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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody to the seventy six Ers Insiders podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Lauren rose in here with Matt Murphy on the
Speaker 1: heels of Nick nurses introductory presser and our time with
Speaker 1: him on his first day as the head coach of
Speaker 1: the seventy six Ers. Matt Murphy, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Lauren Rosen, little off season podcasting here, new coaching higher.
Speaker 2: It was good to be back in the facility, heard
Speaker 2: from Darryl Murray, Josh Harris, and of course the man
Speaker 2: of the hour, Nick Nurse, the twenty nineteen championship winning
Speaker 2: coach with Toronto, the twenty twenty MBA Coach of the Year.
Speaker 2: Something Darryl Murray talked about was his winning at all
Speaker 2: different levels and stages of basketball. He's a by my
Speaker 2: account and I think els to a five time champion
Speaker 2: at three different levels. Carol, Iowa native, and you got
Speaker 2: the chance to have a one on one conversation with him,
Speaker 2: which everyone out there will here during this episode of
Speaker 2: seventy six Ers Insiders. Some really good stuff in there Obviously,
Speaker 2: you guys went pretty in depth on some things, but
Speaker 2: just from a surface level, it was good to be back.
Speaker 2: The energy was good surrounding that day.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting, Matt, There's been a lot of continuity
Speaker 1: with this roster, and I found myself sort of reflecting
Speaker 1: about how almost rare it is to speak to someone
Speaker 1: new and someone that I didn't know and haven't had
Speaker 1: experience sitting down one on one with so cool to
Speaker 1: sort of strip it down, do the research, get the background,
Speaker 1: and think about from Nick Nurse's perspective over the last
Speaker 1: ten years, of course with the Toronto Raptors, what it's
Speaker 1: been like to watch this Sixers team very up close,
Speaker 1: very personal, and now to sort of flip everything that
Speaker 1: he already knows about this team on its head and
Speaker 1: activate the things he was working to limit over the
Speaker 1: last ten years. He called what the Sixers and Raptors
Speaker 1: have shared a bit of a rivalry, and I think
Speaker 1: if you ask players on this team, Joelle Embiid Tyree
Speaker 1: Snaxy have both talked about the fact that they feel
Speaker 1: some personal beef with the Toronto Raptors, just based on
Speaker 1: playoff series, seeing them in the preseason, playing miniseriies with
Speaker 1: them in the regular season. It does feel like, while,
Speaker 1: of course we play the Raptors the baxim amount of
Speaker 1: times you can play any team, and you've probably seen
Speaker 1: them about the same amount of times as you've seen
Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics or the Miami Heat over the last
Speaker 1: few years, there is something personal there, and so now
Speaker 1: to have all of that experience that both teams have
Speaker 1: shared on the same side. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: It sounds like Nick is looking forward to it, and
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed our conversation.
Speaker 2: When you think about the handful of years he spent
Speaker 2: as an assistant coach in Toronto and then another handful
Speaker 2: as the head coach, and you talk about the scheduling,
Speaker 2: there is a familiarity there, even from our seat. So
Speaker 2: I can't imagine how heightened that is for people who
Speaker 2: are game planning against one another, whether it's members of
Speaker 2: the coaching staff or in this case, the players that
Speaker 2: we've talked about who are part of those game plans.
Speaker 2: And it feels like we all know Nick Nurse a
Speaker 2: little bit because of the last decade or so. One
Speaker 2: thing I wanted to touch on before we get to
Speaker 2: your interview is him talking about Tyrese Maxey's speed because
Speaker 2: this is just not something he's talked about on his
Speaker 2: first day as the Sixers coach. It dates back his
Speaker 2: respect for Tyrese Maxey as a player and how fast
Speaker 2: Maxie is.
Speaker 1: You saw me behind the scenes for a couple of
Speaker 1: days trying to dig up a specific quote that Nick
Speaker 1: Nurse spoke to describe Tyrese Maxey.
Speaker 2: I thought it was.
Speaker 1: In the playoffs, but I wasn't positive, and I knew
Speaker 1: it was pretty effusive. Of course, like in the NBA,
Speaker 1: it's rather rare to hear head coaches praise opposing players
Speaker 1: with the amount of I don't know, enthusiasm. I guess
Speaker 1: that Nick Nurse shared in this quote about Tyree, so
Speaker 1: I ended up finding it. It was an April twenty fifth,
Speaker 1: twenty two quote from during that series between the Sixers
Speaker 1: and the Raptors last season's opening round at the playoffs,
Speaker 1: Terresa just scored thirty eight points, his playoff career high
Speaker 1: against the Toronto Raptors.
Speaker 2: I found the quote.
Speaker 1: I read it to Nick Nurse, and if you guys
Speaker 1: want to hear the rest of the conversation, stick around
Speaker 1: for the next ten minutes or so, because here it
Speaker 1: is Nick Nurse, Welcome to Philadelphia. We are very excited
Speaker 1: to have you. You said upstairs in your intro presser
Speaker 1: that you believe this is a team that could play
Speaker 1: tonight in the NBA Finals. So when you made the
Speaker 1: decision to come here, what are those factors about this
Speaker 1: team that makes you believe they could still be playing
Speaker 1: at this point in the season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, first hand, close up look of.
Speaker 4: Playing against them, for sure.
Speaker 3: I think that the quality of the roster, the combination
Speaker 3: of Daryl Elton and I've known Darryl for a long
Speaker 3: time and their track record for putting a roster together.
Speaker 3: Ownership is second to none, you know, as I did
Speaker 3: my research and all those things.
Speaker 4: But mainly I think.
Speaker 3: It's a chance to try and try and win it all.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's what coaches are do. We get up,
Speaker 3: We get up every day trying to figure out how
Speaker 3: to get there to the end and be playing tonight.
Speaker 4: Right. So excited Joelle.
Speaker 1: Says that all the time, right, that that's the ultimate goal,
Speaker 1: is to win it all. Joel is someone that you,
Speaker 1: as an opposing coach, perhaps did maybe the best job
Speaker 1: in the league of limiting over the years. How do
Speaker 1: you even go about conceptualizing trying to now activate what
Speaker 1: you were once trying to limit when it comes to Joel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, first of all, like a lot of
Speaker 3: those things that we did, throwing everything in the kitchen
Speaker 3: sink at him, was done out of necessity.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 3: I mean, we were just trying to stop a really, really,
Speaker 3: really great player, and we would do something and he'd
Speaker 3: figure it out, we'd have to do another thing, and
Speaker 3: so the list got pretty long in the end, and
Speaker 3: it kept you know, I think again, to his credit,
Speaker 3: he kept figuring out things just scheme wise to combat
Speaker 3: what we were doing, and then he started figuring out.
Speaker 4: Things skill wise from year to year two.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad I don't have to do that anymore
Speaker 3: and play against him, because it is it is difficult,
Speaker 3: and it is nice to have a player with that
Speaker 3: skill set and mindset. I would think he's a real
Speaker 3: competitor and all those kind of things, and I think
Speaker 3: he's hungry.
Speaker 4: That was another reason I took the job. I think
Speaker 4: this team's hungry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a team that had some iconic battles with
Speaker 1: the Raptors during your time there. For better and for worse,
Speaker 1: we think about Kawhi's shot, we think about Joelle's game
Speaker 1: winner in the playoffs last season. When you think about
Speaker 1: the times that you played against this team, either those
Speaker 1: memories or are there any sleeper memories that come up
Speaker 1: for you when you think about what it was like
Speaker 1: to face the Sixers.
Speaker 3: First of all, I winced when you talked about his
Speaker 3: fade away that seemed to bother.
Speaker 4: Me more than the one that went in. That's coaching
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 3: And first of all, but just like I think in
Speaker 3: the eighteen nineteen series, again, like once we got into it,
Speaker 3: but maybe after Game three, I just kind of remember
Speaker 3: taking the team into the locker room at the arena
Speaker 3: we were practicing is here in town for Game four,
Speaker 3: and just the list of like issues that we had,
Speaker 3: you know, like there's some really good players, we don't
Speaker 3: need to go through them all, but there was so
Speaker 3: many things we had to do for each guy, you know,
Speaker 3: starting with starting at the top obviously, and then there
Speaker 3: was things that we need to do better offensively, and
Speaker 3: there was a pocket of things that we had to
Speaker 3: do just effort and energy wise, and I just kind
Speaker 3: of remember that being like, wow, that's a lot and
Speaker 3: that we had to do because that was a very
Speaker 3: very good team and an unbelievable series.
Speaker 1: An unbelievable series. Indeed, you mentioned the guys that you
Speaker 1: had to work through. Tyrese Maxey wasn't one of them.
Speaker 1: But last year's playoffs in twenty twenty two, you had
Speaker 1: some effusive praise for Tyrese. You said he's the fastest
Speaker 1: guy out there by a mile. He's super fast. With
Speaker 1: those type of guys, that's usually their whole game and
Speaker 1: it's not with him. He's also a great shooter with
Speaker 1: really great touch. A year later, he became a top
Speaker 1: five most efficient shooter in the NBA. He's gotten better.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty two. So what excites you about Tyrese today?
Speaker 3: So getting better part, Like, that's a good synopsis what
Speaker 3: I said there. So it must have been fresh after
Speaker 3: he torched us for about thirty six or thirty eight
Speaker 3: points or something. So yeah, So I mean it was, like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's kind of almost like the reverse
Speaker 3: of like the guy who was bigger than everybody growing
Speaker 3: up and just you know, dominated at the basket, like
Speaker 3: the little fast guys, even though he's not that little,
Speaker 3: but the fast guys just can use their speed to
Speaker 3: produce so much that they don't develop maybe other parts
Speaker 3: of their game are a well rounded game. But I
Speaker 3: was just amazed at how like good a shooter he became.
Speaker 3: And then you know, again like he's laid in at
Speaker 3: the front of the rim. Well, we had to do
Speaker 3: a lot of things to try to get there, and
Speaker 3: he just kept you know, the touch just part. He
Speaker 3: just kept going further and further away and still making
Speaker 3: him and it was just like, holy you know, we're
Speaker 3: gonna do here, and we really didn't figure out what
Speaker 3: to do very very well.
Speaker 4: So, but the thing I like about him is.
Speaker 3: Good dude, right, hard worker, loves the game, wants to
Speaker 3: get better, and has a ton of a god given ability. Right,
Speaker 3: that's a pretty good combination of a guy that's going
Speaker 3: to impact the team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, looking back on your career, we'll start somewhat recent
Speaker 1: and then get a little bit further back, but you've
Speaker 1: worked with Daryl Morey before, So can you tell us
Speaker 1: sort of the nature of your relationship when you were
Speaker 1: for those that don't know, the head coach of the
Speaker 1: Rio Grand Valley Vipers when he was in Houston. What
Speaker 1: your dynamic was like then and then what it's been
Speaker 1: like to stay in touch and reunite now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I kind of went there as a reason
Speaker 3: to try to develop myself as a coach. They were
Speaker 3: heavy analytics before analytics was even fashionable yet, and so
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to get in there and learn
Speaker 3: some of those things. When I interviewed for the job
Speaker 3: down there, he was like, this is going to be
Speaker 3: a total laboratory for you to try things. And that
Speaker 3: really interested me again to just try and improve and
Speaker 3: that's not that.
Speaker 4: Easy to do.
Speaker 3: You need you need backing to kind of like say
Speaker 3: we're going to do this, and then we'd be like
Speaker 3: what they say, say no, try it, you know, just
Speaker 3: see what happens, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 4: So that was good, and I just there was a
Speaker 4: lot of just collaboration away from that.
Speaker 3: Even I just remember like when the season would be
Speaker 3: over in Rio grand which is down there along the
Speaker 3: Mexican border, I'd go back to Houston and we'd we'd
Speaker 3: sit in there all day watching basketball prospects or whatever
Speaker 3: and just talking talking the game and how to how
Speaker 3: to do things, you know, like can is there a
Speaker 3: better way to do things?
Speaker 4: And or how good is this player? How does he fit?
Speaker 4: You know? So a lot of a lot of time together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of decades prior to that experience with Darryl,
Speaker 1: you spent time internationally, You coached in college. You've had
Speaker 1: a plethora of stops, but it's been a while since
Speaker 1: you've had to start fresh after ten years in Toronto, right,
Speaker 1: So what can you take from those experiences starting over
Speaker 1: over and over again through your youth of coaching, into
Speaker 1: this experience starting over today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like just kind of kinaund logically. Like one
Speaker 3: thing I do know is that the first six months
Speaker 3: of taking a new job in the NBA is really something.
Speaker 3: It is really a whirlwind of intensity that I didn't
Speaker 3: really know when I got.
Speaker 4: The raptor's job. So I was, you know, I understand.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, here we go, here we go, Like six
Speaker 3: months is going to be something. So that is a good,
Speaker 3: good experience to have been through. And just like all
Speaker 3: the other stops, I don't even know if this is
Speaker 3: your question or not, but I'm just was like I
Speaker 3: was always just trying to learn stuff and try stuff
Speaker 3: and get put in so many, so many situations of
Speaker 3: like you know, boxing one or only having six players
Speaker 3: available for a game, or having a great team and
Speaker 3: all of them getting called up one day to the
Speaker 3: NBA and the d League and having to teach really fast.
Speaker 3: You know, all those all those kind of things just
Speaker 3: add to an experience, you know, and a growth experience.
Speaker 4: But you know, like mostly it's.
Speaker 3: How can you connect the team, how can you get
Speaker 3: them to play a little bit harder? Right, like, just
Speaker 3: continually trying to experiment with how that can work. And
Speaker 3: I think that's really like two really huge things of winning.
Speaker 1: Basketball away from the court or I guess adjacent to
Speaker 1: the court. I'm told that you travel with musical instruments.
Speaker 2: I used to don't anymore.
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to think about that.
Speaker 4: I used to for sure. I don't know why we're
Speaker 4: going to do that going forward, but go ahead with you.
Speaker 1: Sorry to meet an interrupt I'm curious where that passion
Speaker 1: came from, how important it is to balance basketball with
Speaker 1: life and what music sort of means to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so just you know, my mother's side of the
Speaker 3: family was really musical. I'm the youngest of nine kids,
Speaker 3: and we all had to kind of try to do
Speaker 3: something with music other than.
Speaker 4: Just play sports.
Speaker 3: It was a struggle for most of us because we
Speaker 3: really played a lot of.
Speaker 4: Sports, so.
Speaker 3: And just kind of now for me it is total
Speaker 3: like my.
Speaker 4: Zone place. I guess play a little bit. I'll listen.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is, we use it at practice to create energy.
Speaker 4: And I try to learn.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a stretching like like of create you know,
Speaker 3: your mind, so you can maybe hopefully some of that
Speaker 3: stuff gets stretched to be creative in my day job, right,
Speaker 3: day night, whatever job.
Speaker 1: This is right, Yep, that's awesome, and hopefully you'll get
Speaker 1: embedded in the Philly music scene.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, can't wait.
Speaker 1: Last question, I promise it's okay. You said in your
Speaker 1: intro pressor that you don't vibrate in the frequency of
Speaker 1: the past. Clearly you've learned a lot from your past
Speaker 1: understanding that we're not vibrating in that frequency. Though. What
Speaker 1: do you think the future looks like for this sixer team?
Speaker 1: What do you hope the future looks like while you're here?
Speaker 3: Well, I really kind of mean that like an incredible
Speaker 3: tradition here, but it doesn't really have to do with
Speaker 3: what we're trying to accomplish next year, right, good or bad?
Speaker 3: There's a lot of great tradition here and then we're
Speaker 3: in this little second round thing that everybody wants to
Speaker 3: talk about. Doesn't even like enter my mind right like,
Speaker 3: like I'm just trying to figure out how we can
Speaker 3: get this team to play its.
Speaker 4: Best basketball when it really matters.
Speaker 3: I don't think last year of the year before, ten years,
Speaker 3: before twenty years has anything to do with that.
Speaker 1: Awesome well, we look forward to watching that future with you.
Speaker 3: Thanks a long time, you got it, anytime, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks of course to Nick Nurse for sitting
Speaker 1: down with us on his first day in the facility.
Speaker 1: It was awesome to just see the facility through his
Speaker 1: eyes on his first day. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: energy in the building, a lot of positivity around the
Speaker 1: new head coach, and just awesome to get to know
Speaker 1: him a little better. He was super candid, super comfortable,
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed the conversation for sure.
Speaker 2: The part about him learning on the first six months
Speaker 2: of a new job, particularly a new NBA job, is
Speaker 2: really interesting and like the first day and the first week,
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine he's done a time a ton
Speaker 2: of interviews. I'm glad that we got your unique interview
Speaker 2: in the mix here. A lot of people have seen
Speaker 2: some clips and seen the video on the six Ers
Speaker 2: YouTube channel, but for our podcast network listeners, maybe people
Speaker 2: from the Twitter spaces community, people who are hearing it
Speaker 2: in audio form, It's just one of many media hits
Speaker 2: that he has done. I know it comes with the territory,
Speaker 2: and I'm not feeling bad for him in any sort
Speaker 2: of way, but in our limited exposure to him, he
Speaker 2: was very personable to everyone and he met a lot
Speaker 2: of people. I've been telling everybody I'm reading Nick Nurse's
Speaker 2: book Rapture. I'm like halfway through, so I have to
Speaker 2: finish it because I'm at the part where he becomes
Speaker 2: the Toronto Raptors head coach. But some of my takeaways
Speaker 2: about maybe who he is as a person, or some
Speaker 2: insight into his personality that we saw on display when
Speaker 2: he was meeting everyone, is that he's this lifelong learner.
Speaker 2: And before the conversation there, I mentioned his different coaching stops.
Speaker 2: He's been a lot of different places, multiple kinnes, multiple leagues,
Speaker 2: multiple teams. Something that I think is interesting is how
Speaker 2: he's worked to develop as a communicator in this job.
Speaker 2: So quick fact is that he has his PhD from
Speaker 2: Concordia University, and he's very interested in how people learn
Speaker 2: and kind of developing these relationships. So I'm interested to
Speaker 2: see how that goes with the players on the team,
Speaker 2: because he's someone who's always striving to get better, better,
Speaker 2: not just with x's and o's. It's well documented that
Speaker 2: he's a very smart basketball coach, but I think over
Speaker 2: his career he's really worked to become a well rounded
Speaker 2: basketball coach and leader and has experience.
Speaker 1: Of course, I liked hearing about his relationship with Darryl Morey,
Speaker 1: the way that the two of them used the Rio
Speaker 1: Grand Valley Vipers.
Speaker 2: As talking G League now, of course.
Speaker 1: As an opportunity to not necessarily pilot and like brand
Speaker 1: new concepts in the NBA, but try new things and
Speaker 1: see what works, see what doesn't. And then it's been
Speaker 1: cool to see him sort of apply a lot of
Speaker 1: those concepts he talked about Darryl giving him the freedom
Speaker 1: to experiment with in the G League as head coach
Speaker 1: of the Raptors, And of course you follow that whole
Speaker 1: world a lot closer than I do, but you've shared
Speaker 1: with me a lot of different things about what his
Speaker 1: reputation was like in the G League, the lasting impact
Speaker 1: he's had there. So for you to have followed him
Speaker 1: through that phase, in this phase, what do you make
Speaker 1: of that part of his experience as he joins the
Speaker 1: seventy six ers.
Speaker 2: I think it really helps, particularly in the regular season.
Speaker 2: So on the one hand, you have his playoff winning
Speaker 2: percentage being very high at sixty one percent, But when
Speaker 2: you're talking about the grind of an MBA regular season,
Speaker 2: the lineup can look different at times, and in the
Speaker 2: G League the lineup always looks different. So he's learned
Speaker 2: how to have his system in place so that anyone
Speaker 2: can do it and execute it, and you can kind
Speaker 2: of mix and match different pieces in what is a
Speaker 2: long season. And then something I've heard for years in
Speaker 2: the G League from various coaches and executives is their
Speaker 2: goal is to win, but another is to have the
Speaker 2: group as many players as possible leave the season in
Speaker 2: a better situation than they were when they came in.
Speaker 2: And that I think originates with Nick Nurse when he
Speaker 2: was a G League coach. He wanted to elevate guys
Speaker 2: to the NBA or even to better teams in Europe
Speaker 2: or anywhere. Overseas and at the NBA level, I think
Speaker 2: it still applies. I think you can still help guys
Speaker 2: improve their individual careers, win individual awards, and have it
Speaker 2: lead into team success. So at first glance, it might
Speaker 2: not appear that that G league principle of the two
Speaker 2: different things, winning and better situations applies directly, but I
Speaker 2: think it does well.
Speaker 1: He's talked about it on some other shows shout out
Speaker 1: to former sixer JJ Reddick and The Old Man and
Speaker 1: the Three. But something that stood out to me when
Speaker 1: he talks about sort of what his initiatives are as
Speaker 1: a head coach. It's, of course, to win, but it's
Speaker 1: also the words he used is to raise the market
Speaker 1: value of each player.
Speaker 2: On the team.
Speaker 1: And of course Nick Nurse, someone who has a reputation
Speaker 1: for playing maybe shorter rotations or higher minute loads for
Speaker 1: similar guys, also has a reputation for growing young guys
Speaker 1: into really useful NBA players, And I loved hearing him
Speaker 1: talk about the way that Joel Embiid's market value is
Speaker 1: obviously as high as it can get for an NBA
Speaker 1: player right now, Tyrese Maxey approaching that same sort of caliber,
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of younger players on this
Speaker 1: team whose values can still rise and cool to imagine
Speaker 1: what it's going to be like to have Nick Nurse
Speaker 1: working with Jaden Springer, working perhaps with returning free agents
Speaker 1: or new sixers that we don't even know yet. I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing how he applies that principle to
Speaker 1: this roster, and of course growing roster as the off
Speaker 1: season continues.
Speaker 2: One thing we know for sure is that he is
Speaker 2: going to do the work when he knows who he
Speaker 2: has at his disposal in order to maximize what those
Speaker 2: what the lineups can do on both ends of the floor.
Speaker 2: One thing we do not know for sure is if
Speaker 2: he will bring his guitar on the road with them.
Speaker 2: He sort of downplayed the music side of his background.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's one of those things where maybe
Speaker 2: he's gotten asked about it and he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: make his whole it's not his false thing. Sure, yeah, music,
Speaker 2: but he's interested in music a piano guitar. He may
Speaker 2: or may not be traveling with a musical instrument this
Speaker 2: coming season, so we'll have to report.
Speaker 1: Back on interested in what it was like to be
Speaker 1: the youngest of nine kids as well. I would imagine
Speaker 1: as a coach, and of course in this situation, it
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily the case at the beginning of his coaching career.
Speaker 1: He's been coaching since he was twenty two to twenty
Speaker 1: three years old, but at this phase he is the
Speaker 1: oldest of the players on the team. But I wonder
Speaker 1: what it was like growing up in that type of
Speaker 1: environment and how team building and group cooperation, collective cooperation
Speaker 1: he might have had a let's say, very very significant
Speaker 1: leg up on other people when it comes to figuring
Speaker 1: out how to work with different personalities and coexist with
Speaker 1: different personalities. So of course looking forward to seeing how
Speaker 1: that might shine through as we watch him closer.
Speaker 2: As Daryl Morey said, it's one step. The head coach
Speaker 2: position being filled is one step to what the Sixers
Speaker 2: organization hopes is many steps that eventually leads to an
Speaker 2: NBA championship, another NBA championship for this storied franchise. But
Speaker 2: it's a good step, it's an exciting step, and it's
Speaker 2: good to jump back on here and talk about some
Speaker 2: fresh seventy six Ers news with you always.
Speaker 1: Of course, great to be back on the seventy six
Speaker 1: Ers Insiders podcast. More content to come. As the off
Speaker 1: season goes along, Matt Murphy and I already looking forward
Speaker 1: to NBA Summer League, which is just around the corner.
Speaker 2: So we appreciate you as always.
Speaker 1: Matt, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you. We'll be back for it. Thank you everybody
Speaker 2: for listening.