv's won before you or how many.
Speaker 2: Yes too to him? And that yeah, Nate and Jamar Fletcher.
Speaker 2: So it was like one of them things where once
Speaker 2: you in the storm, you don't care who little picky
Speaker 2: you just like I just I just want to get picked.
Speaker 4: And then my take on that too, you gotta think
Speaker 4: because Fred might have a different journey, but my journey
Speaker 4: was so bumpy getting into college to just know that
Speaker 4: I'm going to leave college as a draft pick on
Speaker 4: the first day, I didn't you man, they could have
Speaker 4: had a new team pop up and say they thirty thirteen.
Speaker 2: I didn't even get you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It was just like, man, I just walked on, yeah,
Speaker 4: four years ago, and now I'm getting drafted and you know,
Speaker 4: potentially first round.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I was okay regardless.
Speaker 1: And soil you guys didn't go obviously, but like what
Speaker 1: do you guys end up doing? Just hanging out?
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, and I say, I tell my
Speaker 4: story first. It was everyone thought my family, like both sides,
Speaker 4: they thought Tennefon to throw it down because this is
Speaker 4: something big bro. I had my intermediate family that the house,
Speaker 4: the house I lived in, the people that lived there,
Speaker 4: they was there, and my two homeboys and my girl.
Speaker 2: We were just that's all we did.
Speaker 4: We sat right there and then I had my agent
Speaker 4: of course, and I had one aunt. I think I
Speaker 4: had one of my aunts who was closer to my dad.
Speaker 2: That's it. And I didn't want no one else in there.
Speaker 1: And it's food or anything.
Speaker 2: Oh we ate, he ate and drunk good, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like I said, we were sitting there, libations was there,
Speaker 4: but it just was like if I had to count
Speaker 4: count the people on hand in two hands, probably no
Speaker 4: more than ten people, you know. And because I heard
Speaker 4: the craziness that goes on. And then I also went
Speaker 4: to Drin james On. I was there for his when
Speaker 4: he got picked, and I remember the big party we had.
Speaker 4: But that was like that was crazy because he didn't
Speaker 4: expect to go in front of Ricky Winn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was a surprise that they went up and got
Speaker 3: him first.
Speaker 2: So and you know on that Ricky Williams trade they
Speaker 2: traded with Washington, y'all know that right out of that
Speaker 2: Ricky Williams trade, we got champed LeVar Are, Like we
Speaker 2: got pics out of that thing, because you know we
Speaker 2: were Buddy was tripping. Who got wicked? Wims? So what
Speaker 2: his name is? He gave up the house, He gave
Speaker 2: up the house. He gave up the house. Now you
Speaker 2: know I had on the fresh hot white suit, you know,
Speaker 2: but I was with my family, you.
Speaker 4: Know, tried to look like he was getting dressed for
Speaker 4: Easter Sunnay, no, he ain't. Probably taking none of the
Speaker 4: festivities on Easter, singing in the choir. But it was
Speaker 4: just me and my family. You know, we're chilling, man,
Speaker 4: like it's another day for me. Like I said, I
Speaker 4: wanted destination.
Speaker 2: I was so caught up on where am I I
Speaker 2: want to know the city, like so I can look
Speaker 2: at the roster first of all, to see who's on
Speaker 2: the roster.
Speaker 4: To tell me this, I didn't ask you this question
Speaker 4: before knowing that who you were as a player, because
Speaker 4: you was a corner that arguably no one could no
Speaker 4: one could deny that you was one to talk in
Speaker 4: our class when you saw the other two guys, did
Speaker 4: that bother you?
Speaker 2: They bother me because you knew, Like damn it bothered me.
Speaker 2: But I know it wasn't Nay fault No, it wasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it bother me in a way, But I also
Speaker 2: I was like, some good gonna come out of this,
Speaker 2: And the blessing was I came here and coming to
Speaker 2: wash this not only did I find a team I
Speaker 2: want to be on, but I found home. Now I
Speaker 2: live here, this is my home. I can't say going
Speaker 2: to some of them other cities with that in my heart.
Speaker 2: That'd have been your home.
Speaker 1: And then did you guys fly out that same night
Speaker 1: and go to the team or where they flew you up?
Speaker 2: Well, well, I don't know what the jes.
Speaker 4: They just told me, man, enjoy your time many family.
Speaker 4: I didn't come up to them when until it was
Speaker 4: time to go to Bractice. Oh really yeah, man to Minicamp.
Speaker 2: I didn't come to Minico They private jeedged us up
Speaker 2: and show coached me and old Rod Gordoner.
Speaker 4: So they treated us like I would say, it's crazy
Speaker 4: because Rob go and got picked before me. And that's
Speaker 4: that's how this thing, how backwards it is, how crazy
Speaker 4: it gets because like when I saw Rod, like I said,
Speaker 4: I cared less if they picked ten receivers in front
Speaker 4: of me, Like I said, me getting picked that day
Speaker 4: with everything. So when I saw Rod gotten, the first
Speaker 4: thing part of my head like, that's the team that
Speaker 4: everybody told me I was going to.
Speaker 2: Look they pick.
Speaker 4: Had no clue of the story that went on here,
Speaker 4: didn't know nothing. I was like, oh, I got picked
Speaker 4: the next pick.
Speaker 2: It didn't match though we already had Michael Ritzbrook. We
Speaker 2: already got a six four wide receiver while you're drafting
Speaker 2: another big old dude.
Speaker 4: What was crazy is every year so I get to
Speaker 4: New York and I'm in training camp, mini camp. So
Speaker 4: the guy who you a lot of people know of
Speaker 4: now Lockett, who's in the league, Lockett uncle was Kevin Lockett.
Speaker 2: Yeah, played here, He played here, and he got traded
Speaker 2: to us.
Speaker 4: And the first thing he told me said, bro Dan
Speaker 4: Snyder and sh and Shot Shottenheimer. Uh, the heads on
Speaker 4: that pick, because Shot Dan Snyder wanted you the whole time.
Speaker 2: It was you on his board.
Speaker 4: And Scheintehaimen went opposite and got a tar receiver. And
Speaker 4: I promise you, I swear to god, it was the crazy.
Speaker 4: The next that off season, Schottenheim got fired and Dan
Speaker 4: Snyder called my agent trying to trade for me, and
Speaker 4: it just was like nah. So he tried to trade
Speaker 4: every year into the year I came, and that's the
Speaker 4: year he didn't try and incoming.
Speaker 2: And I was taking it out on Roddy Press because
Speaker 2: I had just played against Roddy at Clemson. We just
Speaker 2: blewed him out. I had him to like zero yolids
Speaker 2: and every day practice because I was still lashing out
Speaker 2: because I had been dropped into Drea. I would say,
Speaker 2: this is who y'all picked before me, the same guy
Speaker 2: that I shut down. This is what y'all doing. And
Speaker 2: so I was like really high scruggs. You see now
Speaker 2: the stories. Once I get high scrug on something, I
Speaker 2: don't let it go.
Speaker 1: Did How'd Rod take it? Was pissed about that?
Speaker 3: Gave no il.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I came out and played some football and kept
Speaker 4: it going. I don't know Rod like that, but just
Speaker 4: being around them, it's easy going dude, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, they don't care about that. So that's a
Speaker 1: little bit about their draft stories and what's going on
Speaker 1: and why they didn't go uh and why I would
Speaker 1: never also go to the green room for the draft.
Speaker 1: But there are here's the list of the guys that
Speaker 1: are going to be going. And of this list, I
Speaker 1: think we should talk about guys that we think are
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you should watch out guys that could be
Speaker 1: commanders and fall to us at twenty nine. So let's
Speaker 1: start Tyler Brooker reguards from Alabama, Johan Campbell whinebacker from Alabama,
Speaker 1: Will Campbell attacking from LSU, Abdul Carter obviously edge from
Speaker 1: Penn State, Matthew Golden wide receiver Texas, Mason Graham DT
Speaker 1: for Michigan, Travis Hunter wide receiver Colorado, and Ash Jend
Speaker 1: running back Boise State. Well Johnson Fred's guy from Michigan
Speaker 1: cornerback Tetro McMillan, wide receiver Arizona. Jalen Millroe quarterback Alabama,
Speaker 1: Malachi Starks Georgia safety Shamar Stewart edge text A M.
Speaker 1: Cam Ward quarterback Miami. I think it'll be the first pick,
Speaker 1: and then Maxwell Harriston cornerback Kentucky.
Speaker 2: You say, all of these guys and.
Speaker 1: They are attending the draft, all of these all right now,
Speaker 1: right now, right now, they could.
Speaker 5: Walk out, but as of the day before the draft,
Speaker 5: they're the one schedule.
Speaker 2: Can we go down here and say who should not,
Speaker 2: who should not tim who should not? Come on?
Speaker 1: Like some guy just I look at this list and
Speaker 1: the guy the name that is and everyone's talking about it,
Speaker 1: Nashally the names it's it's flashing in yellow neon lights
Speaker 1: is Jaalen Milroe. And I like Milroe, but I don't
Speaker 1: like him as a first round player.
Speaker 2: But how many times do we see them reach full quarterback?
Speaker 2: Like that's like the ultimate reach position and hic go
Speaker 2: to think about it. Once they got a good COUMP
Speaker 2: for you, and now they got him comped as a
Speaker 2: faster version. Yeah, somebody gonna say, you know what, we
Speaker 2: can draft it, just it's not start them. And if
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna start him, I need to get that
Speaker 2: fifth year. And the only way to get that fifth
Speaker 2: years to draft him in the first round. So I
Speaker 2: think it's more strategy then.
Speaker 1: Is he ready? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, I think I think a team like Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: just just salivating. I can't wait to draft him and
Speaker 2: put him behind so and so and so and so
Speaker 2: and let him grow.
Speaker 4: You know what's crazy about the draft just seeing from
Speaker 4: the years of us coming up in this game and
Speaker 4: everyone wanted that prototypical quarterback, the one who can you know,
Speaker 4: dissect you from the pocket, you know, manipulate you and everything,
Speaker 4: and has a you know, quick release.
Speaker 2: The Peyton man.
Speaker 4: He's the you know, the Tom Brady's, you know, even
Speaker 4: to bless those you know, I mean those guys of
Speaker 4: before our time, during our time, you watch them talk
Speaker 4: highly of if they found any quarterback with any inkling
Speaker 4: of that you know caliber in that game they wanted
Speaker 4: fast forward.
Speaker 3: To today's game. What's today's game.
Speaker 4: Been Jayden Hurts or Jayden Daniels or Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2: It's the mobile quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: So when you see a guy, you see a guy
Speaker 4: like Merros who you know, he's mobile. The things he
Speaker 4: did last year outside the pocket, running seventy plus yard touchdowns. People,
Speaker 4: those those those those coaches now saying that we could
Speaker 4: just get him in the beat half as good as
Speaker 4: he was throwing the ball, better.
Speaker 2: Better than what he showed last year.
Speaker 4: This year and he can still give us that capability
Speaker 4: of running outside the pocket. We got ourselves something, you know,
Speaker 4: they they want the next best thing like they've seen
Speaker 4: that's taking these teams the distance. So that's why I'm
Speaker 4: not surprised that he's on that list.
Speaker 2: That what coaches do they see someone and say I
Speaker 2: can fix it. Ain't that the arrogance of when your
Speaker 2: coach you brought up Pittsburgh. That's the place I can
Speaker 2: see him going and kind of finding his way because
Speaker 2: had a great coach.
Speaker 4: Is now a great had a great office of coordinator
Speaker 4: who knows how to use the quarterback quarterback. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: it's like, bro, if they defense can stay their defense
Speaker 4: and then he could go out there and.
Speaker 2: Just grow into the game. Yeah, bro, I can see
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And he is the dynamic athlete. Ran on sub four
Speaker 1: four forty at his pro day. He can throw the
Speaker 1: ball and he rocked up. And I think that maybe
Speaker 1: the most important thing that we as analysts watching film
Speaker 1: don't get to see is I have heard his football
Speaker 1: character is off the charts, like leadership like you know
Speaker 1: you mentioned the Hurts compared with yea like great leader, dynamic.
Speaker 1: In the locker room, people gravitate towards him. He's gonna study,
Speaker 1: gonna get better. I think if I know coaches, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have an interview with him, and it's gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this dude's the dude.
Speaker 2: So tell me this.
Speaker 4: Because you've been coaching for a long time on the
Speaker 4: high school level and you come here, you talk to
Speaker 4: us a lot about certain guys you watch and you
Speaker 4: see and why you don't like him or why you
Speaker 4: think that he might get not you know that not
Speaker 4: because of something you saw. If you was a guy
Speaker 4: and you say, okay, where he's at, he's not a
Speaker 4: finished product, but what he could be? Would you take
Speaker 4: a chance on him being at you coach offenses and
Speaker 4: you saw his skill sets?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I do like Milroe. I just said that
Speaker 1: I think he's maybe like this is not being hyperbolic.
Speaker 1: He's maybe one of the best runners in the class, right,
Speaker 1: Like he's dynamic r. Yeah. I think the problem is
Speaker 1: like the lack of consistency throwing the football. Seems like
Speaker 1: he's got to take a huge step to get there,
Speaker 1: which makes me a little bit nervous about him, right because,
Speaker 1: like I was talking to some other people that I
Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he can run, he's got the leadership, but ultimately got
Speaker 1: to throw the football. And you look at Hurts for example,
Speaker 1: he sat for like basically a year and a half, yeah,
Speaker 1: and was able to develop and grow and work on
Speaker 1: his mechanics and improve. Is he going to be afforded
Speaker 1: that same opportunity and is he going to improve the
Speaker 1: same way.
Speaker 2: He has to have the opportunity to blossom.
Speaker 1: Now he goes think about him.
Speaker 2: I heard that I found very similar because they both jacked.
Speaker 2: They first thing is to throw hard. When Jalen went
Speaker 2: to Oklahoma, he started to throw with touch and that
Speaker 2: was a throwing team with a head coach. They love
Speaker 2: to throw the.
Speaker 1: Ball all that.
Speaker 3: They probably gave him that insight to do so too.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I just think once he learned to take
Speaker 2: a little bit off the ball and actually anticipate, like
Speaker 2: he wanted the guy because he's I'm so strong. He
Speaker 2: wait till you get out, till you get and then
Speaker 2: you can try to jam.
Speaker 1: It in there.
Speaker 2: Like I just feel like if you get around some
Speaker 2: pro coaching and build him up, he'll start to really
Speaker 2: throw the ball.
Speaker 4: I just want to say, man, get we talk at
Speaker 4: nause him about you know, I guess you can say
Speaker 4: developing players, and I hate it because you see a
Speaker 4: lot of guys getting into the league and you know
Speaker 4: they don't get developed because it's almost like they're getting
Speaker 4: rushed to be out there.
Speaker 2: Michael, ready, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And so this is a This is a guy that
Speaker 4: I would love to see him a couple of years
Speaker 4: down the road after the team took that chance and
Speaker 4: see him and get to the point to where we're
Speaker 4: talking about now at throwing the ball, going how to
Speaker 4: get rid of the ball, anticipating pass because if you can,
Speaker 4: if you find a way to get him there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: with everything else, man, like you say, the leadership qualities,
Speaker 4: the way he runs runs with the football, that's where
Speaker 4: the game is going. That's where these teams want those
Speaker 4: kind of players because they want to they understand those
Speaker 4: guys that's on the defensive edges now and in the
Speaker 4: interior getting way bigger, faster, stronger. We need somebody that
Speaker 4: can be able to move outside pond it fix. And
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not questioning coaches or or teams that's
Speaker 4: saying that, hey, this might be a guy that we
Speaker 4: can bring in and get them court to speed.
Speaker 3: To be a better quarterback for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think when you look at the ball of clay
Speaker 1: with Jalen Milroe, it's definitely there. Right. I think the
Speaker 1: problem you hit this tennis, So I'm just kind of
Speaker 1: reiterating what you just said is the problem with the
Speaker 1: NFL is that it's not a developmental league. Now basically
Speaker 1: they say, oh, you can't do it, I'm going to
Speaker 1: get someone else, and they literally like I've had that conversation.
Speaker 1: I want the new thing, so like, oh, I can't
Speaker 1: teach you to do this, shoot, I can find someone
Speaker 1: to do that. And that's where I think the difference
Speaker 1: between good coaches and kind of mediacre coaching the NFL
Speaker 1: level wise is the lack of development. So interesting conversation
Speaker 1: there about Jealen Milrolle. Hopefully it works out. Hopefully it's
Speaker 1: gone early one their.
Speaker 2: Team like be the Raiders, tell you the truth?
Speaker 4: Sitting behind Geno and and literally and you know, you
Speaker 4: know that boy that he's like a quarterback whisper Pete Carroll.
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll hate ho.
Speaker 2: He know so much? He known for office right, he's
Speaker 2: been on defense.
Speaker 4: I was always questioned that because when I knew that,
Speaker 4: you know, d Q was over there, I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: who got the knock?
Speaker 2: You know, we go with his defense or did he
Speaker 2: go with Q? You learned from him is how to
Speaker 2: be the whole post of the whole team there with
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll, do listen.
Speaker 1: I love Pete carricters.
Speaker 2: He hates on high by at the high level. No
Speaker 2: matter where how I go, Pete Carris popper, you like
Speaker 2: to see a round. First of all, Stanford was that
Speaker 2: Stanford winning when Andrew Lugez who popped up Pete Carrolls
Speaker 2: at UNC winning Nation championship. So guess what? How about
Speaker 2: said he gonna going to the league. Where you going?
Speaker 2: I'm going to the forty nine ers, pet Cats? All right,
Speaker 2: I'm going to Seattle win the super Bowl?
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: I guess what I think?
Speaker 1: Carbark after him?
Speaker 2: No, well, how ball came back to college? Right, Pete
Speaker 2: Carroll tied? Then how about said I'm going back to
Speaker 2: the league. Get what Pete Canzie pumped up? I'm coming
Speaker 2: right back up and you're gonna be in my saint Yeah,
Speaker 2: yes I am, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Raiders taking them at six.
Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about get back in the bottom of
Speaker 2: the first. Get back in the bottom of the first.
Speaker 2: Take genty with your first peak. That's a win that peak,
Speaker 2: and then take a win later peak and meal Roads
Speaker 2: putting behind Geno.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about let's make this a little
Speaker 1: bit more commander centric, because I don't think they're going
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback. I don't think they're taking Jalen
Speaker 1: Miller in the first round at twenty nine. That doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like something the commanders are going to do because
Speaker 1: we got a really good one here already.
Speaker 2: So they make it whole off a meal road because
Speaker 2: the eye guy was ready like ready ready, ready ready.
Speaker 1: All right, So of this list, do you see a commander?
Speaker 1: And while you guys are looking, I just want to
Speaker 1: say a couple of things. I think there's three or
Speaker 1: four guys at the top they're going to go really early.
Speaker 1: And those guys are Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, cam Ward.
Speaker 1: Those are three guys. I'm gonna throw Mason Graham in
Speaker 1: there too, but it's I think he could slide a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I think he's gonna be Johnson in
Speaker 1: there too. Yeah. But see, so to me everybody else
Speaker 1: that I didn't mention, I could see them going anywhere
Speaker 1: from six to thirty five. And like that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I don't like the players. I just think when you
Speaker 1: talk to people in this draft, like I had a
Speaker 1: conversation with someone yesterday about Will Johnson and it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's fortieth on my board and I was like, you're
Speaker 1: you're a liar, Like, there's no way that's true. He
Speaker 1: was being dead seriously. So it's again it's this year
Speaker 1: specifically is so subjective, so that with that throwing that
Speaker 1: out there, I think all these guys have the potential
Speaker 1: to take a slide. I think Ashton Genty probably goes
Speaker 1: in the tent like the high twenties, late teens, and
Speaker 1: in a worst case scenario, but if he did take
Speaker 1: a slide, like it wouldn't totally surprise me because the
Speaker 1: running back value if they can get a blue chip guy.
Speaker 1: But one guy in particular that I think fits this
Speaker 1: mold or embodies this at the highest level as Tyler Booker,
Speaker 1: the guard from Alibai. So I've seen him mocked in
Speaker 1: the top ten. I've also seen him in the bottom
Speaker 1: of the second round. Yeah, him over to play, and
Speaker 1: I do think just from what I've heard about him
Speaker 1: that he is a Commander's football player. He is everyone
Speaker 1: says his intangibles are excellent. He's like the leader of
Speaker 1: the offense and he plays left guard right. He finishes.
Speaker 1: He's a little slow footed, but he's long, he's big.
Speaker 1: He's like three twenty five. He's six six, He's got
Speaker 1: these thirty four thirty five inch arms. So he's just
Speaker 1: a big man, strong man. He's going to get better.
Speaker 1: He can play all three interior positions. And so if
Speaker 1: he were to take a little bit of a skid
Speaker 1: and he's sitting there at twenty nine, like, I think
Speaker 1: that just from like the off field stuff, the way
Speaker 1: he plays the game, could totally be a commander. And
Speaker 1: I've brought that up to fans are like, I'm not I
Speaker 1: don't want to take a guard. Think about this. You
Speaker 1: got Laramie Tunsel, got Tyler Booker. Yeah, you got Beatish
Speaker 1: in this at center be Cosmey and then Brandon Coleman
Speaker 1: like that all of a sudden becomes a one of
Speaker 1: the missus. Lad. I just like that, just like that,
Speaker 1: And so that to me is one that I think
Speaker 1: would be really interesting.
Speaker 2: Well I will one up you with this.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's go for it, all right.
Speaker 2: Since you went to Alabama, I'm going to the lone
Speaker 2: star state of Texas. We got Matt through Golden. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do Golden because he adds an element that's not
Speaker 2: on this team right now. It's just flat out gas patch.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about a guy that just can flat out
Speaker 2: a clear our king is what I call some players
Speaker 2: as a dB. When we see him on the field,
Speaker 2: we already know what route they got. They don't mean
Speaker 2: you can stop it, but we already know what route
Speaker 2: you got. Do you know what met through? Golden could
Speaker 2: open up for Debo intermediately? Well, he can open up
Speaker 2: for zach Ertz intermediately. Like this dude becomes an instant
Speaker 2: check with me player when he comes in the game. Hey,
Speaker 2: met through in the game? Safety get back a little bit.
Speaker 2: That just opened up a fifteen year old wonder for
Speaker 2: them to hit a dacker. So sometime it ain't about
Speaker 2: to yours you bring, It's about what can you do
Speaker 2: for your teammates?
Speaker 1: I say, Golden right there? Do you think he plays
Speaker 1: that fast? I think I think he's a he's the
Speaker 1: mind of world wide receiver. I think he plays incredibly.
Speaker 1: He does the fundamentals really well.
Speaker 2: Like is he explosive? That's what I don't know. If
Speaker 2: he's verticed, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't care about how fast you are in running
Speaker 4: your rounds. I wanted I want to When he gets
Speaker 4: the ball is when he gets the ball in his hand,
Speaker 4: can't he He's just shaken around the phone boot and
Speaker 4: get down here.
Speaker 1: Gets separate separation.
Speaker 2: He gets separation, and I see, I know what you're
Speaker 2: hitting that he gets separation. Is he totally polished?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Do he play with to the top of his speed
Speaker 2: dominant all the time. No, But guess what, that's why
Speaker 2: you got these guys in this building to help mold players.
Speaker 2: Like he hasn't reached his ceiling.
Speaker 1: And that's what I like in a draft. I don't
Speaker 1: want to finish product. So if we were to take
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden twenty nine, I'd be ecstatic because he's like,
Speaker 1: he's my number one receiver above tet Tram McMillan. Oh
Speaker 1: do you yeah? He can stop start, he can. He
Speaker 1: doesn't do any speeding it out of his cuts ten
Speaker 1: He catches the football like with great body control. Again,
Speaker 1: like he ran a four two nine or for whatever
Speaker 1: it was, for three two, whatever it was. He's fast,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I've ever seen him run
Speaker 1: that fast, Like you know, like when you watch Maxwell Harrison,
Speaker 1: You're like that dude's fast. Yeah, because Golden as I'm
Speaker 1: always like how fast.
Speaker 2: They go with some of you got so relaxed that
Speaker 2: they don't look like Jameson Williams. Jameson Williams, he got
Speaker 2: this loan scribe and I'd be like, oh, he moving,
Speaker 2: but it don't look like he moving. You see what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. What you mean deceptive speed? Yeah, decept speed?
Speaker 1: No, I'm with you on that. So he's an in
Speaker 1: string one. I mean him and Tetra McMillan both. I
Speaker 1: think I think I can see Tetro taking a little
Speaker 1: bit of sliding and being there like is that likely
Speaker 1: to happen to me? Probably not, but could it happened? Absolutely, Drake.
Speaker 4: I love to see you know, I tell y'all that
Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna keep going with Mike Green. I
Speaker 4: love to see him, you know, sliding and slide one
Speaker 4: down and got him going at twenty eight to who
Speaker 4: that who does in front of us?
Speaker 2: Detroit?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love to see Detroit say ah be food,
Speaker 4: Jo want somebody else?
Speaker 3: And he'd be sitting right there for the taking.
Speaker 4: But then they got to do Maxwell Harrison going to
Speaker 4: us at twenty nine on some people mock so mean
Speaker 4: like I couldn't. I wouldn't deny that because I look
Speaker 4: at our defense in the back situation. Now, it's great
Speaker 4: to have depth. We have some guys there that's capable.
Speaker 4: We have a guy who we we guess we just
Speaker 4: traded for last year late in the season and not
Speaker 4: knowing how long he's going to be around the league.
Speaker 4: It'll be great to bring in a guy we just
Speaker 4: talked about how fast he was and playing in this defense.
Speaker 2: Man. We could just just.
Speaker 4: Just picture him in this defense with these coaches and
Speaker 4: this staff man. You can see that guy being one
Speaker 4: of the top guys along with Santa Steel. So, you know,
Speaker 4: so many guys, like we say, you don't know what's
Speaker 4: going to happen. But if I had to pick two,
Speaker 4: those two stand out to me because I love Mike Green,
Speaker 4: knowing that we just got rid of a guy like Fouler.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: He has that same body type to me, like, you know,
Speaker 4: not so big, fast, twitchy. You know, I'm sure he
Speaker 4: can learn a lot from some of those guys who's
Speaker 4: already there. If we don't get him, then Max would
Speaker 4: be the next guy that I can see that, you know,
Speaker 4: I love to be a commander.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, uh, I think that's a great point.
Speaker 1: I think there's a very good chance he could be
Speaker 1: there at twenty nine. We'll see. But the other guy
Speaker 1: I have, I have a very high grade on Malachi Starks.
Speaker 1: He's like my tenth player, tenth player in the first round.
Speaker 1: But I think he's like I've seen Mox where he
Speaker 1: takes a slide and I think he says that the flexibility,
Speaker 1: the nickel, the safety ability. And then Shamar Stewart also
Speaker 1: like some people have him as high of eight, some
Speaker 1: people have him in the sixties. I think in terms
Speaker 1: of physical play style, athletic upside, you know, just the
Speaker 1: kind of wired the right way from a competitor.
Speaker 2: Staple, Well, it scares me.
Speaker 1: But at twenty nine, though, is it that scary?
Speaker 2: No, No, what scares me is I'm a film dude.
Speaker 2: I want to see you go make plays against other
Speaker 2: college players. I'm with you, and this dude numbers jump
Speaker 2: off the board forty vertical bitch bris And then I
Speaker 2: look at his production. Yeah, and he got forts do
Speaker 2: we even got four.
Speaker 1: Sacks in four years, four and a half sacks of
Speaker 1: the last two years.
Speaker 2: So so all I'm saying is, if you ain't get
Speaker 2: them sacks on the college key, can I say that
Speaker 2: you're gonna te in the corner.
Speaker 1: What we were just talking about that this staff does
Speaker 1: really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they set you up and put you in And
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 1: Think about I think about my guy Ryan Kerrigan. I
Speaker 1: think about Darryl Tappa working with one of the freakiest
Speaker 1: athletes ever to come through the combine. And and yet dude, Freddy,
Speaker 1: yet he like had a very good pressure for so
Speaker 1: he got to it, want it up. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: we just get that guy going in the right direction.
Speaker 1: Put it in nine man at twenty nine. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I agree, But I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: you just said twenty nine.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm saying that if you saw, if you,
Speaker 2: if me and you was in the GM and that
Speaker 2: we was in the scout thing, and he was like, hey,
Speaker 2: fred I want you to check this guy out. He's
Speaker 2: a wide receiver with six feet tall, runner four to
Speaker 2: two forty, And I'm like, oh my god, how many
Speaker 2: catches he got in conte He ain't got a bout four?
Speaker 2: What can I do with that?
Speaker 1: No, but I will. So this is the thing about
Speaker 1: defensive alignment right, if they have a good athletic profile.
Speaker 1: Ideally you want both good athletic profile the production. Then
Speaker 1: that's like Jared Verst last year, just to put that
Speaker 1: thing on the tee heat it out of the park.
Speaker 1: If they have good athletic production. There are case studies
Speaker 1: where that does work out. And I'm saying later in
Speaker 1: the first round in a weaker draft, when you're like that,
Speaker 1: the ceiling on that is sky high.
Speaker 4: But but what would be the what is the reason
Speaker 4: and behind that lack of productive What.
Speaker 2: Is the reason?
Speaker 4: What is the reason behind that lack of productivity that
Speaker 4: will give you the right to say that I still
Speaker 4: want to take.
Speaker 2: A chance because it's the athletic profile, the profile.
Speaker 1: But also like you played a lot of like tight
Speaker 1: to the tackle five technique four, I like not hard
Speaker 1: to rush the pass from there. Right, They were really
Speaker 1: worried about the r PO zone read stuff. So they're
Speaker 1: kind of doing all this and so I do. But
Speaker 1: like when he flashes.
Speaker 3: Man, so you see the flash, You see that he has.
Speaker 2: It in him.
Speaker 1: When you go to the Senior Bowl, man, when you
Speaker 1: watch so this is sener Bowl is like the best
Speaker 1: players in the country, right, Like the best college players,
Speaker 1: and when that dude comes onto the field, it he's bigger,
Speaker 1: he's stronger, he's faster than every single person on the field.
Speaker 1: Is he the most refined person? No, but watching him
Speaker 1: bull rush Emery Jones, like lift him up like he's
Speaker 1: a small child and throw him into the quarterback in
Speaker 1: one on ones. Yeah, just like we can figure it out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, I'm more, especially when you got other guys twenty nine.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying take that top taglet in my ingredients.
Speaker 2: I'm more. I walked the player. They love the game
Speaker 2: more than I like the player. The God's gift like
Speaker 2: God's guilt.
Speaker 1: And this is a it's a great it's a great point.
Speaker 1: Like if we had an interview with him and he
Speaker 1: was a bad interview, Yeah, but if he's like ready
Speaker 1: to go, I just want to get better. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: that's a different thing. And that's why those thirty visits
Speaker 1: are so important. That's why the meetings of the combined
Speaker 1: are so important. But I do think when you look
Speaker 1: at this list, like I'd say, there's six guys that
Speaker 1: could fall down in twenty nine that would be very good.
Speaker 4: I asked this question because I always thought in first
Speaker 4: round selections. You want a guy that can capable be
Speaker 4: coming in play right now at what number you get
Speaker 4: to in the first round where you say, okay, these
Speaker 4: are guys that I'm taking their press on that I
Speaker 4: feel like, I just.
Speaker 3: Don't want him to go nowhere else, fall nowhere else.
Speaker 1: So I just did my big board, my top one hundre,
Speaker 1: which is now on the Commander's website. You know how
Speaker 1: many people having Tier one, three, three, three? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know people haven't tiered in the second tier. Who would
Speaker 1: be fifty sixty plus no tier two? So like I
Speaker 1: have five, So there's eight players that I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: a reasonable chance to become good starters. So one to
Speaker 1: eight we're okay. After that, it's it's a yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's beauty is in the ether beholder. And that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying with this people that are coming here, it's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of names I hear that people like,
Speaker 1: no way they're gonna be there twenty nine. I'm telling you, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you you're gonna see some crazy stuff in
Speaker 1: this draft that we have.
Speaker 4: We've seen it for years for years that didn't have
Speaker 4: a lick of film, but you.
Speaker 1: Ran four different thrown.
Speaker 2: Know, this feels more erratic than I have ever seen
Speaker 2: any year, Like even to the point where I'm here.
Speaker 2: You know how you you get your lip brother something
Speaker 2: he like, I don't want it, but I take it anyway.
Speaker 2: This draft feel I don't want cam Ward, but I'm
Speaker 2: taking me anyway. You know, it's this, It's like we
Speaker 2: forced the boy this stuff. Yeah you're picking, and it's
Speaker 2: like nobody won't go to the grocery store. Like it's
Speaker 2: like everybody like, yeah, yeah, whatever. But I'm like, to me,
Speaker 2: this is the most blue collar after having this Star
Speaker 2: Study draft last year, this is blue collar. So this
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. It's a tons of starters in
Speaker 2: this draft. It might not be tons of Pro Bowlers
Speaker 2: and Hall of Famers, but when I say tons of guys,
Speaker 2: if you know, how should I say run some guys
Speaker 2: out of the league.
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys.
Speaker 2: Are gonna replace a lot of Star Wars guys.
Speaker 1: I have a question hater.
Speaker 5: Here. So because they're all kind of bunched up, how
Speaker 5: important is like the thirty visits he interview process and
Speaker 5: stuff like that that we're not privy to and most
Speaker 5: of the national media is and privy to that's going
Speaker 5: to decide a lot of disorder.
Speaker 2: That's the most intimate time you got with them.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it. Some most it's the
Speaker 1: most important the film. The film's most important.
Speaker 2: But then it's like, yeah, but when I say intimate type,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like the combine is intimate. But I
Speaker 2: want to come get out of this.
Speaker 4: I want I wonder how much the coaches get out
Speaker 4: of there just having that sit down with those guys.
Speaker 4: Because you've got so many other guys around, you know,
Speaker 4: you're not really getting the I'm just talking about these
Speaker 4: little visits when they film and meet like with four
Speaker 4: or five other guys, you know.
Speaker 1: So what I'd say is you asked me something about
Speaker 1: like coaching high school ball, and what the like, the
Speaker 1: main thing of high school ball is is getting to
Speaker 1: know the kid. And if I know the kid, I
Speaker 1: know what they can do. I know how they're wired
Speaker 1: enough to communicate with them. I'm like, okay, that's like
Speaker 1: that's literally more important than talent, more important than.
Speaker 2: Peopel, Like you can least kind of lead him to
Speaker 2: put on them.
Speaker 1: And so that's what these visits are about you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, can this guy Shamar Stewart's
Speaker 1: a great example who was an athletic freak. Is he
Speaker 1: mentally wired in a way that I can communicate with him?
Speaker 1: Do I want to communicate with him? Is he a
Speaker 1: big idiot? I remember I had a meeting with a
Speaker 1: guy talking with the coach last year, and I said,
Speaker 1: what do you think about player so and so? He's
Speaker 1: a good player, but I don't like him as a person.
Speaker 1: So they're not gonna draft.
Speaker 2: Back because they don't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And even though the kid like the film was greaty,
Speaker 1: he's like, I just don't like them. And so that's
Speaker 1: where that is so important, because who you're going to
Speaker 1: invest more time with? The guy that you like, the
Speaker 1: guy that you're motivated to be around every day?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy.
Speaker 1: And so that's where these visits it's just to give
Speaker 1: you an insight about like this is how Santanamos is wired,
Speaker 1: this is how Fred's Spoot's wired, and can I make
Speaker 1: this work?
Speaker 4: And we're gonna because I'm just I was just basically
Speaker 4: trying to piggyback off of Jason's question because just I
Speaker 4: remember being on visits and I'm like, man, it's too
Speaker 4: many guys for y'all to really get to know. You
Speaker 4: might get asking questions to me, Like I know in
Speaker 4: my visits, they ain't get to know nothing about me
Speaker 4: because I'm in there. I barely said anything. When they
Speaker 4: pull my film up, I sat down in the bag.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh yeah, everybody, I want to see his film.
Speaker 4: And then the guys like, oh, well he was a
Speaker 4: hands catcher. I didn't think you they were ready to
Speaker 4: knock me.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But that was those are the guys that was competing
Speaker 4: against you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm sitting there a choir.
Speaker 4: So the I remember we was in Kansas City and
Speaker 4: the guy was like, it's oh damn, what his name Winston?
Speaker 2: Because we had I had his brother in New York.
Speaker 4: But it's crazy. That's probably why he got me. But
Speaker 4: his brother in Casey at the time forgot his name.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be mad.
Speaker 4: It's gonna come up to me later. He saved my
Speaker 4: highlight for last. And I remember one of the guy's
Speaker 4: not draft class. He actually went to what did he
Speaker 4: go to k C? He wore eighty nine. He went
Speaker 4: to he went to Green Bay. What his name is
Speaker 4: from Texas?
Speaker 2: Oh, I know exactly who you talk about. You gonna
Speaker 2: hit me. So when he put it on, he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm finna. I want to see this everybody. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: damned Robert Ferguson. Ferguson and Rob Robin my boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then after he watched the highlight, say, oh, I
Speaker 4: ain't know he was a hands catcher.
Speaker 2: I thought he caught everything with his butt. I'm like,
Speaker 2: only when I got to buddy, not just laughed at off.
Speaker 4: So the guy told me he hit me, Say, I
Speaker 4: did that on purpose because I know you the only
Speaker 4: guy here ain't bragging about yourself yet and you our
Speaker 4: guy on our list, but we know we gonna be
Speaker 4: able to get you. But getting back to what I
Speaker 4: was talking about, you don't really get a chance to
Speaker 4: know these guys for that little bit of time you
Speaker 4: have them, especially when they're around the other guys.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because like even in that conversation, like.
Speaker 2: They got to know his dad knew a little bit
Speaker 2: about coach.
Speaker 1: Knew you, got to know you. The coach knew a
Speaker 1: little bit about Ferguson, and like that's why they took
Speaker 1: him a talk golf last year, right, see how they
Speaker 1: interact and that's really what you're trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: right if it works.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I know because I had a coach, because
Speaker 2: I took a trip to Casey meet Snoop Minis all.
Speaker 2: This was on the same trip And first thing they
Speaker 2: wanted to do with me was put me on the chalkboard.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was just peak to see my
Speaker 2: football knowledge, i Q. I think they just want to
Speaker 2: see how communicated football because they want to ask me
Speaker 2: no question that I couldn't answer, like I'm zipping through
Speaker 2: that you donna do this, you gonna do this, do
Speaker 2: this right here, and if he moved right here, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do this right So and I think they just
Speaker 2: want to see how because I was known as a trench,
Speaker 2: they won't know what do he really talked trans as
Speaker 2: he's just educated talking the AQ. So that's what it
Speaker 2: was about with me, No, And.
Speaker 1: I think that's right. And I think like one another
Speaker 1: thing I talked to somebody recently about like you know,
Speaker 1: if you're not going on thirty visits, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And they because you know you said, you didn't go
Speaker 1: on visits, right, They said, well, they know you, they
Speaker 1: know what you're about, so they don't need to know.
Speaker 1: So if you're coming on visits and they're trying to.
Speaker 3: And then also we forget how many times they reach.
Speaker 4: Out to those high school teachers, girlfriends, cousins. And when
Speaker 4: I say I bump into people in the street, they
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, I talked to the NFL for you,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, they called you, yes, And it's like
Speaker 4: you get surprised by because you didn't know it was
Speaker 4: to that extent, like you know you not, damn you
Speaker 4: extremely trying to dive as deep as you can kid
Speaker 4: in the years. And it's crazy because that's one of
Speaker 4: the things like especially in certain households, like my dad
Speaker 4: always to tell me, man, your what do.
Speaker 2: You just say?
Speaker 4: The first impression is the best, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: And so like whatever they think of you to me,
Speaker 4: even if you don't be about whatever you showed them,
Speaker 4: that's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be as lasting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Last, And so I used to always say to myself regardless,
Speaker 4: if I'm gonna dude, when I get around my homeboys,
Speaker 4: I'd like to have fun when I come into this
Speaker 4: meeting and show them that I'm.
Speaker 2: By my business, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And you think back of all those people that you
Speaker 4: crossed paths with, whether you was a a hole tom
Speaker 4: or not, you'd be like, well, damn, I hope they
Speaker 4: ain't talk to the wrong I never cared because I
Speaker 4: know I've always been a cool dude, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Hey, look, I don't know you from nothing,
Speaker 4: so I ain't finna go out here and go out
Speaker 4: my way and be somebody that I ain't. But when
Speaker 4: you think about it, you'd be like, well, damn, that's
Speaker 4: why certain guys don't get a chance to see that
Speaker 4: team or two that may have a high grade on them,
Speaker 4: because they found out.
Speaker 3: That maybe we don't want to bring that headache in here.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I heard you talking about
Speaker 4: it the other day. He was like, Look, I'm taking
Speaker 4: a chance on the guy who's a great football player.
Speaker 4: If he got a couple of problems, I can always
Speaker 4: coach that, get that get him around somewhere where we're
Speaker 4: gonna love on him.
Speaker 2: We'll get the best out here. Yes, especially if I
Speaker 2: got the right veterance in here, they're gonna make suit good.
Speaker 2: Like that's the thing about it, like what I had
Speaker 2: said that three four years ago.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, we just can't do it.
Speaker 2: We ain't got the capacity, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So that's gonna do it. For that section on
Speaker 1: the draft and the meetings and why it's important a
Speaker 1: lot to move the next thing and it's called sell
Speaker 1: me something.
Speaker 2: Good, tell me something, and so basically.
Speaker 1: I want we're all gonna pick a prospect and it
Speaker 1: doesn't need to be a fit for the commanders, but
Speaker 1: we're just gonna sell that player to you, the audience,
Speaker 1: and why do you like him? And you want to
Speaker 1: start because I was thinking about your royal sales pitch
Speaker 1: earlier and I thought that should be the.
Speaker 2: No. Listen, I just love just going back through that pitch.
Speaker 2: I just think he's a weapon, so a royal.
Speaker 1: Royal from Miami, talk from Miami.
Speaker 2: He's fast, he's big, he's wrong when you bring him
Speaker 2: in the game. The first question defensive coordinator got an X.
Speaker 2: Who am I putting on him? Safety, corner, linebacker, move guy.
Speaker 2: I think he can do everything. He's a chest piece.
Speaker 2: The one thing I think when you when you're building
Speaker 2: an on me, you want an arsenal, all right. I
Speaker 2: just can't have one hundred tanks and no planes. I
Speaker 2: need to have tanks, planes, jeeps, automobiles.
Speaker 1: I need it all.
Speaker 2: I need diversity. I don't need all my tight ends
Speaker 2: to look the same. I don't need them to play
Speaker 2: the same. I don't want my running backs do all
Speaker 2: look the same. I don't want them to play the same,
Speaker 2: just like my wide receiver group.
Speaker 1: Do you add auroral to this?
Speaker 2: Like I told you, imagine gold line erth said tight
Speaker 2: with the motion debo to the backfield. Second motion is
Speaker 2: a roller coming across the formation. Once JD five starts
Speaker 2: to roll that way, you don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: You don't know who got who first of all. First
Speaker 2: thing they got to say is which one of us
Speaker 2: on debo? This's the argument between the cone in and safety.
Speaker 2: The next argument is between the safety and the linebacker.
Speaker 1: Who got a roar?
Speaker 2: Guess who that came open? Zach Hurtz for his one
Speaker 2: hundred and nineteen thousand touchdown. All I'm saying is that
Speaker 2: dude is a move piece. You can indeed you playing
Speaker 2: him sparely, all right, So it ain't like he a
Speaker 2: legit starter he just an alert, just like de Boys
Speaker 2: alert when he come in defensive playoff, were gonna alert
Speaker 2: with them to come in when they come in.
Speaker 1: As a pair.
Speaker 2: You don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: Don't add achola to it.
Speaker 2: Like it just one problem after another one.
Speaker 1: It's a great pitch. It's a really good I.
Speaker 4: Just say it's one problem after I already told you
Speaker 4: a great salesperson.
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm sold.
Speaker 4: So I just and I know the capabilities that he got,
Speaker 4: he would brains in his offense.
Speaker 1: I mean, damn yeah. So for me, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: an easy one. I did it earlier today on ticket
Speaker 1: of the draft, and it's Jailen Travis. I have talked
Speaker 1: to a lot of people and I can't. I think
Speaker 1: I'm higher on him than a lot of people. But
Speaker 1: I look at for a late round tackle, you have
Speaker 1: to have some minimal thresholds to start in the NFL. Right,
Speaker 1: You have to have arm length, you have to have
Speaker 1: foot speed. So he's six seven and a half, big
Speaker 1: old house, he's three forty. He's got thirty five inch arms.
Speaker 1: You're running five to one forty at the combine. He's
Speaker 1: got a thirty five inch vertical he transferred from Princeton.
Speaker 1: So smart dude, t i Iowa State. You watch the
Speaker 1: first six games of the year at Iowa State struggled
Speaker 1: a bit. You watch the last six games that played
Speaker 1: really well. Has a really good feel for being big
Speaker 1: and being in the way, and for tackles who can
Speaker 1: pass protect, they usually find a way to play football
Speaker 1: in the nf home. That's exactly right. So when I
Speaker 1: look at him, I say, in a in a class
Speaker 1: that's devoid of tackle talent. Right at the top, it's thin, right,
Speaker 1: we just we've talked about yah because his.
Speaker 2: Questions about Willi camb we're coaching the bat like every
Speaker 2: lays one of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's then at the top you move down, you're like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe Anthony Belton, but he's probably gonna be in the
Speaker 1: third round. Yeah, right, and Scranton have a pick there.
Speaker 1: You down the fourth, fifth round. There's nobody who can
Speaker 1: play tackle in the NFL, and out of tackers had
Speaker 1: to move to go and I see Jalen Travis and
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the one that I hold up on
Speaker 1: a pedestal and say, if you need someone late to
Speaker 1: play right tackle in the NFL. Yeah, that's the guy.
Speaker 1: And so that's my sales pitch on Jalen track. They
Speaker 1: go to seven and a half three forty yeah, five
Speaker 1: thirty five inch vertical right like r V.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, just like telling the kids were going
Speaker 2: and we're going, we're going across the United States for the.
Speaker 1: Summer getting that RV and so for the for his
Speaker 1: moving skills, former basketball player, like I just feel like,
Speaker 1: yeah for a late round tackle, that's the guy you
Speaker 1: want to find. Yeah, yeah, so you got one of you.
Speaker 1: You've been big on Mike Green lately, but.
Speaker 2: I've been been on Mike Green.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna go with somebody who's who's not in
Speaker 4: nobody's radar, and he's in a lot of people radar.
Speaker 4: But I know we talked about him earlier. Well we
Speaker 4: could go and y'all say, y'all ain't like the way
Speaker 4: you ran Asari? Sorry, Yeah, you know the reason why
Speaker 4: I'm gonna talk about him because me and my cousin.
Speaker 3: My cousin coached him at Florida State and.
Speaker 4: The first the first kid you know what he is,
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like we could sit here
Speaker 4: talk about we can sit here and talk about tangibly,
Speaker 4: but but I'm I want a guy that I know that's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be all about football.
Speaker 4: And then when you talking about Adam to a secondary
Speaker 4: where you know this is probably one one of the
Speaker 4: most improved secondaries in the whole NFL, I didn't hear it.
Speaker 2: I just saw it.
Speaker 4: I saw these guys go out there and bring in
Speaker 4: guys ad guys from the safety position, add guys from
Speaker 4: the cornerback position that I know this kid can learn from.
Speaker 4: Then you got another guy on the other side that
Speaker 4: just came in here and just played flat out. And
Speaker 4: Sandy still just think about what a younger guy going
Speaker 4: to come in and say, Okay, I want to be
Speaker 4: like that. I want to I want to be able
Speaker 4: to be too to what sentence to what picked sentence
Speaker 4: to bring what did you do last year that made
Speaker 4: you so special in this defense?
Speaker 3: And with the coaches, I don't have to.
Speaker 4: Say much, but the thing that I'm going to hold
Speaker 4: up high beyond tangibles and measurables and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: God here man we know that to him and knows football,
Speaker 4: all he wants to play is ball. He ain't thinking
Speaker 4: about nothing outside. He ain't thinking about how fast his
Speaker 4: car gonna be. He wants to go out there and
Speaker 4: play football. And he has a size to go out there.
Speaker 4: And when you talk about one of our guys that
Speaker 4: were replacing them with and Saint Jews, Saint Juice, he
Speaker 4: got the sides to go along with it.
Speaker 2: I talked.
Speaker 4: I talked to my cousin brief and I say, hey, bro,
Speaker 4: what just tell me what to think about him? I
Speaker 4: watched this game a little bit. What do you think
Speaker 4: about He say, Tanna, hen't run well. So everybody, you know,
Speaker 4: they got their up and down you know, thoughts on them.
Speaker 4: But if you want a guy to come in and
Speaker 4: play ball, if you want a guy as well coach
Speaker 4: and that's gonna be coachable, that's your guy, no matter
Speaker 4: where you're.
Speaker 2: Picking them at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want a football player, he's one of them.
Speaker 1: That's a great sales pitch because I think that's ultimately
Speaker 1: like the pitcher're gonna get in the in the in
Speaker 1: the war room. It's that kind of pitch. Like he's
Speaker 1: a he loves ball, he's competitive, he's tough. When you
Speaker 1: sit with he hear that. And I watched the film.
Speaker 1: You know he did run slow, but I see a
Speaker 1: competitive a dog ass competitor.
Speaker 2: Steady have much, but he stood.
Speaker 1: Out like he's willing to tackle, get up and challenge you.
Speaker 1: You watch him at the senior ball.
Speaker 2: I think that the first time I've ever seen Santana
Speaker 2: Field sorry from Florida State. I think he had a
Speaker 2: look at his act Like y'all don't say they still
Speaker 2: in Florida, man, I got true sympathy. You know, I
Speaker 2: know they ain't good, but good whoop them last year?
Speaker 1: Unless I forget I got let's not forget our guy.
Speaker 2: Just can I sell you one?
Speaker 5: Because I have watched a lot of guys this year
Speaker 5: for the tap to the draft. Probably, No, it's not
Speaker 5: all right, we already I want the ticket to the draft.
Speaker 5: We've talked about all these guys, so I'm bringing them
Speaker 5: up again. But I'm going to sell you in this
Speaker 5: guy because we didn't. I don't think we sold him
Speaker 5: hard enough when the last ticket to their draft pod
Speaker 5: and that's l O Maynor, the wide receiver from Stanford.
Speaker 1: He is so good, Tanna.
Speaker 5: He's six two to ten, He's a true ex He
Speaker 5: hasn't played a lot of football, as Jeremy Green told
Speaker 5: us around He's only played like thirty some games. So
Speaker 5: he's still tailing in freshman Fred Smooth does, but you
Speaker 5: never know it because he can never.
Speaker 1: Play the same play.
Speaker 2: See have no idea what he's talking about. It.
Speaker 5: But it's this guy that was close actually from Stanford,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 2: So here's the thing.
Speaker 5: Is like the thing that sold me when watching his
Speaker 5: tape was actually not from last year. It was from
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three because I wanted to see a match
Speaker 5: up against a top tier corner. So they played Colorado,
Speaker 5: which is true. His hunter was on him and he
Speaker 5: was shut down the first half, didn't get a target
Speaker 5: his way. The game was getting a little bit out
Speaker 5: of hand. Stanford comes storming back and he gets two
Speaker 5: hundred and night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went off with that game off on he went.
Speaker 2: He is good. And when I say, when I say,
Speaker 2: he's wrong, like you said, he ain't playing with two games,
Speaker 2: you see, I already have a high.
Speaker 1: I'm not the name person.
Speaker 2: I just knew that. I knew who you talk. Once
Speaker 2: you say he went off the second I.
Speaker 5: Know that June ninety four three, and that's with arguably
Speaker 5: the best corner in the draft.
Speaker 2: The drafts un bade them green eggs, and hay, what
Speaker 2: I know and if you really know athletes, you can
Speaker 2: look at you like, oh, he really doing this and
Speaker 2: he don't know money, he don't know he wait till
Speaker 2: you put a brain in his head.
Speaker 1: He got that brain.
Speaker 2: This that what he was he out there like listen,
Speaker 2: he out there like the crow. He didn't want to brain.
Speaker 4: No, but he did seem raw, you know that game,
Speaker 4: to seem like a guy that he was doing things
Speaker 4: that he was like it ain't nothing, really, this is
Speaker 4: what my my ability can allow me to run out.
Speaker 4: But if you really get somebody behind him, yeah, and
Speaker 4: don't let.
Speaker 2: Him get on the team with a real like that
Speaker 2: say adventurer. They don't use the ability to get over. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's gonna turn into a beast like he would be
Speaker 2: one of them guys that blew him like a and
Speaker 2: then he.
Speaker 4: All saw a different body type. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: we don't really good body type. That's a good one
Speaker 4: right there. Like no, I agree with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I do like that. Hey listen, I agree with Jay
Speaker 2: on that one right there.
Speaker 1: All right. And just to guy Jason, I just he
Speaker 1: just walked out and now hater Jason's here, hate, I.
Speaker 2: Don't spun way of the hate.
Speaker 5: It's amazing that there can be hate coming up on
Speaker 5: the draft.
Speaker 2: It's a time of hope. But it doesn't matter. There's
Speaker 2: some fans that just have hate on one of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most definitely you are guys.
Speaker 5: We just don't have enough draft picks to be effective
Speaker 5: in this draft.
Speaker 2: I'm upset we're not gonna get that much better. First
Speaker 2: of all, great teams in his league don't depend on
Speaker 2: draft picks. Great teams in his league don't go into
Speaker 2: the year worrying about draft in the first round and
Speaker 2: need him to store it. If you need your first
Speaker 2: round and to store you a mediocre team, we are
Speaker 2: going to play. Draft picks are icing on the cake.
Speaker 2: Maybe they play, maybe they don't. But on good teams,
Speaker 2: we don't depend on children. That's how we see it
Speaker 2: down South, Charing. We don't depend on cheering breach to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I do think it's something that a
Speaker 1: lot of teams would be concerned about. But I'm not
Speaker 1: concerned about it really because Adam Peters is our gym. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I look at last year he signed a
Speaker 1: bunch of udfas. Three of those guys made the team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know they made the active rosters, so there's other
Speaker 1: ways to get young talented players in the roster. And
Speaker 1: also if you're more selective with your five and hit
Speaker 1: on those five, Yeah, and make sure you identify what
Speaker 1: is the commander, which I think Adam's gonna do, like
Speaker 1: you increase the hit rate. Then, plus what you're the
Speaker 1: work you do in free agency. The stuff we did
Speaker 1: with the trades supplements the draft, right, works together, Right,
Speaker 1: It all works together, So it's not you can't just
Speaker 1: look at the picks as the variable because it's part
Speaker 1: of a larger landscape of how do we do with
Speaker 1: u DFAs, how do we do in free agency? Like
Speaker 1: what those picks went to bring in good players?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's no Laramie Tuns in this draft.
Speaker 2: So if we gave up the twenty ninth pick, we
Speaker 2: won Trent. Right, it's bigger than Nino Brown, is bigger
Speaker 2: than the draft.
Speaker 4: And they showed you in the free agency world, they
Speaker 4: went out there and got the best of the best. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when it came time to trade for those guys, they
Speaker 4: went up there and got some of the most available
Speaker 4: guys that we can get into trade. If Fred said
Speaker 4: the best and I hate saying that he said it best.
Speaker 4: But if you got to go in the draft like
Speaker 4: we did last year and bank on Jayden Dames to
Speaker 4: be out there and be the quarterback he was and
Speaker 4: hit because that was one of those guys you really
Speaker 4: see you not that we hit.
Speaker 1: We hit. We didn't.
Speaker 2: We didn't only hit with a quarterback when I.
Speaker 4: Right, don't fail me now, Hey, so you don't normally
Speaker 4: get those opportunities. And so if we had to do
Speaker 4: that twice we had to bank on hitting again this draft,
Speaker 4: then we're not a very good team. So that tells
Speaker 4: you where we drafted that that that were sitting in
Speaker 4: a great spot. That's why I like us sitting at
Speaker 4: twenty nine. It tells you that we had a great season.
Speaker 3: But it also tells you that we didn't even have
Speaker 3: to go up and get more.
Speaker 4: Guys because we have enough. We have enough guys to
Speaker 4: go out there and be competitive. Now we just want
Speaker 4: to add to to those guys in this draft.
Speaker 1: Has some young talent, I mean, hater, does that make
Speaker 1: you feel better? Man? No? No, no.
Speaker 5: While we have too many needs on this team in
Speaker 5: too many positions to be able to draft best player available,
Speaker 5: everyone says that, but we just don't have the ability
Speaker 5: to do it. We're not good enough yet.
Speaker 1: So I've heard this before too, who like what like,
Speaker 1: what's the biggest need on the team.
Speaker 2: Everybody loved to say past Russia and wide receiver. Then
Speaker 2: they throw Coney in that. Let me tell y'all something,
Speaker 2: sick individuals, Huh, this is not the way things go.
Speaker 2: But the reason we can go best play available is
Speaker 2: because of what we did in trade scenarios. We needed
Speaker 2: another receiver to pair with Terry. We got that player
Speaker 2: in Deebo Samuels. We needed a left star warts left tackle,
Speaker 2: which these guys don't come free, all right. So the
Speaker 2: football guys gave us love for what we did for
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers with Trent Wihibs, so they give
Speaker 2: us Larrymy Tomsel. So now we don't have to get
Speaker 2: these guys in the draft because if we just had
Speaker 2: to depend on a left tackle in this draft to
Speaker 2: come be Laramie Tompson, it wasn't happening, right. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's a Deebo Samuels in this draft either. So
Speaker 2: to get Jonathan Jones, to get wise, to get these
Speaker 2: guys that been there and done that, we just stacked
Speaker 2: the roster with depth that we can't find in a draft,
Speaker 2: depth that we can trust. This is what I get
Speaker 2: with free agents. That's what I get with trades. Guys,
Speaker 2: been there, done that depth with trust.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna drop the mic for him.
Speaker 2: But I don't need to tell you nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's exactly right. I don't think. I think
Speaker 1: when you look at the roster, I don't see a
Speaker 1: spot where you like, I have to get this guy.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes you look at teams like they need a
Speaker 1: tight end, they need this, they need that. Like this
Speaker 1: is the thing I think fans of our time with.
Speaker 1: Did we sign the most exciting names in free agency? No? No,
Speaker 1: But did we sign guys that I've watched, that Fred's watched,
Speaker 1: as Tantana's watch, that are above average football players? Yes,
Speaker 1: they're going to make this team better. Yes. Have they
Speaker 1: added depth? Yes? Do we want to get younger and
Speaker 1: more talented, Absolutely, But that's what the drafts for and
Speaker 1: that's where best player available comes in, right Yeah, Because
Speaker 1: like I don't need it. I don't need to draft
Speaker 1: an offensive line. I don't need to draft a defensive end.
Speaker 1: I don't need to draft a corner because of some
Speaker 1: of these additions. If we do riting depth and creating
Speaker 1: more talent, I think that's what that means.
Speaker 2: And also I want to encourage y'all don't always go
Speaker 2: for the new shiny toy. We still got guys like
Speaker 2: Taylor Owens on this team that want a job. We
Speaker 2: still get We got Hampton. People forget about Hampton. We
Speaker 2: got the Meptiste. He's coming into his Give these guys
Speaker 2: a chance to show you I got Bible.
Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, and so I think this is what every
Speaker 1: team goes So I think every fan base goes through
Speaker 1: a version of this. It's like, yeah, you want everyone
Speaker 1: wants Miles Garrett, Like you know, shoot, I want Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1: When you look around the landscape of the NFL, not
Speaker 1: every team is constructed that way.
Speaker 2: But also they want to sweat from the Eagles and
Speaker 2: pay him savent to media. So now you can reach
Speaker 2: free agency? Is reaching overpaying reaching? It's a contest.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if we don't draft insert prospect here, then we
Speaker 5: lose the draft.
Speaker 2: We have to get this guy at all costs.
Speaker 5: He's a blue tripper and if you don't go after him,
Speaker 5: then what are we even doing?
Speaker 1: What pleay do we insert here. I hate this take
Speaker 1: when I see this on I's crazy I created because
Speaker 1: it shows me you haven't watched watch enough, right, Like
Speaker 1: because if you're like, who would you plant your flag
Speaker 1: for in this year's draft class, like that that you're saying,
Speaker 1: this player is guaranteed, guaranteed and definitively better.
Speaker 2: Know nobody outside the top team.
Speaker 1: Now he go.
Speaker 2: The thing they gonna say, everybody wants an edge. Everybody
Speaker 2: wants an edge. If I hit edge one more time,
Speaker 2: I'm about to lose it. Edge edge edge edge. Now
Speaker 2: the edge they'll say right now is if Mike Green
Speaker 2: slide to it, we got to get him, all right,
Speaker 2: If James P. Junior slides and we got to get
Speaker 2: I think because they so edge hungry, and these guys
Speaker 2: actually might be there when we pick it. I think
Speaker 2: those the two that the fan base would lose it
Speaker 2: over if we just say they're there and then we
Speaker 2: trade that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again like it's I just look at like
Speaker 1: edge is a fine example. We can talk about them,
Speaker 1: like obviously there's Abdil Carter, who's a different tier, but
Speaker 1: then you get into like tier three, tier four, and
Speaker 1: it's marginal. Man, it's the difference between Landon Jackson and
Speaker 1: a Mecan Buca or Alanta Jackson, Smart Stewart, yeah, or
Speaker 1: Nick Gordon and you know the kid from Georgia, Michael Williams. Williams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's marginal, right, there's there's blemishes with all these guys.
Speaker 1: So when I hear fans make this you have to
Speaker 1: get this player, it's like you haven't watched enough film.
Speaker 1: It's really what it points down to me. It's like
Speaker 1: because you would know that this that's not how this works.
Speaker 1: That's not necessary in this year's draft. And and and
Speaker 1: of all the years I've covered the draft, this is
Speaker 1: the one year where it feels like this is it's
Speaker 1: the least true, right, it's the least true.
Speaker 2: And this is gonna say what you don't want to
Speaker 2: say is a draft specials. This is the most unsure
Speaker 2: year of draft speculation of all time. People are unsure
Speaker 2: about the quarterbacks top the bottom. They unsure about the
Speaker 2: wide receivers top the bottom. They unsure about the left
Speaker 2: tackles and right tackles top the bottom. The only positions
Speaker 2: that they say no, it's some gas in this draft
Speaker 2: is running back indeed tackle by the too draft I
Speaker 2: mean position, they're saying, oh, it's some dogs in here,
Speaker 2: even in that corner. They're saying at the top forty,
Speaker 2: you know, picks. But after that they feel like it's
Speaker 2: none there.
Speaker 1: With tight end too, everyone's like at the deep ten
Speaker 1: end class. I'm like, after you get after the top
Speaker 1: three four guys.
Speaker 4: Just just you guys talking about the fans and just
Speaker 4: that question when that question popped that when I first
Speaker 4: saw the run down, the first thing I popped in
Speaker 4: my mind.
Speaker 2: I had no player in mind.
Speaker 4: I said, if you don't draft a fan pleaser, you drift,
Speaker 4: Because that's.
Speaker 2: What it's about.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I watched the pill of the for Eagles boot Donovan
Speaker 4: McNabb off the stage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he took them to four NFC championship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, back to back to back them they're back to
Speaker 4: back to back. So it's to me, it's all about
Speaker 4: the fan pleasers. If the fans not pleased with the
Speaker 4: guys you and I watched.
Speaker 2: I watched the Jet fans cheer when they drafted Zach Will.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So that's how I look at it. I'm not putting
Speaker 4: the player. It's all about pleasing the fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean dropped my to please the fans
Speaker 1: in April.
Speaker 2: I want to please them in late decembl January, in February.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's one hundred percent right. So is
Speaker 1: uh hater?
Speaker 2: Do you do?
Speaker 1: You feel good about that? You feel better?
Speaker 5: I feel great, guys. I have a little draft anxiety
Speaker 5: just because we're getting up there and there's a lot
Speaker 5: going on and a lot rides on this because you're invested,
Speaker 5: right team, invested in the success. I want him to
Speaker 5: do well. I want every pick to hit. Of course
Speaker 5: that doesn't happen, but I wish it could.
Speaker 2: I just say hashtag fans, don't forget about last year's pick.
Speaker 2: We see we turned the paid so quick. Now we
Speaker 2: got some dude that's Marinate getting ready right now? Like
Speaker 2: they say Edge and I'm saying, Jean Baptiste. Did you
Speaker 2: see him getting into games last year?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: So quick? Think about it?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: My rookie year, we had an undrafted free agent? All right? Now,
Speaker 2: I know who I'm talking about. No, you don't, do
Speaker 2: you know what he's talking about? Your rookie year, Antonio Peers.
Speaker 2: I forgot about Peers was to die. He was in
Speaker 2: our club, Yes, Antonio Piers. If they was quick to
Speaker 2: turn the page in on Tonio, he don't become a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl winning champion at the Giants and playing here
Speaker 2: on two number one defenses, if you were just quick
Speaker 2: to turn the page to the next year's draft, all
Speaker 2: I'm saying is sometime we got some players that didn't
Speaker 2: show up their first year, didn't even probably get a chance. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's gonna get a chance this year. Dominique Hampton, nobody's
Speaker 2: talking about him. I'm more hyped up about Tyler Owins
Speaker 2: than anybody. I think he's a legit staring safety in
Speaker 2: this league and if he get a chance, he can
Speaker 2: show people that. That's all I'm saying. Don't forget about
Speaker 2: the old people on the roster.
Speaker 1: But no, I think that's a great point. And obviously
Speaker 1: you can tell we're really excited about the draft this year.
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Speaker 2: We'll see you at the National highb on Saturday too,
Speaker 2: to really celebrate.
Speaker 1: We is going there, There we go, he said, So
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