1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: You don't have to dip forever. You know that, Ryan, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: you don't have to smoke forever. And the reason I 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: say it like that is I have been that guy. 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: I've been that guy. I dipped for so long, and 5 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: what would happen is I would decide I'm gonna quit. 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: It's bad for me. I'm gonna quit. I'm a man, 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: I don't need any help. I'm just gonna quit cold turkey. 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: And I would fail time and time and time again. 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: I tried things like the patch, it didn't work, gum, 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: sunflower seeds. I tried at all. 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It is an ask Doctor Jesse Friday. 21 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: We have Donner Party continuation here in a moment you 22 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: thought yesterday was dark, Yesterday was the beginning. You know, 23 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 1: it does occur to me. I do the ask Doctor 24 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: Jesse Friday because it's the end of the week. Everyone's stressed. 25 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: Let's have some fun. I tell you we're not gonna 26 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: do too much news. Don't want to bring anybody down. 27 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: And then I'm doing a show on annibalism. Maybe maybe 28 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: I should have gone a different direction this week, Chris, 29 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: I'll be fine. What people need to know, not making 30 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: this stuff up. It's better than the stuff BK says, Gosh, 31 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: that freaking guy. But it isn't Ask doctor Jesse Friday 32 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: eight seven seven three seven seven four three seven three 33 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,559 Speaker 1: eight seven seven three seven seven four three seven three. 34 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: I have a stack of emails here. I will take 35 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: phone calls. Let's have some fun, just as soon as 36 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: we're done with our little westward expansion. I am not 37 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: recapping yesterday for you if you missed part one of 38 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: the Donner Party saga. Every podcast is available at the 39 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: touch of your fingers on iHeart, Google, Spot of By, 40 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: and iTunes Go. I would highly recommend you listen to 41 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: part one of this story before we get to now. 42 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: So let us pick up where we left off. They 43 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: have just finished crossing the salt flats. They are now 44 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: in trouble, and they're starting to know they're in trouble. 45 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: They got across the salt salt flats, they obviously lost 46 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: many of their oxen, They lost some of their stuff. 47 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: They're eating up all their food, They're drinking up all 48 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: of their water, and honestly, food, water, oxen, all these 49 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: things may actually pale in comparison to that other critical, 50 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: precious thing. They are losing time. Remember what I told 51 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: you yesterday. It is not some fly by night process 52 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: to just pack up everything and head out west. People 53 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: were well aware of the various dangers from tribes, well 54 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: aware of the dangers from weather. If you were heading 55 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: out west, you went to this outpost first, and then 56 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: this fort first, and then and then you made sure 57 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: you left by this date, because this date you have 58 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: to be here, and by this date you have to 59 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: be there, and by that date you have to be there. 60 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: Is a time frame period. And not to dwell on 61 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: something relatively minor, but something you and I actually probably 62 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: take for granted, almost undoubtedly take for granted. You see, 63 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: we live in a world now of climate control. You 64 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: don't really think about it, right, I don't really think 65 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: about it. But where can't you live right now? Okay, 66 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: Antarctica is like an extreme example. But no matter where 67 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: you are in America, Here's what I know. No matter 68 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: where you are in America, unless you're outside exercising as 69 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: you hear my voice right now, you are existing at 70 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: seventy two degrees or five degrees either side of that. 71 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: I know that for a fact. Why do I know that? 72 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: Because you live in a climate controlled life. Now, your 73 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: climate controlled in your car, your climate controlled at your work, 74 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: you are climate controlled in your home. You realize how 75 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: recent that is when you look through the lens of history. 76 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: Oh don't get me wrong, Man's been building fires and 77 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: things like that, But you realize how recent it is. 78 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: You walk up to a knob on the wall, I think, 79 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: I'll decide what ampture I want it to be in 80 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: here and turn it to that, and it just goes there. 81 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. What I'm saying is for most of the past, 82 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: huge things, not tiny things. Although those two but huge 83 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: things were decided based on the weather, based on the 84 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: time of year, until the Mongols came along and blew 85 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: this whole thing out of the water. Armies didn't even 86 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: campaign in the winter. It's the craziest thing in the world. 87 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: I mean, full blown occupations. Caesar. We talked about it 88 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: last I think it was this week, Caesar's takeover of Gaul. 89 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: He's in the middle of Gaul in a war with 90 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: the Gallic tribes. They're there too, and the winter comes 91 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: and everybody's just like, WHOA, all right, we'll see you 92 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: again in the summertime, and everyone just goes to winter 93 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: quarters there. They don't even go home. Do we have 94 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: the cabins built right? I hope there are fires in there. 95 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: Everything just stops. Oh we're not moving in the snow. 96 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: What are you out of your mind? Moving in the snow. 97 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: Timing is everything, and the Donner party is losing time 98 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: and they're losing it fast and now. Because they're losing time, 99 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: they're losing food, they're losing water, they're losing oxen. They're 100 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: also losing something else. People lose, especially people who aren't 101 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: close and aren't trained together. They're losing tempers. How are 102 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: you when you're hungry. I am not proud to admit. 103 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: I will still raise my voice and maybe gently throw 104 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: something if I'm hungry enough and they get my order wrong, 105 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: and I get home and I sit down to eat 106 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: in the tire orders wrong and there are tomatoes all 107 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: over it or something. You might hear me and be like, oh, 108 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,119 Speaker 1: I can't say it on the radio, but and it'll 109 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: depend what I say on whether or not the kids 110 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: are in the room. That's me sitting down to the 111 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: Jack in the box burger at home. What if you 112 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: just crossed the Great Salt Flats and you're starving and 113 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: you're thirsty, and things are going poorly, and now the 114 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: resentment you remember read We talked about read yesterday with 115 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: the double with the double, you know, the two tower 116 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: car or wagon with the money had a way about 117 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: him that people didn't like. They actually had when they 118 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: split off and went this way, when you know the 119 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: rest of the wagon train went the normal way and 120 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: they went this way when they took the cut off 121 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: Hastings cut off. They actually had an election to decide 122 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: who was going to be the next captain, who is 123 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: leading this They're smart enough to realize one person has 124 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: to lead it, and Read is the obvious choice. He's 125 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: the strongest personalities making all these decisions. They picked Donner 126 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: talk about the all time bad luck. That's actually why 127 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: it's called the Donner Party. Truth be told. Donner is 128 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: a relatively minor player in this story compared to Read, 129 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: and it's forever known as the Donner Party. It sucks, 130 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: but they didn't elect Read. Guy was not well thought of, 131 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: which brings us to this point. The going is now 132 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: very very very difficult. Have you ever hiked or traveled 133 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: through difficult terrain? Here's the thing about nature, about the 134 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: things God created. You can feel this on the ocean, 135 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: you can feel it during natural disasters. You can feel 136 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: it in the mountains and the hills and the wilderness. 137 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: It mules insurmountable. It feels like it can't be defeated. 138 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: They are not going along at a trail now that 139 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: is made for oxen, that is made for wagons. They 140 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: are having to chop their way through this place. So 141 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: they're already behind on time. They're already short on food, 142 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: they're already short on water. They're so short they actually 143 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: have already sent two guys ahead to California to go 144 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: get re supplies and bring them back food. They're starving. 145 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: And on top of that, they're having to cut a trail, 146 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: not just walk down a trail, and something really violent happens. 147 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly, You're never completely ready to adopt a teen. 148 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: For late nights writing English papers are your teen's music taste, 149 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: for dinners where they talk more on their phone than 150 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: with you. For the first time they call your mom. 151 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: You're never completely ready to adopt a teen, and you 152 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: can't imagine the reward. 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You hire people to run your 170 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: oxen teams, right, one of them gets frustrated someone else's 171 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: wagon gets tangled with his. He gets out, starts beating 172 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: one of the oxen with the wooden handle of his whip. 173 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: Read again, this is read poorly thought of Read, and 174 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: this will come into play for a moment. In a moment, 175 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: Read goes running over there, they have an altercation. The 176 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: story goes the teamster hits Read in the hits Read 177 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: in the head with the wooden handle and then rears 178 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: back to hit him again. Read, to his credit, busts 179 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: out a hunting knife and jams it into the guy's chest, 180 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: pulls it out of the guy's chest. The guy stumbles 181 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: a few feet dead. Now imagine that scene of the desperate, tired, hungry, 182 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: thirsty people, and now you have a death on your hands. 183 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to call it a murder. They actually 184 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: decide to put Read on trial for murder. This is 185 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: how poorly he was thought of. I cannot find an 186 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: account of what happened here that doesn't sound like I mean, 187 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: either blatantly self defense, but certainly not murder. I'm talking 188 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: somebody turned a wagon on its side and said, let's 189 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: hang him right now. They have an impromptu trial where 190 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: it's decided somehow, some way that they will banish Read 191 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: instead of putting him, instead of hanging him. Now keep 192 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: in mind, that's borderline a death sentence anyway. And they 193 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: wanted to banish him without weapons or anything. And they 194 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: are in Indian country, as we are about to find out. 195 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: And he still has to eat. He couldn't carry enough food. 196 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: You gotta kill your food. But Read gets banished. Now 197 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: Read is gone. It does not get better from there. 198 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: The wagon train continues. There was an older man. He 199 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: was an immigrant, I believe from Sweden if I remember right. 200 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: He is sickly, extremely sickly. And there is a lot 201 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: of work, a lot of physical labor taking place. You're 202 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: by everybody. Don't think anybody's sitting around Now everybody's chopping 203 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: and shoveling and moving and except for this guy. This 204 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: guy's not able to do anything. He's not physically healthy 205 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: enough and shamefully, but this tells you where they were mentally, morally, 206 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: however you want to put it. They kick the man 207 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: out of the wagon and leave him there and he 208 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: was never seen again. Getting ugly. Now, and let's talk 209 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: about where they are here. They're not in settled territory, 210 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: yet I keep calling it Indian territory. Let's keep in 211 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: mind the Indians very much viewed this as their land, 212 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: and they were not pleased about a bunch of white 213 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: dudes stomping through their claim in it for themselves, shooting 214 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: all the animals, making a bunch of noise, trashing the place. 215 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: And frankly, I wouldn't have appreciated it either, and neither 216 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: would you. So this next part of the story is 217 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: often looked at its just flat out cruel, and it 218 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: is a bit cruel, But part of me understands the Indians, 219 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: a group of Indians, they start killing the oxen and cattle, 220 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: They start shooting poison arrows at them and killing them 221 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: and laughing as these white people are dying and starving, 222 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: making it worse and worse and worse. Like I said, 223 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: it's getting bad, and we're not even to the ugly 224 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: parts yet. Now this is I mean, this is the 225 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: part of the story right here that really drives it 226 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: home to you that these people should never have left civilization. 227 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: Because here's what happens. Remember when I said they sent 228 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: two guys ahead go get food and such, they come back. 229 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: What I should say, one of the two comes back. 230 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into One of the two 231 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: comes back with the resupplies. Pat I believe it was 232 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: seven mules full of resupplies. This is awesome, right, we 233 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: can yes, let's yes, let's eat them. Let's go, we 234 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: can do this kind of. They chose to rest and 235 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: replenish at this time. And when I told you timings everything, 236 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: they're already behind. They took a few days off. Let's 237 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: rest up. I mean, we got food. Now we're gonna 238 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: be fine. Let's rest up. Took another few days. Oh, 239 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: this is a nice river. These people had no business 240 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: being out here ever, And it is I will tell you, 241 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: unless it comes from heaven, I don't really believe. And 242 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: cursed things, cursed journeys. Maybe I should. But the things 243 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: that happen here and happen to these people. Right now, 244 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: somebody gets shot in the back and dies, you know how, Oh, 245 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: just an accident, just moving around. Someone out his finger 246 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: on the trigger, like an idiot shot. Somebody killed him. 247 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: Guy was a husband, wife and kids were right there. Died. 248 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: They had to bury him. This is how it's going. Now, 249 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: they're moving, they're trying to get over the Sierra Nevada, 250 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: or they have to get over the Sierra Nevadas before 251 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: winter gets there. And now even though these idiots keep 252 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: taking breaks, now they are desperate because it is starting 253 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: to get cold. They're looking up and they talk about this. 254 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: They're starting to see some white capped peaks in the 255 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: mountains out there. Oh and the Donner family, remember this 256 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: is this is just it's more than just the Donners. 257 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: It's the Donners that reads. It's other families, it's single people, 258 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: but the Donner family specifically boom wagon breaks. Now they're 259 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: at the point and they continue to do this. I 260 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what's wrong with these people. 261 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a failure of leadership, if 262 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: there's too many bad people involved. But instead of everybody stop, now, 263 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: let's get the Donner wagon fixed, they leave the Donner 264 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: family behind and everybody just moves on. Hey, hope you 265 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: catch up, good luck. And I'm not there. I'm not there. 266 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the Donners insisted, oh you guys going, I 267 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not there. But the selfishness of so 268 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: many people in this story, and some selflessness, not to 269 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: be honest, but the selfishness of so many people in 270 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: this story. You just when terrible things happen, sometimes people 271 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: just band together and join together and get through it. 272 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: And sometimes I don't know what the difference is, and 273 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: sometimes they don't. I lived down here in the South. 274 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: You remember Hurricane Harvey. If you're not in the Houston area, 275 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: I understand our shows national now I remember Hurricane Harvey. 276 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 1: Was that hurricane, not a terrible hurricane, but it just 277 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: got over Houston and stopped for five days, dropped like 278 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: forty eight inches of water on us. This entire place 279 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: was underwater. Everything you see. There was no looting. There 280 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: were the Cajun Navy coming from the Louisiana, people coming 281 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: from all over the country bringing their boats. People just 282 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: hitching up a boat personal boats. Oh, we gotta drive 283 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: down and help everybody around here, and I mean everybody 284 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: around me on a boat. This person's in trouble. Get 285 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: in your car. We gotta go see this. His mom's 286 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: trapped in there. And it was without a second thought, Hey, 287 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: let's go where we're moving. Everybody joined together was one. Honestly, 288 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: it's maybe the most inspirational thing I've ever seen in 289 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: the United States of America because I was here, it 290 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: was astounding. But juxtaposed that with what happened in Katrina, 291 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: the worst thing in the world happened to those people, 292 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: and they shot and stole from each other. I don't 293 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: know what changes, what the difference is, but it's going 294 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: from bad to worse. Here. You need some gold as 295 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: part of your portfolio. It's time. I know what you're thinking. Oh, 296 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: but it's too late. I know it's not gold. Alliance 297 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: knows what they're doing. 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That's gold Alliance dot com slash jesse. 307 00:22:42,600 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: Go there today, get your gold Ira. You need one. 308 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: Donner wagon breaks down. They leave the Donner family behind 309 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: and they march on and they are now within miles 310 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: of the summit. They can smell it. They have to 311 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: get there, and it starts to snow, and they were 312 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: looking at this white stuff falling from the sky in 313 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: absolute horror because they knew what it meant for them 314 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: if they did not get to that summit before that 315 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: snow socked in. And it's not a couple nice flakes 316 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: like in those Christmas movies. You love. It starts to 317 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: dump and now they're pressing forward and pressing forward, and 318 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: they're almost there and they have to get to them 319 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: it except now the snow is starting to bunch up 320 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: on the ground more and more and more, and now 321 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: they're running into two foot snow drifts, three foot snow drifts, 322 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: four foot snow drifts, five foot snow drifts. You know 323 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: what a drift is. It means if it was a 324 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: flat plane, it wouldn't all be five feet deep. They 325 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: didn't get five feet of snow, but because of winds 326 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: and where certain things are in certain areas, you'll have 327 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: five feet of snow. I've been in places in Montana 328 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: with snow drifts deeper than that. You definitely you get 329 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: these in the mountains all the time. You get in 330 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: an uneven terrain. They get a quarter mile from the 331 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: summit and they have to turn back. Remember all that 332 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: time I told you about yesterday, They missed summoning by 333 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: one day. If they had gotten there yesterday, they make 334 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: it over. But they didn't make it over. In case 335 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: you're wondering, Donna back there, he's miles He's about six 336 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: miles away at this point. He's back there trying to 337 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: fix his own wagon, which is broken. I mean again, curses, 338 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: I mean maybe I do believe in curses. Donner injures 339 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: his hand and injures his hands severely while trying to 340 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: fix his wagon. Injures it so badly. He's one handed. 341 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: So he's got women and kids trying to help him 342 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 1: fix things, and he just can't do it. The Donner 343 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: family just flat out accepts we are all alone and 344 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: we're going to have to stay here, and they start 345 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: setting up a camp. The rest of the group, separate 346 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: from the Donner family, finds a lake. There was a 347 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: lake up close to the summit, and they decide this 348 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: is where we have to stay. They're desperate. The snow 349 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: is pouring down. They start setting up lean two's. They're 350 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: killing the oxen and using the oxen hide as rooftops. 351 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: They're freezing. They're hungry, not dying of thirst. That's that's 352 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: at least something you don't have to worry about in 353 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: the snow, But hunger you do very much. So one 354 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: day from the summit, Now remember Read who'd been banished. 355 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: Read knew his family was in very deep trouble, because 356 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: remember how much trouble they were in when he left them. 357 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: And how desperate would you be. Remember it's his wife, 358 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: it's his children in there, and he gets kicked out. 359 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: What level of desperation would you have? He gets over 360 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: to a place called Sutter's Fort. This would be like 361 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: if you made it. If they had made it, they 362 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: would have got to Sutter's Fort. Apparently they say. The 363 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: guy looked half dead when he got there. He's about 364 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: starved to death. He begs for help at the fort, says, 365 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: my people are dying. My family is dying. This whole 366 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: party is dying. I need a rescue team, and I 367 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: need a rescue team right now. We have to go 368 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: back and get them, as any father and husband would, right, 369 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: let's go, we gotta go get them now. He actually 370 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: gathers people together, to everyone's credit. Yes, let's go. Let's 371 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: rescue him. They put together this big rescue operation and 372 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: they charge back towards the Donner party, and they can't 373 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: get through the mountains. They can't get back through. You see, 374 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: this isn't even a normal winter again, Leaving curses. This 375 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: one breaks records for snowfall. They turn around. Reid, of 376 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: course didn't want to. You would die before you just 377 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: left your wife and kids out there. But he knows 378 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: he can't do it by himself, so he goes back 379 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: to the fort, goes back to Sutter's fort, starts trying 380 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: to put together another team. Hey, all right, this one failed. 381 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: We need a new team. We are desperated. My wife 382 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: and kids are out there dying. Help can you help? 383 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: Can you help and get this. We had just started 384 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: a war with Mexico over California and other places. All 385 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: the young men had just been called off to war. 386 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: There was nobody left to help. They said, sorry, no 387 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: more rescue missions for you. Now there's nobody here. Now 388 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: the cattle are starting to die. You see, cattle, they 389 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: need what you need, food like anything else. Guess what 390 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: they don't get when there's feet of snow on the ground. 391 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: They can't get down to the food to The cattle 392 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: were dyeing. The cattle were being killed. People are freezing 393 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: and saving whatever they can. They're eating the meat. They're 394 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: now at a point where their diet is consisting almost 395 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: exclusively of meat, which doesn't sound like the worst thing 396 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: in the world until you realize you have other nutrients 397 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: your body desperately needs. How much fresh fruit do you 398 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: think they're picking out of five foot snowdrifts in the 399 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 1: Sierra Nevadas and the meat itself as the animals are 400 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: running out. I know what you're thinking, Jesse, why don't 401 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: they just go hunting? They're in the mountains. Well, you 402 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: have to understand this, you city slickers. In the mountains. 403 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: Animals don't live in five foot snow drifts either. In fact, 404 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: I used to hunt all the time, you know, deer 405 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: and elkin, things like that in the mountains of Montana. 406 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: And would you would gauge where you were going to 407 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: hunt them based on where the snows are. They'll stay 408 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: as high as they can. But you know, you look 409 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 1: up and the mountains stocked in with snow, you know 410 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: they're going to be low. They have to go down 411 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: where they can work their way down through the snow 412 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: and eat the grass. What I'm trying to tell you is, 413 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: if you're stuck close to a mountaintop on a lake 414 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: with five foot snow drifts, the deer aren't sticking around. Jack, 415 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: the deer are gone. Even the bear they tried to hunt. Bear, 416 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: What do bears do in the wintertime? Kids, Bears hibernate. 417 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: Bear ain't walking around either. There aren't natural animals to kill, 418 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: certainly not enough to feed them there even and this 419 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: is an another weird thing. Some of them are grouped 420 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: together around this lake. You know, you'll get two families 421 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: here or two families there, but they spread themselves way out, 422 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: like half a mile apart, a mile apart. It's inexplicable 423 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: how these people divided and separated in so many in 424 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: so many cases, it's inexplicable. It's awful. Cattle were dying. 425 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: They make the winter camp donners are still separated. They're 426 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: now running out of food, and now that they're out 427 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: of food, they're starting to make I don't even know 428 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: if it's fair to call it soup. They're starting to 429 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: make soup out of ox hide, where they're boiling ox 430 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: hide with water and get this wood chips and things 431 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: like that, trying to get just more things into their body. Apparently, 432 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: they say it had a consistency like glue. Some people 433 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: at first couldn't even eat it. It was so disgusting. Yeah, 434 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: it's exactly what you would think. It's like you're eating 435 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: Elmer's paste. This is how desperate they are. It's about 436 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: to get even worse. The Jesse Kelly Show on air 437 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: and online at Jesse Kelly show dot Com. Wake up 438 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,959 Speaker 1: and text, Text and eat, Text and catch the bus, 439 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: Text and miss your stop. Wait wait wait wait, Text 440 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: and be late to work Sorry, Text and work, Text 441 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: and pretend to work, Text and X surprised when someone 442 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: calls you out for not working. Text and meet up 443 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: with a friend. You haven't seen in forever. Text and 444 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: complain that they're on their phone the whole time. Text 445 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: and listen to them complain that you're on your phone 446 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: the whole time, text and whatever. But when you get 447 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: behind the wheel, give your phone to a passenger, put 448 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: it in the glovebox. Just don't text and drive. Visit 449 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: stop texts, Stop rex dot org. A public service announcement 450 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: brought to you by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 451 00:33:42,120 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: and the AD Council. The malnutrition is starting to get 452 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: very bad now. People were starting to die from it, 453 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 1: and now they're doing the right thing where they figure out, okay, 454 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: we have to we have to attempt some sort of 455 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: a breakout. We have to send somebody over because remember 456 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: there's no text messaging. They don't even know that anyone's coming. 457 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: They certainly don't know Read is trying to organize things. 458 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: Remember Read's been banished. They probably think he's dead. They 459 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: don't know what's coming. And I should mention from earlier. 460 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: I didn't mention them earlier. Remember the guys who they 461 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: sent two guys ahead and came back with supplies. The 462 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,439 Speaker 1: guys didn't only come back with supplies, they came back 463 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: with two Indian guides. These were Indians. They were going 464 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: to help them out. I forget their names, not that 465 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: I would give you their names anyway. You know, I'm 466 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: not big on names. But these these people at the lake, 467 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: they decide we have to try to get out of here. 468 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: So they put together a group of fifteen men and 469 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: women and one boy twelve years old. They viewed these 470 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: as being the healthiest, strongest people who could try to 471 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: make the trip. By the way, wrap your mind around 472 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: that and consider that I have an eleven year old son. 473 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: He turns twelve in I think eight days or something. 474 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: I don't know what his birth is. Do I give 475 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: him enough responsibility? Oh? You know me? I gave him 476 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: a ton? But a twelve year old boy was part 477 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: of the fifteen man dangerous breakout crew. They are trying 478 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: to break out. They know they need to break out. 479 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: But remember, think how hard it is to prepare. Think 480 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: how hard it is to pack for a week on vacation, 481 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: or if you're going to see your mother in law 482 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: God forbid or something like that. Now imagine trying to 483 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: pack the food you need for a breakout for fifteen 484 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:13,399 Speaker 1: people when there isn't food around. I'll have the flank steak. No, No, 485 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: not that, the one with the Cajun seasoning. No, does 486 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: anyone to have any extra wood chips for my journey. 487 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: They have to pack food while also leaving enough food 488 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: for the people behind. And let's keep in mind now, 489 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 1: I haven't wanted to dwell on this, but I told 490 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: you it was gonna get dark, and we're gonna get 491 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: frank about it today. There are children here, lots of children, 492 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: three year old, babies, sixty seven, eight years old, nine, ten, eleven. 493 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: There are kids everywhere, So you can't just take all 494 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: the food. Sorry, kids, best of luck. They take six 495 00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: days worth of food. This fifteen man breakout crew. They 496 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: charge on, they charge on, and after six days they 497 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,399 Speaker 1: had to their credit. They had constructed some snowshoes, which 498 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: you have to have snowshoes to move through the snow. 499 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: If you don't know what they are, it's essentially like 500 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: a gigantic like picture, like a big mesh extra wide foot. 501 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: You put on the bottom of your foot, You strap 502 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: it to the bottom of your shoe, and what happens 503 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: is you don't sink down into the snow anymore. You'll 504 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 1: sink down a little. Yes, that's a great way to 505 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: put it, Chris. A tennis racket, that's exactly what it is. 506 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: In fact, a tennis racket would work great. You would 507 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: strap a tennis racket on the bottom of your foot, 508 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: and that's a snowshoe. So they charge on. They make 509 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: it six days. They're now out of food. They still 510 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: have to keep going because they know if they turn 511 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: back they're gonna die. And now the fifteen man breakout crew, 512 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: now they're dying to one man. In fact, the man 513 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: who went ahead and got the two Indian guy and 514 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: brought that back and brought back resupplies to his name 515 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: is Stanton. He sits down and says, go on without me, 516 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: I'm done, and they leave him there. The last they 517 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: saw him, he was sitting in the snow, dying, smoking 518 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: his pipe, saying goodbye. In case you thought this cursed 519 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: trip couldn't get any worse, they're also going blind at 520 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: various period of periods of time that breakout crew. There's 521 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,799 Speaker 1: a thing, if you've never lived in the snow, there's 522 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: a thing called snow blindness. You know, here's the best 523 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: way I can describe it. You know, when you watch 524 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: the Winter Olympics and you see all the skiers and 525 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 1: snowboarders and all these things. What do each and every 526 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: one of them have on, not just goggles, tinted goggles, 527 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: heavily tinted goggles. Why do you think they would want 528 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: heavily tinted goggles. The snow it's similar to water, only 529 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: it's worse, and the sun reflects off it and magnifies 530 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: off it. It will blind you. If you get up 531 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 1: in the mountains and the sun shines and there's snow 532 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: all around you and you don't have sunglasses, you can 533 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: get snow blindness so bad. And it happened to these 534 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: people where you will go flat out blind for a day. 535 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean pitch black blind. You can't see anymore. 536 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: And this is happening to the Breakout crew while they're starving, 537 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,920 Speaker 1: just trying to get through. I mean, you talk about 538 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: you talk about bad things on top of other bad things. 539 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: They get to a point they're starving so much they 540 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: actually sit down, and this is the first time on 541 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: this trip where they have the talk, we're all hungry, 542 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: we're all going to die. There's only one thing we 543 00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: could possibly eat around here. And they draw straws because 544 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: they decide they can't wait for someone to die naturally, 545 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 1: they have to kill somebody. I am. One in three 546 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: adults has pre diabetes. One in three. That means it 547 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: could be you, your football buddy, your fruitball buddy, or 548 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:44,839 Speaker 1: you your best man, your worst man. You you're a dogwalker, 549 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: your cat jugger. While one in three adults has pre diabetes. 550 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: With early diagnosis, pre diabetes can be reversed. Take the 551 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: risk test at do I have pre diabetes dot org? 552 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: That's do I have pre diabetes dot org? Wait, did 553 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 1: they just say one in three adults has pre diabetes. 554 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: That's thirty three point three three three percent of adults. 555 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,840 Speaker 1: That means it could be me my boss or my 556 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: boss's boss, or me my favorite sister or my other sister. 557 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: That's seven members of my twenty one person romantic book club. Wait, 558 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: the one in three could be me my karaoke partner Carol, 559 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: or my karaoke enemy, Jeff. I'm gonna take the risk 560 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,280 Speaker 1: test that do I have pre diabetes dot org? Brought 561 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: to you by the AD Council, and it's pre Diabetes 562 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: Awareness Partners. They draw straws to see who has to 563 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: get shot so everyone else can eat them. And I 564 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: do want to in fairness to these people, I do 565 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,439 Speaker 1: want you to under stand they agonized over this. There 566 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: wasn't anybody celebrating it. They drew the straws. Some dude 567 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: gets the short straw into their credit. They couldn't do it. 568 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: They could not do it. Now it's getting really bad though. 569 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: Snow is still pouring down. They're starving, they're freezing to death. 570 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: And the snow drifts are not five feet anymore. Those 571 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: days are long gone. We're in ten fifteen foot snow drifts. 572 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: And I want you to understand that they're on top 573 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 1: of the snow. They're ten fifteen maybe twenty feet above 574 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 1: where the actual ground is. Do you understand that? Do 575 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: you have a picture in your mind? It's going to 576 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: come into play for this next tale of horror. Hang on, 577 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: you're listening to the Jesse Kelly Show. This is the 578 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show. They're on this gigantic snow drift. They're freezing, 579 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: the snow's coming down, so they organize each other. To 580 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: their credit, this is still the Breakout crewmind you. They 581 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 1: sit touching each other, they drape a blanket over each other. 582 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: And they let the snow fall down on top of them. 583 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,760 Speaker 1: You see, snow, believe it or not, is an outstanding 584 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: insulator if you can keep yourself from actually touching it. 585 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: Why do you think igloos work so well? Igloos are 586 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,479 Speaker 1: extremely warm, extremely warm. If you can get it set 587 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 1: up right with the proper amount of heat inside it, 588 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: kind of give yourself an ice glaze on the walls. 589 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: The heat will stay in, everything will stay in and 590 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: stay together. And they're doing i mean it's obviously very rough, 591 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: but they're doing a makeshift one of those, and they 592 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 1: have a fire built and they're letting the smoke out 593 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: from under the blanket. Well, that goes really poorly. Everybody 594 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: falls asleep. You can't fall asleep with a blanket draped 595 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,879 Speaker 1: over a fire. And look, it's not their fault. You're 596 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: starving your exhaust that you're it's not you're not doing well. 597 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to stay awake. Everyone falls asleep. 598 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: The fire begins to melt down a circle in the snow. 599 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:22,319 Speaker 1: They begin to sink. They wake up and not only 600 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: has the blanket caught on fire. That's what wakes him up. 601 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: It actually says their lives. They look around and they're 602 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 1: underneath the snow. I want you to picture like a 603 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 1: big circle got driven into the snow and they're under it. 604 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: This is the breaking point for one guy. He goes 605 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,240 Speaker 1: insane and goes. He strips off all of his clothes 606 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: and goes streaking into the woods. They have to run 607 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,399 Speaker 1: him down. His mind completely breaks. He dies. The next 608 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 1: day things are things are not going well. Another guy 609 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: dies while his two daughters are holding him. If you 610 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,920 Speaker 1: thought that was the last heartbreaking thing or worst thing 611 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you today, you should probably turn 612 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,960 Speaker 1: off the radio now. It actually gets worse. And remember this. 613 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: I want you to listen. I want you to listen, 614 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: and I want you to understand. This is not a 615 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,280 Speaker 1: story from a dime store fiction novel. These are real 616 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: people this happened to and to be honest, they're people 617 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: just like you and people just like me. People have 618 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: existed like this. You're stressed out about an election or 619 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,479 Speaker 1: job or whatnot. I'm not not telling you those aren't 620 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: valid stresses. You count your blessings a little more right now, 621 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: your kids holding you while you die. Right now, the 622 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: breakout crew. Because people are dying, they make the decision 623 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:05,000 Speaker 1: it's time to eat. They start cooking the people while 624 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: they start slicing off pieces of the people in eating them. 625 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: They are cooking them on the fire and eating them. 626 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,880 Speaker 1: They are horribly ashamed of what they're doing, they say. 627 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: They cover their faces and won't look at each other 628 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: while they eat. Now, not everybody is willing to eat, 629 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: and in one of the most brutal ironies of all time, 630 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: the people who aren't willing to eat they're dying. Period. 631 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: The Indians. Remember the two Indians were part of this 632 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,799 Speaker 1: breakout crew. The Indians, to their credit, I think it's 633 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 1: really cool. The Indians will not do it. They simply 634 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: will not do it. I'm not eating people. I'm not 635 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: doing it. And get this, how crappy is this. One 636 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: of the people in the breakout crew. He says, well, 637 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,320 Speaker 1: let's kill the Indians and eat them. They're only Indians. 638 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,280 Speaker 1: Another person in the breakout crew goes to the Indians 639 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: and tells them this dude wants to kill you guys, 640 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,840 Speaker 1: get out of here. The Indians apparently looked on and 641 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,480 Speaker 1: stunned disbelief and kind of separated themselves from the crew. 642 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: Only they didn't separate fast enough. They just kind of 643 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,480 Speaker 1: wandered off. Remember when I said the people who didn't 644 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 1: eat the human flesh didn't make it very long. On 645 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,360 Speaker 1: this breakout crew, the Indians are dying too. They find 646 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,880 Speaker 1: them laying in the snow, side by side, dying, and 647 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 1: somebody pulls out a pistol and shoots them both in 648 00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:46,840 Speaker 1: the head and they eat them. That fifteen man crew, 649 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,600 Speaker 1: they're down to six now when they finally make it 650 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: back to the lake, made it back to the lake 651 00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: half dead. Well, they're relief parties, multiple relief parties still 652 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 1: being organized, and at this point in time, one of 653 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,960 Speaker 1: them actually gets there and they take they choose twenty 654 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 1: four people in total and take them out. One of 655 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: those twenty four people was Red's wife, another one of 656 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,560 Speaker 1: his kids. Read hasn't seen these people. Read's not part 657 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,600 Speaker 1: of this relief group, mind you. But Reid has his 658 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,320 Speaker 1: own relief crew coming there behind them. What I'm saying 659 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: is there was a moment where Red is coming in 660 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: and the other relief crew is pulling these twenty four 661 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: people out, and Read meets his wife in the mountains 662 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 1: half dead. Apparently it just broke him. It just broke him. 663 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: Reid has to push past her, Go on, baby, save yourself. 664 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: I have to go get my other kids. You know, 665 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,680 Speaker 1: your kid? How much do you call or your kids? 666 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 1: Remember we talked about the twelve year old the other day. 667 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,399 Speaker 1: The Red's left behind their eight year old daughter to 668 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 1: take care of their three year old son. What's the 669 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,839 Speaker 1: hardest decision you've ever had to make? Reed gets back 670 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,319 Speaker 1: to the lake and finds out the people at the 671 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,759 Speaker 1: lake are now eating each other too, And this is 672 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: going to be difficult, all right. What I'm about to 673 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,720 Speaker 1: say is probably one of the ugliest sombrous scenes I've 674 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 1: ever laid out on this show. I'm going to say it, 675 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,600 Speaker 1: and then I'm going to move past it, and I'm 676 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,359 Speaker 1: not going to repeat it. But I think you need 677 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,839 Speaker 1: to know it. You need to know this is what 678 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 1: people have gone through. They're not only eating the adults, 679 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,359 Speaker 1: they're eating the children when they die. People are going 680 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:51,280 Speaker 1: insane with shame, insane with hunger. And there's a story 681 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,279 Speaker 1: about a child I believe, don't quote me on this. 682 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: I believe the child was a little over a year 683 00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: old sitting by his mother, calling her name, and his 684 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: mother is sitting there dead, half eaten, with parts of 685 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: her off the story ends. In total, there were about 686 00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: eighty seven people, forty six survivors. I believe they get out, 687 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: they tell their tale. Very few of them obviously advertised 688 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,439 Speaker 1: the cannibalism part. The one guy who did came out, 689 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,800 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I ate people. I had to to survive. 690 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 1: He was ostracized from society. The story, as you can imagine, 691 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,719 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I know you're a little spellbound right 692 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: now too. Gosh, I am just telling it. The stories 693 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,799 Speaker 1: you can imagine, is so horrific. They remember all that 694 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:03,640 Speaker 1: massive immigration out west. Westward immigration to the West virtually 695 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,400 Speaker 1: comes to a stop because of how horrific this story 696 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,920 Speaker 1: is and does not pick up again until they find 697 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,880 Speaker 1: gold in California. The story is so bad. The Donner 698 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: Party story is so bad it temporarily stopped westward expansion 699 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,040 Speaker 1: in America. So if you're horrified right now, just know 700 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:34,279 Speaker 1: the entire country was horrified. Should be noted. Did this 701 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:39,879 Speaker 1: day you can go visit Donner Pass. I actually think 702 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to go visit Donner Pass. I don't know. 703 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm not a sentimental type, but I almost kind of 704 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,840 Speaker 1: want to go pay homage to the survivors and then 705 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 1: those who perished. But I want to go see it. 706 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,120 Speaker 1: I told you it was going to get dark, all right, 707 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:26,440 Speaker 1: it's asked doctor Jesse time, Pam Jesse, Kelly backs in. 708 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 1: I actually did have a purpose for all that I hear. 709 00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,080 Speaker 1: And I'm guilty of this. So I'm not pointing fingers 710 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: at you. I here a lot of yelling and screaming 711 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,000 Speaker 1: about where we are right now because we're coming up 712 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,279 Speaker 1: on an election and it's such an important election, and 713 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 1: things are so stressful, and the media is lying and 714 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: they're not reporting this, and they're making up lies about that, 715 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,560 Speaker 1: and Biden sucks and and all these things are valid, 716 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,880 Speaker 1: and I'm not I am not doing this. I'll just 717 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:26,880 Speaker 1: let it go. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It 718 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:37,040 Speaker 1: is a big deal. However, count your blessings. Count your blessings. 719 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: You get to live here and now, because there are 720 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:49,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people who have lived through a level 721 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: of hell that you and I can't even wrap our 722 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,480 Speaker 1: minds around. Is that not that story I just read 723 00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 1: you last two days, the Donnor party story? Is it 724 00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,400 Speaker 1: not so much worse than you had imagined it be? 725 00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:13,120 Speaker 1: It's horrific people lived that. How many people do you 726 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 1: have to eat today. Your kid gonna look at you 727 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,080 Speaker 1: in the eye to day and say, Mommy, I'm starving. 728 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:28,359 Speaker 1: No Lord willing no. Keep that in mind. Eight seven 729 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,880 Speaker 1: seven three seven seven four three seven three eight seven 730 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,200 Speaker 1: seven three seven seven four three seven three. It's an 731 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,800 Speaker 1: ask doctor, doctor Jesse Friday. Remember you can email during 732 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,480 Speaker 1: the show. We get him and print them off during 733 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,720 Speaker 1: the show too. Jesse at Jesse Kelly show dot com. 734 00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,440 Speaker 1: Jesse at Jesse Kelly show dot com. Let us dig in. 735 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 1: I have a question here that is going to be offensive. 736 00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: I feel the need to let everybody know this question 737 00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:04,360 Speaker 1: is actually from a woman and it is direct. I 738 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: request it's dear, dear doctor Jesse, Oh, great and powerful 739 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,359 Speaker 1: showgun oracle, the steel of truth and wisdom that's going 740 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,920 Speaker 1: all in. I request your wisdom on the movement of 741 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:22,000 Speaker 1: quote beautiful at any size end quote and fat women 742 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,160 Speaker 1: in bikinis and leggings. Then she says, it's I'm not PC, 743 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm a marine, so on and so forth. I'll say 744 00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:38,800 Speaker 1: this one. Different people have different body types. I'm actually 745 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,000 Speaker 1: I mean they just do. I'm I'm six eight, I'm 746 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,880 Speaker 1: so long that I can put on ten or fifteen 747 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,879 Speaker 1: pounds and actually be a disgusting, out of shape, fat 748 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,359 Speaker 1: piece of garbage, and you would never tell. There are 749 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,000 Speaker 1: other people. Their genetics have them. Different body types are 750 00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,760 Speaker 1: different ways. So I'm genuine as horrible of a person 751 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 1: as I am. I am not and will never be 752 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,040 Speaker 1: one of the Oh look at the fat guy, haha? 753 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,359 Speaker 1: Did so many people if they look at a pack 754 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,719 Speaker 1: of sugar they gain ten pounds. I'll never know what 755 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,239 Speaker 1: that's like. I'll never know what that's like. But more 756 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,480 Speaker 1: specifically to the beautiful at any size thing. You know, 757 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,480 Speaker 1: I know you've seen the billboards. They have lingerie models 758 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,880 Speaker 1: that are like three fifty now and telling people that 759 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,240 Speaker 1: you have to understand how the left thinks or what 760 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,200 Speaker 1: the left thinks. There's a reason you look around you 761 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,720 Speaker 1: and it feels like so much of the world has 762 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:41,120 Speaker 1: gone crazy. Why do you think they always trash America itself? 763 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: Leftism can only come into power and exist without standards. 764 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,320 Speaker 1: You must destroy any standards. Everything has to be inclusive, 765 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,840 Speaker 1: Everything has to be equal. Equal. What who's equal? We're 766 00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,160 Speaker 1: not equal. You and I aren't equal. Me and producer 767 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,280 Speaker 1: Chris aren't equal. People have different skills. Nobody's equal. You 768 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,080 Speaker 1: may be equal in the eyes of God. I'm not 769 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,960 Speaker 1: equal to my wife. She's not equal to me. You're 770 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,880 Speaker 1: not equal to your neighbor. Equality is a total myth 771 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,600 Speaker 1: and people are obsessed with it. I'm not equal to 772 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 1: Lebron James. He's not equal to me. There is no 773 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,320 Speaker 1: equality out there. We have to be inclusive. We have 774 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:35,439 Speaker 1: to tell everybody either equal, no, actually thin or relatively fit. 775 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,200 Speaker 1: Beautiful people get to be models and actresses more often? 776 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,560 Speaker 1: Why they get to be news anchors more often? Why? 777 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,920 Speaker 1: And I'm in this business. I'm in the media business. 778 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,480 Speaker 1: I do an hour long TV show, as you know, 779 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,120 Speaker 1: every single day on the first Have you seen the 780 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:55,560 Speaker 1: women in conservative media? They all look like models. Why 781 00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,840 Speaker 1: that's what people want to look at. It's not more 782 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,000 Speaker 1: complicated than that. It's a visual product. Doesn't make them stupid, 783 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:08,120 Speaker 1: doesn't lower their skills. We're about to have Rebecca Heinrichs on. 784 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,600 Speaker 1: Rebecca Heinrichs is she's our foreign policy She's been on 785 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: several times before. She just kills it all the time, absolutely, 786 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,280 Speaker 1: drop dead gorgeous. I was at a party when she 787 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,160 Speaker 1: walked in in DC. She was about eleven months pregnant 788 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 1: at the time. The whole party stopped, like, everybody stopped talking. 789 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:29,000 Speaker 1: They're like, geez, what in the world. That's part of 790 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 1: the business, our life, and you know what, we don't 791 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:40,200 Speaker 1: all get access to everything. And life's unfair. That's just 792 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:47,040 Speaker 1: the bottom line. Life's unfair. And it's extremely unhealthy to 793 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:52,240 Speaker 1: tell people they should be gigantic because it's just flat 794 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,960 Speaker 1: out bad for your body. It's hard for your body. 795 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,120 Speaker 1: It's hard on your knees, your back, your heart. Your 796 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,000 Speaker 1: body is not made to be that size. It's just 797 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:11,880 Speaker 1: not it's just not. All right, dear showgun plumber, I 798 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:17,480 Speaker 1: need some advice. My kid produces all right. Look, I'm 799 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,120 Speaker 1: not sure should I read this email verbatim? All right, 800 01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read this email verbatim. All right. My 801 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:29,160 Speaker 1: kid produces tennis ball can size business. He's talking about 802 01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,640 Speaker 1: what he does on the John. Last week, I found 803 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,400 Speaker 1: myself stabbing a plunger into the throne, and the plunger 804 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,640 Speaker 1: got stuck inside, and as I began to remove it 805 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: from the soup, it snapped right side out and sent 806 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,840 Speaker 1: witches brew all over my face and clothing. What is 807 01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,840 Speaker 1: the proper sanitation procedure? First of all, get everybody out 808 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,240 Speaker 1: of the house and burn the home down with those 809 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 1: clothes in it, and you need to stand close enough 810 01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,880 Speaker 1: to the fire to melt that off. I'm so disgust 811 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,480 Speaker 1: did right now. I am so disgusted right now. But 812 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,560 Speaker 1: actually I have an even worse story than that. Did 813 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:13,320 Speaker 1: not happen to me. This is a real life story, 814 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,120 Speaker 1: and it's so disgusting. You know what I'm trying to 815 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,680 Speaker 1: think of, Chris. I feel like it's the show, which 816 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 1: is supposed to be light and fluffy on as Friday 817 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,280 Speaker 1: was one as dark as we've ever done in the beginning, 818 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:38,000 Speaker 1: and now now it's gonna get gross. All right, you 819 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,280 Speaker 1: know what. Here it is, here's the story. I am 820 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:47,200 Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps at the time we get word, 821 01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 1: I mean nine to eleven happens, All these things happen. 822 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm in the Marine Corps infantry and we get word, hey, 823 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,760 Speaker 1: get your stuff packed up. We are going to stage 824 01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 1: in Kuwait. Looks like we might declare war on Iraq. 825 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,040 Speaker 1: All right, it's a big deal. I mean it is 826 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 1: a big deal packing all that stuff up. Don't think 827 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,000 Speaker 1: that it's a fast process. It's a big deal. We 828 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,000 Speaker 1: get everything packed up on our planes ship over there, 829 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,080 Speaker 1: and we get too because we're not at war yet. 830 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,600 Speaker 1: This is right before the war. We get to Kuwait 831 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,040 Speaker 1: where we're having these various camps and staging areas. You know, 832 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,439 Speaker 1: this marine unit's here, this marine units there, and we're 833 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,920 Speaker 1: doing a bunch of different training and we're ready to go. 834 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,640 Speaker 1: We don't know what day it's coming, but we're ready 835 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:34,280 Speaker 1: to go. And because we are at a camp, because 836 01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,920 Speaker 1: it is the military, obviously you eat a little differently 837 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:46,160 Speaker 1: when you're on the move. Armies have borderline mastered hauling 838 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:50,520 Speaker 1: around water and food and such. Hang on, I'll explain 839 01:02:50,600 --> 01:03:04,520 Speaker 1: after Rebecca, your house smells, don't get mad. Don't get mad. 840 01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,400 Speaker 1: My house smells too. I'm not I'm not indicting you. 841 01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure you keep a clean home. But just time 842 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,400 Speaker 1: means you're going to acquire smells. Whether those are cooking 843 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,560 Speaker 1: smells that get in your paint, your carpet, maybe their 844 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,160 Speaker 1: animals smells. Maybe you're a smoker, or someone else was 845 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 1: just living creates smells. I didn't realize that my home 846 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,400 Speaker 1: had a smell to it until I got my first 847 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,360 Speaker 1: Eden Pure Thunderstorm, the greatest air purifier I've ever owned 848 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,200 Speaker 1: in my life. This thing I had it plugged in 849 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,080 Speaker 1: for two hours. I came back in the room and 850 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,760 Speaker 1: my air smells so clean. I now owned three of them. 851 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm not making that up. This thing has absolutely changed 852 01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,360 Speaker 1: me on top of what it's done from my allergies. 853 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Go get one, get two you like me, and get three. 854 01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,560 Speaker 1: Go to Eden pure deals dot com. Make sure you 855 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,920 Speaker 1: use the promo code Jesse that gets you ten bucks 856 01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,000 Speaker 1: off and free shipping. Eden pure deals dot com promo 857 01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 1: code Jesse