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Speaker 1: The San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 3: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to How to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 4: The John Annick and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annick and

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Speaker 4: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: I fucking love him.

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Speaker 6: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 7: Let's hear that birthfa Brankers.

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Speaker 8: There are a couple of absolutely self involved bullshit artist.

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Speaker 4: Here're your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I love just sitting in the seed. I got

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Speaker 9: ken Flow for ninety minutes or more. If you want

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Speaker 9: Ken Flow for ninety minutes or so, you just got

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Speaker 9: a convince them to start a podcast, which I did

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Speaker 9: like seven years ago.

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Speaker 5: It's great to be here with you, guys.

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Speaker 9: I gotta stop saying it's like the most anticipated episode

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Speaker 9: in the history of the program. Right after these amazing

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Speaker 9: UFC fight nights. Because this is not the most anticipated

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Speaker 9: episode in the now three hundred and twenty seven episode

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Speaker 9: history of the anicon Floring podcast, but it's pretty damn close. Monday,

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Speaker 9: December sixth, twenty twenty one. Happy birthday to my niece Paris.

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Speaker 9: Good to see you, Ken Flow. What's going on?

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Speaker 5: Hi? Doing man? Great? Great? Great weekend of fights. We

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Speaker 5: have more to come.

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Speaker 7: Just crazy, man, It's been been a pretty crazy schedule

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Speaker 7: and you're back home.

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Speaker 5: Huh. Came back home. I have some childcare to attend

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Speaker 5: to in the next few days.

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Speaker 9: People get very upset when I call my own children

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Speaker 9: any form of taking care of them childcare or babysitting.

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Speaker 5: But it is what it is. But yeah, no, I

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Speaker 5: came home for a few days.

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Speaker 9: And when I'm sitting there calling a UFC fight night

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Speaker 9: like this, and granted it's in the APEX, right, so

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Speaker 9: there aren't fans.

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Speaker 5: There are some, but not enough fans to drown out.

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Speaker 9: Out the visceral nature of these strikes, the audio of

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Speaker 9: these strikes, right, And I'm sitting here thinking, Man, if

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Speaker 9: people are just watching this on ESPN and maybe tuning

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Speaker 9: in for the first time, you know, this card is

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Speaker 9: just sensational, and the amount of heat that was being

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Speaker 9: thrown and how heavy the strikes were generally speaking, on

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Speaker 9: both sides of all these matchups, I feel like it

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Speaker 9: was one of the loudest nights in UFC history, if

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Speaker 9: I If I can put it that.

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Speaker 7: Way, some of these things obviously. Yeah, the location helps, right,

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Speaker 7: because it's an intimate place. You're right there. But you know,

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Speaker 7: that's the value of going to a live mixed martial

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Speaker 7: arts fight. It's unlike anything else. You're seeing, the impacts,

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Speaker 7: you're feeling it. It makes it that much more visceral. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: it's it's a must for any MMA fan for sure.

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Speaker 9: All Right, So coming up today, we'll recap everything that

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Speaker 9: was UFC Fight Night Faon versus auDA. Will try to

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Speaker 9: highlight as many performances as humanly possible on the backside

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Speaker 9: of the show. At the very end, you know, I'm

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Speaker 9: talking about kamzach Mayev, what of it. We're going to

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Speaker 9: talk about Dana White's quotes not just on the Jim

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Speaker 9: Rome Show, but also to TMZ about Kamzat Chimayev, who

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Speaker 9: should have an opponent in the next few days. Also,

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Speaker 9: time permitting, we'll talk about Tyrone Woodley stepping into the

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Speaker 9: now rematch with Jake Paul, But there's so much you

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Speaker 9: FC stuff to get to beforehand that I'm not sure

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Speaker 9: we're going to get to either one of those subjects,

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Speaker 9: especially if Maass wants to talk about Jose Aldo on

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Speaker 9: the Mount Rushmore of MMA, which I know Ken Flow

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Speaker 9: doesn't necessarily have time for today, But let us talk

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Speaker 9: about the performance of one Jose Aldo over Rob font

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Speaker 9: by unanimous decision fifty to forty five times two dissenting

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Speaker 9: judge forty nine forty six. Ken Flow's lost to Joseido

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Speaker 9: in twenty eleven just continues to grace beautifully. What else

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Speaker 9: can you say, man about the King of Rio.

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Speaker 7: Listen, if you are not technically sound, tough as nails,

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Speaker 7: and capable of going a hard twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 5: You're not going to beat at Jose Aldo. He's just

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Speaker 7: You have to get through the skill barrier, you have

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Speaker 7: a level of conditioning that is just out of this world.

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Speaker 7: There's so many layers that this guy has.

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Speaker 5: And he kind of is becoming like a fine wine.

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Speaker 7: You know, he's not old by any means, but he's

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Speaker 7: You know, it was great to see those leg kicks

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Speaker 7: come back. But yeah, yeah, what else? What else you got?

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Speaker 5: I don't want to know.

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Speaker 9: I have a ton of questions. I have a ton

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Speaker 9: Pedernaires that called for it. He went to it right

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Speaker 9: away and it worked. Why do you think he waited?

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Speaker 7: Obviously there was that leg injury that he suffered way

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Speaker 5: Some people maybe thinking that the case.

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Speaker 7: Maybe I think he's been training a lot of boxing, right,

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Speaker 7: and no matter how effective you had a you know,

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Speaker 7: well and you're working on something else, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 7: If you're no longer training it, you lose it. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 7: it's just one of those things in mixed martial arts

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Speaker 7: And I think because he's been focusing so much on

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Speaker 7: But my goodness, I mean, he's just so much more

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Speaker 7: I just could not see it as well as other guys.

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Speaker 7: He was so damn fast, John and Fontoc, and his

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Speaker 5: It really was blindingly fast. Yeah, that's a good way

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Speaker 9: And font said, for one reason or another, probably myriad reasons,

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Speaker 9: he couldn't see some of those shots coming. Oftentimes, I

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Speaker 9: say it's the last article or video that I ingest

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Speaker 9: the most useful in my commentary. And I read some

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Speaker 9: comments from Pedro Munoz, who will talk about later today

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Speaker 9: because he fights Domina Cruz this weekend, but he talked

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Speaker 9: about his fight with Jose Aldo and that was the

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Speaker 5: He's a massive one hundred and thirty five pounder.

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Speaker 7: I remember suffering through my weightcuts also thinking hey, he's

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Speaker 9: I have to say, though, Yeah, it's such a different suffering, right,

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Speaker 9: Like he these bandam weight cuts are easier for him

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Speaker 5: He invested in the body early, did jose Aldo.

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Speaker 9: it was dominant and Aldo was incredible, and I think

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Speaker 9: it's time for me to ask this guy for a photograph. Kenny,

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Speaker 9: I think I had the courage and a bar in

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Speaker 9: don't ask fighters for photographs. I'm gonna ask Joseado for

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Speaker 9: a photo next time I see him. But an incredible performance,

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Speaker 9: and divisionally speaking, it's huge because al Jamaine Sterling is

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Speaker 5: I ended up seeing him in the bathroom right before

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Speaker 9: I said, I guess if you're on team Sterling, you're

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Speaker 9: just hoping these guys beat the ever living tar out

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Speaker 9: of each other someway or another. And that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 9: But divisionally speaking, al Jamaine Sterling needs to be healthy

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Speaker 9: strip al Jamaine Sterling and pyoldr Yan becomes undisputed.

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Speaker 5: Either way, Corey Sandhagen's off a lost. TJ.

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Speaker 9: Dillashaw's off a win, but his wicked injured. I know

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Speaker 9: Jose Aldo called for the Dilashaw fight. This is twice

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Speaker 9: And I think Jose Aldo might just get a title

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Speaker 7: Listen, I thought Rob Font had a tremendous performance, which

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Speaker 9: And I do think you can argue that his championship

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Speaker 9: when you talk about where Jose Aldo was in twenty

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Speaker 7: You know, John, In this sport, it is so difficult

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Speaker 5: He really is a master. I do not call many people.

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Speaker 5: I believe jose Aldo to be one of them.

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Speaker 5: What was the sous though? I mean when you guys law,

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Speaker 9: right to try to attack the body and things you

435
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 9: know that I really can't speak too specifically, but I

436
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 9: just thought it was a fascinating fight to call. And

437
00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,400
Speaker 9: you know, I wouldn't be surprised to see these guys

438
00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 9: fight each other again. What are your big picture thoughts

439
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,520
Speaker 9: on Raphaelphazevee after this win. It's five in a row

440
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,720
Speaker 9: since dropping his UFC debut. You know, I think this

441
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 9: was a fight that proved a lot to me.

442
00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 7: I think he had to deal with a lot, right,

443
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 7: I mean, having Brad Riddell as your mentor or instructor

444
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 7: and having to go out there and fight that guy

445
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 7: who is a friend, a guy you've hung out with

446
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 7: outside of training.

447
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 5: It's not an easy thing for a lot of.

448
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 7: People to do, go out there and hurt them and

449
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 7: be able to look past them. And you know, I

450
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 7: think for Zeve this is going to be a big

451
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 7: moment that he'll look back on in his career and say,

452
00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 7: this made me mentally tougher, This gave me experience, This

453
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 7: gave me confidence to keep doing what I'm doing, and

454
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 7: to kind of strengthen that faith in his training.

455
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 5: Becauzivee's something else, man.

456
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 7: He really is a special fighter, and I still think

457
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 7: he has things to show us, for example, like what

458
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 7: happens when he goes against you know, a high level

459
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,560
Speaker 7: takedown artists and things like that. He has shown it

460
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 7: to hold up so far pretty well. But I think

461
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 7: this is a huge step in his development, and I

462
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 7: think he's only going to get better from here on out.

463
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 7: I want to see more of this kid. He's a

464
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 7: phenomenal striker.

465
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you put that well.

466
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 9: And I feel like for Riddell too, this is hugely

467
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 9: valuable experience, you know, just like for kamar Usman fighting

468
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 9: Gilbert Burns. I think there was so much to extract

469
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 9: from that win, and there aren't going to be many

470
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 9: more difficult fights emotionally than the one Brad Riddell just experienced.

471
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 9: And knowing Riddell, he'll demand that Gillespie fight again, you know,

472
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 9: just one of the toughest customers on the roster, and

473
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Speaker 9: Brad Ridel will.

474
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 5: Forever have a fan in me.

475
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 9: But Becazie's obviously the guy that's moving on up, likely

476
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 9: to the top ten or eleven or so in the

477
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 9: world at one hundred and fifty five pounds. Excuse me,

478
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,240
Speaker 9: all right, Jamal Hill was an underdog going into this

479
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 9: Jimmy Crue fight, you know. I believe he says, however humbly,

480
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 9: that he is the best boxer in the UFC. And

481
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 9: I said on the broadcast, you know, there is definitely

482
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Speaker 9: a humble man despite the obvious confidence and self belief

483
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 9: of Jamal Hill, definitely a humble man inside there. And

484
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 9: it's gonna take some humility to bounce back from the

485
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 9: Paul Craig result the way he did. And he's got

486
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 9: that you know, break your face open, throwback, tight power,

487
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 9: you know, obviously technical skills, right, but we talk about

488
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 9: Derek Lewis. You know, breaking your face open didn't take

489
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 9: very long for Jamal Hill to break a bunch of

490
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 9: fucking bones in Jimmy Krut's face, did it, right? Some

491
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 9: guys hit you and they break your face.

492
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Speaker 5: Jamal Hills one of them.

493
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Speaker 7: If there was one word that comes to mind every

494
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 7: time I see Jamal, especially what he's at his best,

495
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 7: it's sweet, Like the dude is just nice with this technique,

496
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 7: like you know, Okay, So let's contrast this to Riddell,

497
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 7: who I'm not picking on withdel Ridell's is a phenomenal striker,

498
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 7: obviously done amazing things, but he tends to tighten up

499
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 7: when he when he fights right, it's like he he

500
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 7: bites down and he just like gets tight and just throws.

501
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 7: But you could see that it impedes your ability to

502
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 7: be fast and to be powerful. Whereas you know Jamal Hill,

503
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 7: he allows it, he accepts it. He's super loose, and

504
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 7: that speed and that sharpness comes off man, and it's

505
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 7: just so evident he is totally at peace with himself.

506
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 7: When he starts that fight, he's relaxed, and man, he

507
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 7: strikes the a cobra. It's just it's so pretty when

508
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 7: you see him put together those combinations, and man, you're like,

509
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 7: this guy's different. He hits different, he moves a little different.

510
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 7: And if you're not ready for it, man, you are

511
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 7: in big trouble. Jimmy Crute is a good fighter, dude.

512
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 7: I pick I thought, Jimmy, try to take him down.

513
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 7: I go, Jimmy, what are you doing? Strike the guy?

514
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? He was trying to.

515
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 7: He just he couldn't get there because Jamal's movement, his faints,

516
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 7: the way he sets things up. Man, he's fun to

517
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 7: watch and it's great to see him come back from

518
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 7: that last fight against Paul Craig too, where like his

519
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 7: elbow obviously got messed up and he's got a lot

520
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 7: of potential. Man, I'm excited to see what else he's

521
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 7: got in store.

522
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's interesting listening to what you said about Jimmy

523
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 9: Krut sometimes sort of getting in the firefight, especially early.

524
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 9: But you know, despite some of the things that Kreude

525
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 9: said publicly, you know, his intention was to very much

526
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 9: take Jamal Hill down and try to rip his arm off,

527
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 9: and Crude, ever the good sportsman.

528
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 5: Was like, what the fuck was that?

529
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: Man?

530
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Speaker 9: You know, I love Jimmy Crude. He's only twenty five

531
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 9: years old. I think at times in the past he

532
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 9: has wanted to expedite things, and now this on the

533
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 9: back end of the foot drop is going to force

534
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 9: him to sort of reset and maybe have a little

535
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 9: bit of a longer career, candidly than he was hoping.

536
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 9: I think in a perfect world, if he has these visualizations,

537
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 9: Jimmy Crue would have liked to have been UFC champion

538
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 9: by twenty eight and been out by thirty two, and

539
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 9: probably gonna have to be in the game a little

540
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 9: bit longer now after this loss. But I love Jimmy

541
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 9: Crue on bullish on his future. But yeah, man, sweet dreams,

542
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 9: you know, sometimes doesn't take much when you're calling these knockouts, right,

543
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 9: sweet fucking dreams.

544
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 5: I wish I could say sweet fucking dreams.

545
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 9: So yeah, so all right, So Jamal Hill will move

546
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 9: up in the rankings and this is a big test

547
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 9: for him to pass and again in a light heavyweight

548
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 9: division that really is wide open, and more wide open

549
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 9: I think than some other divisions. Maybe Jamal Hill finds

550
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 9: himself in a UFC main event type situation, maybe an

551
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 9: Anthony Smith fight, just off the top of my head

552
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 9: makes some sense. But he called out uh. I think

553
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 9: he mentioned the name Johnny Walker and also Paolo Costa,

554
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 9: which as a main event in makes all the sense

555
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 9: in the world.

556
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 5: I love that.

557
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, I'm really trying to not short change

558
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 9: this entire fight card. And by the way, Cody did

559
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 9: right in our chat room. Jamal Hill likes to fight,

560
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 9: fight and that's a good way to put it, like

561
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 9: likes to fight, And I would imagine he'd be a

562
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 9: guy that with thirty thousand people screaming his name would

563
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 9: even be better.

564
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 5: So very exciting to think about. The teacher to.

565
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 7: The dude watches arm, the dude watches arm dislocated, he

566
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 7: still like, let's go letk go, I keep on fighting here.

567
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, Grand Rapids, Michigan. That's your guy, all right, Clai Guida,

568
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 9: So hopefully this will dovettill nicely into the Ray Longo

569
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 9: minute today and Cody, you can just pop that motherfucker

570
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,239
Speaker 9: on right when he gets in here. Claig Guedo over

571
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 9: Leonardo Santos by rear naked choke. And you know, sometimes

572
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 9: we make too much of an MMA submission of a

573
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 9: seven time world champion Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt, because

574
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 9: Anthony Fluffy Hernandez has some great chokes. But when he

575
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 9: submits Adolpho Vieda, it's the byproduct of a mixed martial

576
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 9: arts fight that has played out before that submission. So

577
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 9: it's incredible for Clay that this was not a knockout

578
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 9: or a decision, and he can always lay claim to

579
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 9: having submitted Leo Santos and that's the way I called it,

580
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 9: and that's all well and good. But this is a

581
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 9: submission due to cardio abandonment, right, I mean, not due

582
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 9: to a rear naked choke.

583
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 5: Let's be honest. No, there's a lot to get to.

584
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 5: I shouldn't have put it that way.

585
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 9: I guess, But what are your thoughts on on Guida's

586
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 9: unbelievable rally to beat Leo Santos.

587
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 7: John, you are on point today, my friend, always on point,

588
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 7: but today, my goodness, Yes, I couldn't agree more. The

589
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 7: submission happened when Leo Santos wasn't able to finish Clay

590
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 7: Gueda in round one.

591
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 5: That's when it happened.

592
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 7: It was him mentally shutting down and going, what the

593
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 7: hell do I need to do to beat this man?

594
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 5: I got it.

595
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 7: I don't think I got it in me to try

596
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 7: to do that again in round two. I don't think

597
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 7: I have it in me to do that again in

598
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 7: round three. I think I spent it all in round one.

599
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 7: And I got this mad man in front of me,

600
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 7: who keeps moving very unearthed in unorthodox fashion, who's trying

601
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 7: to hit him, He's trying to hurt me, who's taking

602
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 7: this fight to me? And I'm tired, My lungs are

603
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 7: burning out. That's when he lost, and that's when he

604
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 7: got submitted. And that's what Clay Gweeda has in his arsenal.

605
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 7: It's that heart, It's that thing you don't see that's

606
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 7: the most powerful and toughest thing about him. Is he

607
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 7: the most skillful fighter in the world. No, but he's

608
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 7: not going to quit and he's not gonna go away.

609
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 7: You're gonna have to take him out on a stretcher.

610
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 5: That's it. That's the only way Clay Gueda goes away.

611
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 7: And it's amazing that he's still doing it and fighting

612
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 7: with that amount of heart and tenacity at forty years old.

613
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 7: Clay Gwieda is a damn stud man. Like everyone's got

614
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 7: a certain amount of fight in him. Clay Gweda. I mean,

615
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 7: just to see what he's done in the way that

616
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 7: he's fought since his very first fight, like when he

617
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 7: was fighting at Strikeforce and when he first got in

618
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 7: the UFC.

619
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 5: He's still fighting in that same manner.

620
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, to have that amount of fight, it's just unbelievable.

621
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 5: Claiy Gweda is a damn legend, dude, unbelievable.

622
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 9: This was his thirty second UFC appearance, his fifty fifth

623
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 9: professional MMA fight overall. He turns forty on Wednesday, Happy Birthday.

624
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 5: Clay.

625
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 9: I'm gonna go on his boat kills and thrills with

626
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 9: my kids down here in Florida at some point but

627
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 9: it is remarkable. And if you were to say to

628
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 9: me over under thirty nine and a half career appearances

629
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 9: in the UFC for Clay Guita, I would take the

630
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 9: over right now. I actually think he will have eight

631
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 9: more fights in the UFC. Right Built to last was

632
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 9: a line that sort of stuck with me that he

633
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 9: said with us in our fighter meeting, as far as

634
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 9: the stoppage is concerned, you sort of led the dance

635
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 9: here with some Leonardo Santo's inner monologue, as if to say, like, hey, Keith.

636
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 5: Man, what's he gonna take? Man? All right?

637
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 9: So, Keith Peterson is a friend of mine, and he's

638
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 9: a friend of mine before he is any sort of colleague.

639
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 9: I mean, we don't work together, but we share shuttles,

640
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 9: you know, have that nice shuttle with the judges and referees. Again,

641
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 9: I kind of stoked the fire this time.

642
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 5: I turned around.

643
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 9: I was like, why do the commentators have to get

644
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 9: on a shuttle with the judges and the referees?

645
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 5: And one of the.

646
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 9: Judges sort of deadpan right back at me, He's like, yeah,

647
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 9: why do the judges have to be on a shuttle

648
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 9: with the commentators?

649
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 5: You know? But that was our reality.

650
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 9: So here's the thing, right, Like, Keith Peterson has a

651
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 9: defense for why he stopped the Henry Sehudo Domina Cruz fight,

652
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 9: and I hate to inject Cruise into this ken flow,

653
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 9: but Longo did it right. He texted me that Domina

654
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 9: Cruz has got to be like, what is going on here? Because,

655
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 9: as I said on the call, in this instance, Keith

656
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 9: Peterson gave claigwy To every benefit of every doubt to

657
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 9: stay in this fight. Keith has a technical explanation as

658
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 9: to why he stopped the fight between Cruise and Sahudo.

659
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 9: I think a lot of it has to do with

660
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 9: Cruse his arms being extended, maybe not intelligently, whatever it is, right,

661
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 9: but I have said that I do think a referee

662
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 9: style can evolve, and certainly you want to learn from situations,

663
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 9: especially ones that maybe are controversial that splits the public.

664
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 9: And it wasn't just Cruise and Peterson that were split

665
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 9: on that. It was the public. You know, a lot

666
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 9: of people felt like it was a fine stoppage. A

667
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 9: lot of people felt like Cruise, especially a title fight,

668
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 9: deserved better. I do think this speaks to some evolution

669
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 9: from Keith Peterson, you know, and maybe he's going totally

670
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 9: the other way.

671
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 5: I thought this fight could have been stopped.

672
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 9: And I feel like this was a case of Keith Peterson,

673
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 9: in some way, shape or form, knowing the athlete and

674
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 9: making sure that Clay Guida really was too hurt to

675
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 9: continue before we stopped the fight that never happened and

676
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 9: the result was an epic rally in a fight that

677
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 9: we'll be talking about for years to come.

678
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, I think you know, body language matters, and

679
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 7: you have to be able to speak that language, and

680
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 7: I think that that really is probably the most important

681
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 7: thing for a referee to know and recognize, you know,

682
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 7: when it comes to deciding whether you're going to stop

683
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 7: a fight or not.

684
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 5: Right. Everyone's body language, however.

685
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 7: Is a little bit different, and you're looking at things

686
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 7: like limp arms or eyes right rolling in the back

687
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 7: of your head, or you know, a fighter turning away

688
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 7: or things like that. So with me in this fight,

689
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 7: I think you also have to consider history, right and

690
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 7: what that fighter has done, how he fights, how he's

691
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 7: come back before. Like for anyone who hasn't seen the

692
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 7: Clay Gueda Diego Sanchez fight, like, yeah, check that out.

693
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 5: You let me know how tough Clay Gueda is so

694
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 5: our show first, but the right exactly a finished our first.

695
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know it's that you're talking about one

696
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 7: of the toughest dudes in Clay Gweda. So yeah, it

697
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 7: wouldn't have been the worst stoppage. But I did think

698
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 7: Clay Gweda was fine and able to continue. And you know, listen,

699
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 7: Keith Peterson, I still think he's one of the best

700
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 7: referees in the world. Now, doesn't he make a mistake

701
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 7: every once in a while. Yeah, the guy's human, of course.

702
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 7: You know, I thought it was the right call here,

703
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 7: and I agree with you. I think evolution and learning

704
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 7: from your mistakes is crucial right in any domain. And

705
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 7: I think Keith Peterson is kind of putting it all

706
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 7: together to allow that fight to play out.

707
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 5: It allowed Claig Wey to come back.

708
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 7: It was the right call in my opinion, and we

709
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 7: had a fantastic fight and comeback because of it.

710
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 9: I do agree with all of that, and I think

711
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 9: Keith Peterson is a fantastic referee, one of the very

712
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 9: best in the game. He has been elevated by the

713
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 9: Nevada State Athletic Commission. Right did the main event this weekend.

714
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 9: And this was a guy that three or four years ago,

715
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 9: the no nonsense Keith Peterson, was not refereeing fights in Nevada.

716
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 9: So I think he's one of the best and just

717
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 9: a great family man. All three of his kids wrestle.

718
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 9: And again, though, I think if you're dominant Cruz, right,

719
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 9: and you got that title fight and you're watching this,

720
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 9: it's got to be very difficult. And this is the

721
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 9: second time we've had this type of conversation now as

722
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 9: far as the scoring of that first round, real quick

723
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 9: as we're waiting for Longo again, I was hoping to

724
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 9: bring Ray into this conversation because I think he has

725
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 9: a lot of comedic value to add to it the subject,

726
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 9: but he's at least five minutes late at this point

727
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 9: in time.

728
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 5: But in terms of the scoring of this round, right, and.

729
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 9: Sean Sheen is really the media guy that I lean

730
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 9: on for this stuff, and I'm hoping to have him

731
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 9: on later this month actually to sort of talk about

732
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 9: some of these specific rounds in the scoring. But in

733
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 9: an era in which the scoring has been tweaked a

734
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 9: couple times and we're trying to be more liberal with

735
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 9: ten eight rounds. I said on broadcast that I probably

736
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 9: would have given that a ten eight. And if I

737
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 9: was a judge and I had scored that first round

738
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 9: ten eight for Leonardo Santos, that would have been one

739
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 9: of my scorecards that was roundly criticized by the masses.

740
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 9: And as a judge, you got to be okay with that, right,

741
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 9: I guess for me, because Santos came so close to

742
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 9: finishing Clay Guida that the resultant minute at the end

743
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 9: of the round in which Clay had top position and

744
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 9: was fatiguing Santos, that wasn't enough to swing at the

745
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 9: full point. I probably would have gone ten eight and

746
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 9: a half if I was able to do so. But

747
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 9: because I thought the fight could have and maybe should

748
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 9: have been stopped at one point in time, in my mind,

749
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 9: I still would have written down ten eight. And again,

750
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 9: maybe that would have been a mistake, like going to

751
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 9: my cremation chamber, like loving that scorecard. I'm just saying

752
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 9: in the moment, that would have been a ten eight

753
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 9: for me, you know, because he came close to finishing him.

754
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 5: That's all. I just want to get that out there. Yeah, No,

755
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 5: I think that's valid.

756
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 7: I think, you know, Clay did kind of save that

757
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 7: by by by coming right back in, and I think

758
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 7: at that last minute of that round, I think again

759
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 7: that was the deciding factor in the fight in a

760
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 7: lot of ways, not necessarily for the round. You know,

761
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 7: you know, you're right, but I think that's what in

762
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 7: Leo Sato's head, He's like, man, that was my opportunity.

763
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 5: It's gone. And for Clay he did maybe you know, save.

764
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 7: That round for him, you know, amongst the other judges

765
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 7: to make it a ten nine as opposed to a

766
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 7: tennight because if it had continued or maybe they circled,

767
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 7: you know, around and round for the remainder of that round.

768
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 5: I think absolutely there's an argument for a ten eight, right.

769
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 5: I think you're right.

770
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 9: And when I think about in sort of those terms

771
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 9: that he effectively broke Santos late in that round, that

772
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 9: maybe that swings it enough back to a ten nine.

773
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 5: And again all three judges did have it ten nine,

774
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 5: uh for Leo Santos.

775
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 7: Which is crazy, right because he lost the round, but

776
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 7: one right, it's like losing, that's that's what actually did it.

777
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 7: So that little effort at you know a minute, let

778
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 7: Leo Santos know it's like, no, man, I'm I'm still

779
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 7: here and I'm gonna I'm gonna come at you.

780
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 9: And I thought the judges, especially if you're listening, had

781
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 9: a great night top to bottom. There he is the

782
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 9: fucking r p L machine wearing the venom gear on

783
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 9: a Monday ye made obviously has not come in because

784
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 9: ray Longo's hair is every which way about seven seven

785
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 9: minutes tardy today, But we'll let you slide.

786
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 10: Now as long as crowds is okay, I'm good.

787
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 5: All right, that's so. What happened? What's up with seven

788
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 5: minutes late though today? What's up with like? What happened today? Moment?

789
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 10: You know? We should the times and I got to

790
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 10: adjust it? Might it might take me a couple of weeks.

791
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 7: John, Is this older generation, you know, they just they

792
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 7: don't care about time, you know, they're not like these

793
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 7: new kids that really care about right right now?

794
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 10: You You might be right, Kenny, it's hard to find

795
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 10: something to actually give me shit about. You might be

796
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 10: right about that.

797
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 7: Wow, look at him, he loves Just look at him,

798
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 7: he's here smiling.

799
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 10: We don't like Kenny? Is he in a posture of

800
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 10: like anger right now?

801
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 5: Like this means I'm not having it.

802
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, if I'm out on

803
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 10: arm Street, that's that's a posture that could provoke a problem.

804
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 5: Huh. Certainly not wearing my red long a minute gear today,

805
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 5: are we? Huh?

806
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 9: Seven minutes late in a ninety minute big pay per

807
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 9: view week Now, I'm just oh, yeah, hey, but real quick,

808
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 9: if the twelve thirty pm Eastern isn't a great slot

809
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 9: for you moving forward, we could take that conversation off

810
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 9: the air. But I want to maximize our time with

811
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 9: you because we got Toomy Krause coming up about twenty

812
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 9: one minutes and wouldn't want to keep a good man waited.

813
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 10: You know, I'll keep it short. Don't worry about it.

814
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: No, please.

815
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 9: So I have so much I want to get into

816
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 9: with you. I love when your name pops up in

817
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 9: my phone on fight night, and you know, we sort

818
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 9: of joke about it, right because every fight is different,

819
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 9: in every circumstance is different. But uh, you know, Keith

820
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 9: Peterson certainly had a long least there for mister Clay.

821
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 10: Dude, all I could think about when that fight's going

822
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 10: on is like, poor Cruise. He's in there. He's got

823
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 10: a voodoo Dolly's standing Peterson in the back with it.

824
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 10: But let's let's face it. People of it like, right,

825
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 10: oh yeah, he's burning them, yeah yeah, pouring pouring beer

826
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 10: on his head, burning them with cigarettes. Let me tell you,

827
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 10: I mean, come on, man, you got to make the

828
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 10: case that Peterson might be the best ref out there

829
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 10: at this point.

830
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 5: I agree. I agree.

831
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 10: He's okay, he's listening, he's present, and even with morob uh,

832
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 10: he told me, look as long as you he was listening,

833
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 10: he was doing what I was telling them, and I'm

834
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 10: sure Clay did the same. Look what happened, man, You know,

835
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 10: other refs could have jumped the gun. Two guys would

836
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 10: have been denied victories that were absolutely phenomenal. And you know,

837
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 10: it's all good. But I do when I see that,

838
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 10: I just all right, hat Cruz just doesn't listen. I

839
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 10: guess that's where I'm going with this. He doesn't listen. Oh,

840
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 10: sometimes you can't be the guy talking. You have to listen.

841
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 9: So I truly want to maximize our time with you.

842
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 9: So if you have anything for us on Jose al

843
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 9: though we spent the first twenty minutes of the show

844
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 9: on this man, but what else can you say about

845
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 9: Jose Oluta look in prime at thirty five.

846
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 10: I mean, look, this is a this is phenomenal because

847
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 10: you know, I always go back to I think I

848
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 10: was in the locker room once ten years ago and

849
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 10: they said, this guy has trouble making forty five. Now

850
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 10: he comes down to thirty five at a later you know,

851
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 10: a later point in his career where that should be

852
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 10: really hard. Juey, Look, never quit, never give up, believe

853
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 10: in yourself, find the right people, you know, develop another passion,

854
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 10: you know, a renewed passion. I mean, this guy is

855
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 10: you know, just what he's doing is is pretty phenomenal

856
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 10: for a variety of reasons. Right, and man, he looked

857
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 10: he looked good. And Rob Font, you know, look, we

858
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 10: knew he had a chance of winning that fight. You know,

859
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 10: he was. He came out, he had a great first round.

860
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 10: He got caught at the end. But you know, Jose

861
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 10: shots had just more pop to him. And look that's

862
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 10: where experience really plays off, you know. And I'm you know,

863
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 10: I always talk about this before, and I'm not sure

864
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 10: Rob Font wasn't totally you know, enamid with the Jose Aldo.

865
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 10: You know, you had to know he had to look

866
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 10: up to him. There's a difference when a guy like that.

867
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 10: You might think about it, right, Kenny, but then you

868
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 10: get in the ring and you go, what if this

869
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 10: guy still has it? Then he starts leg kicking him

870
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 10: on the advice of his corner, which was I think

871
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 10: a total game changer. I think that that was a

872
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 10: huge game change of something as simple as that. But

873
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 10: you know, the the Jose Aldo we we loved burying

874
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 10: people's legs kind of resurfaced a little bit. He got

875
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 10: the couple of caf kicks off and uh again, experience

876
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 10: being with the same guy. I think him and Paris,

877
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 10: I mean, phenomenal. It's a great story all the way around.

878
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 10: I mean, I really hope he be you know, he

879
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 10: gets what he wants, which is a championship, which I

880
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 10: don't think is going to be easy. But just the

881
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 10: fact that he called out Dilla Shaw, his head's in

882
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 10: the right spot. He's just a veteran that it just

883
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 10: seems like he became a He's a great person too.

884
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 10: He's just everything he does is right, you know. At

885
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 10: this point, so.

886
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 7: Ray, I agree, the clouds parted and the angels started

887
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 7: singing when he was landing those leg kicks.

888
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 10: You're like that, that's the guy who want like, holy crap,

889
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 10: he does have it. I don't know why he wasn't

890
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 10: doing it, but yeah, it was a It was a

891
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 10: great fight, it really was. And uh, you know, he

892
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 10: knew how to space it out. He'd be not that

893
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 10: he strolled on the ground, but again it veteran moves

894
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 10: all the way around. You know, he took he knew

895
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 10: how to take time more off that he needed while

896
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 10: still controlling him. And then you know, getting back up,

897
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 10: he had it. You know, still had a lot of

898
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 10: pop left. Yeah, just great. Every I don't know what

899
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 10: else to say unless you have something specific, but if

900
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 10: that was perfect, A great guy, I think is going

901
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 10: to go out of this sport loved by more people

902
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 10: than when he was the champion.

903
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 9: I'm telling you, my eyes told me this was his

904
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 9: toughest s bandam weight cut when I sort of saw

905
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 9: the after effects on Friday, and I do think he

906
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 9: was fatigued in this fight. So again, as he continues

907
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 9: to make this cut, I think it does bear watching.

908
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 9: But again, if you're generally speaking, eating cheeseburgers as a

909
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 9: featherweight whenever you want, which was the case for Joseado

910
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 9: and then you make wholesale lifestyle changes. He's not that

911
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 9: surprised that he has had an easier time with some

912
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 9: of these training camps and cuts to thirty five than

913
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 9: he did for forty five because of those changes. Like

914
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 9: when Kem Flow was making fifty five, like he was

915
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 9: eating clean you know, like, this isn't Keem Flow fucking

916
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 9: Ultimate Fighter season one circa two thousand and five in

917
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 9: the middleweight division.

918
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 10: That's so fun?

919
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 5: Two five?

920
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 10: He wasn't around in two thousand and five?

921
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 5: Was he April five? Ken flon season one of the

922
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 5: Ulti Fighters?

923
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 10: I mean, how old is this guy? And this is crazy.

924
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 9: You're asking the president of Team Flory and he was

925
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 9: born May twenty sixth, nineteen seventy six in Westwood.

926
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 10: Massachuess, oh, Ken, you could never leave this guy no

927
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 10: matter what I know. Tell you that.

928
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 9: That's probably the conversation he has with Clark about the

929
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 9: show at times.

930
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 5: At the end of the year.

931
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 9: Clark's like, wait a second, you gave Annik every Monday

932
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 9: again and that's what he pay me.

933
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 10: Wait, wait, is Clark a fan of Johnson?

934
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 9: No, she is, of course, she is a fan, very

935
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 9: good I'm just saying why. But she is like, hey,

936
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 9: and you memb line in my husband's pockets here you

937
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 9: take every Monday. And Kenny's like, you don't understand, Like

938
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 9: he's the president of my team. I can't like he's

939
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 9: a fan. He's like a fan of mind Clark. I

940
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 9: don't know what to tell you, all right. So when

941
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 9: Raphael Phazevee lands the spinning wheel kick on Bradridell, you

942
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 9: sort of see on the replay the way he kind

943
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 9: of makes a shift in his foot to set up

944
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 9: the right angle. And then obviously you have to accurate

945
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 9: with the spinning strike. You don't have to be perfect, right,

946
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 9: and you know he's not throwing it with every miles

947
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 9: per hour within him. I just thought it was just

948
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 9: a perfectly executed strike, and in a matchup like this

949
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 9: that is so technical, that's rooted in familiarity, I just

950
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 9: thought it was a brilliant, classic strike to end a great,

951
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 9: great fight.

952
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, very very technical. You know, one zig when you

953
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 10: should have zagged, which is what happened, and that's what

954
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 10: happens that fight I had very close. I don't know

955
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 10: how they were going to score that fight, but I

956
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 10: saw it is very very close. Definitely, you could see

957
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 10: both guys knew each other. There wasn't you know, they

958
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 10: knew that the wrong move could end the fight. But yeah,

959
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 10: any look, anytime you're moving that way, even as a fight,

960
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 10: you have to know that it's either a left hook

961
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 10: or a spin right. You're gonna try to cut the

962
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 10: guy who off you go the other way, it's gonna

963
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 10: be an overhand right or something. So I think that

964
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 10: was a mistake by Riddell just going that way right

965
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 10: fill within striking distance, not having a hand, you know,

966
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 10: which kind have prevented a lot of stuff. But if

967
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 10: you watch Riddell, he would move with his hands down.

968
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 10: Then he would automatically go into his guard when he

969
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 10: was prepared to fight, so he got caught in between.

970
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 10: And like, again, these are two high level guys that

971
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 10: I thought Riddell looked great in that fight. I think

972
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 10: they both look great. So I too, physiv he's on

973
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 10: a roll and uh that was good.

974
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 5: All right.

975
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 9: We got some other things that I want to get to.

976
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 9: One thing I didn't get to that I just wanted

977
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 9: to circle back to real quickly. I shared the pisser

978
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 9: with your guy, al Jamaine Sterling Saturday night, and I

979
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 9: said to him before the fight, I said, I guess

980
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 9: if your team Sterling, you just want Rob font and

981
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 9: Joseildo to beat the shit out of each other. And

982
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 9: that's exactly what happened. But as you think about this,

983
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 9: I think you're probably thinking about this from a Sterling perspective.

984
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 9: So what do you think about, uh, the unification belt

985
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 9: with yan al Joe's relative health and Jose Aldo in

986
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 9: terms of factoring into all of that.

987
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 10: Yeah, look, I mean I think you know, Aljo's got

988
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 10: to concentrate on jan which obviously is a really hard

989
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 10: puzzled solid this point. But I think the funny part

990
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 10: to me was when I looked at they they had

991
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 10: like the fights to make, and they had you know,

992
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 10: they were thrown. Nobody's even mentioned in Morob. I'd love

993
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 10: to see Morob against Font as the next fight, you

994
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 10: know what I mean? I think you know what I mean, Like,

995
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 10: I don't know why they're bringing up other people. He's

996
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 10: what does he ranked number five?

997
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: Now?

998
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 10: Got to be right there, you know what I mean?

999
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 5: So it's very interesting.

1000
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 10: Yeah, they didn't even mention the guy's name, I mean,

1001
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 10: which is which is crazy. I can't because I can't

1002
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 10: even pronounce it like you, so every time you say it,

1003
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 10: I I got right, yeah Wallace. But anyway, but yeah,

1004
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 10: so al Joe, look, Aljo's gotta worry about one thing,

1005
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 10: and that's Peter, and that's we're not getting past that.

1006
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 10: I don't think it matters what anybody does until he

1007
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 10: gets past that fight. Yeah. So I just thought, you know,

1008
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 10: going the other way, like Morob needs a fight. I

1009
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 10: think those makes for great fights. Man five round to

1010
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 10: give them a five round because he's not going to stop.

1011
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 9: And yeah, I know, those Morob training camps on the

1012
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 9: other side are always fun, right rooted and take down

1013
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 9: defense and getting out of bad positions. And uh, we've

1014
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 9: talked a lot on this podcast about how you prepare

1015
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 9: for somebody like Morob. You know, do you put yourself

1016
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 9: in the bad spot perpetually in training camp or do

1017
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 9: you say, you know what, we're not going to win

1018
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 9: this fight if we let him get on our lead legs,

1019
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 9: So let's just not let him get there.

1020
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 5: You know. I think that's a very interesting conversation.

1021
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 10: Yeah. No, no matter who you training, though, John, you

1022
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 10: should be training bad positions, right, Kenny. I mean that

1023
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 10: should just be you know. One of the basic things

1024
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 10: you know, like was explained to even with jiu jitsu,

1025
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 10: is that you know, all you work at the beginning

1026
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 10: this and I'm going back, but you know, just to

1027
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 10: mount escape, escape them out. You never want to be there, right,

1028
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 10: That's not way you want to be, right. That's why

1029
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 10: they get you a hell out of there as quick

1030
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 10: as possible. You don't want to settle in while the

1031
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 10: guy's mounted on. You got to keep booking, man, So

1032
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 10: same thing, those positions have to be. I don't care

1033
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 10: who you fighting, right, because you never know when they're

1034
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 10: going to occur. And you've been to you better be

1035
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 10: used to him.

1036
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 9: Cody, if you could text James Krause and back him

1037
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 9: up five minutes due to long ghost tardiness, we would

1038
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 9: really appreciate that because I want to get other performances. Well,

1039
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 9: why else would I be backing him up? Man, I

1040
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 9: could handle that off the air, but you were sitting late,

1041
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 9: so I want to buy buy another five minutes out

1042
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 9: of here.

1043
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 10: I really appreciate that.

1044
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 9: So Chris Curtis and uh, this whole mma. Everybody's so

1045
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 9: sensitive commentators, coaches, fighters, you know, everybody's let me say.

1046
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 10: Some beautiful team. I'll tink Bisbee and DC any day.

1047
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 10: Let him.

1048
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, all right, Chris Curtis the action man

1049
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 9: over Brendan Allen. Chris Curtis is six and zero in

1050
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 9: twenty twenty one. This fight has a lot of different storylines,

1051
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 9: and Chris Curtis won the first round on all three

1052
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 9: judges scorecards and is supremely well coached and he executes

1053
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 9: well and he's an underrated fighter and all of that.

1054
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 9: But Brendan Allen to me, I'll lead with Ray, and

1055
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 9: I want to get Kenny's thoughts on this as well.

1056
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 9: Like I feel like sometimes he approaches MMA like its

1057
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 9: basket and that eventually he'll just be able to come

1058
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 9: back and win the game if things don't go super well,

1059
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 9: and in MMA, like you can't fuck around, you know.

1060
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 9: And I'm not saying he beats Chris Curtis nine times

1061
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 9: out of ten. You know, maybe if they fight again,

1062
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 9: Chris Curtis is favored. I'm not trying to take anything

1063
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 9: away from Chris Curtis, but I hear the other fighters

1064
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 9: talk about Brendan Allen as this five tool player, and

1065
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 9: I think he's that. But like, you can't just fuck

1066
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 9: around in the sport and get hit or you're gonna

1067
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 9: pay the ultimate price. And to me, I don't know

1068
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 9: what Henry Hoof has to say, but like you got

1069
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 9: to raise the guard man, you gotta be more disciplined

1070
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 9: because these are setbacks that eventually are gonna really get

1071
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 9: you off your championship trajectory and you're never gonna be

1072
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 9: able to get back up.

1073
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 10: Yeah. Yeah, well, firstly, I'm not even going to address

1074
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 10: the fight, but I'll just let's address the mindset. Like

1075
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 10: something's off right, Like something technically looks like he's got

1076
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 10: he's got the physique, he's got the technique, but you

1077
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 10: don't really you know sometimes like you're watching a guy

1078
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 10: on TV and you don't know him. You know, only

1079
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 10: the people inside that training room know him. Right, So

1080
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 10: I'm saying something could possibly be off, like more mentally

1081
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 10: than physically, and you're right, those those losses will start

1082
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 10: to affect your head and you know, you got to

1083
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 10: deal with all the people then busting your bulls afterwards.

1084
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 10: You should have did this, you should have did that.

1085
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 10: It it gets torture for these guys, but i'd have

1086
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 10: to really get to know the guy and see what's

1087
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 10: going on. But uh, yeah, I don't know.

1088
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 5: I agree, John Listen.

1089
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 7: I think that, you know, fundamentally, he was just keeping

1090
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 7: his head right in that center line, wasn't moving his head,

1091
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 7: kept dipping his head straight back, offering up a target

1092
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 7: and got hit. And it's like, you know, listen, man,

1093
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 7: if you if you're not learning from the first five times,

1094
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 7: then you know it's gonna happen. The knockout's gonna be

1095
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 7: there no matter how good your chin is. And Curtis

1096
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 7: is a hungry fighter who hits hard as hell, and

1097
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 7: once he started finding his mark, similar to the Phil

1098
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 7: Hawes fight, he was going to go right back there

1099
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 7: until there was a change. And Brendan Allen was not adapting.

1100
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 7: And I don't know if it's a stubborness thing. I

1101
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 7: don't know if there's some kind of other mental thing,

1102
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 7: or just a big time fundamental flaw or a combination

1103
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 7: of all those things. But something needed to change because

1104
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 7: you know, yeah, how many shots can you take, even

1105
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 7: if you're getting to win, how many shots do you

1106
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 7: want to take? You know, if it's not necessary to

1107
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 7: take those shots, don't do it. I think that at

1108
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 7: the end of the you know, at the end of

1109
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 7: the day here, he didn't have to do that to

1110
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 7: win that fight like he was. He could have, you know,

1111
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 7: won from the outside and been more technical, slipped his

1112
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 7: head to the outside and won that fight. But he

1113
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 7: just didn't take that. It's almost like he's like, all right,

1114
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 7: we're here, just gonna make it a war. And you

1115
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 7: know how not everybody can go out there and win

1116
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 7: every single war like that.

1117
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 9: And I'm not suggesting that he would have been able

1118
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 9: to take Chris Curtis down if he was rooted in

1119
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 9: that game plan and that strategy to submit him. But

1120
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 9: to me, like on paper, that's a grappling fight for

1121
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 9: Brendan Allen fight.

1122
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, look the other thing too, Kenny, is

1123
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 10: there were all guys that they developed a way of

1124
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 10: fighting with the head up right, some guys get away

1125
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 10: with that. He looks a little stiff for that normally

1126
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 10: got to be more elusive and a lot of heav

1127
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 10: movement and yeah, so he doesn't look like that guy.

1128
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 10: So he might just be courted between what he thinks

1129
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 10: he should be doing what he really should be doing.

1130
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 10: But point, you know, I don't know. But again I

1131
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 10: think what everything John, you got to really know the

1132
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 10: person because sometimes they look totally different than you talk

1133
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 10: to a guy and you go, holy shit, he's at it,

1134
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 10: you know, he's at his fucking mind, Like how does

1135
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 10: this guy even fight?

1136
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 5: So and I think it was Jack Slack who put it.

1137
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 9: Chris Curtis is one of the best stories and things

1138
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 9: going on in MMA right now. A guy who had

1139
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 9: ten dollars in his bank account now has back to

1140
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 9: back wins.

1141
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 5: Over highly touted prospects.

1142
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 9: Phil Haws and Brennan Allen are like number sixteen, number

1143
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 9: seventeen in the world kid, you know, And he was

1144
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 9: in this weekend.

1145
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 5: I love it, like he's like anyone wants to drop out,

1146
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 5: I'm in Like I love him.

1147
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 9: You know, Nick sick and Strickland obviously in his corner,

1148
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 9: and Strickland doing a great job in terms of some

1149
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 9: of the communication especially, but you know, attacking the body right,

1150
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 9: and man, he didn't miss in terms of setting up

1151
00:51:58,880 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 9: the fight ending shot.

1152
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 10: He talking talking about attacking the body. Did you see

1153
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 10: my guy just A Montalvo this week?

1154
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 9: Well, you know, his dad Cody alerted us to the

1155
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 9: fact that his father is an Anakin. Floran podcast listener.

1156
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 10: Hey, oh, listen, Ernie. Shout out to Ernie Montalvo. Listen,

1157
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 10: It's it's great to see a bond between a father

1158
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 10: and son like these two guys have. Ernie's just there's

1159
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 10: nothing this guy wouldn't do for his kids, nothing like.

1160
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 10: He's just just a great guy. And just a shout

1161
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 10: out to Ernie. Definitely helped me out a lot this weekend,

1162
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 10: and just a just a great guy. And and Justin

1163
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 10: I thought, you know, first time in a bigger promotion,

1164
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 10: he's absolutely phenomenal. You know, maybe fell in love with

1165
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 10: the body shots a little too much, but that's what

1166
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 10: he loves. Man, And he's he's good. He's he's really

1167
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 10: really good. Beautiful takedown defense. I thought the kid, I

1168
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 10: thought it was a perfect fight, and he got three

1169
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 10: rounds in of uh, you know, letting his hands go

1170
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 10: against a very tough kid who he couldn't get rid of,

1171
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 10: you know what I mean. Song.

1172
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 9: Yeah, no good times for for the Ray Longo Fight Team,

1173
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 9: There's no doubt about it, including the president of your

1174
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 9: fan club, Cody Merrow, producer.

1175
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 10: Wait, let me clean us up. It's the Sarah Lango

1176
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 10: Fight Team. Start with the raylan fight. Why are you

1177
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 10: doing that to that guy, Sarah A.

1178
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 5: Longo, it's my lawyers.

1179
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 10: It's my lawyers.

1180
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 9: Man, this has nothing I'm not trying to get so

1181
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 9: long Ago. Yeah, dude, come on, Team Sarah long it's.

1182
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 10: They that's done a great job with this guy's jiu jitsu.

1183
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 10: Very what like?

1184
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 8: Then?

1185
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 9: Why how come your all of your athletes are buying

1186
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 9: this gear?

1187
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 5: Okay, so you can blame Cody.

1188
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 9: The ray Longo Fight Team gear has nothing to do

1189
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 9: with me, Okay, Sarah long Ago, I won't you know, John?

1190
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 7: Is it because he has a rival podcast? Is that

1191
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 7: what it is? I know he's.

1192
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 5: Got a rival. No, I don't know.

1193
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 9: I don't know if they're No, if we are, you know,

1194
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 9: if we're rivals, if the listeners, oh.

1195
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 5: Man, Matt, Sarah's gonna have a word with you, Johnny.

1196
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 9: He didn't even say hi to me, be upset about

1197
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 9: the ray Longo Fight Team gear, which there's no roots

1198
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 9: or any direct there's nothing. You could look at my

1199
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 9: cell phone. The origination had nothing to do with me.

1200
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 9: This guy can't even say hi to me In New York.

1201
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 9: He's coming up staying, what are you wearings?

1202
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 10: Aren't you? Aren't you guys? Blunt buddies. I mean, there's

1203
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 10: no loyalty, no loyalty with blunt buddies.

1204
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 5: I'm telling you we'll have to I hope we can

1205
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 5: bury the hatchet.

1206
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 9: I just was I thought it was a little off

1207
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 9: putting the way I was approached in New York City,

1208
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 9: when again, this had everything to do with Cody, nothing

1209
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 9: to do with me. But no, we're all happy for

1210
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 9: the team's success and uh thank you. Yeah, uh all right,

1211
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 9: So I'm trying to think if there's anything else on

1212
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 9: the spike. Oh yeah, all right, dude, William Knight is

1213
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 9: a specimen. I can't even call his.

1214
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 10: But is there any way he's not on something? Is

1215
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 10: that clean?

1216
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 5: Is clean?

1217
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 10: Unbelievable? Yeah, he's clean, unbelievable guy, Jack Jack.

1218
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 5: He's a weight room warrior. He's a hell of a

1219
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 5: light heavyweight.

1220
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 9: And even though maybe uh I thought this fight was

1221
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 9: Alonzo Menafields and maybe I would have scored it that way,

1222
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 9: all three judges had it for William Knight. Power to him, rep.

1223
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 9: And he's Hafford, Connecticut. But I'm just saying, like I

1224
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 9: found myself. If you go back like I didn't call

1225
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 9: the fight, I'm stopping and staring as a play by

1226
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 9: play announcer. We stopped calling the fight because I can't

1227
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 9: take my eyes off William Knight. Dude's just a fucking gangsters.

1228
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 10: He's making the best of his time in the UFC.

1229
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 10: I could tell you that.

1230
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 5: And he's got heart too, you know what I mean, Like.

1231
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 10: He doesn't like adversity.

1232
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 9: Did good, Yeah, Kenny, I don't know if you have

1233
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 9: anything for us on that that third round. Obviously Alonzo

1234
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 9: Menifield had some control in the clinch, but then William

1235
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 9: Knight had the bigger moments, largely on the feet, and

1236
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 9: I think.

1237
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 10: That's what the difference. Yeah, Yeah, that was the difference. Yeah,

1238
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 10: and I think we all try to that was the difference.

1239
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 10: Every time he did something, it's like, holy crap, you know,

1240
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 10: he's just flinging them all over the place. But yeah,

1241
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 10: I thought men Offield did do a good job. And

1242
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 10: I'd have to go back and look, I don't even

1243
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 10: know how it would have scored that fight, but I

1244
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 10: actually thought men Offield was going to get the nod.

1245
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,479
Speaker 9: If you are going to classify what Zoe was doing

1246
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 9: Kenny as octagon control, then I think you give the

1247
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 9: round to William Knight because octagon control is not even

1248
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 9: a secondary consideration. It's tertiary, which means that you don't

1249
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 9: go to it unless it's a tiebreaker situation. Maybe that's

1250
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 9: probably the way we put it on broadcast, that octagon

1251
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 9: control is kind of like a tie breaker if you

1252
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 9: can't produce a winner, Right, Hi, Raymond, you got anything

1253
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 9: else for us?

1254
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 5: Go ahead?

1255
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 10: I mean a real shout out to Clay Gweeder. I mean,

1256
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 10: come on, man, the guy's gonna turn forty. This guy's

1257
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 10: been around for revers still energy off the charts. I

1258
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 10: mean great seeing his parents. I got to meet him

1259
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 10: one time. Just sold to the Earth people. They're just great,

1260
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 10: great people. There's a great story, Claig Weed. I think

1261
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 10: that's the story. The guy's fort he's not stopping. I

1262
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 10: don't know, you know, it's just a I was so

1263
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 10: happy for the guy winning because yeah, you know, I mean,

1264
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 10: choking out an eight time Brazilian jiu jitsu champion. That's crazy, yeah, unbelievable.

1265
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 9: All right, Uh, Dustin Poier Charles olivera UFC lightweight championship

1266
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 9: this weekend. You have a prediction for our listeners.

1267
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 10: I'm going with Dustin Potier.

1268
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 9: Okay, all right, it's amazing. I will find people who

1269
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 9: are picking Charles before.

1270
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 10: The end of Oh well, nobody's picking Charles.

1271
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 9: I think it's closer to a pick him. We'll see

1272
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 9: what Ken Flow and James Kraus and Joe Osborne have

1273
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 9: to say later today. I thought it would be closer

1274
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 9: to a pick him. Dustin is in the minus one

1275
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 9: seventy range or so. And it seems like most people

1276
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 9: that I talk to, fighters, coaches are picking Dustin so well.

1277
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 10: Siman, Look, I mean, Dustin has four so unbelievable competition.

1278
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 10: He's on a roll. Uh you know, Olavera has broken

1279
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 10: and you know, go back to the Felder fight. I

1280
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 10: think it's going to be similar to that where he

1281
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 10: just gets broken down by a big, strong guy. And uh,

1282
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 10: that's the way I'm seeing.

1283
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 5: It, all right, my man, great to see you.

1284
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 10: Oh it's all lost, you guys. You guys don't even

1285
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 10: know what you did for my Monday morning. No idea

1286
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Speaker 10: fucking ruined it completely. I'm only kidding great times with you.

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Speaker 10: I'll take it up with that. Get that posturing where

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Speaker 10: you fold your arms like, hey, motherfucker, Yeah, what'd you say?

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Speaker 10: You're looking at me? You're looking at me.

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Speaker 9: Look at my haters ammunition today, you know, right, they

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Speaker 5: Come get some that.

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Speaker 10: got back in.

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Speaker 9: The even probably gonna turn on me by the end

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Speaker 9: to the main event challenge.

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Speaker 4: It's the main event challenge.

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Speaker 4: It's the main event challenge to John Hannick and Kenny

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Speaker 5: All right and back by popular demand.

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Speaker 9: I feel less handsome every time this guy enters the

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Speaker 9: room at the James Krause on social media, UFC veteran

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Speaker 9: and my twenty twenty Coach of the Year, James Krause,

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Speaker 9: what's good man, how was your weekend?

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Speaker 8: Well, it depends on from what perspective you're looking at.

1342
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 8: From the perspective, not very good, Yeah, not very good?

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Speaker 5: Are you good?

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Speaker 9: He wheels up to Vegas with Derek Minner in a

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Speaker 9: few days or what you got it?

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Speaker 8: On Wednesday? I'll be there. That's a fun one. That's

1347
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 8: a really interesting one. Man. Like I'll tell you what

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01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 8: I uh. Coaching against a guy like Ryan Hall. Like

1349
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 8: everything that I teach, you have to like unwind with

1350
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 8: the guy like Ryan Hall, because I'm very big on

1351
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 8: on like half guard and throwing one hook in on

1352
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 8: the back. But like with a guy like a good

1353
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 8: leg locker like Ryan Hall, you can't do any single

1354
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 8: leg isolation at all, ever, like ever, right, So like

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01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 8: it's it's it's been interesting. It's been really fun for

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01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 8: me to coach against you know, no takedowns and I

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01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 8: shouldn't say no takedowns, but like selective takedowns on how

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 8: you're doing that, but like zero single egg isolation, which

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01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 8: is completely against everything that I teach and grappling for him.

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Speaker 9: Wow, that's fascinating. I'm glad that you got that out

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01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 9: there to our listenership. Two bad ken Flow is not

1362
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 9: going to be in the Ryan Hall corner. You guys

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01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 9: would be coaching against each other. But fascinating matchup nonetheless,

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01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 9: And I believe your guy Derek Minner is the favorite

1365
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 9: right now.

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Speaker 5: Is that he's the dog.

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Speaker 8: He's plus two hundred.

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Speaker 5: I think, is he really? Well? Very interesting?

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01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 9: That is not a lean. I just I had that

1370
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Speaker 9: flip flop. I think, well, right, last week, Ken Flow

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Speaker 9: led the way two and three on his picks cross

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Speaker 9: Goes one and four. Both of Ken Flow's hits were underdogs,

1373
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Speaker 9: though Joe.

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Speaker 8: Ten seconds away.

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Speaker 7: Brof Well, I know.

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Speaker 9: Ken Flow two and three, but his underdogs were winners

1377
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Speaker 9: jose Ataw and Claig Wita. So if you did trail

1378
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Speaker 9: Can Flow hundred dollars on all of this plays, you

1379
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 9: were in the black plus fifteen dollars even with a

1380
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Speaker 9: sub five hundred record.

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Speaker 5: Just wanted to point that out.

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Speaker 9: Eight picks today, guys, So we'll try to be somewhat

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Speaker 9: go ahead, John, I liked.

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Speaker 7: I like that, Like I would be curious to see

1385
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 7: so for twenty twenty two adding up right, both James

1386
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 7: and I picks all that stuff, assuming and seeing what

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Speaker 7: the like what the cumulative effort is at the end

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Speaker 7: of the year, like monetarily, would be really interesting. I

1389
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 7: don't think we ever done it for but I like

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01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 7: the way you're doing it now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 9: No, And I think that that's we're trying to figure

1393
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 9: out a scoring system for next year.

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Speaker 5: The tricky thing is that.

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Speaker 9: The way, right, Yeah, I think that's got to be

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01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 9: the way. The tricky thing is that so if you

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01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 9: if you guys pick Brendan Allen and he's minus three twenty, right,

1398
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 9: So if you're putting a hundred bucks on Brendan Allen,

1399
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Speaker 9: you're only winning thirty three dollars, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 9: So it just has to I just have to figure

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01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 9: out how I want to handle the math. Because both

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Speaker 9: of you guys picked Brendan Allen. I believe that's minus

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Speaker 9: three hundred and twenty dollars if you're trying to win

1404
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 9: one hundred bucks, right, So I just math. But I

1405
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 9: do think that's the way to go. All right, first

1406
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 9: fight for us, this is a prelimit heavyweight. Largely we're

1407
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 9: picking it because it's a pick him, and uh it

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01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 9: piques my interest minus one ten on both sides right

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01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 9: now in DraftKings sports Book, Ti tu Ivasa and Augusto Sakai.

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01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 9: So you know, Touyvasa James, you know, would have been

1411
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 9: easy for him to kind of pack it in with

1412
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 9: three straight losses, you know, but he did some work,

1413
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 9: particularly when it comes to the wrestling. Now he's won

1414
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 9: three in a row. Your thoughts on him here against

1415
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 9: uh Sekai?

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 8: Gosh, dang man, it's this is a really tough one

1417
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 8: because I feel like Sakaia is extremely underrated at heavyweight

1418
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 8: and uh he is durable enough to take some of

1419
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 8: ties punches. His volume is a little like my My

1420
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 8: gripe with with Toivasa is his volume. That's my complaint

1421
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 8: with him. His volume is not high enough, and uh

1422
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 8: he always looks for that one. My problem is, is

1423
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 8: ah man, that one's a hammer. I know what I'm

1424
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 8: gonna lean a U Sakai here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is a hard fight to pick, right.

1426
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 9: I think Sakai to some people is the lesser known

1427
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 9: quantity right started his UFC career four and oh and

1428
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 9: then got a couple of back to back UFC main events.

1429
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 9: He went twenty five minutes or close to it with

1430
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 9: austrovery I believe, before being finished, then stopped by Biggie

1431
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 9: Boy Uh last June. What do you think Ken Flow,

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01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 9: Tuyvasa and Sakaia pick him here?

1433
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, this and rightfully so, I think this is a

1434
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 7: close one to call. I'm gonna go with touey Vasa.

1435
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 7: I think that his power is not to be underestimated.

1436
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 7: I think if he's able to get on the inside

1437
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 7: and hurt Sakai, he can get the finish. But it

1438
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 7: is tough, Like James said, you know, but both these

1439
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 7: guys that they kind of suffer from that.

1440
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 5: Lack of volume. But they are heavyweights. But let's go

1441
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 5: with tooy Boston.

1442
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 9: See if touy Vasa goes leg kick heavy against Sakai

1443
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 9: early preliam at Banham, weaight also a pick him right now.

1444
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 9: Number eight Pedro Munos minus won ten, tenth rank Domina

1445
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 9: Cruz is minus won ten. Munyo's James off A lost

1446
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 9: to Joseido in August. Cruz has had nine months or

1447
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 9: so since his win over Casey Kenny back in March.

1448
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 5: What do you think about this one?

1449
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is another really tough one.

1450
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 9: Uh.

1451
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 8: I want to lean. I want to leave lean Pedro

1452
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 8: Munoz And I gotta be honest with you guys, these

1453
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 8: two fights. I don't feel good about either one of them,

1454
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 8: you know.

1455
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 6: So, Yeah, I would I would rather.

1456
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 8: I would rather the play be like I get to

1457
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 8: pick which ones I get to pick?

1458
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 5: You know. But since we're just going.

1459
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 8: Down the line, this is this is a little uh,

1460
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 8: this is a little tougher, but uh, I'm gonna lean

1461
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 8: Pedro Munoz here. I like the footwork of Cruz. I

1462
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 8: think he's he's great. I just I feel like he's

1463
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 8: everything's catching up to him a little bit. I think

1464
01:05:57,080 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 8: he's great still, uh, but I I do think the

1465
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 8: game is catching up to him a little bit. And

1466
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,919
Speaker 8: I'm gonna lean Pedro Munos here. I like Pedro. He's

1467
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 8: very smart, kicks kicks well, big puncher, good good gillatine,

1468
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 8: He's got a lot of good stuff. Is a coin

1469
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 8: flip fight for me. I'm just telling you, guys, my gut,

1470
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 8: I don't feel good about either one of these about

1471
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 8: either one of these picks, but I'm leaning Pedro Munos

1472
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 8: on this one.

1473
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Speaker 9: I had some of those same sentiments about Dominic Cruz

1474
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 9: in terms of some question marks going into the Casey

1475
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 9: Kenny fight. At full disclosure, he's one of my best

1476
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 9: friends in the world, But Kenny, you know this, like,

1477
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 9: I wasn't sure if his speed would still be there,

1478
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 9: and I think for his footwork he needs to still

1479
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 9: have that quickness, and I felt like largely he did

1480
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 9: have it against Casey Kenny. I would also say to you, Kenny,

1481
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 9: style wise, you gotta think Cruzy like this matchup. Otherwise

1482
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 9: a guy at this stage of his career, as thoughtful

1483
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 9: as he is, he probably wouldn't have taken it. What

1484
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 9: are your thoughts on Dominic Cruz against Pedro Munoz here, Kenny, listen, I.

1485
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 7: Think Pedro Munos is a very dangerous guy, and Dominic

1486
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 7: is gonna need an answer to those leg kicks as

1487
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 7: far as getting cut up as he tries to loop

1488
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 7: around and find his angles.

1489
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 5: So dom has been around a long time.

1490
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 7: I think he's very self aware though, as far as

1491
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 7: you know his capabilities, his vulnerabilities, and you know, one.

1492
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 5: Of the smartest fighters in the game.

1493
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 7: I still think that he has it, and I agree

1494
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 7: with both of you guys that you know, hey, as

1495
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 7: you get older, you're not gonna be as fast, and

1496
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 7: his footwork is a major, major, major part of his game.

1497
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 7: Has it diminished a little bit, maybe, But I still

1498
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 7: think Dominic has enough. I still think he's crafty enough.

1499
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 7: I still think he's gonna be able to confuse Munio's munios.

1500
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 7: To be effective, needs guys right in front of him,

1501
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 7: and I don't think dom is that guy. So if

1502
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 7: dom can stay on that bike, stay moving, shoot and move,

1503
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 7: you know, maybe hit some takedowns, maybe land some shots,

1504
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 7: and keep moving, I think Dominic Cruz win this fight.

1505
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 7: But this is a fascinating, fascinating one to see if

1506
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 7: Dominic is.

1507
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 5: Losing a step or not.

1508
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 7: But I still think Dominic absolutely is one of the

1509
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 7: best bantam weights in the world.

1510
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's can.

1511
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 8: Literally change my pick. As you guys were talking, I've

1512
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 8: literally in my head changed my pick three times. All right,

1513
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 8: I'm like, no, he's got a point.

1514
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 9: And then I was like, na, for the record, you

1515
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 9: always reserve the right to text Cody and change your

1516
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 9: selection up until flight time. And he will update the

1517
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 9: masses on social media. So all right, moving on Huge

1518
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 9: fight if Featherway guys. Josh Emmett minus two twenty Danny

1519
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 9: Gay plus one eighty. So Emmet back from the invasive

1520
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 9: knee surgery and the extended rehab that followed the Shane

1521
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 9: Burgos war and win which came June of twenty twenty,

1522
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 9: So James pretty remarkable given the severity of the knee injury.

1523
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 9: Seventeen months or so, emmed is back in a high

1524
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 9: profile spot about a two to one favorite here against

1525
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 9: Danny Gay.

1526
01:08:55,640 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 8: Your thoughts, I have bet against Egay too many times,

1527
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 8: too many times, and uh, man, I just I don't

1528
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 8: know why either. I can't tell you why. I can't

1529
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 8: tell you why he's He's I've lost a lot of

1530
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 8: money on him, and then I got smart and then

1531
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 8: I've won a lot of money on him. However, I

1532
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,719
Speaker 8: do feel like Emmett is just a really, really difficult

1533
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 8: matchup for him. Man, uh inm it.

1534
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 10: Is is.

1535
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 8: He can wrestle, he's got power, he's got great boxing.

1536
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 8: I mean this is another really difficult matchup because he

1537
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 8: Ga is one of those guys that this doesn't go away.

1538
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 8: You know what, I mean, I don't think him it's

1539
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 8: gonna get tired though. I don't think he's gonna go anywhere,

1540
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 8: and he has the capability to knock anybody out.

1541
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

1542
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 8: I just this was really tough. I'm gonna lean Emmitt. Uh,

1543
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say Josh Emmitt. But I don't feel good

1544
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 8: about this one either. Man. I could see he he

1545
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 8: Get is one of those guys that sticks around and

1546
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 8: like he's like a clay Gueda kind of you know

1547
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 8: what I mean, which, by the way, which, by the.

1548
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 9: Way, I I totally forgot. That's the honest answer. Okay, Right,

1549
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 9: I absolutely had every intention. I thought it was a

1550
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 9: brilliant analogy by you. And I couldn't work Chihuahua into

1551
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 9: the telecast, not because I didn't have windows, right, but yeah,

1552
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 9: I think maybe because the fight got so crazy. I

1553
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 9: don't know, it just it didn't even cross my God,

1554
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,879
Speaker 9: I know it didn't cross my mind. I can't believe

1555
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 9: it didn't cross my mind, Like I would have had

1556
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 9: to have probably written shiuaha down on my fight fighter

1557
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 9: card to make sure it.

1558
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 5: Wasn't a good enough come back for you, John.

1559
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 9: Okay, all right, thanks those chiuhas can really take fucking kicks, right,

1560
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 9: I'll tell you, ken flow, we got to move.

1561
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 5: We got fucking six fights to get. No, no, no,

1562
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 5: real quick.

1563
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,680
Speaker 9: A little background for you on Josh eammittt right, because

1564
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 9: he's won three in a row, he's sixteen to two overall,

1565
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 9: he's thirty six years old, number seven in the world.

1566
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 5: I could see him getting fast tracked to a title fight.

1567
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 9: I know Halloween Bolkanovski and if you look at the

1568
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 9: top five the other guys, but I could see him

1569
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 9: getting fast tracked to a title fight because he's he's unappreciated.

1570
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 5: His power is next level.

1571
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 9: And if he wins four in a row and gets

1572
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 9: a finish here, you know he'd have the winning streak

1573
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 9: that I think would be worthy.

1574
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 5: Do you think he can get past Danygan? I do.

1575
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with Josh Emmett as well. I think

1576
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 7: his speed and his movement is going to be the

1577
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 7: difference here. Both these guys hit like a mac truck

1578
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 7: and are capable of knocking out the other. But I

1579
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 7: do think Josh Emmett's speed and his variety of weapons,

1580
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 7: I think it is a little bit better. He's a

1581
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 7: little bit better of an athlete. I'm going with them

1582
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 7: at here.

1583
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 9: Ega coming off of a unanimous decision loss in a

1584
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 9: five round main event of the Korean Zombie on June nineteenth,

1585
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 9: and that brings us to the main card Sean O'Malley

1586
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 9: minus three twenty Howlee and pive A plus two fifty.

1587
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 9: So pive has got the red corner because he was

1588
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 9: actually the only ranked guy in this matchup at some point,

1589
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 9: but he wasn't ranked when I checked this morning when

1590
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 9: he fought Kyler Phillips. Phillips was number fourteen in the world.

1591
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 9: Pipa took his ranking. Now he's no longer ranked. Nonetheless,

1592
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 9: despite being the underdog, Piva gets the red corner again

1593
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 9: and Sean O'Malley, who James is not ranked, but I

1594
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 9: do believe O'Malley to be one of the top fifteen

1595
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 9: bandon weights in the world. How do you handicap this

1596
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 9: matchup for the Sugar Show against Halle and Piva.

1597
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, this is a tough one. Uh, I'm gonna take O'Malley,

1598
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 8: but man, I would definitely sprinkle in uh uh Peviet Pivet.

1599
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 5: Pavia, Piva, Piva.

1600
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 8: I would sprinkle p Piva by finish. Just I don't

1601
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 8: see this fight going the distance. I really don't. Uh,

1602
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 8: I'm as tough man, but I do feel like stylistically

1603
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 8: O'Malley's a sharpshooter man. I do think he's gonna find him.

1604
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 8: But I like the under. I don't know what the

1605
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 8: over under is, but I like does not go the

1606
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 8: distance and this in this fight, and if you want

1607
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 8: to get a little gangster, put uh someone on Piva

1608
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 8: as well to not go the distance.

1609
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 9: Kemflow Shaomalley fourteen and one overall six and one in

1610
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 9: the UFC last win, of course against the durable Chris Mutino,

1611
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 9: we mentioned Piva over Kyler Phillips.

1612
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 5: What do you think about this one?

1613
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 9: Here as Piva goes for the biggest win of his career,

1614
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 9: this is interesting.

1615
01:12:58,640 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 5: Man.

1616
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 7: Piva is very tough, very skilled, curious if he's able

1617
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:08,679
Speaker 7: to present some problems for O'Malley. But O'Malley very skilled man,

1618
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 7: moves extremely well. I think that, you know, if O'Malley

1619
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 7: is still hungry and you know, training like he is

1620
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 7: and improving like he is, I think this is O'Malley's fight.

1621
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 7: Kenny win by finish. I don't know, but I do

1622
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 7: like O'Malley here, I think both of these guys are underrated.

1623
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 7: The one thing I can guarantee to our audience based

1624
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 7: upon my interactions with Sean O'Malley, like you don't have

1625
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 7: to worry about the commitment, like he wants to be great.

1626
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 9: He's a willing grappler. I'm excited to see his future.

1627
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 9: But obviously a big test for him and Halle and

1628
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 9: pive all right at Flyway, Cody Garbrandt making his UFC

1629
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 9: Flyway debut. He's minus one seventy against Kai Carra France,

1630
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 9: who is plus one fifty. First fight for both guys

1631
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 9: obviously is the scale, but particularly so for Cody Garbrandt

1632
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 9: on Friday. I'd imagine most people would at least want

1633
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 9: to see him on the scale before venturing a wager.

1634
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,759
Speaker 9: Perhaps not. He's certainly a disciplined athlete, not a huge frame. James,

1635
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 9: what do you think about Garbrand's Flyway debut.

1636
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 8: I'm gonna take Garbrant here, But man, I just in

1637
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 8: this day and age, you just don't see a lot

1638
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 8: of people, especially that thirty five I have the twenty

1639
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 8: five jump that seemed to be like a kryptonite for

1640
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 8: some reason. You know, we've talked about that before, I think,

1641
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 8: and I haven't seen a lot of guys do that

1642
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 8: and look good. Right, I am gonna take Garbrandt here, though,

1643
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 8: I am gonna take Garbrant here. I feel like he's

1644
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 8: got his hands beat his incredible fastest in the division.

1645
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 8: Probably I'm gonna I'm gonna lean garbrand I don't think

1646
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 8: this fight goes a distance.

1647
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 5: Either, Ken Flow.

1648
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 9: If I was gonna cut from thirty five to twenty five,

1649
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 9: I probably used E p O. I think that would

1650
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 9: probably be the best way to uh to do it?

1651
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 5: Is that? What are you gonna think? I don't think.

1652
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 5: I don't think so.

1653
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 9: Carl Frantz knocked out j Jetio bon Turin at UFC

1654
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 9: at two fifty nine in March. What do you think,

1655
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 9: can flow? You're going with Garbrandt or the hyphen Chai

1656
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 9: car Franz?

1657
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 5: Geez man. You know, James brought up a lot of

1658
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 5: great points here.

1659
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 7: I think going down to one hundred and twenty five

1660
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 7: pounds for the first time and then performing against a

1661
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 7: tough guy in Kay car France is not an easy

1662
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 7: out for Cody garbrand at all. And I feel like

1663
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 7: this is quite possibly the most important fight of his

1664
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 7: life in a lot of ways, because where does he

1665
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 7: go from here? I think what makes Cody special is

1666
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 7: his power, his speed, and his footwork. And we have

1667
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 7: yet to see that combination where he put it all

1668
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 7: together like he did against Domina Cruz, and that's concerning

1669
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 7: for me. I want to see that Cody garbrand again,

1670
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 7: and we haven't quite seen it.

1671
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 5: Against Kay car France.

1672
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,719
Speaker 7: This guy moves a lot, and he's crafty, he's slick,

1673
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 7: he knows how to move about the octagon. This is

1674
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 7: going to be a fascinating fight. I think the difference here,

1675
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 7: of course, is Cody Garbran's power. Cody catches him just right.

1676
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 7: I think he could, you know, put Kay car France

1677
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 7: to sleep. Kai can hit well, but it's gonna take

1678
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 7: more combination work for him to do that.

1679
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 5: This is tough.

1680
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with Cody, but I would like to

1681
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 7: see how the weight cut goes. I'd like to see

1682
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 7: how how the scale situation unfolds, to see how he looks,

1683
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 7: how he feels.

1684
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 8: Uh.

1685
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 5: But I'll stay with Cody here as well, but we

1686
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 5: want to see how he looks all right.

1687
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 9: Next up, guys featured about at welterweight and the third

1688
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 9: pick him of the day Jeff Neil minus won ten

1689
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 9: Santiago Ponzinibio minus one ten as well, James, what do

1690
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 9: you think big fight here?

1691
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 5: At seventy?

1692
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 6: Man?

1693
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 8: I liked Jeff Neil a lot in this fight until

1694
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 8: I've seen the the thing the other day when you

1695
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 8: got like a duy or something.

1696
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 5: I don't write, I mean, what are we doing?

1697
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 8: What are we doing here? We're drunk two weeks before

1698
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 8: if I I just don't, I don't quite understand that

1699
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 8: and that that, you know, what he does on his

1700
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 8: his personal life is his own business. I'm not trying

1701
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 8: to knock him there, but like, what are we doing here?

1702
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 3: Man?

1703
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 8: You know what I mean? Like that's that I don't know.

1704
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 8: I liked him a lot in that fight. I'm gonna

1705
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 8: stay with him, I guess, but man, like you know,

1706
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 8: I'm hoping that it was just a off. It was

1707
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 8: on Thanksgiving, so I'm hoping he just you know, right,

1708
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 8: maybe yeah, And you don't I don't know the whole story.

1709
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 8: I don't know if like if he was actually like

1710
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 8: hammered or you know, just blowing like whatever. The alcohol

1711
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 8: went a little bit over it can be you know

1712
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 8: what I mean, Like he doesn't have to be drunk

1713
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 8: to blow over the legal limit. Or I don't know

1714
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 8: the story, you know what I mean, Like I just

1715
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 8: don't like reading those headlines two weeks before fire.

1716
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 9: Of course, No, I get it, and uh, he is

1717
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 9: going to fight, right. I did talk to his head coach,

1718
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 9: Safe Syoud and it was sort of a one off.

1719
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,719
Speaker 9: And I think they all believe that the blood alcohol

1720
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 9: level is going to come in low enough that will

1721
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 9: make the weapons charge go away, because I think maybe

1722
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 9: there's something that if the weapon is you know, if

1723
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 9: you're drinking, the weapon becomes illegal.

1724
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1725
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 9: I mean, it is what it is, right, but I

1726
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 9: can understand why maybe it would give somebody pause to

1727
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 9: go bet on Jeff Neil. He's the last guy Kenny,

1728
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 9: that I would expect to be uh getting a mug

1729
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 9: shot candidly, you know. But on the other side, you

1730
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 9: have Santiago Ponzinibio, who had so much pressure on him

1731
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 9: going into the Miguel Baieza fight, right, it was an

1732
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 9: absolute war against Caramel Thunder, who is very highly thought of,

1733
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 9: And for Ponzanibio it came off of that vicious knockout

1734
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 9: loss to Lee jing Lyong, so back was up against

1735
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 9: the wall, came up large in a big way, got

1736
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 9: the bonus, and he has a good mentality, I think

1737
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 9: having seen him this weekend going into the Jeff Neil fight,

1738
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 9: flow your thoughts.

1739
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:22,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, I think for Jeff, you know, I think

1740
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 7: he doesn't take as many risks as Pots and Ebio,

1741
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 7: And because of that, I think that's a good thing.

1742
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 5: Pots and Ebio.

1743
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 7: It's hard for him to not fight recklessly sometimes, and

1744
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 7: because of that, I like Jeff Neil's odds here.

1745
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 5: I think he's a guy who hits very hard Pots

1746
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 5: and Ebiel.

1747
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 7: Also, you know, brings so much offensive times where he

1748
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 7: can overwhelm guys. Is Jeff Neil the guy to get overwhelmed, however?

1749
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 7: I don't think so. I think Jeff Neil finds a

1750
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 7: way to answer those flurries and that chaos and and

1751
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 7: finds a way to get the win here. But fascinating fight.

1752
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 7: I'll go with Jeff, and I hope he sorts out

1753
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 7: what's going on outside the octagon, all right.

1754
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 9: Co headliner Amanda Nunez minus nine hundred Juliana Penya plus

1755
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 9: six hundred. I probably should have chased the props for

1756
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 9: you guys. We'll need the round and the method of

1757
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 9: victory and how you're going to attack this on the board.

1758
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 9: So first bantamweight defense for NOONEZ since the Jermaine de

1759
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 9: Randomy win and that was December twenty nineteen. On the

1760
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 9: other side, Penya earned this championship opportunity with a submission

1761
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 9: of Sarah McMahon in January. That was at UFC two

1762
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 9: fifty seven on Fight Island. What kind of chance, Jimmy Krause,

1763
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 9: are we giving Juliana Penna this weekend?

1764
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 5: Level with me?

1765
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 8: Amanda? Is Amanda mean? I mean? Yeah to the goat

1766
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 8: for a reason? Uh, I'm gonna go Amanda third round

1767
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 8: t KO. I think I could see Juliana having some

1768
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 8: moments where maybe she gets like a takedown, you know

1769
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 8: what I mean, or puts on the fans, stalls her

1770
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 8: out for a minute. Amanda's just so powerful, She's so aggressive,

1771
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 8: she doesn't make a lot of mistakes. I think I

1772
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 8: just think she's better everywhere than I think she's a

1773
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 8: better grappler than Pina. I think she's better obviously, better striker,

1774
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 8: better wrestler. I could see Penis stalling her out.

1775
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 10: A little bit.

1776
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 8: I just don't don't. I don't see it, you know

1777
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 8: what I mean. Like, I feel like often we get

1778
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 8: in these times with these with these huge, high profile

1779
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 8: fights where it's like they seem invincible. I don't think

1780
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 8: Amanda's invincible. I just think she's a really, really difficult

1781
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 8: matchup for Pena.

1782
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's interesting because when I talk to coaches Kenny

1783
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 9: about their athletes, when they're like a minus nine hundred

1784
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 9: or minus one thousand favorite, they always just come back

1785
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,959
Speaker 9: and talk about the fight however, humbly right. But with Amanda,

1786
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 9: it's just interesting because I just talked to Pahoma, It's like, oh,

1787
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 9: what do you think about Amanda? And they just almost

1788
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 9: respond the way James did. It's like they're just as

1789
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 9: blown away being in that training room. And I think

1790
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 9: when you're a part of a New Nest training camp,

1791
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 9: it's just it's hard to imagine her ever losing to

1792
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 9: another woman in almost any weight class. What are your

1793
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 9: thoughts on new Nets taking on someone in Penya, who,

1794
01:20:58,240 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 9: if nothing else, is one of the meanest women in that.

1795
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 7: It's kind of like taking on the United States military.

1796
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 7: You're like well, can we get their navy?

1797
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 5: Are we do we have a better navy than them?

1798
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 8: No?

1799
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 5: No, no, we don't know. Well do we have more

1800
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 5: money than the Mili No? No, no, we don't have

1801
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 5: it there?

1802
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:13,760
Speaker 10: All right?

1803
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 5: What about our army? No marines, no air force? Nah?

1804
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 7: Shoot, well what do we do? We just survive for

1805
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 7: as long as possible. It's like, yeah, you know, Amana nouna.

1806
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 7: She's got so many weapons, She's got so many tools,

1807
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 7: and man, when she throws them, people get hurt and

1808
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 7: get hurt badly, you know. And I think the fact

1809
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 7: that this fight, that this is at thirty five, right,

1810
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 7: you know, I think that you gotta imagine she's gonna

1811
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 7: have to be working hard to get down to that

1812
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 7: weight and all that stuff. She's had a nice break

1813
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 7: to kind of work on those skills and get that

1814
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 7: weight down and all that stuff. Amanda is a problem.

1815
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 7: And the only one who beats Amanda is Amanda, you know.

1816
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 7: And it's no disrespect to to Pay or anybody else

1817
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 7: in that division. Is just she's just that damn good. Now,

1818
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 7: Pens got some good grappling skills. She's feisty, she's tough,

1819
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 7: she gets you on the ground, she could beat you

1820
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 7: up with some good ground and pound, but can she?

1821
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 7: Can she weather that storm early? Can't she get those

1822
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 7: takedowns early to try to disrupt the man now, Nez,

1823
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 7: I don't think so. And I think Nons comes out hot, hurts,

1824
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 7: hurts Panya early and gets the win in the first round.

1825
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:28,560
Speaker 7: I'll go with first round TKO here by.

1826
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 9: New Net and wouldn't that be something all right? Main

1827
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 9: event for the undisputed UFC Lightweight Championship. Deep breaths folks.

1828
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 9: Dustin Poorier minus won sixty five, Charles Olivera plus one

1829
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 9: forty five. Don't think you guys need any setup for

1830
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 9: me really on this one. It's the first undisputed title

1831
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 9: defense for Olivera. Poorier trying to complete his mission. On

1832
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 9: the other side, become the undisputed UFC champion and likely

1833
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 9: end twenty twenty one as the fighter of the year.

1834
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 9: Who wins the main event James Krause and ultimately how

1835
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 9: do they get it done?

1836
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 8: Guys, Especially in this sport, there is great value and

1837
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 8: just not going away. And I think Dustin Poitier has

1838
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 8: made a career off of not going away. And I

1839
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 8: think Ali Vera is incredible incredible, extremely dangerous, extremely dangerous,

1840
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 8: and his striking has improved drastically. His grappling is phenomenal,

1841
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 8: maybe the best in the division. If de fight hits

1842
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 8: the ground, Poorio, it's got some big problems. However, if

1843
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 8: you are nineteen and a half minutes into this fight,

1844
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 8: you have a cut over your eye, you're tired, your

1845
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 8: eyes half swollen shut. There's not many people on the

1846
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 8: planet Earth that I would want next to me other

1847
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 8: than Dustin Pourier. This dude is the definition of a winner.

1848
01:23:55,840 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 8: He finds ways to win fights. And that's I don't, guys,

1849
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 8: I don't even know.

1850
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 10: I don't.

1851
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 8: I think the way I look at this is Oliver

1852
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 8: is for sure a better striker, or I'm sorry, for

1853
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 8: sure a better drappler. He's probably just as good as

1854
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 8: a wrestler, if not better. There's strikings technically pretty close.

1855
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 8: Danger factor goes to Olivera. But I'm telling you, man,

1856
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 8: there's value in just not going away, and Pourier is

1857
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 8: a guy that I want on my side if the

1858
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,799
Speaker 8: times are getting tough and there's there's blood everywhere, we're tired.

1859
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 8: I've seen Olivera go away in the past and I've

1860
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 8: seen Pourer be in spots to where it would be

1861
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 8: okay to go away and nobody would say otherwise, and

1862
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 8: he chooses not to every every time, no hesitation, none, zero,

1863
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,680
Speaker 8: no matter of fact. If this is going away, he

1864
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 8: goes here right like I'm going to it. And man,

1865
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 8: I can't bet against the guy like that. That just

1866
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 8: he's a winner. Man, he finds ways to win. I

1867
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 8: think he's gonna find a way to win on Saturday.

1868
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 9: So right now on DraftKings Sportsbook, over one and a

1869
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 9: half rounds minus one seventy five. Under one and a

1870
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 9: half is plus one forty five. How do you see

1871
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,799
Speaker 9: this fight ending, James? If you had to pick.

1872
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 8: T KO over one and a half?

1873
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 9: All right, Ken Flow main event, man, James laid it

1874
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:22,760
Speaker 9: out for you. How do you see it going down?

1875
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:24,560
Speaker 5: He laid it out beautifully.

1876
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 7: I think that olivera has a tremendous amount of skill.

1877
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 7: You look at his improvements over the years and it's

1878
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 7: been amazing to watch and just to see him become

1879
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 7: champion at one hundred and fifty five pounds. But I

1880
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 7: think James nailed it. I think that you know, Dustin

1881
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 7: Pourier is a guy that has kind of proven over

1882
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 7: the last few fights to be somewhat unkillable. You know,

1883
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 7: can he get submitted? Do I see that going down

1884
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 7: that way? Yeah, that could definitely happen, But at this

1885
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 7: stage of the game, I don't think that's going to happen.

1886
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 7: And I think Dustin Pourier is too tough. And if

1887
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 7: we've seen Olivera with a weakness, now we haven't seen

1888
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,160
Speaker 7: that in a little while. But uh, it's the fact

1889
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 7: that he tends to fade if the fight gets crazy,

1890
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 7: if it gets chaotic, if it becomes down to whose heart.

1891
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 5: Is bigger, you can get Olivera out of there.

1892
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 7: And if Dustin Pourier does that like he's done with Connor,

1893
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 7: like he's done in previous fights, even against guys who

1894
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 7: have shown that like Justin Gaegee and Alberson Hooker, you

1895
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 7: know Hooker. I mean it's like, you know, if you

1896
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 7: have durability, if you prove yourself to be unkillable, well

1897
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 7: that's a superpower. And Dustin Poorie has shown that as

1898
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 7: a late It eventually goes away over time. But I

1899
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 7: don't think that's wearing on Dustin Pourrier just yet. I

1900
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 7: still think he's hungry. This is one of the biggest

1901
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,240
Speaker 7: opportunities again in his life. It's a tremendous matchup for him.

1902
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 7: I think he I think he knows that this is

1903
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:58,480
Speaker 7: very achievable.

1904
01:26:59,000 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 8: Uh.

1905
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 7: And I think he's trade his ass off despite you know,

1906
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 7: a busier schedule, having those five round fights as we

1907
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 7: mentioned last week, I still think he has enough to

1908
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 7: go out there and get it done against OLIVERA. I

1909
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 7: think I think he gets it done in round three TKO.

1910
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 9: Round three TKO for Dustin Poorier is Kenflow's main Events selection.

1911
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 9: If you want more from James Krause and why would

1912
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 9: you fucking not, it's at the James Krause on social media.

1913
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 9: I'll look forward to shaking your hand brother at the

1914
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 9: way and on Friday as you'll be there with Derek

1915
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 9: Minner and I wish you all the best in that fight.

1916
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 9: Appreciate your contributions as always.

1917
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Speaker 5: My man, Thank you guys.

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Speaker 8: Appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 10: There.

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Speaker 9: He is James Krause with us for the main event

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Speaker 9: challenge every week here on the Anak and Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 9: Our final order of business is the Pick to Click.

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Speaker 9: It's presented by oddshark dot Com. The most reliable source

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Speaker 9: a nice logical way. Odds Shark also giving you a

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Speaker 9: mixed martial arts. They have been capping MMA for a

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Speaker 9: UFC two sixty nine. Every Click supports the Anak and

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Speaker 9: second est, all right, let us get to the pick

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Speaker 9: to click.

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Speaker 4: Time now for the pick to click, the pic to click.

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Speaker 6: All I have to do is bet on the winner

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Speaker 6: and I'll never members.

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Speaker 7: Hi.

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Speaker 4: John annag and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 9: Podcast heycial media at jtfoz and on Instagram.

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Speaker 5: I guess I should say the Twitter's jtfo z. The

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Speaker 5: Instagram is pay per Chaser Joe, and.

1949
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Speaker 9: I've been known to click on his videos more than

1950
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Speaker 9: once for their their comedic value.

1951
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Speaker 5: Good to see him, Man, what's going on, guys.

1952
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Speaker 3: I'm so basking in the glow of correctly picking Jose.

1953
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Speaker 11: Aldo as an underdog there over the weekend, and a

1954
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 11: lot of people were against me on that one. But

1955
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Speaker 11: I see Aldo as a guy who's just chronically undervalue,

1956
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Speaker 11: and I think it has to do it when although loses,

1957
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Speaker 11: he tends to lose pretty bad, Like he tends to

1958
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Speaker 11: get beat up, and people judge him to hurshing on that.

1959
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Speaker 3: But I was just looking at his odds last week

1960
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Speaker 3: against some of these guys. You know, he closed as

1961
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Speaker 3: an underdog versus Jeremy Stevens, Like just chronically undervalued this.

1962
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I was very very happy with that result

1963
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Speaker 6: on Saturday.

1964
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Speaker 9: That's interesting that he closes a dog against Jeremy Stevens.

1965
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 9: I'm trying to think about what Stevens did leading up

1966
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Speaker 9: to that fight, and we all remember the body shot

1967
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 9: that crippled Stevens but yeah, man, like when people were

1968
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 9: reaching out to me, you know, I know the New

1969
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 9: England cartel pretty intimately, and I'm just looking at Jose

1970
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Speaker 9: outa plus one thirty. Obviously Ken Flow was on that side.

1971
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Speaker 5: Good on you.

1972
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Speaker 9: So all right, as I understand that you have three

1973
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Speaker 9: different ways you're going for the fight guard this weekend,

1974
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Speaker 9: let's begin where we just sort of came off of

1975
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Speaker 9: the Poorier Charles OLIVERA main event. So Dustin in most

1976
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Speaker 9: spots right now is in the minus one sixty five

1977
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 9: minus one seventy range. I probably talked to a dozen

1978
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Speaker 9: fighter slash coaches and all twelve of them are picking

1979
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Speaker 9: Dustin Poorier. I think this fight is a little closer

1980
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Speaker 9: than minus one sixty five, but obviously my brethren do

1981
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Speaker 9: not agree. So how do you handicap the main event?

1982
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 9: And will you have a play?

1983
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

1984
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 3: So this thing has the potential to be an absolute

1985
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 3: fire fight, right like a real fast paced fight with

1986
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 3: a lot of action.

1987
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Speaker 6: And when you have a fight like this, I'm going to.

1988
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Speaker 3: Take the guy who's clearly more durable and the guy

1989
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Speaker 3: who clearly deals better with adversity. So you know where

1990
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Speaker 3: I'm going with this. I'm taking Dustin Poorier and siding

1991
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 3: with the twelve people you spoke to this one, right, So,

1992
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 3: we've seen it so many times in Pooria's career where

1993
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 3: he's lost exchanges, these lost rounds, he's got to beat

1994
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Speaker 3: it up in fights by just come back to win

1995
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Speaker 3: those fights. I don't think we have too many examples

1996
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Speaker 3: of that. For Charles Olavera, who got bailed out in

1997
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Speaker 3: his most recent fight versus Michael Chandler. We discussed this

1998
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:03,120
Speaker 3: last time I was on here, right, So, and we've

1999
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 3: also looked at the body of work for each of

2000
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 3: these guys. Portier has faced a much, much, much higher

2001
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 3: level competition. It is not even close. Like you can't

2002
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 3: really knock Charles's win streak. If you put a win

2003
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 3: streak together at this level of a sport, that's very impressive.

2004
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 3: But those names do not come close to the list

2005
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Speaker 3: that Poorier has fought over his last eight fights, where

2006
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 3: he is seven to one with six finishes.

2007
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Speaker 6: In those fights, you know.

2008
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Speaker 3: Finished McGregor twice, Doctor Stoffin Sure, Dan Hooker, Max Hollaway,

2009
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Speaker 3: Eddie Alvarez, Justin Gatchee, Anthony Pettis finish finishes in six

2010
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Speaker 3: of those seven fights. So I like them to win.

2011
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 3: I have no problem just betting them straight up at

2012
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Speaker 3: the number. I think it's around minus one sixty five.

2013
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 3: But take them to win inside the distance plus one

2014
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Speaker 3: hundred even money, pretty good.

2015
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Speaker 6: Value on that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

2017
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Speaker 9: I don't think it's going five rounds for sure. I

2018
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 9: do maybe lean towards over a round and a half

2019
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 9: or so. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see

2020
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 9: us get a fight inside the distance. All right, and

2021
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 9: you have a couple other plays. Are you going to

2022
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 9: attack this Amanda Nunez comain or not?

2023
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 10: Yeah?

2024
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Speaker 5: What is she?

2025
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 6: Minus seven hundred minus?

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01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 5: Better stop that price there, Joel.

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01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2028
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 3: So, as I often say, I don't come on the

2029
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 3: podcast and give out picks for massive favorites like this,

2030
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 3: there's no value and that there's not a lot of

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01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,759
Speaker 3: people interested in making those type of bets.

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Speaker 6: Right minus nine hundred on climbing, I'm seeing Cody just

2033
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 6: put in the chat there.

2034
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 5: Wow.

2035
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 3: So Yeah, when Amanda nen Is eventually does lose, I

2036
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 3: think it's either going to be as a result of

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01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 3: father time or perhaps any elite wrestler who's able to

2038
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,200
Speaker 3: hold her down for twenty five minutes. I don't think

2039
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 3: that person's on the UFC roster right now, so I'm

2040
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 3: going to take her to win. But we got to

2041
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 3: go into the prop markets here, and you take a

2042
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:52,240
Speaker 3: look at Amanda's fight log here, and she's a bit all.

2043
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 6: Or nothing in terms of the length of her fights.

2044
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is she's either going

2045
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 3: to finish you early in the first round or the

2046
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 3: fight's gonna go to a decision going to the fifth round.

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01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 3: You take a look at her seven fights since twenty seventeen,

2048
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 3: she finished three of them in the first round and

2049
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 3: the other four either went to decision or we're finished

2050
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Speaker 3: in the fifth round. So where I'm going with this

2051
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 3: is the over under one and a half rounds. I

2052
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 3: like the over at minus one twenty five. I do

2053
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 3: think Julian Opena has the ability to stretch us out

2054
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 3: at least until the round and a half mark here,

2055
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 3: So you know what's her strategy coming into this fight.

2056
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 3: I think she would be very, very silly to stand

2057
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 3: there and try to strike with Amanda at least early

2058
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:35,720
Speaker 3: on in the fight when she's at her most freshness.

2059
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 3: So I think she's going to be aggressive with her takedowns.

2060
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:40,759
Speaker 3: I think she's going to try to make a dirty

2061
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,719
Speaker 3: go for some tie ups, push up against a cage,

2062
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 3: and I think that's going to be able to chew

2063
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 3: the clock. Now, Juliana has been finished before, never early

2064
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 3: before the round and a half mark though, so I

2065
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 3: think it's a pretty good number too, minus one twenty five.

2066
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 6: To go over a round and a half.

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Speaker 9: All right, very interesting handicap on that. And I have

2068
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 9: one NFL thing for you, but before I get it,

2069
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 9: any other bet of NOE for you at UFC two

2070
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 9: sixty nine.

2071
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a Gusto Sakai here guys at minus one ten.

2072
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 3: I think it's a pretty fair number on him. I

2073
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 3: think he's being judged too harshly. You know, he's coming

2074
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 3: off of he got finished in his last two fights

2075
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 3: against guys who are near the top of a food

2076
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 3: cheat and Alisair Overine and Jersey no Rosen Strike.

2077
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 6: Now, we hung around in that Overream fight.

2078
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:24,720
Speaker 3: You know, he had some decent moments and that one

2079
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 3: actually out landed him in the fight, but he did

2080
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 3: get finished later on in the fight.

2081
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 6: Then against the rose Strike, he didn't look good at all.

2082
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:31,799
Speaker 6: He got his ass kick, he got.

2083
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 3: Finished right, but the UFC obviously saw enough in this guy,

2084
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 3: to put him in those spots, to pit him in

2085
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,960
Speaker 3: those two main events spots, trying to give him a

2086
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 3: little bit of a push. It didn't work it, But

2087
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 3: now as a result of that, he's dropping down maybe

2088
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 3: a level or two to take on a guy who

2089
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:49,599
Speaker 3: came very very close to losing to Greg Hardy here, guys,

2090
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,719
Speaker 3: So just overall, I think Tui Vasa is the better

2091
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 3: mixed martial artist. I do think he has more pass

2092
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 3: to victory. So I will take Sekai here to.

2093
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 5: Take this one, all right.

2094
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 9: And last thing, in terms of the NFL, I know

2095
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 9: you'd like the Cleveland Browns at the beginning of the year.

2096
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 9: There's been a lot of circumstances that have resulted in

2097
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,680
Speaker 9: them not having the year that maybe you forecasted. But

2098
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 9: right now, as we start December, so to speak, if

2099
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 9: you had to pick one NFL team to win the

2100
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 9: Super Bowl independent of price, I'm not looking for value

2101
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 9: on the board, like I see the NFC as maybe

2102
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 9: having more possible entries who could win at all. But

2103
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 9: who do you think is the best team in the

2104
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:26,960
Speaker 9: NFL right now? And if I gave you a thousand

2105
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 9: American dollars or Canadian dollars or whatever dollars to bet?

2106
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 5: Who do you think is the best team of the NFL?

2107
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 5: Who do you think? Coys Lombardi?

2108
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 6: What's a bitcoin? Right, Kenny?

2109
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 3: Absolutely, so absolutely, I would probably have to say the

2110
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 3: green Bay Packtors, you know, if you're just putting me

2111
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 3: on the spot like this, And the reason is they're

2112
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 3: different this season because their defense is really good and

2113
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:52,799
Speaker 3: that kind of came out to nowhere. No one expected

2114
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 3: them to be this good defensively. If they are able

2115
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 3: to lock up that number one seed, it would be

2116
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 3: hard to envision seeing them loose to NFC championship games

2117
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 3: and back seasons at home, right, is a hard place

2118
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 3: to go in and win. It is a true home

2119
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 3: field advantage where rather often comes into play playing there

2120
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:13,520
Speaker 3: in January.

2121
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 6: So I would go with Green Bay.

2122
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 3: You know, Aaron Rodgers his last dance in Green Bay

2123
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 3: before he goes on to another team. So yeah, I

2124
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 3: would go with green Bay just because if we know

2125
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 3: what they can do offensively and the defense is pretty

2126
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 3: damn good this season.

2127
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 5: I like that.

2128
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 9: How about the Boston College Eagle AJ Dillon true and

2129
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 9: things up on the ground. Yeah, good team all right?

2130
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 9: At Jtfoz on Twitter, on Instagram, he is at Paper

2131
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 9: Chaser Joe. It's good to see you, my friend. Happy

2132
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 9: New Year. I guess this is the final pay per

2133
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Speaker 9: view of the year.

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Speaker 5: We'll get you on though later in the month, depending

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Speaker 5: Hope you keep pitting them straight and we will talk

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Speaker 5: to you soon.

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Speaker 6: Awesome guys, good luck to you, Good luck to all

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Speaker 9: All right, before we get on out of here, I

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Speaker 9: just want to share some quotes on Kamza Chimaya from

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Speaker 9: Dana White. So he was on the Jim Rome Show.

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Speaker 9: And we do wish the UFC president a return to

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Speaker 9: health here soon. But here is the quote that I

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Speaker 9: just wanted to read to you on Hamzad and then

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Speaker 9: we'll get you out of here. So hopefully this week

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Speaker 9: we will have an opponent for him. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 9: fight this guy. Everybody wants to get out on social

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Speaker 9: media and say this and say that, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 9: But when it really comes down to it, nobody's trying

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Speaker 9: to fight Kamza Chimaya. Okay, that line, nobody's trying to

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Speaker 9: fight Kamza Chimia. So Neil Magni is trying to fight

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Speaker 9: Kamza Chimiv and Gunner Nelson is trying to fight Kamza. Now,

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Speaker 9: I don't know if either one of those guys is

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Speaker 9: of the yolk that would get them that fight. Maybe

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Speaker 9: Magni in the top fifteen right now would get that fight.

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Speaker 9: I really don't know, but certainly those guys seemingly have

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Speaker 9: put themselves out there and want the fight at under

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Speaker 9: the terms of their current contract. It's one thing to

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Speaker 9: want the fight like that. It's another thing to say, yeah,

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Speaker 9: I'll fight him for a rays of three hundred and

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Speaker 9: fifty thousand dollars, right, So I think independent of price,

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Speaker 9: those guys would take the fight. Nate has said that

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Speaker 9: Kamzad is a rookie, right, and so he wouldn't want

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Speaker 9: to fight him now. Dana White's response to that was

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Speaker 9: there are guys with more experience, he told TMZ, and

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Speaker 9: some guys with some less experience. Kamsacchi might is one

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Speaker 9: of those guys that's willing to fight anybody in multiple

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Speaker 9: weight classes on short notice. He's doing wrestling matchups. If

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Speaker 9: it's a fight, he's in and he wants to fight you.

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Speaker 9: And that's the reality. People can spin coms oud however

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Speaker 9: they want to, and I don't blame them. And you know,

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Speaker 9: he went on to say, comas out to one of

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Speaker 9: the badst dudes I've ever come across. He's literally willing

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Speaker 9: to fight anyone, doesn't care the timeframe or the weight

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Speaker 9: class or any of that stuff. One of the baddest

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Speaker 9: dudes I've ever come across, right, And so I just

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Speaker 9: agree with a lot of data sentiments. It has nothing

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Speaker 9: to do with promotional hyperbole or the UFC cutting my

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Speaker 9: paycheck or me trying to align with Dana or getting

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Speaker 9: a direct order from them. He's one of the baddest

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Speaker 9: dudes that we have ever seen. And it seems to me,

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Speaker 9: at least right now, that the fights that make the

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Speaker 9: aren't materializing. So seems like in a few days we're

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Speaker 9: going to have some answers. But I just want to

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Speaker 9: get those quotes from Dana out there because I think

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Speaker 9: at the end of the day, at the end of

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Speaker 9: the day, there aren't a lot of guys who really

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Speaker 9: are trying right now to fight Hamzaut at one hundred

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Speaker 9: and seventy pounds.

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Speaker 7: No, no, they're not. I mean, listen, you look at

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Speaker 7: hamzat skills in what he's done so far. You know,

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Speaker 7: I think a lot of people are very fearful of

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Speaker 7: that fight and that matchup, and I think it becomes

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Speaker 7: even more difficult because he only has had a few

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Speaker 7: fights in the UFC, and you know, guys are seeing

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Speaker 7: way too much risk. I mean, they go out there

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Speaker 7: and they find a guy who's only fought a few

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Speaker 7: look bad, and I think they're fearful of that outcome.

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Speaker 5: Right right, right right, yeah.

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Speaker 9: And again it's like these guys are not like afraid

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Speaker 5: You know. And I wouldn't blame them.

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Speaker 9: And again, you know, maybe maybe it will be that

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