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Speaker 2: Fish and Filtered Episode one, where we're at the mid
Speaker 2: season point, just over eighty one games played for the
Speaker 2: Miami Marlins. So so we're gonna give our mid season awards.
Speaker 2: We'll do MVP, cy Young, Best Win, worst Loss, and
Speaker 2: Biggest Surprise, and then the first half Prospect of the
Speaker 2: Year as well. I'm here with isaacazouit Aj ramos Aj.
Speaker 2: How's the vacation? We saw it ran into Tom Kohler,
Speaker 2: So how cool was that? How was the vacation just
Speaker 2: away you know, from from the baseball side of things
Speaker 2: for a bit.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know that part being away from the baseball
Speaker 3: side of it is cool. And I didn't have to
Speaker 3: do serious XM radio and I have to do anything
Speaker 3: that was cool to kind of get my mind off
Speaker 3: of that. I watched I looked at box scores. For
Speaker 3: the most part, I didn't even look at my phone.
Speaker 3: But it was cool being around. But I mean, I
Speaker 3: think with all parents, when you as they know, when
Speaker 3: you take your kids on vacation, it's not really that
Speaker 3: much of vacation because you're you're dealing with the kids,
Speaker 3: but overall, man, it was a really good time. And yeah,
Speaker 3: seeing Coler, he was walking by on the boardwalk and
Speaker 3: I was like, that guy looks like Tom Kohler. But
Speaker 3: when I played with Coler, probably the last time I
Speaker 3: saw Coler, Coler was in not as good of a
Speaker 3: shape as he is now. He got jiu jitsu and
Speaker 3: he had the chisel jaw, and I'm like, damn, that
Speaker 3: dude looks like a handsome you know, like the handsome
Speaker 3: squid word, but the handsome Coler version. I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3: And then so I'm looking, I'm like, is that him
Speaker 3: or not. If I would have recog like knew it
Speaker 3: was for sure him, I would have jumped on his
Speaker 3: back and put him in a hole and said look alive,
Speaker 3: and like give him a little hold. But because he
Speaker 3: does jiu jitsu and anyway saw him, we chopped it
Speaker 3: up for a little bit. He was on vacation celebrating
Speaker 3: his fortieth birthday. He was out there with him and
Speaker 3: his wife on a real vacation. They're out there for
Speaker 3: a couple of nights. So it was cool to run
Speaker 3: into him. He looks really good, and yeah, there he
Speaker 3: just look at look at him man, like when we
Speaker 3: were playing shit, when we were playing like he was
Speaker 3: a little bit on the thicker side. I will say
Speaker 3: he probably used that as energy as well. You got
Speaker 3: to have some fat on you, you know, when you're a
Speaker 3: starting pitcher, you got to absorb those innings. Uh. But
Speaker 3: now he looks really good man. And uh you look
Speaker 3: at that jaw looking looking chiseled man. So it was
Speaker 3: cool to see him. We chopped it up and looking
Speaker 3: forward to you know, when I'm out in Miami again
Speaker 3: and I stay at my house in Jupiter to kick
Speaker 3: it with him out there.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, So let's talk about the Marlins Man twenty and
Speaker 2: six in the month of June. That's the best record
Speaker 2: in a month long spanning franchise history. Isaac, Like, what
Speaker 2: do you You're on faul Territory. You spoke a little
Speaker 2: bit about it too, But like, if you have to
Speaker 2: like pinpoint into one thing that really worked out for
Speaker 2: this team in the month of during that that led
Speaker 2: them to this, what would it be.
Speaker 4: It's like I said on the show, it's just every
Speaker 4: single part of this froster has been doing their part.
Speaker 4: And if I had to choose one, I'd lean towards
Speaker 4: the offense. I mean, there's everyone in that lineup that's
Speaker 4: playing most days is contributing at a high level, and
Speaker 4: that's what's allowing the starting pitching take a little bit
Speaker 4: of a breather and know that they don't have to
Speaker 4: be perfect. And that goes a long way for both
Speaker 4: the relievers and the starters. When you have guys like
Speaker 4: Ryan Gusto and Tyler Phillips come into pitch meaningful innings,
Speaker 4: they don't need to be perfect, they don't need to
Speaker 4: go five shutout. They can just simply know allow a
Speaker 4: couple of runs, to know that their offense will pick
Speaker 4: them up. And you know, we saw what they've done
Speaker 4: in Colorado so far. Recording this on July second, before
Speaker 4: they wrap up a four game set in Course Field,
Speaker 4: and they are spraying balls all over that city of
Speaker 4: Denver right now. It's really fun to watch Owen Casey,
Speaker 4: Joe macgriff and ConA have all hit balls over four
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty feet. I know they called it four
Speaker 4: to thirty three on griffs, which is a bunch of
Speaker 4: horse hockey. It's just professional at bats up and down
Speaker 4: the lineup top to bottom, and I would say that's
Speaker 4: the main contributor to this, to the most successful month
Speaker 4: that I've ever seen. I know the twenty twelve May
Speaker 4: was berserk, and for them to have a better win
Speaker 4: presentage than that month, holy crap, they must have been
Speaker 4: really good.
Speaker 2: Aja, you pitched in Colorado for a little I think
Speaker 2: just a little bit, and you have pitched before there
Speaker 2: as a former player. How tough is it just to
Speaker 2: do what you know guys like Sandy or and Max
Speaker 2: have already done, which is, you know, keep their team
Speaker 2: in a position to win. But you know they have
Speaker 2: walked a lot of guys and Max had that one
Speaker 2: bad inning. Just what do you look at how do
Speaker 2: you kind of evaluate their outings so far? And then
Speaker 2: obviously talk about the offense mac Casey like they've gone
Speaker 2: bombs away in this series.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the biggest thing I feel like, Well,
Speaker 3: first of all, I actually had good numbers in Colorado
Speaker 3: when I pitched there, and because it really forced me
Speaker 3: to try to get on top of the ball, and
Speaker 3: always leaving Colorado always felt best because I was able
Speaker 3: to manipulate the ball a little bit more easier because
Speaker 3: you're you're now at sea level and the ball moves
Speaker 3: the way you want it to, and my stuff would
Speaker 3: normally get sharper. So going into pitch to Colorado, you
Speaker 3: really have to one hydrate because you're playing in elevation,
Speaker 3: and two you really have to adjust your sights. And
Speaker 3: the way you do that is in catch play. When
Speaker 3: you're playing catch, you're seeing how the ball's moving, You're
Speaker 3: seeing how the shape is and everything. And then when
Speaker 3: you throw a bullpen, I would always throw when we
Speaker 3: first get there, I would throw a short box, which
Speaker 3: is a shorter length of a bullpen, So I'd throw
Speaker 3: like at fifty six feet on the mound. I get
Speaker 3: the catcher to come up so that I can get
Speaker 3: a feel of what my ball is doing, and I
Speaker 3: throw it like at seventy eighty percent so that I
Speaker 3: can get a feel and understand where my sights are.
Speaker 3: So that's what I would do there now. As far
Speaker 3: as how they performed, you know, I think the sinkers
Speaker 3: and changeups have had the most effect of the altitude.
Speaker 3: You see Max's change up when you threw it, it
Speaker 3: moves seven inches less than it normally did. When he
Speaker 3: threw his slider. It moved an inch less when he
Speaker 3: threw his sinker. Though he gained almost like almost a
Speaker 3: full velocity a tick of velocity on his sinker, and
Speaker 3: you can say, oh, that's good, But when your body
Speaker 3: is used to releasing the ball at a certain point
Speaker 3: with a certain velocity, that's an alteration you have to make.
Speaker 3: So at times it gets tough out there. So pitching
Speaker 3: in Colorado really challenges your ability to actually pitch because
Speaker 3: things aren't gonna move the same. And you know, Max
Speaker 3: has had one of those games where it didn't go
Speaker 3: his way. Happens, it was bound to happens, his first
Speaker 3: blip of the year, but overall, he still was able
Speaker 3: to keep his team in a good enough position to
Speaker 3: to in striking distance basically, even though it didn't happen.
Speaker 3: And URI's He's us his fastball, well, his his slider
Speaker 3: actually broke more in Colorado than in previous games, and
Speaker 3: his sinker and change up didn't really move as much.
Speaker 3: But you know Uri has electric stuff and was able
Speaker 3: to do that. But as far as hitting goes, sometimes
Speaker 3: when opposing teams go playing in a place like Colorado,
Speaker 3: they can tend to get big because they know that
Speaker 3: they lift the ball up in the air, more than
Speaker 3: likely they hit it good, it's going to go out,
Speaker 3: so sometimes they change their approach. I didn't see that
Speaker 3: from the Marlins. I saw them keeping the same approaches
Speaker 3: and the ball was just flying out. That's the thing
Speaker 3: about being consistent, not trying to do anything different, because
Speaker 3: if you're on time and you have that same good swing,
Speaker 3: what you do in other stadiums is going to be
Speaker 3: another ten to fifteen feet more. So there's no need
Speaker 3: to try to do anything else. And that's what this
Speaker 3: young Marlins team was able to do is just just
Speaker 3: continue to establish their understanding of process and allow that
Speaker 3: to go to work, and then that's how they're able
Speaker 3: to score the amount of runs and have the performance
Speaker 3: that they've had so far.
Speaker 2: One guy I want to talk about, Isaac Whodn, fortunately
Speaker 2: just continues to struggle. Is Jacob Marcy. Really tough series
Speaker 2: for him, really tough road trip overall. But you look
Speaker 2: at all the opportunities he's had, especially in Colorado, He's
Speaker 2: had multiple opportunities with the bases loaded to get something going.
Speaker 2: And fortunately it's just a combo of like bad luck
Speaker 2: just knocking at bats. He's he has a six sixteen
Speaker 2: ops within his last two months. He has a one
Speaker 2: ninety seven batting average within those last two months as well.
Speaker 2: What do you seeing with Marcy at this point? We've
Speaker 2: seen the Martins give a quick cook to players where
Speaker 2: they send them down and then hope that they could
Speaker 2: really get things going. We saw it recently with Norby.
Speaker 2: We saw it with Burt, who's back up obviously leaders
Speaker 2: down in Jacksonville. Grand Poly's down in Jacksonville. How much
Speaker 2: longer do you think the mars will continue to have
Speaker 2: Jacob Marsiy in the lineup. He's playing almost every day too.
Speaker 2: It's not like he's a platooning, you know, he's playing
Speaker 2: almost every single day. I don't think he played yesterday
Speaker 2: for the first time in a while. But how much
Speaker 2: longer do they give Marcy? And at this point, if
Speaker 2: you're in a position where you're going to compete, you
Speaker 2: need to add to this roster. Is a center field
Speaker 2: or something you have to look for in the trade
Speaker 2: market that could hit. Because the defense in the base
Speaker 2: running isn't the problem with Marcy. It's right right now
Speaker 2: the offense.
Speaker 4: He can't hit all right. It's tough to gauge Jacob
Speaker 4: Marcy at this point, he went there was a little
Speaker 4: bit towards the end of May or early June, where
Speaker 4: he looked like he was starting to get it going
Speaker 4: a little bit. But over his last ten games, he's
Speaker 4: two for his last thirty six. He's not really walking.
Speaker 4: He just doesn't look he doesn't have that confidence at
Speaker 4: the plate at this moment right now, which is just frustrating.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: The difference between sending a guy like him down and
Speaker 4: Connor Norby and HERBERTA. Hernandez and Akusi Ramirez is that
Speaker 4: he does add value in the other fastest of the game,
Speaker 4: which is excellent center field defense, excellent base running. I
Speaker 4: believe he leads a team in stolen bases, so it's
Speaker 4: not as much of a requirement to send him down,
Speaker 4: although it is seemingly a black hole in that lineup
Speaker 4: spot for him right now, two for his last thirty six.
Speaker 4: It's just it's especially in a place like Colorado, where
Speaker 4: you're team literally got twenty one hits in a game
Speaker 4: and you're the only one sporting a gooseg It's tough,
Speaker 4: and I think games like that really open your eyes
Speaker 4: a little bit. But I don't think they'll send him
Speaker 4: down for a while anyway, unless this really continues to
Speaker 4: snowball on him. Like I said, he does continue to
Speaker 4: provide value the other places that Codnor, norby Bert and
Speaker 4: Augusty Rimirez were not, So I think it was a
Speaker 4: little bit easier with him because they're not hitting than
Speaker 4: what else are they contributing. So with Marci, I think
Speaker 4: he's got a little bit more runway than those players did.
Speaker 4: But you're right, they're gonna have to get something going
Speaker 4: from him. Cam Ginerella, I know he's maybe talking about
Speaker 4: him later. I don't think he's anywhere close to big
Speaker 4: league ready yet. But the good thing that Miami drafted
Speaker 4: him second last year because he could be kind of
Speaker 4: a similar ballplayer to Marsity in some ways.
Speaker 2: And real quick, Isaac just wanted to touch on this.
Speaker 2: Tomorrows are carrying three catchers on their roster. Now we
Speaker 2: saw this last year. It's Brian Olveraretto, it's Joe Mack,
Speaker 2: and it's it's Liam Hicks. What do you think is
Speaker 2: the thought process behind that. I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: spoken anyone in the organization about this, because it's certainly
Speaker 2: interesting that they did this right and they decide to
Speaker 2: bring back Kicks and Grand Pauli, who to his Credit
Speaker 2: had a really good serve, Louis gets option, and now
Speaker 2: you're left with a third base combo of Leo Jimenez
Speaker 2: and Javier Sonoha. So I found that to be a
Speaker 2: little interesting because I thought Paully definitely was the best
Speaker 2: of the three, at least the better of the three.
Speaker 2: Where do you think they stand on that Navaretto did
Speaker 2: actually catch a game. I think this looks like it's
Speaker 2: more of it'll be a Hicks and Stours at first
Speaker 2: base type thing, and they'll swap the DH spot too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was surprising to me. Pauli going is you
Speaker 4: don't really send a guy like him, You don't call
Speaker 4: him back up just to send him back down for
Speaker 4: Liam Hicks. It just felt a little bit strange. We
Speaker 4: know how they feel about Navaretto. I think their goal
Speaker 4: is to maybe keep him post playing career in some
Speaker 4: capacity in the organization. But I'm not sure if you know,
Speaker 4: in the middle of a playoff hunt, if now is
Speaker 4: the time to be holding a roster spot. We know
Speaker 4: what he can do behind the plate. We've seen him
Speaker 4: throw a guy out already this year, But with Pauli,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure you could have showed more in his
Speaker 4: two games that he played since getting called up, and
Speaker 4: they just send him back down when he offers excellent
Speaker 4: defense at third base, left headed bat. I know they're
Speaker 4: a little bit they would like some more right handed hitting.
Speaker 4: We know that for a fact, So maybe they felt
Speaker 4: it was a little bit superfluous to have him on
Speaker 4: the roster. But it felt a little strange. I have
Speaker 4: these three catchers there splitting time when you're really not
Speaker 4: gonna put any of them at first base, with Stalwars
Speaker 4: pointing their son. It was a head scratcher for sure.
Speaker 2: All Right, So let's get into our mid season awards.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do MVP Cy Young, the best and worst
Speaker 2: loss of the season, the first first half, prospect of
Speaker 2: the year, and then at the end we'll do each
Speaker 2: one kind of like a prediction time, one realistic trade
Speaker 2: target that we think the Marlins will acquire, assuming there
Speaker 2: are in any position to buy, which at the moment
Speaker 2: they're currently tied for to that third wildcard spot, but
Speaker 2: Saint Louis does have the tiebreaker because just I think
Speaker 2: it's like a one zero point one percent higher one
Speaker 2: percentage than the Marlins. But let's start with them. V
Speaker 2: I think this one's going to be consensus. But Isaac,
Speaker 2: I'll let you start. Who is the Marlins MVP in
Speaker 2: the first half of the season.
Speaker 4: Well, it's a team leader at f WAR and it's
Speaker 4: their starting shortstop, and it's Auto Lopez. I don't think
Speaker 4: they could have They've had a better individual season in
Speaker 4: a good bit from a single player, back to back
Speaker 4: seasons over three and a half war. He's going to
Speaker 4: probably reach five this season. And it's just been really
Speaker 4: a breath of fresh air to have such tremendous upside
Speaker 4: and talent at that short supposition, so much so that
Speaker 4: we haven't seen in a long time that, I say,
Speaker 4: since Hanley Ramirez. Otto Lopez is having one hell of
Speaker 4: a year.
Speaker 2: Hey, j I'm assuming yours is Auto as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's hard to go with anybody
Speaker 3: but Auto at this point.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's been consistent throughout the year. I
Speaker 3: think whenever he went on this this kind of role,
Speaker 3: people were kind of thinking, all right, but how long
Speaker 3: is he gonna be able to extend this? How long
Speaker 3: is this going to keep going? And he keeps extending it.
Speaker 3: I mean, the way he takes a be's it's something
Speaker 3: that his back to ball skills is unreal it. It
Speaker 3: reminds me of sort of like an old school player. Sometimes,
Speaker 3: like he gets the two strikes, he shortens up, hits
Speaker 3: the ball to right center. He doesn't. He never seems
Speaker 3: like he's out of a of an a B. He
Speaker 3: never gives him away. Then when he's on the bass pass,
Speaker 3: he runs a bass pass really well, and he posts.
Speaker 3: He plays a premium position and he plays almost every day,
Speaker 3: and he plays it. He does a really good job
Speaker 3: at shortstops. So I think this is the spark plug
Speaker 3: for the Marlins. He's the mister consistent and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: he's a guy that I think we've we've all said
Speaker 3: this before that you know, probably has a would have
Speaker 3: had a good shot to start the All Star Game
Speaker 3: if he was on any other team, possibly because of
Speaker 3: how how great he's performing and and he's he's uh yeah,
Speaker 3: he's he's the All Star man. He's been. He's been unreal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Auto right now leads all Baseball and batting average hits.
Speaker 2: He's tied for second in doubles. Actually, he's up there
Speaker 2: in triples as well. He has four triples this season,
Speaker 2: which they did not expect to see Otto there, but
Speaker 2: here we are. But yeah, that is the team MVP
Speaker 2: by far auto. I think he got off to a
Speaker 2: little bit of a slow start in terms of the defense,
Speaker 2: but he seems to finally be picking it up and
Speaker 2: definitely helps when you have some consistency there with your
Speaker 2: partner Xavier Edwards at second base who probably was a
Speaker 2: contender for this award as well, and I'm sure Max
Speaker 2: was too, but and Liam Hicks too. He deserves some
Speaker 2: love too. He's been really good, especially you know, came
Speaker 2: off the eel and he's been good.
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Speaker 2: But Cy Young, I think this one's also unanimous. Age,
Speaker 2: I'll let you start off. I'm assuming you're gonna go
Speaker 2: with Max. And if it is Max, why is he
Speaker 2: the all star for the Marland suit? Why should you
Speaker 2: join Auto lobas in Philly?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, I mean so, yeah, it is Max Mayer.
Speaker 3: That's no surprise. I think if you ask most Morelands fans,
Speaker 3: they're going to say Max Mayer. And he's just been
Speaker 3: consistent man, and to be able to turn that leaf
Speaker 3: to be able to turn to flip that switch to
Speaker 3: overcome some of the things that were limited before is huge,
Speaker 3: and because because everyone that's in the big leagues has
Speaker 3: a certain ceiling that they can achieve, and it's not
Speaker 3: often that that you that you see guys achieve that ceiling.
Speaker 3: And Max Meyer is getting close. He's getting close to
Speaker 3: that ceiling to where you can see a consistency of that.
Speaker 3: And so the way he's been able to flip it mentally. Now,
Speaker 3: this last start will challenge him mentally a bit. Maybe
Speaker 3: possibly in the past, maybe one of those bad starts
Speaker 3: kind of progressing to another bad start, But I feel
Speaker 3: like he's flipped the switch with mentally to be able
Speaker 3: to flush whatever happens, whether good or bad, and go
Speaker 3: out there and be consistent. So what he's been able
Speaker 3: to do, man, I mean he matched the seat the
Speaker 3: franchise best start record with nine to zero. You know,
Speaker 3: he's worked deep into games, he's leading the rotation in
Speaker 3: strikeouts every fifth days pitched, given the team a chance
Speaker 3: to win, and you know, honestly, going down, let's say
Speaker 3: the Marlins continue on this process, He's gonna be one
Speaker 3: of the guys that's gonna help you know, get to
Speaker 3: the playoffs and help win some playoff games, you know.
Speaker 3: So you know, he's he's been everything that the Marlins needed,
Speaker 3: and it's been really really fun to watch Isaac.
Speaker 2: Is Max Smyer an extension candidate for this team. I
Speaker 2: know he's on a little on the older side of things,
Speaker 2: but when you look at extension candidates, stone though, the
Speaker 2: guys that we spoke about in the off season unfortunately
Speaker 2: just haven't lived up to that to garner an extension.
Speaker 2: And then now we're talking about like, hey, maybe Joe
Speaker 2: Mack like this is like this is a legit player, right,
Speaker 2: But Max Smyer, I mean they did something to this
Speaker 2: guy where they added these pitches. They didn't think the
Speaker 2: fastball was good enough last year, it's improved this year.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming this is also your your Cy Young. If
Speaker 2: it's not, you can mention who your sy Young is.
Speaker 2: But is this an extension candidate for the Marlins.
Speaker 4: I won't no offense taken that he's on the older
Speaker 4: side of things, since he's twenty seven and I just
Speaker 4: turned twenty eight a couple of days ago. Nofense, But
Speaker 4: Max Meyer, I'm not sure, I'll be honest, I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna act it. I don't know. I don't think so.
Speaker 4: They've got him for three more years under club control.
Speaker 4: Who knows what the next collective arguing agreement will entail,
Speaker 4: whether they'll need to add some payroll. Maybe that's the
Speaker 4: guy that you can extend. But it's just one season.
Speaker 4: Since he was drafted in twenty twenty. This is the
Speaker 4: first time he's really broken down in a big way.
Speaker 4: And kudos to him. He's having one hell of a year.
Speaker 4: He should be a nationalgue All Star. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if they if they want to, they need to. I
Speaker 4: think their sites are focused on maybe other guys to extend,
Speaker 4: but I really don't know if he's the guy to
Speaker 4: extend their ability concerns and whatnot. However, he is most
Speaker 4: certainly my Cy Young Award winner for this first half
Speaker 4: of the Marlin season. I know wins don't really matter
Speaker 4: as much, but if you're nine and one and he
Speaker 4: just sa his first loss on July first in Colorado
Speaker 4: after just giving him wonder and run, he's sporting a
Speaker 4: minuscule two five three e r A. It's a three
Speaker 4: win pitcher. He's just he's leading this staff in every
Speaker 4: way and that's the stuff with a pretty good Samuel Cantada.
Speaker 4: So without a doubt, Max Meyer is the is the scion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Max right now a two point three f four
Speaker 2: ninth in the National League, and his e r A
Speaker 2: right now is also I believe top ten, Yeah, sixth
Speaker 2: in the National League. So you should be in Philly.
Speaker 2: There's there's another way to put it. This one I
Speaker 2: found pretty tough. Best and worst, best win, worst loss, Isaac,
Speaker 2: I'll go to you first. We could start with the win.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of them to go through. There's some
Speaker 2: good wins for sure, but best I couldn't pinpoint one.
Speaker 2: There's a couple that have in my head. But I'll
Speaker 2: see what you guys have to say and then I'll
Speaker 2: make my choice.
Speaker 4: Oh, I see, well for the best for them for
Speaker 4: the best win. I am a sucker for pitching duels,
Speaker 4: love zero zero ball games and hence the bird grants
Speaker 4: Land was awesome. However, I think a very big win
Speaker 4: for this team was Sunday. You were there, Kevin Sunday
Speaker 4: at Tropic Canna Field, that game that sandy pitch gave
Speaker 4: up a run. Burt ties the game with a home run.
Speaker 2: Well correct, due that was the Saturday game, but continue
Speaker 2: Sunday they lost Sugar You're right, that was Saturday.
Speaker 4: The Saturday win. Burt ties it and then they get
Speaker 4: to go ahead running the ninth, Fairbanks flows the save,
Speaker 4: and then they score away. It was an eight runs
Speaker 4: in the tenth inning. I think that was really a
Speaker 4: hell of a ball game, just so many a roller
Speaker 4: coaster of emotions for that one. Because you think they're
Speaker 4: gonna lose, no doubt whither they're not going to score.
Speaker 4: Bert comes back and hits a home run. I think
Speaker 4: it was his first of the year, which is just
Speaker 4: shocking and just a whole turn of events for that
Speaker 4: ball game. I think that was one of the crazier
Speaker 4: wins of the season.
Speaker 3: Hey, Jay, so mine's going to be a little bit.
Speaker 3: It is a win, but it's more of a series
Speaker 3: win for me. And that was whenever they beat the
Speaker 3: Nationals because that started a extremely hot June. It started
Speaker 3: consistently playing. It started one of the best months in
Speaker 3: franchise history and honestly provided some confidence to a club
Speaker 3: who had been inconsistent of the previous months. And you know,
Speaker 3: Max Meyer dominated for seven innings the offense. I believe
Speaker 3: that was a series when they went back to back
Speaker 3: to back homers, and from that point forward, man, they've
Speaker 3: really cemented themselves as a legitimate wild card contender instead
Speaker 3: of simply just trying to stay around five hundred. So
Speaker 3: for me, that was one of the biggest wins was
Speaker 3: that series sweep of the Nationals. That propelled them basically
Speaker 3: to where they are now and helped them gain ground,
Speaker 3: help them get confidence, and kind of helped absorb a
Speaker 3: little skid that could come later, because that's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: You know you're gonna go through a point where you
Speaker 3: don't not playing as good baseball for whatever reason. You
Speaker 3: know the dog days of summer are coming pretty soon.
Speaker 3: So to put yourself in position to stay in striking
Speaker 3: distance and for the end of the year to be
Speaker 3: able to play your best baseball. I feel like they
Speaker 3: that set them on the right path and put them
Speaker 3: where they are now.
Speaker 2: So Isaac took the one I was originally gonna say,
Speaker 2: the Tampa game.
Speaker 4: I was there.
Speaker 2: That was a fun game. I'm gonna go with the
Speaker 2: Marlins the last age I was here for this one.
Speaker 2: Actually the Marlins win against the Yankees. The one way
Speaker 2: they scored six unanswered. The Marlins had kept it pretty
Speaker 2: close to the Yankees the day before, they should have won.
Speaker 2: Bullpen imploded to come back and do what they did,
Speaker 2: especially with how crazy that was where Pete had to
Speaker 2: start the game. Yes, Chris Paddock was Marlin, you were
Speaker 2: supposed to start that game. Went in there and kind
Speaker 2: of kept you in it. The Marlins went out there
Speaker 2: and scored six un answered. Graham Paulli with a huge hit.
Speaker 2: At the time, I thought that was a huge one
Speaker 2: for the Marlins. That was a fun game too. Easter Sunday,
Speaker 2: you'll take it. The other one. I was thinking that
Speaker 2: was the Sandy complete game. That was a fun game too.
Speaker 2: Just the way he pitched, the way he looked early
Speaker 2: on in the season was great. And I mean any
Speaker 2: of the June games are fun, right. The Martins of
Speaker 2: that game against the most recent one I would look
Speaker 2: at is like that Cardinals game. The first one that
Speaker 2: was a fun game. It was a close game. Max
Speaker 2: Smyer pitched one. Yeah, it was a great game. You
Speaker 2: had like the little ring deling in between. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with the Marlins went over the Yankees. You could
Speaker 2: even look at the Dodgers one too, the one after
Speaker 2: where Tyler Phillips finally got in and got the save.
Speaker 2: I think that'll lead to worst loss. But yeah, but Isaac, yeah,
Speaker 2: worst loss. You could go for it.
Speaker 4: I thought about that Dodger loss. So you can't call
Speaker 4: a loss against the best dynasty in the history of
Speaker 4: basel off loss even though it really maybe it makes
Speaker 4: it more fresh, maybe it should be. But my tough
Speaker 4: loss was when I was on my vacation and in Atlanta,
Speaker 4: that game on April fourteenth, where Pete Fairbanks is using
Speaker 4: the eighth inning. They got a couple run lead and
Speaker 4: Dom Smith just rolls a ball up center field to
Speaker 4: win the game for Atlanta at the bottom of the eighth.
Speaker 4: I remember watching that at the bar in Jamaica. I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh shit. It was early in the season, and I
Speaker 4: don't love to put so much weight on a game
Speaker 4: and a loss that was literally two weeks end of
Speaker 4: the season. But that one was just a gut wrench,
Speaker 4: if I remember correctly, it was. It was a tough
Speaker 4: one and it sort of started a little bit of
Speaker 4: a of a losey streak as well. So that one
Speaker 4: is my tough loss.
Speaker 2: Go for it.
Speaker 3: Uh, my tough loss was when they played the Mets.
Speaker 3: That when they got the final game where they got
Speaker 3: swept and they lost ten to one to the Mets.
Speaker 3: And I guess that's all I could say with that, man,
Speaker 3: but that was horrible. You know, I was there calling
Speaker 3: that game, and man, it just looked it just the
Speaker 3: vibe was just off. And you know, Jack was like,
Speaker 3: hey and Steven, uh, you know the guys that are
Speaker 3: on the radio, Jack McMullen, Steven Strong. They were like,
Speaker 3: you know, how do you recover from this? What do
Speaker 3: you do? And I'm like, honestly, you flushed this whole
Speaker 3: series down the toilet. That's what you do. You don't
Speaker 3: think about anything that just happened. You just let that
Speaker 3: go and you focus on, uh competing against the Nationals,
Speaker 3: which I think that I believe that was the next
Speaker 3: series if let me see real quick, if I'm correct,
Speaker 3: I think yep, And that's whenever they they kicked off
Speaker 3: their their their good June. So to me, that was
Speaker 3: the worst loss of the year so far, but one
Speaker 3: that propelled them to their best UH win in series win.
Speaker 3: I feel like over the Nationals that propelled them to
Speaker 3: where they are now. But yeah, I remember I was
Speaker 3: sitting there like, man, they getting worked like this against
Speaker 3: the Mets, Yeah, it would getting work, man, just getting
Speaker 3: punching ribs and they just had to take it. It's
Speaker 3: like all right, you know, move on, let's go to
Speaker 3: the next one. And they were able to turn the
Speaker 3: page and you know, then the rest is history. With
Speaker 3: how they performed in June.
Speaker 2: That really was a low point and that may have
Speaker 2: been the lowest point of the year when they got
Speaker 2: out of Queen's We thought it was over at that point,
Speaker 2: like you know, you're tiring in starting to think like
Speaker 2: maybe it's over. But I'm going to go further back
Speaker 2: than both of you, and I'm going to say that
Speaker 2: it was the game against the Reds. I knew it, dude,
Speaker 2: where they took out Sandy and they eventually imploded. There's
Speaker 2: no other way to say it. That was by far
Speaker 2: one of the most frustrating moments in that and especially
Speaker 2: it's just not just because they lost, Like what Sandy
Speaker 2: said after where he felt like they need you want
Speaker 2: to be spoken to. And I'll say this, it was
Speaker 2: the Colorado start where Clayton came out and he spoke
Speaker 2: to Sandy, so he kind of did he finally kind
Speaker 2: of realized, like you got to talk to him.
Speaker 6: It's like Mish asked him after that, would you have
Speaker 6: done anything differently? No, not at all, and then he
Speaker 6: does it differently every time after that, It's okay, like, yeah,
Speaker 6: you you know that one wasn't done well, like what
Speaker 6: he did.
Speaker 4: It completely differently every single time he was taking out Sandy.
Speaker 4: He talks to him first. Now he learned his lessons,
Speaker 4: which is funny.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is that was frustrating for a couple
Speaker 2: of days too, because they should have they should have
Speaker 2: won that game. That game was won for them until
Speaker 2: they literally talk him out. I think we did put
Speaker 2: in like Bender, I think, and and he ended up
Speaker 2: blowing it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's never Bender wasn't He
Speaker 3: wasn't right just yet. Yeah, because honestly, that is the
Speaker 3: right move. Now, how they went to do it was
Speaker 3: not the right way to do it, obviously when you
Speaker 3: think about it analytically and like trying to check your boxes,
Speaker 3: like that is the right move, except for Bender wasn't,
Speaker 3: uh the version of Bender that we've seen recently, you know,
Speaker 3: before his injury. So yeah, that's uh that that that
Speaker 3: one was a tough one right there. I'm with you
Speaker 3: on that one.
Speaker 4: Especially when you just consider all of the out of
Speaker 4: you know, off the field of ramifications that that brought in,
Speaker 4: all the negative pr all the quotes post game. It
Speaker 4: really felt like the world was colliding on everyone, on
Speaker 4: all of us. And fortunately and now it just feels
Speaker 4: like a fart in the wind.
Speaker 2: Real people probably forgot this happened now, the way that
Speaker 2: they've been playing this last Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I said, like I said, if no one will remember,
Speaker 4: and hey, well we remember it because we were there
Speaker 4: in it was just a tough day. Man. We saw
Speaker 4: Cleon get out from his chair and I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 4: he's gonna do it now. Oh wow.
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Speaker 2: go first.
Speaker 4: It's between two guys right. Unfortunately that we've been dealing
Speaker 4: with some injuries down on the farm for some of
Speaker 4: their higher key guys. But I'm gonna have to go
Speaker 4: with Kim Kanarella. I'm I'm a sucker for a good centerfielder,
Speaker 4: a good position player prospect that they just haven't been
Speaker 4: able to develop in recent years. And it looks like
Speaker 4: maybe they've got a couple in last year's draft, and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to go with Cam All. All the
Speaker 4: data suggests that he's really hitting the ball pretty hard.
Speaker 4: He's a solid hitter, hit first bat, first guy. He's
Speaker 4: gonna play excellent center field. Maybe not the arm that
Speaker 4: you'd want in that position, but it looks like a
Speaker 4: real ballplayer. He's being promoted, aggressively, staying healthy, and he's
Speaker 4: some of them you could see in the major leagues
Speaker 4: next year.
Speaker 2: A Joe, we know you're not the big prospect. You're
Speaker 2: not like us here when it comes to the prospects.
Speaker 2: But who who from from a year in knowledge, who
Speaker 2: wh would you say you have told you had spoken
Speaker 2: to us about mill Brandt? Cam Canerella? You know, yeah,
Speaker 2: is your your first half prospect?
Speaker 3: Well that's the little Camarella was the guy that I
Speaker 3: was gonna I was gonna pick just because all of
Speaker 3: the all the news that I've seen on him recently,
Speaker 3: he's you know, hitting some bombs down on the farm.
Speaker 3: Uh you know, uh yeah. I've never been really the
Speaker 3: biggest prospect type person because I feel like you got
Speaker 3: to show me something, and you got to show me
Speaker 3: something in the big leagues. But from what I understand that,
Speaker 3: you know, the Marlins do have some some great prospects
Speaker 3: that are they're developing down there, and honestly, if they're
Speaker 3: developing the way that they developed some of the major
Speaker 3: league talent up here, there's some good things that are coming.
Speaker 3: They seem to have the system down to maximize uh,
Speaker 3: each guy's a bill and so it's been fun to
Speaker 3: watch that on the big league level, and I imagine
Speaker 3: a lot of that is going on the minor league level.
Speaker 3: And if you're consistent enough with that, once the guys
Speaker 3: get up to the big leagues, they may not feel
Speaker 3: the same type of pressure that maybe some other guys
Speaker 3: feel because the proof is in the putting, the proof
Speaker 3: is in the work, and you just continue doing that
Speaker 3: work in the big league level and allow your talent
Speaker 3: to shine. So but yeah, that's that's my spill on that,
Speaker 3: and Camilla is the guy that has been most on
Speaker 3: my radar recently.
Speaker 2: There you go. I'm gonna go with mill Brandt. I
Speaker 2: think it's only right. I still don't know exactly what
Speaker 2: his outlook looks like in terms of the big league level,
Speaker 2: if he could be a mid rotation guy where that
Speaker 2: still stands because he has struggled a little bit in
Speaker 2: terms of the walks since coming up the Triple A.
Speaker 2: But what he did in Double A was nothing short
Speaker 2: of awesome. Like he had twenty seven straight scoreless innings,
Speaker 2: which is tough to do the most in Pensacola history
Speaker 2: for that, I guess affiliate. Yeah, he's been really good.
Speaker 2: He's going to the future game. So he's the only
Speaker 2: Marlins prospect to go to the Futures Game. I think
Speaker 2: Cannerella got snubbed. But yeah, he's been really good. There's
Speaker 2: another way to say it. I don't know if Isaac
Speaker 2: wants to touch on the possibility of a mill Brant
Speaker 2: call up laid into the year. I think it's unlikely,
Speaker 2: just from what I remember you guys spoke to Craig.
Speaker 2: He did say unlikely to happen. But if the Marins
Speaker 2: find themselves in a position where they really need some
Speaker 2: pitching and mil Brandt maybe begins to lower the walks
Speaker 2: and begin to see the guy that we saw more
Speaker 2: of a double A than the one we're seeing right now. Shoot, dude,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to do it. Let's look at the
Speaker 2: trade deadline. Then this was our last one one realistic
Speaker 2: trade target for each but really quick Marlins. Right now
Speaker 2: forty six and forty one tied for the third and
Speaker 2: final wildcard spot. They're tied with the Cardinals, So yesterday
Speaker 2: it would have been a golden opportunity to seize the
Speaker 2: uh that third wild card spot so takes sole possession
Speaker 2: of it because the Cardinals lost the Braves. If the
Speaker 2: Marlins would have won, they would have jumped the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: They have another opportunity at that today, thankfully against the
Speaker 2: against the Rockies. We're recording this on Thursday, right before
Speaker 2: the series finale. Isaac, you were on Foul Territory. You
Speaker 2: spoke a little bit about it. How do you think
Speaker 2: the Marlins begin to attack this At what point do
Speaker 2: you think it becomes real like this team is gonna
Speaker 2: add I know that teams like to wait, but it
Speaker 2: really does feel like the National League is starting to
Speaker 2: finally take some shape in terms of where teams stand.
Speaker 2: American League is a totally different conversation. But the Marlins
Speaker 2: find themselves right there, like really close. And then you
Speaker 2: look below the Marlins, it's teams that are over game
Speaker 2: out or two games out, and we're starting to finally
Speaker 2: see some order in terms of what this could look like.
Speaker 4: As long as two things happen, As long as one
Speaker 4: the July does not completely flip on them, and they're
Speaker 4: even hot July trees of just half as well as
Speaker 4: June did. And then two. As long as there's not
Speaker 4: more than two or three teams in between them and
Speaker 4: that final card spot, you will be seeing them add.
Speaker 4: Will it be you know, crazy Terrek school type of No,
Speaker 4: But I do think they're gonna add they're gonna look
Speaker 4: at a couple of holes in that roster. I think
Speaker 4: they're gonna look at a third basement for sure. We
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier in the show when your options are Leboel Jimenez,
Speaker 4: who they still like a lot, pavirs Sonoha Graham, Pauli
Speaker 4: Codnor Norby. I think there's definitely room to improve there.
Speaker 4: So I think they are going to look outside the
Speaker 4: organization for third base, as well as some sort of
Speaker 4: arm I'm sure if it's a reliever only doesn't seem
Speaker 4: like they want to go that route. It sounds like
Speaker 4: to me they want to get another, you know, long
Speaker 4: relief type guy that can also spot start for them
Speaker 4: if need be, just because you know, you can never
Speaker 4: have enough pitching depth. And I mentioned there may be
Speaker 4: hesitants to call up certain guys. So I think those
Speaker 4: two areas of the team I could see them adding.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna get into names because I truly don't know,
Speaker 4: but I think those two positions could be filled.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you actually have a name, but
Speaker 2: if you do, by all names.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Man, I'm the worst.
Speaker 4: It's July bro.
Speaker 3: It's more than the worst at speculative stuff like all
Speaker 3: season shows and stuff, you know, like who should people get.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm the worst at that stuff.
Speaker 4: Because I think it doesn't even know who he wants.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I didn't know that. I do know that.
Speaker 3: It's it's like Isaac said that it's gonna be very
Speaker 3: calculated and it isn't going to be a huge style
Speaker 3: pick up. You know, it's gonna be something that under
Speaker 3: the radar style pick with someone with with a lot
Speaker 3: of upside, possibly that maybe you haven't seen the town
Speaker 3: talent reach that ceiling level, their their top ceiling level yet,
Speaker 3: So it could be someone that they see some numbers
Speaker 3: in where like, hey, we can maximize X, y Z
Speaker 3: and maybe we can be you can uh, he can
Speaker 3: be the best version of himself. So that's something that
Speaker 3: it's possible. I mean, I think that's more of a
Speaker 3: possibility than getting someone like Scoobal. Obviously that that's only
Speaker 3: a few teams are gonna be able to afford that
Speaker 3: type of haul and to give up something that big.
Speaker 3: The Marlins wouldn't want to disrupt their system, their farm
Speaker 3: system right now that is going in the right direction
Speaker 3: right now they're building. You don't want to take away
Speaker 3: from those pillars to then set yourself back. You want
Speaker 3: to continue to keep growing, and that's what they're gonna do.
Speaker 3: They're gonna build. Get someone that can that can help
Speaker 3: the process that they're in right now to keep growing,
Speaker 3: to make the lineup just a little bit better. You know, uh,
Speaker 3: maybe uh a power bat of some sort in there,
Speaker 3: guy that can slug a little bit more, you know,
Speaker 3: another I mean, you can always use another reliever even
Speaker 3: though the bullpen has been great, or another another arm,
Speaker 3: you know, another starter. I mean, you can never have
Speaker 3: too much pitching. So but I think what they should
Speaker 3: get is someone that can have a little more thump
Speaker 3: in the lineup to go with all the contact that
Speaker 3: they have as well. Although Casey and Stours, you know,
Speaker 3: those guys are starting to thump a little bit, Joe
Speaker 3: Mack as well. I mean that they're starting to thump.
Speaker 3: So it's definitely not going to be a earth shaking move,
Speaker 3: but it's definitely going to be something that can make
Speaker 3: this help this team get better if they stay this.
Speaker 4: Course, right. And the argument I made to someone in
Speaker 4: the Earth, I was like, you know, but also I
Speaker 4: understand wanting to be disciplined, but you don't know when
Speaker 4: you're gonna be in this position again. You know, like
Speaker 4: this is your six teams over five hundred or five games. Now,
Speaker 4: who knows when you're going to be put yourself in
Speaker 4: a gran position. But yeah, but you don't want to
Speaker 4: go for it all this year and then completely be
Speaker 4: asked for the next three years. So I get it.
Speaker 4: You know, it's as good as Falsel as long as possible,
Speaker 4: YadA YadA ya. But it's tough. We're sort of seeing
Speaker 4: both extremes. AJ saw it with Lori and Samson it
Speaker 4: was all in every year, no matter what, and now
Speaker 4: with Peter it's more of a disciplined approach of wanting
Speaker 4: to be as good as puzzle for as long as possible, which, hey,
Speaker 4: it may not be the sexest move, but it can't
Speaker 4: argue with the results.
Speaker 2: We saw it last year. They only made two trades,
Speaker 2: traded Sanchez and traded four times, and they kept it
Speaker 2: pretty close up until the very end. Obviously, I think
Speaker 2: this team's a lot better than the one from last year.
Speaker 2: There's a lot more length of the starting pitching is
Speaker 2: a lot better better, so they could arguably do the
Speaker 2: same thing where they maybe instead of tell they could
Speaker 2: add one guy or two now. The one guy I
Speaker 2: would love is they do need to start. I think
Speaker 2: Lewis our guy. Lewis had written about Robbie Ray. I
Speaker 2: think he's like on a weird deal. Michael Walker is
Speaker 2: a guy would like to see. He's on a one
Speaker 2: He's one more year left on the deal and then
Speaker 2: a club option. He's with the Royals. Those are teams
Speaker 2: that are clearly selling one only reason I mentioned them,
Speaker 2: so I think they need pitching. I think they really do.
Speaker 2: Because even then, like Junk, we'll see when he comes back.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I wasn't very convinced with what
Speaker 2: I saw beforehand, and I think he could actually be
Speaker 2: a great option, like a long reliever out of the bullpen,
Speaker 2: kind of the Tyler Phillips role that he had before
Speaker 2: Phillips went to be become a starter with he was
Speaker 2: like a multi enning guy. He could piggyback maybe Gusto
Speaker 2: for the time being. Who knows, but yeah, Marlins wrap
Speaker 2: up with the Rockies on Thursday. Then they start a
Speaker 2: three game set against the A's for Fourth of July
Speaker 2: weekend and it'll all end. That'll do it for the
Speaker 2: road trip, and then right before the All Star break
Speaker 2: you have the home state against the Mariners and the Guardians.
Speaker 2: So it's a very tough stretch coming up here for
Speaker 2: the Marlins. We'll wrap it up here from AJ myself
Speaker 2: and Isaac. We will see you guys all in the
Speaker 2: next one next week. Peace out and as always, go
Speaker 2: Fish