WEBVTT - Atlanta Monster Seized [3] 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:06.360 I asked it to get his ID and they said yes, 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:09.479 he was still sitting in his car. I still had 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:13.200 my composite sketch and I pulled it out. He had 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:15.760 these little glasses on and I drew the glasses and 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.439 I held it up and I said, anybody recognized this guy? 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.280 And it was Wayne Williams to the tee, I mean 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:34.160 it just it was just Wayne. Ironically, we caught Wayne 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.199 Williams at two fifty five am on the last day 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:40.320 of the surveillance. When we got there, we were immediately 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.159 briefed that this guy was seen on the bridge and 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.880 something hit the water. It hadn't been recovered. Of course, 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:50.640 nobody could get in that water because a it's two 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.280 fifty five am and the water but current was just outrageous. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:56.600 Somebody would have drowned and wouldn't have stood a good 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:57.920 chance of recovering anything. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.520 Anyway, I don't think up to him and. 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.640 Identified myself as a special agent with the FBI, and 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.560 I asked him immediately if he knew why he was 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.559 being pulled over, and he said, yes, it's probably because 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:14.040 about those those kids that are missing, which kind of 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:14.640 surprised me. 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.000 That was an unusual answer. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:17.759 I thought that was his answer. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.679 Well it was, you know, it's a paraphrase of it. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.559 That wasn't his verbatim answer, but yeah, it was something 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.000 like that. And the next words out of his mouth 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:28.960 was he says, you know, he said, Channel five is 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.000 really covering this very well, but Channel eleven I don't 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.160 think covers it enough. So that kind of surprised me. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.120 I remember that jumped out at me as well. 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:40.440 And Atlanta, another bonder was discovered today, but twenty third. 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:43.640 At the Police Task Force headquarters, there are twenty seven 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.600 faces on the wall, twenty six murdered, one missing. 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.160 We do not know the personilar persons that are responsible. 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.680 Therefore, we do not have the money from Tenderfoot TV 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:53.720 in house to forks in Atlanta. 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.040 Like eleven other recent victims in Atlanta, rogers are currently 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:57.920 was asphixiator. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.800 Atlanta is unlikely to catch the killer unless he keeps 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:02.520 on killing. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:04.880 This is Atlanta monster. 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.520 I asked him if I could talk to him in 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.200 my car. I told him we needed to get out 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.960 of the traffic because the tractor trailers were rolling by 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:35.880 and you couldn't hear. Plus, I wanted to interview him. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.600 I wanted to get him in my car and interview him. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.359 He agreed, real mediable, very friendly guy. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:51.480 I mean he was he nervous. No, no, he wasn't nervous. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.160 It was the first impression of well, I didn't have 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.520 one other than me telling you what he just kind 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.840 of surprised me with the media comment and acknowledging that 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.079 it was about the kids. I really didn't have much 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:02.720 of an impression. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:03.400 I was wanting to. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.400 Know more about what his story was, and eventually I 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.880 got it. He gets in the car with me, and 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.000 the first thing I asked him to do, and he 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.280 surprised me again. I said, can we have consent to 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:17.800 search your vehicle? And he said sure. 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:20.760 So we had. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.400 A consent for him that I had him sign, and 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:28.639 he signed it and let us search his vehicle. Now, 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.680 as I had walked by his vehicle, I stuck my 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.800 head in the window and looked around. There was a 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:37.480 bag of clothes laying on the floor, and there was 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.960 a pair of gloves laying on the seat. And what 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.520 really struck me though, was is that there was a 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.360 nylon cord kind of like a ski rope. It was 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:50.680 about twenty four inches long and it was knotted on 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:58.880 each end. That rope really interested me, so I started 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.480 interviewing him and ask him what he was out this 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.119 late at night, because, like I said, it was two 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:06.600 fifty five am when he got in my car. He 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.920 said that he was a talent scout and that he 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.200 had an eight o'clock appointment I think eight am the 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:18.440 next morning, but he was out trying to find their 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.400 address so that he wouldn't know where it is the 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.760 next morning and not be late. That just didn't have 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.280 an air of truthfulness to it. Nobody goes out at 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.279 two o'clock or three o'clock in the morning to find 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.479 an address to make sure they're not late at eight o'clock. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.280 I found out he was an only child. He lived 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:39.680 with his parents, his mom and dad. His dad was 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.239 a freelance photographer and his mother had been a retired teacher. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.599 They were quite elderly that he had come along pretty 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.120 late in life. He was a pretty intelligent guy too. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.159 He had a very high IQ. Word had it that 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.039 he had built an AMFM radio station in his backyard 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.200 when he was about fourteen. In the FCC. It had 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:03.000 made him tear it down. I asked the guys, I said, 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.359 search of his car over and they said yes, and 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:09.560 I said okay. So I said, if anybody any reason 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.520 for him to stay here any longer, and they said no, 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:16.400 So we let him go. There was some things there 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.400 that happened, that transpired that. 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.359 That shouldn't have happened. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.719 The FBI has always been and remains an institution that 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:30.120 is very conscious of not falsely arresting people. They've made 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:34.760 mistakes in the past, everybody does. It's a judgment call. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.360 But we did not that night want to violate any 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.719 of his civil liberties, his civil rights, and so we 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.000 aired on the side of caution. It was my decision 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.920 and let him go. What wasn't my decision is when 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.680 I asked them, I said, where is these things you 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.520 found in the car? And I went, we didn't keep 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.159 any of it, And I went, what you didn't What 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.680 I said, what about the gloves and the rope, because 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.640 I'm thinking that that's probably part of crimes that had 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.880 been committed since the people had been killed from ligature strangulation. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.599 But somewhere we dropped the ball. I was in charge, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.120 so I went ahead and took the hit for it. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.800 I said, Oh, that's just the decision you guys made. 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:13.880 And I'll back you. I don't agree with it right now, 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.880 but as far as official official word goes, and we 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.559 made that decision, and that's that's the way it goes. 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.760 Did anyone ever see Wayne toss anything over the bridge? 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.680 No, never did. But there wasn't another car on that bridge. 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.240 He was the only car there. They saw the headlights approach, 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.360 they heard the splash, and then they saw what, like 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.360 I described earlier as him appeared to just be starting 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:38.880 out again at two or three miles an hour. 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.760 Did you guys ask him that night if he tossed 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:42.839 anything over the bridge? 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:47.320 Yes, and he I asked him, you know, there'd been 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.159 a splash, And I think I asked him he tossed anything, 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.000 And I don't remember if he said he was throwing 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.479 trash out or something. I can't remember that part. I 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.360 don't remember what his answer was, but he did say 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.120 I think he said he was throwing trash away or something, 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:03.760 that he had some trash that he needed to get 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.279 rid of and he threw it in the river that night. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.560 No one ever saw or found what caused the alleged 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:09.880 splash that was hurt in the water. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.679 We let him go and at six am we packed 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.560 up and I went ahead and went home. And home 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.160 was down south of Atlanta, lived in marl Georgia. I 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.000 drove up to East Tennessee because it was Memorial Day weekend. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.000 It was a long weekend to see my mother and 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.960 basically crashed. I was totally exhausted. I slept for I 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.720 think I got there. It's about a three hour drive, 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:34.000 and I got there about noon on Friday, went to sleep, 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:37.480 woke up at noon on Saturday eight went back to sleep. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.160 Though police had a strange encounter with the man on 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.040 the bridge, they decided to let him go. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.200 They had no reason to hold him in custody. The 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:49.040 bridge steak. 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.760 Out operation was now officially over, and Mike Macombus went 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:53.920 home to rest for the weekend. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.320 But meanwhile, investigators. 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.920 Were still hard at work, suspicious of the man they 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.280 top from the bridge, and by the time the combas 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.600 woke up again, big things were happening. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.280 Sunday morning, I got a call from Bill McGrath. He 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.800 was one of the administrative supervisors on the case. 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:12.920 And Bill called me in. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.119 He said, did you interview Wayne Williams. I said yes. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.600 He said, well, do you have any notes? I said, oh, yeah, 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.840 I got a lot of notes. Well, we just found 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:26.160 a body about five hundred meters down stream. You need 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.000 to call in and do your report right now. And 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:30.920 he said, and get yourself back to Atlanta. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:33.160 We think we got him. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.840 A few days later, a body washed up in the river, 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.319 just a few miles downstream from the bridge. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.719 The body was found around eleven this morning in the 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.160 Chattahoochee River, just south of the I two eighty five bridge, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.640 where the river forms the border between Cobb and Fulton Counties. 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.360 The body was nude, and medical examiners estimated it had 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.920 been in the water a couple of days. It was 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.840 found by a fisherman. The body was on the Fulton 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.120 County side of the river, but it was difficult for 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.840 police to get to that part of the river. Boats 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.959 were launched from the Cobb County side. Members of the 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.240 Special Task Force poured in. About two hours later the 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.240 body was brought out. A medical examiner said it was 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.400 a young black man in his early twenties. 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.400 The body was of twenty seven year old Nathaniel Cater. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.440 The FBI now had their first real suspect the man 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:22.760 they had stopped on the bridge. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.760 That man was Wayne Williams. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:29.320 The man who has been questioned, was stopped late at 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:32.440 night on May twenty first, after arousing the curiosity of 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.960 police on a river's stakeout. The investigators heard a splash 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.480 in the water underneath the Jackson Parkway Bridge. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.200 No arrest was made then, and no one inspected two 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.720 bags of clothes, the pair of men's shoes, or the 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.160 gloves seen inside the station wagon. For two days, the 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.600 task force quietly dragged the river, not finding anything. Three 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.400 days later, two people in a canoe did the nude 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.320 body of Nathaniel Cater a mile downstream from the South 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:57.120 Cobb Bridge. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.000 Within a matter of minutes, news stations formed the rigs 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.480 where Nathaniel Cater's body was found, and it wasn't long 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:09.720 after that the media discovered the name Wayne Williams. Though 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.080 no arrests have been made, news stations released his name anyways. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.600 To anyone who's been anywhere even close to the non 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:20.120 suspect's home, it's obvious he doesn't have any privacy anymore. 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:22.960 In spite of his pleas to remain anonymous, and in 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.560 spite of the police begging the media to use restraint, 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.520 most have released his name anyway. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.880 Reporters and camera crews from all around the nation lined 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:33.920 up outside the home of Wayne Williams, anxiously awaiting for 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:34.680 something to happen. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.800 A horde of police, news reporters and photographers smothered this 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.040 quiet neighborhood. The media didn't want to miss any arrests 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:43.920 that so far hasn't happened. 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:47.640 And with this man now under the national spotlight, the 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.400 FBI's investigation was sent in the overdrive. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.680 Two FBI agents and two detectives with the Atlanta Police 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:59.400 Department sat perched on their cars, guns visible, never taking 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.520 their eyes off the modest home in northwest Atlanta. The mother, father, 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:07.480 and son inside became a family under siege in their 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.240 own home. In around ten this morning, the man's father 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.200 came out of the house, pushed the cameras away with 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.960 his commanding presence, and silently walked toward the police. Without 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.680 saying a word, He signaled them to follow him into 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:21.079 the house. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:22.160 Have they asked you to leave? 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.040 Do they have anything of a confession? 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.600 The nation was glued to their TVs as reporters scrambled 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.120 to find more information on the manning question for the 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:32.400 murder of Atlanta's children. 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:36.600 Everyone wanted to know who was Wayne Williams. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.360 Wayne Williams is an Atlanta born and bred twenty three 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.360 years old. A product of the city's public school system. 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.920 He went to Anderson Park Elementary School and graduated from 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.720 Frederick Douglas High School on High Tower Road, Northwest. People 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.040 who know Williams say he is a highly intelligent young man, 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.000 a good student when he was in school. That opinion 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.640 is echoed by William's seventh grade teacher, Archie Wilson, who 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.199 Williams continues to list as a personal reference on his resume. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.960 Those who knew Wayne Williams were completely shocked. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:20.320 As a student, he was extremely bright, fair, intelligent young man, quiet, respectful, 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:24.440 honest student, very dependable, just an idea student. 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.360 Williams's resume lists a number of clubs and organizations he 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.600 says he belonged to in high school National Honor Society 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.240 ROTC rifle team, but his high school class yearbook does 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.400 not show him in any of the organization pictures. Williams's 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:41.440 acquaintances say he is one who tends to exaggerate his 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:46.720 accomplishments and his contacts. His resumes list of professional references 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.840 includes many familiar names in the local media. Most of 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:53.400 those references say they knew Williams only briefly and not 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.360 very well, but it is clear Wayne Williams is a 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.880 bright and ambitious person. He started a radio station in 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:03.240 his parents' home when he was only twelve. In his teens, 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.360 he spent time hanging around many of the city's radio stations, 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.360 doing odd jobs, mostly as an unpaid volunteer, and talking 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.600 to the people he met about broadcasting. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.720 He was a bit old for his age, so to speak. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.320 I'm saying that to talk to a kid at that 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.320 age about something that you're doing as an adult and 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.080 he's talking on your level. 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:23.840 It's really amazing. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.880 And as I said before, he was a likable type 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.760 of individual, maybe because of the knowledge of the industry 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:30.079 as far. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:30.800 As I'm concerned. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.439 Several years ago, he was arrested for impersonating a police 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.520 officer and for using police emergency lights on his car. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.120 The charges were reduced and handled in traffic court. In 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.000 nineteen seventy seven, Williams began offering his photographic services to 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.520 the Atlantic TV stations. Williams would drive the city streets 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.280 through the night, listening to police monitors in his car, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.079 racing to the scene of accidents, fires and homicides, then 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.880 peddling film of what had happened to the news departments. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.920 But the freelance photography business was never very successful, and 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.280 most recently, william says he has acted as a talent scout, 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.120 helping young people get ahead in the entertainment industry. Williams 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.280 has always lived with his parents in this house on 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:15.400 Penelope Road, Northwest, the quiet neighborhood that has suddenly become 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.800 a constant subject of interest for the police and news media. 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.080 Neighbors say they never knew the family very well, the 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.600 typical wave as you go by type of thing. 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:26.880 He've been such a good boar for it. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:31.080 I know, I haven't seen nothing to make me suspicious 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:31.520 of him. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.240 If he has really surprised me, really shocks me. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.280 Why would you think it would be a shock to you? 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.720 So close and I got son and that sons, one 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.520 of them used to go in and wait with him 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:42.400 in his radio station. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:43.040 Right. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.360 Intelligent, not terribly close to a lot of people, A 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.480 news and police groupie of sorts. That is how Wayne 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.560 Williams is described by those who know him, and as 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.520 his neighbors said, there is shocked that this quiet and 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.920 promising kid is now a major suspect in the Atlanta 0:14:59.040 --> 0:14:59.800 child murders. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.680 He was described repeatedly as someone who was intelligent and docile, 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.880 the last person you would suspect in a murder, but 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:10.840 the FBI was convinced otherwise. They continued their investigation in 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.479 searched Wayne williams house. 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.960 On Wednesday night, June third, Action News learned that FBI 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.840 agents and a representative of the Special Task Force had 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.080 executed a search warrant and had collected potential evidence from 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:23.400 Williams's home and car. 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.440 They found an eight by ten sheet of paper that 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.640 basically was a flyer that said, if you're between the 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.280 ages of six and ten and you think you can 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.800 sing or dance, I'm a talent scout. 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.960 Wayne Williams called himself a talent scout, and he had 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:42.480 passed out flyers throughout the city in search of young 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.200 kids to form a music group. I recently found a 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.880 copy of that flyer, the same one the FBI had 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:48.720 found in his home. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.800 The flyer reads, in bold letters. 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.000 Can you sing or play an instrument if you were 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:57.080 between eleven and twenty one, male or female and would 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:01.600 like to become a professional entertainer. All interviews private and free, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.920 no experience necessary. The FBI found this very interesting. The 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.840 flyer suggests that Wayne was putting contact with young kids, 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:10.800 probably more than one. 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.280 So he put himself out there as a talent scout. 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.960 And that's that's how we surmised that he was getting 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:17.760 the kids into the car, Because when you're having that 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.480 many kids and getting that much worldwide publicity, you would 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.680 think somebody would have enough brains to not get in 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:26.640 the car with somebody. 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.160 But he was pretty good at what he did. 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.760 It could be a huge coincidence, a line of work 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.800 with the best intentions, or it was the perfect way 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.280 to get children alone. Investigators were now more certain than 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.480 ever that they'd found their man, and it was time 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.000 they spoke to Wayne Williams again, so they brought him 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:43.720 in for questioning. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:50.680 They went out, picked him up and brought him into 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.520 the FBI office, take him into the back and as 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:57.040 a massive scene of city of dignitarian and state and 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.200 everybody in the world wanted to get involved in it. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.040 They in and gather. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:02.800 He agreed to take a potograph test, and we talked 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.520 for him, and they went downstairs and I did the 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:06.400 testing downstairs in my office. 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.040 Just you two, just the two of us. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.119 The full task force, and everybody was on the tenth floor, 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.639 press and news all around the entire building, and we 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:19.680 were kind of on the ninth floor, just the two 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:19.959 of us. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.240 This is Richard Ratcliffe, former special agent with the FBI. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.879 He sat down alone in a room with Wayne Williams 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.359 to conduct a polygraph test. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.439 We had this very interesting interview for about two hours. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:37.760 I said, you're very intelligent, so what's your IQ And 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:42.639 he said, I don't believe in that case the potograph. 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:45.480 You have to have confidence in it. I think he 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.080 was totally confident he could beat it. He said that 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.800 he was just totally calm that he could beat it. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:51.840 And what you do? 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.879 You ask us series of comparative questions? This series of 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.080 about ten questions or some of them are very simple. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.520 It's everything we've discussed, all yes and no answers. It's 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.439 not really confusing, is really clear, very pretty simple and 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.919 no surprises. And at that time I ran what's considered 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:10.160 to be the most valid format in the potograph research, 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:14.360 and that was the zone comparison test, A former set 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:16.720 of questions about ten questions. I'll go through that and 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.120 record the physiology, and then I'll ask him, was any 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:22.919 problem to anything, anything need to explain or correct or know. 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.080 Then you run a second time, you ask the same 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.679 set of questions, and I record a second chart. You 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:29.960 run the same set of questions the third time, and 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.320 after the third time, then you score each one of 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.199 those and compare the responses to the other responses, and 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.320 then you add those scores up, and it would show 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:44.280 either either deception or no deception. And this human nature 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.719 to want to believe people, So I'm assuming he's going 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:50.480 to pass the test. He stayed pretty much composed the 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.960 whole time. He was composed, and he's not really fair 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.400 to say relaxed, because the whole situation is not one 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:59.280 where you're relaxed. He was very engaged, and he was 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:03.480 very much operative and in participated willingly. We had this 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.439 very interesting conversation and then about what happened, why he's 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.600 on the bridge, and one of his things that made 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.040 him suspect was every time he was asking about the bridge, 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.199 he gave a different story, so he'd already given two 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.159 or three different versions by the time I talked to 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:16.800 him about where he was going, what he was doing, 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:18.640 didn't stop on the bridge, just stopping the bridge through 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:20.439 the boxes in the river, didn't throw anything in the river. So, 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.800 I mean he had variations of his story. He's a 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.320 talent scout, and he had this girl's name, Cheryl, whoever 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.840 her name was, and he's supposed to meet her the 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.680 next morning at seven am. And so he went to 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.719 see if he'd find the apartment. And I said, are 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.320 you interviewing young girls at seven in the morning in 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.560 their apartments? And that puts you in an awkward position. 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:42.080 I said, I wouldn't do that. He said, I'm not homosexual. 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.760 He just made a point, I'm not homosexual. He argued 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.159 that that he wasn't homosexual. I was asking about being 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.119 alone with this girl in her apartment seven in the morning, 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:51.399 and I was asking him why he would do that. 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.040 Why he would just set up interview at seven in 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:57.320 the morning in the girl's apartment. That would make him heterosexual, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.760 making mineral sexual, right, Yeah, And that's why I was asking. 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.399 But his argument was that he wasn't homosexual. People I 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.679 guess were suspicious of him being homosexual. I said, well, 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.359 I'm not accusing you of being homosexual. Well, but we 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.280 had that discussion. So I said, what do you have 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:10.840 a girlfriend? 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:11.160 Iza? 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:12.879