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Speaker 1: to like Lamar Jackson. I'm a guy who was very

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Speaker 1: I was like a running quarterback who's not that accurate.

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Speaker 1: Then I underestimated his character, how much he's beloved in

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Speaker 1: He's got more accurate throughout his career, and I've underestimated

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Speaker 1: just how dynamic, the guy is, he's incredible. I would Lamar.

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Speaker 1: He wouldn't be my first choice, but I'd have no

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Speaker 1: problem as Lamar Jackson being my quarterback. Sometimes we're wrong.

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Speaker 1: I love Sam Donald. He's been a disaster. So you

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Speaker 1: just never know. But once you have it, you have

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Speaker 1: typically i'd be like I'd be hesitant to sign running quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens have no choice there There is no Ravens

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Speaker 1: without Lamar Jackson. They don't exist. I know they want

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Speaker 1: a game with Tyler Hunley. Give me a break. Like

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Speaker 1: the reason that John Harbaugh got a contract extension and

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Speaker 1: their organization is held to a high regard. Again, it's

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Speaker 1: because of Lamar Jackson. We saw for several years before

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Speaker 1: under no circumstances of my taking another snap until I

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Speaker 1: Actually I don't really. I mean you just gotta pay him.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're willing to draft him, then you make

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Speaker 1: It's like where are you going? And they didn't go

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Speaker 1: Rams can't function without Aaron Dumble. You know, he is

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Speaker 1: take a left tackle or a pass rusher over a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks left till summer break for football, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we get to soak up the sun. They get to

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Speaker 1: training camps. So have a good week, have another podcast

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