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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Bryan Brats, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones, and it is a Tuesday edition of
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. As we move past the Packers and move
Speaker 1: on to the New York Jets. Do we call him
Speaker 1: the New York Football Jets? No, I don't think so. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna call it the New York Jets and the Jets.
Speaker 1: People get upset when I call him the New York
Speaker 1: Football Giants too. So it's the New York Jets this week.
Speaker 1: And how to we get past Green Bay? We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about it here on this Tuesday edition. Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, Rob Phillips, Brian brought us. I listened to
Speaker 1: yesterday's show this morning, so I know what you've covered.
Speaker 1: Did we passed you? Did you passed? With flying colors?
Speaker 1: You didn't need me at all. It's a lot to
Speaker 1: cover in forty five minutes, right, So we got wild ones,
Speaker 1: so we got more to cover today. Um, you noticed
Speaker 1: my voices got the big time radio voice. I listened
Speaker 1: to Barry White on the way in smoke A couple
Speaker 1: drinking whiskey, what time? Both really good ideas? Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: after the whiskey game on Sunday. No, I actually hit
Speaker 1: me on Saturday afternoon watching college football at our chairing
Speaker 1: with No. It had nothing to do with opening my mouth.
Speaker 1: That was I was sentenced to the patio. My wife's
Speaker 1: attach Texas tech alum. I'm an oud and so she
Speaker 1: got the TV in the living room and I was
Speaker 1: sentenced to the TV on the patio. And by the
Speaker 1: end of the game I had a sore throat. So
Speaker 1: here I am all right. I could could do it.
Speaker 1: I could sing a Barry White song for you if
Speaker 1: you could maybe third break three segments. Maybe we'll do
Speaker 1: that after Mickey's read. It's been it's been a while
Speaker 1: since I've listened to Barry White. He was really good
Speaker 1: this morning on the Drive Inch. Some of us wish
Speaker 1: we could be sentenced to the patio. Okay, that sounds
Speaker 1: like a personal problem. All right, ro did you draw
Speaker 1: the Jerry Jones radio assignment this morning? A little bit,
Speaker 1: A little bit, I didn't catch all of it. I
Speaker 1: caught the highlights of what twenty minutes on the fan
Speaker 1: today come with a lot of ground. Did he save
Speaker 1: you some money? Not going to Vegas and betting on
Speaker 1: I don't gamble Mickey betting on and I don't gamble
Speaker 1: on the Cowboys Jason being the next coach to be fired.
Speaker 1: He's not going to get fired in the regular season, right.
Speaker 1: I think Jerry's quote was something along lines of if
Speaker 1: you bet money, you'll lose on that front, because what
Speaker 1: is he is he second on the list right now
Speaker 1: or the next in line? He was according to the
Speaker 1: line according to Vegas, he was after after Gruden. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after Gruden got fired, he was next. Yeah, okay, I've
Speaker 1: got the start of the season now. Now now because
Speaker 1: of what happened on Sunday side, God, hey man, there's
Speaker 1: people that love that stuff, that live for it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: live for coaches getting fired, live for making prop bets bets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but otherwise there's no news coming out of Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: It sounds like injury front Tyrann Smith. Uh he said,
Speaker 1: what was its term? He said, they're optimistic. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: looking pretty good in his mind. But we'll see how
Speaker 1: the week of practice goes. Lole Collins, he was a
Speaker 1: little more if he about um because it is an
Speaker 1: MCL and it could be a couple of weeks. Jerry said,
Speaker 1: both guys basically week to week, but he wouldn't count
Speaker 1: him out either one of them for this game. Yes,
Speaker 1: if last night they really hadn't talked about what they
Speaker 1: were going to do at right tackle, this morning they
Speaker 1: were going to kind of get in a little bit
Speaker 1: more that maybe it was gonna be Brandon Knight or
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. I think they're leaning towards playing Brandon Knight
Speaker 1: out there at right tackle. I think they like him
Speaker 1: better at right tackle than they do at left tackle,
Speaker 1: So you know, that's makes it maybe a little bit easier.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of the things that they were able to see,
Speaker 1: you know, in the game that he was able to
Speaker 1: maybe with a full week, you know, maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit more improvement, but he wasn't he wasn't bad and
Speaker 1: where he was at last week in the game. So
Speaker 1: still a decision on what they need to do over
Speaker 1: there at that right side. But I think if it's
Speaker 1: no Collins, I think they're leaning towards I think I'm
Speaker 1: making a prediction that they would go with Brandon Knight
Speaker 1: over there. So it sounds like Tyrant has a better
Speaker 1: chance of playing than Lele Collins, right, and he may
Speaker 1: not practice tomorrow, but as the week goes on, I
Speaker 1: think they're feeling better that he could play on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I think Lele Collins misses this game. Yeah. See now
Speaker 1: in the way Mickey said, it's perfect because then then
Speaker 1: we then it becomes a combination of Okay, who do
Speaker 1: you feel better about Fleming? Because I was making the
Speaker 1: thought that maybe you don't have Smith this week, but
Speaker 1: if you do have Smith, then that puts Cam Fleming
Speaker 1: in play at the right tackle spot. So if if
Speaker 1: if Smith does play, do you what do you think
Speaker 1: it would be with Fleming in I bet they then
Speaker 1: would go with Fleming. That's what they would do. They
Speaker 1: go with the experience there. Yeah, although although we talked
Speaker 1: about this yesterday, I think it was twenty eight snaps
Speaker 1: for Brandon Knight, and you think about how many times
Speaker 1: he was in pass pro too, because the whole time basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean did they did? They have many carries that
Speaker 1: they have in that situation, So that's tough for a rookie,
Speaker 1: but play, especially playing your first NFL game. But he
Speaker 1: did have his moments. He did by the way he did.
Speaker 1: But you're which class moments than yeah, less moments than yeah,
Speaker 1: less moments than the other. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: if if they had a plus minus in the NFL,
Speaker 1: he was probably twenty four to three. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: you know, to me, I was, you know, maybe it's
Speaker 1: a little bit about what they thought about how Connor
Speaker 1: Williams looked at right tackle at practice. That they went
Speaker 1: with the the you know, with the putting night out there.
Speaker 1: You know, they maybe said, hey, you know, we maybe
Speaker 1: we need to just keep everything. You know, I know
Speaker 1: that they were worried about Mickey crect me if wrong.
Speaker 1: If I was in the walk off, I think I
Speaker 1: was in that that part where he said he just
Speaker 1: didn't want to move Williams from left guard to the
Speaker 1: right side. Am I right about that? Yeah? He said
Speaker 1: it sounded that way. It was more about it was
Speaker 1: more about letting within the game, within the game than
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah. But we always talk about best five,
Speaker 1: you know, and if you put him at the right tackles,
Speaker 1: maybe I need to shut up about best five. Maybe
Speaker 1: I need to. I always feel like you need to
Speaker 1: play your best five, but maybe they don't feel that. Well.
Speaker 1: It's my point though, is that you know, Sue Philo
Speaker 1: putting him in there, is that better than a rookie,
Speaker 1: you know, who's never played a game in the NFL before.
Speaker 1: But again, I would have thought they would have moved
Speaker 1: Connor Williams, but that I was completely wrong about that.
Speaker 1: What you're getting at is moving him. It was more
Speaker 1: a matter of Connor Williams moving from the left side
Speaker 1: to the right side itself, rather than potentially weaken having
Speaker 1: weakening two positions. Probably didn't want him to do, you know.
Speaker 1: They you know, have to think about okay, I've been
Speaker 1: running left side plays or on my mind, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: left guard. I have to think about right tackle here
Speaker 1: and you know and all that. And especially as much
Speaker 1: as they were throwing the ball. Oh, maybe not bring
Speaker 1: Suepilo in so he could fall start on the field goal.
Speaker 1: That was good. Yeah, Well, if they brought him in earlier,
Speaker 1: maybe he would have been ready to go. It's right,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's again, nobody feels sorry for you.
Speaker 1: You got to figure this thing out, you know, you
Speaker 1: got to go to New York and you know some
Speaker 1: of the assets that they have. I mean, we'll get
Speaker 1: into what they have, but you know, some of their
Speaker 1: better players, I mean, I know it hasn't been that
Speaker 1: way for the record stuff, but if you do watch,
Speaker 1: some of their better players are along the defensive line.
Speaker 1: They just haven't played well enough offensively to give their
Speaker 1: defense any kind of a chance. Yeah, the Jets are
Speaker 1: not feeling sorry for you when your number back goes
Speaker 1: down with motto yeah after one game and your backup
Speaker 1: breaks his ankle, Yeah, Cleveland, And that's yeah exactly. So
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's just a tough league, and it's tough.
Speaker 1: Now they've got to find a way. And nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: give them credit for going here and beating the Jets.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a that's you know, get ready for
Speaker 1: that too. Now you should beat the Jets. You should
Speaker 1: be four and too. Oh, it's already in the headlines.
Speaker 1: The test is going to be the Eagles in two weeks.
Speaker 1: That's what the everybody's talking you know, everybody's talking about. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, get these guys healthy for the Philadelphia game.
Speaker 1: That matters, you know, I mean, I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: the Jets are gonna win this game. But if you
Speaker 1: don't stop the run. They got Leveon Bell and they
Speaker 1: haven't blocked, and Micky's going to tell me he hadn't
Speaker 1: got over two hundred yards. And Mickey's not wrong about that.
Speaker 1: T Yeah, yeah, two or six, but you's just total. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what you're looking at a situation though, where you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of felt like Green Bay doesn't run the
Speaker 1: football either eighty and six yards a game before this
Speaker 1: last one. Yeah, yeah, you know, you can't sit there
Speaker 1: and think you're gonna roll out your hat and everything
Speaker 1: is going to just be fine. You know, They've got
Speaker 1: to figure some things out here, because they go out
Speaker 1: there and they let Leveon Bell. You know, he caught
Speaker 1: ten balls against the Browns, you know, ten targets, ten
Speaker 1: catches the other day. You know. Yeah, those are the
Speaker 1: kinds of things. Those are things that scare me going
Speaker 1: into a game that all of a sudden, Oh, they
Speaker 1: figure out how to run the football and oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, they're throwing the ball to Leveon Bell. Trust me,
Speaker 1: Leveon Bell is a better player than Aaron Jones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you get him out in space that he can't
Speaker 1: tackle problem because that they had a problem tack in
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones in space. He caught seven passes for seventy
Speaker 1: five yards. Yeah, that was the leading receiver in the game.
Speaker 1: I mean, some of it is just getting rid of
Speaker 1: the ball because they can't pass protect or they sure
Speaker 1: didn't last week. But he is their leading receiver. He's
Speaker 1: the only guy in their team with a receiving touchdown
Speaker 1: through five games. One see, and I'm not trying blowing
Speaker 1: smoke with you. I've been in their offense. I just
Speaker 1: you've got some things you need to figure out. Defensively,
Speaker 1: you played well against the Saints, and then you turn
Speaker 1: around and let the Packers just out physical you at
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and they're running the ball and
Speaker 1: they're kicking it. They're getting it for about almost six
Speaker 1: yards a shot. You know all. I'm just telling you, though,
Speaker 1: you better not feel like, oh, let's just get ready
Speaker 1: for Philadelphia. I hear what you're saying. He's one of
Speaker 1: the top backs in the league. Now, he played on
Speaker 1: a better teams of his team. His team does no
Speaker 1: favors for him, His offensive line does no favors for him.
Speaker 1: You know, the fact that they didn't have a quarterback
Speaker 1: worth of damn and no favors. Turn on our mom,
Speaker 1: but on our mom, We've got breaking news out of
Speaker 1: New York. Sam Darnold starting at quarterback well the New
Speaker 1: York Jets this week. Yeah, glad to know they splains
Speaker 1: the right size. Yeah, yep, Sam Darnold who went out
Speaker 1: after he started the first game against Buffalo and then
Speaker 1: he was diagnosed with mono nucleosis and has missed the
Speaker 1: last three games. They had a bye week mixed in
Speaker 1: there too, so he's been out a month. And but
Speaker 1: he practiced all the last week. Yeah. That's a brilliant
Speaker 1: decision too. By the way, Well they didn't have anybody
Speaker 1: fall into him hopefully no, But I mean, and he
Speaker 1: practiced all week and he should have played against the
Speaker 1: Eagles against time he passed the test. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: didn't give the backup falk and then he had to start.
Speaker 1: You and Orlando scandrip. So he took the first team
Speaker 1: reps last week. Yeah. Wow? And uh and again, boy
Speaker 1: is he getting roasted because they don't like roasting people
Speaker 1: up in New York. Yeah, Adam Gays is oh, and
Speaker 1: that they're ready to fire them four games in so
Speaker 1: he's yeah, so he but but Garrett's ahead of him
Speaker 1: on the list. Yes, probably it was the first year
Speaker 1: head coach there. Garrett's out of a contract though, and
Speaker 1: unless they extended him, so it might not be a firing.
Speaker 1: It might be just parting of the ways. Yep. No,
Speaker 1: that was for mid season, by the way. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: and uh, well since we brought up the Jay Gruden
Speaker 1: what what would yea? What y'all? What's your take on
Speaker 1: what's happened in Washington with the Redskins? How many coaches
Speaker 1: have they since nineteen ninety nine? I mean, and Gruden
Speaker 1: was there the longest. Yeah, this was his fifth year,
Speaker 1: fifth season. I think at some point you got to
Speaker 1: look at what type of talent do you have on
Speaker 1: the field? Now? I really, they haven't been Have they
Speaker 1: been in the playoffs under Gruden? Did they do that once? Twice? Twice? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It felt like it's time to make a change. But
Speaker 1: you know they had they've had quarterback issues. They didn't
Speaker 1: have their quarterback this year. Yeah, running game Moses will
Speaker 1: do whatever, didn't have sent this year and didn't have
Speaker 1: their tight end this year. Oh yeah, running game Moses
Speaker 1: is the callahan, yes, the interim coach. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: To me, you know Washington is uh, that's that's amazing
Speaker 1: or once proud franchise. You know when you go back
Speaker 1: through the years and look at that with the with
Speaker 1: how they've operated and then that owner takes over the
Speaker 1: team and it's been nothing but go into the ground
Speaker 1: since you know, I mean, they change coaches, they change
Speaker 1: general managers, they've got a they've got a president of
Speaker 1: their team. It's a politician, you know, he's always going
Speaker 1: to do things to survive. You know, Bruce Allen is
Speaker 1: not a football man. He doesn't know if it's pumped
Speaker 1: up or stuffed. You know, his dad might have been
Speaker 1: George Allen, but he might as well have been adopted,
Speaker 1: you know, the way he the way he knows nothing
Speaker 1: about football. So to me, they got what they deserved.
Speaker 1: If that's what you're going to hit your wagon too,
Speaker 1: then you get what you deserve. You know, you go out,
Speaker 1: you get people that know what they're doing. Again, they
Speaker 1: had a guy, there's Scott McCluin. Scott has a drinking problem,
Speaker 1: no question, well document you know, but you know what
Speaker 1: Scott's a guy could give him a case of beer
Speaker 1: and he can tell me what ten players could play.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I mean, I mean, I know
Speaker 1: that sounds terrible with a guy that has a drinking problem,
Speaker 1: but that was not a problem with Scott mcluin. Was
Speaker 1: not the problem with the Washington Redskins. Jake Gruden needed
Speaker 1: a guy like Scott mcluin there, so they get what
Speaker 1: they deserve by having Bruce Allen running that football team.
Speaker 1: And you look at them, they were what they were
Speaker 1: around five of it. They were the playoff team in
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, the loss of the wild card round well
Speaker 1: nine and seven that year, eight seventy one the year after,
Speaker 1: then seventy nine, seventy nine and five. Well, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what happened when Smith went down with injury. They
Speaker 1: were what six and three or five and three or
Speaker 1: something like that. You know, part of the deal. Part
Speaker 1: of the deal. Again, nobody feels sorry for you in
Speaker 1: this league. How do I have a quarterback? You sure do?
Speaker 1: You sure do? Yes? They drafted one in the first round.
Speaker 1: Was not ready to play, and I don't think the
Speaker 1: owner agrees with that. Bill Callahan said, he's not starting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well we might see him by the time Cowboys roll
Speaker 1: around face him again, you know, which is like the
Speaker 1: last name of the year of the year. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you have to play these young quarterbacks nowadays.
Speaker 1: I really do. And you know, I mean, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: you don't have enough help on the offensive line, that
Speaker 1: maybe the Trent Williams holdout has hurt them, maybe they're
Speaker 1: not good enough defensively, but I think you have to
Speaker 1: figure out how to play. I applaud the New York Jets,
Speaker 1: makes me the New York Giants for what they did.
Speaker 1: I know we're kind of talking about the Redskins a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I applaud what they did. Go ahead
Speaker 1: and start the journey. Now, go ahead, learn about this guy,
Speaker 1: learn how he build around him. You know, anytime he's
Speaker 1: already shown stuff. Yeah, absolutely, go for it. What if
Speaker 1: what if the head coach doesn't think the guy's ready
Speaker 1: and if you put him in there, you're gonna ruin him. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: that's that's why he's got the interim tag. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go find a guy that can help my quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't think the head coach wanted the guy to begin with, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So if he didn't want him, then probably running game.
Speaker 1: Moses didn't want him either. Sounds like it. Yeah like that.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. That was there before I came back.
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Speaker 1: That will be here before you know it, and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys will be four and two going into that matchup
Speaker 1: against the Eagles. I'm already making my prediction this week.
Speaker 1: What if they're three and three? Man, he's gonna jump
Speaker 1: off and imagine everybody else and those odds are gonna improve. Why, yeah,
Speaker 1: he can't go higher on the list. I guess, I
Speaker 1: guess not Wow, that would be something. But again, Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold is starting at quarterback from the Jets, so they
Speaker 1: got a shot this week against the Cowboys. Mickey, what
Speaker 1: you you know? What's been real? Nice dude with Look
Speaker 1: at look around the room here. Yeah, you've got your
Speaker 1: lsu vest on, I've got a pull over on, you
Speaker 1: got long sleeves on. It's football weather finally here in
Speaker 1: North Texas, and Mickey, you gotta pull over on the
Speaker 1: shield the shield on it. Is there any particular reason
Speaker 1: that you wore the shield officiating shirts that they sold up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I saw some more mistakes they made. How do
Speaker 1: they make stuff up? That's all I want to know.
Speaker 1: You can see if the tight end has his hand
Speaker 1: on the ground before the guy goes in motion, and
Speaker 1: his hands on the ground before the guy goes in motion,
Speaker 1: and you throw a flag and I think it took
Speaker 1: out a zeke like twenty yard runners. It was a
Speaker 1: big ring. So what you are what you're getting at
Speaker 1: is on the believe. It was the first series of
Speaker 1: the game. Dalton Schultz was called for not getting in
Speaker 1: his three point stance early enough because it was Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin went in motion. It was an illegal shift call
Speaker 1: against the Calgary second series of the game. At the time,
Speaker 1: I was watching from home, so I had the ability
Speaker 1: to go back and review it as it as the
Speaker 1: call was made, and I tweeted, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the official was looking at there because Dalton Schultz was
Speaker 1: down in his three point stance when Jarwin went in motion.
Speaker 1: How do they do that? What are they seeing? What
Speaker 1: are they watching? Cooper wiped it out with a forty
Speaker 1: six yard game two plays later. Yeah, so it became
Speaker 1: a moot point, right that forty six yards would have
Speaker 1: been five yards further down the field. The point was
Speaker 1: it was a precursor to things to come later in
Speaker 1: the game. And by the way, since I wasn't here yesterday,
Speaker 1: the most egregious mistake they made was on the Michael
Speaker 1: Gallop getting mugged by Kevin King on that interception. That
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I mean, they could have called it, they
Speaker 1: could have called past interference, they could have called holding,
Speaker 1: they could have called hands to the face on the
Speaker 1: on that play was unbelievable or illegal contact. And really
Speaker 1: on the TV copy you can't even you can't tell um.
Speaker 1: And that's what the it was. It. I guess it's
Speaker 1: Pereira who was doing the game. Yeah, yeah, he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that should have been a call. Yeah, okay, but even
Speaker 1: on that you couldn't tell for sure whether he was
Speaker 1: five yards down field yet or not on the side
Speaker 1: angle the contact. Did he and start until he was
Speaker 1: five yards downfield? You know, we got a mail back
Speaker 1: question this morning. We didn't use it, but it's from
Speaker 1: a gentleman I think ted in the UK and he
Speaker 1: brought up a good point like should they have it
Speaker 1: where you have to get both your challenges right to
Speaker 1: get a third one back? Is that fair? And he
Speaker 1: said in cricket, they don't. Their challenge system isn't that way.
Speaker 1: And because really what happened was there was a clear mistake.
Speaker 1: Garrett had to throw the flag to get him to
Speaker 1: fix it on the Cooper catch and then now you're
Speaker 1: out of that's a critical challenge that he would have
Speaker 1: won on the gallop thing right there. And why that
Speaker 1: was critical Obviously King intercepts the ball, they're in field
Speaker 1: goal rights. They didn't even have to get a first
Speaker 1: down to kick a field goal and now you and
Speaker 1: I don't think they did. Packers have a seventeen point
Speaker 1: later and then when you come down to the end
Speaker 1: of the game, you're not you know, you're throwing for
Speaker 1: the end zone in a tie game there on the
Speaker 1: last possession of the game. And was Jerry And Jerry
Speaker 1: was asked about the new rules, right, new PI rules
Speaker 1: this morning? Yeah, I mean, go ahead. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: he's in favor of them because he thinks it opened
Speaker 1: up bigger can of worms now because everybody can see
Speaker 1: what's going on, and it's not getting corrected. So if
Speaker 1: the people implementing the system don't do it right, then
Speaker 1: the systems no good. And that's the way. That's what
Speaker 1: happened to. And I've said this before with instant replay.
Speaker 1: When it first started, you know, tex Shram was for it,
Speaker 1: he was for all of it. And then when they
Speaker 1: implemented it, the guys up in the booth wouldn't do
Speaker 1: their job. And Texas point was, there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: the system. It's the people running the system that's screwing
Speaker 1: it up. And we're back in the same boat right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the other I think Jason may have mentioned this
Speaker 1: maybe in this post game or something, when you are
Speaker 1: alluded to it. Anyway, when you uncertain calls, when you
Speaker 1: it magnifies the contact. When you break it down frame
Speaker 1: by frame on a replay like on the Anthony Brown play,
Speaker 1: it's a bang bang play. And when you look at
Speaker 1: at any of them, and we've seen it countless times
Speaker 1: already this season when coaches have challenged on pass interference,
Speaker 1: there is contact there that's being made and they're not
Speaker 1: overturning it. Well, and which but it and the reason
Speaker 1: and I don't and I probably agree with a lot
Speaker 1: of those when they don't overturn them, because it's just
Speaker 1: it's a dental contact and it happens. It gets magnified
Speaker 1: so much when you slow it down frame by frames,
Speaker 1: like in baseball when a runner a base runner is
Speaker 1: sliding past second base and then you and then you
Speaker 1: slow it down on replay. It's a big pet peeve
Speaker 1: of mind in baseball where okay, his hand, his index
Speaker 1: finger came one inch off the bag for a split second,
Speaker 1: but he beat the throw. He's safe, but they call
Speaker 1: him out anyway. Bryan wrote about this, So I said
Speaker 1: it in the press box at the time that one though,
Speaker 1: if you're not even trying to look for the ball,
Speaker 1: you don't turn your head at all. Yeah, they're gonna
Speaker 1: call it at every level. It's not a fall in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Face guarding is not a fall in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And Pereira pointed it out. So if you hit me
Speaker 1: in the back, who I'm chasing you? Is that my fault?
Speaker 1: He ran into the guy catching the ball or trying
Speaker 1: to catch well after the ball hit him, bumped him
Speaker 1: and it was close, but the guy had to stop
Speaker 1: to get the ball. Well, that's not my fault. That's well,
Speaker 1: it's part of the game, Mickey. Well, then they had
Speaker 1: to fix that part of the game. Well, well they won't.
Speaker 1: We've argued with this about this before. Every one of
Speaker 1: these plays happened on the same side of the field
Speaker 1: with the same guy, Scott Edwards, every player Blanco Texas.
Speaker 1: He's got some rabbit. Heres Old Scott. By the way,
Speaker 1: on the listen to talking about Chris Richard yesterday piecing
Speaker 1: together the video on that, it looks like I think
Speaker 1: the for sure that that Edwards was reacting when he
Speaker 1: threw his flag. He reacted immediately after Garrett threw the challenge,
Speaker 1: flaming down. No no, no, he he he. The flag
Speaker 1: was on the ground and they kept going at it.
Speaker 1: And then when he was walking towards Garrett, he threw
Speaker 1: the flag. Jason was looking right out. Okay. But but
Speaker 1: on TV they also showed earlier, they showed a shot
Speaker 1: of Chris Rochard coming out towards the field said something.
Speaker 1: It was that Richard did say something, but that was
Speaker 1: laughter and Chris Rochard was reacting. I think Chris Rochard
Speaker 1: was reacting to the flag has been thrown to hold back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love seeing that. That's the first time I've seen
Speaker 1: that kind of fire out of helling hot you know,
Speaker 1: the other thing on it with Garrett, you know, and
Speaker 1: he gets criticized by so many people for his press
Speaker 1: conferences and robotic, you know, statements and so forth. I
Speaker 1: wonder if showing some fire like that on the sideline,
Speaker 1: if that wins over some of the fans. Who ah,
Speaker 1: I think they still have a problem with I think
Speaker 1: those fans, you know what he cost this team fifteen
Speaker 1: It comes down to winning games like it does that
Speaker 1: Because All or Nothing came out a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and you saw if you watch that show, he's not
Speaker 1: the same many people are watching All or Nothing. I mean,
Speaker 1: you still disagree with that you saw. I mean in
Speaker 1: the grand scheme of things. I mean, when you're talking
Speaker 1: the numbers that you get watching are casual fans who
Speaker 1: are watching on network television when they get ratings up
Speaker 1: in the thirties. The percentage of those people who are
Speaker 1: watching All or Nothing is so low. Now, people that
Speaker 1: listen to talking Cowboys, they're watching everything they can get
Speaker 1: their hands on. As far as the cowboys are concerned,
Speaker 1: I'm talking just casual fans. Yeah, but they're viral clips
Speaker 1: that of him dropping F bombs and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean that you saw, finally like what he can
Speaker 1: really be like behind clothing. Gets criticized so much for
Speaker 1: being the clapper though the s Yeah, it's and it's raw,
Speaker 1: but you know it's gonna come down to whether you
Speaker 1: win games or not. That's when that's when coaches are
Speaker 1: build legacies and are loved or hated. You know, that's
Speaker 1: where it goes. Well, I bet there's no clapping in
Speaker 1: practice this week. Oh they better, you know, they better
Speaker 1: buckled down. I mean, they've they put themselves in a
Speaker 1: bad spot. You know you're down. You lose two NFC games,
Speaker 1: conference games that you know you're dealing with teams that
Speaker 1: are potentially playoff teams. Both teams I think. I think
Speaker 1: the Packers probably win the North and the Saints will
Speaker 1: probably win the U will win the South. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be and so now you're you know you're in you're
Speaker 1: in a bad spot because when you start thinking if
Speaker 1: you can get into the playoffs, now you're you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna have to show up one of those places. You know.
Speaker 1: I though that might be the first two seeds of
Speaker 1: the You know, it depend on what Seattle does. It
Speaker 1: looks like a for real San Francisco. They're unbeaten. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. But the Rams, you think can
Speaker 1: at least be in the mix. By the Rams have
Speaker 1: not looked the same as everybody thinks the Rams have looked.
Speaker 1: You're right, but I still think they've got enough talent
Speaker 1: to be in the mix. By this team. That's my point.
Speaker 1: This team doesn't play well enough. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: good teams in this mix. I'm trying to agree with
Speaker 1: you that there's a lot of good teams that they're
Speaker 1: gonna have attacking you. I'm just saying, Oh, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: adding to your point. There's a lot of good teams
Speaker 1: in the mix here at the end that they've got
Speaker 1: to have to overcome. And by losing two games in
Speaker 1: a row, they had a great opportunity to start out
Speaker 1: four and one or five and oh and they're just
Speaker 1: not there, including in their own division. Yeah, exactly, an
Speaker 1: Eagles team coming up. Ticket still available for that on
Speaker 1: you went back to them. I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's a team that was struggling a little bit and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you could have put some distance
Speaker 1: between yourself and them, and now you're back in the
Speaker 1: same boat. You know, they go to green Bay. They
Speaker 1: got to feel good about themselves. Hey we beat green Bay.
Speaker 1: Dallas got rolled by Green Bay. You know. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's the problem you run into when you go
Speaker 1: out and you lose game. You lost, You lost to
Speaker 1: a team that didn't have Drew Brees. You know, think
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, that's where now you start. You know,
Speaker 1: the football GUIDs don't always hand you gifts. They take
Speaker 1: things away from you at times. But the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, think about what's happened. The second best player
Speaker 1: in the Packers offense doesn't play and you give up
Speaker 1: huge running game to a team that can't run the ball.
Speaker 1: You know, you needed thirteen points to beat the Saints.
Speaker 1: It's all you need and you couldn't get it. Didn't
Speaker 1: get it done. Yeah. By the way, Pat Kerwin had
Speaker 1: a good tweet this morning. Okay, week over a week
Speaker 1: five is over last year. At this moment. After Week five,
Speaker 1: the Colts were one and four, finished ten and six.
Speaker 1: The Texans were two and three. They finished eleven and five.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys were two and three, finished ten and six.
Speaker 1: The Eagles were two and three, finished nine and seven.
Speaker 1: The Seahawks were two and three, they finished ten and six.
Speaker 1: All five of those teams made the playoffs. You've better
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get to kind of get
Speaker 1: that getting better. Then you get better because again, you
Speaker 1: can't go into these games and just give them away
Speaker 1: like that. You can't. You can't have turnovers. You can't
Speaker 1: have mistakes. The one thing that stopped me and everybody's
Speaker 1: you know on this coach, but the coaches and out
Speaker 1: there coaching penalties. He's not out there coaching turnovers. You know,
Speaker 1: he's like trying to put him in position to make plays.
Speaker 1: And you know, when the ball goes ripping down the
Speaker 1: middle of the the field, you gotta go catch it. Even
Speaker 1: though that guy had eleven or twelve catches, He's got
Speaker 1: to catch that football. You know, you got to find
Speaker 1: a way to win these games. You got to find
Speaker 1: a way to you know, at the end of the day, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're ahead of Green Bay, we're ahead of the Saints.
Speaker 1: Where head, you know you're gonna have some games. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you start losing games in Minnesota, lose
Speaker 1: to Detroit, lose to Philadelphia. Okay, then you are what
Speaker 1: you are. You know defensively against the Saints. You gotta
Speaker 1: figure out a way to get them off the field
Speaker 1: in the second half of that game where they get
Speaker 1: turn do something, get a third down stop to get
Speaker 1: off the field where they're not controlling the football for
Speaker 1: nineteen minutes after that game. Absolutely, yeah, okay, we continue
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Speaker 1: don't sho? Yes? I mean you did. Nobody. Nobody enjoys
Speaker 1: reads more than Mickey, especially when they're words that nobody
Speaker 1: even wants to try and pronounce. They're tongue twisters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're tongue twisters almost sure. Oh what I like about
Speaker 1: that's too. If you're watching us, Mickey does his read,
Speaker 1: then the camera will switch to Brian's reactions. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they're already laughing before I screw up it. Just you
Speaker 1: can kind of feel where the thing is gonna go
Speaker 1: a little off the right, like where the current is
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Speaker 1: the side. Oh that's funny, all right. Uh. The last
Speaker 1: few minutes here of Talking Cowboys says, we will turn
Speaker 1: our attention to these New York Jets. Who are the
Speaker 1: big guys that concern you on that Jets defensive front? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well I think that you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: front that's they've used some first round picks, They've used
Speaker 1: some trades, you know, they've signed some guys from unrestricted
Speaker 1: guys you have to worry about Leonard Williams, and he
Speaker 1: plays as their left defensive end. He's number ninety two
Speaker 1: and superactive guys drafted in the same draft as uh,
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. And if you look at those in that
Speaker 1: particular draft, those first round of that of that draft,
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams and Byron Jones have made the most starts
Speaker 1: of anybody in that first round of that rat So
Speaker 1: yeah Williams, Yeah, yeah, Byron Jones and him. You know,
Speaker 1: when you look when you look at what they've meant
Speaker 1: to their team and how they've been able to you know,
Speaker 1: you talk about picks and their ability to play, but
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams is a fine one right there. Steve McClinton is, Ah,
Speaker 1: they got an unrestricted guy from the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's
Speaker 1: going to play as nos and and I keep an
Speaker 1: eye on him only because of some of the issues
Speaker 1: that we've seen with Travis Frederick, uh, you know, two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, mainly against the Saints. See, it'll be a
Speaker 1: really good test for for for Travis dafter debt, depending
Speaker 1: on what happens at right tackle. Uh, you know, let's
Speaker 1: see what's going on there with you know, with Harry Anderson,
Speaker 1: who they got into trade from the Colts. They've got
Speaker 1: some guys that that kind of uh have had that
Speaker 1: ability to rush to play the run. They just haven't
Speaker 1: done a good enough job of it. They haven't had
Speaker 1: enough consistency with their pass rush. Greg Williams is a
Speaker 1: real big blitzer. Oh yeah, so you're gonna get a
Speaker 1: lot of twist stunt up front, is what you're going
Speaker 1: to get. And so I would be a little concerned
Speaker 1: about if you're if you don't feel like you can
Speaker 1: pick up the twist stunt very well, if you've got
Speaker 1: different pieces in there at saint left tackle, at right tackle,
Speaker 1: you know, then that that that's something that I would
Speaker 1: be a little bit more concerned about. In this game,
Speaker 1: he's going to have to bring blitz to blitz pressure
Speaker 1: to get pressure because he can't just sit there and
Speaker 1: rush these guys. He's got to find a way to
Speaker 1: create opportunity for his guys to get home. Now. Isn't
Speaker 1: Anderson the guy that's been hurt. They're hoping he's back
Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, he's been playing. I was watching him
Speaker 1: in the early games. They also got Quinn Williams, one
Speaker 1: of those two guys, and Anderson has been out. He
Speaker 1: had four snaps is all this week, but he had
Speaker 1: played earlier. Yeah. But Quinny Williams, who was the third
Speaker 1: pick in the draft, he was a monster. Yeah. I'm
Speaker 1: saying they've they've used some first round picks to get
Speaker 1: some guys. I can say. I feel like that, you know,
Speaker 1: they need to get Quinn and Williams out there more
Speaker 1: because I feel like he is just really he could
Speaker 1: be very disruptive. You know, he's He's had moments where
Speaker 1: he hasn't looked great, but then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, he plays four or five plays in a
Speaker 1: row and he's like, Okay, now that's the Quinn Williams
Speaker 1: I understand from Alabama. Uh, you know that that's you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see, We'll see how it plays. I love Jamal
Speaker 1: Adams not because he's an LSU guy, but I love
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams because I think he's the strong safety or
Speaker 1: free safety. But he can cover. If you watch him play,
Speaker 1: he could cover your back, he could cover your tight end.
Speaker 1: He plays all over the field. You could tell that
Speaker 1: teams don't go his direction when they when they throw
Speaker 1: the football or run the football for that matter. Because
Speaker 1: he's such a physical player, he creates opportunities for them.
Speaker 1: Tremaine Johnson is a cornerback. Of the of two cornerbacks
Speaker 1: they had him Daryl Roberts, I would say that Tremaine Johnson,
Speaker 1: who they got from the Rams, is probably the better
Speaker 1: of the two. So let's see if the if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys will go away from him it It seems like
Speaker 1: the way that Maury Cooper played last week against Alexander
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. The week before he had problems, but man,
Speaker 1: I thought Alexander was just as good a cornerback is
Speaker 1: what Lattimore was, and and then you know he got
Speaker 1: lit up last week. So maybe it won't matter as
Speaker 1: far as whoever Cooper's running routes against. But it's a defense,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's got some It's got some first
Speaker 1: round guys, some guys, some young guys that are trying
Speaker 1: to you know, trying to find their way right now
Speaker 1: with deceptions. Say if Leonard Williams, he's an older guy
Speaker 1: but still a really really good player for them, do
Speaker 1: they move him around? Williams do because he's listed at
Speaker 1: left defensive end I went back and watched the first
Speaker 1: game Buffalo game, just to get a feel for Darnald
Speaker 1: on offense, and his pressure off the right edge got
Speaker 1: them a pick six, Yeah, against Buffalo. And when you
Speaker 1: think about how much trouble they've had manufacturing offense, I mean,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys turning the ball over, that's something they've
Speaker 1: just got to be mindful of him. He's I circled
Speaker 1: him first, big time rusher for them. Well, they're their
Speaker 1: defense in yards, it's thirteen, so it's average. They haven't
Speaker 1: been bad, they've just been horrible on offense. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: well thirty second in like twelve of nineteen offensive cada.
Speaker 1: A lot has to do with the quarterback play for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he watched. You know, they give up like we had.
Speaker 1: We saw that they give up sacks, they give up pressure.
Speaker 1: When when they were throwing the film, it was like
Speaker 1: watching when Brad Johnson used to play out how the
Speaker 1: ball goes sideways all the time. It goes to the flat,
Speaker 1: it goes to the flat, it goes underneath, it goes
Speaker 1: to the flat, checkdowns, checkdowns, that's you know, they try
Speaker 1: and throw screens. They try, and you know they've got
Speaker 1: a couple of players this. They know they've got Jamison
Speaker 1: Crowder on their offense. You know, Jameson Crowder has kind
Speaker 1: of been a pain in the rear for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: over the years his ability. And then they Braxton Barrios
Speaker 1: who they got on waivers from the from the New
Speaker 1: England Patriots. He's number ten. Kid, has the ability to
Speaker 1: make some catches down. He's kind of a slot player
Speaker 1: underneath and stuff to Marius Thomas. It really, you know,
Speaker 1: hasn't really done much. It's first time that he did
Speaker 1: anything was against Philadelphia this past sun. Really all he's
Speaker 1: done so Robbie Anderson, Yeah, Robbie Anderson. I mean he
Speaker 1: can make some plays down the field. But they just
Speaker 1: don't throw the ball well enough, and they don't get
Speaker 1: protection and don't run the ball well enough because they
Speaker 1: don't block anybody up front. They struggle with that now
Speaker 1: say nothing at tied end. Yeah, and they keep the well,
Speaker 1: they keep the tight ends in because they try and
Speaker 1: help the pass protection and it doesn't always work. Can
Speaker 1: the Cowboys get off to a better start because they're
Speaker 1: Brian mentioned earlier, they're they're moving the ball with chunks yardage,
Speaker 1: but they're getting outscored overall the season. I think in
Speaker 1: the first last four games in the first quarter. I
Speaker 1: saw this stat I think from the CBS broadcast with
Speaker 1: the Jets last week. They've gone twenty eight games straight
Speaker 1: without opening drive touchdown. Yeah, they just they can't. They
Speaker 1: have not been able to manufacture points. Maybe Donald helps
Speaker 1: you watch him, He's really elusive. He can make throws,
Speaker 1: he can improvise a little, a little like Rogers, not
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Um. But yeah, they've got cowboys. Need to
Speaker 1: just finish these drives because we can talk about slow starts,
Speaker 1: but they're putting themselves in position to do that. Turnovers
Speaker 1: just killing them. Right now, They've only scored thirty nine
Speaker 1: points in four games. That's not even ten points a game, right, Yea.
Speaker 1: They have not led since the opener against Buffalo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: only some of those. I think some of those those
Speaker 1: thirty nine points were either returns or defensive points. Maybe. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they had I saw it because I saw something somebody
Speaker 1: wrote that they had seventeen points in sixteen quarters on offense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of it has to get in the quarterback.
Speaker 1: They just have not been able to figure that out.
Speaker 1: Did Simeon get hurt preseason, No against the between the
Speaker 1: broke his ankle neck was that was that the opener
Speaker 1: second second game because he already had Mino by then, right, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and up front on their offensive line, they're starting
Speaker 1: a third round rookie at tackle and then two other
Speaker 1: interior guys, Ryan Khalil and Alex Lewis, were signed in August.
Speaker 1: They weren't even with the team during the offseason, and
Speaker 1: they got Kelvin Beacham ye out of Semu and Mahya Texas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have some problems in this game. Kelvin Beacham
Speaker 1: left tackle, he's at left tackle. Yeah, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: some problems in this and you know when you watch him, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Robert Quinn will be able to attack him
Speaker 1: pretty well in this football game. Now again, they will
Speaker 1: see if they the Jets will take their two tight ends,
Speaker 1: they'll get in twelve personnel and they'll put those guys
Speaker 1: over there and they're so they're gonna make these guys
Speaker 1: have to rush. Why last week we saw that the
Speaker 1: Packers brought wide receivers in like the Rams did and
Speaker 1: to help on help with blocking. So you know, teams
Speaker 1: can maybe say, Okay, maybe we can line some guys
Speaker 1: up in tight formations, and that's kind of their way
Speaker 1: of doubling both those guys they're all, they can double them.
Speaker 1: That means those guys in the middle have to do
Speaker 1: something which we have not seen them. Last week they
Speaker 1: weren't very good. We'll see if they do better this week.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see a lot of dump ops to lay
Speaker 1: Beyon probably will m yea. All right, that doesn't for
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