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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to normally the show with

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Speaker 1: normalist takes for when the news gets weird. I am

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Speaker 1: Mary Katherine.

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Speaker 2: Ham, I'm Carol Marcowitz. How are you doing over there?

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Speaker 2: Mary Catherine. We had a whole conversation off air just

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Speaker 2: now about how freezing we are in Florida.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel sorry for us with our like sixty

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Speaker 1: I don't feel sorry for you. In sixty seven degrees,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be walking out my door in a bikini, like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: everybody's summer's hair, so look out for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Our producers also from Florida, and he and I were

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Speaker 2: chatting about how it's been a very cold winter and

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Speaker 1: So I hope that things improve for you. I do,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you for caring. You're welcome.

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Speaker 3: So we got a lot going on today.

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Speaker 2: People keep blowing up Tesla's and Democrats don't seem to

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Speaker 2: have a problem with this because Elon Musk is bad.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and actually not only do they not have a

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Speaker 1: problem with it, Jimmy Kimmel sort of joked about it

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Speaker 2: She just air quoted comedy show, which is exactly how

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Speaker 2: you have to do it when talking about Jimmy Kimmel,

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Speaker 2: He's like the angriest little man ever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then meanwhile Tim Walls, former vice presidential nominee

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Speaker 4: Party, staying on my phone. I don't some of me

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Speaker 4: know this on the iPhone. They've got that little stock app.

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Speaker 4: I added Tesla tude to give me a little boost

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Speaker 4: during the day two five and dropping. So, and if

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Speaker 4: you own one, If you own one, we're not blaming you.

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Speaker 4: You can take dental floss and pull the Tesla thing off,

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Speaker 4: you know, and take out of just.

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Speaker 1: Telling you that is a weird dude.

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Speaker 2: I am just baffled that they went with that guy

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Speaker 3: He's just odd.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they just saw a football guy who

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Speaker 1: let's go with that. He's calling jd Vance weird. We

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Speaker 2: He during the campaign specifically said he does not own

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Speaker 2: that fact. And now he's celebrating stock dropping of an

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Speaker 2: it's at two twenty five. And I tweeted, may all

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, I've had my issues with plenty

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Speaker 3: See the dolphins.

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Speaker 2: Elon was on Sean Hannity last night and he latantly

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Speaker 1: They were asked about it They're of course very excited

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Speaker 2: Worried about that if our astronauts get stuck up at

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Speaker 2: It sounds like the astronauts think that though they the

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Speaker 1: That seems like a problem to me. And here's here's

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Speaker 3: You're going to lose to that guy. Yeah, and they are.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how why wouldn't you be right? It's just you

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Speaker 2: Normally the Democrats, are they in good shape or not

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Speaker 1: It's not it's not great. It's not great now, it's

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Speaker 1: And we're going to have to stop saying we're the

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Speaker 5: I do think the one thing that we're saying over

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Speaker 5: They cannot blame Trump, they cannot blame that the Republicans

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Speaker 5: Values are right. It is the state that has failed,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is it the lack of molestation by Republicans?

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Speaker 1: So what the problem for them is, Well, there's two things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what they're going to suggest, because

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Speaker 3: And some of their brighter people are pointing out, well.

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Speaker 1: It's failing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they get over that.

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Speaker 3: Really just praising yourself. You're like, I'm so smart.

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Speaker 2: Carol, Yeah, tell us you reminded me of this right

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Speaker 1: Well, in true twenty twenty style. And this is I

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Speaker 2: So it's even it's interesting that he still ended up

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Speaker 1: Yes, sure had publicized research. This is reason reporting from

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Speaker 3: So it was a crazy time. Kids.

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Speaker 2: People got fired for stuff like that. And I don't

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Speaker 2: know did the left learn their lesson? You know, it's

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Speaker 2: interesting because you actually said the line. You know, they're

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Speaker 3: To be fresh for them.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and good on David Shore, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what they are is clearly seeing the Democratic Party

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Speaker 2: For them, right because what are the Democrats really offering

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Speaker 1: No, And I think they're wrestling with the fact that

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Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right

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Speaker 2: He apparently had many online relationships with these young ladies.

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Speaker 2: I don't even want to call it relationships, because were

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Speaker 1: Well, so that's the thing. So Harry, this is like

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Speaker 1: That's a great way of explaining him.

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Speaker 1: So he became very popular as like millions of followers young,

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Speaker 2: I'd say, you're not even in a relationship with him.

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Speaker 3: They canceled people for far less than this.

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Speaker 2: A season, Sorry was canceled for like offering a woman

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Speaker 1: That was one of the more egregiousness that was a mistake.

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Speaker 2: Well, I called that the end of the me too era,

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Speaker 1: And for anybody who is a public figure or who

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Speaker 3: Kids, just assume.

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Speaker 3: Live like that.

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Speaker 1: But I do not mind women getting together and being

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Speaker 1: that's fine. Sure, let's not ruin his life. And I

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Speaker 1: think ladies just be careful who we're engaging with in

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Speaker 1: those ways. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well.

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Speaker 2: Our last story is on the Snow White movie, which

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Speaker 2: is finally coming out after what seems like a decade

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Speaker 2: of bad press, like it.

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Speaker 1: Actually has been a decade. By the way I read

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Speaker 1: the timeline, Ina.

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Speaker 6: Was it really I was gonna say it's like three years,

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Speaker 6: but twenty sixteen is when it was announced, and it

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Speaker 6: has had controversies every like year and a half since then.

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Speaker 1: So here we are, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This movie.

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Speaker 2: So some of the controversies have been that they were

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Speaker 2: going to have little people play the dwarves, but then

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Speaker 2: somebody had a problem with that.

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Speaker 1: I think Peter Dinklish had a problem, which I was everybody.

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Speaker 3: Reversed himself and said, no, we want the work. I

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 2: It is completely confusing what is going on there, But

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Speaker 2: so they replaced it with CGI Dwarves. And then of

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Speaker 2: course their actress, Rachel Zegler, she plays snow White. She

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Speaker 2: has been just somebody who makes all kinds of kind

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Speaker 2: of comments to the media that end up alienating people.

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Speaker 2: It's just been a real bad time for them.

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Speaker 1: Well, and Zegler was the lead in Spielberg's remake of

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Speaker 1: West Side Story, which is how she got this gig,

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Speaker 1: and she was absolutely fantastic in that movie. There's no

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Speaker 1: reason she couldn't have been good in this one, and

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Speaker 1: yet she just kept talking about how much she disliked

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Speaker 1: the story of snow White and been all of her

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Speaker 1: outside politics on top of it in really gross ways

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Speaker 1: sometimes And yeah, it just hasn't gone well for the marketing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing is with Disney, people love this brand.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we both know people who are like, really

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Speaker 2: committed to Disney in so many different ways, even people

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Speaker 2: you know, ostensibly on the right. But she in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two, she said that the original version of snow

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Speaker 2: White had a big focus on her love story with

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Speaker 2: a guy who literally stalks her. Weird, weird, So we

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Speaker 2: didn't want to do that this time. I was scared

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Speaker 2: of the original version. I think I watched it and

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Speaker 2: never picked it up again. There's nothing Disney people like

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Speaker 2: more than the original versions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, her trashing this was a problem.

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Speaker 2: And then of course she went on after the election

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Speaker 2: to say that Trump and Trump supporters specifically should never

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Speaker 2: have a moment of peace, and then she got into

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Speaker 2: a political disagreement with Galgado over Israel and so on

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Speaker 2: and so on and so on. But you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Root for Disney. I am not like Tim Walls.

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Speaker 2: I am not hoping that an American company fails. I

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Speaker 2: will say that Disney stock was one hundred and fourteen

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Speaker 2: dollars a year ago. It's down twelve percent at one

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars today.

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Speaker 1: This is a.

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Speaker 2: Company in trouble, and they can and should turn it around.

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Speaker 3: I hope that they do.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard living three hours away from Disney World

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Speaker 2: and never taking my kids anymore because I don't trust them.

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Speaker 2: I would love to see them fix themselves, and I

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Speaker 2: would love to see them.

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Speaker 3: See what's going on here. And this movie might have

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Speaker 3: a decent opening. They're predicting fifty million dollar weekend, which.

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Speaker 2: Is better than other movies right now, but still far

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Speaker 2: less good than other Disney releases. I'd love to see

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Speaker 2: them recover and take a saner path the way a

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Speaker 2: lot of companies are doing right now. A lot of

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Speaker 2: companies are seeing the light and saying this Wolk thing

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Speaker 2: hasn't worked out for us, and taking a saner path.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, this is I believe the liberals call

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Speaker 1: it accountability culture. I just I just want to note

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Speaker 1: on the controversy front that the way it's framed in

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Speaker 1: Hollywood publications and in mainstream media is that Rachel Zigler

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Speaker 1: and Gal Gudaut had you know, diverging and equally loud

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Speaker 1: political opinions. Oh, it says, from MAGA backlash to ableism

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Speaker 1: discourse to the diverging political positions of its two stars,

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Speaker 1: snow White has been plagued by enough controversy to drive

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Speaker 1: anyone to a poisoned apple. Galgadot's position is that she

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Speaker 1: is Israeli and should therefore be allowed to exist. She's

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Speaker 1: Israelian Jewish and like those things should exist on the earth.

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Speaker 1: That's her big take.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and she just even like say it. She just

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Speaker 3: like wants to continue existing.

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Speaker 1: She gave a speech where the thesis of the speech

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Speaker 1: was like it shouldn't be controversial for me and Israeli

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Speaker 1: due to exist. Yeah, that's her big that's her big statement,

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Speaker 1: right right. Also, can I say that they were off

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Speaker 1: the rails on this movie from the beginning when someone

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Speaker 1: asserted to anyone that we could suspend disbelief that Galgadot

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Speaker 1: is not the hottest woman in the movie.

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Speaker 2: Fact, Yeah, I think Actually, I also eat two things.

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Speaker 2: I think that they're trying to shift the blame over

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Speaker 2: to Gal for when this movie inevitably tanks. That's one

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Speaker 2: thing and the other thing is, and I wrote about

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Speaker 2: this for Fox, is I think they're trying to drum

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Speaker 2: up the controversy between these two actresses so that we

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Speaker 2: will go see this movie. I think it's too late

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Speaker 2: for that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Dall's the only reason I would be there, and I do.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, Carol, this is their chance for

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Speaker 1: a hard reset after this one.

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Speaker 2: Take it, Disney, take it. We want to go back

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Speaker 2: to Disney World. We want to trust you again. Be normal,

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