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Speaker 1: Welcome back to cutting the distance. Today's guest is a

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Speaker 1: lifelong Washington resident. My buddy, Jeff Roberts, grew up hunting

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Speaker 1: in eastern Washington. Meal Deer is a traditional wall tank

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Speaker 1: camp with his dad and uncles. Success was low, but

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Speaker 1: morale was high and memories were plentiful. If first hunting

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Speaker 1: was just something like many of us, he did in October,

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Speaker 1: but rapidly turned into year long obsession. In twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: he started P and Wild to share his adventures with

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Speaker 1: everybody else. Today, P and Wild is a successful small

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Speaker 1: business providing professional imagery and videography, as well as running

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Speaker 1: a podcast and YouTube channel dedicated to showcasing not only

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Speaker 1: the beauty of Washington State, but all other Western states

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Speaker 1: where we can pursue big game. Washington State hosts an

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Speaker 1: amazing fall bear season, allowing hunters to harvest two bears

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Speaker 1: statewide beginning August first. Over the years, fall bear hunting

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Speaker 1: has become a top priority for him in P and Wild,

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Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty two, last year, the three members

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Speaker 1: of P and Wild harvested seven bears, one being in Montana,

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Speaker 1: six in Washington. And I know they help friends and

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Speaker 1: family with many more so, I figured there wasn't a

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Speaker 1: fall Bear season right in the middle of it, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Are you chomping at the bit you

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Speaker 1: have to get out there? I know we've started to

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Speaker 1: it seems like it's going pretty good right off the bat.

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Speaker 2: It is, man, I'm actually kind of learning to love

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Speaker 2: the opener rather than just kind of waiting for it,

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Speaker 2: you know, getting into September when a lot of people

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Speaker 2: think it gets better, which it does, but the opener

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Speaker 2: can be really good. But yeah, I went out last

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Speaker 2: decent buck. So that's always fun to just get outside

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Speaker 2: and have a tag in your pocket. Just feels good

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Speaker 2: to be out there. And it's August first, is a

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Speaker 2: pretty early opener around the West. I think we're one

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Speaker 2: of the ones that kick it off, really, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's good. I'm super excited to get rolling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is one of those weird years where I

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Speaker 1: don't I'm not going to pretend to know, you know,

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Speaker 1: usually you get the bad winter, Like we had a

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Speaker 1: like speed the berries up or they And it's always

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting to see, are you gonna miss, you know,

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Speaker 1: have like a bad barrier year, you know, at least

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Speaker 1: even here where we're picking up huckleberries or BlackBerry bears,

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Speaker 1: like where the berrys at? And are they gonna come

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Speaker 1: So we're trying to sit and wait that out. And

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Speaker 1: what are your buddies seeing right now? Are they are

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Speaker 1: their berries low? Are they still late?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I'm right there with you, man. I was

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Speaker 2: this whole off season in July, just get leading into it.

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Speaker 2: I was super concerned that we were going to have

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Speaker 2: what we were kind of fearing. Mid July, Zach and

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Speaker 2: I went on a scouting trip and we were finding

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Speaker 2: with maybe on on our normal year. Last year, it

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Speaker 2: definitely it's past that, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna dive a lot deeper into the food

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Speaker 1: were as we got to know each other, you were able.

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Speaker 1: I think we first kind of met up. You came

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Speaker 1: a booth. I think two years came down.

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Speaker 1: But the original time we met, I think maybe you

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Speaker 1: real vividly on a Sunday morning, I'm like, oh, Jeff

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Speaker 2: Great Yeah, it was great Washington, one of those the

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Speaker 2: bigger bowls that we've scouted. So I was super excited.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember if I told you the truth then,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the year that I drew my my

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Speaker 2: Quality east Side Archery tag and U super excited about it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, like you said, grew up meal deer hunting

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Speaker 2: but you did. And then I got a tip from you, like, hey,

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Speaker 2: and sure enough it turned up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that hunt. That hunt was a good one.

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Speaker 1: If you guys want to go check it out. I

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Speaker 1: think it's one of the original p and Wild videos,

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Speaker 1: So go check that out. But like every Cutting the

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Speaker 1: Distance podcast, we're going to start this thing with listener questions.

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Speaker 1: for you. So we got three questions today I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is this is something that is a

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Speaker 2: I rug something out. And again I'm not a tax

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Speaker 2: nermous I'm not you know, some professional. We just do it,

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Speaker 2: Jason can see. Those are both of our soft hands

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Speaker 2: from last year. Both of them are beautiful chocolates. So

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Speaker 2: these taken care of. But I think it's especially for me.

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Speaker 2: priorities that we really prioritize. Prioritize number one is just

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Speaker 2: And so this is exactly the process that I did

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Speaker 2: And if you don't know there's a food source in

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Rolling into our last question, shot placement on

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Speaker 1: a barrier, And this is one of those topics that

433
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Speaker 1: as I get questions from guys, you know, as we

434
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Speaker 1: just it is August second, so our season just started yesterday.

435
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Speaker 1: But a lot of questions like where do you shoot

436
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,320
Speaker 1: a bear? You know, or guys arguing with their hunting

437
00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,359
Speaker 1: buddies where you know, a lot of this new stuff

438
00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,760
Speaker 1: has come out where to shoot a bear? And so

439
00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,960
Speaker 1: I'll let you explain and all kind of see what

440
00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,119
Speaker 1: we if we match up there? Where are you going

441
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Speaker 1: to shoot a bear?

442
00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,320
Speaker 2: Jeff? Well this, I mean debated this, and everyone's got

443
00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,280
Speaker 2: a different answer. Middle of middle. I'm a little forward

444
00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,480
Speaker 2: of middle of middle, especially on a perfectly broadside like

445
00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,920
Speaker 2: I have an awesome video last year on our last

446
00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,040
Speaker 2: last episode on our YouTube channel from last fall, I

447
00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,600
Speaker 2: just got a beautiful bear in like picture perfect alpine meadows,

448
00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,679
Speaker 2: just wide open, and I just wait for ended up

449
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,600
Speaker 2: being a sow. She turned completely broadside and you can

450
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Speaker 2: see that I just aimed slightly forward of middle of

451
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,119
Speaker 2: middle and it was lights out in you know, thirty seconds.

452
00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,359
Speaker 2: So you can't really argue with that. Some people do

453
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,880
Speaker 2: have the argument of you know, shoulders shooting them if

454
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Speaker 2: and so this anchorm right there. You hear that on

455
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Speaker 2: forums and stuff, and it's it works for people. Everyone.

456
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Speaker 2: There's a nine ways of skin a cat. I guess

457
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,600
Speaker 2: where are you sitting? Are you? Middle middle guy?

458
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm I'm middle middle, just slightly forward of middle.

459
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's hard to say, you when you're

460
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Speaker 1: shooting at a bear to push it three inches forward,

461
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Speaker 1: But so I always imagine you take the heads in

462
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Speaker 1: the leg, you know, off of a bear, and you're

463
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Speaker 1: left with what's a body. So if you just you know,

464
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Speaker 1: for those of you that don't know what we're saying

465
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Speaker 1: by middle of middle, if you just draw a line,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, halfway up horizontally and halfway up vertically and

467
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Speaker 1: set your crossaters there and then just go a little

468
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Speaker 1: bit towards the front front end of him, like that's

469
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Speaker 1: where we're shooting.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

471
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Speaker 1: I there are guys that will kill bears by shooting

472
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Speaker 1: them like deer and elk. You know they're going bottom third,

473
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Speaker 1: bottom quarter and then going slightly behind the shoulder or

474
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Speaker 1: through the shoulder. It will work, and it's killed bears.

475
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Speaker 1: But I also think that more bears are lost due

476
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Speaker 1: to that shot placement versus more conservative go you know,

477
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Speaker 1: go up to that middle of middle, give yourself a

478
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 1: bigger target, and the bear's going to die really really

479
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,840
Speaker 1: quick when you hit him in the in that spot.

480
00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 1: You know their their lungs are back a little bit

481
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Speaker 1: further than most you know, compared to our deer and

482
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Speaker 1: elk that that most people hunt. Yeah, so it's it's

483
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Speaker 1: it's a more conservative shot. You got more room for air,

484
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 1: and the bear's going to die real quick versus trying

485
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Speaker 1: to break them down to the front shoulders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. It does feel weird when you got

487
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Speaker 2: crosshairs and you're kind of this like it feels like

488
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,920
Speaker 2: you're aiming too far back. But like angulit's like you're

489
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Speaker 2: saying dark deer and elk, they're just their anatomy is different,

490
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 2: so that the bears just tend to sit back a

491
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Speaker 2: little bit farther, and it does feel weird. But middle middle,

492
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Speaker 2: slightly forward. It that's a that's a great way to

493
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Speaker 2: look at it.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, once again, if you guys have

495
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Speaker 1: questions for me or my guests, make sure to email

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Speaker 1: them to us at CTD at Phelps game Calls dot com,

497
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,959
Speaker 1: or send us a social message and we'll do our

498
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Speaker 1: best to get them on here for the guests. So

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Speaker 1: now we're going to jump into our discussion. Jeff, you know,

500
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Speaker 1: we come from a state where we no longer get

501
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Speaker 1: the hunt bears in the spring, which was one of

502
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Speaker 1: my favorite favorite types of hunting, and it gets a

503
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Speaker 1: lot of attention. But rightfully so, right spring bear there

504
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 1: in the whole lot of else going on aside from turkeys.

505
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: A lot of big game hunters despise turkeys for some reason.

506
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: I love it. But you know, it was that first

507
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: time too, man, it was that first time to get

508
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 1: back in the mountains kind of chase the snow up

509
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 1: those bears are, you know, and but but we don't

510
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Speaker 1: have that anymore. So here in Washington. We've got a

511
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: great bear population and our fall hunt is pretty dang

512
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Speaker 1: good as well. Not to mention these bears have put

513
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: on an extra sixty eighty pounds since the spring. There

514
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 1: a little bigger, a little tastier, a little more fat.

515
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: So we've we have to love fall bears season. As

516
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Speaker 1: we mentioned, it's a great state. Like I would never

517
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Speaker 1: recommend anybody come here for dear elk, but if you're

518
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Speaker 1: just looking for a fall bear hunt in August to

519
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 1: get ahead of big game, like I apologize for our

520
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: pricing for non residents, but it's it can be a

521
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 1: pretty it can be a pretty dang good hunt to

522
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: come here. And we would really appreciate if you helped

523
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 1: us out with all of our bears.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent agree with you, man, I can't recommend

525
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: it enough. We've had a couple of friends and partners

526
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 2: from other states come out to Washington to hunt with

527
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 2: us and been successful so far. I mean, I don't

528
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 2: think it's actually too terribly bad. I think a non

529
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: resonant bear is like two hundred and eighty bucks or

530
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: something like that if I remember correctly. I apologize if

531
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 2: it's if I'm way off on that, but I think

532
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 2: it's in the two to three hundred ballpark there, gotcha.

533
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not bad at all. So let's jump in.

534
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Speaker 1: We'll kind of start this start to finish. So scouting,

535
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Speaker 1: do you do any scouting for fall Bear or are

536
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: you just going back to your your existing spots year

537
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Speaker 1: after year.

538
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: So this year actually with with Sack drawing another ELK tag,

539
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 2: we haven't been doing the scouting that we usually do

540
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 2: for fall Bear. But yes, a on a I'll say,

541
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Speaker 2: a quote unquote normal year for us where we don't

542
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 2: have a priority ELK tag that you know takes nineteen

543
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: points to draw, where our kind of efforts have been

544
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: down there scouting for that, hanging cameras and doing that.

545
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 2: But on a more normal year, yes, we're in the

546
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 2: field scouting and we're not really necessarily looking for bears,

547
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 2: although that's going to be you know, a great bonus

548
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: if you do find one. We're kind of just keeping

549
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: our finger on the pulse of the berries, what's going on,

550
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: where the elevation is, and we're kind of planning out

551
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: the fall because we've wanted our you know, our local

552
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 2: spots or our favorite spots for a decade over a

553
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: decade now, and we kind of know what to look

554
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: for at certain times of the year. You hit these

555
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: milestones of you know, I got pictures on my phones

556
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: of you know, the basins that we like to hunt

557
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: and their snow depth as the as the spring and

558
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: summer kind of you know, progressed and we're getting closer

559
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 2: to fall and and it's kind of like a stopwatch

560
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: after that snow in those high on those high basins

561
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 2: is completely melted off and you're getting the sunlight onto soil.

562
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: It's a stopwatch and we like to say sixty days

563
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: and it's it's right there on on on. Let's just

564
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 2: say an average year, maybe not accelerated drought or some

565
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: kind of crazy rainfall. On a normal year where're just

566
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: getting kind of normal weather, it's about sixty days and

567
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: from that snow melting off and getting sunlight on soil,

568
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: you can you know, pretty much guarantee that sixty days

569
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: from then you're gonna have huckleberries starting to become ripe.

570
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: And it's worked out in the past for us. So

571
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 2: let's say June first, you got hook or you got

572
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: sunlight on soil. You can say that August first around,

573
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: then give or take a week or so, you're gonna

574
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 2: have right berries, and then that'll work on for you

575
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: know that higher country stuff where you know July first,

576
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 2: so that pushes you out to that labor day window

577
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: and time and time and time. Again we've been able

578
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Speaker 2: to prove this, if you will, where that it kind

579
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 2: of it works out more times than not. So scouting absolutely,

580
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: keep your eye on weather, keep your eye on the

581
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: berry sources, keep your eye on basins. And obviously, like

582
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 2: we got to a road last time last year, we

583
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: got to a road and our main in and out

584
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: road was closed due to a landslide, so you might

585
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: not know that when you get there August first ready

586
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: to go for a hunt, and you can't get there.

587
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: So now you got an audible right, So it always

588
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: is going to benefit to keep your finger on the

589
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: pulse and get in your area, keep glass on the hills,

590
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 2: and kind of keep your eye on the berries too.

591
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 2: That's a huge thing. So then you know that, you know, okay,

592
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 2: I need to be at you know, forty one for

593
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: open or not twenty six. This is a huge swing

594
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Speaker 2: from last year. We're two thousand feet above. And I'm

595
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: not speaking for everyone in Washington State, so don't hang

596
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 2: me out to dry if it's not if I'm talking

597
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: about areas that don't kind of add up to you,

598
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: but in our areas, the Northern Cascades were way different

599
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: from last year. We're way above what we were last

600
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Speaker 2: year for berry ripe and and that's why I think

601
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: it's very important that you should be out in the

602
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 2: field as much as you can.

603
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And like you mentioned, you know, he's talking

604
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: Northern Cascades. I'm in kind of the Central Cascades. But

605
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: I think the important thing to take away is use

606
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: data and start to develop a plan. Like you know,

607
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: these guys have been doing it enough where they know

608
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: sixty days, and you know, so they if they if

609
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: they're paying attention to the snow line, they're going to

610
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: have a pretty good idea where those bears are going

611
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: to be once August first gets here. And then once

612
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: they're out in the field, they can kind of, you know,

613
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: keep track of them and keep track of how they

614
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: move and how the bearers are moving up. And like

615
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Speaker 1: I say, if you're being a smart hunter, you're also

616
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: going to be able to see where the berries are

617
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: moving just as you're on the ground or as you're

618
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: trying to eat the berry path, you know, eat the

619
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: berries as you go, like you're at the right elevation

620
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,239
Speaker 1: when you're trying to eat the berries. So I do

621
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Speaker 1: want to touch on e scouting, but I'm gonna save

622
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: that a little bit later in the podcast when we

623
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: talk about train and elevation and whatnot. So eat scouting

624
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: is a very important part, especially you know, I think

625
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: for bear hunters to look for some things, but we'll

626
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: separate that from scouting. It relates a little more to

627
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: terrain and and what you're looking for for you know,

628
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: finding food sources and whatnot. Do you find that the

629
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Speaker 1: bears that you guys are hunting travel a long distance

630
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: or are they just going up and down the mountain?

631
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: Are they are they pushing out of an area to

632
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: get back or are you are you guys do you

633
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: believe they're just going up and down a drain. It's

634
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,959
Speaker 1: almost like say a migrating deer from where they're danning

635
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: in the spring, you know, if they come out in

636
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: April May. What's your opinion on where these bears are

637
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: traveling by the time the fall season gets here. Is

638
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,239
Speaker 1: there a way to scout in me around? Are they

639
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: just kind of hanging out in an area eating you know,

640
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: the cadmium layer on for trees and eating the brush

641
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: that they do that the new fresh grasses kind of

642
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: what's your opinion on travel or is it Do you

643
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: guys even try to pay attention to any of that?

644
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, And I racked my brain a lot of

645
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: the times trying to figure that out because and let's

646
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 2: just say Labor day, that's like our peak timing for

647
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: fall bear. I think everything is primarily ripe up an

648
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: alpine And that's just, in my opinion, the funnest time

649
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: to hunt them, because they're way exposed, they're way up

650
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: in the alpine on berries, and they're very stationary. They're

651
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: going to be sitting there. Like last year, I shot

652
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: my last beer this season, my second bear of this season,

653
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: at like one fifteen in the afternoon, and you could

654
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: see that bear for she didn't she couldn't get away

655
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: from you know, a mile and a half in each basin.

656
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: She's in the wide open, very little cover. So it's

657
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: very fun. You know, they're they're very exposed. They're out

658
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: in the wide open, you know, kind of making themselves

659
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: pretty vulnerable. So anyways, that's at seventy two hundred feet

660
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: pretty high, sixty eight to seventy two, And you got

661
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: to wonder where did this thing travel from? You know,

662
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: where did you where do you den? Obviously down in

663
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: the valley somewhere, but maybe not. Maybe they do stay

664
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: up high those you know all I don't know if

665
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: they're like old gnarly mule deer bucks that just don't

666
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: want to come down, or but yes, I try to

667
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: figure that out. And I know for a fact that

668
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: they're going to have to come down because it's just

669
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: it's just too high up there. The food source is

670
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: just so rare up there. And then at their springtime

671
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: they're going to be half they're going to need to

672
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: come down and find a food source in the early spring.

673
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: And I have found bears in some of our higher

674
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: basins in that later springtime, so like early June, you know,

675
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: you're driving through and you whip the glass out and

676
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: you're checking out a basin and you're like, whoa, there's

677
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: a there's a bear up there eating that really lush

678
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: green grass. You know, at you know, sixty two hundred

679
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: feet in June fifth or something. But yeah, I don't

680
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: really have a finger on the pulse as far as

681
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: they're they're traveling goes, but it is something that's very

682
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: curious to me. Where do they go, What are they

683
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: doing in that time where they're not really exposed up

684
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: in the alpine, and then in their early August, early

685
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: August early I guess it's gonna be late summer early August.

686
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: Then they all start coming out. They'll start they'll start

687
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: at that thirty two hundred feet elevation is really kind

688
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: of the elevation I start at in the Northern Cascades

689
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: on the eastern slope, and you kind of work your

690
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: way up so you can hunt creek bottoms in August first,

691
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: and then as the fall progresses. As we get into fall,

692
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: you know you're going to find them at seven thousan

693
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: seventy two something like that. I shot at a bear

694
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: last year at like seventy three. So they're going to

695
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: go to the top where that food source carries them.

696
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: So they're just going to go wherever that food source

697
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: is going. So you're going to start early August down

698
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: in the creek bottoms is kind of the vegetation is

699
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: ripened down there, and they're just really going to go

700
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: with it. They're just going to travel that water line,

701
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: if you will, up to the top when that food

702
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: source is. As long as that food source is lasting,

703
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: they're going to be on them.

704
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know there's been some studies where bears

705
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: will move, you know, thirty plus miles just in the fall.

706
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: So like we're talking late July and you just to

707
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: find the berries or find the right food source. And

708
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: there's a local guy here, you know, Capital Forest up

709
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: up just southwest of Olympia. He killed a bear just

710
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: out my back door that was collared in Capital Forest

711
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: and then got killed in almost pel Washington. So you know,

712
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: we're talking fifty miles as a crow flies real old

713
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember, that's thirteen or sixteen year old bear,

714
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: really really old bear. But yeah, they it just they

715
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: will travel a long long ways, either looking for you know,

716
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: during the route, looking for sALS or looking for the

717
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: right food source. And it kind of kind of snapped

718
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: my mind a little bit that that a bear let

719
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: go there. I wouldn't believe it if it wasn't collared

720
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: that you know, it travels fifty miles as a crow

721
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: flies to it, you know, from Capitol Hill to Willipa Hills.

722
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: Here.

723
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: It just seemed like a long waist for those bears ago.

724
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't really surprise me, but I mean,

725
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: on the other hand, it kind of does like that

726
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 2: there's got to be food sources for him and they

727
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: don't need to travel that much. But like you said,

728
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: it could be the rut for them, or it could

729
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: just be food even you never know.

730
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, and then there we did. We're not going

731
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: to talk a whole lot about it, but there's like

732
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: the the you know, alpha boor or whatever you want

733
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: it like, just getting kicked out or displaced out of

734
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: his area. And and one thing that uh, you know,

735
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: talking to some some bear hunters that have a lot

736
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: more experience than I do, at it is there are

737
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: prime spots on the landscape right that that big, big

738
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: mature bears, bores they like to have the easy pickens,

739
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: and they're gonna take over that spot as soon as

740
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: they're their pedigree or there there, you know, their their

741
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: names on the pecking order. At a high enough place,

742
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna kick all those other boars out. And so

743
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: it sounds like on a lot of these spots you

744
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: can go back almost yearly, you know, as long as

745
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: you gonna shoot out in an entire area and find

746
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: those biggest bores and similar spots.

747
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: Here after year. Absolutely, man, I have a pretty funny

748
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: story about this exact situation. So last year a buddy

749
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: of mine, Chris McCollum, was watching this just absolute slob

750
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: of a bear in a high alpine meadow and they're

751
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: trying to make a move on him. Get up in

752
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: there to that exact meadow, and they watch this bear

753
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: go up in over cliffs and I'm talking like mountain

754
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: goat country type of cliffs kind of watch them go

755
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: up and over and they're sitting on him hoping he's

756
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: gonna come back down in the evening, come down on

757
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: those cliffs and onto that food source, because he was

758
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: on a really really ripe, just amazing huckleberry field. And

759
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: then two or three hours after that big jet black

760
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: bear went up and over, a little tiny chocolate comes

761
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: out of the trees and starts feeding in his meadow.

762
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: So exactly back to that kind of alpha boar or

763
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: something like that, where they kind of command their respect

764
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: to the other bears when they're there and they're feeding,

765
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: that's their spot. And then after he went up and out,

766
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: you know like, oh, I'm kind of full, I'm gonna

767
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: go take a nap, you know, midday after he left,

768
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: a couple hours later, here comes this tinier, lone boar,

769
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: you know, two three hours later and just takes his

770
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: little berry patch. So it is funny to watch that

771
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: kind of interact and kind of think about that and bears.

772
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: How many times have you seen, you know, multiple bears

773
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: in the same meadow and within a couple of days.

774
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot. You know, when I had you know,

775
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: a good spot up here where we had multiple bears.

776
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: They it's almost like they gravitate towards each other, and

777
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: that's where like, if you find a bear, there's typically

778
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: going to be more around there, even in the fall,

779
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, springtime, especially when they're running. But it just

780
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: seems like our good clearcuts are bigger clearcuts that are

781
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: at that right age, you know, six to twelve years old,

782
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: not typically your fresh clear cuts. You're gonna have multiple

783
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: bears all in that same general area. Now they might

784
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: hang out on opposite sides, they don't want to be

785
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: around each other, but yeah, multiple bears and similar spots.

786
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: Because once again we're going to talk about it here

787
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: in a little bit, it's really tied to the food

788
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: source in that area, the prime food source. They're all

789
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: trying to get a piece of that.

790
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: I absolutely agree, absolutely agree. I've seen it time and

791
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 2: time again where there's just multiple, multiple bears in the

792
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: same general area and they're kind of playing hot basin two.

793
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: But last year, in one of our premier spots that

794
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: we just kind of hold on that labor day, we

795
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: can do a you know, a ten mile loop and

796
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: I'm talking five in and then kind of five around.

797
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: We say, you know, ten plus bears, you know, and

798
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: that's counting cubs with soals and stuff. But that's a

799
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: lot of bears in the same ecosystem, and I think,

800
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: and there's got to be more too. I think we

801
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 2: saw thirteen in one day, just kind of doing our

802
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: ten mile loop, you know, out and around, just kind

803
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 2: of hopping basins. You're riding ridge lines and you're looking

804
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: this way, and you're glassing you know, miles and miles

805
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: and miles. But within a you know, five square mile

806
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: you know radius, seeing thirteen bears out in the wide

807
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: open and the alpine feeding on berries, you know, just

808
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: like you say, they kind of g gravitate towards each other.

809
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's necessarily because they want to

810
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 2: be around each other. I think it's just food sources.

811
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: Once there's a really really good food source in that area. Obviously,

812
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: this localized area that's five square miles, it has just

813
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: a ton of food sources, water source, cover everything that

814
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 2: bears need. And once you find that it's a really

815
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: you gotta hold it near and deer because that's that's

816
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: a really good spot. And then every year, you know,

817
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: year after year, we get back in there and we'll

818
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: harvest a couple of bears.

819
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll talk about wind here in a little bit.

820
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: But I think a bears nose and their keen sense

821
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: of smelling is so good like that you don't have

822
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: to They know exactly where the food's at. Right. Whether

823
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: they can get all because of a more mature bear

824
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: or whatnot is a different story. But they're gonna try

825
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: to eat on the fringe of that of that good

826
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: food source. So let's jump into That's a great segue

827
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: into this, because this is probably the most important topic

828
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: when it comes to fall bear hunting is food sources

829
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: and what elevation are you gonna hunt at? You know,

830
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: we talk about all this other stuff, but I would

831
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: say it's an accessory to this as far as finding

832
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: bears and figuring out how to kill them. Bears bears,

833
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: some of them have said to eat you know, fifteen

834
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: thousand calories a day and be on their feet, you know,

835
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: twenty hours a day to do so. You know, so

836
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: these bears are trying to fatten up. I've also heard

837
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: stats where they will eat quite a bit in the

838
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: spring and summer, but in the month of August alone,

839
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,959
Speaker 1: they may put on twenty percent of their body weight

840
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: in that one month of August, which correlates very timely

841
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: to the beerries usually popping, and so I kind of

842
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with all of that, but kind

843
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: of give me, let's roll all the way back to

844
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: let's say springtime. You know where they're food sources, grasses

845
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: and and you know, bark and you know, wild onions

846
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: or whatever may have in that area, whatever whatever's available,

847
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: some roots and yeah, yeah, whatever they can dig and

848
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: scrounge for. Versus we start to get into the fall,

849
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: like we were through through the beginning of the summer.

850
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: How does their food change and what food sources they

851
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: looking for? You know, berries are at the top, but

852
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: they are still looking and keying in on some other

853
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: stuff as well. But kind of walk through food sources

854
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: and elevation and you know we've we've touched on a

855
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: little bit, but the process to find them.

856
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just in my northern Cascades is kind of

857
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: where I spend majority of my time. But I've drawn

858
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: you know, I've been on several other spring bear hunts.

859
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: I think you and I both drew the same unit

860
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: the same year. So kind of bounce to a lot

861
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: of questions, you know, off each other back then what

862
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: you see and where you're at, you know, but going

863
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: back to just my experience in the spring, they're so

864
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: unpredictable and we would see, you know, upwards of fifteen

865
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: to twenty bears a day from one glassing knob. And

866
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 2: I went with a guy that I just really just

867
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: admired lot was Shane Vandergeese and he's in you know,

868
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: up in the north side of s Gadget County, Wakam County,

869
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: I think, and just wanted with him and learned from

870
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: him just on the spring bear thing, and they're so

871
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: unpredictable and they're just there's everything is so green in

872
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,479
Speaker 2: the spring, and I think the majority of the stuff

873
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: that we were watching was them just on grass and

874
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: then traveling these ridge tops, rolling rocks, eating grubs, eating

875
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: these bolsom roots, eating these wild onions, and then they're

876
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: just kind of cruising, kind of looking for We never

877
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: saw bears being you know, stationary, and that was kind

878
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 2: of more in the eastern side, and then we kind

879
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: of more moved towards in my experience where I've been

880
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 2: out scouting in the spring for mule deer and we're

881
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: talking early early June, late May, you know, Labor Day

882
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 2: or excuse me, Memorial Day is kind of when I

883
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: start scouting, you know, getting my lay of the land

884
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 2: and stuff, and we'll see bears at five thousand feet

885
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: in late May, early June, it's still snowing on us

886
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: and we're finding bears just kind of cruising country. I'm forgiving,

887
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: but I don't know exactly what they're eating that time

888
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: of year. It's just got to be you know, you

889
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: see their scat and it's just full of grass and

890
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: green stuff. And I'm sure they're doing the same thing

891
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 2: stumps and rolling rocks, neat and grubs. But I think

892
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: their primary target at that time in the spring kind

893
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: of moving into summer is is just kind of vegetation. Obviously,

894
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: they're omnivorous, so they're gonna be you know, if they

895
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: come across the fawn at that time. It's horribly sad

896
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 2: because we need to protect our mule deer, but of

897
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: course they're gonna you know, eat that as well. So

898
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: I think calling, I'm sure we're going to get into

899
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 2: this later, but calling, if you're spring bear, if you're

900
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: listening to this for spring bear help or advice or whatever,

901
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: calling is gonna be way more effective in my you know,

902
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: my scope here. Calling is more effective in the spring,

903
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: just because they're so opportunistic and they're coming out and

904
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: they're lethargic if you will, Laura Smith, and they're just

905
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: so dangerous, you know, vulnerable. You're gonna be more effective

906
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: in that springtime as you move into the fall time,

907
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: where I kind of spend more time in the woods,

908
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: just because our seasons are more Washington State, we don't

909
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 2: have a springtime anymore, so I have way more experience

910
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: in the fall. It is so much onto the berries

911
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: as primarily as I can say, like I've called it

912
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: a bear, I'm just trying to get him to stand up,

913
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: and alls I needed to do was stand up. It's

914
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: on one of our films and I used one of

915
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: your distress calls and try to get this bear to

916
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: stand up, and he just wouldn't do it. Just lift

917
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: his head up and look at me. I just need

918
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: him stand up so I could shoot him, and just

919
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it. So that just tells me that their

920
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: primary focus is not really on they've kind of switched

921
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: out of that opportunistic If I, you know, find a

922
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: distressed ane, I'm going to run and chase it down.

923
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: I need the calories now when they're on a food

924
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: source in that fall time, that late summer like we

925
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 2: are right now August September. If they're on a food source,

926
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: that's really all they're going to care about. They're just

927
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: going to suck up those berries. And like you said,

928
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: I have personally harvested a bear that I have watched

929
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: in a meadow on a hillside for fourteen hours. It's

930
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: on film on our YouTube channel. I spot him right

931
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: at like five point forty five in the morning on

932
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: September eleventh, twenty twenty one. So I watched him, you know,

933
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: on that barry patch and now he's six miles away.

934
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: We make our way down there, set up camp, drop camp,

935
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: and then kind of get my stock on. And I

936
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: didn't shoot him until eight fifteen at night, So I

937
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: know that bear did not move. He's in the same

938
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: exact meadow unless there was a bait and switch in

939
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: the middle of my transition that I couldn't, you know,

940
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: keep an eye on that hillside. But there was a

941
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: bear in the same exact meadow that I was stalking on,

942
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: you know, fourteen fifteen hours later. So that's how food

943
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: driven these things are. Later in the fall, this was

944
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: September eleventh, So we're kind of getting into that phase

945
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: of the year where they're really trying to pack it on.

946
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: Like you said, they're eating fifteen thousand calories in a day,

947
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: and that bear, I could guarantee you he was pushing

948
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: that number and he was on his feet for twenty

949
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: hours a day, completely exposed wide open hillsides, just sucking

950
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 2: berries down. And I did a you know, fourteen fifteen

951
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: hour stock on him and was able to get over

952
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: there and get him killed. But with that being said,

953
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: that time of the year, I think it's just holistically

954
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: berries and that's in that country that I'm in. If

955
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: you it might not work in the area that you're

956
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: you're hunting, so it might not correlate all over Washington State.

957
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: You could have bears that are working salmon are you know,

958
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: kind of spawning you know, sakei or coho or you know,

959
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: pinks coming into the rivers that they do, and they

960
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: can be working on that. But as far as the

961
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: bears that we hunt and that we focused on, they're

962
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 2: just strictly berry bears at that time of the year,

963
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: working into that fall, and that's been my favorite time

964
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: of year to hunt them.

965
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: Yep. I like no, No, I like it for the

966
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: same reason as you do. Is those bears, once they

967
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: find that food, they're not going to leave a whole lot,

968
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: which is a blessing anachurse. Because we talked about earlier

969
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: glassing a little bit like man there, if they're in

970
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: a wrong spot or they've found berries where you can't

971
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: see them, you're not going to pick them up for

972
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: a while because they're not going to leave. And that's

973
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to touch on a little bit.

974
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you have those there. I've

975
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: always kind of categorized. We've got three different types of

976
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: berries here, like more in the Central Cascades. We've got

977
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: like the very low laying blueberries, which tastes more like

978
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: a real blueberry to me, but they're only about a

979
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: foot tall bush, not very tall. And then you got

980
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: your huckleberries that are maybe two to three feet tall.

981
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: And then we've actually got like blueberry trees is what

982
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: i'd call them. They got like this weird crushed velvet

983
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: type berry on them that are very good. Yeah, But

984
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: the one thing that I like when we do hunt

985
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: in the mountains is if I can get the when

986
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: those small short or blueberries are on, Like, that's my

987
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: favorite because those things can't hide from me if I'm

988
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: half in the glass and steeper and the steeper the better,

989
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: because that bear can't hide from me as well. But

990
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: if you start to get to like moderate slopes or

991
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: getting close to flatberry fields, like, it's very very tough

992
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: hide in, very very tough, and so like, you know,

993
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: those those short blueberries seem to hit just a little

994
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: bit later, more towards the end of August. But when

995
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: those are on, like that's very very easy bear hunting

996
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: because those things are a little more dense than huckleberries.

997
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: And so that's just one thing to keep in mind,

998
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: Like when those come on, like if you can prioritize

999
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: your hunt around those, like you may see more bears

1000
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: in the right area, or they may be more visible

1001
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: versus you know, and some of those patches of what

1002
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: I call blueberry trees, I honestly don't know what they are,

1003
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: but they're over the top of my head. Like, if

1004
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: bears get into those patches, you may never see them.

1005
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: But when you're on the ground or when you're on

1006
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: the trails, like you can see that there's obviously a

1007
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: lot of bear scat and bear sign and bear tracks

1008
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: around them. You just can't see into them when you're

1009
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: glassing across the canyon or whatnot.

1010
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you talking about the blueberry trees that you're

1011
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: talking Are they like creek bottom stuff you find a

1012
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: lot in the creek bottoms yea, in like bottom of

1013
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: burns bottoms a little. Well, you're talking about saskatoons and

1014
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: those are kind of what right now you should be on.

1015
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: But this year, like I was talking about on that

1016
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: particular trail that we hunted last year on remember the

1017
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: particular area that we hunted last year, the saskatoons right

1018
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: now are already gone and they can get you know,

1019
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: six to eight feet tall, droop and just be loaded

1020
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: with those blueberries. But there they look like a blueberry,

1021
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: but they're super tart, they're not nearly they're not a huggled,

1022
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: they're not blue.

1023
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: So the saskatoons are what usually find the grouse around, right,

1024
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: Like the grouse are usual to eat, So not a saskatoon.

1025
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: This is actually like a velvety like a blueberry. It's

1026
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: a light blue to start with, and if you like

1027
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: rub your thumb on it, it kind of turns to

1028
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: a dark blue. But where we're at, we've got yes,

1029
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: eight to ten foot. But yeah, those those bears love

1030
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: to kind of hang out in that they hit ripe

1031
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: about the same time as the rest of them, but

1032
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: they're they're more loaded up like in bunch berries, kind

1033
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: of like those saskatoons, and yep, yep, they'll sit on

1034
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: those things forever and not move, which drives me nuts.

1035
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: Versus it's like, all right, at least if you're sitting

1036
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: in one spot out in the small blueberries, you know

1037
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: your glass is a lot more effective, or you can

1038
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: turn them up. So do you find them on any

1039
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: other food source or is it ninety nine percent berries

1040
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: during the fall?

1041
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's ninety nine percent berries. And there's, like

1042
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: you're saying, where we're talking about right now, there's so

1043
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: many different types and species of berries that they kind

1044
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: of ripen at different times, they like different times of

1045
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: the year, and then as you move up elevations, that

1046
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: kind of causes ripeness to kind of be all over

1047
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: the place. And that's why you really just have to

1048
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: have your finger on the pulse. If you're you know,

1049
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: not going out all year long. You have no idea

1050
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: what's going on. You're completely disconnected to social media and

1051
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: forums and that. If you're just gonna take a person

1052
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: out to the woods and just be like, hey, go

1053
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: find a bear in August fifteenth, you're gonna have a

1054
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: little bit of trouble there because you don't know what's

1055
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: going on. You don't know where you need to be

1056
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: focusing on should I be high right now? Should I

1057
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: be low right now? Where do I need to focus

1058
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: my time and energy on. So I think it's a

1059
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: benefit to be out and kind of understand the ecosystems,

1060
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: learn the berries when they're going to kick off, keep

1061
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 2: your eye on the snow lines and elevation lines. You're

1062
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: just helping yourself out. You're keeping so many more tools

1063
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: in your toolbox. It's going to help you be successful.

1064
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: So even let's just say you don't have a big

1065
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: bear hunt planned until September first Labor Day weekend, you

1066
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: could still get out and kind of check berries, check

1067
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 2: snow lines, and glass. If you signed a bear, awesome,

1068
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: you know even better, you might even find a bear.

1069
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: Like last week and a buddy of mine, Austin, found

1070
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: a bear at you know, sixty four hundred feet and

1071
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 2: he was just on grass. The blueberries weren't right yet,

1072
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: the huckleberryes weren't right yet. He was just there on grass.

1073
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: Probably not going to stick around very long. Would be

1074
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: a very hard bear to stock and shoot. If that

1075
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: commute was going to be, you know, three plus hours long,

1076
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: he's going to be gone by then. But once you

1077
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: find them stationary on that food source, wh is huckleberries, blueberries,

1078
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: and there's all sorts of different species of blueberries, like

1079
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 2: you're talking about, and they're going to be kicking off

1080
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: at different times, you know, closer smaller to the ground,

1081
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: that snow is on them for a lot longer. If

1082
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: they're only six inches tall. And I know exactly what

1083
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: you're talking about. Those blueberries are the best. They're like,

1084
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: they taste the best, they're the sweetest. And just imagine

1085
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: if that snow is just on them for that much longer,

1086
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: because they're only six inches off the ground, that snowpack

1087
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: is going to be there until July at seventy two

1088
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: hundred feet maybe even you know, July fifteenth or something.

1089
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: And then as you move to that berry bush the

1090
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: Saskatoon that's eight feet tall, that's exposed by March, you know,

1091
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 2: so that causes ripeness to be all over the place.

1092
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. Now I food source is by far the

1093
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: most important, and it's pretty easy. You just have to

1094
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: figure out what elevation they're on, you know, I would

1095
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: say that one percent what I've seen in the fall

1096
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: is you know, more avalanche shoots, steep stuff they might

1097
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: be eating on, like the brush that's on the edge.

1098
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: But I would never focus my hunt on like avalanche

1099
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: shoots or stuff like that. Try to find a bear, like,

1100
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: You're better off figuring out the elevation of the berries.

1101
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: And one tip or tactic, whether they like it or not,

1102
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: is people that like the hike all of our mountain

1103
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: trails will do hiking reports. So let you know where

1104
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: they found berries and what point of the trail. And

1105
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, I can quickly jump on Northwest

1106
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: Hiker and figure out who hiked what trail. It might

1107
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: not be in the same area, but it might be

1108
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 1: a general area where I'm like, oh, they're eating berries

1109
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: at forty eight hundred feet because they like can do

1110
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: berry reports, and so you can get some good information

1111
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: without leaving your seat.

1112
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, man. There's all combined with the scouting and WTA,

1113
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: Washington Trails Association, Northwest Hiker. You can just go to

1114
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: a Barr report because they love to tell everybody about

1115
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: their berries that they ate, and they'll take pictures of

1116
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: them and stuff, and you're like, great, I'm research that trail.

1117
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: Let's just say it's the Phelps trail. You research that

1118
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: trail and be like, oh, it starts at thirty eight,

1119
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: and you know the peak they hiked to is at

1120
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: fifty one. There was berries three quarters away to the top.

1121
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 2: Now you got some ammo in your pocket without leaving

1122
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: your seat. You can be really effective and just be

1123
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: kind of squirrely, you know, look at you use all

1124
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 2: your resources and and I'm absolutely guilty of that. If

1125
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: I want to learn a new trail system, I can

1126
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: go to that trail on there and then go through

1127
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: the history of reports and be like, hey, there's berries

1128
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: here all right, that that trail might be worth checking out,

1129
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: And then you drop a pin and go check it

1130
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: out in the summer see if it. You know, oh man,

1131
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a a nice big basin full of

1132
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: berries one day or you know, in the fall. So absolutely, man,

1133
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: it's a great tip. We've talked about that tons of times.

1134
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then use an e scouting to find food

1135
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: sources a lot of times if you're if you're good

1136
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: at Google. You know, when I'm looking for elk cunting, like,

1137
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I do not want to walk through

1138
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: that brushole, right, Like that's that's brush versus this is

1139
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: clean outpine versus this is a this is you know,

1140
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: false alpine. It's really just a big brushy pile. Like

1141
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: that's where you want to try to focus on, Like

1142
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: can you glass into that? You know where where are

1143
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: the bear is going to be visible? That's where avalanche

1144
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: shoots do kind of come in. I love I love berry.

1145
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: You know, elevations that are at a berry but then

1146
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: are broken up by vertical lines because those bears have

1147
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: to you know, they will expose themselves in them. And

1148
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: so you can look at some of that. Once you

1149
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: know what you're looking at on scouting, whatever you're using

1150
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: you know, Google Earth, whatever mapping software, and you you'll

1151
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: be able to start to see different bands of barris

1152
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: or bush type and you're gonna keep that in mind

1153
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: as well. And then once again, if you go back

1154
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: to hiking websites, they've damn near covered every square inch

1155
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: of these forests, and you can usually get like a

1156
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: picture across the canyon and like, all right, that time

1157
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: of year, like what's that look like from this point,

1158
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: and is that gonna be a good spot to glass

1159
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: for bears?

1160
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Man, And I've done loads of this, I've done

1161
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: videos on it and just kind of testing myself, you know,

1162
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 2: all e scout a spot first. There's all sorts of

1163
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: different tools and stuff you can use. Onyx has stuff,

1164
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 2: you know, go Hunt has stuff, Google Earth has stuff.

1165
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: You can use all these kind of different imagery sources.

1166
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: But what I like to play around with is just

1167
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: historical imagery on go Hunt, where you can kind of

1168
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: go back years and stuff as well and check dates

1169
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: and exact dates that you're looking for, and then go

1170
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: back in there and previously look at the year to

1171
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: year and then you can just correlate it to this

1172
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: year and you can see if it was a drought.

1173
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna go back to twenty sixteen, because

1174
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: let's just say twenty twenty three we're expecting a drought.

1175
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: Go back to your last drought year. Like in the

1176
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: North Cascades, we had a pretty pretty bad drought in

1177
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. I know that because I was in there.

1178
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna go back to twenty fifteen, and

1179
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna look at the drought year, and then

1180
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: you can just go to the exact dates that you're

1181
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: looking to go hunting and just pick it apart and

1182
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: see that, Oh my gosh, and that drought year. The

1183
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: berries were ripe here, The berries were ripe here here,

1184
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: and you start dropping pins on these basins that were

1185
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 2: are going to be ripe. And I think EAT scouting

1186
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: is super effective. It's never as effective as getting your

1187
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 2: boots on the ground and getting out there. That being said,

1188
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 2: we've found dozens of trailheads and dozens of trails and

1189
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: basins and places that we have found and harvested bears

1190
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 2: on because of being effective on the computer and ES scouting.

1191
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 2: I don't know, really, what's one of your favorite tools

1192
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: for ES scouting? What's your trick for bears? Do you

1193
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 2: have any things tally four bears that you like to use?

1194
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: Not really, I mean I just so I always relate

1195
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: it back to spots. You know, I grew up hunting

1196
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: the goat rocks like that was my intro to high

1197
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: mountain stuff. And so like where did we see him

1198
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: at what times? And then I kind of relate that

1199
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: back like does that brush look similar? You know, trying

1200
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: to figure out where the snow line's at, but you

1201
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: know we still have snow in the goat rocks in

1202
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: some places. But it's really just trying to time those berries.

1203
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: Like as much as I would love to e scout,

1204
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: you just have to figure out on the ground, like

1205
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: where those berries are at at that time, and that's

1206
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: elevation you need to hunt. And if you need to

1207
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: hunt that elevation, I start to look at basins that

1208
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: are a little more open at that elevation or where

1209
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, because one one basin maybe have timber at

1210
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: that level, but then a different basin, you know, three

1211
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: more to the north might be might be berries at

1212
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: that elevation. So I'm really just trying to put myself

1213
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: into a spot where I'm going to be at the

1214
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: right elevation but can still see.

1215
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think there's any way to just replace

1216
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: the glassing berry bowls that you know are berry bulls.

1217
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: Once you know that there's a food source in there

1218
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: that the bears are going to be on, whether it

1219
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: be from previous you know, years past experience, whether it

1220
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: be a trail report for someone saying that there's berries

1221
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 2: on there, or just firsthand knowledge of you hiking up

1222
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: in there checking berries and verifying that there's berries in

1223
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: that basin, sitting back in glass in that basin, there's

1224
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 2: going to be a bear that room's in there. Almost

1225
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: I would almost say to you know, guarantee that if

1226
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: you have a berry basin that eventually you're going to

1227
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: find a bear in there. So just kind of knowing

1228
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: these things, whether it be from like we said, you know,

1229
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 2: trail reports, eascounting, or your boots on the ground work

1230
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: find the berries, that's really the ticket here.

1231
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, let's touch on terrain a little bit. We've

1232
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: hammered this, hammered this home that food sources are really

1233
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: what they're after, and terrain is just like a second.

1234
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: But I like the personally hunt steeper train. What type

1235
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: of train do you like to hunt? And how come.

1236
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: You know? I'm all over the I'm all over the

1237
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 2: board here. So as we as we progress early season,

1238
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 2: I can find myself on some on some trails, hiking

1239
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: trails that are next to creeks and rivers, just because

1240
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: they're the first ones to ripen up. So I'm not

1241
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: really picky or I'm not going to be you know,

1242
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 2: I only hunt step or I only hunt flat, I

1243
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 2: only hunt mild. I'm just kind of going where the

1244
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: bears are going to be, and in the early season

1245
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: that tends to be a little bit more flatter down

1246
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: on the basins, down in the bottoms excuse me, not basins,

1247
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: but drainages where you got creeks and rivers and stuff

1248
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: like that, because that's going to be kind of ripened first,

1249
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: and as we move up, as we progress to this season,

1250
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: we'll kind of move into that mild train. And I

1251
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 2: have I kind of have my elevator of spots where

1252
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 2: I'm down at the bottom in August first, and then

1253
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: we kind of just progress, you know, two, three four,

1254
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: five hundred feet per week. Five hundred feet a week

1255
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 2: is seems to be a little bit accurate, especially if

1256
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 2: you get these super hot days like brigs now, where

1257
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: weekend to weekend, we're just kind of trickling that five

1258
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: hundred feet until we get to labor day, and by

1259
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 2: labor day you're at the tops, you're at seven thousand.

1260
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: Most of the time you're at sixty eight, you know,

1261
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: seven th seventy two, towards those tops where you're gonna

1262
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 2: see bears on berries up at the tops of those

1263
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: peaks and the North Cascades. That's our top. So if

1264
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: you're listening from other states, that's our tops. That's probably

1265
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: not that's city, you know for Colorado and stuff, but

1266
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: those are our tops. But yeah, as the season progresses,

1267
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 2: I'm just going with him. My favorite time of the

1268
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: year is that labor time, labor day time frame, and

1269
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: they do tend to be on that super steep terrain

1270
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: where the huckleberries the blueberries are really really thick, and

1271
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: they just don't move. They stand in those fields and

1272
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: they're just vacuum them up. You might catch them, you know,

1273
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: going down into the timber to take a little nap

1274
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: in the shade, and then they will come back, you know,

1275
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: they'll come right back onto a berry patch if they

1276
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: have a good food source, if they're feeling secure, they're

1277
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: not being buggered up. You know, they're not hearing humans

1278
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: hollering and stuff like that, which sometimes on trails that

1279
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 2: we use, you know, popular trails, they do. So when

1280
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 2: humans start acting, you know, start actively, the suns up

1281
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: and they start moving down these trails, those bears will

1282
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 2: go those bears, excuse me, We'll go tuck away. And

1283
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: then once the hikers are done for the day, they'll

1284
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,320
Speaker 2: come back out in the evening and they'll just vacuum

1285
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: all night for you know, twelve hours or whatever. But yeah,

1286
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: it just really depends. Like I'm not picky. I'll just

1287
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: be wherever they are and I'll just kind of follow

1288
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: that berry, that berry line, if you will, up the elevation.

1289
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: As soon as as it starts ripening up high, I'm

1290
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: moving up high with them.

1291
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I agree, you got to hunt where the

1292
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: bears are out, which is so cliche we say that

1293
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: all the time, But you gotta hunt where the bears.

1294
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 1: I just like, if I'm going to go to a spot,

1295
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: the steeper the better. It seems like they can't hide

1296
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: as much, you know, the flatter that face is across

1297
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: the canyon from me or across the finger dge from me, like,

1298
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: the better chance I I you know, maybe it's just

1299
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: a confidence level. I know I've seen a bear if

1300
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: it was there right versus versus you know, if it's

1301
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: flat or roly, there's there's a lot more spots to hide,

1302
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm less confident, I'm less you know, confident

1303
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: to move because I don't want to leave a bear

1304
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: to to go somewhere else. But if it's steep there,

1305
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: there's a very slim chance that that thing is able

1306
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: to hide from me.

1307
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, I totally agree with you and kind of

1308
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: didn't really think about that. Just kind of giving them

1309
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 2: hiding spots if there's folds, if it's kind of steep,

1310
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: and then it kind of peters out and gives them

1311
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 2: a nice little bench. They could be on that bench for,

1312
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: like we just said, twelve hours and you never see them.

1313
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 2: So the steeper the country kind of does make it easier.

1314
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: And kind of just going back through my you know,

1315
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 2: pocketbook of spots, it's primarily steep spots in that September

1316
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: time frame, late August early September. The steeper the better

1317
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 2: for us. And it's probably has something to do with

1318
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: that where they don't have any kind of folds and

1319
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: stuff to get away from and to hide into. But

1320
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: that time of year, they're just they're out for so

1321
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: long you feel comfortable that if you're looking at a

1322
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: hillside for ten fifteen minutes you're going to catch a glimpse,

1323
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 2: cause yeah, they're always moving. They might be in a

1324
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: little fold or a roll or something, but for the

1325
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: most part, they're kind of just you know, modoring around

1326
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: within a twenty feet circle or something.

1327
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: You know, yep, yeah, So what do you think about

1328
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: water when it comes to fall bear hunting? Do you

1329
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: place yourself on water? Do you not paying any attention?

1330
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: Is it a requirement? Like what do you How does

1331
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: water enter the equation for for fall bear for you?

1332
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: I think maybe a little bit earlier, when it's scorching hot,

1333
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: they might wanna be you might want to focus a

1334
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 2: little bit closer to water. But I mean, I've never

1335
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: prioritized that, and I'm just being one hundred percent honest.

1336
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: Never prioritized it. Never made sure I'm in a basin

1337
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: with water. But in the North Cascades in Washington State,

1338
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: water is plentiful, you know, on a on a trail

1339
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 2: system that we use. That when I've I keep going

1340
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: back to when I mentioned earlier in the podcast where

1341
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 2: we saw thirteen in a day, there is no water

1342
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: source for us. They might they might have some of

1343
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: the basins that we don't know of, but on these

1344
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: trail systems that we're motoring in on. We we have

1345
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: to carry, you know, to I carry two forty eight

1346
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: now deans and then a thirty two, So we're going

1347
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: in with over one hundred ounces of water. So going in,

1348
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 2: you just know that it's gonna be a hot one,

1349
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: it's gonna be scorcher, and we're not getting water on

1350
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: this trail. So I don't necessarily know if that I

1351
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: would imagine that the bears are going to have them.

1352
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: The bears that we're seeing, they have some that they

1353
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: know where to go to. But up in they prioritize

1354
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 2: food over over water as well, so they'll travel to it.

1355
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: They'll travel to it, I'm sure. But no, speaking of

1356
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: water me personally, I don't prioritize it in the fall in, Yeah,

1357
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: don't prioritize it.

1358
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: I don't either, And I don't know if it's a

1359
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: product or a byproduct of us both being from the

1360
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest where I have fall bear hunted. Is there's

1361
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: water in every drainage exactly we've got We've got, you know,

1362
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: we always have great like moisture recoup, you know, every night,

1363
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: like the ground even when it's in the middle of summer,

1364
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: the ground is going to be damp when you wake up. Now,

1365
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's like the deer versus elk conversation,

1366
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: where a deer can get the moisture out of the

1367
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: food they eat versus an elk needs to go to water.

1368
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm unsure on bear. But but yeah, I don't think

1369
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: at least the places I've seen bears start the day

1370
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: and where they end the day, like, all right, I

1371
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: watch that bear for whatever, fourteen hours and the thing

1372
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 1: never had to go get water. Is it going there

1373
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. But yeah, I think

1374
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: some when you're listening outside of Washington, you may have

1375
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: a little different situation. And I do know that they

1376
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: will require water daily, especially in the hot temperature, so

1377
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: water may play an important part, but here in Washington

1378
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: not so.

1379
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: Much absolutely, And like you touched on, I'm right there

1380
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: with you. Everything's got water in Washington, especially the alpine

1381
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: basins and everything that we've gone down to and killed

1382
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: bears and impact out will find, you know, little puddles

1383
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: or a trickle or something like that. But last year

1384
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: the bear that I actually kind of goofed up on,

1385
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:39,479
Speaker 2: he was at least eighteen hundred feet down from water.

1386
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: Excuse me, he was up eighteen hundred two thousand feet

1387
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: from the nearest water source. But at you know, for

1388
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: an animal a bear, that that's nothing. They're going to

1389
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: just bail down in the middle of the night, go

1390
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: get some water and they're kind of come right back

1391
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: up to that food. And that one I'm pretty certain

1392
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: because you know, I was on a it was just

1393
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: a crazy spot to be in. But that bear was

1394
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: completely exposed Rocky Sale shale cliffs and then just right

1395
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: in the middle of the rocky Shell cliffs, it was

1396
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: just this barry patch that he never would have expected

1397
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: to see a bear there, but I did and ended

1398
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 2: up shooting at him. I guess missed him. Crazy turn

1399
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: of events. But that bear was completely away from water,

1400
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 2: So I don't prioritize it. You know, they're gonna they're

1401
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 2: gonna prioritize food over it, and then they're gonna go

1402
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 2: travel to their little honey hole of water that they

1403
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: that they know where to find it. So I don't

1404
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: think if you're looking at maps, you need to be like, oh,

1405
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: I need to I need to have water in a basin.

1406
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna ring true to us, but

1407
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: I could be wrong. I've just never prioritized it.

1408
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you how does weather? You know, we

1409
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: once again coming back to Washington, we get some crazy

1410
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: weather even in the in the you know, the summer,

1411
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: early fall, absolutely, and how do you how does the

1412
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: weather affect your hunts? What have you found? You know,

1413
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: rain storms? He how does that affect it?

1414
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 2: I I personally think it affects us more than it

1415
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 2: affects them. Obviously, they're wild animals. They don't. They don't

1416
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 2: really care that they live through it year round. We don't. Yeah,

1417
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: it might suck when you got a thunderstorm and it's

1418
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: and it's dump and rain on you. But I don't

1419
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: really necessarily think they do, because I've seen them out

1420
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: in it. You know. Last year I had actually filmed

1421
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: my wife on her first bear hunt, and we were

1422
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 2: watching this bear almost shot it, and then a cub

1423
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: came out from you know, behind it, and there was

1424
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: thunder and lightning, raining, and that bear just didn't care.

1425
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: They're just standing right there on top of us. Yeah,

1426
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: we were like maybe two minutes before the storm really

1427
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: got it going and it was on top of our head.

1428
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: But you know, it was We're in the in this

1429
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: big drainage, thunder and lightning was cracking and going, and

1430
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: they were just still outfeeding. So they're just gonna do

1431
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,479
Speaker 2: animal stuff and as far as the heat goes, doesn't

1432
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: seem to bother them. I filmed a bear midday, two

1433
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: o'clock in the afternoon. We're me and my wife are

1434
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: in the shade, and I just watched this bear cruise

1435
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: in this hillside, eating, eat and eating, and then kind

1436
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 2: of comes down, goes through the creek, didn't stop the drink,

1437
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: just goes right through it and then just goes back

1438
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 2: to feeding. So and it had to have been on

1439
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: a hundred plus triple digits for sure. It was the

1440
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: same day that we ended up harvesting her her suit

1441
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: for cool bear. And she shot it at you know,

1442
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: three and the clock in the afternoon, so again a

1443
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 2: hundred degrees. And he did not stop eating from the

1444
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 2: moment I saw him at like seven in the morning

1445
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: all the way until when she killed them at like

1446
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: three in the afternoon. So just after everything kind of

1447
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 2: lined up and we kind of got a shot going

1448
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 2: for him, we watched them feed. August had to have

1449
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: been fourth or fifth August fourth or fifth hundred degrees

1450
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 2: outside and they don't stop, you know, the obviously, if

1451
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 2: they need to, they will, But I don't think when

1452
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 2: they're on food sources and they're doing what they have

1453
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 2: to do and the weather doesn't bother them. I think

1454
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: that's just my opinion.

1455
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: No, I agree spring bear get bothered a little bit

1456
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: more by rain. They seem to kind of tuck in.

1457
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: I think fall bear that we've seen, they'll they'll ride

1458
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: out a weather storm. But still I still feel like

1459
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: just following maybe a rain event, if you get one

1460
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: of those fall rain events, like the backside, if you

1461
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: got some good weather on the backside, like that's the

1462
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: best time to be out there, they just seem to

1463
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: be on their feet. They're they're just on their feet

1464
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: more out in the open. Maybe they don't want to

1465
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: get as wet in the brush, so they seem to

1466
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: kind of get out in the opening, back to that

1467
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: food source and kind of stick out a little.

1468
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: Bit more absolutely, And I think maybe something to do

1469
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 2: with that is that the duration of those storms could

1470
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: vary so much differently from spring that that thing can

1471
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: last you know, hours, as you know, been caught in

1472
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: one and have to ride it out then to the fall.

1473
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: You could have thunder and lightning, pouring down rain, you know,

1474
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: one minute, and literally five minutes later it's blue sky again.

1475
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 2: So I think maybe they just like, I'm just gonna

1476
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: keep doing my thing. This one might not last long.

1477
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 2: It's going to pass quickly. But I've been through them.

1478
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 2: I've been through hell storms, thunder lightning, you know, one

1479
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: hundred degree heat, and been watching bears and all that,

1480
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: all those weathers, those weather kind of variations, and I

1481
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 2: really truly don't think that it bothers them at all.

1482
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 2: It's going to bother us more if you're getting soaked

1483
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: or getting haled on.

1484
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So moral of the story hunt hunt

1485
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: through all weather, which kind of comes is a good

1486
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: segue into the next question, what time of day? And

1487
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: so we're dealing when we're talking fall bear, we're talking

1488
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: August to all the way to the beginning of November,

1489
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: when our seasons finally closed down. Here, what time of

1490
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: day are you hunting or you find the most productive

1491
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: throughout that time.

1492
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: I'm you're not gonna like this, and not many listeners are,

1493
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say first light, and it kills me

1494
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: to say it. Because in August, I can sleep man,

1495
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,479
Speaker 2: I could sleep you around, I could be a bear.

1496
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: But in August it's you know, you got to be

1497
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 2: up at four thirty, and especially if you've got to

1498
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 2: get to a travel to a glassing knob. But that's

1499
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 2: you know, on weekends and stuff, you go to work

1500
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 2: and you get up early, and the blue collar guys

1501
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 2: are up early all week and then you got to

1502
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: a weekend and you're like, yeah, I would like to

1503
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 2: sleep in, but when fall bear man like, you just

1504
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: can't do it. And that's just like the truth bottom

1505
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: of my heart. You gotta be up glassing at first light.

1506
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: They're so active and time and time and time again,

1507
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: I've harvested majority of the bears in the first thing

1508
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 2: in the morning. They're gonna be active throughout the day.

1509
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 2: But if you really want to catch them, especially in

1510
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 2: that September when they're up in those blueberries, they're gonna

1511
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 2: be they're gonna feed out from that. You know, they're

1512
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 2: mostly active at night and then actually in that time

1513
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 2: of year, they're active throughout the day. But if you

1514
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: really catch them, like Jason, I'll start my answer up

1515
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: first light, the first right right, the first thing in

1516
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: the morning, man, my favorite time absolutely.

1517
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: I think you catch those bigger bears out maybe in

1518
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: the middle, but you know, with that said, like anytime

1519
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: during the fall can produce and so if you're out

1520
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: there targeting bear, like you just need to hunt all day.

1521
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think morning is just is prime. And

1522
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: then around home where it's like industrial timberlands, My absolute

1523
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: favorite time to be out there is in the evening,

1524
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: right as the shade starts to hit clear cuts, like

1525
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, when you'd expect deer and elk to start

1526
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: coming back out, like that transition from it being too

1527
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: damn hot to just starting to cool off. It seems

1528
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: as like when we pick up the majority of like

1529
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: the Timberland bears.

1530
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. That's good to know. That's you know,

1531
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: I don't hunt really the Timberland stuff, but from the

1532
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 2: experience that we, like just the first light thing, just

1533
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: kind of majority of the bears get spotted. But like

1534
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: you said, they're they're they're active throughout the entire day.

1535
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: Back to that story where I said I watched that

1536
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 2: bear for fourteen hours last year, Like I can go

1537
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: back and look at the phone scoat footage and it's

1538
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: like five forty seven in the morning where he's you know,

1539
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 2: stationary in that spot. I first bought him and then

1540
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 2: when the phone scoat footage of me killing him is

1541
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: like eight fifteen at night. So yeah, you didn't have

1542
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 2: to wake up at daylight to go spot that bear

1543
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: because he didn't move. But we have seen bears that

1544
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 2: you know, you catch it first light and then they're

1545
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: slipping into the timber at seven to go take a

1546
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: four hour nap. You might not have known that it

1547
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 2: was there if you, you know, slept in a little bit.

1548
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna stick to the guns there and just say,

1549
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 2: like we prefer in that North Cascade stuff that you're

1550
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: going to see a majority of the activity right at

1551
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 2: first light at least most the bears are going to

1552
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: be out, and then yeah, you might slip into the

1553
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: timber and take a nap, and of course they can

1554
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: come back out, so just check some balances there. I

1555
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: prefer the morning.

1556
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,959
Speaker 1: And then kind of our last question, my last question

1557
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: for you, do you any calling for bears in the fall,

1558
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna play I have to ask the call

1559
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: question just because it's it's my job, but I'm curious

1560
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: what you do as far as running a call in

1561
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: the fall.

1562
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there. I mean, if you want to do

1563
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: the call stuff, I gotta tug the I gotta you know,

1564
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 2: plug the old Doug Bows he's a Washington resident too.

1565
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: You've had him on the podcast. Just awesome, dude. He's

1566
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: got a phone call app. He not to take away

1567
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 2: from your business, Jason, yours, yours are the best. Uh,

1568
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 2: but he's got an app that you can use and

1569
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: and and run those predator calls just on a in

1570
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: a bluetooth speaker. But I did run your predator distress

1571
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: call last season. I always keep it in my binyal

1572
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 2: harness after kind of like the lampers, uh, you know,

1573
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 2: on the spring stuff, he kind of mentioned that he

1574
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 2: keeps one in there and maybe not just to actually

1575
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: call him in, but to get him to stop or

1576
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 2: to get him to come back out of the timber.

1577
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: I think it's a it's a genius idea. So I

1578
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: adopted that and I actually got to use it last year.

1579
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: So to answer your question, no, I'm not gonna do

1580
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 2: a calling, you know, set for a bear just because

1581
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 2: I've I have I don't have experience with it. But

1582
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: Doug's gonna give you a different answer. Doug's he's got

1583
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: a book on it and he's got an app, so

1584
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 2: he's he's found it very effective. Me personally, in our experience,

1585
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 2: we've never done like a calling sequence or a stand

1586
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 2: specifically to call a bear into But I have used

1587
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: it now to get a bear to stand up, like

1588
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: I was talking about, and we have it on film.

1589
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 2: You guys can go watch it. I'm just ripping on

1590
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: this predator call to even get this bear to acknowledge

1591
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 2: me to stand up, to take four steps out into

1592
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: the open. But he just wouldn't do it. He's just

1593
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 2: like looking right down at the call. I'm on the rifle,

1594
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm on, I'm ready to take a step. If he

1595
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 2: just took a step, I could smoke him. But he's

1596
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 2: just behind this big boulder and you could just see

1597
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: his head and he's just panting like a dog, just

1598
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 2: tongue out. He's just panting, and then his head would

1599
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,600
Speaker 2: go down, and I'm like, Zach, what are we gonna do?

1600
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm getting fried right here. You know,

1601
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: it's August, August sixth or something. It's you know, nine

1602
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 2: in the morning at this point, and we're just on

1603
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 2: this bear. We watched him for a half hour or

1604
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 2: so and just kind of get him to get a shot,

1605
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 2: and so Zach's like, I'm gonna rip on the call.

1606
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: So I tossing my call and he just rips and rips,

1607
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 2: and the footage is crazy because his head would just

1608
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 2: pop up and he just looked down at us and

1609
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: he'd just go back to panting. And then after two

1610
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 2: seconds of the call, he just lay back down and

1611
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 2: then we're like, okay, let's try it again. In five minutes,

1612
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: the same thing. He just lifted his head up and

1613
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 2: then he and then when he started moving, we thought

1614
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 2: he was gonna like come down and check us out. Nope,

1615
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 2: opposite direction, goes away from the predator call, away from

1616
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 2: the call and just into the timbers more and ended

1617
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 2: up giving me a shot and was able to harvest

1618
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 2: that bear. But just to plug back the food source

1619
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 2: that we've just really prioritized this whole podcast episode. Once

1620
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 2: they're on a food source and they're happy, I don't

1621
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: really think that there's much you can do to pull

1622
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 2: them away from that, especially if they've been feeding for

1623
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: ten eight hours and they're just plump full of berries.

1624
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 2: They're pretty happy campers and if you maybe if you

1625
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 2: caught them, you know, like if Washington State had I'm

1626
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: sure spring bear hunting predator calls are very very useful.

1627
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: But as far as my experience goes, in the fall,

1628
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: when you have these bears that are on a solid

1629
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: food source of berries or you know, of huckleberries or

1630
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 2: whatever it may be, it's gonna take some real hard

1631
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 2: work and a really curious bear to pull him out

1632
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 2: of that to go down and look for a rabbit.

1633
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 2: You know, That's my opinion.

1634
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 1: And that's where really down. Like for me as being

1635
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: an efficient hunter, I feel like your time is way

1636
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: better utilized hiking and looking into those berries sources and

1637
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: setting up for thirty five to forty five minutes calling

1638
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: in an area, because, as you said, these bears are

1639
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: no longer wanting to chase their food. It's sitting on

1640
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: a vine where they don't have to move, they don't

1641
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 1: have to chase it, they don't have to expend any energy.

1642
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: But with that said, we do have we have quite

1643
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 1: a few buddies you know, around home. Our fall bear

1644
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: hunting or any hunting around here is your typical You

1645
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: pull up to a landing, you walk off the edge

1646
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: and you glass right, but a lot of times when

1647
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: you're there you can hear something break and brush down

1648
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: below us. And I've had multiple buddies in the last

1649
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: couple of years just like calf distress call, and they've

1650
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: all killed bears, like right off the landing. So I

1651
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: would say, like, if you if there's no other option,

1652
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: or if it's available to you, or if it's a

1653
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: if it's a good setup, like there's no there's no

1654
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: harm to be done, it can still be very effective.

1655
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: But I just feel like if I'm in the mountains

1656
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: where there are berries on and the bears know that

1657
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: the berries are on, like I'm better off spending my

1658
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: time and effort like getting to their and glossing.

1659
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to fully agree with you, man, it's

1660
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,919
Speaker 2: and just from first hand experience now, that bear absolutely

1661
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 2: wanted nothing to do with us, and we were sounding

1662
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 2: pretty juicy with that call. I may add it's pretty good,

1663
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: you know, but he just he wasn't having it. Man.

1664
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 2: He just didn't didn't care, didn't have a care in

1665
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: the world, could care less about us just ripping down there,

1666
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: and we sounded like a nice juicy rabbit or whatever.

1667
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 2: That thing's supposed to be, but I didn't want didn't

1668
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 2: want it, man, that's funny.

1669
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 1: So uh no, Jeff, thanks a lot for coming on here.

1670
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: Tell everybody how they can find out more what you

1671
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: got going on and adventures you're you're taking on.

1672
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, appreciate you having me first and foremost. Appreciate

1673
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 2: your friendship and all you've done for us, and just

1674
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 2: what you've allowed me to text you and answer my

1675
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 2: stupid questions any given day. Uh So, I really appreciate that. Man.

1676
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate this chance to come on the show. But

1677
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: you can find anything p and Wild at p and

1678
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 2: wil dot com. P and Wild has a YouTube channel

1679
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 2: releasing a lot of cool hunts, and we did a

1680
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 2: wholming I'll Hunt in Montana deer hunt that's on our

1681
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,839
Speaker 2: YouTube channel now, and so you can find us on YouTube,

1682
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,879
Speaker 2: and then of course on all your social media platforms,

1683
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: Facebook and Instagram, and primarily just in our website PML

1684
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 2: dot com. You can find all that information. So appreciate it, man.

1685
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate having you on. Thanks for sharing all

1686
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: your black bear knowledge. Falling in good luck out there.

1687
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: I know you're probably chumping to get out there and

1688
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: chase one down. So good luck on a ventures.

1689
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 2: Yes, YouTube man right around the corner. Can't wait. Have

1690
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 2: a good season, guys, I appreciate you.

1691
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: Take care.